UPDATE. I knew I read it somewhere, so I got out my Tannus installation guide and on page 3 under Tips For Installing Tannus Armour it states (It is common for the Amour to compress over time. It still is providing shock absorption and puncture resistance but will perform better when properly maintained. To minimize compression deflate the tires while not use. This allows the Armour compound to rebound to provide ideal performance.) So does that mean when your not riding your bike, your suppose to let the air out of the tires? I'm sorry but that's not happening. I don't know how everyone else feels, but if I would have known that earlier, I would not have purchased the Armours.
Two things: 20lb pressure is high for a 4" fat tire bike with most tires. I suspect that a smaller tube to compensate for the tannus armor space taken in the tube would NOT push the armor nearly flat. The combination of both = these results.
Nope. I did a similar setup, and put in smaller tubes, as suggested by Tannus. The only effect that had was I had to add air in my tires a lot for a few weeks, as the Armor compressed and so the tube's psi dropped because of the extra space. Then, a month-in when the Armor was thin, my smaller tubes were stretched beyond spec, and were thus thinner & weaker, Then, the interior rubbing motion discussed in this video wore a friction hole in the thin tube.
@@DerekKerton Well there was so much confusion about this a year ago, that I ended up shopping for the best rec'd size tubes I could find, then I put Flat Out in when I put Origin 8 Supercells to replace the stock knobbies. Great results! Super quiet, and I have NOT had a puncture problem in the 4k miles since then. YMMV or course, but that's my experience.
I'm fine with slime. Shake it up really well. By winter, I'll be getting motorcycle tires, and new tubes with slime. I used the liners on my other ebike. It works OK.
Run these Tanus liners on all our 26" rim bikes including a pair of 1500w powered bikes for just over 3 years now and zero problems (run Schwalbe tires on all the rims). There are a few things you must do though, you must make sure the the hole where the valve goes through the rim is not sharp (use a drill bit or sand paper to remove any lip in your rim), use a good quality thick wide spoke liner tape, cut down the Tanus liner wall to the specified height as required by the width of your tire (dont just shove the liner in the tire), and the big thing to stop tire spinning is to use a normal size tube for your tire and NOT down size the tube as Tanus suggests! Pump to about 25psi and as the foam compresses a bit (which it will) inflate to about 28/30psi to compensate, the normal size tube will stop the rotation by gripping the side of the liner tightly. When I have taken a tire off to change, the liner has been at about 60% its original thickness after 2 years, which I would consider fine. Also no flat spots that I can feel when riding if its stood up for several months in one position.
My tubes keep tearing on the valve for some reason, is it just because the rim could be rough at the hole? And are your tannus liners also flattened or have they held up after 3 years?
@@Ra-zor I see thanks. As far as my knowledge goes my rimtape budges abit, but only if I try to turn the tire with everything mounted and the tube slightly inflated, otherwise it doesn't really move. And I'd say my Continental RoadSpeed's are solid tires with the requirments you mentioned. And thanks for your liner report, I might get myself a set to stop wasting innertubes (since 50% of them breaking are caused by some leaks and not the valve issue).
I just had tannus amour inserts installed on the wheels of my electric speedbike and after one ride I can't help but feel that there is a loss of performance and speed. There is a slight wobble in the rear wheel and I now use up more battery than I did without the inserts. I think I'm probably going to have them removed.
I've been running Tannus on a 4x26in Juiced RipCurrent S. No flats for 3 years, 4000+ miles with Vee Zig Zags. My original Kenda had a flat in 500mi, a tree branch. Now, I have no doubt that foam gets thinner after a while, but I'm not seeing it. Maybe less pressure on the larger tire than the smaller one you have. Anyway, nice review. Thanks.
Wow! I never would have thought that they would essentially flatten out, but if I think about it I guess I don't know why I didn't think that would happen haha. I mean all-foam compresses eventually right, and especially with the weight of an Ebike plus a rider, I would imagine it probably doesn't take that long. I think I heard they recommend that you deflate your tire after every ride and then pump back up before you ride but...come on... that is such an inconvenience. Thank you for showing!
No, not every foam compresses. Closed-cell foam in an airtight medium retains air in bubbles, and bounces back retaining thickness. If the air in bubbles can seep out, it'll compress. These compress in few weeks. I had them. Mine measured 4mm where it was 15mm when new. Not worth the $ and effort.
@@HeyChief666 Recommend them? I think they are a full-on dishonest scam, and I'd like to warn everybody away from this junk! For me, I removed them and went back to putting slime (or similar product) in my tubes.
It's worse! Your weight and riding them don't even matter. It's the pressure you pump into your inner tube that squeezes them down to thin protection. It happens 24/7 as long as you have pressure in your tube - which is why they recommend letting the air out of your tires (in the fine print only), as you noticed, which is a terrible inconvenience.
Maybe hit it with some rubberizing spray it keep it from slipping? Would likely resolve the slipping, the compression I think is a known issue unfortunately. Foams compress it’s just a fact. Maybe someone will come along with a better solution
These things will go paper thin if you don't deflate them periodically . Liners work best so far but I am giving tubeless a try right now to see what I like best. So far going good but there is maintenance with tubeless. Like checking the sealant.
I check every 3 to 4 months and a little bit. I use that "Orange Seal Endurance Sealant" this stuff works really good. I have not got a flat yet and have seen a little bit of the sealant dried in a pinhole when I did get a puncture and didn't even know it.
i have a 20x4.0 rim but can a 20x3.0 innertube fit and work for a 20x4.0 ? Lets say if i don"t have a 20x4.0 innertube can a 20x3.0 be a substitute ? My next question is what if i have 20x4.0 inserts can a 20x3.0 innertube fit inside a 20x4.0 inserts ? if so what will be the psi to fill the tire up ?
I wonder if it is too much weight? I mean, the combo of a rider and this heavy bike.....or is it the material? I have 700 x 23 Tannus solids on my road bike and the foam has not yet 'shrunk'. It does make the bike about 1 to 2 mph slower.
I feel like it is cause you put extra +300 per wheel. When I tried tpu inner tubes instead of butyl ones, it felt like a different bike and I was like wow (That is around +140 grams per wheel.)
Rad runners were sold with notoriously defective inner tubes. You can contact rad, or just fix it yourself. Lots of people upgrade their tubes AND tires to get thicker rubber. Anyway, I also had Tannus in my Rad mini, and confirm what this video shows. They get 4mm thin after a month of use. Their marketing is BS.
@@HeyChief666 I took them out, so I can't say. I suppose they would have offered 4 mm of protection, or 3 or 2 depending on how thin the eventually get.
Could be the geometry of the tire that's causing the slip of the liner (along with having higher torque on rear hub from the e-bike). I've heard ppl using talcum or baby powder to keep the fiction down in tannus liners. The slipping issue may be less likely in a more narrow tire. Maybe 2.5 and down.
When are they going to come up with better deflection inserts? Foam will just absorb thorns and prickly things, as aposed to the thick silica/plastic liners which dont absorb, more along the lines deflect the shrapnal.
Thanks for the info. I haven’t installed mine yet but now I’m concerned. Tannus recommends you size down your tubes. Did you use smaller tubes or did you reuse the tubes you originally had in?
I used the sized tubes that they recommended. They checked it out and sent me a new set with a "new compound" which is literally the same exact thing 🙄 Anybody want to buy a brand new set?
@Thom Thumb I put about 500 city miles on my e-bike and so far so good. Much easier to install than Mr. Tuffy’s which I have on all my non-electric bikes. My advice is to make sure you install properly, such as having the valve aligned with the hub and to not put too much pressure in the tires.
If you dent up (not crack) the rim a bit inward by riding up stairs with low pressure, wouldn't it make it harder for the tire/tube to rotate independent of the rim?
Why would you do that? But probably not. The tube has the most surface area/friction when the rim is as it should be. Deforming the rim would likely reduce that surface area, reducing friction. There are better ways to tweak your wheel than damaging it.
@@mousermind I didn't intentionally do it. I was running too low of a tire press going up stairs for the first time and had a pinch flat that I saw when on the digital TPMS 5 PSI on the rear from 20+. It's less issues. It's like running with the screw plate thing dirt bikes have to prevent the rim from moving. The less issues the better. You can end up super ultra stranded in the middle of no where.
Interesting findings, thank you. I got an ebike with 20"×3" tires, & after I got a flat on a very crunchy & spikey offroad trail, I started looking at options. I went with the puncture resistant liner, and layered the old tube in the new one, and also added latex liquid sealant, & I feel that is pretty good. I saw these & seems awesome but way too expensive, especially now that I see these results. I may still do the affordable verison and get pipe insulation from a hardware store, I wonder if it will flatten like the Tannus. At any rate, I added a small air pump to the tool bag, & would probably add spare tubes & sealant to the bag if I were to take it to work, but that's a stretch from here so probably not unless last resort. I use it mostly for fun in the parks, fishing etc.
Thanks for the video. I was wondering about Tannus Armor - specifically why not just get a heavier/thicker carcass tire instead of the armor? But you just gave me a better reason to avoid the "Armor".
Calisse, osti! I had the exact same two problems. Shrinking protection, and interior movement wearing out a tube. I ran mine at 25 psi in 3" x 20" tires on a Rad Mini bike. I got flats, so I ripped them out angrily, and noticed how thick they are. I cut it and put a caliper on it, and measured exactly 4mm. That may be better than nothing, but the marketing says 15mm, and the advertising pictures illustrate that 15mm thickness and show a nail that can't reach your tube. But that is simply NOT what you get after a month of use. I spent money on 4 of these, and smaller tubes to go with them, and have since pulled them out, and am back to just running slime in my tires. FALSE ADVERTISING. WASTE OF MONEY!
I have been very skeptical about these liners. I just spoke with someone else and they said that the bike has to be elevated off the ground when not in use. SAY WHAT? No thanks. I'll stick with my Mr. Tuffy and Flatout redundancy. I just pulled a screw out of my back tire. It also pierced the Mr. Tuffy, but the FlatOut had it sealed in just seconds.
@Thom Thumb Read on trash mouth. Try to be an adult and a civilized human being. Or, is that asking too much? There are plenty of others in the comments here that have had issues with this product. I'm happy and thankful that you have trust and faith in them. Good for you! Now settle down, and remember that others are also entitled to an opinion, and don't think of themselves as gods, small "g" included for emphasis purposes. Urban Cargo Bikes 3 months ago I believe you. And, let me be honest, you'd be hard pressed to find someone more hopeful and with more faith in what Tannus is trying to accomplish in our industry. They're visionary really. It's just not a product that works with our 3 bike companies that we run. We need a product that can be used daily and for hours at a time, low maintenance, and that works most of the time. We've spoken with the company and we've come to the agreement that the project is still in need of research and development.
@Thom Thumb Thom my friend, it is the manufacturer that instructs to partially deflate in between rides to minimize the constant pressure on the compressible foam, elevating and removing weight of bike falls in line with that though not as effective as removing air per manufacturer instruction so this is not a suggestion by stupid people but recommendation of the manufacturer. Because you have not gotten a flat while these have been installed does not prove that the foam material has not seriously compressed over time and is no longer rebounding to original thickness. I have not gotten a flat with equivalent mileage and only have Tuffy liners but that does not prove that Tuffy is as good as Tannus nor does it prove that Tannus is as good as Tuffy. Some folks are just lucky...until the luck runs out. The permanent compression and reduction of the thickness of the foam material from Tannus is a real thing and is actually proven to be an issue by those who have removed it after months of use and seen it with their own eyes.
@Thom Thumb if compression means compressed when you are riding the tire & therefore the liner are compressed. If removing pressure when not in use is the solution ......then the math speaks for itself, & that is a workaround not a solution btw
I have a set of tannus armour on my electric mountain bike, but after 2k miles I had an inner tube burst with 35lbs of pressure in it (the tire says 50psi but with the tannus in there it is a guessing game for pressure but the tannus was squeazed flat maybe eventually it would puff up again? I have a new recumbent trike and I think I am ordering mr tuffy's and 3 schwalbe marathon plus's (which is about the same price and they are known to hold up for several thousand miles
Now.. I’m convinced Tannus Armour insert is a Scam!! Hopefully there’s a company out there who make this kind of protection in synthetic rubber. Now that would changed the game!
Thanks for testing the lack of durability of Tannus "armour". Mounting tires on rims is a pain; glad to have you do it. Speaking of which, I noticed the painful gash on your wrist. What a price to pay for your audience! Keep that clean and bandaged to minimize scarring. Retired in Sacto.
Have you tried the huntsman vs the speedsters? It's the same company, and I'm wondeing which to get. The huntsman look more rugged and are 1 lbs heaviers then the speedsters. I'm wondering how the extra weight woudl affect the acceleration and top speeds? Also wondeing how the offroading and roie noie would be compared between the two tires.
Considering they are just some sort of rubber they cost a lot. I had imagined they wouldn't go flat like that or they would lose like %20 max which is acceptable. But yeah, they are worthless cause don't forget that they add crazy weight to your tires.
I brought 2 of these this year installed them so i could ride to work, suffered the same issue on both within a week or so of each other, now i am scared of going to work on my bike because i was over a hour late because i had to walk with the bike.... and walk home the next day
Holy Crap, I think we just need Tires that are made of Kevlar amd don't allow anything through it.. Thanks for this .... Just FYI, so many riders love these . ??
@Thom Thumb and tannis uses shillbots too! because the shillbotrs can lie all they want and tannis is not held liable for the obvious misrepresentation of their product
@@HeyChief666 It's been 2 years. Since that time I decided to just use tougher tires like Schwalbe Magic Mary with enduro casing. As extra I using also thicker tubes, DH version from Schwalbe as well. All you need is to keep proper tire pressure. For lighter terrain I have 20 psi front and 22 rear. For more rocky terrain 22 and 24 psi.
@@HeyChief666 On my ebike, I didn't care about the extra weight. But I did find I got more "wear" flats on my inner tubes. They rubbed in spots and developed leaks. Tube repairs were much harder to perform than usual, because my tires are a tight fit to the rims, and the armor was an extra hassle. But that isn't something I can measure scientifically, so that's not the basis of my complaints about Tannus. My measured, scientific complaint is that in a few months they squeezed to only 4mm thick. I measured it with a caliper.
Do they make Tannus Tires for 20" 4.0.If so where to get them what website and what's the name of the Tannus Tire.A Tannus Tire is something that never gets a flat ?
did you contact Tannus? same thing happened to me after 50 miles ran over a 4 inch nail of course nothing will stop that but the foam insert was so flattened my tire was rolling off the rim after 10 feet of blowout (HyperScrambler 20x4 inch wheel) i bought these for run flat capability and armor...2 rides and insert is cardboard thin, don't even think of riding flat, it's all tire and rim...very disappointed, like $170 disappointed calling Tannus tomorrow for refund
Yep. Likely didn't read the instructions stating to use a lower pressure. Only thing which would've caused that is through over inflation and/or not using the recommended size smaller inner tubes.
The guy came back and explained that he did use the smaller tube they recommended, as per his own comments. Unfortunately, unless we go to his house, we can't test his air pressure, so accusing him of using it wrong is sort of like saying, "Most survive falling down the stairs, so it must be a user error. If he fell down the stairs in a more safe way, he would be fine." If they sent him a replacement for a nearly $100 product, that says they admit they occasionally have defective merchandise, to me. He's also not the only one I've seen talk about these going flat after some months. See my early comment about how having to deflate your tires all the time is ridiculous. If you need to nurse your tires to use this product, it's only a very special set of individuals who would be happy nursing their tires like that. All of that deflating and inflating takes time, and at that point it's more time than having a flat and fixing it on the road would waste.
Yes, but you'd have to be looney to think I'm going to do that every day, 7 days a week, 12 months a year. Tannus said to try it before issuing a replacement of the their "new and improved compound". I did. Even after 2 months they never regained shape. No thanks Tannus!
@@urbancargobikes4930 Thanks for heads up! Wife & I recently got ebikes. Already had 2 flat tires in a couple months. I think I’m just going to try the slime stuff instead of getting another Tannus bundle again. Take care 👍
@Thom Thumb I went with Tannus instead of the slime & haven’t gotten a flat since…(but we were getting flats due to lots of small thorns; so we also don’t ride in the dirt anymore) :S
I don't see those inserts as a viable option for torquey e-bikes. More or less for analog mountain bikes and cruisers with a larger tire diameter. I do think it is a pricey little product.
Nobody pointed out his cut on the wrist? I wondered what it was from lol mysterious bike accident, power tools, skating idk maybe parkour or just working with stubborn bike parts
Hi *Urban Cargo Bikes.* Were you able to reach out to us about the tire insert compressing? There could have been a bad batch? Here is some more information on compression: The armour will compress some after it’s installed depending on the pressure of the tire. The higher the psi the more condensed the Armour will become. If you wish to keep the Armour as thick as possible then maintain a lower psi. You may also deflate your tire if you’re not going to be riding for a longer period. This allows the Armour to rebound back to its original size.
@@NocnyGreg3x6 Fat-tired e-bikes shouldn't run too low (under 10psi) as this may not offer enough support or give the comfort you're accustomed to. E-BIKES can run at normal tire PSI.
@@NocnyGreg3x6 .. I run my 26x4 at 16psi rear and 10psi front as i run on smoothish dyke roads/trails .. i like having as much tire on the road as possible for greater traction on gravel.
@ no, I’m waiting for a flat then I was going to try but I have 4 inch tires and according to Tannus I’m supposed to use smaller 3 inch tires with them
Their 20" line is a more recent addition to the tannus products. This doesn't happen on a 26"+ wheel. The 4" width could also be the issue🤔 It's also possible that your valve stem got damaged and finished off by other means. Maybe one too many wheelies🙃. Give it another shot to see if it happens again at least
Tannus adds weight, hassle and slows you down AND they are expensive. Not worth it. I have gone tubeless on all of my bikes for thousands of miles and I have only had 1 flat. While riding the Tour de Houston ON the streets, my rear tire took a 3 1/2" nail!!! I fixed it in a couple minutes with my own home-made remedy and the tire has held air for 6 months!!!! Because I was tubeless I didn't have to remove a tube or tire, all I did was put a little Gorilla Glue over the hole, then stuck the tip of a sticky tubeless plug over the hole, then I put more Gorilla glue over it and 6 months later, the tire holds air like a champ. I have bombed over roots, dirt and gravel without problems. This is much cheaper and much easier than Tannus liners.
hi did you use the suggested smaller tube inside or did you use the tube that came with the bike? the facrtory recommends using a smaller tube and im just trying to figure out how that happened, you should use the warranty and get your money back.
Leave the bike in the sun and drop the air pressure when not riding? Seriously? Then why did they send replacements? They didn't work in the first place or when following the direction.
I believe you. And, let me be honest, you'd be hard pressed to find someone more hopeful and with more faith in what Tannus is trying to accomplish in our industry. They're visionary really. It's just not a product that works with our 3 bike companies that we run. We need a product that can be used daily and for hours at a time, low maintenance, and that works most of the time. We've spoken with the company and we've come to the agreement that the project is still in need of research and development. Looking forward to the future!
@@urbancargobikes4930 ahhh that makes more sense. The maintenance thing definitely puts them in an enthusiast/hobbyist space rather than average bike consumer.
I could not fit mine on my 26 inch 2.1 width mtb tyres even with a narrower inner tube. I have to go down a tube size since the thickness of the tannus armour changes the circumference inside the tyres. Arrghhh...
Thank you for your review. I’ve read the other comments, and if all that is required in order for “this” product to work than it is not worth it. I’d rather run the risk of getting a flat which was still there anyway, and there are if not as good potentially better options out there like solid tires that are on e scooters which Warri 100% of the time.
Like I've got the issue, either get a new set of tires because my rear's got at least two holes in it from a thorn and a glass shard. Or get the liners, reuse the curret tires (they got almost 2700km on, and can probably last another 2700km) 🤔
@Thom Thumb Not true bud. Look at the instructions and their website. I have a set and are happy with them for touring but not for commuting. Advantages and disadvantages to using them in my experience. I'm not sure why you would write what you did - it's inaccurate at best.
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Same thing happened to me, Tannus is over-hyped trash. I finally got a roofing nail puncture, they certainly don't "run flat" as promised and the worthless mash of very tight fitting foam rubber inside the tire make roadside repair/replacement of the inner tube nearly impossible. Thanks Tannus!
Valve stem failure: It is NOT the Tannus Armor. It is your rim. Fat tire rims have a hole drilled for the valve stem that is awful! It typically has burs/sharp edges left from the drilling process and only works for METAL valve stems (NOT RUBBER). If you are using inner tubes with rubber valve stems, you have to drill them oversize and install plastic or rubber gourmets so the valves stems don't get cut/deflated/and sheared off. DO NOT BLAME Tannus!
The item failed you because you failed to maintain the item. Tannus instructions do say that you should periodically deflate the tires substantially when not in use, in order to allow the product to regain and maintain its form. Anyway, there are other things to use if you don't like Tannus, but it is certainly not a scam, simply because you failed to take care of it.
Tannus recommends that you use the appropriate inner tube size... did you use their chart to use the appropriate inner tube... they recommend a smaller size tube and lower air pressure... to make up for the lesser space that the Tannus liner is taking up... It sounds like you used the wrong size tube and over filled the air.... which in turn squashed the liner.... and please the next time put a band aid on... it was eating when I saw that gash on your wrist... Lincoln Mann...
very stupid. Try to take the smallest soul you can find. In the free space, inflate it to a diameter of 100 mm and say the measured pressure ... 0.001? Physics, thinking.
@@Jurawood I think i will keep my soul, thats in regards to your reply read before you send... other than that the smaller inner tube and recommended tire pressure works. 326 miles and no problems. I live in Maine, there is all kinds of shit on the side of the road when the snow melts... I have had no problems so far this year. and flats are usually a problem at the first sign of spring... so far so good
Scam. "Simply release pressure every ride, leave them in the sun occasionally, and make sure they get time under a full moon on Monday." It's a tire insert that doesn't protect the tube. My suggestion to Tannus was, either the mid-section needs denser foam, and/or you need to add an integrated liner. Because, especially on wider tires (those same sized listed as non-compatible for run-flat, by the way " *Does not apply to the following sizes: 20x3.0-4.0, 20x4.1-4.8, and 26x4.0-4.8."), these simply do not work.
@@urbancargobikes4930 yeah, their reply to me just now was, "The Armour will compress, which is a actually good thing and helps the material become denser and offers even better flat protection." Yet, the promo photos show this amazing space barrier that proctects the tube. They should add denser foam to these wider Tannus products to maintain the space. What's worse, everything else they suggested was already checked. Monthly (blah blah blah) - these were installed 17 days ago Sunshine - yep, the bike is in direct sunlight 8 hours a day when I commute Heat - oh yeah, it's 90-100F here everyday Then they suggested, and I kid you not: "If someone's Armour is really compressed and they are wanting to get as much thickness out of it as possible for longer, take the Armour out completely and pop it in direct, hot sunlight." Yeahhhh, that's exactly what I want to do every couple weeks on a fat tire ebike.
They offered me a refund, after telling me I am wrong. I am going to test their regimen claim instead. I still have one unused unit as reference. Let's put their suggestions they've commited to writing to the test.
Told me the same thing. I so so wish these would actually work but they're just cheap foam junk. I have faith they or someone else will figure it out eventually.
@@urbancargobikes4930 latest reply from Tannus. No date of manufacture I can find. I assume I have the latest compound. Have been deflating/inflating twice a day around my daily commute. "As far as some reviews on the compression, we were aware of this and did an update on the compound earlier this year that has reduced compression. As far as technology, we have tested a compound that doesn't compress at all, but the ride is terrible. So, it is that fine line of finding something that resists compression and also rides nicely. The current compound has been our best yet. The material is similar to that of high end running shoe soles. This is what makes it light, resist puncture, and resist compression." My testing on compression will take place this Sunday. In my reply to the above, I pointed out your findings to them as well as mine. Also, that the 15mm of 'protection' they promote isn't even valid before airing up (unless they included the manufactruing ridge in the center). I also reiterated that the issues appear to be on units that are not run-flat compatible. The width seems to be a key factor here, and why some users sing Tannus praises while others find nothing but fail. The insert most likely works on narrow, super low pressure applications used offroad.
Assuming you changed out the original inner tubes for the smaller size recommended by Tannus and didn't inflate them beyond their adjusted pressure requirements which probably caused your valve stem to tear); it states quite clearly on the retail packaging to deflate the tyres when not in use and this will allow the compound to rebound to its former shape. It also states that you can accelerate the rebound process by leaving them in a warm area or further still in a hot, steamy environment. You wasted a lot of people's time and slandered a decent product for the sake of not reading the information provided to you.
@@GreenLegendRan Obviously (to most), they refer to off-season storage not just overnight; nobody would be using these if that was a fundamental requirement.
Hmmm ... Those are Speedster Tires and they have over Ride technology for puncture resistance. Personally I don't think you want or need to use Tannus Armor with such tires. Next thing to think about is the Tube itself ... after all they do go bad ... I doubt very much that it happen the way you think it happened ... sorry TD! It appears you didn't follow directions ... I did not want to deflate and inflate tires or having to guess at when to, so I decided to go with Flatout myself for now. But since I have a bad back I don't think I need an off road tire so I'm looking for something similar to the Speedster tires ... less noise and smoother ride.
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UPDATE. I knew I read it somewhere, so I got out my Tannus installation guide and on page 3 under Tips For Installing Tannus Armour it states (It is common for the Amour to compress over time. It still is providing shock absorption and puncture resistance but will perform better when properly maintained. To minimize compression deflate the tires while not use. This allows the Armour compound to rebound to provide ideal performance.) So does that mean when your not riding your bike, your suppose to let the air out of the tires? I'm sorry but that's not happening. I don't know how everyone else feels, but if I would have known that earlier, I would not have purchased the Armours.
Yup, that's what it means. I hear you. You're not alone!
Once per month is all that is needed for their shape to rebound. Also, the newer compound is amazing, I love them!
*THIS*
I'm fairly certain deflating/airing up a tire on occasion is not near the inconvenience of changing a flat. You sound lazy, just saying...
@@tokejones9278 if I could upvote this more than once I would….
Two things: 20lb pressure is high for a 4" fat tire bike with most tires. I suspect that a smaller tube to compensate for the tannus armor space taken in the tube would NOT push the armor nearly flat. The combination of both = these results.
20 psi is stamped on my 20 x 4 inch tires. I got 3 flats in one month, even with Tannus liners. I'm just going to run sealant from now on.
@@Mark-qv4bnhow is the sealant doing? I run with slime.
Nope. I did a similar setup, and put in smaller tubes, as suggested by Tannus. The only effect that had was I had to add air in my tires a lot for a few weeks, as the Armor compressed and so the tube's psi dropped because of the extra space. Then, a month-in when the Armor was thin, my smaller tubes were stretched beyond spec, and were thus thinner & weaker, Then, the interior rubbing motion discussed in this video wore a friction hole in the thin tube.
@@DerekKerton Well there was so much confusion about this a year ago, that I ended up shopping for the best rec'd size tubes I could find, then I put Flat Out in when I put Origin 8 Supercells to replace the stock knobbies. Great results! Super quiet, and I have NOT had a puncture problem in the 4k miles since then.
YMMV or course, but that's my experience.
I'm fine with slime. Shake it up really well. By winter, I'll be getting motorcycle tires, and new tubes with slime. I used the liners on my other ebike. It works OK.
Run these Tanus liners on all our 26" rim bikes including a pair of 1500w powered bikes for just over 3 years now and zero problems (run Schwalbe tires on all the rims). There are a few things you must do though, you must make sure the the hole where the valve goes through the rim is not sharp (use a drill bit or sand paper to remove any lip in your rim), use a good quality thick wide spoke liner tape, cut down the Tanus liner wall to the specified height as required by the width of your tire (dont just shove the liner in the tire), and the big thing to stop tire spinning is to use a normal size tube for your tire and NOT down size the tube as Tanus suggests! Pump to about 25psi and as the foam compresses a bit (which it will) inflate to about 28/30psi to compensate, the normal size tube will stop the rotation by gripping the side of the liner tightly. When I have taken a tire off to change, the liner has been at about 60% its original thickness after 2 years, which I would consider fine. Also no flat spots that I can feel when riding if its stood up for several months in one position.
My tubes keep tearing on the valve for some reason, is it just because the rim could be rough at the hole?
And are your tannus liners also flattened or have they held up after 3 years?
@@Ra-zor I see thanks.
As far as my knowledge goes my rimtape budges abit, but only if I try to turn the tire with everything mounted and the tube slightly inflated, otherwise it doesn't really move. And I'd say my Continental RoadSpeed's are solid tires with the requirments you mentioned.
And thanks for your liner report, I might get myself a set to stop wasting innertubes (since 50% of them breaking are caused by some leaks and not the valve issue).
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm glad i see this video. I almost buy this product but decided to buy Mr.Tuffy instead. I will install it sometime this week.
I just had tannus amour inserts installed on the wheels of my electric speedbike and after one ride I can't help but feel that there is a loss of performance and speed. There is a slight wobble in the rear wheel and I now use up more battery than I did without the inserts. I think I'm probably going to have them removed.
Any update on this.. ?? What did Tannus say when you called them??
Tannus Armor - a scam??? Absolutely!!!
I've been running Tannus on a 4x26in Juiced RipCurrent S. No flats for 3 years, 4000+ miles with Vee Zig Zags. My original Kenda had a flat in 500mi, a tree branch. Now, I have no doubt that foam gets thinner after a while, but I'm not seeing it. Maybe less pressure on the larger tire than the smaller one you have. Anyway, nice review. Thanks.
Still getting these, but glad you pointed out the issue. Will definitely deflate every so often.
*inflate
agreed
Wow! I never would have thought that they would essentially flatten out, but if I think about it I guess I don't know why I didn't think that would happen haha. I mean all-foam compresses eventually right, and especially with the weight of an Ebike plus a rider, I would imagine it probably doesn't take that long. I think I heard they recommend that you deflate your tire after every ride and then pump back up before you ride but...come on... that is such an inconvenience. Thank you for showing!
No, not every foam compresses. Closed-cell foam in an airtight medium retains air in bubbles, and bounces back retaining thickness. If the air in bubbles can seep out, it'll compress. These compress in few weeks. I had them. Mine measured 4mm where it was 15mm when new. Not worth the $ and effort.
@@DerekKerton You wouldn't recommend them right?
What would you recommend instead?
@@HeyChief666 Recommend them? I think they are a full-on dishonest scam, and I'd like to warn everybody away from this junk! For me, I removed them and went back to putting slime (or similar product) in my tubes.
It's worse! Your weight and riding them don't even matter. It's the pressure you pump into your inner tube that squeezes them down to thin protection. It happens 24/7 as long as you have pressure in your tube - which is why they recommend letting the air out of your tires (in the fine print only), as you noticed, which is a terrible inconvenience.
Maybe hit it with some rubberizing spray it keep it from slipping? Would likely resolve the slipping, the compression I think is a known issue unfortunately. Foams compress it’s just a fact. Maybe someone will come along with a better solution
These things will go paper thin if you don't deflate them periodically . Liners work best so far but I am giving tubeless a try right now to see what I like best. So far going good but there is maintenance with tubeless. Like checking the sealant.
how often?
I check every 3 to 4 months and a little bit. I use that "Orange Seal Endurance Sealant" this stuff works really good. I have not got a flat yet and have seen a little bit of the sealant dried in a pinhole when I did get a puncture and didn't even know it.
That is a HUGE DEAL, OR FALSE ADVERTISING on the liner companies part. That should never get thinner than originally put into the tire. I'm upset.
i have a 20x4.0 rim but can a 20x3.0 innertube fit and work for a 20x4.0 ? Lets say if i don"t have a 20x4.0 innertube can a 20x3.0 be a substitute ? My next question is what if i have 20x4.0 inserts can a 20x3.0 innertube fit inside a 20x4.0 inserts ? if so what will be the psi to fill the tire up ?
I use FLAT OUT which is liquid Teflon with a 10 yr warranty made by multi seal...over 4000 miles
I wonder if it is too much weight? I mean, the combo of a rider and this heavy bike.....or is it the material? I have 700 x 23 Tannus solids on my road bike and the foam has not yet 'shrunk'. It does make the bike about 1 to 2 mph slower.
I feel like it is cause you put extra +300 per wheel.
When I tried tpu inner tubes instead of butyl ones, it felt like a different bike and I was like wow
(That is around +140 grams per wheel.)
These work VERY well to prevent pinch flats. I haven't had one since installing. I wouldn't put in more than 20 psi.
pinchflats are also pretty preventable if you have enough air in and the tires are not too skinny.
i got a flat on my rad runner. i had to push my bike 5 km home. the whole time i was thinking about this thing but glad i found your video.
Rad runners were sold with notoriously defective inner tubes. You can contact rad, or just fix it yourself. Lots of people upgrade their tubes AND tires to get thicker rubber. Anyway, I also had Tannus in my Rad mini, and confirm what this video shows. They get 4mm thin after a month of use. Their marketing is BS.
@@DerekKerton They are useless now?
@@HeyChief666 I took them out, so I can't say. I suppose they would have offered 4 mm of protection, or 3 or 2 depending on how thin the eventually get.
Installing it gave me tannus elbow🙃
It took two people to install them in my 29er mtn bike
I gave up and took it into the shop for them to install. They swapped the 4” tube (which they had sold me with the Tannus) for a 3” tube.
Could be the geometry of the tire that's causing the slip of the liner (along with having higher torque on rear hub from the e-bike). I've heard ppl using talcum or baby powder to keep the fiction down in tannus liners. The slipping issue may be less likely in a more narrow tire. Maybe 2.5 and down.
When are they going to come up with better deflection inserts?
Foam will just absorb thorns and prickly things, as aposed to the thick silica/plastic liners which dont absorb, more along the lines deflect the shrapnal.
I will go to hardware store
Grab a Pipe Insulater
They ARE THICK 5 BUCKS FOR BOTH TIRES
GLUE ENDS TOGETHER 5200 HOLDS 5200 LBS
Thanks for the info. I haven’t installed mine yet but now I’m concerned. Tannus recommends you size down your tubes. Did you use smaller tubes or did you reuse the tubes you originally had in?
Hi, I still haven’t installed yet and my return deadline is approaching. Can you confirm that you used smaller tubes as recommended by Tannus?
I used the sized tubes that they recommended. They checked it out and sent me a new set with a "new compound" which is literally the same exact thing 🙄 Anybody want to buy a brand new set?
@@urbancargobikes4930 Thanks for the update.
@Thom Thumb I put about 500 city miles on my e-bike and so far so good. Much easier to install than Mr. Tuffy’s which I have on all my non-electric bikes. My advice is to make sure you install properly, such as having the valve aligned with the hub and to not put too much pressure in the tires.
@@ronald.random so you've tested them for a while, has your set deflated as well or is yours still solid?
If you dent up (not crack) the rim a bit inward by riding up stairs with low pressure, wouldn't it make it harder for the tire/tube to rotate independent of the rim?
Why would you do that? But probably not. The tube has the most surface area/friction when the rim is as it should be. Deforming the rim would likely reduce that surface area, reducing friction. There are better ways to tweak your wheel than damaging it.
@@mousermind I didn't intentionally do it. I was running too low of a tire press going up stairs for the first time and had a pinch flat that I saw when on the digital TPMS 5 PSI on the rear from 20+. It's less issues. It's like running with the screw plate thing dirt bikes have to prevent the rim from moving. The less issues the better. You can end up super ultra stranded in the middle of no where.
Interesting findings, thank you. I got an ebike with 20"×3" tires, & after I got a flat on a very crunchy & spikey offroad trail, I started looking at options. I went with the puncture resistant liner, and layered the old tube in the new one, and also added latex liquid sealant, & I feel that is pretty good. I saw these & seems awesome but way too expensive, especially now that I see these results. I may still do the affordable verison and get pipe insulation from a hardware store, I wonder if it will flatten like the Tannus. At any rate, I added a small air pump to the tool bag, & would probably add spare tubes & sealant to the bag if I were to take it to work, but that's a stretch from here so probably not unless last resort. I use it mostly for fun in the parks, fishing etc.
thank you for making trhis video. i was about to buy a tannus liner. you saved me a lot of time and headaches
Thanks for the video. I was wondering about Tannus Armor - specifically why not just get a heavier/thicker carcass tire instead of the armor?
But you just gave me a better reason to avoid the "Armor".
Too thin now to protect rim
Scam
I heard they say to let the air out of the tire when not in use as well as less air pressure. It won't flatten out as fast I suppose.
These are junk . After about 4 months they flattened to about 1/8 the thickness . Two things happen . 1 . tire overinflation . And stem damage .
Calisse, osti! I had the exact same two problems. Shrinking protection, and interior movement wearing out a tube. I ran mine at 25 psi in 3" x 20" tires on a Rad Mini bike. I got flats, so I ripped them out angrily, and noticed how thick they are. I cut it and put a caliper on it, and measured exactly 4mm. That may be better than nothing, but the marketing says 15mm, and the advertising pictures illustrate that 15mm thickness and show a nail that can't reach your tube. But that is simply NOT what you get after a month of use. I spent money on 4 of these, and smaller tubes to go with them, and have since pulled them out, and am back to just running slime in my tires. FALSE ADVERTISING. WASTE OF MONEY!
I have been very skeptical about these liners. I just spoke with someone else and they said that the bike has to be elevated off the ground when not in use. SAY WHAT? No thanks. I'll stick with my Mr. Tuffy and Flatout redundancy. I just pulled a screw out of my back tire. It also pierced the Mr. Tuffy, but the FlatOut had it sealed in just seconds.
@Thom Thumb Read on trash mouth. Try to be an adult and a civilized human being. Or, is that asking too much? There are plenty of others in the comments here that have had issues with this product. I'm happy and thankful that you have trust and faith in them. Good for you! Now settle down, and remember that others are also entitled to an opinion, and don't think of themselves as gods, small "g" included for emphasis purposes.
Urban Cargo Bikes
3 months ago
I believe you. And, let me be honest, you'd be hard pressed to find someone more hopeful and with more faith in what Tannus is trying to accomplish in our industry. They're visionary really. It's just not a product that works with our 3 bike companies that we run. We need a product that can be used daily and for hours at a time, low maintenance, and that works most of the time. We've spoken with the company and we've come to the agreement that the project is still in need of research and development.
@Thom Thumb Thom my friend, it is the manufacturer that instructs to partially deflate in between rides to minimize the constant pressure on the compressible foam, elevating and removing weight of bike falls in line with that though not as effective as removing air per manufacturer instruction so this is not a suggestion by stupid people but recommendation of the manufacturer.
Because you have not gotten a flat while these have been installed does not prove that the foam material has not seriously compressed over time and is no longer rebounding to original thickness. I have not gotten a flat with equivalent mileage and only have Tuffy liners but that does not prove that Tuffy is as good as Tannus nor does it prove that Tannus is as good as Tuffy. Some folks are just lucky...until the luck runs out.
The permanent compression and reduction of the thickness of the foam material from Tannus is a real thing and is actually proven to be an issue by those who have removed it after months of use and seen it with their own eyes.
@Thom Thumb if compression means compressed
when you are riding the tire & therefore the liner are compressed.
If removing pressure when not in use is the solution
......then the math speaks for itself,
& that is a workaround not a solution btw
I'm still waiting for a Completely Solid Foam Insert for my Fat tire Trike.
Do you need a special tube for that red foam or can I use it with my original super 73 tube?
The thick part is not 1” to 1.25” thick as you said. They are 15mm (5/8”).
I have a set of tannus armour on my electric mountain bike, but after 2k miles I had an inner tube burst with 35lbs of pressure in it (the tire says 50psi but with the tannus in there it is a guessing game for pressure but the tannus was squeazed flat maybe eventually it would puff up again? I have a new recumbent trike and I think I am ordering mr tuffy's and 3 schwalbe marathon plus's (which is about the same price and they are known to hold up for several thousand miles
how much do you weigh that you're running 35 psi on a MTB?
@@JerrySpallone aren't 35psi low? Meaning if we're looking at his weight it would mean he weighs nothing.
Yup, I've seen the same thing happen to other bikes. Completely flat after a few months or just from sitting in the sun for too long
Thanks for making the video. I always wondered how foam would stand up over time and this is the first review I've seen that shows how they do.
@Thom Thumb ya no thanks.
@Thom Thumb excellent
Now.. I’m convinced Tannus Armour insert is a Scam!! Hopefully there’s a company out there who make this kind of protection in synthetic rubber. Now that would changed the game!
Thanks for testing the lack of durability of Tannus "armour". Mounting tires on rims is a pain; glad to have you do it. Speaking of which, I noticed the painful gash on your wrist. What a price to pay for your audience! Keep that clean and bandaged to minimize scarring. Retired in Sacto.
25 PSI is a lot my tires are rated for 20 and when I have the taranis 15 PSI is the Max
i had this idea of putting a strip of kevlar tape inside the tire, bonded with epoxy, any thoughts?
Have you tried the huntsman vs the speedsters? It's the same company, and I'm wondeing which to get. The huntsman look more rugged and are 1 lbs heaviers then the speedsters. I'm wondering how the extra weight woudl affect the acceleration and top speeds?
Also wondeing how the offroading and roie noie would be compared between the two tires.
You are over inflating the tires. Tannus says to keep the air pressure 10 pounds below the maximum for the tire. I keep mine at 13 PSI or below.
Considering they are just some sort of rubber they cost a lot.
I had imagined they wouldn't go flat like that or they would lose like %20 max which is acceptable.
But yeah, they are worthless cause don't forget that they add crazy weight to your tires.
I brought 2 of these this year installed them so i could ride to work, suffered the same issue on both within a week or so of each other, now i am scared of going to work on my bike because i was over a hour late because i had to walk with the bike.... and walk home the next day
I always plan to have time to walk in case something unexpected happens. Better to get to work early than to be late from a mishap!
Prob pay 35 cents in production 😂
Holy Crap, I think we just need Tires that are made of Kevlar amd don't allow anything through it.. Thanks for this .... Just FYI, so many riders love these . ??
@Thom Thumb and tannis uses shillbots too!
because the shillbotrs can lie all they want
and tannis is not held liable for the obvious misrepresentation of their product
Mine flatten to 3 mm after 4 months of using. I'm not sure if it's worth the money.
I went to 4mm after one month. Agree. Scam.
really? 3mm.
You are also putting +300 grams per wheel which is a day & night difference
@@DerekKerton Really? 4mm? with that extra weight? No thank you.
@@HeyChief666 It's been 2 years. Since that time I decided to just use tougher tires like Schwalbe Magic Mary with enduro casing. As extra I using also thicker tubes, DH version from Schwalbe as well. All you need is to keep proper tire pressure. For lighter terrain I have 20 psi front and 22 rear. For more rocky terrain 22 and 24 psi.
@@HeyChief666 On my ebike, I didn't care about the extra weight. But I did find I got more "wear" flats on my inner tubes. They rubbed in spots and developed leaks. Tube repairs were much harder to perform than usual, because my tires are a tight fit to the rims, and the armor was an extra hassle. But that isn't something I can measure scientifically, so that's not the basis of my complaints about Tannus. My measured, scientific complaint is that in a few months they squeezed to only 4mm thick. I measured it with a caliper.
Can i pop a few drops of glue in there?
Do they make Tannus Tires for 20" 4.0.If so where to get them what website and what's the name of the Tannus Tire.A Tannus Tire is something that never gets a flat ?
They're complete junk. What my other videos to see reviews.
What? Your reaction to this video is "Where can I buy some?"
did you contact Tannus? same thing happened to me after 50 miles ran over a 4 inch nail
of course nothing will stop that but the foam insert was so flattened my tire was rolling off the rim after 10 feet of blowout (HyperScrambler 20x4 inch wheel)
i bought these for run flat capability and armor...2 rides and insert is cardboard thin, don't even think of riding flat, it's all tire and rim...very disappointed, like $170 disappointed
calling Tannus tomorrow for refund
@Thom Thumb
You're the dumbass
I plainly said nothing would stop a nail
Talking about the inserts flattening out after two rides
It seems more like user fault rather than the product. 🤷🏻♂️ Tons of good reviews from people that are riding real bikes.
Yep. Likely didn't read the instructions stating to use a lower pressure. Only thing which would've caused that is through over inflation and/or not using the recommended size smaller inner tubes.
The guy came back and explained that he did use the smaller tube they recommended, as per his own comments. Unfortunately, unless we go to his house, we can't test his air pressure, so accusing him of using it wrong is sort of like saying, "Most survive falling down the stairs, so it must be a user error. If he fell down the stairs in a more safe way, he would be fine." If they sent him a replacement for a nearly $100 product, that says they admit they occasionally have defective merchandise, to me. He's also not the only one I've seen talk about these going flat after some months.
See my early comment about how having to deflate your tires all the time is ridiculous. If you need to nurse your tires to use this product, it's only a very special set of individuals who would be happy nursing their tires like that. All of that deflating and inflating takes time, and at that point it's more time than having a flat and fixing it on the road would waste.
_not getting a flat is not a good review_
*opening up and filming the truth IS a good review*
Tire popped with Tannas armour on. Just go with mr tuffy liners and flatout. Wasted money on that pool noodle tannas
Going to be honest with you it sounds like you're putting in too much pressure
So, if you put in Tannus Armor, you can no longer ride with the pressure you prefer? That STILL seems like a big negative on the Armor.
wow thanks for the heads up, I put those in my bike, waiting to see the result hopefully it last long enough
Did u take out all or most of the air when not in use? “Supposedly, Tannus says the foam needs a chance to rebound back to shape.”
Yes, but you'd have to be looney to think I'm going to do that every day, 7 days a week, 12 months a year. Tannus said to try it before issuing a replacement of the their "new and improved compound". I did. Even after 2 months they never regained shape. No thanks Tannus!
@@urbancargobikes4930 Thanks for heads up! Wife & I recently got ebikes. Already had 2 flat tires in a couple months. I think I’m just going to try the slime stuff instead of getting another Tannus bundle again. Take care 👍
@Thom Thumb I went with Tannus instead of the slime & haven’t gotten a flat since…(but we were getting flats due to lots of small thorns; so we also don’t ride in the dirt anymore) :S
I don't see those inserts as a viable option for torquey e-bikes. More or less for analog mountain bikes and cruisers with a larger tire diameter. I do think it is a pricey little product.
Nobody pointed out his cut on the wrist? I wondered what it was from lol mysterious bike accident, power tools, skating idk maybe parkour or just working with stubborn bike parts
Hi *Urban Cargo Bikes.* Were you able to reach out to us about the tire insert compressing? There could have been a bad batch? Here is some more information on compression: The armour will compress some after it’s installed depending on the pressure of the tire. The higher the psi the more condensed the Armour will become. If you wish to keep the Armour as thick as possible then maintain a lower psi. You may also deflate your tire if you’re not going to be riding for a longer period. This allows the Armour to rebound back to its original size.
Hi, what psi you recommend in 20x4 inner tube? Cheers 👊🏻
@@NocnyGreg3x6 Fat-tired e-bikes shouldn't run too low (under 10psi) as this may not offer enough support or give the comfort you're accustomed to.
E-BIKES can run at normal tire PSI.
@@NocnyGreg3x6 .. I run my 26x4 at 16psi rear and 10psi front as i run on smoothish dyke roads/trails .. i like having as much tire on the road as possible for greater traction on gravel.
They say you're supposed to deflate them when not in use.
Ya, that's insane. It takes literally 75+ pumps with a large floor pump to inflate each tire. That's not realistic, practical, or feasible.
@@urbancargobikes4930 i think they mean don't totally deflate them use let 10 psi out.
@@urbancargobikes4930 Sounds like you need a compressor.
Hi, my tannus for a year of use, released in the winter.
The sides are 0.5 mm, the thickest place in the middle is 2.5 mm thick !!
Thanks for the input.
What? Thanks for the info
Omg I’m scared now because I bought a pair to put on my bike 😢
Did you put them on?
@ no, I’m waiting for a flat then I was going to try but I have 4 inch tires and according to Tannus I’m supposed to use smaller 3 inch tires with them
I just don't like the fact that after a few months or what not, they are flimsy looking and like "bubble gum" as you said... smh
Their 20" line is a more recent addition to the tannus products. This doesn't happen on a 26"+ wheel. The 4" width could also be the issue🤔
It's also possible that your valve stem got damaged and finished off by other means. Maybe one too many wheelies🙃. Give it another shot to see if it happens again at least
Tannus adds weight, hassle and slows you down AND they are expensive. Not worth it. I have gone tubeless on all of my bikes for thousands of miles and I have only had 1 flat. While riding the Tour de Houston ON the streets, my rear tire took a 3 1/2" nail!!! I fixed it in a couple minutes with my own home-made remedy and the tire has held air for 6 months!!!! Because I was tubeless I didn't have to remove a tube or tire, all I did was put a little Gorilla Glue over the hole, then stuck the tip of a sticky tubeless plug over the hole, then I put more Gorilla glue over it and 6 months later, the tire holds air like a champ. I have bombed over roots, dirt and gravel without problems. This is much cheaper and much easier than Tannus liners.
They add like +300 per wheel lol
hi did you use the suggested smaller tube inside or did you use the tube that came with the bike? the facrtory recommends using a smaller tube and im just trying to figure out how that happened, you should use the warranty and get your money back.
DUDE!! how has no one mentioned that GASH on your right wrists...WTF happened there? Cool vid by the way
Biking can be dangerous... working on bikes IS dangerous 😂
Of course the idiots who practice planned obsolescence don't care if you get frequent flat tires!
You also had mad torgue with that mid drive.....
Good point. I mostly see good things about this product.
What's "torgue"?
@@mousermind
Raw power 🔋 💪
@@snip_king428 I was being politely sarcastic. It's called TORQUE. *T-O-R-Q-U-E*
@@mousermind
Damn, I totally missed my misspell
And half blind...
Box literally says to drop air pressure when not riding and also to leave bike in the sun to heat them up occasionally.
Leave the bike in the sun and drop the air pressure when not riding? Seriously?
Then why did they send replacements? They didn't work in the first place or when following the direction.
@@urbancargobikes4930 If I could attach a photo I would... I have a pair of boxes in front of me that give these instructions.
I believe you. And, let me be honest, you'd be hard pressed to find someone more hopeful and with more faith in what Tannus is trying to accomplish in our industry. They're visionary really. It's just not a product that works with our 3 bike companies that we run. We need a product that can be used daily and for hours at a time, low maintenance, and that works most of the time. We've spoken with the company and we've come to the agreement that the project is still in need of research and development.
Looking forward to the future!
@@urbancargobikes4930 ahhh that makes more sense. The maintenance thing definitely puts them in an enthusiast/hobbyist space rather than average bike consumer.
that is not a solution to the problem and they know it.
that is a workaround
working around a design & materials flaw
Man, your background music is as creepy as your story.
This is why i use metal valve stems with a locking nut. The rubber stems break all the time
I use those and my tubes tend to puncture at the valve still :((
I could not fit mine on my 26 inch 2.1 width mtb tyres even with a narrower inner tube. I have to go down a tube size since the thickness of the tannus armour changes the circumference inside the tyres. Arrghhh...
That _is_ what they suggest you do. It pays to read the details about the product you're about to buy so there are no surprises.
You never want to double bag it.
Thank you for your review. I’ve read the other comments, and if all that is required in order for “this” product to work than it is not worth it. I’d rather run the risk of getting a flat which was still there anyway, and there are if not as good potentially better options out there like solid tires that are on e scooters which Warri 100% of the time.
Like I've got the issue, either get a new set of tires because my rear's got at least two holes in it from a thorn and a glass shard.
Or get the liners, reuse the curret tires (they got almost 2700km on, and can probably last another 2700km) 🤔
@Thom Thumb Not true bud. Look at the instructions and their website. I have a set and are happy with them for touring but not for commuting. Advantages and disadvantages to using them in my experience. I'm not sure why you would write what you did - it's inaccurate at best.
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Im from Switzerland ., seems kind a hard to get in Contact with them RimHub Builders..😅
Id Love to order one.. but...
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Just thick enough to hide sharp objects
So u flat twice
I found them to be very bad as well. Also filmed it the problem.
Same thing happened to me, Tannus is over-hyped trash. I finally got a roofing nail puncture, they certainly don't "run flat" as promised and the worthless mash of very tight fitting foam rubber inside the tire make roadside repair/replacement of the inner tube nearly impossible.
Thanks Tannus!
The website says "run flat" does not apply to 3+ inserts, meaning eBikes.
@@PeeperPenguin69 what does this have to do with ebikes tho, some run conventional tire sizes
Yep 5200 & Rhino up a pair
Of Pipe Freeze Insulators / FLATOUT TUBES AND BUY A NON FLAT TUBE
Valve stem failure: It is NOT the Tannus Armor. It is your rim. Fat tire rims have a hole drilled for the valve stem that is awful! It typically has burs/sharp edges left from the drilling process and only works for METAL valve stems (NOT RUBBER). If you are using inner tubes with rubber valve stems, you have to drill them oversize and install plastic or rubber gourmets so the valves stems don't get cut/deflated/and sheared off. DO NOT BLAME Tannus!
The item failed you because you failed to maintain the item. Tannus instructions do say that you should periodically deflate the tires substantially when not in use, in order to allow the product to regain and maintain its form. Anyway, there are other things to use if you don't like Tannus, but it is certainly not a scam, simply because you failed to take care of it.
How much did they pay u to comment this
Nothing. I wish. Anyway, I’m happy with the product. I’ve just hit 2,000 kilometres and no flats.
I have these and are rubbish i fitted them got a flat few days later and liner was paper thin so the liners go thin as soon as you inflate
What a ridiculous, stupid innertube protector that needs to be rested!
Deflate the tire? F all that nonsense. That's a deal breaker. People want to put tires on and forget about it
I fell for there scam to, they do nothing to stop nails, save your money Tannus armor are garbage
*their
*Armour is garbage.
How have you not learned proper English at your age?
Mario e-bike! Don’t see many of these ;) nice ride
Tannus recommends that you use the appropriate inner tube size... did you use their chart to use the appropriate inner tube... they recommend a smaller size tube and lower air pressure... to make up for the lesser space that the Tannus liner is taking up... It sounds like you used the wrong size tube and over filled the air.... which in turn squashed the liner.... and please the next time put a band aid on... it was eating when I saw that gash on your wrist... Lincoln Mann...
very stupid.
Try to take the smallest soul you can find. In the free space, inflate it to a diameter of 100 mm and say the measured pressure ... 0.001?
Physics, thinking.
@@Jurawood I think i will keep my soul, thats in regards to your reply read before you send... other than that the smaller inner tube and recommended tire pressure works. 326 miles and no problems. I live in Maine, there is all kinds of shit on the side of the road when the snow melts... I have had no problems so far this year. and flats are usually a problem at the first sign of spring... so far so good
thanks for the input!!!
I will check mine tomorrow
Scam. "Simply release pressure every ride, leave them in the sun occasionally, and make sure they get time under a full moon on Monday."
It's a tire insert that doesn't protect the tube. My suggestion to Tannus was, either the mid-section needs denser foam, and/or you need to add an integrated liner.
Because, especially on wider tires (those same sized listed as non-compatible for run-flat, by the way "
*Does not apply to the following sizes: 20x3.0-4.0, 20x4.1-4.8, and 26x4.0-4.8."), these simply do not work.
Hear you. Exactly right 👊🏼
@@urbancargobikes4930 yeah, their reply to me just now was, "The Armour will compress, which is a actually good thing and helps the material become denser and offers even better flat protection."
Yet, the promo photos show this amazing space barrier that proctects the tube. They should add denser foam to these wider Tannus products to maintain the space. What's worse, everything else they suggested was already checked.
Monthly (blah blah blah) - these were installed 17 days ago
Sunshine - yep, the bike is in direct sunlight 8 hours a day when I commute
Heat - oh yeah, it's 90-100F here everyday
Then they suggested, and I kid you not:
"If someone's Armour is really compressed and they are wanting to get as much thickness out of it as possible for longer, take the Armour out completely and pop it in direct, hot sunlight."
Yeahhhh, that's exactly what I want to do every couple weeks on a fat tire ebike.
They offered me a refund, after telling me I am wrong. I am going to test their regimen claim instead. I still have one unused unit as reference. Let's put their suggestions they've commited to writing to the test.
Told me the same thing. I so so wish these would actually work but they're just cheap foam junk. I have faith they or someone else will figure it out eventually.
@@urbancargobikes4930 latest reply from Tannus. No date of manufacture I can find. I assume I have the latest compound. Have been deflating/inflating twice a day around my daily commute.
"As far as some reviews on the compression, we were aware of this and did an update on the compound earlier this year that has reduced compression. As far as technology, we have tested a compound that doesn't compress at all, but the ride is terrible. So, it is that fine line of finding something that resists compression and also rides nicely.
The current compound has been our best yet.
The material is similar to that of high end running shoe soles. This is what makes it light, resist puncture, and resist compression."
My testing on compression will take place this Sunday. In my reply to the above, I pointed out your findings to them as well as mine. Also, that the 15mm of 'protection' they promote isn't even valid before airing up (unless they included the manufactruing ridge in the center). I also reiterated that the issues appear to be on units that are not run-flat compatible. The width seems to be a key factor here, and why some users sing Tannus praises while others find nothing but fail. The insert most likely works on narrow, super low pressure applications used offroad.
damn I almoist bought this … I need help ! finding puncture proof / resistance !
Thanks for the heads up, tannis is basically a scam!
Thank you !
Thick 5200,will stop a nail in most cases
Just goop up I side of tire
Assuming you changed out the original inner tubes for the smaller size recommended by Tannus and didn't inflate them beyond their adjusted pressure requirements which probably caused your valve stem to tear); it states quite clearly on the retail packaging to deflate the tyres when not in use and this will allow the compound to rebound to its former shape.
It also states that you can accelerate the rebound process by leaving them in a warm area or further still in a hot, steamy environment.
You wasted a lot of people's time and slandered a decent product for the sake of not reading the information provided to you.
Deflate your tubes whenever you sleep. Sounds like a huge pain in the ass.
@@GreenLegendRan Obviously (to most), they refer to off-season storage not just overnight; nobody would be using these if that was a fundamental requirement.
Good Video!
Thanks this made me buy mr tuffy instead
Totally A Scam
Get them now paper thin
Smallest thorn punctures
I will TAKE A REFUND
Sorry dude, but not impressed with your workmanship, all those extremely long cables ain't cutting it.
Hmmm ... Those are Speedster Tires and they have over Ride technology for puncture resistance. Personally I don't think you want or need to use Tannus Armor with such tires. Next thing to think about is the Tube itself ... after all they do go bad ... I doubt very much that it happen the way you think it happened ... sorry TD! It appears you didn't follow directions ... I did not want to deflate and inflate tires or having to guess at when to, so I decided to go with Flatout myself for now. But since I have a bad back I don't think I need an off road tire so I'm looking for something similar to the Speedster tires ... less noise and smoother ride.