An important point missed is that it doesn't have the annoying delay that the original version had. I eventually sold version 1 as it was a pain to wait for the delay after only a few minutes of inactivity. I have tried the new version with the Bolt receiver and bluetooth and there is no lag with either. On v2 I also think the keys contrast better against the keyboard, making them easier to see and type on.
I never had any delay with the original one. And once I set it, it's set. I usually just set it with my laptop or my phone. You might have gotten a dud.
I bought the keyboard twice, thinking the first was faulty. After it happened again Logitech confirmed the keyboard has a sleep mode, which kicks in after a few minutes of inactivity. Once typing again the keyboard takes a few moments to wake up. Might not bother some people but annoying for me.
I have 2 K380, one for work, one for home and haven't had that issue. But again, once it's set, it's set. I'm not constantly shifting. And each K380 can assign to 3 different devices easily.@@ianj8411
No shifting devices here either. The delay is after a period of inactivity, not through switching devices. The first version uses bluetooth 3.0, so they built in sleep mode to compensate for the extra battery drain. The new model uses bluetooth low energy, so no need for sleep mode. @@Dracomies
Features the new version brings to the table: K380s battery life is longer. If the difference between 36 months and 24 months means anything to to anyone. K380s is made out of 64% recycled plastic. If you care about such things. K380s is compatible with Logi Bolt USB receiver (but doesn't come with it). I think the bluetooth standard is different as well but not sure.
Man you don't know what people are looking for in these keyboards. You don't want internal batteries for these. This is made for work and were designed to be portable. That AAA battery does not add much weight on it, instead it gives you the ability to replace them with ease. Internal battery makes it hard when you need to fix it on the go. You can literally get the battery from anywhere, whereas internal batteries are specialized batteries that can only be bought by placing orders. Adding to that, the device switching function lets you operate several work stations without having a set of input device for each. The main difference between these two is that the K380S have a much lower power consumption, it last about 1.5 times longer than the old model. So yes, it's even more convenient to travel with it.
As a frequent international traveler, a battery-operated keyboard suits me well since I can easily check it in with my luggage. Carrying a rechargeable keyboard in hand luggage during travels can be quite cumbersome.
You missed one key feature that logitech often omits themselves. Bluetooth version, I had the k380 and I live in a building where there are a lot of competing signals utilizing the 2.4g band and because of that the keyboard often struggled to send keystrokes to my devices, the newer one has bluetooth 5.1 which should be more compatible with current devices and less likely to get drowned in the 2.4g band with better optimizations in it's general operations
The F4 to ins keys are customizable now which was only for F4 to F6 before. This improves productivity on so many levels. Just depends on how you want to flex them as per your needs.
the only difference is that it now supports unifying dongle and connection option is not just bluetooth…. If you buy the combo… both keyboard & mouse work with single dongle…. Thats a major upgrade
While I love the rechargable Logitech mouse, I do love that this using batteries. If it would have a built-in battery and that would die or getting worse over time, I would need to replace the keyboard. This way if anything wrong I just would need to replace the batteries.
You are not really right. First version doesn't have any possibility to connect except Bluetooth. Belive me, I spent 10+ hours on being sure about this. I have this keyboard staying in ita original box, because I just can't use it with my work PC, which has Bluetooth menu locked by administrators. I bought a Bluetooth dongle, and connected keyboard with it on other PC, but this doesn't work on any other PC, you should connect it with the Bluetooth dongle on every PC. With proprietary receivers (non-unifying, unifying, bolt) that's not the case. Connected once device remembers the receiver. But K380 has only Bluetooth, nothing else. Also, for now new K380S doesn't have so much colors as old K380, violet for example.
@@Dracomies So as you said, upgrading is not really worth it, but buying the version if you wanted a new k380 might be worth the extra. I've gotten it a bit more than a month ago (both the s and non-s were the same price) and it's been great so far :)
Logi Bolt compatibility means there's now a cheap HTPC keyboard available! You might say, "but there's bluetooth on the old version" and I would respond: a) most PCs don't have Bluetooth. b) Bluetooth doesn't work in UEFI settings. c) Bluetooth is far from user friendly, my elderly parents can't comprehend it.
I would rather have the AAA battery option than rechargeable battery. If the rechargeable battery dies, you are stuck and you need to get a whole new keyboard, no? Besides, Logitech already does a mini keyboard with a rechargeable option.
what i wish they improved with this keyboard is allow for usb type C connection and a dedicated dongle (stored on the keyboard) as well. for those times when you need to tinker with the BIOS settings, or have a new computer to pair. they did include logi bolt functionality but to use that youd have to buy it separately (or get it in the pebble 2 combo pack)
I agree! It would have been nice to have USB C. I'm also disappointed that they couldn't make this thing lighter. It's like the EXACT same weight as the original K380. If they could make it lighter it'd be so sweet haha.
Apparently, Fn functionality is not usable in BIOS (even if you set F1 etc to be default instead of the functions), so that means you can not use F1 - F12 to enter a BIOS. It's only usable in cases where another key is used to enter the BIOS such as the Del key. *This might be dependent on the specific BIOS though, has not been tested with many PCs afaik.
@@deldel3006 I was able to make it work on mine. Used Fn+Esc would lock the top row to use function keys and the setting is saved on the keyboard. Pressed F2 and got into BIOS. I'm using an Asus Tuf Motherboard and the Logi Bolt Receiver
I use both versions. One for work and the other for gaming. Be able to replace the batteries is a must for ecological reasons too. I use it a lot (10h or more a day) within 1.5 years. Same battery. Easy switch (and fast!) between MacOS and Linux. Windows 11 for gaming alongside my HOTAS.
BT 5.x and and Logitech dongle connection are huge upgrades for me. Loosing the connection and reconnecting were a big pain with my old K380. I loved it. At some point the space bar had a problem, i couldn't fix it. Because of BT 3 and lack of connectivity to the USB receiver I didn't buy a new one. Thanks to you and the comments, i now know that they fixed that. My only other criticism is that for a mobile keyboard it is a bit heavy.
internal batteries suck because they eventually die, and you need to buy a new keyboard, dude wake up and smell the coffee, NOOOOOO PLEASE!! LEAVE IT AS IT IS, "AAA batteries are THE BEST!" NEVER CHANGE THAT, because it will ruin the point of this keyboard.
If your problem with your keyboard is the weight of a couple of AA batteries you have serious issues and have no business reviewing a keyboard. You totally missed the ACTUAL differences between these keyboard and it’s not the weight. Ridiculous.
I think you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say. The point is if you already have the old one you don't need to buy the new one. As for my obsession with weight, it's because I travel super light and every ounce counts.
Are you sure that size of keyboard (keys) is the same as old one? I think the new version is little wider (have more space between keys). Because the old was not regular size comparing to regular keyboard, and this new version I guess they fix that. If you mesure distance from "A" to "enter", I think the K380s should be wider, in total maybe 0.5 cm, because that was the difference when I was comparing K380 with my regular keyboard.
It's the same. Just that the keys are arranged differently. Same width, height. length, width etc pretty much. I honestly was disappointed that the weight wasn't lighter. If you have the old K380 absolutely no reason to get it.
The TLDR of this is that the 'physical dimensions' are pretty much the same as the old K380. Same weight, same length, same width and same height. I was hoping it would be lighter in ounces. I'm a r/onebag traveler and weight is very important to me because I travel often with just carry-on in 7 KG maximum weight airlines. So I was hoping that this would be lighter, something like the Logitech Go but with better typeability. Or even just a few ounces less, and certainly not the SAME weight. At the very least I was hoping it wouldn't require AAA batteries or it would have USB C pluggability. But ultimately it's the same thing as the old K380 (down to the weight, height and length) but with better bluetooth which wasn't a selling point for me. To me, I didn't see a reason to upgrade from the K380 and was honestly hoping for a physical change.
do you recommend getting a k380 now? any difference in typing experience? also a new one i found is this ASUS Marshmallow KW100 Keyboard. any advice? thanks
I wanted to help answer this particular question. I've been using the k380 keyboard for almost a year now, and while it's mid-range in quality for its price, the ability to seamlessly switch between devices using the three buttons is amazing. Paired with Logi M720, it works perfectly fine. I would love it if Logitech could update it to support Logi Bolt technology.
This is actually one of my most hated reviews haha! But thank you! :P Even looking back now I don't think I was wrong. This new upgrade is still a nothing burger lol.
@@Dracomies You was not wrong, you were clear and direct. Many reviews never mentions the weight difference (if there is) but you were on topic, clear and short. The keyboard is a very good product that I have non of the versions. But I was cruious if the new one has lower quailty on plastic but your review made it clear that they were identical so I just ordered "s" version with your help. Again thank you.
That's my 2 cents too. If you already have the K380 and haven't had any issues with connecting to devices (I haven't) then there really is no point to upgrade. People...err...hated that response :P I was hoping it was at least physically lighter but even weighs the same and measures the same, it's basically the same but connects better (but I never had issues with it). (shrugs shoulders)
But is this updated one finally able to connect to the chromcast 4K with android 12+ again? Cause Google effed us in the @s$ with that on the older model.
I think overall the newer one just has better internal stuff. I think I'm in the minority where I was hoping for changes on the external stuff so my review should be taken with a grain of salt. :P
The laptop keyboard isn't as good for typeability. It's why I like my K380 rn. But this isn't better than the K380 it's basically more expensive for no real apparent reason.
My K380 is still going strong 4 years in. A teeny bit cramped for long typing sessions, but hella worth the portability and versatility. I actually like that it uses battery vs it being rechargeable. I don't have to deal with having to find an outlet to charge it with when it's low on battery. That said, the batteries last a hella long time.
Yeah of all the portable keyboards I've tested I keep coming back to the K380. Even after initially setting on the Air 75, I did a U turn and went back to the K380. @@andieluke1366
The Bluetooth wasn't what interested me about it as I never had issues with Bluetooth on the K380 I have now. I wanted a lighter version (in weight) or at least something different.
An important point missed is that it doesn't have the annoying delay that the original version had. I eventually sold version 1 as it was a pain to wait for the delay after only a few minutes of inactivity. I have tried the new version with the Bolt receiver and bluetooth and there is no lag with either. On v2 I also think the keys contrast better against the keyboard, making them easier to see and type on.
I never had any delay with the original one. And once I set it, it's set. I usually just set it with my laptop or my phone. You might have gotten a dud.
I bought the keyboard twice, thinking the first was faulty. After it happened again Logitech confirmed the keyboard has a sleep mode, which kicks in after a few minutes of inactivity. Once typing again the keyboard takes a few moments to wake up. Might not bother some people but annoying for me.
Not noticed any of that at all with the K380s, even when using bluetooth instead of the receiver.
I have 2 K380, one for work, one for home and haven't had that issue. But again, once it's set, it's set. I'm not constantly shifting. And each K380 can assign to 3 different devices easily.@@ianj8411
No shifting devices here either. The delay is after a period of inactivity, not through switching devices. The first version uses bluetooth 3.0, so they built in sleep mode to compensate for the extra battery drain. The new model uses bluetooth low energy, so no need for sleep mode. @@Dracomies
I do like batteries in my keyboard and mouse, especially when you have to change them every year or two.
Features the new version brings to the table:
K380s battery life is longer. If the difference between 36 months and 24 months means anything to to anyone.
K380s is made out of 64% recycled plastic. If you care about such things.
K380s is compatible with Logi Bolt USB receiver (but doesn't come with it).
I think the bluetooth standard is different as well but not sure.
Pebble Keys 2 K380s comes with new bluetooth 5.1
On top of that ,if you use logi options + software you can customize any key combination to do anything essentially. I think that is the big upgrade.
Logi boly USB receiver. How do I get it?
@@misterpotato4775 buy k350s mouse
Man you don't know what people are looking for in these keyboards. You don't want internal batteries for these. This is made for work and were designed to be portable. That AAA battery does not add much weight on it, instead it gives you the ability to replace them with ease. Internal battery makes it hard when you need to fix it on the go. You can literally get the battery from anywhere, whereas internal batteries are specialized batteries that can only be bought by placing orders. Adding to that, the device switching function lets you operate several work stations without having a set of input device for each. The main difference between these two is that the K380S have a much lower power consumption, it last about 1.5 times longer than the old model. So yes, it's even more convenient to travel with it.
As a frequent international traveler, a battery-operated keyboard suits me well since I can easily check it in with my luggage. Carrying a rechargeable keyboard in hand luggage during travels can be quite cumbersome.
You missed one key feature that logitech often omits themselves. Bluetooth version, I had the k380 and I live in a building where there are a lot of competing signals utilizing the 2.4g band and because of that the keyboard often struggled to send keystrokes to my devices, the newer one has bluetooth 5.1 which should be more compatible with current devices and less likely to get drowned in the 2.4g band with better optimizations in it's general operations
oooo thanks! brilliant tidbit!
I would absolutely upgrade if they had included a light indicator for the CAPS
Eso supondría menos duración de batería 🪫
The F4 to ins keys are customizable now which was only for F4 to F6 before. This improves productivity on so many levels. Just depends on how you want to flex them as per your needs.
Your review is not helpful at all. You obviously are bashing and bashing without even pointing the good things about the product.
Probably bc nothing has changed
@@jcap8391 Are you sure about that?
Yep, 3 fucking minutes watching this junk
the only difference is that it now supports unifying dongle and connection option is not just bluetooth…. If you buy the combo… both keyboard & mouse work with single dongle…. Thats a major upgrade
While I love the rechargable Logitech mouse, I do love that this using batteries. If it would have a built-in battery and that would die or getting worse over time, I would need to replace the keyboard. This way if anything wrong I just would need to replace the batteries.
It uses the new bolt wireless vs the older unifying. Change there is bolt is encrypted vs unifying.
You are not really right.
First version doesn't have any possibility to connect except Bluetooth. Belive me, I spent 10+ hours on being sure about this. I have this keyboard staying in ita original box, because I just can't use it with my work PC, which has Bluetooth menu locked by administrators.
I bought a Bluetooth dongle, and connected keyboard with it on other PC, but this doesn't work on any other PC, you should connect it with the Bluetooth dongle on every PC.
With proprietary receivers (non-unifying, unifying, bolt) that's not the case. Connected once device remembers the receiver. But K380 has only Bluetooth, nothing else.
Also, for now new K380S doesn't have so much colors as old K380, violet for example.
The difference is in the new Bluetooth standard 4, means it doesnt disconnect from the pc anymore and consumes even less energy
yip yip. I think that's the overall differences. The internals.
@@Dracomies So as you said, upgrading is not really worth it, but buying the version if you wanted a new k380 might be worth the extra.
I've gotten it a bit more than a month ago (both the s and non-s were the same price) and it's been great so far :)
Logi Bolt compatibility means there's now a cheap HTPC keyboard available!
You might say, "but there's bluetooth on the old version" and I would respond: a) most PCs don't have Bluetooth. b) Bluetooth doesn't work in UEFI settings. c) Bluetooth is far from user friendly, my elderly parents can't comprehend it.
I would rather have the AAA battery option than rechargeable battery. If the rechargeable battery dies, you are stuck and you need to get a whole new keyboard, no? Besides, Logitech already does a mini keyboard with a rechargeable option.
Despite heavier, I am actually one of those who prefer easy replaceable battery on wireless devices if possible. Plus I use rechargeable ones.
Real change is in bluetooth version, rest are cosmetic.
This doesn't help to make it work with any work PC with blocked setting for home office. Logi Bolt - helps, just don't like it isn't included.
what i wish they improved with this keyboard is allow for usb type C connection and a dedicated dongle (stored on the keyboard) as well. for those times when you need to tinker with the BIOS settings, or have a new computer to pair.
they did include logi bolt functionality but to use that youd have to buy it separately (or get it in the pebble 2 combo pack)
I agree! It would have been nice to have USB C. I'm also disappointed that they couldn't make this thing lighter. It's like the EXACT same weight as the original K380. If they could make it lighter it'd be so sweet haha.
Apparently, Fn functionality is not usable in BIOS (even if you set F1 etc to be default instead of the functions), so that means you can not use F1 - F12 to enter a BIOS. It's only usable in cases where another key is used to enter the BIOS such as the Del key. *This might be dependent on the specific BIOS though, has not been tested with many PCs afaik.
@@deldel3006 I was able to make it work on mine. Used Fn+Esc would lock the top row to use function keys and the setting is saved on the keyboard. Pressed F2 and got into BIOS. I'm using an Asus Tuf Motherboard and the Logi Bolt Receiver
@@Jolofsor Thanks for confirming this!
Are materials any different? I have an old K380 and most common use keys are quite glossy/oily
I use both versions. One for work and the other for gaming. Be able to replace the batteries is a must for ecological reasons too. I use it a lot (10h or more a day) within 1.5 years. Same battery. Easy switch (and fast!) between MacOS and Linux. Windows 11 for gaming alongside my HOTAS.
BT 5.x and and Logitech dongle connection are huge upgrades for me. Loosing the connection and reconnecting were a big pain with my old K380. I loved it. At some point the space bar had a problem, i couldn't fix it. Because of BT 3 and lack of connectivity to the USB receiver I didn't buy a new one.
Thanks to you and the comments, i now know that they fixed that.
My only other criticism is that for a mobile keyboard it is a bit heavy.
internal batteries suck because they eventually die, and you need to buy a new keyboard, dude wake up and smell the coffee, NOOOOOO PLEASE!! LEAVE IT AS IT IS, "AAA batteries are THE BEST!" NEVER CHANGE THAT, because it will ruin the point of this keyboard.
Yeah I think overall I'm in the minority here. Keep in mind that I'm very r/onebag so I'll gladly take less ounces.
The old K380: Bluish gray, yellow Bluetooth buttons, old Logitech logo.
True! RAPOO really giving them a run for their money. Great features and quality, at lower price even!
If your problem with your keyboard is the weight of a couple of AA batteries you have serious issues and have no business reviewing a keyboard.
You totally missed the ACTUAL differences between these keyboard and it’s not the weight. Ridiculous.
I think you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say. The point is if you already have the old one you don't need to buy the new one. As for my obsession with weight, it's because I travel super light and every ounce counts.
no update on bluetooth version?
Are you sure that size of keyboard (keys) is the same as old one? I think the new version is little wider (have more space between keys). Because the old was not regular size comparing to regular keyboard, and this new version I guess they fix that. If you mesure distance from "A" to "enter", I think the K380s should be wider, in total maybe 0.5 cm, because that was the difference when I was comparing K380 with my regular keyboard.
It's the same. Just that the keys are arranged differently. Same width, height. length, width etc pretty much. I honestly was disappointed that the weight wasn't lighter. If you have the old K380 absolutely no reason to get it.
Is the key feel any different?
Bluetooth 5.0, better latency, you can even play games with it
That keyboard doesn't need to be changed. It is perfect already
What about plastic, is it the same feel? Is it easier to type or the same?
Hey thanks for then awesome comparison which was on point and I think I’m going to for the old model
I didn't have a good experience with the K380 and its lag, I might try out this new version with logi bolt.
"prrrruueettty much about the same here"
Honestly just the fact that the fn lock is no longer tied to their stupid app is enough to make it an upgrade.
Guess more customization provided in K380s.
The TLDR of this is that the 'physical dimensions' are pretty much the same as the old K380. Same weight, same length, same width and same height. I was hoping it would be lighter in ounces. I'm a r/onebag traveler and weight is very important to me because I travel often with just carry-on in 7 KG maximum weight airlines. So I was hoping that this would be lighter, something like the Logitech Go but with better typeability. Or even just a few ounces less, and certainly not the SAME weight. At the very least I was hoping it wouldn't require AAA batteries or it would have USB C pluggability. But ultimately it's the same thing as the old K380 (down to the weight, height and length) but with better bluetooth which wasn't a selling point for me. To me, I didn't see a reason to upgrade from the K380 and was honestly hoping for a physical change.
What mouse do you use to travel with also?
Good travel mice are Logitech Pebble and the MIcrosoft Modern Mobile Mouse. I like the Modern Mobile Mouse since it works on all surfaces.@@MND-um6kw
do you recommend getting a k380 now? any difference in typing experience?
also a new one i found is this ASUS Marshmallow KW100 Keyboard.
any advice? thanks
I wanted to help answer this particular question.
I've been using the k380 keyboard for almost a year now, and while it's mid-range in quality for its price, the ability to seamlessly switch between devices using the three buttons is amazing. Paired with Logi M720, it works perfectly fine. I would love it if Logitech could update it to support Logi Bolt technology.
oh PLEASE don't only use the imperial system!
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This is actually one of my most hated reviews haha! But thank you! :P Even looking back now I don't think I was wrong. This new upgrade is still a nothing burger lol.
@@Dracomies You was not wrong, you were clear and direct. Many reviews never mentions the weight difference (if there is) but you were on topic, clear and short. The keyboard is a very good product that I have non of the versions. But I was cruious if the new one has lower quailty on plastic but your review made it clear that they were identical so I just ordered "s" version with your help. Again thank you.
is the new version quieter?
Have you gotten the answer yet? I'm curious too
I was wondering what they could possibly have done with this “upgrade”. Turns out - nothing really? I am happy with my K380.
That's my 2 cents too. If you already have the K380 and haven't had any issues with connecting to devices (I haven't) then there really is no point to upgrade. People...err...hated that response :P I was hoping it was at least physically lighter but even weighs the same and measures the same, it's basically the same but connects better (but I never had issues with it). (shrugs shoulders)
Приветствую, подскажите где ее можно купить?
I’m sorry but you missed to mention the logo difference now it’s just Logi, the best upgrade and you didn’t mention it…
I hear the s lasts 36 mo on one set of batteries
Thank you.
Thanks mate! your the man, just saved me 75 pln!
Yeah my TLDR in this vid is if you have the old one, keep it. No need to upgrade. :D
But is this updated one finally able to connect to the chromcast 4K with android 12+ again? Cause Google effed us in the @s$ with that on the older model.
I think overall the newer one just has better internal stuff. I think I'm in the minority where I was hoping for changes on the external stuff so my review should be taken with a grain of salt. :P
Wanted to ask if the new version darker,by darker i mean its black and not greyish color like the original version?
I genuinely don't remember. But I think they're the same tint.
@@Dracomies different tints of grey
Yeah, I hate when wireless devices have batteries instead of Lithium batteries that you can charge with usb. I mean it's 2023, c'mon guys
At that point, why not just use your laptop keyboard if you’re got getting a dedicated compact mechanical keyboard
The laptop keyboard isn't as good for typeability. It's why I like my K380 rn. But this isn't better than the K380 it's basically more expensive for no real apparent reason.
@@Dracomies why not get mechanical mx mini?
It's too heavy. I know this makes no sense. This is a r/onebag thing. @@jackeddemon
My K380 is still going strong 4 years in. A teeny bit cramped for long typing sessions, but hella worth the portability and versatility. I actually like that it uses battery vs it being rechargeable. I don't have to deal with having to find an outlet to charge it with when it's low on battery. That said, the batteries last a hella long time.
Yeah of all the portable keyboards I've tested I keep coming back to the K380. Even after initially setting on the Air 75, I did a U turn and went back to the K380.
@@andieluke1366
You're very misinformed. The new one has many improvements that you haven't even mentioned.
The Bluetooth wasn't what interested me about it as I never had issues with Bluetooth on the K380 I have now. I wanted a lighter version (in weight) or at least something different.
Don't b dumb?! Bluet 😂😂 th
Terrible review