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It amazes me to see every year Asus, Samsung and others using the same crap diving board touchpad and so reflective displays. When will they learn? If you want quality many times Apple is the only true option.
You should do an actual battery life test by running them until they both power off. Percentage remaining don't always scale linearly, sometimes the last 20% lasts longer than the first 20%.
If you're a battery-life focused buyer, you're probably not going to opt for an OLED; so as for proof that Intel is competitive this is fine, but if you really prioritize battery life then I doubt this comparison is really the one to make. Then again; it's a hassle to have a 1hr battery life, but once you're hitting 8+ hours aren't we hitting diminishing returns anyhow? Especially since most modern laptops have USB-C charging ports, and there's almost always a charger available if you really need it, even if you didn't lug around your own power brick.
@@bjarne431 yes i see your point but i also think that the ram Management from apple is verry good and i also think for most people (programmer or graphics Designer) is 16gb good. Like if im doing somthing in blender my MBP is mostly even better with its 18gb than my pc with 64gb
@@bjarne431 that's the bare minimum though. have to consider it's 16gb of shared system and video memory. say 12 for system and 4 for video, it's still quite bad for both ends.
Imho with MacBooks around: was there any reason to get a snapdragon x elite in the first place? Dont you get windows for compatibility? The one thing windows on arm fails at
I really don't think this is a problem for Apple, or that this Intel chip has anything on the M3 in general, being beaten in pretty much everything, the real problem is for Qualcomm, now that a chip is offering the same benefits as the X-Elite but without any of the drawbacks of ARM on Windows, there really isn't any reason to buy X-Elite.
It is a problem for Apple. A lot of Apple silicon macbook sales are from people that just want an efficient laptop that doesn't overheat, sound like a jet engine and has great battery life but previously couldn't get that on a windows laptop. With intel lunar lake, those set of people can now get it on a windows laptop and A LOT of them will switch back to windows, reducing Apple's macbook sales.
@@fidelisitor8953 time will tell, I see where your coming from, and understand your perspective, but in this case the M3 is superior when it comes to performance and the M4 is being released in a week, so I think Apple will be ok, we are also yet to see how intel compares to Apple on the high end, the M3 Max scores as high as a 14900KS in Geekbench and as high as a 13700K in Cinebench 2024, intel has notoriously bad efficiency on the high power chips so we will have to see what Lunar Lake has to offer for that class of consumer. Apple’s graphics are also immensely superior especially on the higher end models, where windows laptop will need to use NVIDIA/AMD cards to compete, all the battery improvements will be erased when the dGPU will switch on, compared to the M3 Max that has the performance and the battery.
@Garrus-w2h I agree when it comes to CPU performance, but the GPU pales in comparison with Apple, also X-Elite will most likely be using translation so that will be a performance penalty, additionally, we know for a fact that intel’s architecture supports dGPUS from NVIDIA and AMD, there is no sign of X-Elite laptop with dGPU. We will need to wait for comparison in order to come to any conclusion, but I think the X-Elite is in trouble based on what I saw from intel today
I don't think so... one of the main reason for Apple to develop their own chips it's a further hardware-software optimization and a uniform hardware architecture across different products, in order to create a better ecosystem. Now you can easily port an app or a game on both macOS and iOS with less effort. Then, reusing the same architecture across different products, helps Apple to reduce production costs taking advantage of economy of scales.
what kind of idiotic comment is that? if companies had their products 5 years earlier they would beat everyone, well done to point at the obvious. If Apple released their M3 5 years ago then Intel would be more f
Apple started on their ARM R&D back in 2005. Steve Jobs had started the project. They had already planned to leave Intel down the since for over a decade before M1 was ready.
@@MeowtronStar Yup I'd agree withthat - it take a long long time to develop your own chip architecture to the point its good enough for mass market. I mean look how long it took Intel to make these chips and making chips is all they do 24/7
Man Intel wasn't joking when they said Lunar lake is the most efficient X86 processor ever. They have finally busted the myth that ARM is always more power efficient than X86.
You watched the video, right? The M3 was faster and the battery in the MacBook was smaller. Yes, it's an improvement on the X86 side and that should be applauded, but Intel is still far behind Apple Silicon.
I don't think intel has busted any myth. ARM is still more efficient as we saw in the benchmarks (M3 & SnapDragon). The best Intel can do is to match the current efficiency of ARM (which is a win for all of us 😄). If they do better than ARM in the future, then the so called myth will be busted. The question can be asked. Why didn't Intel push for this type of efficiency in the past? If they had, they would probably still lose Apple but they'll be huge players in mobile (which is currently dominated by ARM).
@@davidscamerajourneyBehind implies it's the same field. Apple is using ARM which is incompatible with windows, Intel is using x86 which works with Windows and Linux.
Just got a Zenbook S14 as a side machine as a 12-year mac user. For me it’s a win cause what I wanted is a native windows machine that can perform on par with my mac in terms of experience I.e. thermal management, overall responsiveness and battery life. The machine seems to address all the pain points, no more 2-hr shitty battery life from intel, I see this as a total win.
Amazing what a little competition can do. Thank you Apple for bringing competition to Intel, and thank you Intel for making a killer x86 CPU with great battery time. Now Apple has to bring the next competitive advantage to their CPU and continue with this beneficial competition.
@@Skaratak m1max is arm v8.5. Yes even v8.6 has several key intrinsics over 8.5 like bfloat16, enhanced SVE, enhanced MTE, new Load store intrinsics, but arm v9: SVE2, SHA 256 512 extensions, branch target, rdnr, SVE2 SME SME2 and enhanced atomics which are most important for AI and matrix calculations both fp and int. New m4 family will be soo much better for video editing due to new intrins. I will buy m4pro or may be max for sure
@@PKperformanceEU Don't expect more than a 10-15% boost in raw CPU performance. Apple doesn't need to make it more powerful, it's already competitive. It will be easier for them to increase performance for the M5 by keeping it lower now
AMD is actually way behind now, Intel is back baby, finally. The Snapdragon chips are a sorry joke at this point, Intel just crushed them into pieces with this chip.
@@ar1su Do more research mate. You can watch Max Tech reviews on this channel... X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind the M3 lol
@@ar1suyou are incorrect and you know you are and don't get me started with the screen off time snapdragon already proved it's the architecture so you can't try to pull one on Microsoft 😭 and every time Intel tries to gaslight us into thinking their old ass architecture can be more efficient then arm they always fail and I laugh every time because as much as they've done to hurt us and screw us over,people like you still keep coming back to them it's like a cult it's like someone close to you lying to you over and over again and you still trust them 😂
You tested it with the power supply disconnected, where Windows laptops have standard reduced performance parameters when running on battery. Did you set the Asus settings to maximum performance on battery and then start the test? Or were these tests on the standard performance settings in this laptop? I'm not asking about the MacBook, because it runs on full parameters regardless of whether it's running on battery or power.
nvm guys, seems like the base model of M4 MBP will have 16GB of RAM. Original comment: The $1300 (actual price at Amazon) M3 MBP beats the Zenbook at almost every test, but you still consider the Zenbook wins in terms of value since it has 32GB of RAM and 1TB SSD. That's an interesting conclusion. Speaking of the value, let's wait and compare the resell value of both laptops after 2 or 3 years. (Resell value is to quantitatively compare the laptops’ quality and support in the long run, why it’s so hard for some people to understand?)
No need to resell any of those for the next 5 years... for most users. Still, I think these nrw windows laptops are overpriced. 1k max. Ram and ssd are cheap, but mac has basically a 3050 gpu and mini led on board plus better TouchPad, speakers and webcam
Well if you run things that actually need that ram im pretty sure you will see a VERY different result. I am playing around with running AI locally, currently using a ~20gb model - that would perform like dogshit on ANY 8gb computer lol. Now i wish intel would offer 64gb lunar lake… :-) That 8gb macbook cant even use all features in the latest xcode due to the low ram. In other words: whichever way you look at it: 8gb is an insult for professional use today. Now im aware there is an m4 refresh coming, that will improve the mac value outlook a lot (if the ram rumours are right)
@@bjarne431 8gb is an insult for web browsing nowadays. it could have a cpu that's a hundred times faster, it would still be worse to use than something normal with 32gb of ram.
@@bjarne431 Fact is most people don't play LLMs, and if you do, it's worth to invest a more powerful PC or a Mac with more RAM. Some people buy $6000 Mac Studio with 192GB unified memory for training or fine-tuning because that's the cheapest way to get large VRAM.
What makes this impressive is that this is their base 8-core chip series (Arrow Lake coming soon). And the main thing: it's using a full-blown x86 architecture. I love Apple's M chips, and am looking forward to their M4 series (I'm sure it will be amazing). But we all benefit from real competition. Bravo, Intel 👏
I'm noticing that it looks like there's a Windows update pending on the ASUS with that orange dot in the task bar. I'm certain that sometimes when I get one of those, my computer slows down considerably. Why would you run this comparison with a pending OS update? In future head-to-heads, I think it would be important for you to mention which version of OS each computer is running. And to ensure that any Windows machine is not in a pending update status. Please feel free to correct me if anything I've mentioned here is incorrect or uninformed.
@@Julian_0500 does it tho? I have never once noted a performance hit Then again I do have a 4090, 7950x3d, and 128gb ddr5 ram with 16tb (2 8tb) nvme ssd storage So maybe just maybe my pc is powerful enough there isn’t a noticeable performance hit
Although I’m a long time Apple fan, I bought the ASUS Zenbook Duo with i9, 32Gb memory and 1Tb hard drive, for performance and ergonomics reasons. It’s powerful and light. And those dual touch screens, both OLED, are so practical and never cease to amaze when I take it out in public ! It’s phenomenal.
@@AndyJMacLeod its not competing regards to performance, just getting okay with battery runtime. Apples least powerful M4 vanilla is about to get a ton faster than M3 and i didnt even mention m4pro and m4max.
@@AndyJMacLeod Sure, and I don't like those Windows Snapdragon, for Windows I prefer Intel/AMD solutions. Intel needs good news and this seems to be the right path.
Intel built Lunar Lake as a competitor to MacBook Air, not MacBook Pro. The actual MacBook Pro competitor is called Arrow Lake. Please do a video for MacBook Air vs. Lunar Lake.
The consumer is ultimately the winner here. Intel had to do something about improving the efficiency of their mobile chips, while Apple now needs to abolish the 8GB ram base option and will probably do it sooner rather than later. Whether you are a Mac or windows person, everyone is getting some excellent options either way.
While Intel's accomplishments are impressive, the Mac consumed the same 32% of its battery while smoking it in all benchmarks while outputting 20% more brightness, with a quarter the memory, and not firing up the fan. A couple notes: • It'd be helpful to know the capacities of each battery at 100%. • Intel's brand new Lunar Lake just got smoked by the M3 MacBook Pro just weeks before the M4s are announced.
Spot on! Half the people in this comment section don't understand that efficiency is a function of performance vs power usage 15-20% less performance for the same battery usage means it is 15-20% less efficient This comparison is also to an old base model binned 8 core M3 chip, the M4 chip is already on the market and will be in the MBPro chassis next month
@@luck_champion Source? Geekbench 6 GPU stats show the base model binned 8 core M3 chip in a base model macbook pro outperforming lunar lake in Zenbook S14 Not only is it not "many times better", this industry benchmark suggests it is worse than the old binned M3
@@scod3908 It's actually funny when Max created the first video about Lunar Lake, it's crushed M3 in almost every department. Or maybe he put Macbook Pro for reason ? Because if he put Macbook Air, Lunar Lake will crush the M3 Macbook Air 😂😂
@@scod3908 Macbook can't play many games well because of OS, even with all of the emulation techniques. It plays even less than the Snapdragon. I'm guessing Luck was thinking of plebian uses for graphics processing which would be gaming.
You have a chip manufactured in the same process, with the same number of cores a laptop with basically the same battery. This is probably the fairest competition possible. The M3 won, but the Intel wasn't that far away. GPU tests don't add up, more tests should be done to determine how fast they really are. Benchmarks are not reliable at all.
I know you were testing the battery life at the end of the benchmarks but we all know how bad intel's slow down when not plugged in. These test shoud now be run with both laptops plugged in as I suspect intel will / may perform a lot better
TBF, USB A is old tech with drawbacks and accessory/device manufacturers should have already switched their bluetooth dongles and cables to USB C long ago Logitech and others are still shipping their flagship products with USB A for no apparent reason and it annoys everyone You must really like turning the USB cable upside down 3 times before it works Every dash camera, recorder, drone, gaming device etc uses a microSD card these days. Apple also traditionally heavily caters toward creatives who use cameras and sound recording devices.
@@scod3908 i agree, manufactorers should upgrade to C, but they dont, and its not good for us to suffer for that. While accessories don’t change, computers should come with USB-A. Besides, all the devices you listed with SD card(e.g.: Camera), instead of taking out the sd card, you can plug that device on the USB cable to the computer and work the same way.
@@brenomedeirosdeoliveira4090 I hate having to use the hub every time I want to quickly transfer some footage, or write Gcode for the 3D printer, etc Power cable and MicroSD are the two most common devices I plug in away from my desk Most of my USB A devices (mouse, keyboard etc) are plugged into a desk hub and connect to laptop via a single USB C USB A is outdated tech and there's no great reason for OEM's to be using it into the 2020's
Give me a USB-A. You can run most peripherals off it and they're much more hard-wearing than USB-C. I also like a separate charging port such as Magsafe etc because USB-C is so fragile.
@@adamski101 I had magsafe in 2009, was furious when they ditched it. Cables last much longer when they have magnetic breakaway Damaged several USB C cables but no ports. Have damaged a few USB-A ports over the years (field tech, sheet happens)
As a Mac user, I’m not going to upgrade to a Mac again unless they do something about their pricing that is crazy, in order to get 64GB on a Mackbook in Australia it’s now $7100. Sure the Mac will always have a great build quality has better keyboard and display, two things that don’t matter when you are plugged in to a display. Their performance gap is quickly being lost too and if you have a nvidia gpu it smokes the Mac for video and photo editing. I specked up a HP Zbook with Nvidia RTX 4060 with double SSD at 2TB and 64GB it came in at AU $5500 not to mention they are both user replaceable.
It would have been nice to have run a multitasking test like you do where you compare the 8gb v the 16gb MacBook Pros to see how the 8gb hampers the a MacBook Pro in this comparison.
It is crazy how Asus manages to make oled display look so bad they really need to change the coating even MacBook Air with standard lcd has better blacks vs Asus terrible old touchscreen displays.
You should run a long video file at full screen on both until it is dead. That would be a fair comparison on battery life. I have seen a MBP go from 45% to dead in less than 30 minutes.
@theothernodude3139 No, they are not the same, they are different software, and Windows supports all my hardware, such as printers and multifunctionals.
Zenbook doesn’t have a notch and can unlock with your face! Apple will be able to do this in 5-10 years, as their track record has shown. The review had gone exactly as expected, this Apple ad channel is still heavily biased towards them. This looks like a great trade off for the price, I think Apple should be worried about the amount of progress that Intel has made. It shows that x86 isn’t a dead platform and that it will still have more performance on complex tasks that Apple didn’t tune the processor for, since CISC has many benefits when compared to RISC and that is why it was dominant in the early days of microcomputers. You shouldn’t think that this is something small and Apple will have huge gains in the future, it’s proven that innovating such leaps are very hard and, now that Intel is coping the SoC design to get the same results as ARM, it will be harder for Apple to do it again without finding a new process that changes the architecture.
What a lot of people dont understand from this test is that ARM on PC was called advantageous because of its efficiency and so increased battery life with same work load and that is the reason its used in mobiles too, what intel has manged is actually groundbreaking because now X86 lunar lake is efficient and consuming less power, if they manage to keep increasing the efficiency it might be good enough to go into a mobile. This test showed zenbook at same battery life as that of Apple, you have to understand is that both are chips with different Architectures and having similar performance is groundbreaking.
They don't really have similar performance, M3 is still winning very comfortably in *everything* against this CPU, and it's a last gen chip. It's cool (literally) that they've finally increased the efficiency, but providing performance that's 2 generations behind at either the same or slightly higher power consumption is hardly an incredible achievement.
@@thebuddercweeper I personally think the performance difference between the 2 is neigliegable, like you are exporting a 4k video in video editor and you will be sad because it took 30 seconds more?
@@polaris1985 That misses the point, and there are some areas like web browsing and anything GPU intensive where one would definitely notice a distinct difference.
@@Alex-B2357 any limitations with your machine? I have the sp11 and am loving it. I do hope qualcomm's next iteration of chips are more competitive and more native ARM software is in the works...
I would too if the Snapdragon X Elite didn't have better performance and battery life than Lunar Lake. X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind M3 lol. That's just bad by Intel.
People today dunno how lucky they are, when I was in college, to export a file in Pro Tools could easily take 4-10 minutes depending on it's size and a video file of regular footage could take 12-20 minutes. (and similar to the old CD burning, the more bounces you did the slower it would go next time.) Today you can bounce 12 4K videos in under 2 minutes it's ridiculous lol.
When I was in college at UT Austin in 1980 I sat in a computer science class watching the professor type in BASIC commands at a command prompt on a black screen and I was so fascinated with it all. 😂😂😂 Looking back now, I realize I lived through the Stone Age of personal computing. It would be another 12 years before I bought my first PC, an IBM Compatible clone running on an Intel 486 DX/33 CPU with a whole….wait for it…4 Megabytes of RAM. 😆. The OS was Win 3.1 running atop DOS 5.0. A few years before that while on federal service I used a Zenith 286 laptop. No hard drive. 1 megabyte of RAM. DOS 3.0 OS. Dual floppy disks. Monochrome display. The battery weighed as much as a howitzer. Remembering all of this makes me very thankful for the advances made since then - like this nice Apple iPad Pro I’m sitting here typing this message with. The iPad travels everywhere with me daily and I haven’t been able to function without a tablet for over 10 years now. Wonderful technology. Not like the days I grew up in the 1960’s and 70’s when the only computers we had were mainframes. I was a Star Trek nerd as a kid and dreamed of having technology like they showed on TOS. Now we have a great many devices we use daily that we’re nothing but science fiction dreams when I was a boy. Such a great era of technological progress to have lived through and I’ve enjoyed every step of that progress. I even coded a website in HTML in 1995 back when there were literally only a few thousand websites on the entire Internet. Moving from BBS boards to AOL and then the WWW was great fun back in the 1990’s. Now we have AI. My only concern is that AI will decide that humanity is superfluous and it will find a way to do away with us. The whole Terminator and / or BSG scenarios scare the shit outta me. What is fiction today will become reality tomorrow. If we can imagine it, it has a likelihood of happening. We should be careful what we wish for. Not sure I’m onboard with the whole AI project. But I fear nothing will halt it.
You keep judging black levels with high intensity camera lighting on. Absolutely the wrong way to judge it & will lead to incorrect conclusions based entirely on the effectiveness of the anti-reflective coating instead of the inherent light control of the display panel.
@@blinblinthing that's much harder to do objectively because most people don't use full brightness in a dimly lit room, making the test even more subjective. All laptops have a dimming screen so low light performance is not usually an issue. It's much easier to compare full brightness in a bright room, and outdoor/bright areas is traditionally what this style of test was reflecting (because 10yrs ago laptop displays absolutely sucked at this).
he does an unfair comparision, the lunar lake and macbook pro target different type of people, he should have compare the macbook air same ram and storage with lunar lake
This is very funny. 🤣. He obviously meant in terms of Intel's first try and battery life and more specs and cheaper price. Also, it wasn't that much slower than Apple's which is impressive.
Apple falls short in compatibility with games and many other Windows x86-only software. Additionally, some of us would appreciate having a touchscreen. Getting so close to Apple with x86 is a big win.
Worst comparison ever. This zenbook is equivalent to macbook air. And the MB pro should be compared to a higher spec model like PX13. Serves no one. The Lunar lake thin and light are good MB air alternatives. That's it.
it looks like M4 is the biggest improvement compared to its previous M generation. M4 vs. Lunar would have been a fairer comparaison because of the release date. to my opinion Intel is still 2 years behind in term of performance/efficiency, but congrat to them, what a come back !
@@Sanchuniathon384 Intel wil live eternally if apple keeps current prices, for customers performance per dollar makes more sense than overall performance RedmiBook on ultra 5 125H (32+1TB) costs 1000$ similar macbook on m3 pro costs almost 3000$ market share of apple says a lot
I wonder what the test would look like if Asus laptop was connected to the power source. Because windows/intel power management works very strange on battery, even if you switch every profile to max performance.
I’m confused, you end up praising the slowest competitor. What Apple ends up showing is that there is no difference in the amount of memory when it comes to performance. Intel based computers are selling you more RAM that you probably don’t need. Apple Silicon performance was better in every measure with just 8 Gb. You overpaid that Intel laptop is my conclusion
His conclusion is so misleading. The 8GB MBP has better keyboard, trackpad, speakers, display, and most importantly the performance. Unless someone really needs more RAM for their productivity workload or have to use Windows, I don't see the point to choose the Zenbook over MBP. Not to mention that the MBP will likely have more resell value than the Zenbook after 2-3 years of use.
Lol, that were only synthetic benchmarks. RAM doesn't matter in those. He skipped for example lightroom export times where RAM would be a huge advantage. Many real life usage takes advantage of RAM but you would not see it in the "review"
The value of that extra RAM Will be seen over the next year's as both PCs will have to run larger models embedded in each os update, the Intel laptop will keep up the Mac will struggle
Can you add the RAM comparison usage, the exact software using in windows and max os how it is reflect, maybe on the macbook pro m4 comparison. I wonder how memory compression work between the OS
it's very easy. the m3 isn't magic, and never was. it just hogged the best manufacturing process in the market, while intel used basically the worst, and amd used like one step down from apple. now they're kinda even. so... they get kinda even. idk what's so hard to understand. it was never arm, it was never apple. it was always the manufacturing process.
@@madjoubah6549 Brand new Intel chip with 2020 M1 level performance, compared unfavourably to an outgoing 2023 base model binned chip, this guy wants us to believe it is "highly impressive"? Wait 3-4 weeks for the M4 release and watch the gap widen even further On the plus side, this will force Apple to ditch their greedy 8GB base memory strategy in favour of 16GB which will allow basic users some headroom
Weird video and timing. Intel’s computer did have 32GB of RAM and 1TB of Memory, but still got beat in almost everything against a device with 8GB of RAM. Then the M4 MacBooks are expected to come soon to replace the M3 MacBook with a rumored 16GB as a base. 😬
It's maybe just me, but just for fun and having bench result, I was ready to test with Atlas OS optimisation. Know that is not officially a thing to do, but it's just for the record. just to have an idea
x86 having the same as battery life than an ARM chip while being almost the same is insane. Especially considering that they were destroyed by the Macbook last time.
@@GustavoNoronha It doesn't miss the point, because you're only using those laptops in office where you'd have an outlet near-by and able to power up. Let's say the Intel laptop performed 3x better plugged in, that's an advantage it would have over the Mac that people in the market can consider. There are people who don't care for it, fine, but it's something an open-minded buyer can consider.
I can't think of the last time I listened to someone praise an Apple product for being not quite as good as a competitor. Plus the M4 is dropping this month. It is admirable how long they have stretched out the x86 architecture, but it clearly will never again overtake what is happening on the ARM front. Not on a mobile device it won't. Nice work on the RAM spec tho. Gotta love that part.
@@marcopn1174 32 ram which gets smoked by 8, do better on performance than on paper, Artificially inflating the numbers just to bet reckt by a year old PC which has 1/4 of the ram
Syntetic benchmarks dont really use that much ram. Also, having more ram doesnt automatically make one cpu faster if the m3 is just much faster. I still find it ridicolous that apple charges that much for a 8gb of non-upgradable ram in a laptop. Either make it upgradable or include more.
To get this performance and efficiency out of the hugely compatible (albeit "old") X86 architecture - it's really a great achievement. I can't wait to get a Windows laptop with this chip and run everything I need on it.
Thanks for the comparison video. Please can you also compare Lightroom Classic performance like you used to? General snapiness, AI masks building, export time.
No surprise 258v is an M3 as we expected since intel announcement in june. No smt, ram right next to the cpu, no surprise on battery life. Great to see 258v compared to a vanilla m3, since it is very close in design. And haven’t really seen much comparing these two in graphics. So far only seeing reviewers saying lunar lake is ahead of strix point at the power limits asus set. And old m3 is still even more ahead than 258v. Very nice, and if you want to save some money, MacBook Air has the same chip. For the price of the m3 14”MacBook Pro, just get an m2 pro 14”, it has 16gb and a whole lot more gpu, ports and screen support, better value.
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It amazes me to see every year Asus, Samsung and others using the same crap diving board touchpad and so reflective displays. When will they learn? If you want quality many times Apple is the only true option.
You should do an actual battery life test by running them until they both power off. Percentage remaining don't always scale linearly, sometimes the last 20% lasts longer than the first 20%.
very true.
I would love standby. No one does this.
Usually scale linearly tho
If you're a battery-life focused buyer, you're probably not going to opt for an OLED; so as for proof that Intel is competitive this is fine, but if you really prioritize battery life then I doubt this comparison is really the one to make. Then again; it's a hassle to have a 1hr battery life, but once you're hitting 8+ hours aren't we hitting diminishing returns anyhow? Especially since most modern laptops have USB-C charging ports, and there's almost always a charger available if you really need it, even if you didn't lug around your own power brick.
@@MoireFly Power efficiency also greatly affects the battery loglitivity and the laptop reliability.
Are we gonna skip the part where we say that this Intel chip is great for gaming, while Apple doesn't run anything?
why would you want to game on ultrabook lol
Apple needs to upgrade that 8gb base to at least 16 gb RAM
Honestly that apple calls a computer “Pro” with only 8gb ram is a freakin’ joke. Macbook pros SHOULD have minimum 32gb ram imho
The Leaks abt the M4 mac books say that the bais model have 16gb ram and 512gb storage
@@AraIim a lot better than 8gb at least
@@bjarne431 yes i see your point but i also think that the ram Management from apple is verry good and i also think for most people (programmer or graphics Designer) is 16gb good. Like if im doing somthing in blender my MBP is mostly even better with its 18gb than my pc with 64gb
@@bjarne431 that's the bare minimum though. have to consider it's 16gb of shared system and video memory. say 12 for system and 4 for video, it's still quite bad for both ends.
There is no point getting a Snapdragon X Elite laptops now.
Imho with MacBooks around: was there any reason to get a snapdragon x elite in the first place? Dont you get windows for compatibility? The one thing windows on arm fails at
I think it would be on a different level if we could dual boot windows on Arm into android tablets.
@@bjarne431no why would I want a MacBook if I have nothing else from apple? I don't like MacOS either
Windows OS sucks
@@DustyKingbecause ?
I really don't think this is a problem for Apple, or that this Intel chip has anything on the M3 in general, being beaten in pretty much everything, the real problem is for Qualcomm, now that a chip is offering the same benefits as the X-Elite but without any of the drawbacks of ARM on Windows, there really isn't any reason to buy X-Elite.
Exactly! Windows on ARM will remain a complete dead end, destroyed by intel
It is a problem for Apple. A lot of Apple silicon macbook sales are from people that just want an efficient laptop that doesn't overheat, sound like a jet engine and has great battery life but previously couldn't get that on a windows laptop. With intel lunar lake, those set of people can now get it on a windows laptop and A LOT of them will switch back to windows, reducing Apple's macbook sales.
@@fidelisitor8953 time will tell, I see where your coming from, and understand your perspective, but in this case the M3 is superior when it comes to performance and the M4 is being released in a week, so I think Apple will be ok, we are also yet to see how intel compares to Apple on the high end, the M3 Max scores as high as a 14900KS in Geekbench and as high as a 13700K in Cinebench 2024, intel has notoriously bad efficiency on the high power chips so we will have to see what Lunar Lake has to offer for that class of consumer. Apple’s graphics are also immensely superior especially on the higher end models, where windows laptop will need to use NVIDIA/AMD cards to compete, all the battery improvements will be erased when the dGPU will switch on, compared to the M3 Max that has the performance and the battery.
@Garrus-w2h I agree when it comes to CPU performance, but the GPU pales in comparison with Apple, also X-Elite will most likely be using translation so that will be a performance penalty, additionally, we know for a fact that intel’s architecture supports dGPUS from NVIDIA and AMD, there is no sign of X-Elite laptop with dGPU. We will need to wait for comparison in order to come to any conclusion, but I think the X-Elite is in trouble based on what I saw from intel today
Intel just has to get into the ballpark for Windows users.
If they had done this 5-10 years ago when they had the lead, then Apple would not have been forced to develop their own Arm chip technology.
I don't think so... one of the main reason for Apple to develop their own chips it's a further hardware-software optimization and a uniform hardware architecture across different products, in order to create a better ecosystem. Now you can easily port an app or a game on both macOS and iOS with less effort. Then, reusing the same architecture across different products, helps Apple to reduce production costs taking advantage of economy of scales.
They would have done it nevertheless.....
what kind of idiotic comment is that? if companies had their products 5 years earlier they would beat everyone, well done to point at the obvious. If Apple released their M3 5 years ago then Intel would be more f
Apple started on their ARM R&D back in 2005. Steve Jobs had started the project. They had already planned to leave Intel down the since for over a decade before M1 was ready.
@@MeowtronStar Yup I'd agree withthat - it take a long long time to develop your own chip architecture to the point its good enough for mass market.
I mean look how long it took Intel to make these chips and making chips is all they do 24/7
Man Intel wasn't joking when they said Lunar lake is the most efficient X86 processor ever. They have finally busted the myth that ARM is always more power efficient than X86.
No one wants the g- side chip.
The Zenbook has a higher capacity battery though but it's still very impressive for Intel Core Ultra 2th generation
You watched the video, right? The M3 was faster and the battery in the MacBook was smaller. Yes, it's an improvement on the X86 side and that should be applauded, but Intel is still far behind Apple Silicon.
I don't think intel has busted any myth. ARM is still more efficient as we saw in the benchmarks (M3 & SnapDragon). The best Intel can do is to match the current efficiency of ARM (which is a win for all of us 😄). If they do better than ARM in the future, then the so called myth will be busted. The question can be asked. Why didn't Intel push for this type of efficiency in the past? If they had, they would probably still lose Apple but they'll be huge players in mobile (which is currently dominated by ARM).
@@davidscamerajourneyBehind implies it's the same field. Apple is using ARM which is incompatible with windows, Intel is using x86 which works with Windows and Linux.
Just got a Zenbook S14 as a side machine as a 12-year mac user. For me it’s a win cause what I wanted is a native windows machine that can perform on par with my mac in terms of experience I.e. thermal management, overall responsiveness and battery life. The machine seems to address all the pain points, no more 2-hr shitty battery life from intel, I see this as a total win.
do u think it have better battery life than Mac?
i switched from macbook air 2018. very happy. design is amazing vs. the bezel of air.
The problem with Apple is if you want to play AAA games need Windows. Since I’m a gamer prefer a Windows laptop.
If you're a gamer, don't waste your money on a high end laptop, build a desktop 🤷♂
@@scod3908Can’t haul a desktop everywhere🤦♂️
@@scod3908not everyone has space for a desktop
@@scod3908 Well that's true, but a lot of people are mobile now or quite nomad
thats true.
Apple has been improving on gaming since the last few years. But if you are someone that actively games, windows is the clear choice
Amazing what a little competition can do. Thank you Apple for bringing competition to Intel, and thank you Intel for making a killer x86 CPU with great battery time. Now Apple has to bring the next competitive advantage to their CPU and continue with this beneficial competition.
they do. M4 is built on arm64 v9a and that alone without any litography upgrade would bring 30-40% performance uplift and reasonable efficiency gains.
@@Skaratak m1max is arm v8.5.
Yes even v8.6 has several key intrinsics over 8.5 like bfloat16, enhanced SVE, enhanced MTE, new Load store intrinsics,
but arm v9: SVE2, SHA 256 512 extensions, branch target, rdnr,
SVE2 SME SME2 and enhanced atomics which are most important for AI and matrix calculations both fp and int.
New m4 family will be soo much better for video editing due to new intrins.
I will buy m4pro or may be max for sure
@@PKperformanceEU Don't expect more than a 10-15% boost in raw CPU performance. Apple doesn't need to make it more powerful, it's already competitive. It will be easier for them to increase performance for the M5 by keeping it lower now
@@xfghffhfg apple is the fastest already and no its going to be a 30-40% perf uplift
@@PKperformanceEU We will see won't we :)
Ryzen vs intel vs apple vs snapdragon
AMD is actually way behind now, Intel is back baby, finally. The Snapdragon chips are a sorry joke at this point, Intel just crushed them into pieces with this chip.
@@ar1suIntel isn't even in the conversation now. Lunar Lake has poorer performance and battery life than both AMD Ryzen and Qualcomm Snapdragon.
@@ibraheem1224 you are absolutely incorrect. Please revisit your sources and come back.
@@ar1su Do more research mate. You can watch Max Tech reviews on this channel... X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind the M3 lol
@@ar1suyou are incorrect and you know you are and don't get me started with the screen off time snapdragon already proved it's the architecture so you can't try to pull one on Microsoft 😭 and every time Intel tries to gaslight us into thinking their old ass architecture can be more efficient then arm they always fail and I laugh every time because as much as they've done to hurt us and screw us over,people like you still keep coming back to them it's like a cult it's like someone close to you lying to you over and over again and you still trust them 😂
Finally, Intel might be back in the market. I think Brian Tong reported that very soon the minimum RAM a MacBook would ship with is 16GB.
Engineers who use Autodesk softwares they gonna love Luna Lake
You tested it with the power supply disconnected, where Windows laptops have standard reduced performance parameters when running on battery. Did you set the Asus settings to maximum performance on battery and then start the test? Or were these tests on the standard performance settings in this laptop? I'm not asking about the MacBook, because it runs on full parameters regardless of whether it's running on battery or power.
Most X Elite laptops don't throttle with power disconnected.
Lunar Lake has same performance with power supply disconnected. This time, Lunar Lake change the Windows laptops.
@@stevin2204 That was an answer what I was waited for. Thanks a lot! :)
@@stevin2204 Can you show me where I can find some information about it in Internet?
nvm guys, seems like the base model of M4 MBP will have 16GB of RAM.
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The $1300 (actual price at Amazon) M3 MBP beats the Zenbook at almost every test, but you still consider the Zenbook wins in terms of value since it has 32GB of RAM and 1TB SSD. That's an interesting conclusion. Speaking of the value, let's wait and compare the resell value of both laptops after 2 or 3 years.
(Resell value is to quantitatively compare the laptops’ quality and support in the long run, why it’s so hard for some people to understand?)
lol apple resale value is good because they are overpriced 90% of the time.
No need to resell any of those for the next 5 years... for most users. Still, I think these nrw windows laptops are overpriced. 1k max. Ram and ssd are cheap, but mac has basically a 3050 gpu and mini led on board plus better TouchPad, speakers and webcam
Well if you run things that actually need that ram im pretty sure you will see a VERY different result. I am playing around with running AI locally, currently using a ~20gb model - that would perform like dogshit on ANY 8gb computer lol. Now i wish intel would offer 64gb lunar lake… :-)
That 8gb macbook cant even use all features in the latest xcode due to the low ram. In other words: whichever way you look at it: 8gb is an insult for professional use today. Now im aware there is an m4 refresh coming, that will improve the mac value outlook a lot (if the ram rumours are right)
@@bjarne431 8gb is an insult for web browsing nowadays. it could have a cpu that's a hundred times faster, it would still be worse to use than something normal with 32gb of ram.
@@bjarne431 Fact is most people don't play LLMs, and if you do, it's worth to invest a more powerful PC or a Mac with more RAM. Some people buy $6000 Mac Studio with 192GB unified memory for training or fine-tuning because that's the cheapest way to get large VRAM.
What makes this impressive is that this is their base 8-core chip series (Arrow Lake coming soon). And the main thing: it's using a full-blown x86 architecture. I love Apple's M chips, and am looking forward to their M4 series (I'm sure it will be amazing). But we all benefit from real competition. Bravo, Intel 👏
Yh this was really impressive but took them so long,i love it tho but we need more improvements
I'm noticing that it looks like there's a Windows update pending on the ASUS with that orange dot in the task bar. I'm certain that sometimes when I get one of those, my computer slows down considerably. Why would you run this comparison with a pending OS update? In future head-to-heads, I think it would be important for you to mention which version of OS each computer is running. And to ensure that any Windows machine is not in a pending update status.
Please feel free to correct me if anything I've mentioned here is incorrect or uninformed.
I mean my pc never slows down when it needs an update
@@himynameisryanit does buddy
@@Julian_0500 does it tho?
I have never once noted a performance hit
Then again I do have a 4090, 7950x3d, and 128gb ddr5 ram with 16tb (2 8tb) nvme ssd storage
So maybe just maybe my pc is powerful enough there isn’t a noticeable performance hit
@@TechKerala only if you’ve got a broke spec pc or are a macOS fanboy who hates the idea windows is smart enough to be able to handle downloads
Absolutely true, 100%.
Although I’m a long time Apple fan, I bought the ASUS Zenbook Duo with i9, 32Gb memory and 1Tb hard drive, for performance and ergonomics reasons. It’s powerful and light. And those dual touch screens, both OLED, are so practical and never cease to amaze when I take it out in public ! It’s phenomenal.
This video will be obsolete in days.
Still, it’s nice to see Intel competing with Apple Silicon…
@@AndyJMacLeod its not competing regards to performance, just getting okay with battery runtime. Apples least powerful M4 vanilla is about to get a ton faster than M3 and i didnt even mention m4pro and m4max.
@@AndyJMacLeod Sure, and I don't like those Windows Snapdragon, for Windows I prefer Intel/AMD solutions. Intel needs good news and this seems to be the right path.
Thats the exact reason they posting now :) they get views for intel vs m3, and in few weeks intel vs m4 :)
@@tamasgiczi I undestand M4 Macs are ready to be released this month of October.
Intel built Lunar Lake as a competitor to MacBook Air, not MacBook Pro. The actual MacBook Pro competitor is called Arrow Lake. Please do a video for MacBook Air vs. Lunar Lake.
The performance would be the same as nothing they did was to test sustained performance
@chidorirasenganz ideally compare with the 8 core gpu version. Some tests including cb24 were stress tests.
@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw you but for the same price you’d get the 16gb 512gb version which by default has 10 GPU cores
@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw the cinebench runs were single runs not 10min continuous runs
@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw the Core 9 version has not been released yet.
The consumer is ultimately the winner here. Intel had to do something about improving the efficiency of their mobile chips, while Apple now needs to abolish the 8GB ram base option and will probably do it sooner rather than later. Whether you are a Mac or windows person, everyone is getting some excellent options either way.
That battery life shows that what matters the most in battery life is the process technology ued to make it. They're both on TSMC 3nm.
While Intel's accomplishments are impressive, the Mac consumed the same 32% of its battery while smoking it in all benchmarks while outputting 20% more brightness, with a quarter the memory, and not firing up the fan. A couple notes:
• It'd be helpful to know the capacities of each battery at 100%.
• Intel's brand new Lunar Lake just got smoked by the M3 MacBook Pro just weeks before the M4s are announced.
Spot on!
Half the people in this comment section don't understand that efficiency is a function of performance vs power usage
15-20% less performance for the same battery usage means it is 15-20% less efficient
This comparison is also to an old base model binned 8 core M3 chip, the M4 chip is already on the market and will be in the MBPro chassis next month
That's not true. The arc 140v graphics of Intel absolutely beats the m3 graphics performing many times better.
@@luck_champion Source?
Geekbench 6 GPU stats show the base model binned 8 core M3 chip in a base model macbook pro outperforming lunar lake in Zenbook S14
Not only is it not "many times better", this industry benchmark suggests it is worse than the old binned M3
@@scod3908 It's actually funny when Max created the first video about Lunar Lake, it's crushed M3 in almost every department. Or maybe he put Macbook Pro for reason ? Because if he put Macbook Air, Lunar Lake will crush the M3 Macbook Air 😂😂
@@scod3908 Macbook can't play many games well because of OS, even with all of the emulation techniques. It plays even less than the Snapdragon. I'm guessing Luck was thinking of plebian uses for graphics processing which would be gaming.
2000 euros in europe the macbook pro, and you can't even download netflix.
hahaha apple logic , but let them buy this arm crap😂
You have a chip manufactured in the same process, with the same number of cores a laptop with basically the same battery. This is probably the fairest competition possible. The M3 won, but the Intel wasn't that far away.
GPU tests don't add up, more tests should be done to determine how fast they really are.
Benchmarks are not reliable at all.
I know you were testing the battery life at the end of the benchmarks but we all know how bad intel's slow down when not plugged in. These test shoud now be run with both laptops plugged in as I suspect intel will / may perform a lot better
Dude SD Card is not better than have at least 1 USB A,
it is still very needed today, way more than SD car readers
TBF, USB A is old tech with drawbacks and accessory/device manufacturers should have already switched their bluetooth dongles and cables to USB C long ago
Logitech and others are still shipping their flagship products with USB A for no apparent reason and it annoys everyone
You must really like turning the USB cable upside down 3 times before it works
Every dash camera, recorder, drone, gaming device etc uses a microSD card these days. Apple also traditionally heavily caters toward creatives who use cameras and sound recording devices.
@@scod3908 i agree, manufactorers should upgrade to C, but they dont, and its not good for us to suffer for that.
While accessories don’t change, computers should come with USB-A.
Besides, all the devices you listed with SD card(e.g.: Camera), instead of taking out the sd card, you can plug that device on the USB cable to the computer and work the same way.
@@brenomedeirosdeoliveira4090 I hate having to use the hub every time I want to quickly transfer some footage, or write Gcode for the 3D printer, etc
Power cable and MicroSD are the two most common devices I plug in away from my desk
Most of my USB A devices (mouse, keyboard etc) are plugged into a desk hub and connect to laptop via a single USB C
USB A is outdated tech and there's no great reason for OEM's to be using it into the 2020's
Give me a USB-A. You can run most peripherals off it and they're much more hard-wearing than USB-C. I also like a separate charging port such as Magsafe etc because USB-C is so fragile.
@@adamski101 I had magsafe in 2009, was furious when they ditched it. Cables last much longer when they have magnetic breakaway
Damaged several USB C cables but no ports. Have damaged a few USB-A ports over the years (field tech, sheet happens)
As a Mac user, I’m not going to upgrade to a Mac again unless they do something about their pricing that is crazy, in order to get 64GB on a Mackbook in Australia it’s now $7100. Sure the Mac will always have a great build quality has better keyboard and display, two things that don’t matter when you are plugged in to a display. Their performance gap is quickly being lost too and if you have a nvidia gpu it smokes the Mac for video and photo editing. I specked up a HP Zbook with Nvidia RTX 4060 with double SSD at 2TB and 64GB it came in at AU $5500 not to mention they are both user replaceable.
Macs don't have the best displays. No OLED, no 120hz.
Let’s see how it compares to the M4 in a few weeks.
It would have been nice to have run a multitasking test like you do where you compare the 8gb v the 16gb MacBook Pros to see how the 8gb hampers the a MacBook Pro in this comparison.
TLDR: MacBook still outperforms ZenBook in most areas despite only having 8GB of RAM compared to 32GB of RAM.
Ram doesn't matter in those use cases, but in multi tasking and gaming (not fps, but lags)
It’s a pro laptop with a powerful gpu: Zenbook is a mba competitor
@@josephle2381the Mac they used in the video is an entry level pro model, with only one fan and m3 chips rather than the pro/max variant.
Ram matters for video editing,photoshop and basically every creative task so the fact that 8gb ram mac is performing better than a 32gb ram laptop
And the Mac does so while only costing $700 more for equivalent hardware specs and not being able to play most games! impressive!
Never arrived so early to a Max Tech video
It is crazy how Asus manages to make oled display look so bad they really need to change the coating even MacBook Air with standard lcd has better blacks vs Asus terrible old touchscreen displays.
Was the mac a touchscreen? the coating may be less reflective, but it wasn't touchscreen.
@@blinblinthing and at night you will have deeper blacks.
You should run a long video file at full screen on both until it is dead. That would be a fair comparison on battery life. I have seen a MBP go from 45% to dead in less than 30 minutes.
$700 more to match specs but the base outperforms the Lunar Lake.
@theothernodude3139 No, they are not the same, they are different software, and Windows supports all my hardware, such as printers and multifunctionals.
just his tests, not all people use those apps or tasks
Zenbook doesn’t have a notch and can unlock with your face! Apple will be able to do this in 5-10 years, as their track record has shown.
The review had gone exactly as expected, this Apple ad channel is still heavily biased towards them.
This looks like a great trade off for the price, I think Apple should be worried about the amount of progress that Intel has made. It shows that x86 isn’t a dead platform and that it will still have more performance on complex tasks that Apple didn’t tune the processor for, since CISC has many benefits when compared to RISC and that is why it was dominant in the early days of microcomputers. You shouldn’t think that this is something small and Apple will have huge gains in the future, it’s proven that innovating such leaps are very hard and, now that Intel is coping the SoC design to get the same results as ARM, it will be harder for Apple to do it again without finding a new process that changes the architecture.
i love how they gave a point for connectivity to macbook because it has a proprietary port 😂
What about performance when the pc is plugged in?
What are the battery capacities?
I think intel is doing a great job. Now we've got windows laptops that work almost as efficient as macbooks.
As an M series user, welcome to 2020 Adgale
No one does the speaker test like Max Tech... no one!!!
Ya joking 🤣🤣
Haha thank you! I guess we started the trend many years ago!
What a lot of people dont understand from this test is that ARM on PC was called advantageous because of its efficiency and so increased battery life with same work load and that is the reason its used in mobiles too, what intel has manged is actually groundbreaking because now X86 lunar lake is efficient and consuming less power, if they manage to keep increasing the efficiency it might be good enough to go into a mobile.
This test showed zenbook at same battery life as that of Apple, you have to understand is that both are chips with different Architectures and having similar performance is groundbreaking.
They don't really have similar performance, M3 is still winning very comfortably in *everything* against this CPU, and it's a last gen chip. It's cool (literally) that they've finally increased the efficiency, but providing performance that's 2 generations behind at either the same or slightly higher power consumption is hardly an incredible achievement.
@@thebuddercweeper I personally think the performance difference between the 2 is neigliegable, like you are exporting a 4k video in video editor and you will be sad because it took 30 seconds more?
@@polaris1985 That misses the point, and there are some areas like web browsing and anything GPU intensive where one would definitely notice a distinct difference.
@@thebuddercweeper well web browsing is dependent on RAM too so I doubt 32gb RAM will make it lag, Apple might lag
@@thebuddercweepersince pretty much no one cares about that performance it's quite irrelevant
The MacBook Air would have been a more interesting comparison for me. Please do one of these too.
@MaxTechOfficial can you test battery life as in sleep mode and closed for 1-7 days? How much each of these drain?
Are the batteries the same capacity ?
Just waiting for MacBook air M4 with 16gb ram in base model.
The best laptop money can buy🔥🥂
Sorry to inform you but 16GB in base model is reserved for the M4 macbook pro. The macbook airs will remain at 8GB of RAM for the base model.
You'll have to keep waiting. Maybe the MacBook Air M5.
The title says Lunar Lake vs Apple M3 but it was more over Zenbook s14 vs apple.
You are blaming the laptop chassis?
Returning my snapdragon x ☹️
Why bro
@@user-hl9jq8iz4i nah I’m not returning - but I did only look at snapdragon because of the battery life.
@@Alex-B2357 any limitations with your machine? I have the sp11 and am loving it. I do hope qualcomm's next iteration of chips are more competitive and more native ARM software is in the works...
I would too if the Snapdragon X Elite didn't have better performance and battery life than Lunar Lake.
X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind M3 lol. That's just bad by Intel.
Right? It does make the snapdragon machines redundant. The only advantage the snapdragon has is longer battery life.
People today dunno how lucky they are, when I was in college, to export a file in Pro Tools could easily take 4-10 minutes depending on it's size and a video file of regular footage could take 12-20 minutes. (and similar to the old CD burning, the more bounces you did the slower it would go next time.) Today you can bounce 12 4K videos in under 2 minutes it's ridiculous lol.
@5m5tj5wg "joined 2 weeks ago" are you sure it wasn't 2 hours ago? 😅
When I was in college at UT Austin in 1980 I sat in a computer science class watching the professor type in BASIC commands at a command prompt on a black screen and I was so fascinated with it all. 😂😂😂 Looking back now, I realize I lived through the Stone Age of personal computing. It would be another 12 years before I bought my first PC, an IBM Compatible clone running on an Intel 486 DX/33 CPU with a whole….wait for it…4 Megabytes of RAM. 😆. The OS was Win 3.1 running atop DOS 5.0. A few years before that while on federal service I used a Zenith 286 laptop. No hard drive. 1 megabyte of RAM. DOS 3.0 OS. Dual floppy disks. Monochrome display. The battery weighed as much as a howitzer.
Remembering all of this makes me very thankful for the advances made since then - like this nice Apple iPad Pro I’m sitting here typing this message with. The iPad travels everywhere with me daily and I haven’t been able to function without a tablet for over 10 years now. Wonderful technology. Not like the days I grew up in the 1960’s and 70’s when the only computers we had were mainframes. I was a Star Trek nerd as a kid and dreamed of having technology like they showed on TOS. Now we have a great many devices we use daily that we’re nothing but science fiction dreams when I was a boy. Such a great era of technological progress to have lived through and I’ve enjoyed every step of that progress. I even coded a website in HTML in 1995 back when there were literally only a few thousand websites on the entire Internet. Moving from BBS boards to AOL and then the WWW was great fun back in the 1990’s.
Now we have AI.
My only concern is that AI will decide that humanity is superfluous and it will find a way to do away with us. The whole Terminator and / or BSG scenarios scare the shit outta me. What is fiction today will become reality tomorrow. If we can imagine it, it has a likelihood of happening. We should be careful what we wish for. Not sure I’m onboard with the whole AI project. But I fear nothing will halt it.
an entry level discrete GPU score on the Mac, but can't run games. How embarrassing
It can run games and pretty well the issue is that developers don’t make versions compatible with the arm architecture
@@aldoinfanzon so it cant run games
Thank you for the good, unbiased review. Appreciate it. Quick question - is the display on the ASUS Zenbook a 8-bit or 10-bit panel?
Next time please do real gaming test like tomb raider which is comparable in both laptops
I wish there comes a day that youtuber not always relying speaker test using NCS.
I mean, there are a lot of great non copyrighted music out there
You keep judging black levels with high intensity camera lighting on. Absolutely the wrong way to judge it & will lead to incorrect conclusions based entirely on the effectiveness of the anti-reflective coating instead of the inherent light control of the display panel.
I agree, it's ok to mention the reflectivity, but test them in a dark environment also.
@@blinblinthing that's much harder to do objectively because most people don't use full brightness in a dimly lit room, making the test even more subjective. All laptops have a dimming screen so low light performance is not usually an issue.
It's much easier to compare full brightness in a bright room, and outdoor/bright areas is traditionally what this style of test was reflecting (because 10yrs ago laptop displays absolutely sucked at this).
Finally some competition. Lunar Lake is exactly what I wanted such a shame that I didn't wanted to wait and got a m3 already
Benchmarking in score is ntg, compatibility is the key!
73% vs 15% difference in OS market shares, you know what you need
7:48 what is that temp monitor your using?
Lunar Lake you did it!…slower in every single test. Well done.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
he does an unfair comparision, the lunar lake and macbook pro target different type of people, he should have compare the macbook air same ram and storage with lunar lake
This is very funny. 🤣.
He obviously meant in terms of Intel's first try and battery life and more specs and cheaper price. Also, it wasn't that much slower than Apple's which is impressive.
Apple falls short in compatibility with games and many other Windows x86-only software. Additionally, some of us would appreciate having a touchscreen. Getting so close to Apple with x86 is a big win.
@@xfghffhfg I have a touchscreen laptop, I dont hold a 1.8kg 14 inch 80 degree celcius just to do what a mouse does.
I know it’d be speculative, but it would be also interesting to hear resale values after two years
Worst comparison ever. This zenbook is equivalent to macbook air. And the MB pro should be compared to a higher spec model like PX13. Serves no one.
The Lunar lake thin and light are good MB air alternatives. That's it.
You also didn't run Blender to show the M3's raytracing circuitry.
Lunar lake also has hardware raytracing
it looks like M4 is the biggest improvement compared to its previous M generation. M4 vs. Lunar would have been a fairer comparaison because of the release date. to my opinion Intel is still 2 years behind in term of performance/efficiency, but congrat to them, what a come back !
Yeah, weird times to be in. Intel is now officially a "mid" company with nothing but mid products at this point.
@@Sanchuniathon384 Intel wil live eternally if apple keeps current prices, for customers performance per dollar makes more sense than overall performance
RedmiBook on ultra 5 125H (32+1TB) costs 1000$
similar macbook on m3 pro costs almost 3000$
market share of apple says a lot
I wonder what the test would look like if Asus laptop was connected to the power source. Because windows/intel power management works very strange on battery, even if you switch every profile to max performance.
I’m confused, you end up praising the slowest competitor. What Apple ends up showing is that there is no difference in the amount of memory when it comes to performance. Intel based computers are selling you more RAM that you probably don’t need. Apple Silicon performance was better in every measure with just 8 Gb. You overpaid that Intel laptop is my conclusion
Intel computer’s don’t need more Ram Windows computers need more ram.
His conclusion is so misleading. The 8GB MBP has better keyboard, trackpad, speakers, display, and most importantly the performance. Unless someone really needs more RAM for their productivity workload or have to use Windows, I don't see the point to choose the Zenbook over MBP. Not to mention that the MBP will likely have more resell value than the Zenbook after 2-3 years of use.
Lol, that were only synthetic benchmarks. RAM doesn't matter in those. He skipped for example lightroom export times where RAM would be a huge advantage. Many real life usage takes advantage of RAM but you would not see it in the "review"
The value of that extra RAM Will be seen over the next year's as both PCs will have to run larger models embedded in each os update, the Intel laptop will keep up the Mac will struggle
Fully agree. The Mac is better en everything but the “intel” is the winner. Nonsense. @RUclipsEconomics
Can you add the RAM comparison usage, the exact software using in windows and max os how it is reflect, maybe on the macbook pro m4 comparison.
I wonder how memory compression work between the OS
Очередной, возможно последний шанс показать Intel в сравнении с Apple Silicone
These videos are such a guilty pleasure for me. I know a lot of the info here is skewed, but damn is it fun to be excited about tech
it's very easy. the m3 isn't magic, and never was. it just hogged the best manufacturing process in the market, while intel used basically the worst, and amd used like one step down from apple. now they're kinda even. so... they get kinda even.
idk what's so hard to understand. it was never arm, it was never apple. it was always the manufacturing process.
So, chip design means nothing?
@@robertfloyd4287 he's saying architecture is nothing, which is of course not true.
That’s actually highly impressive, didn’t think X86 was saveable thought is was definitely going to die soon.
Intel was just lazy
If they had released this 5 years ago. Intel will dominate the laptop market like Never before
@@madjoubah6549 Brand new Intel chip with 2020 M1 level performance, compared unfavourably to an outgoing 2023 base model binned chip, this guy wants us to believe it is "highly impressive"?
Wait 3-4 weeks for the M4 release and watch the gap widen even further
On the plus side, this will force Apple to ditch their greedy 8GB base memory strategy in favour of 16GB which will allow basic users some headroom
Weird video and timing. Intel’s computer did have 32GB of RAM and 1TB of Memory, but still got beat in almost everything against a device with 8GB of RAM. Then the M4 MacBooks are expected to come soon to replace the M3 MacBook with a rumored 16GB as a base. 😬
It's maybe just me, but just for fun and having bench result, I was ready to test with Atlas OS optimisation.
Know that is not officially a thing to do, but it's just for the record. just to have an idea
intel is slower in every test, yet you called it a winner? Bravo...
Intel is not slower. 1) it’s a core U7 chip not U9
2) Windows 11 is not so optimised as compared to Mac os
x86 having the same as battery life than an ARM chip while being almost the same is insane. Especially considering that they were destroyed by the Macbook last time.
This is still impressive on a x86 chip which was considered old school. Intel is definitely back with great anticipation on what could be next.
plug that zenbook and do the test again
That misses the point, part of the reason you want a thin & light is to have good performance on the go.
@@GustavoNoronha It doesn't miss the point, because you're only using those laptops in office where you'd have an outlet near-by and able to power up.
Let's say the Intel laptop performed 3x better plugged in, that's an advantage it would have over the Mac that people in the market can consider.
There are people who don't care for it, fine, but it's something an open-minded buyer can consider.
I can't think of the last time I listened to someone praise an Apple product for being not quite as good as a competitor. Plus the M4 is dropping this month. It is admirable how long they have stretched out the x86 architecture, but it clearly will never again overtake what is happening on the ARM front. Not on a mobile device it won't. Nice work on the RAM spec tho. Gotta love that part.
M4 will change the game. Incoming in less than a week
I'm really happy to know there's finally a real competitor to Macbook from PC world, even if it's a year late.
So the 8GB laptop smoked 32GB. 😊 Apple still beat the competition and the OS and ecosystem is what matters even more.
have fun with 8GB in 2024. Awful experience
I'm still happy with my M1 Pro 16’’ 16GB. No need for upgrade.
@@marcopn1174 32 ram which gets smoked by 8, do better on performance than on paper, Artificially inflating the numbers just to bet reckt by a year old PC which has 1/4 of the ram
Syntetic benchmarks dont really use that much ram. Also, having more ram doesnt automatically make one cpu faster if the m3 is just much faster.
I still find it ridicolous that apple charges that much for a 8gb of non-upgradable ram in a laptop. Either make it upgradable or include more.
You had to compare the zenbook s with the Macbook air, not with the pro model
Which wallpaper does the Mac have?
Finally the comparison I was eagerly waiting for
I think the bleed is charming after 6 months, especially in the terminal
Could you do a gaming test on these new Lunar Lake laptops?
the culprit is the mini LED display, the drivers are extremely inefficient, the screen bottom gets really hot
Problem with PC is not the processor or SOC. Its the windows itself...
How about the fan noise, and temperature for Intel Lunar?
At the end it will all come down to Nvidia. Macs have the GPU problem solved, but PCs can't run GPU on battery ...
Apple says 8GB ram on a mac is equivalent to 32GB on a windows machine.
What display settings was in Asus? You need to put that in PCI D3 to get best color accuracy.
PCI D3 would worsen it if anything…
Why hasn't the M4 chip been integrated into MacBooks yet? Are they moving towards the M5 chip?
M4 MacBooks will be presented at the end of this month and will available from the 1st of November.
so, intel, amd > snapdragon 🤔
people may be saying intel performace is bad but the real vision i see is what the next gen is going to be
What about LLM inference tests? It would have been interesting to see those 32GB at work with Intel ARC on Ollama or LMStudio.
To get this performance and efficiency out of the hugely compatible (albeit "old") X86 architecture - it's really a great achievement. I can't wait to get a Windows laptop with this chip and run everything I need on it.
Comparing Hardware of different architectures on different OS's. Nice :)
Thanks for the comparison video. Please can you also compare Lightroom Classic performance like you used to? General snapiness, AI masks building, export time.
video is gonna age so well when m4 launchs
Thank you! A great video!
Size of batteries please
No surprise 258v is an M3 as we expected since intel announcement in june. No smt, ram right next to the cpu, no surprise on battery life.
Great to see 258v compared to a vanilla m3, since it is very close in design. And haven’t really seen much comparing these two in graphics. So far only seeing reviewers saying lunar lake is ahead of strix point at the power limits asus set. And old m3 is still even more ahead than 258v. Very nice, and if you want to save some money, MacBook Air has the same chip. For the price of the m3 14”MacBook Pro, just get an m2 pro 14”, it has 16gb and a whole lot more gpu, ports and screen support, better value.