I get that some people have a bad experience with certain companies. It could be that the rep on the other end doesn’t like their job, or something got lost in the shuffle on a request, or that the brand needs to improve overall. But I’m always suspect when one person has an unpleasant interaction and then labels the whole company as having “poor customer service”. That’s called an N=1 outcome. I’ve had both excellent and terrible customer support with two different people in a company in the same week! So which is it?
Same! Transition is one of my favorite bike companies, and from what I've been hearing thorough this review and the Norco review, the spire is really something
I love how this bike was all but forgotten in the end of field test series 5 bike recap. WTF... highest speck, best times and performance, most reasonable geometry and price.... and I don't even own a YT
I agree, but his voice doesn’t record well on video. So hard to hear! Just kind of muddled all together in one monotone drone. 😢 I know there’s nothing he can do about it, it is what it is, just a bummer as a viewer to barely be able to make out what he’s saying in comparison to the other two.
@@unclewickedmtb2023 The first time he was on the Pinkbike podcast, my car doors were resonating when he was speaking 😂😂 he's great though, i'm pretty happy he went to Pinkbike
Curiously I haven't had any issue hearing or understanding him. Fortunately he maintains a clear voice even when writing his articles, you definitely know it's Henry, regardless of the medium.
I know speed isn’t everything.. but it’s still funny to see the least expensive bike with a relatively simple suspension layout, no high pivot and whatnot, take fastest downhill time
on a short track yes. but i think that if you will take it to a proper race the norco or the gt will be faster. time is relative to the type of the track
@@MrSupermugen I guess we are ignoring the last two races at Loudenvielle where HP bikes finished: Second, third, fifth and eighth in u21. Third, fourth nineteenth and thirty fourth in elite mens. Second and Third in elite womens.
Favorite segment on these is actually the value portion. We all love to drool over the highest spec bikes, but it's nice to bring it back to reality and talk a bit about the potential value of the lower spec models. Can't wait for that Transition review :)
tinder 6 footers... who are actually around 5'10 Good lord Henry if you wrote that one you need to start your own channel. (But also you should start one anyway)
I would really love to see how these bikes/times compare to what the guys ride every day. Have them do a few test laps on their own enduro bikes that they know and are comfortable with and see how the test bikes compare to that.
The audio mix in these videos is killing me. Have to turn it way up during the conversation (especially to hear Henry) then the transition music comes in cranked to 11 and blows my eardrums out.
I have a capra (27,5) from 2016 and I absolutely love it. It's no fun on flats, but as soon as the trail gets technical or jumpy it begs me to go faster.
@@giovanni19ify The angles are quite different in 2021 Version. I have the 2020 Version and the new one and its a big change especially uphill and in flat terrain. I fucking love this bike
After watching all the Enduro Bike reviews from the field test this year. This bike intrigues me the most. It's probably going to be the one I buy. The core 3 is only 4500 for a carbon bike with great components.🤘
I have 29 er capra c pro 2018 modell and i love it, it is good for daily ride trail ride and dh too. I ride my capra in Maribor in the dh track and the secret lines too. And its never bottomed out.
I'm riding a similar sized bike (ML Slash) and yeah, cramming a Oneup 180mm in there made a huuuuggggeee difference in how the bike rides vs the stock 150
@@jamesc6876 I think it's a miscommunication between engineering for the frame and the specs for parts. Like in my Oneup v2/Slash situation, the dropper post is just touching the main pivot int eh frame. There isn't another post on the market that works for me above 150mm with that frame. It's probably the same issue here- the seat tube isn't designed long enough to fit a longer dropper
All bike companies should give an upgrade post length option or a save the environment and donate the post cost to a trail build no post option. 150??? also because of the long seat tube, will it be low enough even when slammed?
@@WyattH Yeah, With new bike prices I think we're going to start seeing a lot more polygon bikes on the trails. I think they offer the best speck for value at the moment. Still, I think I'm going to wait until a good price on a used bike comes up, although I see a lot of people selling 5 year old bikes right now for more than they bought them for new.
@@HansPeter-pm1gq Look at the Slash 9.8 GX build at $6999 vs the YT Capra Core 4 spec at $5,999 and get back to me. You’ll find the Core 4 spec is actually better if you look closely!
@@bensimon8646 yeah tbh you right. I meant that the old Version had a way better value for Money. But you gotta leave Trek that for the big non direct Brands they actually have good value
I would like to see for future field tests that the test tracks for enduro bikes are dh tracks becuase if it’s a flowy not so rought trail this bike could be better than the range or stuff like that, or even 2 test tracks flow and dh
I've owned 2 of these: Capra = better climber but also fast downhill. Rear end feels long which makes it stable. Slash = short rear end so it wheelies and manuals like a dream but it gets slapped around on very highspeed rough terrain. Propain Tyee = idk, never owned one, looks cool though. I have a 2020 Transition Patrol Alloy GX ($4,400) - it's a great park and jump bike, and does fine on climbs.
If you had to choose the Jeffsey or the Capra what would you choose? Where I live had some climbs and bike parks. I'm a novice rider and want a well rounded bike for trail and the bike park
I bet with a DHX2 coil this thing would rip. With a SLS spring, it only adds less than 1/2 pound over a X2. I know with my current bike and it's DPX2, I could never get the rear to behave and always felt a bit harsh no matter what I did settings wise, but when I mounted the DHX2 the thing came alive and tracked massively better and the weight penalty was never really noticed.
I have a dhx2 on my capra and its 10x better than air. These bikes shouldn't be ridden on air. Like he said the initial stroke is firm but on a coil its so plush.
Seems to me the assessment is correct... the YT Capra is like a long legged trail bike, could I even say "Free-ride" being a bit shorter with nimbility? I am starting to find that now that things have progressed beyond 150, that Enduro's are just single crown DH bikes with a huge dropper and seat tube angle... 1250ish wheel base, 63 deg HTA, 480+ reach 170/170mm travel on 29, 35+lbs due to coil shocks and big 38mm stanchions - the ONLY way to pedal these plows are with a 76+ STA, massive dropper and lockouts. If they had to time any part of the ups during the EWS, they've already reched the limit with bikes like the Instinct and SB150.
i actually dont think its because EWS as much. yes some things are, but even in the ews we see smaller bikes and less DH-ish bikes preform better, like the yeti sb150 is doing great and is one of the top bikes, the propain tyee is also a success. i think the reason they are all getting more rowdy is the popularity of bike parks. Almost everyone wants a bike that can send it down anything, they want a bike that still perfect for bike parks but can still make it as a daily bike. They want something that is perfect for bike parks but can still cut it as a enduro bike.
@@shemshem9998 Honestly, I think the single quiver Bike is still like skis... and just like with Ski's there are pretty amazing ski's like the Mantra, or QST - like a Specialized Stumpy Evo, but they don't come without compromise when compared to a genre specific product. At the least, the overlap due to improved capabilities of tech and geo is benefiting everyone and changing the sport.
I went for the Capra 3 in a size XL. I’m 6’ tall and kind of in between sizes. I have an extra set of Code RSC for it. Just waiting for it to ship sometime before April 2022. 🤣
I have a YT Capra that I’ve barely ridden because the Horst link bolt broke and it has been awful dealing with the YT company. They messed up the replacement of the bolt, upon further inspection the weld around the hole has a big chunk sticking up, so a guy in Taiwan just slammed it together. Did you think they were assembled in Germany or the USA? No way
I’m 5’9 and change and my enduro has plenty of reach at 464. People fall into the sizing trap by bike companies. Bikes are getting longer but people are not.
That’s only half the battle though. Rising rate in the linkage is more about accelerating shock shaft speed to create more hydraulic compression damping. The faster we try to compress the shock, the more resistance is created. The bottoming control is a hydraulic thing, not really a coil thing. With preset port volumes in the piston, it can only flow so much oil, until it can’t flow any more. Yes a progressive spring would increase force required to get deeper in the stroke, but it would effect low speed and high speed compression. Sometimes creating mid stroke harshness. Springs are position sensitive, not velocity sensitive whereas damping is velocity sensitive, not position sensitive. Yes they both work together and have cross over, but they also both do their own job. I think the biggest thing here is that air is so infinitely progressive, so much more than a spring could ever be, so it comes into play then at end stroke in a big way. Which is why bikes with progressive linkage get so harsh deeper in the stroke.
Seems like the capra delivers exactly what a modern enduro bike need nowadays. To be fast in enduro you need an agile bike which can shred 🔥 i felt like henry was quite negativ with the bike you could see that both of the testers couldnt agree on how to place this bike
“far more supported” “better climber” and “doesn’t rely on cheater switch” was positive. they both thought it was too harsh/fatiguing off top for long runs. “generates more speed… balanced… surprising” “bloody fast” are all positive. progressive suspension can be harsh and seatpost length were only negatives and matt also said it was more nimble and trail bike feel with more travel.
I have a technical question in regards to the "descending" section of the review. Capra MK3 has about 6% higher leverage ratio at around 30% sag than Capra MK2, meaning that there is more force applied to the shock in the initial travel to cause an easier movement of the suspension. The MK2 Capra in turn has one of the most progressive leverage curves and one of the most supple suspensions among the current enduro bikes. The reviews of MK2 from the past 3 years state consistently that it rides smoothly on rough and steep surfaces and absorbs the terrain very well. The leverage ratio of MK3 at zero sag is 3.35 and at 30% sag is 2.8. Therefore, I wonder why the bike felt harsh on the small bump / washboard sections of the trails given the ample suspension sensitivity implied by the MK3 kinematics? A side note: having a higher virtual pivot point which improves the pedalling efficiency and reduces pedal bob (one of the MK3 vs MK2 improvements) should help on the descends providing lower roll-over resistance (this is the logic behind the recent developments by Norco utilizing a high pivot and an idler pulley), meaning that for a FS bike having better anti-squat ability (one of the prerequisites for improved climbing) does not necessarily translate to a harsher descender. One observation: Using a shock with smaller stroke and volume, however, would impact the plushness of the suspension and indeed MK3 uses a smaller 230x65 mm shock vs the 250x75 mm shock of MK2 (13% smaller travel and 8% smaller eye-to-eye length). The large downhill-size shock of the MK2 was a great design choice by YT in my opinion and I regret to see it gone in the new edition of the Capra.
I agree, it is weird seeing the graph changes from mk2 to mk3. On paper this bike should be more plush than the old. Having ridden the old bike i thought it was really plush with lots of progression. However it pedeled like a 🐷. Regarding the shock length, its the same on both bikes. In 29wheel setup that is. Which makes for the increased in leverage ratio for the mk3. Im excited to try the new capra, and i think like the old bike a coil shock will really elevate the performance.
Will there be a Propain Spindrift test like this ? I am quite curious since its been literally everywhere these days and it seems to be a great deal of a bike !
@@adammoffett6935 The Tyee didn't feel sluggish at all. I'm 190cm/6'3 and rode it in XL, if I were to buy it I'd probably go for L. It felt like a good bike though, not twitchy but also not too playful, I didn't feel like it was designed to be thrown around. Gotta be honest, the Spindrift just resonated with me more, I felt more comfortable on it. The Tyee is still a very good bike, just didn't "stand out" to me. You'll be happy with it either way. I'll be going for the Spindrift though. Also you probably shouldn't listen to me since I'm a noob, rode both bikes for only one day each, different frame sizes and different specs.
Is that back end even working? Looks harsh AF! Give us more numbers! Stack height is a good one. And each frame size. Otherwise good reviews and looking forward to the Transition.
Great review. I recently review my 2020 YT Capra Elite and had a lot of the same opinions about the bike, BUT you guys did a better job choosing the right words to explain how the Capra rides.
YT has an extra size in there like the newer specialized S “sizings”. I think it compensates for the modern trend of longer reach bigger bikes. now if only they could all have proportional chainstays
hie everyone! i'm french and didn't understand everything of the video, can u please tell me what is to hold back about the new capra in simple words please, the good and the bad? and do u think it will be possible to upgrade to a longer seatpost or not because of the seat tube not enough deep for example? thxx
More Henry and less Levy! Was I the only one confused by the fact you brought a bunch of guys on the last bike checks only for levy to get all the screen time?
They should just state, the Horst link has better competitors out there. And not just high pivots. Harshness off the top might be a shock tune issue, or overly compression damped to mitigate the flaws in the Horst link.
This review is super helpful. Exactly what I'm looking for is a "long legged trail bike" some might see it as a flaw but that's exactly what I've been searching for. Thanks!!
"..fastest bike in the test" sounds pretty good to us 🏎️🔥
All you have to do now is to improve your customer service. Probably one of the worst in the complete Mtb market
Trail bike ? Th ? I bought it because I want to go big
@@Mmtwgr I've always had great customer service from the US-based distributor. Can't speak for the rest of the world though.
@@Mmtwgr agreeeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddddddddddd
I get that some people have a bad experience with certain companies. It could be that the rep on the other end doesn’t like their job, or something got lost in the shuffle on a request, or that the brand needs to improve overall.
But I’m always suspect when one person has an unpleasant interaction and then labels the whole company as having “poor customer service”. That’s called an N=1 outcome.
I’ve had both excellent and terrible customer support with two different people in a company in the same week! So which is it?
What an addition Henry is to pinkbike. I miss the Mike vs Mike sass, but Henry is absolutely killing it.
Oh yeah?
Its so fun to see Henry in front of the camera again, he is just so fun to watch and does great reviews! Killing it!
You just like the English accent
Can't wait for the Transition review
Same! Transition is one of my favorite bike companies, and from what I've been hearing thorough this review and the Norco review, the spire is really something
That's the one I'm waiting on :D
Same
I love how this bike was all but forgotten in the end of field test series 5 bike recap. WTF... highest speck, best times and performance, most reasonable geometry and price.... and I don't even own a YT
God damn Henry is a great journalist. Solid addition!
I agree, but his voice doesn’t record well on video. So hard to hear! Just kind of muddled all together in one monotone drone. 😢 I know there’s nothing he can do about it, it is what it is, just a bummer as a viewer to barely be able to make out what he’s saying in comparison to the other two.
@@unclewickedmtb2023 The first time he was on the Pinkbike podcast, my car doors were resonating when he was speaking 😂😂 he's great though, i'm pretty happy he went to Pinkbike
Curiously I haven't had any issue hearing or understanding him. Fortunately he maintains a clear voice even when writing his articles, you definitely know it's Henry, regardless of the medium.
I know speed isn’t everything.. but it’s still funny to see the least expensive bike with a relatively simple suspension layout, no high pivot and whatnot, take fastest downhill time
Same here. It's also the most nimble, so in my book that makes it the most fun.
It’s the smallest bike on test I believe and fits the racer better.
on a short track yes. but i think that if you will take it to a proper race the norco or the gt will be faster. time is relative to the type of the track
@@randomguypoopypapa8988 where's high pivot in EWS? thats right, nowhere. its a sheep item
@@MrSupermugen I guess we are ignoring the last two races at Loudenvielle where HP bikes finished:
Second, third, fifth and eighth in u21.
Third, fourth nineteenth and thirty fourth in elite mens.
Second and Third in elite womens.
Favorite segment on these is actually the value portion. We all love to drool over the highest spec bikes, but it's nice to bring it back to reality and talk a bit about the potential value of the lower spec models. Can't wait for that Transition review :)
tinder 6 footers... who are actually around 5'10
Good lord Henry if you wrote that one you need to start your own channel. (But also you should start one anyway)
I would really love to see how these bikes/times compare to what the guys ride every day. Have them do a few test laps on their own enduro bikes that they know and are comfortable with and see how the test bikes compare to that.
Long legged trail bike is right up my alley. I just ordered an Uncaged 10 and super excited to put it through it's paces.
Henry is just sensible and honest with his opinion when reviewing a bike and i like that
I have a spire and absolutely love it, did a 33 mile ride on it and felt quite nice climbing as long as I’m in the saddle.
Great to see Henry again back in the shredding scene! Welcome back mate
HENRY... such a blast to see you good Hands or even better from my opinion ...
The audio mix in these videos is killing me. Have to turn it way up during the conversation (especially to hear Henry) then the transition music comes in cranked to 11 and blows my eardrums out.
I have a capra (27,5) from 2016 and I absolutely love it. It's no fun on flats, but as soon as the trail gets technical or jumpy it begs me to go faster.
Yeah idk why these guys say it’s a trail bike . That’s it’s better on flats
@@giovanni19ify The angles are quite different in 2021 Version. I have the 2020 Version and the new one and its a big change especially uphill and in flat terrain. I fucking love this bike
Henry nice to see you working for pink bike watched you when you was working for gmbn
Levy has so much character, you gotta love him
‘Tinder 6-footers’ - Henry the Savage 😂
After watching all the Enduro Bike reviews from the field test this year. This bike intrigues me the most. It's probably going to be the one I buy. The core 3 is only 4500 for a carbon bike with great components.🤘
I have 29 er capra c pro 2018 modell and i love it, it is good for daily ride trail ride and dh too. I ride my capra in Maribor in the dh track and the secret lines too. And its never bottomed out.
Agree with Henry. In 2021, a bike that big with a 150mm dropper post is a deal-breaker.
I'm riding a similar sized bike (ML Slash) and yeah, cramming a Oneup 180mm in there made a huuuuggggeee difference in how the bike rides vs the stock 150
easily upgradeable.
@@jamesc6876 I think it's a miscommunication between engineering for the frame and the specs for parts. Like in my Oneup v2/Slash situation, the dropper post is just touching the main pivot int eh frame. There isn't another post on the market that works for me above 150mm with that frame. It's probably the same issue here- the seat tube isn't designed long enough to fit a longer dropper
All bike companies should give an upgrade post length option or a save the environment and donate the post cost to a trail build no post option. 150??? also because of the long seat tube, will it be low enough even when slammed?
@@jamesc6876 Yes to this.
Is a Alloy Version planed?
This video just confirmed that my Capra Core 3 pre order a couple days ago was the right move!
Cool review! Which size will be better (Core 4 MX) for 182cm and 74kg? L or XL ?
Do you know if there is a alloy version planed?
Awesome thanks for this review!, i have done a preorder on the Capra 3 as my first bike into the bike enduro world. Can't wait until May next 2022 😁
Jeez Pikbike's reviews are a joyless experience.
By the time you get a YT bike, new models are already out
Just bought one, can't wait to go for ride. Big upgrade from my giant stance. Looks like I lucked into perfect bike for me.
What happened to the base model? I want this bike but YT is usually the budget friendly bike!
All the prices went up like 500CAD
@@WyattH Yeah, With new bike prices I think we're going to start seeing a lot more polygon bikes on the trails. I think they offer the best speck for value at the moment. Still, I think I'm going to wait until a good price on a used bike comes up, although I see a lot of people selling 5 year old bikes right now for more than they bought them for new.
i am waiting for tha capra base model for 2699 euros the cheapest bike on site to be restocked for like months nowwww and still nothing
Look at Marin or Merida bikes they are cheeper and available at more lbs.👊
Is the suspension fatiguing because of the shock tune or the suspension layout?
looking at the new flight attendant one.
Whats the better bike YT Capra or Trek Slash?
Man I was tore between the two myself. Went with the YT since you can get the same spec for about $1000 less. Been love my AL 29 Pro Capra!
@@bensimon8646 but not with the new version.
@@HansPeter-pm1gq Look at the Slash 9.8 GX build at $6999 vs the YT Capra Core 4 spec at $5,999 and get back to me. You’ll find the Core 4 spec is actually better if you look closely!
@@bensimon8646 yeah tbh you right. I meant that the old Version had a way better value for Money. But you gotta leave Trek that for the big non direct Brands they actually have good value
Capra… but when would it be available 🤔?
The best bike in the world
I just bough a Capra after a couple years of being off it it, did find it harsh a bit, Henry confirming my bias is good enough for me
Yes! Henry! Glad to see you making vids again!
Henry is so dreamy!!
5’10 on a large 😅😅 so is there a XXXXL for us guys at 6’6??
Love the review though 🥳🥳
Welcome back here Henry!
I would like to see for future field tests that the test tracks for enduro bikes are dh tracks becuase if it’s a flowy not so rought trail this bike could be better than the range or stuff like that, or even 2 test tracks flow and dh
This is such a good Field Test! I’m super curious what PSI you are running in the tires in the huck to flat? Tubeless??
hope they post on review page with settings
Whats should i get YT Capra, Trek Slash or Propain Tyee?
Trek if money is not a issue
@@ASAP2525 why do you think so?
I've owned 2 of these:
Capra = better climber but also fast downhill. Rear end feels long which makes it stable.
Slash = short rear end so it wheelies and manuals like a dream but it gets slapped around on very highspeed rough terrain.
Propain Tyee = idk, never owned one, looks cool though. I have a 2020 Transition Patrol Alloy GX ($4,400) - it's a great park and jump bike, and does fine on climbs.
@@ASAP2525 True, you pay a premium for the Trek brand. YT and Transition-(because im biased) have more value for the $
@@cloudkap thanks for your answer did you have the Trek 2021 or an older version
If you had to choose the Jeffsey or the Capra what would you choose?
Where I live had some climbs and bike parks. I'm a novice rider and want a well rounded bike for trail and the bike park
If your mainly ride park park with lots of downhill get a Capra or a jeffsy but if you ride lots of uphill get a trail bike
I bet with a DHX2 coil this thing would rip. With a SLS spring, it only adds less than 1/2 pound over a X2. I know with my current bike and it's DPX2, I could never get the rear to behave and always felt a bit harsh no matter what I did settings wise, but when I mounted the DHX2 the thing came alive and tracked massively better and the weight penalty was never really noticed.
The Capra shred has the dhx2 and its so nice
I have a dhx2 on my capra and its 10x better than air. These bikes shouldn't be ridden on air. Like he said the initial stroke is firm but on a coil its so plush.
Glad to see Henry from GMBN! I missed him
saw you guys filming on bermalade up there and was wondering when the video was going to come out
could you please try the propain Tyee 🙏
11:04 that fly just can’t get enough Kashima!
Nice man! Good review. Tech guys need to improve the audio tho.
Can you guys test the Propain Tyee pls
and compare.
Is it a perspective trick or what? Henry’s looking as big as Gandalf in Bilbo’s house!
$2600 for base Capra is insane value. I think this will be my next bike.
Seems to me the assessment is correct... the YT Capra is like a long legged trail bike, could I even say "Free-ride" being a bit shorter with nimbility? I am starting to find that now that things have progressed beyond 150, that Enduro's are just single crown DH bikes with a huge dropper and seat tube angle...
1250ish wheel base, 63 deg HTA, 480+ reach 170/170mm travel on 29, 35+lbs due to coil shocks and big 38mm stanchions - the ONLY way to pedal these plows are with a 76+ STA, massive dropper and lockouts.
If they had to time any part of the ups during the EWS, they've already reched the limit with bikes like the Instinct and SB150.
i actually dont think its because EWS as much. yes some things are, but even in the ews we see smaller bikes and less DH-ish bikes preform better, like the yeti sb150 is doing great and is one of the top bikes, the propain tyee is also a success. i think the reason they are all getting more rowdy is the popularity of bike parks. Almost everyone wants a bike that can send it down anything, they want a bike that still perfect for bike parks but can still make it as a daily bike. They want something that is perfect for bike parks but can still cut it as a enduro bike.
@@shemshem9998 Honestly, I think the single quiver Bike is still like skis... and just like with Ski's there are pretty amazing ski's like the Mantra, or QST - like a Specialized Stumpy Evo, but they don't come without compromise when compared to a genre specific product.
At the least, the overlap due to improved capabilities of tech and geo is benefiting everyone and changing the sport.
i watch field tests only because of the intro part, it s always excellent editing
Abut the bike, do you think a coil on the rear would improve the overall handling with more small bum sensitivity?
I went for the Capra 3 in a size XL. I’m 6’ tall and kind of in between sizes. I have an extra set of Code RSC for it. Just waiting for it to ship sometime before April 2022. 🤣
Interesting. I'm 6'1" and I went with a size Large. The reach is a few mm longer than the hardtail I'm currently on.
@@wesodell8021 I had the gen 2 Capra in a size large and it felt fine but I demo’d the Decoy a couple years ago in a XL and it felt more comfortable!
@@davidbahr8599 I appreciate the info! Might cancel my order and change it. The ETA month is still the same.
@@wesodell8021 Change it immediately. L is tiny you won't like it. I had to sell my large and get an xl but best decision I've made.
@@jordanmackay3568 the sizing is crazy weird , i bought a 2019 capra XL. im 6"2 and i really regret not getting a XXL the reach just feels so short
I have a YT Capra that I’ve barely ridden because the Horst link bolt broke and it has been awful dealing with the YT company. They messed up the replacement of the bolt, upon further inspection the weld around the hole has a big chunk sticking up, so a guy in Taiwan just slammed it together. Did you think they were assembled in Germany or the USA? No way
Kinda sad to not see the Gnarvana on this lineup would love to see how it stacks up to everything.
I’m 5’9 and change and my enduro has plenty of reach at 464. People fall into the sizing trap by bike companies. Bikes are getting longer but people are not.
looking forward to Henry's read-aloud while you fall asleep channel
Mike, these are so well done. Keep it up man!
Don't understand why Pinkbike didn't test out 1 size larger on the capra. E.g. S3 Medium spesh is similar reach on large capra?
I'm here for Matt! Give the man a beer for all the riding! Cheers 🍺
Those issues about the beginning of the stroke would go away with a coil shock on this bike!
And add a full pound to the bike.
@@mtbmike9866 would be worth the improvement on suspension feel tho
Might lose out on bottoming control though… depends what you want to do with it. Jumpers might be better with air, smashers would be better with coil
@@unclewickedmtb2023 maybe, but you could always add a progressive spring to counteract that lost control on the coil...
That’s only half the battle though. Rising rate in the linkage is more about accelerating shock shaft speed to create more hydraulic compression damping. The faster we try to compress the shock, the more resistance is created. The bottoming control is a hydraulic thing, not really a coil thing. With preset port volumes in the piston, it can only flow so much oil, until it can’t flow any more. Yes a progressive spring would increase force required to get deeper in the stroke, but it would effect low speed and high speed compression. Sometimes creating mid stroke harshness. Springs are position sensitive, not velocity sensitive whereas damping is velocity sensitive, not position sensitive. Yes they both work together and have cross over, but they also both do their own job.
I think the biggest thing here is that air is so infinitely progressive, so much more than a spring could ever be, so it comes into play then at end stroke in a big way. Which is why bikes with progressive linkage get so harsh deeper in the stroke.
could u have a look at the vitus sommet because i think it would be a good video
This or the Evil Insurgent MX?
Nevermind. Just watched the entire review and definitely the Evil Insurgent MX.
The voices by Henry is hard to hear.
Seems like the capra delivers exactly what a modern enduro bike need nowadays. To be fast in enduro you need an agile bike which can shred 🔥 i felt like henry was quite negativ with the bike you could see that both of the testers couldnt agree on how to place this bike
“far more supported” “better climber” and “doesn’t rely on cheater switch” was positive. they both thought it was too harsh/fatiguing off top for long runs. “generates more speed… balanced… surprising” “bloody fast” are all positive. progressive suspension can be harsh and seatpost length were only negatives and matt also said it was more nimble and trail bike feel with more travel.
what do you think about the uncaged 9 model?
The bike riden are large ? How tall are the lads riding ? I’m looking at an xl I’m 6’3”
I have a technical question in regards to the "descending" section of the review. Capra MK3 has about 6% higher leverage ratio at around 30% sag than Capra MK2, meaning that there is more force applied to the shock in the initial travel to cause an easier movement of the suspension. The MK2 Capra in turn has one of the most progressive leverage curves and one of the most supple suspensions among the current enduro bikes. The reviews of MK2 from the past 3 years state consistently that it rides smoothly on rough and steep surfaces and absorbs the terrain very well. The leverage ratio of MK3 at zero sag is 3.35 and at 30% sag is 2.8. Therefore, I wonder why the bike felt harsh on the small bump / washboard sections of the trails given the ample suspension sensitivity implied by the MK3 kinematics?
A side note: having a higher virtual pivot point which improves the pedalling efficiency and reduces pedal bob (one of the MK3 vs MK2 improvements) should help on the descends providing lower roll-over resistance (this is the logic behind the recent developments by Norco utilizing a high pivot and an idler pulley), meaning that for a FS bike having better anti-squat ability (one of the prerequisites for improved climbing) does not necessarily translate to a harsher descender.
One observation: Using a shock with smaller stroke and volume, however, would impact the plushness of the suspension and indeed MK3 uses a smaller 230x65 mm shock vs the 250x75 mm shock of MK2 (13% smaller travel and 8% smaller eye-to-eye length). The large downhill-size shock of the MK2 was a great design choice by YT in my opinion and I regret to see it gone in the new edition of the Capra.
I agree, it is weird seeing the graph changes from mk2 to mk3. On paper this bike should be more plush than the old. Having ridden the old bike i thought it was really plush with lots of progression. However it pedeled like a 🐷. Regarding the shock length, its the same on both bikes. In 29wheel setup that is. Which makes for the increased in leverage ratio for the mk3. Im excited to try the new capra, and i think like the old bike a coil shock will really elevate the performance.
Amazing review but I m french and I don t understand the part for chosing the good size can somone say me wich is the best for 1m82?
Henry narrating a BBC nature documentary on the elusive Capra.
all the bikes this field test are so good
Henry's similes are the best!
2023 YT Capra Core 3 or 2022 Jekyll 2?
Punishing uphill?
Henry got me on the frying pan comment. Love this segment of bike review!
Super great！🎉 how to buy this bike？😅
Will there be a Propain Spindrift test like this ? I am quite curious since its been literally everywhere these days and it seems to be a great deal of a bike !
I rode one the other day and it felt great, I was surprised by the great climbing. Makes the choice between sd and tyee even harder
See last year's Field Test.
@@RiversideM I ordered a tyee are they playful and poppy or feel sluggish?
@@adammoffett6935 The Tyee didn't feel sluggish at all. I'm 190cm/6'3 and rode it in XL, if I were to buy it I'd probably go for L. It felt like a good bike though, not twitchy but also not too playful, I didn't feel like it was designed to be thrown around.
Gotta be honest, the Spindrift just resonated with me more, I felt more comfortable on it. The Tyee is still a very good bike, just didn't "stand out" to me.
You'll be happy with it either way. I'll be going for the Spindrift though.
Also you probably shouldn't listen to me since I'm a noob, rode both bikes for only one day each, different frame sizes and different specs.
I'm gonna need Henry to speak the hell up...ask him to use his outside voice or something, man...
I think it's his deeper voice that makes him sound quieter, something about audio balancing (or so the Pinkbike commenters or Pinkers have said).
I need Kashima pans to match my fork now. Aftermarket the $100 price difference is worth it for the orange lowers.
Is that back end even working? Looks harsh AF!
Give us more numbers! Stack height is a good one. And each frame size.
Otherwise good reviews and looking forward to the Transition.
oh the ASMR guy from the other channel hahahha its nice for him to be here, tech is quite small space for henry and doddy.
OMG Henry, my all time favourite is back. Live is good....
Great review. I recently review my 2020 YT Capra Elite and had a lot of the same opinions about the bike, BUT you guys did a better job choosing the right words to explain how the Capra rides.
What’s Henry saying about the bars ? “You know what you’re getting into” what does that mean ?
The Tinder six footers made me laugh. Pinkbike did well to get you Henry.
Pengeeennnnnnyaaa punya YT yaaaaa... 😍😍😍😍
I could listen to that guy on the right for hours, he’s soothing as f
Saw it on the trails. Looks old or shorter than most newer bikes.
Maybe newer bikes might get shorter again.
YT has an extra size in there like the newer specialized S “sizings”. I think it compensates for the modern trend of longer reach bigger bikes. now if only they could all have proportional chainstays
The mystery E-bike is obviously a yeti, you can see part of the badge on the head tube and the blue seat rails, heck it even says yeti on the seat
hie everyone!
i'm french and didn't understand everything of the video, can u please tell me what is to hold back about the new capra in simple words please, the good and the bad?
and do u think it will be possible to upgrade to a longer seatpost or not because of the seat tube not enough deep for example?
thxx
Long legged trail bike. I like the way that sounds.
More Henry and less Levy! Was I the only one confused by the fact you brought a bunch of guys on the last bike checks only for levy to get all the screen time?
They should just state, the Horst link has better competitors out there. And not just high pivots. Harshness off the top might be a shock tune issue, or overly compression damped to mitigate the flaws in the Horst link.
is this bike good for allaround bike like can i go and drive it 80-100km a day with climb and pedaling or is it owerkill for that
This review is super helpful. Exactly what I'm looking for is a "long legged trail bike" some might see it as a flaw but that's exactly what I've been searching for. Thanks!!
How is it up hill???
it's weird watching henry here. he he he... Pinkbike got one great addition.
Im trying to compare this one vs the Transition Sentinel