Apple vs Qualcomm vs Intel vs AMD - Best 2024 Laptop CHIP?!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Computex 2024 is OVER and we now know the entire list of new CHIPS for 2024! We have the M4 from Apple, the Snapdragon X Elite from Qualcomm, the Lunar Lake chip from Intel & the Ryzen HX 370 from AMD. But which one is the BEST chip?
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Apple feel snappy, no My MacBook Air M1 16 GB often feels SLOWER than my old Lenovo laptop !!! So what I hear you are saying is that AMD, Intel, Qualcomm and Apple will be very close at the end of this year, Intel and Apple are no-upgradeable, are AMD and Qualcomm upgradeable ? What will the price/performance be for the four ? I guess that Apple will be the most expensive !
The problem with Apple is that there are only a handful of apps & games that can work on the ARM platform when compared to AMD, Intel & Nvidia. And Apple's superiority over AI has narrowed, if not been surpassed by their competition in 2024 and going forward it's only going to get a lot harder for Apple to maintain a lead if any. However, we all benefit from this competition.
Intel bought SiFive ? …was that a mistake , I DNT think they have. They tried in 2021 i remember that
In late 2020 Apple ignited the competition with the M1, now almost 4 years later we have 4 great chips to choose from. This is why competition always helps the consumer.
Just shut the hell up, because this example of “competition helps the consumer” isn’t actually helping anyone. They’re making these technologies to further consolidate user data and strong arm you into paying more money over time because it’ll be harder to actually repair any of these newer machines coming out with these groundbreaking chipsets. So no it isn’t helping the consumer, but if that’s the narrative you want to portray to feel positive about corporations ran by people you have no clue about. Then do that Lake.
agreed
get 'modern' options if you're still not ready to move over to ARM64
Apple is still kind of in a league of their own, let's be honest. The only one that can somewhat compete would be Elite X
The issue with apple is that its apple
@@amirtorhan2762 lol no, AMD already competes well with apple in terms of both battery life and performance. While not sacrificing upgreadeable RAM or SSDs. Wake up, Macs are no longer gaining market share like they used to.
I'm just happy there's options and competition all throughout the laptop space.
Lots of fine options but my hope is that Apple will finally offer 16G standard memory and make 32G reasonably priced.
Agreed, it's a much happier position than a decade ago when it was Intel galore 😕
Linux on M4 and on iPad would be killer as well as Mac
It seems Qualcomm will face steep battle as imperium strikes back :😅
What's ironic though is unlike Apple, Intel offers 16 gigs standard. Granted it only ends at 32 gigs this time.@@TechOverwrite
I wonder if the intel chips will run x86 apps faster than the others because they use emulation?
I think you already know the answer to that.
There are no m4 laptops.
Thats like comparing the m4 to competitors uocoming chio thats not out yet.
We have m1 m2 and m3 airs out now lets compare rhem.
Intel didnt copy Apple's strategy, they are copying AMD's strategy of using TSMC, but they'll use their own foundry for panther lake
Intel and AMD will definitely have their share of the market. TSMC is at max capacity and investing in other semiconductor companies will be an absolute power move, I keep increasing my shares manageably. Different chips are good at different things and Nvidia has been very specialised, which leaves other aspects of Al open.
This is the type of in-depth detail on the semiconductor market that investors need, also the right moment to focus on the rewarding AI manifesto.
Im unconvinced about intel future. Do you really think nvidia can keep up this surge rate and stream for the better part of the decade?
Of course, i had bought NVDA shares at 300, 475 cheap before the split and with huge interest I keep adding, i’m currently doings the same for PLTR and AMD constructively. Best possible way to get ahead, is participating behind top experienced performers.
I agree, I'm compiling and picking stocks that l'd love to hold on to for a few years before retirement, do you think these stocks would do better over the years.
You are buying a company to own it and not a piece of paper, The market is a zero-sum game (2 sides), Know what you are buying not just out of trend interest.
It's interesting that it took Intel 4 years to recognise their failures.
Not 4 years to recognize, 4 years to pivot. Especially when chips like this are generally developed for a decade, this was a last ditch rush job to catch up
It is institutional inertia, people running the BU don’t want to disrupt their existing book of business, until it is too late. That is how lot of great tech companies end up in history’s dust bin.
It takes 3-5 years to develop a CPU, so...
Apple spend 10 years for developing M1 .... do you know who are the top development leader at qualcomm x elite ? Some former top engineers, manager and so on from apple...
Intel will bankrupt in maybe 10 years, like kodak because they are unable to improve and innovate, they just follow with 4 years delays and try to copy the m1 chip ... and still with x86
They have realised their mistake many years ago, but they couldn't change everything overnight.
Awesome roundup!😊
Hi Alex !
In my opinion it doesn’t matter who is making the best chip.The important thing is that there is competition and competition is in the end always good for the users
I like this manner of Vadim, not hyped, just natural
Intel and AMD are still based on x86-64, so they have 1 less work to do compared to Qualcomm, and I will stick with x86-64 for now.
unfortunately windows is not innovating nor improving from here on
@@qwerty6789x you wrong bro there's new windows for arm
@@qwerty6789xW12 is on the works. x86 is still the best at full power and compatibility; for the rest ARM wins hands down…
@@ricarmig CoPilot is a travesty and I foresee MS in W12 not allowing you to disable it, given their history of monitoring. One reason why I only use my PC for gaming only, and my personal stuff on other OSes.
You're right. Learn from the time when Apple switch to arm. Those early adopters just pull their hairs out when things don't work (even with Rosetta. I expect it to be worse with Prism simply because microsoft has a track record of writing bad software compared to Apple).
Don't pay to be beta testers for the new chip. 😂 Wait for the entire industry to switch to Windows on Arm before you switch.
That tiny gain in terms of power efficiency (compared to Lunar Lake) is not worth pulling your hairs out, especially when you pay for it. You'll end up spending even more time and offsetting that power efficiency trying to make unsupported things work. (from experience).
Having said that, we still need guinea pigs to be beta testers to make things work. I just don't want to be that guinea pig 🙂
The Lunar Lake chip looks crazy efficient. Looking forward to see what sort of systems it ships in.
Intel has been promising a lot and disappointing even more. I wouldn't expect anything from them anymore. The future is clear, and it's called ARM.
Apple defines smart phone, Apple defines tablet, and after 4 years of released of M1, Intel and Qualcomm finally confirm Apple also defines laptop cpu.
Apple defines consumer desktop CPU, the m1ultra was way more powerful than 12900K, m2ultra is slightly more powerful than 14900K.
Apple is the definition of CPU SPEC CPU® 2017
@@PKperformanceEU lol what are you on?
@@PKperformanceEUNo it doesn’t lol. Intel and AMD are still the go to when people build desktops😭
@@PKperformanceEU”Yeah bro for my cpu I’m going for the M2 Ultra” -said nobody ever
@@PKperformanceEUbut the M series have no use case apart from internet browsing, office tasks and audio production… it’s an SoC and comes with all the SoC drawbacks which may work for an ultralight laptop.
The lunar lake chip can go under 1 watt in idle and 2 watt decoding. It is way more efficient then the z1 extreme/7840u/8840u. At most that uses 4-5 watts of power, and 8-10 watts of total system power.
It is way better for laptops if you are concerned about battery life compared to amd.
Just saying the battery life drains too fast on a rog ally and legion go.
Lunar lake is not on the market yet. Neither AMD's next gen.
@@mmo0Jthere has already been a benchmark on RUclips that intel showed showing it goes under 1 watt on idle and 2-3 watts decoding video.
@@oo--7714 Wheres the under 1 watt video? I saw the 2-3 watt compared to 30 watt decoding of meteor lake, but not the 1 watt idle.
@@marcogoncalves1073 was in the pc world video. The intel people had 3dmark on but the benchmark wasn't running, it went from 3 watts down to 0.958 watts.
Hate to break it to you but the M4 is not going to get 972 in cinebench. the uplift in geekbench mainly came from the new support of matrix calculations on the CPU side. cinebench does nothing with that. It will be slightly better than m3 maybe 750
didn't m4 get miniscule upgrade since they got all massive gains and now it is mature platform that can only be refined?
some people here praise x64 as it's the only way forward, but engineers say that we're nowhere near limits of x86, from leaks, zen 7 is supposed to work on power efficiency over the whole voltage curve, so better power managment might be even possible on x86, i don't feel like x64 is the only way to make things power efficient, more like all x64 were designed with mobile in mind, so they are for lower power scenarios
Apple in R23 Cinebench 😂😂😂
@@1Grainer1x86 is essentially dead, Many new Intel and some new AMD chips have dropped support for “real-mode” 8/16-bit x86. It’s virtually all been x64 (more accurately x86-64, an AMD invention) for the last 20 years. And both Intel and AMD have labeled even 32-bit x86 instructions as deprecated or “not recommended” because it’s much more useful to optimize the x64 instructions, so they don’t focus on optimizing the performance of the 32-bit x86 instructions.
@@geoffstrickler so it is essentially dead since windows 7 or vista (dunno if vista had 64-bit version), so you're just proving that this video and comments are wrong
the only reason i know of that windows didn't fully commit to x64 is because most programs would have stopped working, so most probably all engineering stuff that never worked on apple
Let's remember - this is all about battery life, nothing else.
If someone is like me, and works mostly with the laptop plugged into the electricity network (doing programming, gaming, watching videos, etc.), they shouldn't care much about the new chips, only about performance. My current Intel laptop with Nvidia GPU beats the crap (performance-wise) out of any current apple computer and the Snapdragon laptops are not going perform better. I guess about 95% of all computer users should really only care about the performance and not saving a few Watts-per-hour on their machines. If you really care about the environment, there are much better ways to do that than using inferior computers.
Everything blew up all of a sudden.
Amd & Intel conquered X86 APU ecosystem. Apple & Qualcomm conquered ARM APU ecosystem. Nvidia with their own ARM CPU design will entering ARM APU ecosystem next year. WIN - WIN SITUATION FOR CONSUMERS ❤❤❤
Keep in mind Intel isn’t abandoning upgradable memory. As of now, the integration is just for Lunar lake. Arrow lake (desktop) due later this year will utilize CAMM-2 memory. I believe the processor will still have integrated memory such as Lunar Lake as well… so the big difference is that it will not be “unified”
It is likely that all future ultrabook chips will have soldered RAM, and CAMM2 will be only for desktop, gaming, and pro machines due to the expense and the need for a separate board (space and weight). Also, the problem with CAMM2 is that if you buy a machine with 16GB and upgrade to 32GB, you will have to buy a new 32GB board. The 16GB board becomes worthless e-waste, and the 32GB board currently costs $279 (64GB DIMM costs $150).
95% of users will not care about it being modular, especially as it is currently of poor value. The main advantage is that we can get the fastest RAM in these performance machines rather than the current limitations--like no LPDDR5X.
@@ahaimes6320no the new memory. Modules are extremely. Thin. And made specifically for thin. Laptops handhelds etc desktops have plenty of space and don't need thin modules.
Apple could also allow for memory upgrades with these by having soldered unified and slots for camp which would actually be as fast as the sidered unified memory for most things
Instead of going to the SSD when. Memory runs out, it will dynamically use the much faster camm memory modules.
If apple does this it will be huge for consumers and professionals who needs change over time stop waste and help performance.
@@ahaimes6320 I've seen an article quoting one of the OEMs as stating that CAMM2 is actually cheaper to produce due to only one board and less materials being needed compared to the typical 2-4 ram sticks that have existed with DDR; if that's true the high prices right now are probably just because it's new and new always commands a higher price for first adopters. Prices should come down to affordable levels before too long just like DDR always has after a new variant.
A 16 GB board is hardly worthless either as it can be repurposed in another machine that doesn't require more. 16 GB system ram is still more than enough for most computers that are only used for basic office work and media consumption.
The "Best" is too much for me. "Good enough" is better. You can keep the best. I don't need it or want it. And I'm a retired programmer.
Please stop saying tops… there are like 3 people here that actually care about the AI performance.
And this is coming from a dev.
Yeah, that's true. Most of us don't give a rat's ass about TOPS.
True, AI is the biggest marketing con for a while and OEMs are desperate to rebrand to squeeze money from customers.
If you’re a dev you should definitely be integrating ai into your workflow
@@christianr.5868 and how to do that?
@@thecreativepeasant8781 ask ai to write code that you would usually have to search GitHub for, then correct and repurpose it for what you need. Speeds up your workflow
It sounds like Lunar lake might fulfill my dream of playing esports games with an igpu and getting consistently decent frames on low settings. Id love to have the battery efficiency and portability of a thin and light and still be able to comfortably play games
You will need frame interpolation (AI), which reduces the quality. But, yes, if you are ok with artificial frame rates then the iGPU in these new ultrabook chips may suffice for casual gaming.
Esport games usually run already very well on the steam deck so this shouldnt be totally new?
The 780m already gets around 36 fps in 3dmark Wild Life Extreme, the 890m is claimed to be as much as 36% faster per an OEM with its 25% increase in core count and the chips support for much faster ram. That would put it right at around 50 fps. Here's the thing though, it's been proven time and time again that performance in synthetic benchmarks often don't translate to real world performance in games. Intel's top end xe-lpg in Meteor Lake scores similar to or better than the 780m in 3dmark but gets beaten soundly in nearly every game. This is why I believe that the HX 370's 890m will be the fastest of the lot. AMD has lots of experience and optimization in the gaming segment compared to Intel, Apple and Qualcomm.
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤❤
Qualcomm's 1st generation Oryon cores in the the Snapdragon X Elite beats Apple's 1st - 3rd generation M series chips and is only beaten by 4th generation M4 chips. Does that mean... by 2nd generation..... Qualcomm's Snapdragon Dragon X Elite chips will equal Apple's M6 chip? 😅
Qualcomm is only beating Apple when energy consumption is not an issue.
@@dsblue1977 but apple has 4 generations of power efficiency refinements. compare 1st Gen M1 with 1st Gen snapdragon x elite. all I'm saying is... their first go at it.... 1st Gen already matches apples 3rd Gen 😜
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Do you know how long ago RUclips added this feature / if it also works on iOS? Example: if an iPhone or Android phone that hasn't updated RUclips app in 18 months, does double tapping a comment still work
Looks to me like it is Apple, Qualcomm and Intel efficiency chips for laptops and 2-in-1s and the x86 chip still for power desktops. For me if I upgrade this fall it will be Windows (Snapdragon or Intel).
Your estimated chart showed the Intel iGPU being faster than AMD... 😂
It's good news. Less power consumption is always good. I would never buy an Apple product because I don't like their OS and especially loathe the company and its policies. That being said, they make good products
This is the most exciting time to consider upgrading my PC I have experienced in years. The Qualcomm Windows announcement is in a word, fantastic! But then I watched the Intel Lunar Lake SOC announcement and Wow. I did not expect this level of advancement from Intel this year. I was thinking of upgrading in a couple of years, but with Intel Lunar Lake and Microsoft Windows 11 Copilot+ PC announcements, I am looking for an upgrade to my Windows 11 laptop later this year. For me things can only get better from here. I just hope the promise of AI on Windows 11 PCs shows real progress.
To my way of thinking software developers will have a priority to develop AI apps for X86 with an eye on ARM Windows development. But I would think most will let emulation be the bridge to ARM for the time being. In my case the Microsoft Windows 11 Copilot+ PC and Intel Lunar Lake SOC platform are the best of the best for thin and light laptops. However, I will have to wait to see how the Windows 11 PC makers design for the new world of Microsoft Windows 11 Copilot+ PCs.
I'm genuinely looking forward to Lunar Lake laptops.
I really hope Snapdragon X takes off this time so it makes it worthwhile for developers. For the small chance that then Apple would bring back bootcamp for a native Windows experience on Mac again.
Unless Mac sales crash it will never happen.
@@Vashei it doesnt take a crash. Its a feature that helps to steal hardware sales from Windows. MacOS still only has a 14% market share while Windows is at 70% +. The same applies today as it did in 2007. And since laptop and desktop sales have been stagnant, its the perfect time to do so if Arm based Windows takes off. That being said, if Snapdragon ends up a flop, no point in doing so.
@@bort7258 you can not compare the situations. Besides battery runtime there was NO advantage for Apple. And with Snapdragon there IS NO advantage for Apple. If you pay the same money as for Apple hardware - e.g. Microsoft Surface - you a much better experience on the Micosoft side. Sad bad true. Would have liked an Apple Surface Studio... but there was never one. So I switched to Windows after 25 years using only Macs ... (beside Server stuff)
@@kaptnwelpe5322 For me and many of my peers and co-workers, running Windows natively via bootcamp on our Intel MacBook Pro's was a much better experience vs using Windows on our ThinkPads. In fact, I knew several that got MacBooks just to run Windows all the time via BC and never boot into MacOS. I fail to see why this can't be the same today if ARM takes off this time and Win developers support the platform. Touch interface on a laptop is not crucial to a great Windows experience as there are still a ton of Windows laptops that ship today without touch enabled screens. I currently use Windows 9 to 5 / mon to Friday, have a touch enabled HP work laptop and can't remember the last time my hands used the screen to navigate. For a niche group of people that require input via touch, perhaps so, but that would not be the MacOS target market, rather iPadOS. The Surface Studio is quite the niche product. Pretty fantastic for certain use cases and very well designed and engineered, but still niche and doesn't portray a typical Windows user. Even MS knows this and is why they are super slow to update them with the current one shipping with mostly 2 to 3 generation old specs at astonomical pricing.
@@VasheiI wouldn’t be so sure. Craig Federighi said a couple years ago that the ball was in Microsoft’s court. At the time, Microsoft had an exclusive contract with Qualcomm, which has since expired. Craig F basically said that if Microsoft was willing to allow Windows to run on a Mac, they would be all for it. Remember that Apple is a hardware company while Microsoft is a software company. If Apple can entice people to buy a MacBook by using Windows as a marketing hook, that becomes a win-win for both Apple and Microsoft.
How is that Apple was right? Not at all, now both of them are wrong!
Hey Vadim, Intel also redid their new iGPU too! It's supposed to help much better in rendering, better Ray tracing support, and now it'll properly support XeSS.
Apple, maker of the best flathead screwdrvier. Nevermind those Philips screwdrivers and fasteners.
Let's be real. This is an analysis on RISC applications because Apple and ARM cannot compete in multithreading as well as CISC if at all. That's because they are native to REDUCED Instruction Set Coding. You will NEVER see a RISC run Windows because it cannot perform complex processing.
Awesome & Excited :) Nice video & Thanks :)
1:19 big tease from the big cheese. Nvidia+ARM! That can change everything. Qualcomm is weak on graphics. AMD is heavy on power consumption. Intel is a dinosaur trying to be a bird. Can't wait to see how Nvidia will change the portable power landscape.
2:27 - "basically Apple was right". Nice manipulation. How does this make Apple right? Yeah, you forgot to clarify in which regard this practices make Apple right.
This goes to show , once again , that architecture plays a negligible role compared to lithography.
Now that all players for various reasons buy from mommy TSMC, compare their products on the same node
and cry. You will seldom do this however , because marketing demands different.
At this point in time maybe the average node is N3B , aka the node apple's M3 is built.
Apparently Intel managed to secure N3B
AMD and Qualcomm are one node behind still, at N4.
Or alternatively you can compare chips built at TSMC's N4/N5 , or equivalent which is Intel's "4".
Point is, that though architecture is important, at the end of the day not so much .
But when it's about corporate pride, you will hear Apple this, Intel that , AMD this and so on,
while to be fair the only thing you should be listening to, is TSMC this, TSMC that . At this point in time it starts
becoming clearer that the SOC or processor you will choose is a matter of personal preference more than
a matter of performance or efficiency.
This is stupid .this is like comparing Apple VS Orange VS banana .
no matter how impress apple M4 , you will not see high sell .
still alot limit on windows arm so don't expect Qualcomm will have big sell.
The dangerous thing is that when MSFT finally succeeds to transition to true arm based, it may want to design its own closed system. QCOM will be screwed. The fact that there more window pc MSFT should have the scale to make it happen. These big companies have a tendency to ask little component makers to spend money trying. The question depends on MSFT focus. If it thinks the big money is in cloud services, the resources won’t be 5000 engineers to work arm based code with constant hardware optimizations😂😊. I won’t be surprised if qcom chip will disappoint. Remember that it took aapl a couple years to change it. But it has the desires to do close systems. AAPL charge a premium on the closed system. The company are getting too big to recognize these tiny small technology shift. Why need so much compute power in PC?
nop apple doesn't know what they are doing camm2 memory solves all the issues that the sodimm ram had from decreased performance to but they still used anti-consumer methods and u will know what i mean when u will see how much it coasts to get an extra 8 gb of ram on the newer mac books (200 .... the f***ing a580 with 8gb gddr6 chips doesn't coast that much a whole gpu not just the vram chips the whole thing is 160$) and saying that they are better is not fair apple makes a full os optimized down to the last line of code to make thier chips compite with amd and intel which both have to adapt to what microsoft wants to do even if its anti consumer or just straight up a very bad idea
Snapdragon is amazing, but it's early and not yet widely adapted. Microsoft needs to go all in and use it in all products so OEMs start making software run natively on their snapdragon processor. Right now it's spotty at best.
Learn from the time when Apple switch to arm. Those early adopters just pull their hairs out when things don't work (even with Rosetta. I expect it to be worse with Prism simply because microsoft has a track record of writing bad software compared to Apple).
Don't pay to be beta testers for the new chip. 😂 Wait for the entire industry to switch to Windows on Arm before you switch.
That gain in terms of power efficiency is not worth pulling your hairs out, especially when you pay for it. You'll end up spending even more time and offsetting that power efficiency trying to make unsupported things work. (from experience).
Having said that, we still need guinea pigs to be beta testers to make things work. I just don't want to be that guinea pig 🙂
Apple was not right on no upgradeable ssd and ram or egpu upgrades after ourchase thats their biggest mistake along with 8gb base memory shared with the cpu GPU media engine and operating system and number of monitors used
anf 256 and 512 gb slow ssds.
What are you smoking ?don't encourage these anti consumer ewaste dumb decisions.
Soon new memory modules that are very thin will allow thin and lights to have upgradeable memory .
Dell and others are working in the new standard
'best' for what purpose?
Dont think there's a CPU out there now that's best for EVERYTHING.
Best would be a x elite combined with nvidia gpu, is that even possible?
Intel bought SiFive ? …was that a mistake , I DNT think they have. They tried in 2021 i remember that
Thanks for the video. It's nice to have both operating system and CPU options. Windows runs the office and gaming, MacOS runs the studio and Linux runs the Internet.
Macos doesn't run the studios. Music studios? Maybe. Other than that, windows is dominant everywhere.
@@prianshubhatia2759Creative studios, yes, and more, and it is cannibalising windows. Gaming is also increasing whether you liked it or not. The difference is in the strategy, one is lost and the other is focused.
@@prianshubhatia2759 Windows is not dominant everywhere. There are some industries in which Apple is the standard. Not everyone buys computers for gaming.
@@dsblue1977 ik, but even in professional space, windows is dominant.
People dont understand intel poached apples lead designers to make this chip. If intel didnt do thos 4 years ago it probably would of taken intel 10 years to catch up.
One of the best responsive pc’s i had were dual processors. I had a dual processor pentium 2 that was awesome and super snappy. I also had a dual p3 1000mhz that was super responsive. Todays are fast because of ssd but dual processor pcs could be awesome. And shut off one full processor on battery life.
The vast vast majority use their computers for basic stuff like surfing, RUclipsrs, emails, and simple word processing and spreadsheets. These people could care less about AI and cutting edge processors. Battery life is however very important in the laptop arena.
It is soon possible that Nvidia's ARM chips will also be on the market, competing with Qualcomm's Snapdragon X and Apple's M-series.
Nvidia hasn't announced any Arm chips. Maybe seeing all the hype, Nvidia will also jump on the bandwagon next year.
Doubt it - simple, why enter a cut-throat, low margin market? It isn't much interested in low-mid GPU market.
@@SeanLi-i7n This outdated argument continues to be repeated uncritically by digital influencers within the Apple bubble. This concept is at least four years behind and demonstrates these influencers' disconnect from the current market reality. They are unaware of the high-end and gaming laptop lines, which are far more advanced than any MacBook and sold with good profit margins. Of course, these brands do not operate with exorbitant margins, as their audience is not the typical conformist Apple customer.
They will, nvidia and mediatek collab for making nvidia chip with rtx igpu
IF I could have good performance DaVinci resolve in a low weight low power windows environment Ill take it.
Yes ✋
Good thing then that DaVinci Resolve is releasing their native Arm app for Windows by the end of this month.
Bro actually X Elite have 3100+ points in single core
Where? I am checking on Geekbench 6 and it shows the Snapdragon X Elite - X1E84100 chip (most powerful version) at 2800 to 2900 single core.
Nahh. Most leaked benchmarks are in the range 2700-2900.
That's still quite good for a first gen product running via emulation!
@@ibraheem1224 Even 2200 single core is still excellent for daily office work. 2400+ is overkill unless you are an engineer or EA shooter game competitor.
@@akin242002 Bruhh phone chips are getting 2200 single-score nowadays. Laptop chips obviously need to be better.
For reference, Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 gets around 2300 in single-core.
@@ibraheem1224 They are getting better at an amazing rate, but it's like saying you need rocket fuel to ride a bike in a park. The improved CPU single core performances are great for large CPU tasks, but not a big deal for smaller tasks unless you are in a rush.
It's 2024 and silicon photonics still aren't the norm. Hell, we haven't even broached diamond substrate electronics or glass disc data storage! I'm sorry but this is just pathetic.
I am still using the iPad air 2 from 2014.
I highly doubt that a Samsung Tablet would be this useable after 10 years.
Galaxy Tab s7, s8 and s9 will last.
Lol my S8 is lagging now 😂🤮 @@WarAlex16
@@Akkk117 mine is perfectly fine. You must have damaged it or you have a FE version. One Ui is a great optimized OS for S8 and S9.
@@WarAlex16 The Galaxy Tab s7 came out in August 2020 - OS updates until 2023 and security updates until 2024 - In regards of duration not even close to the ipad air 2.
What do you mean by useable ? Are you talking about Android developed by Google or the hardware developed by Samsung ? Android is at the whim of Google so Samsung has no say in that if Google pulls support for an OS . An iPad air 2 is hardly usable. What do you actually do on the tablet?
this video is completely wrong, so much misinformation. for the ones who is really interested just see some compression between laptops with this cpu, so far amd has better performance and battery than intel and its very comparable to qualcomm x elite and apple m3
Crazy how the M series of chips are so powerfull they for real shut down the competition
What do you mean shut down 😂
Are they powerful enough to correct your grammar?
Not really, but they will keep their market share. Especially in photography where CPU matters more than the GPU.
Nope. Apple has a contract with TSMC giving them like "first access" rights to the newest chip technologies. So Apple has an advantage worth about 1 year. It must be scary for Apple to think about how fast the Snapdragons will be in their second generation...
Yes shutted down, the ever growing android market share at 71,5%, or the 90% windows market share is dominated by the chip?
Honestly no one cares , this chip war is just like 1991 all over again , it proves nothing , it’s all down to apps and operating system, Pentium vs power pc , been there done that , it’s very tiring to hear the same rhetoric after 30 years again .. sigh
We keep seeing various benchmarks where Intel is faster than Apple, or Apple is faster than AMD, etc, etc, but the real world results show how much Apple has worked on integration and system-wide efficiencies. I hope MS take note of this part and don't just rely on brute force of the fastest SoC to get results. This is an opportunity for MS to get rid of some of the baggage associated with legacy Windows and to work with vendors such as Adobe to fine tune their apps to the new SoC's.
Sadly software has never been Microsoft's strong point (which is kinda' weird if you think about it).
I like Windows 11 more than 10, but it's still quite inconsistent at times.
If they got rid of the baggage why would one any use windows ? People use Windows because they know that there software will work on it. if they did what Apple did with their silicon or got rid of backwards support it would kill the Windows Market.
If anything they should have continued the development of Singularity and Midori and instead just launched two OS's one that is the advancement of current Windows and the second being a new OS. This way they could have developed the new OS without the baggage while still having Windows but with limited new features and then eventually kill it when the new OS is up to par.
Might be old-school, but I’d like to see where the desktop chips go
Nothing old school about raw performance
Apple fan boy detected. Onboard memory has been out for a while before apple.
Do people really use this amount of raw processing power of chips in daily usage?
Yes and no. Think about it like this, the power users buy M4 sell m3, the M1 users buy me sell M1.
Also depends if it's ultra pro or base model when consumers upgrade.
When m1 was new the power was too much, now it's normal.
So If I want to buy M1 or X plus I'd be hoping the new stuff sells to the power users so the M1 becomes more affordable
gamers and content creators
The programs will use that stuff, windows and other programs will be adapted
bankrupt onta kamo wara discipline poros na la ura ura pag hinaytech mag tira natural in your body stop too much robotizing your body paranoia na kamo!!!
Lunar lake is only for low rnd devices.
I love how Intel is sticking with x86 and trying to bring the best efficiency competing with arm.
why do you love that
@@oldgrub More competition means better products
@@oldgrub x86 has the best compatibility. Besides better performance, there's nothing going on at ARM. You want to emulate everything? Best-case scenario would be x86 becoming just as efficient, not Intel also making ARM chips.
Thanks Qualcomm for bringing up this competition. Is Snapdragon X Elite the only one that integrates with the 5G modem?
The X Elite still lacks a 5G option, and we don't know if that will be available until Q4.
People don’t just buy laptops based on raw performance, I think OS is far more a deciding factor. I have been a long time Pc user, switch to MAC lately, got to say, MAC OS is just better in so many way.
My windows laptop just failed yesterday. Seeing Microsofts plan for always-on AI has put my transition to Mac into emergency mode. If Apple announces an M4 Mac mini and a reasonable privacy based AI development plan at WWDC it will be the end of windows for me.
Which way exactly is Mac OS better?
i mean you can install any OS
linux is an option
@@niveZz-people who buy macs specifically want macOS, not Linux, because of the ecosystem or exclusive apps.
Could you elaborate on why it is so much better? I have been a Windows user (mostly Windows Pro) my entire life and my wife has an M3 Air. I don't see the advantages beyond less software updates and better video editing quality.
whats the point of this video? this is just speculation
once again intel and amd swapping places of efficiency and performance
age old tale
x86 emulation on Windows for ARM still sucks, I have a bunch of applications which won’t run.
What's your laptop? The new MS surface laptop with X Elite?
You just are a very small demographic….everything I run on x elite has been flawless.
Will be interesting to see how snapdragon will be supported in Linux, I would really like a good Synology NAS with such a cpu and maybe clients as well, like a raspberry sized board.
elite x as a stand alone chip might be supported, but i'm afraid that other components of a laptop won't work on linux. as always.
Locked bootloader dude
I would stick with changeable ECC RAM for any kind of server workload...
it seems you were wrong about AMD power usage.
i have hope on intel but the snapdragon is killing it lately
Галиматья. А нет, не так. Маркетиниговая галиматья.
amd 890m will be a monster for handheld gaming
The Xe2 in the intel is insanely powerful. Raytracing that's better than Nvidia is a thin and light is mind boggling.
M4 with 8 Gb ram anyone? 🤡
Forget about all the windows, amd, qualcomm, Intel and soon nvidia CPU ecosystem.
They will one more time increase the hardware-software-driver-OS fragmentation and consequently multiply the infinite numbers of bug that they don't fixe....
If you are not gamer, just go apple.
By apple, there is a tiny hardware-software-driver-OS fragmentation thus less bugs.
Thats BS. As you can virtualize Windows without any problems - going back to a literally working copy of Windows is just a restart to a snapshot where on Mac it could take hours to restore a TimeMachine backup...
Amd best for gaming 😊😊 we need more coolers🔥🔥
What about the X Elite Pro, they
have 2 chips!
X Plus (multiple skus) and X Elite (multiple skus)
Features aside, pricing? That's a big part of the equation.
The Winner of this battle is TSMC 😁😀
I think Intel is trying to hold on to the most compelling reason to stay in the X86 realm. GAMING.
As soon as games will run as good on ARM chips, X86 will be over. By that time, if they don't have an ARM chip ready, they will be in trouble.
x86 will be NEVER over as there are use cases where anything but Wintel is not an option at all. And where ARM should have had a chance - the server space - got some percents of market share there, but notging AMD and Intel are more worried about them competing against each other. Apple has nothing to offer there and doesn't intend to do so - otherwise their engineers wouldn't have left and wound up at Qualcom.
@@kaptnwelpe5322 It's all about profit. If gaming will go ARM, then the vast majority of users (95%) will abandon X86.
Gaming - ARM
Portability, efficiency, battery life - ARM
What's left for Intel X86? Maybe servers.
Will see if that's worth keeping X86 alive.
It's some years away, but the path is clear...
@@kaptnwelpe5322 If consumers and businesses continue to move to ARM, X86 will become less profitable, and Intelk will face pressure from shareholders to move to ARM. The estimate by Qualcomm that in 5 years they will have 50% of the market share would almost certainly be the final nail in the coffin of X86.
no one uses npus for anything atm
These are definitively exciting times!
Apple took the lead because they ditched 32 bit apps in favor of optimal design for new software. It was bold, but it definitely payed off.
A point that should be made when discussing the ability of the various CPUs/SOCs to run AI is the implementation within the computers which incorporate them.
None of the Windows based laptops announced to date have enough onboard resources to run very large LLMs. It doesn't matter how fast the NPU is when the computer doesn't have enough RAM to load and process the LLM.
If you want a laptop that can run the LLMs having higher accuracy rates, then your best option is the MacBook Pro M3 MAX (or the M4 MAX version when it ships) with 16-core CPU, 40-core GPU, and 128GB RAM (or better, depending on options available with the M4).
Microsoft demanded NPUs on all windows machines because they want to run them full time spying (uh “learning”) on all users. If this spying can’t be turned off I will never run a windows computer again.
For all of us with IP to protect, we will run quantized models not much bigger than they need to be to understand our voices and the apps we run.
You mean for right now. Later, it all changes.
Thats BS. WHO on earth uses a Mac for AI seriously with NO Cuda-support at all?? And: for interference its all about the fine-tuning of the model. Excaclty what Microsoft delivers. Even more so with their ground breaking Copilot... Apple is loosing big time. But they don't care as they gave up the Mac long time ago...
No one is running such large models without Cuda support on MacBooks.
@@ibraheem1224 Yes, they are. These models actually run very well on the more powerful Macs.
Qualcomm has join the Battle😊
Total TOPS is a meaningless stat since no models use more than one device at a time...
Seems like we finally have a true chip CONVERGENCE.
X-86 finally doesn't suck anymore thanks to arm.
Fun fact.. the X Elite has actually been delayed for two years so it uses the "old" Oryon cores.
Next generation will provide huge improvements, with Qualcomm solving the teething problems and gaining experience.
Yeah I'm interested in seeing if we are going to get the next generation of Snapdragon X-Elite being announced later this year alongside Snapdragon 8 Gen 4... cuz this one was delayed for 2 years.
Well when they have the new cores ready, then we will see. There's a reason why the used those old cores. And the industry won't stand static waiting for them to release them.
So the odds are uncertain.
So, does Qualcomm expect people to pre-order based on their marketing materials and pseudo-ads on tech RUclips channels? Why haven't we seen benchmarks conducted by actual users instead of the performance numbers that Qualcomm wants to believe their processors can achieve?
The big loser with these announcements from Qualcomm, Intel, and AMD is Apple, which will no longer experience the advantages it has enjoyed in the last three years as the only option for high-performance, low-consumption PC chips on the market. The Snapdragon X has come to share space in this show, and who knows, it may even gain the leading role due to its adoption by several computer manufacturers. It virtually offers the same things offered in Macs with M-series chips, such as high performance, low power consumption, and emulation of the x86 instruction set (Rosetta 2 in the case of Apple and Prism in the case of Qualcomm). In addition to its adoption by several PC manufacturers, another advantage of Snapdragon X over Apple chips is that Windows is the platform for gaming par excellence, while the offering of games for Mac is quite limited.
You forgot to mention that Apples M4 is on a newer node and the Snapdragon comes close.... Imagine TSMC offers enough production capacity for all...
I must have missed something, but I did not see any releases by Intel, AMD or Qualcomm that will match the M3 Max let alone the upcoming M4 Max & Ultra! These chips at Computex were ultrabook chips competing with the MB Air, not an M3 Max MB Pro 16, which beats out these easily.
@@ahaimes6320 I've seen a lot of these "but the Max" comments. While the M3 Max is impressive, the cheapest M3 Max MacBook is $3199. That's a very expensive laptop for a niche of a niche. Basically, only sensible for serious video editors who work on battery almost exclusively. All other professional use cases would be better served by some permutation of slightly longer processing times, plugging in more often, and dedicated graphics with broad industry support. Meanwhile, it's all irrelevant to average consumers. They just want inexpensive, reliable laptops with long battery runtimes and performance suitable for casual computing.
Should I wait to buy a new laptop with one of these new intel lunar lake chips or AMD 9000 as I need one by August or should I just buy now? With everything going on I am just very confused?
Wait for Lunar lake it will be worth it :)
@@Magnus0891I think you mean wait for AMD Ryzen 9 ai hx 300.
Ryzen AI 300 will be available early August.
Intel's battlemage is set to match AMD's 890m at a lower power draw
Source: videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-200v-lunar-lake-reportedly-hits-4100-points-in-timespy-at-30w
@@NothingNewNerd would u say that both will deliver roughly same experience? But I mean I seen the first review for new amd chip and they all point out that the computer get very hot
What’s the name of the background music?
but intel uses its power in right way
i9 14th gen+ RTX 4090
can kill each of them
they have the best raw power performance but lags in software integration
Too much reckless power for a laptop. Best to keep reckless extreme power to desktops. Intel and AMD rule this arena.
Efficient power is best for laptops. That means ARM. M chips and Snapdragon X Elite rule is area. However, it comes at a cost of software incompatibility with X86 architecture.
@@akin242002 truee
Snapdragon x plus ❤️🤍
thank you for the great video. i like that your opinions are always objective.