Teeaboo Reacts - Frieren Episode 22 - Restaurant To Another World

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  • @klasik2706
    @klasik2706 Месяц назад +52

    That was the most critical and in-depth analysis of Fern's character flaws that I've seen a person do. Deservedly so as well. People usually brush past it as the "cute and childish pouty baby" thing or something like that, which it admittedly can be when done by a fictional character on the screen, but I wholeheartedly agree that it's a pretty understated character flaw and real humans should really strive not to be like that in real life. Being cold and distant towards your partner isn't actually cute at all outside of fiction. Fern sure is living up to her name again today lol. Anyway, I love her and I'm quite hopeful that she will get to grow as a person and develop healthier communication skills in the future.

  • @eliasfitzgerald1786
    @eliasfitzgerald1786 Месяц назад +17

    "The essence of martial arts" is one of my favorite jokes in the show. Perfect little setup and payoff.

  • @SmthPositive_
    @SmthPositive_ Месяц назад +47

    That’s why Übel was disappointed when she found out Fern was only using basic spells when trying to find more about her magic since there’s nothing to copy there even if she “Empathized” with her
    Lecker, the name of the cook of the restaurant in the flashback means delicious in german

    • @Diablos-pi2qy
      @Diablos-pi2qy Месяц назад +1

      I don't think what Ubel is doing can be considered empathy. It's more sympathy if anything. There is a subtle but important difference there. And this also supports her potentially being a psycho/socio-path.

    • @hayakueon3230
      @hayakueon3230 Месяц назад +7

      @@Diablos-pi2qy Sympathy means feeling pity, empathy means to understand someone. Ubel was definitely trying to empathise with people. Her talent makes her able to Empathise with Wirbel, understanding that his Sorganeil is used pure for binding, to prepare for the kill.

    • @Diablos-pi2qy
      @Diablos-pi2qy Месяц назад +1

      @@hayakueon3230 I think you're extremely oversimplifying the concepts of empathy and sympathy (to the point that it's actually becoming incorrect). I would recommend checking out psyculturists' reaction/discussion video on this episode (specifically starting from 14 minutes and 20 seconds ish). The host is an actual psychologist and he's able to explain this point in more detail than me tbh.

    • @SmthPositive_
      @SmthPositive_ Месяц назад +1

      @@Diablos-pi2qyI also don’t really think it’s real empathy since she’s only doing it to gain something but that’s what she called it that’s why I put it in quotation marks

    • @Diablos-pi2qy
      @Diablos-pi2qy Месяц назад +1

      @@SmthPositive_ Yeah, that's what she calls it, but it's definitely not empathy (either she herself doesn't understand what true empathy means/is or she's intentionally being deceitful).

  • @johannesbowers7467
    @johannesbowers7467 Месяц назад +16

    We get Pouty Fern, Happy Fern, Grumpy Fern, Yuri Goodness (Kanna x Lawine), and ohhhh lord, Land, you have triggered the Yandere's aggro range and you now have a life partner. Resistance is futile, she will find where you sleep.

  • @MasterAries7
    @MasterAries7 Месяц назад +5

    one interesting little detail. When they are in the resturant, fern is asking about deserts, and then frieren turns to stark who is looking at the menu, and recommends something to him. And we see he has Omurice...in the flashback, this was the meal Himmel was eating. Dont know if it MEANS anything, but its a detail i like.

  • @Yukiha-dd8jz
    @Yukiha-dd8jz Месяц назад +11

    I really love the way you analyze and react to shows. You enjoy the surface level content for what it is while diving into the nuances of the production and writing; it's clear how you understand that the subtleties are a large part of what differentiates the good shows from the great. IMO that's what a lot of the anime reaction scene is missing - in-depth appreciation of the writing said out loud to a wider audience so that they can enjoy it too.
    I definitely see pieces of media in a different, more appreciative light ever since I started watching you because of your Punpun reading. Thanks man!

  • @kodytiffany5686
    @kodytiffany5686 18 дней назад

    Stark collects the homeless in each town as they come to him with their one liners...
    Thank you this episode for putting that thought in my head.

  • @christianhowell3140
    @christianhowell3140 Месяц назад +13

    Re: the homeless people sandwich thing, there's one thing id like to recommend: dont just offer to buy a sandwich, offer to buy it WITH them at a store within eyeshot. There's 2 reasons:
    1) it allows for social engagement they may be seriously in need of
    2) theyll probably just throw away food offered to them out of fear that you've spit in or even poisoned it. Not from paranoia mind you, but from past experiences. This kinda behavior towards the homeless is far more common than any of us would like to believe (and is why i suggest somewhere in eyeshot, so they dont worry youre gonna rough em up)

    • @Teeaboo
      @Teeaboo  Месяц назад +4

      Oh! Yeah for sure. I didn't make this clear but sometimes the situation allows that and sometimes not! Definitely good if possible. Otherwise wrapped from the store is pretty alright!

    • @electricant55
      @electricant55 Месяц назад

      Funny because past experiences is exactly why I avoid homeless people. They wouldn't think twice about scamming or mugging you if they can get away with it, why give them the opportunity?

    • @christianhowell3140
      @christianhowell3140 Месяц назад

      @@electricant55 huh? I'm suggesting going to a public place within eyeshot, not a back alley

    • @electricant55
      @electricant55 Месяц назад +3

      @@christianhowell3140you think you can't get robbed in public?

  • @joerussell1732
    @joerussell1732 Месяц назад +48

    Discussion 35:06

  • @hayakueon3230
    @hayakueon3230 Месяц назад +32

    I agree with Tee about interim episodes. Too many shows just put in action after action after action non-stop. Without a break, it kinda gets boring.
    Too bad some people view downtime moments as ''filler''. Though I suspect it's more likely that kids and teens that say this.

    • @Juan-be2xw
      @Juan-be2xw Месяц назад +4

      Filler serves no purpose, yet in frieren the core of the show is slice of lifey and processing life. If you stretch it, you could say that the action sequences are the filler lol

    • @regentnemea6701
      @regentnemea6701 Месяц назад +8

      @@Juan-be2xw Filler can absolutely serve a purpose. Whether it's fanservice, character development or world-building. Filler in the traditional sense of "content that was not in the source material" will likely not advance the main story but it can absolutely serve a purpose.

    • @hayakueon3230
      @hayakueon3230 Месяц назад +5

      @@Juan-be2xw If it's in the source material, it's not filler. Filler means something that's anime-only for padding out episodes.

    • @zackrose6261
      @zackrose6261 Месяц назад +1

      @@hayakueon3230 These days people will call even stuff in the source material filler.

    • @Diablos-pi2qy
      @Diablos-pi2qy Месяц назад +2

      @@zackrose6261 Well just because it's in the source material, doesn't mean it can't be filler (since even sources can contain filler chapters/volumes/etc). I personally consider a section of a story that does not have any purpose other than extending the run/read-time to be filler.

  • @yero1990
    @yero1990 Месяц назад +8

    Fern's Happy Walk is a cure for the soul!!

  • @folcwinep.pywackett8517
    @folcwinep.pywackett8517 Месяц назад +3

    "YOU'RE just along for the ride. Youse guys is stuck with me" - Master Teeaboo, and then I fell on the floor laughing. So true, so true. Beautiful transition episode, but with lots to say. My favorite is Lawine and Kanne get goodies, and bring them over to Frieren and Fern's apartment for a little girl's party. And then there is the face shot of Frieren smiling because she is actually enjoying this little party. Frieren has changed. Her emotions are making contact.

  • @kodytiffany5686
    @kodytiffany5686 17 дней назад

    I feel most often that in being selfless the universe becomes more willing to provide.
    Its a balance thing so by removing or adding to your scale you in fact take choice away for the opposite equal to happen.

  • @CommanderZx2
    @CommanderZx2 Месяц назад +1

    I wish there was an RPG where you played a wise old wizard like Denkin. Sure you can customise your character in many games, but your character is always written as a young person.

  • @Airwave2k2
    @Airwave2k2 Месяц назад +2

    50:43 a modern prejudice is repeated once more, that oral story telling would change the content much over time. Sure writting stuff down is neat, but there are material restrictions and on top of it there are many other aspects that transform text and therefore the content.

  • @eress4
    @eress4 Месяц назад

    Your joy gives me so much joy in return.

  • @hermaeusmora424
    @hermaeusmora424 Месяц назад +1

    55:58 holly shit. My mom is exactly like that.

    • @Teeaboo
      @Teeaboo  Месяц назад +2

      Was waiting for a comment like this. Now you have the words for it. Good luck

  • @510Nouploads
    @510Nouploads Месяц назад +7

    About the Heraclitus fragment
    Many people misinterpret this fragment to say that nothing is constant, that there is no stable identity and change is the only truth. They construct Heraclitus as being opposed to the likes of Parmenides (and later on, Plato) arguing that only the eternal and transcendent is reality, and change is an illusion.
    However, this is a misinterpretation and oversimplification of Heraclitus' philosophy. The full fragment is "You cannot step twice into the same rivers; for fresh waters are ever flowing in upon you". The statement presents a contradiction: if the waters of a river are constantly changing, by what measure is it the same river? For us to understand the river as "having changed" due to the flow of the water in it, we need to understand that it is the same river (because if it were two separate, unrelated rivers, the concept of change would be incoherent). However, if it is the same river, how has it changed?
    The problem that Heraclitus poses is that for us to understand change, there needs to be a constant "backdrop" on which the change occurs. However, if change is the replacing of one identity with another, it is unclear how such a constant can remain. This problem is later tackled in a more longwinded manner by Aristotle, who ends up presenting an analysis that is quite similar to Heraclitus' stance:
    ""We will now give our own account, approaching the question first with reference to becoming in its widest sense: for we shall be following the natural order of inquiry if we speak first of common characteristics, and then investigate the characteristics of special cases.
    We say that one thing comes to be from another thing, and one sort of thing from another sort of thing, both in the case of simple and of complex things. I mean the following. We can say (1) 'man becomes musical', (2) what is 'not-musical becomes musical', or (3), the 'not-musical man becomes a musical man'. Now what becomes in (1) and (2)-'man' and 'not musical'-I call simple, and what each becomes-'musical'-simple also. But when (3) we say the 'not-musical man becomes a musical man', both what becomes and what it becomes are complex.
    As regards one of these simple 'things that become' we say not only 'this becomes so-and-so', but also 'from being this, comes to be so-and-so', as 'from being not-musical comes to be musical'; as regards the other we do not say this in all cases, as we do not say (1) 'from being a man he came to be musical' but only 'the man became musical'.
    When a 'simple' thing is said to become something, in one case (1) it survives through the process, in the other (2) it does not. For man remains a man and is such even when he becomes musical, whereas what is not musical or is unmusical does not continue to exist, either simply or combined with the subject.
    These distinctions drawn, one can gather from surveying the various cases of becoming in the way we are describing that, as we say, there must always be an underlying something, namely that which becomes, and that this, though always one numerically, in form at least is not one. (By that I mean that it can be described in different ways.) For 'to be man' is not the same as 'to be unmusical'. One part survives, the other does not: what is not an opposite survives (for 'man' survives), but 'not-musical' or 'unmusical' does not survive, nor does the compound of the two, namely 'unmusical man'.
    We speak of 'becoming that from this' instead of 'this becoming that' more in the case of what does not survive the change-'becoming musical from unmusical', not 'from man'-but there are exceptions, as we sometimes use the latter form of expression even of what survives; we speak of 'a statue coming to be from bronze', not of the 'bronze becoming a statue'. The change, however, from an opposite which does not survive is described indifferently in both ways, 'becoming that from this' or 'this becoming that'. We say both that 'the unmusical becomes musical', and that 'from unmusical he becomes musical'. And so both forms are used of the complex, 'becoming a musical man from an unmusical man', and unmusical man becoming a musical man'.
    But there are different senses of 'coming to be'. In some cases we do not use the expression 'come to be', but 'come to be so-and-so'. Only substances are said to 'come to be' in the unqualified sense.
    Now in all cases other than substance it is plain that there must be some subject, namely, that which becomes. For we know that when a thing comes to be of such a quantity or quality or in such a relation, time, or place, a subject is always presupposed, since substance alone is not predicated of another subject, but everything else of substance."
    (Physics, Book 1 Part 7)
    Aristotle, following Heraclitus, sees change as something that applies to compounds: for there to be change, there needs to be a complex thing: a constant which survives the change, and a property, which does not survive the change. He uses the example of a man learning music: in the process of change, the unmusicality of the man does not survive, becoming musicality. However, the man does survive, and the change is only coherent because he does survive - for otherwise, we would simply have two men, one who knows music and one who doesn't, and the concept of learning would be impossible. In a nutshell, Aristotle's solution is by uncovering the subject-predicate distinction, which then goes on to become a cornerstone of all western thought.

  • @Diablos-pi2qy
    @Diablos-pi2qy Месяц назад +1

    Regarding altruism and doing good things and so on, why do you need a reason to do it? I personally do good things not because there is some kind of reason to do so, but because it's part of my view/philosophy on life and my goal/role in it. There is a poem in my native tongue that can be roughly translated as follows:
    "If you are not saddened by the pain/suffering/unhappiness of others, then you cannot be called human."
    I personally believe in this line of thinking. To be clear though, I don't use it to judge others, since I generally try my best to not judge anyone (due to fair and honest judging being incredibly difficult and I obviously don't want to unfairly judge a person/situation). However, it is how I choose to live my own life.
    I don't want to generalize since such statements are typically incorrect, but it feels to me that in the modern western culture, there has been so much emphasis on individualization (ie, everyone is on their own and if they're having problems, then it's their own problem/fault), that people now need to look for a reason to be good.
    So, your whole segment about the philosophy/psychology of why we do good things, is very odd to me. I do good things because it's what makes me human and who I am. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't. I'm not religious and this is not some form of transaction with God (ie, do good to go to heaven). I don't need to look for a reason to be good, since I've already more or less figured out the general idea of how I view life and how I want to live.

  • @GummyCalico
    @GummyCalico Месяц назад

    Funny that you mention prematured mourning/grieving in the intro. Himmel has something to say about that. But more about it later☺️☺️

  • @kodytiffany5686
    @kodytiffany5686 18 дней назад

    I like the idea of a restraunt owned by one family for centuaries and the menu only changes slightly as time goes on.
    Do not get that twisted I realize how trash that is for the continued line of chefs stuck in such harsh and critical waters... but to be able to taste what your great great great Grandpa did as a kid; while still being a child yourself is an experience few have ever had.
    I remember my Great Grandmas Meat Balls; she was Itallian/Sicilian (one of those), and they were amazing. About the size of a racket ball and the sauce is the best despite my not liking tomatoes. The point is she learned it from family, meaning you know what you tasted is what your ancestors tasted almost the same exactly. So a recipe from what 1853 or some way back when... Just awesome really. So a restaurant that has 100% done the same would be impressive.
    The trick tho is getting me and others to believe it. That is what this episode had in it. Sure not exact but still minimal changes being its thing is great.

  • @kodytiffany5686
    @kodytiffany5686 17 дней назад

    Have a roomate leaving at end of month. So I gave them 500$ for there vehicle knowing they needed some cash for parts.
    As to why... partially because They have a doggo and I do not want to have them not be able to "house" the pup (3 or 4 years old Lab); but also because moving sucks so any help to others to smooth things helps out immensely I know.
    My only benefit is that it made it easier for the person to leave. But I know I helped them far more.
    They owe a lot of back rent; but they never stopped trying to pay on time. So overall they are miles ahead of my last 2 roommates both of which were not even really trying to pay each month.
    God if everyone that owed me money paid up there debts I would have a couple grand at least... funny how that works.

  • @aqrxv
    @aqrxv Месяц назад

    Enjoyed your reaction and analysis. Frieren does a good job of being a perfect production. We've been blessed with a lot of high quality anime outside the high budget Shonen Jump and historical productions, with Frieren at the top, but Mushoku Tensei, Bocchi the Rock, Oshi No Ko, and - perhaps a controversial choice - Eminence in Shadow all standing out for me.

  • @rakshaa1664
    @rakshaa1664 Месяц назад +12

    46:53 I'm only up to here in the video so I apologise if this is discussed more later, but isn't Ubel having a hard time empathising not something actually supported by the show? You coined her as someone unable to empathise last time and now that this is proven false you have instead grown to believe that empathising seems to be incredibly hard for her. We see her empathise with Wirbel based off of a single conversation. One where he explains why he only kills when he thinks it's necessary. This seems to run opposite to the general ideology of our cute serial killer and yet she, while probably not fully, seems to empathise just fine. I think she can't empathise with Land because he's, well, Land. But anyone would have trouble with that, not just her, so it doesn't seem to me like she has a harder time empathising than most people. So yeah, I may be wrong but I don't see her presently as someone who has to do the hardest thing for her (empathising) to use her power.

    • @Teeaboo
      @Teeaboo  Месяц назад +6

      Goodpoint. I won't get all the way there, but I do think I see some more nuance potential in her in the discussion.

    • @Diablos-pi2qy
      @Diablos-pi2qy Месяц назад +2

      @@Teeaboo For sure, but I don't think what Ubel is doing can be considered empathy. It's more sympathy if anything. There is a subtle but important difference there. And this also supports her potentially being a psycho/socio-path.

  • @kodytiffany5686
    @kodytiffany5686 18 дней назад

    Personally I have always focus my art in laying out my imagination in a 1:1 scale/ratio... because I can't.
    More to the point, its about me specifically being the one to do it.
    Colors are my issue as I see the images in my head as exactly one thing and without fail I am a shade or tint off at best I get 99% representation not 100%.
    When sculpting its a bit better because my failing to get the shapes I want out of clay, is a me thing so its fixable but still colors are a harsh thing to get exact.
    I could not tell you the finite difference between one nation or others silk work or cultural art for the life of me... but broadly I get that certain blues and roundness are more Central American than others and that Dragons that are clearly snake themed are asian.
    Free form like your picture this week has never been something I have found truly effective at expressing myself... myself tho being the point.
    Expressing the universe and existential stuff sure.
    Then again I am half blind in each eye; since I have ONE Opcitapol Lobe instead of 2 its not really fixable.

  • @adityachakrabarti3164
    @adityachakrabarti3164 Месяц назад +5

    As an Indian, the notion of people forgetting to make Gulab Jamun feels utterly blasphemous to me.

    • @Teeaboo
      @Teeaboo  Месяц назад +4

      Finally! I was waiting for someone to comment on it 😅

  • @dyslexicfaser
    @dyslexicfaser Месяц назад +8

    I think they kind of overdid Fern's pout-silence-appeasement thing here. Twice in one episode? They call her a difficult girl, or a pain in the ass, or something like that, and she absolutely is.

    • @wesleydavis6406
      @wesleydavis6406 Месяц назад +19

      Yeah she’s a teenage girl with a very unorthodox life up until now and doesn’t know how to express herself. And she also doesn’t really have time to be a teenager because she’s the responsible mom of the group. It’s two different manga chapters so it’s more broken up there but it makes sense

    • @christianhowell3140
      @christianhowell3140 Месяц назад +14

      ​​​​@@wesleydavis6406 yeah, plus the whole... Yannow... Trauma. Of course she's gonna have some unpleasant attributes, she lost everything she cared about when she was like 3. Not that it JUSTIFIES those attributes obviously, but it feels like people forget that right before she got The World's Greatest Father Figure, she was literal inches away from going skydiving without a parachute

    • @wesleydavis6406
      @wesleydavis6406 Месяц назад +11

      @@christianhowell3140Exactly it’s a very well thought out flaw in her character and it would be very weird not to have something like this. She’s also showing it more in this episode because she knows that in the city she doesn’t have to be responsible for everything. That’s probably a reason she has developed this condition because she can only express herself when they’re in a more safe area

  • @Void-qd2qy
    @Void-qd2qy 20 дней назад

    I disagree with you saying no other series has nailed a good transitional episode like Frieren did, hxh which already have many parallels with the mage exam already, when they get picked up from the cooking exam and we take an episode to fly in the blimp to the next area and we get more intimate interactions with Gon and Killua, Kurapika, Leorio and Tonpa. We learn more about the examiners and their look on the different contestants especially Hisoka with his bloodlust ect. We also get a fun game with Netero and see more of Killua's true nature which gets explored more in the next stage of the exam. Both episodes serves the same purpose Tee praised it for, but i think hxh did it slightly better(probably a little biased but whatever).
    We also have other examples of this which even comes inside one of the tests where we just get almost a full episode of character interactions between the main cast and Tonpa which takes a brake from the action that came before and after which i think is really creative and serves kind of the same purpose as the transitional episodes talked about after they defeat the criminals, since the fights between the criminals took a lot of episodes already. You definitly have examples of trasitional episodes being better than both examples mentioned anyways. I do enjoy this episode for the praise Tee gave, im not trying to talk it down or anything.

  • @xelpad2379
    @xelpad2379 Месяц назад +1

    uuuuuuu ubel

  • @burhannuddin2870
    @burhannuddin2870 Месяц назад

    Can you please reaction to free! anime is about sports swimming and the name is free!

  • @derpderp283
    @derpderp283 Месяц назад

    I feel the need to do philanthropic/kind acts is evolutionary, in fact a lot of things we do and feel good about is as well. At the end of the day it's an act with the hope in future that someone might repay it back when you need it, which further increases the chances to pass on your genes, which really is the ultimate goal.
    I don't think most people are thinking like a machine, it's just a gut feeling, similar to sexual attraction or the urge to explore or try something new. No one is doing any complicated math as to why they were attracted to certain individuals or why they venture out to do something. A lot of it is just that we are descendants of those who did and thus survived, hence we are inclined to do it as well without ever thinking where the thought originally came from.
    I think all of it is just a mask and people try to justify their actions later.

    • @Diablos-pi2qy
      @Diablos-pi2qy Месяц назад

      While I can agree with a lot of what you're saying, I think you're potentially using very broad brush-strokes to classify people. I don't think that what you're saying applies to every single individual (maybe most but definitely not all).

  • @kodytiffany5686
    @kodytiffany5686 17 дней назад

    IED... is that what its called?
    I know I have a bit of that issue.
    But mostly its about observation... in that I am literally half blind.
    What sense is there in my SEEING something others do not... it makes no sense that people with twice the vision NOTE half as much as me.
    That always builds my Mob meter.
    I am very Patternized and rarely act randomly... so your saying that in living with me you did not notice my patterns...? Do you have eyes?
    That sort of issue.
    Its obvious things because its not hidden at all... yet is it noticed... no.
    I am fine with conversing about the less obvious stuff; its not in your face already so it needs to be expressed.
    Certainly is not helpful, but I have always seen those issues as "Us" issues with others, they do not want to say anything then its clearly not a problem to them, so why make it a problem.
    As you said experience has taught me that speaking up hurts more than helps... so why would I hurt myself.

  • @Gurgleschlortz
    @Gurgleschlortz Месяц назад +5

    "I can't rationally consider scenes that contain Übel in them." You and me both.
    For someone who is able to put on the mask of a responsible adult most of the time, Fern has some pretty severe lapses into truly childish behavior.

    • @wesleydavis6406
      @wesleydavis6406 Месяц назад +11

      Yeah but it makes sense for her to be childish at the times she is childish

  • @RatoInsano
    @RatoInsano Месяц назад

    I don't like being one of those people asking about a show in another show's video, but I would like to ask what's happening with Gundam ZZ.

  • @sugipulaboule
    @sugipulaboule Месяц назад

    Fern really pissing me off and reminding me of people I don't want to be reminded about...