Why Can't I Use Credit Cards If I Pay Them Off Every Month
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When he says “you need to spend $1000 to get $20 off” is completely missing the point. I’m going to spend that $1000 regardless on bills, groceries, food, etc.. if I can get an extra $20 off then hey why not
Exactly. All Groceries, Gas, Utilities, etc. they literaly are giving you $250 for free, as long as you pay the whole balance at the end of the month.
Exactly. Cash is dead.
I believe the point is that with a card, you're more apt to impulse buy and spend money on things you otherwise wouldn't if you had a limited amount of cash in your pocket or if you used a debit card that took money out of a limited account, thereby slowing, in bit pieces, day by day, your assumed goal of reaching financial independence and building wealth. It's about a mindset, a personal philosophy, and building wealth as fast as possible, as opposed to rewarding yourself with minor conveniences along the way. And, a philosophy of not WANTING to borrow someone else's money now, so you will never NEED to later.
Then you have a bad month and you can’t pay the bill!
@@joevining2603 it's all about borrowing money. Cash is dead. It's about leverage . A CC is a great way to leverage and get more per dollar spent.
I just got $570 back on my card that I never carried a balance on. If you truly pay them off every single month then they are no different than a debit card.
So True.
The point is don't overspend just to get your miles. Spend on what you're already buying anyways, the essentials.
I agree, if someone steals a cc number, the cc company calls you and shuts down the card. with a debit, you could be out of money for a week or so if someone get ahold of it.
And they add a cut out between yourself cash and a thief
They are actually better than a debit card.
Made $800 cash back this past year and paid 0 dollars in interest/fees. 99%of the purchases were essentials, gas ,food ect. Used the cash to pay the card bill. Where and what did I Lose? Nothing.
But you're not doing what Dave says, so you MUST be wrong!!
@@jim.h You're just supposed to follow Dave's advice uncritically. No need to think for yourself or put that financial discipline that he supposedly taught us to the test.
Hey could you share your budget here. Based on the budget we could see how well you did
Exactly - Dave is completely wrong on this one. I use my CC with points to pay for everything I would be getting anyway. I pay zero interest and can use the points to buy some of the stuff I would have bought anyway. I'm not playing the credit card companies - they make their money on the fees they charge the merchants. The Credit card companies are not playing me. I pay ZERO to use their money for 15 to 45 days. I am very conscious of the closing date on my CC and will often wait a few days or even a week to buy something, so I have an extra month to pay for it. I have the money in my bank account to pay for anything I purchase. It's better sitting in my account earning a tiny bit of interest (something like 0.1% annually) a couple extra bucks per year may be almost nothing but it's still a couple extra bucks in my pocket. I have no debts, my mortgage is paid off, I have investments. I don't live only to save money. I live to enjoy the money I have accumulated. I do occasionally, (but rarely) spend money frivolously. I have taken three (what I would consider) expensive vacations in the last 25 years. I do take my dad out to breakfast every Sunday morning - yes, I am paying $25 for something I could make at home for probably $2.50. Once you've taken care of the needs, saved for retirement, emergencies and such, some of the rest can be used to buy the things you want rather than need. I never spend money I cannot afford.
I never claim I will get rich off the points or tiny bit of interest I make, but it's still extra money. By not using your CC and collecting points you are leaving money on the table that you could use for those wants.
Bad credit 😂🤣😂
Getting $20 from spending $1000 with credit cards is better than getting $0 from spending $1000 in cash or debit cards
And if somehow your number gets stolen the money is not out of your bank account.
You will absolutely from time to time splurge more if you have a credit card, compared to not owning a credit card. this is normal human behavior.
As much as people want to deny it, facts/research and numbers don't lie.
It's just an extra temptation in your pocket that you absolutely do not need especially when u're trying to clear a better financial path for yourself.
Maybe Credit cards can be convenient if you've made it in life but not before.
@@sc9433 No, you won't. Don't project your failures disciplining yourself with spending on everyone else.
@@sc9433 I'm 66 and been dead broke at times. At no point did I charge something I could not pay for because I was splurging. Have I depended on them when I needed food or a necessity? Absolutely! Fortunately, I never thought of them as a treat.
@@sc9433 nah, the title is if you pay it off each month. Dave is just being dumb here by thinking people use credit cards as a way to get rich from their cash back. No one thinks that
The one area you are wrong Dave. I’m spending $2K every month and pay it off every month. I get a 2% CASH REBATE ! I get zero using a debit card/check. I have no other debt. Some people have discipline.
I use Ebates too and on double point days buying presents I normally would, got paid back 50. Went to pay gas
What is your net worth?
While it's great that you're disciplined with your credit card usage and can take advantage of the 2% cash rebate, it's important to note that not everyone may have the same level of financial discipline. Using credit cards can lead to overspending for many individuals, and the temptation to carry a balance can be high. The potential interest rates on credit cards are often much higher than any cash rebate, and for those who struggle with managing their finances, the risks may outweigh the rewards.
If youre stupid enough to spend more than what you make thats on you though. Responsible people should not be told to never use credit cards. Responsible people take advantage of every tool they have access to. @@cupcakebrown9836
@@cupcakebrown9836 why does your comment feel written by chatgpt lol
Dave has a lot of good advice but he is just mathematically wrong on this issue. Getting free money for purchases you were going to make anyways is smart and efficient.
Agree.
If you use your card to buy necessities only and pay your card off each month/do not accrue interest... and get ANYTHING back.. be it cash, discounts, travel points (that may or may not end up being used)... not sure what the mathematical problem is with that.
He is not mathematically wrong depending on who he is giving the advice to. If he is talking to you or me he is wrong, but if he is talking to a REGULAR PERSON, he is mathematically correct, assuming the person makes mistakes at a frequency of %1-%12 of the time. Not everyone who considers themselves to be responsible is actually responsible. You would be surprised at how bad the caller could be with money long run.
@@EricSmyth2Christ but I wonder why he won’t just admit there’s a caveat for responsible people. He makes it seem one size fits all.
@@EricSmyth2Christ What Dave SHOULD be doing is teaching people the correct way to be most efficient with their finances. He shouldn’t assume that people will not listen to him and then give bad advice to make up for them not listening.
@@joshzollinger5181 "the correct way" by what standard do you measure correctness? he's stated before it's his opinion, people are calling in on his channel for his advice. it's their life, if they disagree okay, they can do as they please. i mean youre seeking advice from a financial person. you don't have to agree with their advice, and i also don't see him changing his stance. i also think people don't realize the way he always answers the question. there's a certain way he's answering to show why he personally does not advice that.
also why should he not assume that? perhaps you have more faith in people than most. it's usually wise to do risks vs benefits when giving advice/ teaching individuals of various backgrounds/ large audiences. you can't assume that people know to avoid the same things you avoid or that they will even do that to begin with. i mean i'm really curious if you would do that irl. i find that surprising that people have that much faith in others. it's not just something he does on his show, there are loads of scenarios where it is common practice to do this. i see the point he's making, i dont necessarily agree with ad hominems if he's calling ppl arrogant who are on the opposing stance as him
I love how they completely ignored the question...there is no problem doing this
Their niche is steering very financially undisciplined/irrational people towards not being in debt. They wouldn't have this talking head job if everybody could handle using a cc responsibly.
The argument is that people spend more mindlessly when they can charge it than when they pay cash or write a check.
Never did they answer the question. They just immediately got offended that someone would ever question their program, proceeded to call everyone who uses credit cards stupid, and… nope that was it.
and then they wonder why they arent taken seriously by anyone who really matters. lol.
Ramseys only good advice is 'get out of debt'...and a 6 year old child could have come up with that idea lmao.
He did answer in regards to rewards like flights... he did not bother to respond about the 2% cash back nonsense because inevitably 98% of people that try to do this will forget or be late paying the bill before the interest accruement date multiple times and wipe out any "cash back" they may have gotten. Though with all that being said Ramsey is being an arrogant know it all asshole in this video.
Yep. We never said we were trying to "beat" the CC companies. We increasing our personal convenience by using a CC that we pay off every month on things we needed to pay for anyway...and getting a cash bonus for doing so.
@Erati243 except me and others who somehow don't forget because we're not incompetent at life and we care about our money. Cc companies lose money on us and make money off of undisciplined people. They make more than they lose so it works out great for them. I'll keep taking 2 percent back free every month.
Thanks for the advice, Dave. You are not good at math
They did. Banks don't make these offers for no reason.
They have run a search across their userbase and saw that unexpected circumstances happen to a certain percentage of people.
So say 5% of clients won't be able to make the monthly payment and will end up paying the exorbitant interest.
In order for the bank to maximise their take, they want to incentivise as many people as possible to take on credit.
This is not free money. Each month you join a pool of people who take on additional risk.
Some of those people fail to deliver at the end of the month.
The bank then takes the interest, and gives you a minor portion of it to keep taking on this risk.
It's a numbers game. From your perspective , you make money. But in reality those who are dumber or less fortunate are the ones who pay those 10 extra $$.
I would respect Dave WAY more if his attitude wasn’t “everyone who disagrees with me is stupid” have some humbleness sir
I think he just doesn’t know how to articulate his wisdom and gets frustrated. He is fully aware of the predatory practices in the CC industry. He knows that there are healthy ways to use a CC but he knows that 90% of us will be tricked. The smart way is to get a CC that has no fee, no spending requirement, and % cash back that translates to cash that can be used to pay off the CC. Use it like a debit card and never sign up for promotions. Proceed with caution
yes this right here !!!
I think Dave is mad at himself becasue he once did stupid things with money.
@@anthonyiannozzi6777 Could be and he thinks everyone else does too. I've always been really smart with money and retired early. He didn't become a millionaire by just giving financial advice, it's the whole thing. Selling products, writing books, you tube, other podcasts, the whole bag. He didn't get rich by just following his own advice.
i mean he says at 7:51 it's your life, do what you wanna do. if what youre saying is true, than yeah i dont agree with arrogance. he also could just be trying to emphasize how in his perspective, it's absurd to think you will win because of the psycological manipulation these companies do. but hey, it's your life! do what you wanna do!
I love Dave. But the CC is one thing I don’t follow. I love my miles CC. I don’t think I’m beating it. I’m just getting miles for what I already spend. Only pay bills, groceries/anything in my budget and pay it off every month. I just see it as a bonus for already paying what I would normally pay. We are debt free and we went 1st class to Europe with our miles. Flights are the most expensive part.
Exactly, if you don’t keep a lingering balance and consistently pay off your cards, why not benefit from it?
Same. I pay off every week.
I get the .05 percent cash back it’s not gonna make me rich but I make more off them then they make off me so that’s a win in my book.
The ticket to Europe was from the bonus miles for signing up - not because of the points or miles earned on purchases - they are not worth all that.
They will end up making that money back from you when you decide to go to Europe again and book the tickets with the card, plus the hotel on the card, plus a few restaurants- then when you get back you are slow to pay it off or someone gets laid off or the car breaks down.
I use my credit card all the time. I'm a real estate guy so it makes sense for me. My problem is that Dave talks down to people like we're stupid.
why are you watching Dave?
Dave is for people who need to be told to write down their debts and minimum payments, then pay that plus extra on one of them. It's incredibly basic stuff.
He may not be talking to you. He’s trying to help people who lack discipline in their financial decisions. He’s trying to wake them up. He tells people they are doing stupid THINGS with their money. And they are. If they weren’t, this country wouldn’t be in RECORD high credit card debt.
not using CC's is literally just leaving 2-5% discount on the table. just use it correctly and you will literally profit from them
You will absolutely from time to time splurge more if you have a credit card, compared to not owning a credit card. this is normal human behavior.
As much as people want to deny it, facts/research and numbers don't lie.
It's just an extra temptation in your pocket that you absolutely do not need especially when u're trying to clear a better financial path for yourself.
Maybe Credit cards can be convenient if you've made it in life but not before.
@@sc9433 Do you just keep copying and pasting your dumb answer? lol
I'm glad I made it in life 😎 I spend less when using credit cards. I guess it's all about self-control.
If you think you are getting 5%, you are the mark Dave is referring to.
You people do realize that there is a transparent fee for using credit cards? You pay more when you pay with a credit card, "points" aside.
This is hilarious.. They created a fake argument and then called you stupid.
Dave loves the strawman
EXACTLY.
really nice to see so many in here with working brain cells.
NO ONE told them to go buy a fkn yacht with their credit cards for cash back...not even the bank wants you spending beyond your means because if you do they end up losing money when you default. lol.
This exchange convinced me to write this channel off completely.
@@gcc8584I don't think you should completely write off this channel as he can still give good advice, but yeah this was stupid
100% They NEVER said they were in debt. They pretty much said the opposite. Also, I JUST flew to Nashville and Florida, both trip with points from my monthly bills. haha. YES, CC's are getting something out of the deal, nobody is saying otherwise. that doesn't mean you should never do it. I kept waiting for the REASON why that particular listener would regret doing this, they never answered. They invented a different scenario and discussed that.
I think Dave disagrees with the strategy because the temptation to get into debt is so easy. But if you are disciplined and only charge what you would've charged on your debit card then it can make sense for some people: utilities, insurance, groceries, gas, etc. I actually take the 2% I accumulate and apply it to my balance every few months.
Exactly what I do. Works great!
Why would a disciplined money guru watch Dave? You see the stupidity in the argument trotted out by Dave's detractors?
@@nihilisticsoup2919 Because a person that's into any subject is going to watch TONS of different sources no matter how much they know in that subject.
@@Spladoinkal That's irrelevant to the point I was making which is that Dave's channel is squarely aimed at the average American with a spending problem and or an ineptitude at budgeting and general lack of money smarts. Personal finance gurus can state their opinions or "what's true for THEM" on his videos all they like but it doesn't matter because his channel isn't aimed at them, it's aimed at those who need "baby steps". In the early stages as Dave points out it's NOT about maths or learning to play a system it's about emotions and building discipline. If you can't understand this you won't appreciate it from a perspective that isn't yours.
@@nihilisticsoup2919 You literally asked why a finance guru would watch his channel and I answered that it's because they watch all kinds of channels.
I use a credit card every month and have never not paid it in full. Not once in 52 years. I get to use someone else's money for anywhere from 15-45 days. And yes, I get free airline miles. And being a 73 year old multi-millionaire, I can afford all the other costs of vacations. I have also used miles to book flights for friends and family especially when there is an emergency.
So what is wrong with this? One size does not fit all. Your mileage may vary.
To each their own, Dave. I'm a self-employed IT consultant who used to do things your way. I have multiple credit cards that offer rewards, and most do not have annual fees. I just read my 2023 Amex report, and it shows that I earned $1,921 in rewards from purchasing fuel, groceries, and business expenses with the card. You always miss that neither I nor others carry balances and pay ridiculous interest amounts. The balance gets paid in full each month, and I reap the reward of this money. $1,921 may seem like a little money, but it covers my entire auto insurance bill for the year. Who in their right mind wouldn't take advantage of this free money when done correctly? Thankfully, I'm doing fine and won't be eating beans and rice, rice, and beans. :)
Their niche is steering very financially undisciplined/irrational people towards not being in debt. They wouldn't have this talking head job if everybody could handle using a cc responsibly.
Booked a flight on air Berlin for the whole family years back with my cc. That year, air berlin declared bankruptcy, and I lost my tickets. Called my cc company, got refunded. If I paid with cash, that money would have been lost.
Not sure why it would have been different if you paid with a MasterCard/Visa debit card. Wouldn't they have refunded the money?
Debit card you get refunded as well...
Dude, there’s a one in a million chance that the airline goes bankrupt before you take your seat. Bad example
@@Originalman144 I had the same experience with Jet Airways a couple of years back, got my money refunded, paid through CC.
Irrelevant.
Was hoping Dave would actually break down the math of why he thinks doing what the caller suggested was a bad idea. The blanket statements aren’t convincing.
If you don't understand Dave's explanation, you should be watching Sesame Street.
@@stellarocquie7957 We understand Dave's explanation ... we just don't agree with it.
@@stellarocquie7957 Was really hoping for something more than an insult to make your point Stella...
@@stellarocquie7957 ad hominem attacks don’t replace math. Dave’s explanations are usually very great, but I found this one was a bit lacking. You’re welcome to break down the math for me if you’d like, or you can continue to hide to behind the cowardly insults.
He’s just being consistent for people who don’t have control or discipline with debt. So listen here-if you’re vigilant and focused, not in debt and love to travel, GO FOR IT:)
Yes, Dave, the people that pay off the card every month and pocket the rewards CAN beat the CC companies at their own game. It’s the ones that carry a balance and spend frivolously that are getting taken for a ride.
I've been doing exactly that for years
I paid interest on balances for years before discovering that I could get them to pay me instead. Completely changed how I view and use credit cards.
You realize the bank still gets paid every time you use a card right? They may not made as much by you paying it off every month, but merchants pay a percentage of the sale to merchant card processor, and those processors pay the banks for the privilege of the method, many stores that have their own store card usually have a deal where it costs less in those fees if you use their card, another reason they push them, besides the high interest.
@@nukedogger86 Yes, that's how cards like the traditional American Express charge cards (Green, Gold, and Platinum) make most of their money.
@bobv5806: Yea but using a credit card for monthly expenses is gambling with your financial well being. All it takes is one hiccup and you're either not going to be able to pay the full balance or you're not going to 'Want' to pay the full balance. The banks know this and they know unexpected hiccups will inevitably happen. That's why they give you points to keep using it, so when you screw up they'll come cashing you out.
3k a month on groceries, diapers, gas, parking, household items (stuff I'd buy with a debit card regardless) I pay in full EVERY month and pay $0.00 interest and $0.00 annual fee. I get 2% cash back. Dave is TOTALLY WRONG about this one, and calling people stupid because of it shows he's been too rich for too long and no longer can relate to everyday Americans.
He has the numbers. It is great if it works for you and other people who have the mental capacity and restraint, but most don't. Why do you think they can afford to give $0.00 annual fee and 2% hand out. It takes one mistake and everything you made with the 2% evaporates when you have to pay interests. Your 2 % is paid by another customer.
@@mendelian8768 You can just set your credit card on autopay tho. Unless you're living paycheck to paycheck with risk of not affording your monthly bills, there's no way you can make a mistake lol.
I've been in situations where I was paycheck to paycheck. Rented a bigger place and had barely enough income, and splurged on a new camera. Still never had to pay any interest because I don't spend more than I have. That was a situation where I spent almost exactly ALL I had, a hair away from entering actual debt... so definitely a mistake, but clearly not big enough to be charged any interest let alone "evaporate" the 2% cashback. Credit cards are easy to manage just don't be silly with it.
@@mendelian8768 absolutely, I agree with you fully. Why doesn't he explain things with a more nuanced approach then? In his view everyone would screw up, so no one should do it. That's not reality. Why does everything he say have to be so binary?
@@CC-vo7ds From his point of view and what I understand. The cashback and benefits make something with your brain. You are way happier with your spending. When I got my first cash back card, I was spending more then usual. Every time I bought something I was happy about the cashback I got, but I bought more unnecessary stuff then before and it did me cost more then what I got back with the cashback. I have a household account book for years now and saw it and got control over it. But I can see his view point, most people don’t and most people will get fucked over. The banks will also find new ways to control your behavior, so why risking it. I still use it, but with caution and I stopped recommending it to others or talk about the risks.
I waited the whole video for them to make a point and then the video ended
They are against “points”.😉
“You spent 1,000 to get $20”
How much did you get off of paying it on your debit card. $0…
For real
Not to mention, I will often get $50 on that $1000. Then I can usually get an additional 20% value when I actually use the perks.
An extra $20 here and there means a lot more to many of us than it does to millionaire Dave. :)
Are you debt free?
I doubt most people are.
Your playing with debt because you’re making $20 when you don’t have payments on ANYTHING you keep all of your money. I think this guy who has a net worth of over 100 mill knows what he’s talking about
@@connorcoutant2059 I use my charge card this way and not only am I debt free but my rent is paid a year in advance. And I am retired and living mostly off of Social Security.
I agree 100%. If I'm going to spend $100 at the grocery store, why not get 3% cashback on my purchase ? Using a credit card and paying the full balance at the end of the month, makes more sense than paying with a debit card. In this video they are using a bad example of why not to use credit with rewards vs debit. Travel vacations are not the thing to think about when you're in deep debt.
My biggest gripe with this argument is that security of a credit card is completely thrown out the window. Regardless of benefits, I’m not using my money to buy something with a credit card. If I lose it, or somehow someone gets access to it, it’s not my money they’re spending.
The problem with the Chuck E Cheese analogy is that I don't HAVE to spend money there. However, I HAVE to buy groceries, I HAVE to pay utilities, I HAVE to pay for my phone and internet. If CC companies want to give me points for spending money on necessities I would've otherwise paid cash for, be my guest. That's money I don't have to spend later when redeeming for flights, hotels, and meals while sharing experiences with my family and friends. Additionally, what factual evidence did Dave actually provide against paying off CC other than calling his viewers "arrogant"? When you start name calling, you know you lost the argument.
You have critical thinking ability. That's not allowed here...
This is my thought EXACTLY
@@koreypaul6698 🤣🤣🤣
So...just buy with cash. You don't NEED a CC.
@@sharonfuller4391 you're clearly missing the point of this entire debate. Enjoy not earning benefits and paying more because you missed out.
There’s nothing wrong with what you’re doing AS LONG as you charge only things you’d normally buy. Dave assumes that you’re buying stuff you don’t need. He’s wrong on this subject.
He's absolutely wrong. Ive personally saved thousands churning cards with normal expenses. I also know they're normal because I budget for them. These companies make money off of the irresponsible users, not the responsible ones. That's why I get he says not to do it, but he doesn't acknowledge the reality of the perks and protections when used correctly.
Very wrong
Well acording to Papa Dave you are all "so arrogant!" 🤣
He is probably only wrong 20% of the time. … it’s the other 80% he is talking to!
@@Helthurian Prove it? How much did you spend to save thousands? And, if you're such a financial guru why are you watching Dave?
Using a CC is safer than using a debit card directly tied to your bank account and or carrying a brick of cash around with you. You must have the discipline to pay off the balance each month obviously, but there is no problem using a CC. My Amex rewards have been very nice to me.
LOL, I've seen a lot of Arabs and Indians who are like that. I used to work in a store and an Arab family bought about $50 of miscellaneous items. The father took out a MASSIVE brick of cash and peeled off a few $20s to have his wife pay for the items. I couldn't believe it. I handle money very frequently as I often helped in the accounting office sometimes. I knew he had more money in his pocket than what the store had in the safe! I just don't understand people who do stupid things like that.
Me too! Free flights to go visit friends!
Dave wouldn't have this talking head job if everyone were rational and disciplined with cc's and other debt.
Dave reminds me of my stubborn old parents. He knows of only one way to do things and then thinks there's absolutely no other way to be creative. He probably still writes out a check at the grocery store because it's the only method he knows that works.
He is worth billions and you are commenting on his RUclips post. I think I’ll stick with his advice
@@BoRoyale Just because he's worth billions doesn't mean his advice is always correct. His advice is almost always spot on, but he's wrong on this one. Math proves it.
He is a millionaire and you are just some normal person, follow his advice
@@idklol318 If I follow his advice ill be rich. But I won't be rich until im 65. Anyone can get rich. Getting rich as young as possible is the real goal. Dave doesn't understand "leverage". I promise you, he doesn't practice what he preaches. He doesn't teach efficiency which I know he uses. He knows MOST people dont have discipline, so he teaches how the "everyday" person can become wealthy. He doesn't teach what he does himself because he knows the everyday person cant handle it. So he teach the slow and steady method.
@@idklol318 It doesn't mean he's always right......even if he is most of the time.
No one would claim to become rich with reward points. Plenty of people would claim they saved $2-3k per year with points between their business materials and personal bills being paid on time. This really comes down to self control.
clearly 99% of Ramseys audience has no impulse control.
They dont need a financial advisor in here...they need a therapist.
@@Platinum-Ninja That's who he caters to. He's got very simple, basic rules for people who need to hear it. He has to treat them all like they're very undisciplined, because a lot of them are.
@@Wary_Of_Extremes again....davey doesnt just say 'THIS group of people" lmao....he blanketly asserts that NO ONE can win against the banks using CCs. I know he says it son...Ive heard it with my own ears.
just stop posting in my direction...youre clearly not intelligent enough to discern the issue here.
@@Platinum-Ninja I still think he doesn't want to encourage the majority of people who listen, who might think they can handle it but can't. IDK. Maybe he himself is a compulsive spender and he's outright afraid of it and can't be reasonable about it.
You don’t go to Chuck E. Cheese to buy a 75 cent pack of gum for $10. You spend $10 for the enjoyment of playing games, laughing and having fun. The prize at the end is just a cherry on top
Nope. Can't have fun even if you can afford it.
How dare you? Don’t you know that Dave Ramsey is infallible (/s)
Very weird how the entertainment factor is completely ignored. Likely majority of all entertainment we pay for does not provide a physical gift in the end. Has he never gone to the movies, went bowling, rented a jet ski, paid for vacations, went to a theme park, ect. Plenty of arcades that do not give redeemable tickets.. would blow his mind it seems.
“You should not be going to Chuck-E-Cheese if you are in debt.”
Yes I own a similar style arcade for a competing company. We get praised for how great of "an experience" we provide. Sure, the prizes are at a 10% cost ratio but the million dollars in games and development of the location for you to come have some entertainment for your kiddos wasnt free or cheap. Everything costs money. Every business has the right, and duty, to profit. If we dont profit, no one would want to work because we couldnt pay them. Then there would be no fun family entertainment. In this scenario, seems that Dave wants you to sit on your piles of cash at home and not do anything fun with your family.
I do agree that when paying on time your CC and use it only for what you would be buying anyway, it is beneficial. However, the fact that you don't see immediately the impact on your bank account when using your CC, it might psychologically make you feel you have more money than you actually do and hence drive you spend more at the end.
This is the only good argument ive heard so far.
I experienced what you are talking about. That is why I am starting to pay off my CC balance every week! I also keep a spreadsheet of all purchases.
I treat my credit card exactly like my debit card. I never care a balance and never spend more than I would with my debit card. I treat it EXACTLY like a debit card. The points and credit boost are just a plus.
It's hilarious that Dave has the balls to call anyone other then himself "arrogant".
I was just thinkn that..lol
I've learned that many "religious people" are arrogant and hypocritical.
Stone crazy
@@DrWho-jy7lo welp, that's what heaven will be filled with, arrogant people and hypocrites. lol
What are you talking about? He calls himself arrogant and stupid all the time. He simply says he learned from all his stupidness and arrogance and doesn't want all these people to make the same stupid mistakes he has.
Simple answer to the question, if you do as the questioner said, there's nothing wrong it.
I agree
Yes, if you have no other debt.
Yes.
You've COMPLETELY missed the point.
Yes the psychology behind it makes sense. If you get an incentive for spending more, you will give yourself reasons to spend more. However if you pay off your balance every month, then nothing is wrong with that either.
Bro what is this guy even saying. Of course the vacation isn't free (it's just free for me), it's subsidized by merchants who pay the credit card fees when I make purchases with a card.
I enjoy watching Dave. But I very much disagree on this. I have several credit cards with $8,000-$10,000 limits. Do I spend that? No!! However, I do have to pay my bills each month and expenses related to my business. Those have to get paid whether with a credit card or straight out of a checking account. It makes sense to use the credit card without exceeding the 10-15% threshold. And get paid in rewards for doing so. Now if someone can’t be disciplined enough to keep the spending down, or make several payments during the month to keep from exceeding the %, then I agree they don’t need to use a credit card.
If you're not in debt and you're going on vacation anyway, and never carry a cc balance, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using their cc for vacation points.
I agree. Dave says at the end "You are going in debt, but not paying it back by the end of the mind" which completely rules out the title of the video. If you're paying it all back at the end, then you're not in debt, and get those free points, cash back rewards. I worked for Capital One and offered the points back cards...and it's not a trap for people. Especially if you say "You're spending the money anyway, so why not get some back". I completely agree with your statement.
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You are in debt if you have bought stuff with a credit card
@@Robert-cu9bm and not paid it back by the grace period before your interest rate kicked in. If you pay it off before your statement gets sent, then you won't be paying extra. You have like a 5 day grace period when the money hits your balance before the interest rate kicks in. Worked for a credit card company...and have owned one for years. Had to watch this for my finance class in college. There are ways to pay it back and "BORROW" before interest.....
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No, as soon as you spend someone else's money YOU'RE in DEBT.
Doesn't matter when they say you need to pay it back by.
This fucker will surely try to twist ur mind to justify his point..
I think Dave’s approach works for people who are very lost and need some tough love to build financial discipline. For disciplined people who use the card but don’t carry a balance he’s not the right person.
“Disciplined” and “using a credit card” is a contradiction in terms in Dave’s world.
Well put .
to say
accumulating points
as being anti wealth building is a stretch.
I love my …yes. “free” plane tickets and I dont pay a dime in interest.
Agreed!
But you're losing money with the merchant fee. It's always more than the amount of "cash back" or points you make. Look around and find merchants who give a cash discount. It's usually 3%. I eat at restaurants that have the cash discount and save 3% every time. We have gas stations with a cash discount of 3% also.
So discipline doesn't matter, if you're wasting your money needlessly.
@@tdiler12 But you're paying more than all that in merchant fees for using the plastic. You are losing money, and are too ignorant to realize it.
They aren’t answering the question. No one is saying you are going to get rich from points. It’s just a nice little bonus.
I have had at least one CC for 25 years & the only fee I've paid was $10 once because I accidentally did a cash advance. These companies pay me just for my everyday living!
Hey! That's my story too!
It takes great discipline to not overspend. But if you pay it off every month there’s no penalty. Take the points disagree with you Dave.
Exactly gotta pay it one way or another at least get something too.
Have a sudden medical issue, see how well that works out for you.
@STUPID TABLET Trust me on this, insurance companies are in no hurry to pay your claim. They wait you out or starve you out so you will settle for peanuts. Meanwhile your bills will pile up. And yes I have an attorney in my family.
@@alinatamashevich3354 don’t you worry about that. I’m fit and healthy I don’t need to worry about that and if it comes up I’m not worried cuz I can pay it. So no I won’t wait for that to come up
@@alinatamashevich3354 Most doctors offices if you communicate with them will just re-bill the insurance if the claim is denied. In general, let the bills pile up, pay the minimum they will accept and eventually the insurance will pay. I had a medical bill once where the insurance company kicked it back over something dumb, and the hospital sent the bill to our old address, and when we didn't pay it, sent it to collections. I called them, showed where i had already paid my part and insurance said they paid their part, and then they saw the reversal on it, and said that it was their(the hospital billing department) fault for not re-billing the insurance company within the time limit, and so they credited me as paid in full for my part, called the collections agency and told them to drop it. I didn't immediately have to send them a check for 900 dollars, i kept working it out between the insurance company and the doctors office and eventually it was resolved.
Dave doesn't listen to anyone anymore who has mastered some basic skills. Using CC points that actually give cash back makes sense for people who have the self-discipline to pay off the balannce every month. He's more attuned to the beginners who don't have their act togethher with budgeting and self-restraint.
Exactly. He’s a silly individual. The more i hear him the arrogant he sounds.
@@ImDahDude I agree! I use CC to buy things or services that I would buy anyway and then I pay it off every month. At least I get some cash back....I wouldn't get it by using my debit card or cash and I would have had those expenses anyway. I also have the feeling that he sounds more arrogant as time goes
I wish he would say that instead of generalizing his outdated advice to everyone.
I mostly agree. Either don't have a CC at all, and thus no CC fees, or use it for the things you have to buy anyway and pay it off every month. You are not beating the CC company by this 'trick' as Ramsey suggests here at all, they are happy if you do so as they still get to charge 1-3% transaction fee from the company that accepted the CC payment. Of course that transaction fee they charge back to you, but that is regardless if you pay by CC or not, and if you pay by CC you get some of that back with some cards.
And for those people they should absolutely listen to dave's advice. The problem of course is people being able to recognize whether they have the self discipline to not over spend or carry a balance. People's ability to recognize their flaws goes hand in hand with intelligence, those lacking intelligence overestimate their own abilities, which includes their ability to control themselves financially, so those most likely to need these kind of hardcore rules, are the least able to recognize that fact.
For those without debt, and pay off their credit card every month, how is using a CC any worse than using your debit card? If I was going to spend that money (in cash anyway), why would I not reap the reward for doing so?
Totally disagree. Phone bill + Groceries + any fixed costs should be spent on CC. And earn cashback.
One of the few instances where I disagree with Dave.
I disagree a lot with Dave. His audience is for people in debt. If you’re out of debt and building wealth, most of his advice is garbage.
Same here
@@tomorr7176 Can you please elaborate then?
I fail to see how investing %15 into retirement, saving for kids college, & paying off the house early doesn’t build wealth.
@@theoneonly5368 there are multiple ways to build wealth. There isn’t a one size fits all approach. Sure, you can do all the stuff Dave says and it’s a good way to become wealthy. But there are faster ways to become wealthy.
Paying of a house with an interest rate of 3-4% doesn’t make sense when the average return of an S and P 500 index fund averages over a 12% return. Mathematically it makes more sense to invest your money in the 12% returner rather than pay off your house at a 3-4% interest rate.
You don’t spend $10 at the arcade for the prizes. You spend $10 at the arcade to have fun. The prizes are just fluff.
I have used an AMEX blue cash card for over 15 years. I use it for pretty much everything and pay it off each month. I get about $1200.00 cash back annually. To me, it's a no brainer. Yes, if you cannot control your spending or don't have money to pay the card, than don't use it. Dave makes no differentiation between people who have control and funds vs those that don't. To me, I am taking the free money every time. My spending would not change with or without the CC, why not take the cash back? Plus I got wealthy during these years and retired at 56. I will take any advantage I can get even cash back no matter how big or small. Money is money.
Exactly! I do the same thing. I use my Amex for pretty much everything and pay it off in full each month. Last year I got about $800 cash back. That's a win for me. Sure, Amex sends me offers everyday trying to tempt me to take out low interest cash advances, low interest balance transfers, etc. but these offers do not tempt me so I don't fall in the trap of spending money on stuff I don't need. Is this going to make me rich -- no, but I'm not trying to use it as an investment strategy to build wealth.
So, I just had 216.8 gallons of oil delivered, and put it on my Bank of America Visa. It gives me 3% back on fuel/EV charging, and they include home heating oil on that. I don't know how much the bill is going to be yet, but I'd imagine around $650-700. I pay the card in full every month. And I needed oil anyway, whether I paid the truck driver cash, wrote a check, or put it on the credit card. So, tell me again why I'm arrogant, or wrong, for putting it on the card? Sure, getting $20-21 after spending $650-700 isn't going to make me rich. But it's $20-21 I would NOT have, if I wrote a check or paid cash!
Also, the topic is "Why can't I use Credit Cards if I pay them off every month?" It's not "Can I get rich off of my credit card rewards." So, why the bait and switch?
I’ve never understood the argument that you can simultaneously be disciplined enough to follow the Ramsey Baby Steps and pay off huge amounts of debts in a short time, yet not be disciplined enough to control your CC spending. It’s all a matter of, to quote Dave, being intentional.
good point
People tend to forgot that Dave Ramsey has a hidden agenda of his own. “Don’t do that, just buy my books”
You don’t have to buy his books. There’s plenty of videos for free where you can glean the same information. I’m not defending him I’m just saying that’s how I tackled my own debt. Learned bits and pieces from different people and I refused to pay someone (since ni can’t afford it anyway ) to help me get out of that hole. It would just seem to defeat the purpose. But good luck on everyone trying to get out of debt. It’s hard but totally doable:)
If you are following the Dave Ramsey approach with debt then that means you were not disciplined. Do people not understand the absurd nature of their arguments?
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This is ridiculous. If I can pay my bills on time and use my cards for 2-3 years I rack up 400-800 cash back and that pays for my whole flight or hotel for the night and I save money instead of paying out of pocket on it. Absolutely ridiculous if your not in debt
Dave want's you to stay broke so that you come crying/paying to him to tell you how to fix it.
But you paid for the "cash back" and points with the merchant fees. Pay cash at merchants who give the cash discount, and you'll save much more than that. I save 3% on meals, but the "cash back" would only be 2%. Can't you see how that loses you money?
You will absolutely from time to time splurge more if you have a credit card, compared to not owning a credit card. this is normal human behavior.
As much as people want to deny it, facts/research and numbers don't lie.
It's just an extra temptation in your pocket that you absolutely do not need especially when u're trying to clear a better financial path for yourself.
Maybe Credit cards can be convenient if you've made it in life but not before.
I see what you're saying, but it seems like the majority of transactions will charge the same for cash or card. Restaurants have never given me a cash discount, for instance.@@bite-sizedshorts9635
I mean sure, if you only shop at the 0.05% of places that offer a cash discount.@@bite-sizedshorts9635
i bought a washing machine the other day cause the old one is broken and paid less than half in cash and redeemed points for the rest. it was points accrued over a year. i got those points basically for free cause whatever i put on the card i wouldve paid for in cash anyway right then and there. the key is to use the card where you have the ability to pay cash right then and there but put it on the card to accrue points over time. i think that's a responsible way to use a credit card. putting payments on card that you can't pay right away is a bad idea
I think that a lot of the people that get mad at Dave for hating credit cards misunderstand his stance. He thinks it is immortal that the credit card companies make so much money off the back of ordinary people. One way to look at it is that your airline miles and points are being funded by the interest payments from people who are desperate.
He also doesn't like the risk of debt. Yes, if you pay the balance every month then you won't incur interest. But there are a lot of people who intend to pay off the full balance and don't for one reason or another. That's how they can trap you.
It’s almost amazing seeing how this mans rationality falls apart when he’s wrong
When he starting calling people arrogant, he lost me
I like Dave.....but if you pay on time CC s are a good deal......I just got 50 bucks in cash back a few days ago....free money...I do always pay on time....
@@irl8796 They call him 4K because he's always projecting.
@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. its nice getting rewards back every year even if it is 50 to 100$. i put that money in my cats vet savings account.
Sure he said it rough but what he said was true . When your in debt you shouldn't be focused on making your 20 bucks back after spending 1000
Completely misguided, totally missing that people are splurging to spend the ten thousand dollars for two percent, it’s groceries and bills that I would be paying no matter what.
@@theoneonly5368 I think that the point he is trying to make is if I am going to be spending the money regardless, why not put it on a cc and get the cashback and rewards etc. I agree that it is dumb to spend more money to meet a threshold to get better rewards. I also agree that the vast majority of people, myself included, are not responsible enough to pay the cc back every month and not overspend. However if you are responsible and can make it work, its free money. These cc companies do not profit off of responsible people, they profit off of dumb people.
@@theoneonly5368 so go ahead and use your cash for the essentials and get $0 for every $8k you spend.
@@theoneonly5368 Bingo!
@@theoneonly5368 Hahaha have you never taken 1st grade math? $350 is more than $0. So the answer to your question is "in THIS WORLD (reality)".
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Think about it this way. Your annual expenses are $8000. Would you rather get $350 from it by using CC or $0 from it by using cash ?
It's ironic that Ramsey uses the term " intellectual arrogance " when speaking about someone other than himself.
I understand, you win by not playing. But when I’m 18-20, and don’t have lots of money, any bit of cash back is better than none. If it’s money I’m going to spend anyway (and pay off), I might as well get something in return. That makes mathematical sense.
And about playing/not playing “the game”, I’m winning by not paying a single penny worth in interest, while getting money back and/or points. I see that as winning for me, it doesn’t mean the credit card is losing, either.
From my point of view, which is all that matters to me, I don’t care how much debt others are in, they are not me, and I am not them. So long as “I,” the individual myself, am winning.
This has to be an example of straw man argument. No one ever said you will become a millionaire from cc.
Exactly. The point isn't to become a millionare with points. The point is to take my family on trips and experience things I would otherwise not be able to if it weren't for points/miles.
I should have read more comments before I basically posted this same thing about it being a straw man argument.
He's being SARCASTIC!
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Really doesn’t matter if it’s sarcasm or not.
Just plain stupid.
He says that and the million man interview rant every time.
@@stellarocquie7957 No he's not
I disagree with Dave on this. I use my CC to pay everything that I would have paid for anyway and stay in budget. We pay the balance every month. The points earned is like earning interest on my bills. There isn't a bank anywhere that is going to give 3-5% on a savings account.
I agree with what you said. Dave is wrong on the cash back as long as one pays the bill in full every month. I only see his point if someone is saving them for travel points and is still in debt.
Or a checking account.
Excellent perspective, thank you.
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I like Dave.....but if you pay on time CC s are a good deal......I just got 50 bucks in cash back a few days ago....free money...I do always pay on time....
The credit card companies are making little on people who pay in full every month. They’re making big money on those who keep carrying a balance each month. Dave’s missing the mark here.
#1 rule should be to NEVER use DEBIT cards. Don’t expose yourself to the internet or restaurant, gas, and ATM machine skimmer devices. There is no issue with credit cards if you pay off every month. It’s a great way of putting your money on auto pilot when you are disciplined.
True to an extent. If you have a ton of credit card debt , you need to fix that problem by not using credit cards during the time you are fixing your debt problem.
@@jonahsemyonov9985 Yes, zero debt, pay off every month. Only using to NOT expose my cash by carrying it around…
Nobody said they get rich with points. Nice straw man, Dave. If you pay only essentials with your card and pay it off in full, there’s nothing wrong with it. Dave just won’t admit he’s wrong.
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Right he is using arguments that NO ONE is saying 🤣🤣
This is just one of Dave's many "Ok Boomer" moments.
@ Roman - exactly. Using Dave's "logic", if you find a ten dollar bill on the footpath you would be stupid to pick it up because no millionaire said they became a millionaire by picking up a ten dollar bill on the footpath.
I like Dave.....but if you pay on time CC s are a good deal......I just got 50 bucks in cash back a few days ago....free money...I do always pay on time....
I disagree with Dave, I spend 30-40k on a month on my business and Pay off every month and make 50-60K points a month… been doing it for years
Dave doesn't support debt generally. However, what he is speaking about is personal finance, not business.
"I disagree with Dave, I drink 30-40 beers a month in my business and have no problems functioning… been doing it for years"
@@ericsloan858 Unfortunately, when you translate this reasoning to other areas, it quickly becomes fallacious.
@@ericsloan858 That's not a very good analogy
I like Dave.....but if you pay on time CC s are a good deal......I just got 50 bucks in cash back a few days ago....free money...I do always pay on time....
I'm debt free. I use my airline credit card to buy tickets and get free checked bags along with priority boarding. That's the only time I use it and I pay back the balance in full when I return from my trip. It's a mindset thing.
I go out to eat. I go on vacation a lot. I have gotten thousands of dollars of airline tickets with my credit card points. I pay everything I buy with my credit card to accumulate points. I never pay interest as I pay off the balance every month. I do not buy more than i can afford. I am disciplined. I know everyone is not. If you are not, don't do it. I have no debt. Every piece of advice is not for everyone. Do what works for you.
I do the something similar and am also debt free. I use my airline credit card to buy tickets and get free checked bags along with priority boarding. That's the only time I use it and I pay back the balance in full when I return from my trip. It's a mindset thing.
And if there's one thing Dave knows all about, it's ARROGANCE 😂😂
Dave and Co will never address this questions in good faith. If someone is paying their card off each month he would need to explain how it is hurting them financially to really answer the question.
He won’t answer it truthfully because he knows he can’t give a legitimate answer
His answer is and has always been that people tend to buy more when using a card because they don’t FEEL it the same way as when you use cash.
He says it's not worth taking the risk. Basically, debtor beware
@@Poomayne Why do we have to live in a cashless environment, though? It seems that yielding to a cashless environment is just bringing on more control for bankers and other institutions.
His rebuttal to your question is that people tend to spend more when it’s CC vs Debit - which makes sense.
The question should be if you only spend the CC on things you HAVE to spend on anyway (rent, phone bill, mortgage), how does it hurt you financially?
I don't understand how using my points to get my every day household essentials for free is stupid. I understand how using it for a vacation doesn't make sense. Depending on which card I use, I get 2- 5% cash back and points earned, to get free food. I like Dave, but I disagree with the credit card argument. I pay it off every month. I think it's stupid to not use credit cards. Plus, it raises your credit score. I'm in the 800's, so if I ever need a loan, I'm going to get a better rate. Why am I considered stupid?
Dissent: I use my credit card for everything, pay it off every month, but only spend on what I actually need and live below my income. I could use my debit card, but my spending would be the same and I wouldn't get the miles. So why would I not use my credit card?
We know we can only buy a sandwich and a little gas with the points, it was never a plot to get rich
I see it as wen I save my coins, eventually it will build up, better than nothing.
And you get $0 back when you pay $1000 using a debit card or cash. I wish these guys would just admit that they're wrong on this.
Basically destroyed their whole argument in one sentence
yup and there card that offer 3-6 percent like they need to updated their stuff cuz this was made years ago
Or this community can admit that THEY are wrong. The $20 you get at a high frequency is destroyed by the $2800 you pay at a low frequency. Would you be willing to bet that the caller is good with money? I wouldn't.
@@EricSmyth2Christ you seem to have missed the point that the person who wrote in is using a CC on stuff she would have bought anyway.
@@esonon5210 That's completely irrelevant. I am talking about paying interest.
It's abundantly clear that you don't understand how redeeming for travel even works at the most basic level. You can very easily pay for airlines, lodging, rental cars, etc. all with points. Using credit cards the right way isn't a way to build wealth, its just a way to make your money work a little harder for you. You scoff at getting 2% back, but you would also tell someone with a 2% loan to pay it off immediately. Lots of people don't know how to use credit cards reaponsibly, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with them for those that can. Dave is COMPLETELY out of touch on this topic.
They STILL don't answer the question posed by someone who isn't using a credit card to accumulate points or cash or airline miles, and treats it like a debit card.
My friend does that. Dave's plan is very helpful to me because I have a lot of debt, but I do disagree with the credit card argument of using a credit card as a debit card. I do believe that some people shouldn't have credit cards if they aren't responsible.
Always remember Dave is trying to sell you a product. Either his books or his classes. Don’t forget.
And discussing controversial topics to generate ad revenue from these videos.
The sad part you missed is, he gives all of his information away for free. Some people are to ignorant to grasp that. Does your employer do that?
@@user-tu6ty2ui1u Yes! Next we shall take a look at Amazon and their products for sale.
@@user-tu6ty2ui1u oh please stop with the dramatics, you know exactly what I’m talking about.
Your point? He wants to sell that stuff to get it into more people's hands to help them. It is what he thinks works and there is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with what he teaches. It is not my way of life, but it has worked for him and others.
I use my cc for monthly expenses and then pay them off. I don’t have a problem with it. People who have discipline problems need cash in envelopes and debit cards. It’s arcane and inconvenient.
Both creditcards and debit cards work just fine. Cash in envelopes is going to be increasingly difficult with a cashless society. 80% of the money you spend, gets taken out of your bank account automatically these days. You can't even use cash anymore to pay your mortgage, utilities, taxes etc. Heck here the maximum cash payment is now 3000 Euros where i live.
While I agree with you that cash in envelopes is arcane and inconvenient, I think Dave and his apostles have repeatedly claimed that that is the point. They want people who can't manage money to hurt when they spend. It definitely gives me a cultish vibe to hear him be so absolutist. Maybe that's what some of us need?
"I drink alcohol in moderation only once a month. I don’t have a problem with it. Only people who have addiction problems need to abstain from alcohol and drugs. It’s arcane and inconvenient."
So you're paying for your monthly expenses twice. You may not have a problem with it, but the pain of parting with cash makes you want to spend less.
@@ericsloan858 Your changing the example to something similar and using quotes make it sound like you're making fun of the premise, but the fact remains that everything that you put in quotes is 100% true and accurate. There is absolutely nothing wrong with non-addictive personalities drinking alcohol occasionally in a responsible manner.
4% cash back on gasoline purchases you were going to do anyway and 3% cash back on dining you were going to do anyway doesn't sound bad in my opinion. However, you have to have discipline with credit cards and realize/accept that the house always wins.
If we use $6000 in 6 months on our credit card we get $750 in credits. We’re going to spend over $6k anyways, and always pay it off… why not?!
Their niche is steering very financially undisciplined/irrational people towards not being in debt. They wouldn't have this talking head job if everybody could handle using a cc responsibly.
I’ve had CCs since I was 18. Have zero debt, pay if off every month and get cash back / points. You can treat it like the money you already have. The companies charge fees to use cards at places so might as well get some of it back. Also, way easier to deal with fraud.
Are you a millionaire?
you're brown@@deangelo8498
Had someone rip my account off and another close family member for using debit cards. I got lucky bc it was happening online but my family member had her debit card copied and someone withdrew $1200. Their bank said you're shit out of luck
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@@deangelo8498 No, but they wouldn't be a millionaire by using a debit card either. Using a credit card responsibly vs using a debit card responsibly will have absolutely no meaningful impact on the issue of whether or not you become a millionaire. If you aren't carrying debt, you can follow every single one of Dave's plans, tips, and tricks to build wealth all while also enjoying the minor benefits of credit card rewards by treating it as a debit card.
I love Dave and follow all of his teachings other than this one. If you already have a written budget and follow it just like he recommends, but do it with a CC for rewards, you get something back. It's not millions, but it's something... More than you would have gotten from debit. The key is paying it off and still following your strict budget as usual. The problem with CCs is definitely that they are predatory to people who are already struggling, and for that, I would agree with him saying don't use them. Keep up the good work, Dave, but the logic doesn't fully make sense on this one for people who are careful.
Exactly, his real point is that MOST people will fall into the traps, but I guarantee that he understands there is some small benefits if you're careful.
I use a 1% cash back debit card.
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Though using cash (more often than not) nets better pricing.
@@RearviewMirror-ij2pr does it? If a place offers a cash discount I will skip using my cash back debit card. But I dont see the difference otherwise.
Let me add a layer. I travel for business. Airfare, hotels, client meals, etc. My last trip to LA was $4400 that I was promptly reimbursed for. I used of course used my credit card. I earned points and did not use my own cash. Dave thinks this wrong.
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The only issue is if you run up your card and suddenly you’re out of a job…they’re not buying items just because they’re buying groceries and paying bills. Even making $1 is still more than $0 paying cash
Hey Dave I’ve used CC with cash back rewards since I was 18. I’ve never paid fees or interest on my CC. I’m a millionaire by your standards at age 46. So include me as one of your study millionaire that became one using CC with cash back!
Exactly what "standards" are you using?
@@alinatamashevich3354 I’m using logical standards when it comes to spending. Don’t spend what you don’t have and payoff your CC every month. I’ve only saved 10% of my pay into 401k since I was 21 as well. My income has gone up a lot since I was 21 but I never changed my 10% of pay to 401k.
Dave did not explained very well but if you pay in cash you feel the pain instantly so you tend to buy less.
If you use cc is easier to go over you budget money.
For instance if your bill is 53$ and you tend to take one unnecessary item out so you can spend less than 50$ (which may be your original budget) while with cc you just pay and don’t think much.
So yes when you redeem your points you may get 20-30$ cash back every month,but you may have go over budget with 50-100$ simply because of the convenience of paying.
My cc with my all expenses(groceries,phone,cable,gas,eating out and everything else) runs around 1500$/month,but when I used only cash for one month I spent 1350$.
So yes I always off my cc and received 20-30$/month back,but is less than 150$ that I saved using only cash.
I agree Dave did not explained this well.
Me too
@@alinatamashevich3354 The millionare standard is: Assets - Liabilities = 1m+ Aka your net worth.
I have a lot of respect for you Dave but I disagree with you on this one. I use my card for groceries and gas and pay it off every month , thats a few hundred bucks a year in cash back it’s kind of strange mr eat rice and beans and save every penny you got is against this if done properly.
and you spend more on a cc than you would if you used cash.
A couple hundred dollars a year is not going build wealth. a couple hundred of dollars a day might.
@@starwreck really? Because I don’t. I have a weekly budget for gas and groceries every month and I always stay well below it.
But I get it , Dave’s audience is geared towards adult children who do not understand money , a lot of us are past that
@@Rashaadthegr8 don’t change the subject of the comment
He is off the boat on this. We all pay a 2% markup on everything in consideration of the credit card fees retailers have to pay. For someone financially grounded, it doesn’t matter if you pay with a debit card or credit card.
Problem is, he is giving a generalized answer that fits the majority of the population. The answer for 80% of people, is to never own a credit card.
For me, I check my bank account maybe once a month to see if it has grown to much and move some to a money market that yields more than money in the bank.
My credit card is on auto pay, and I check purchases every so often to make sure no fraud or unexpected subscriptions.
I have an Amtrak card that gives me one dollar toward travel for every dollar I spend. I use it as a debit card and pay it off as soon as there's a balance. I otherwise have zero debt, an emergency fund and investments. By using the card, yes, I do travel for free. Just got back yesterday from a round-trip first class journey for two on the Capitol Limited...for free. Dave and his boy are mathematically incorrect here.
What is this magical card?
But you spent on the trip probably using the capital one card.
@@ulysseslashley1245 I don't have a Capitol One card. And, no, we put everything on the Amtrak card and then paid it off as soon as we were back in town. Works beautifully.
Spending money he reserved for the trip he use to pay the card. The money going to be used for bills, and spending money anyway why not get perks
I take it you have to get into a lot of debt to be able to travel for free. And you have to get into a lot of debt every month. And you have to take a huge chunk out of your paycheck to cover that debt... every single month. With that money, I wonder whether you could have funded at least part of your own travel.
I totally disagree. I use my Southwest card to pay for everything I purchase and yes, I pay it off every month. I use my points to fly my daughter and family to visit me! Can’t beat that, Dave!
Maybe so, but you will never build wealth and become a millionaire. So quit it.
@@robshell5367 Wrong Einstein - I use my card for everything I would normally write a check for, and collect a nice chunk of money every year without carrying a balance, so zero interest. And yes, my net worth is about $9m
@@robshell5367 lol
@@993mike with a net worth like that why you on RUclips arguing with someone slow?
@@robshell5367 he's not spending more than he would on a debit card...Jesus christ...what a sad existence to never enjoy life cause dave ramsay says so
Its not just the cash back, or points. Some credit cards automatically give you extended warranty on things you buy.
That does not help if you just use it for groceries or bills, but it can make a big difference on other things.
If you are a responsible person that can manage your money, credit cards can be a godsend.
If you are constantly buying crap you don't need with money you don't have, they can ruin your life.
The majority will or have had credit card debt. There some that use it responsibly. However there is psychology with credit cards as many will overspend or spend more using a credit card as payment. The reason why he is against them is because data shows the interest many people are paying each month
I’d love to see Dave debate someone who knows how CCs actually work/make money/create value for the consumer without the power of the mute button 😂
Take Graham Stephan to the show
It's the fact that they claim to be on the ramsey plan that ticks him off
Ita just a slippery slope,,you definitely spend more on plastic
They'd tear Dave up.
I could tear him up. Especially on his lies, misinformation and bad advice he gives. Even more so if math is involved...his math skills are borderline pathetic.
if you claim to follow his plan why not listen to him? If you are dumb enough to fall into debt in the first place then he is likely more knowlegeable than you. Obv for those who are able to spend enough to go on vacation, they should not have any debt and this rule isn't for them so calm down.
Seems like it may be too subtle for some, but the fine print is "When used for stuff you would purchase anyway".
If you wouldn't buy it with your checking account don't do it with your CC.
Its interesting how many people cannot comprehend true financial discipline. I guess people who defend the "NO CCS AT ALL" line of thinking simply just spend on their checking accounts and only stop when they run out of money? The same financial discipline that Dave seeks to bestow on his audience is the same discipline you can use to use a CC responsibly. If you track your spending, plan a budget and actually stick to that budget, the method you use to pay for your stuff should not have any meaningful effect on how you spend.
Dave wouldn't have a job as a finance talking head if everyone simply lived within their means and did simple math and reasoning well.
I've seen people who needed to be sat down, made to write down the list of their debts with minimum payments, and told to pay the minimums plus X extra on the highest interest rate one until it was gone.
The person was smart at other things, but their finances were just a nebulous mess in their head. I was amazed they didn't do this themselves.
I could potentially see it being an issue if you suddenly lose income, and then you have debt again without the income to wipe it out within the month. Its safer to use a credit card because if your check card gets hacked, then all your money is lost. Banks dont honor any protections like the cc do, because they argue it's not really a credit card. I get $10 off my purchases almost every other time i use my Chase card.
my #1 reason is that literally anything in ur life can go wrong and suddenly you're not gonna be able to pay off the card so easily every month and now ur back in debt.
Using a debit card is about the absolute stupidest thing you can do
No, it's the next stupidest thing; thinking you're a normal human being is the stupidest thing one can do.
I use a debit card at a gas station that only takes that kind of card and charge $ 500 on groceries every month so my credit union will pay me 3 % on a saving account. After that it is a CC that pays cash back. Always pay at the end of the month. Do use the Amazon card for their cash back. .
Hardly, Credit IS dumb, Cash Is King
The main argument against CC seems to be that having one usually causes you to overspend. One superfluous purchase could potentially wipe out any rewards or cash back and that’s when the CC company will start to win over on you.
can we get this comment highlighted. I pay mine off for sure but I try NOT to use it because there is a higher probability that you are going to overspend or spend MORE than if you use cash or debit. I agree with people that you are gonna spend anyway but for those trying to grow wealth, it's better to save those $5 here and $10 there.
spot on 💯
Just don't spend outside your budget and you should have no problem paying off the card. There are some people who shouldn't have CCs because they don't seem to understand the importance of paying it off every month but Dave shouldn't be saying no one should have one.
@@aman-qj5sx No, I budget and have no problem staying within my budget while using a CC. Some people might overspend on CC but not everyone.
@@aman-qj5sx I don't think you know what a budget is.
@2 min in - But if your going to spend the money anyway for shopping, groceries, ect... Then why not get the 2%. Your not making sense. If your going out, if your eating out anyway, why not get points back as apposed to just throwing cash at all of it. You all aren't making sense on this.
I see both sides of this argument. For me, it’s about temptation. I use cash back cards and convince myself that I’m saving money on things I would be buying anyway. I think the reality is, I’m more prone to buying things that I otherwise wouldn’t, because they’re “discounted” with points.
Hilariously bad advice if you're responsible. You're right, the points aren't free, they're paid for by Ramsey clients and callers....
Hilariously good advice if you AREN'T responsible. People need to factor that in too, because not everyone that claims to be responsible is, even if they don't think they are lying, they may just overestimate their abilities.
Exactly. But Dave has the financial mindset that nobody has control. To him every person who has a drink WILL become an alcoholic.
@@tomm8025 And he isn't wrong about that... we live in a world where "nobody has control". Don't chastise him for saying the right things
@@EricSmyth2Christ - Wow, thanks for proving my point and showing incredible ignorance at the same time. It's often people with the bad habits that want to believe most people are like them.....reality has little to do with their perception.
@@tomm8025 Agreed
this is the one thing i dont agree with. You are spending that money NO MATTER WHAT so might as well get something out of it. I get free movies. Lots of them. I pay off my card in full every month and it has my groceries on it that I NEED and will be buying no matter what.
I'm 31. I've never paid a dime on credit card interest, ever.
Yeah, I have the 2% cash back card. I use it like a debit card and put everything we can on it. I pay it off weekly and update my every dollar budget. I don't spend more than we have because all our money is budgeted at the beginning of the month when we are paid. I use it as a pass thru and use the extra cash to pay for Christmas and Birthday gifts. The only way this is successful is because we keep a strict budget. I can see where having a points/cash back card would be problematic if you did not keep a budget and pay it off regularly. Or if you fell into the trap of the extra bonuses such as 5% back on dining out or 5% back if you shop at this site. Those types of deals incentivize extra spending. I don't follow those.
"Why can't I ?"
Are you 12 years old ? It's your money, you do whatever you want. You don't need "permission" from a radio show host to use a card.
Exactly. Use the card and learn the hard way. Then call in later with some humility.
@@EricSmyth2Christ oh we found another one who thinks just because he can't handle a card it means nobody can
@@EricSmyth2Christ Let's see I've been paying off my card every month for almost 40 years now. I guess according to you and Dave, I'm about due to lose it and go on a card bender soon.
@@perotal He's speaking about averages. Not to those few who can handle it.