Kickstarter reveals pricing of $75.00 and early bid prices starting from £37 of my money with further discounts available for consumers buying multiple units. The Kickstarter link in the description.
I've been wanting to build a diy thermostat with local control. The main thing stopping me was having a physical interface my wife would like. Open firmware on this thing would fit the bill. I could probably repurpose my ZigBee temperature sensors too since that's built in.
This is an awesome product. I only have one question. Can I use the main buttons to control wireless switches like the Sonoff Mini? I am planning to replace a single gang switch and use the other button to turn a floor lamp on and off.
A couple of observations, it seems you might only want this level of functionality in 1 or 2 rooms. In other rooms a simpler device with temperature sensor and ability to change it would be sufficient for most rooms. The need for power source will limit it's position in the room, not ideal for optimal temperature sensor readings. The need for neutral limits it's use is UK and ireland
I suspect 2-3 devices like this would be enough for household. At least with standard feature set. Once hacked with tasmota I can think of million reasons why to have it in each room :)
Here in Germany, the Thermostats are hanging on the wall close to the entrance - not ideal location either. I would install this device in any room, as typical functionality for me is: - thermostat setting + measurement - roller shutter control - light control, including dimmed main Light + ambient RGB LED lightning. - couple of selectable scenes - morning, evening, night. This is pretty much wall switches, if one makes it in conventional way. Neutral wire requirement limits it‘s use in Germany too, but I have routed it everywhere
I remember playing with HA Switch Plate when it was released. It used the Nextion 2.4inch touch screen and fitted a standard wall plate (US / AU and some Eu plates). Use to feel fancy using a touch screen to turn on the light lol. The Nextion displays were always the expensive part. This looks pretty good in a premade commercial offering . I like it :)
@ I think Nextion uses a kind of UART, even slower than SPI.
3 года назад
@@artyomsyomushkin1104 Yeah, I assumed so. That's why I would've hoped for SPI... It will make it harder to have dynamic content generated for example on a Pi.
Have you tried moving the tempurature sensor from the pcb yet? I would be interested to know if that improves the reading. I have only just ordered one so it will be a week or so until I can experement with it. Though I do have a sonoff temperature sensor that works well so I was thinking I would use that one rather than the onboard one. But it looked easy enough to reposition the onboard one from your vid.
@@notenoughtech Thanks I will, I have a few projects on the go atm. I have yet to try Tasmota though I have been aware of it for some time. Thanks for your channel it is very useful, keep up the good work
I admit, I do like the look of this, and at the right price it could be a winner. That said, I'd like to know if they plan on having a customisable display that can interact with Home Assistant. With that in place, I'd be on these like a fat kid on cake!
H pad for Humidity? Which might also be a useful sensor to have alongside temperature and motion & light level?. Possibility of occupancy of room tied to heating/cooling & lighting.
If this comes and is able to be flashed with Tasmota, use MQTT, and is rated for a higher amperage than what is currently advertised, I'll be installing one in every room of my house. But unfortunately, if it lacks any of these things I really can't justify even buying one 😔.
I believe the current limit is ok, These are light switches, 2A per gang is perfectly adequate to drive lights at home. Progress with MQTT and Tasmota had been made and I will cover this soon
Thanks for the detailed presentation. I do have a slight criticism though which applies to most of your youtube presentations. Motion video is a great tool to illustrate the functionality of equipment or devices. Animation is also quite an effective tool, Your clips are mostly showing your face in the style of a newsreader. No offense but people get tired from that. I do anyway. You could have actually installed this unit o the wall, it would have been a perfect guide for potential buyers. Saying all that I appreciate your effort.
As I have further plans for the device in terms of filming putting it on the wall would be just getting in the way especially that I need to route extra wires in the wall to make this presentation. It would t bring extra functionality but looking a bit cleaner. As per motion videos or animation, they take both time and money. I try to have from 1- 3 videos a week on various topics that interest me and I'm not in position to hire animators to meet that deadline.
Seems like a very promising product! Crap interface, though...
2 года назад
Please tell them to implement a built-in mqtt support, so we don't have to re-invent the wheel and flash it with tasmota or create another custom firmware.
Ha! Unfortunately flashing will be the way.. I spoke to them about it but it's unlikely this will get traction any time soon
2 года назад
It looks like it's not that hard to do it, can you explore it further what you can do with tasmota and nspanel? ruclips.net/video/sCrdiCzxMOQ/видео.html
I will be looking into this soon. There was little point to do this as only few ppl had units to play with. Now that the device enters the itead store it makes more sense to focus on the tinkering with it
Probably not but it also depends on how is your 3way wired. You need to assure constant power supply which means that not all positions are feasible in 3 way setup
@@notenoughtech if they used a smaller LCD 2-inch and focused on "a swipe navigation model for the UI" the price could be identical to the current, not enough design effort was considered, only problem is... larger high contrast LCD's use a "midpi lcd interface" and the chip used to drive the whole thing doesn't accommodate for high res screens.
Nice panel BUT, the elephant in the room is the ewlink software. Is it just me, the idea of my data being sent to a cloud server owned by a Chinese company which by law in China must give the the Chinese government access to that date is a little concerning. Maybe I am being paranoid but I find the idea that the Chinese state can access the data from tens of thousands (if not millions) of European homes more than a little concerning. In simple trials I conducted, I found cheap Chinese security cameras would regularly try to "phone home" despite trying to restrict settings to stay within my local network. When we can get Tasmota or similar on these devices then I might consider them but until then, they are just to much of a security concern.
As far as cloud goes I rather give my data to a country who has no jurisdiction in the country of my residence than the one that has. I wouldn't be overly paranoid over that if I'm honest. Tasmota is already available but until nice HMI menus pop out there is little reason to do this for the sake of hosting your own cloud. If you willing to spend some time in nextion editor you could have a nice little setup though
@@notenoughtech Great channel by the way, I watch regularly. I had not spotted the Tasmota firmware for this device allthough I base my whole home automation around Node Red, Tasmota and Zigbee and think I am pretty up to date with Tasmota firmware. My point about ewlink is that for home automation, in my mind it's better to stay within your own protected network rather than use the cloud. It's not difficult to do and you can set up external access fairly easly and securely. I believe in the old adage of "Nothing is ever free" so It is worth asking, what do ewlink get out of providing their software? Keep up the great work and thanks.
Thank you :) I agree with you about the need for having the option to do it "your way" I made an argument recently that I'd love DIY to be always an option (never a main choice) as you often find that majority or ppl just want to make things work without seeking a degree in computer science to set it up. Its fair not to expect IT skills from my mum to set up a lightbulb right? But having an option to have a completely offline scalable iot solution is a must have in my mind. Time will tell if matter will be the answer. For now we have ZigBee which kinda fills some of these needs.
@@notenoughtech PS Would love to share notes on your heating solution and my home heating application running in Node Red and controlling my Underfloor heating. Just updating to Zigbee, time will tell if it is as reliable as my old ESP8266 home built thermostats running Peter Scargills original firmware (with just a bit of Tasmota thrown in). 🙂
When is sonoff going to build gate/ visitor camera such when button is pressed owner automatically can see and communicate with visitor.just like ring one, they are making a killing. Need one app for smartphone and not multiple apps
Depends on what you want to achieve. Its build by sonoff so that's to be expected. There are not many companies that open their products to 3rd party integration.
Considering how we adopt touch interfaces, this concept is very likely to be the future. Small smart screens displaying relevant information as we walk by from room to room. So while this particular device may not be the next "iPhone" it paves the way to the actual way we use smart devices. So yea, I completely disagree with you
Straight away I see problems for these device. Itead always has problems with wall devices. Plus the more IOT you have in your house, the more some get knocked off your router, very annoying as you have to reset your router. I believe zigbee is the way to go for most of these devices.
ZigBee suffers own issues as well due to RF interference. There is no perfect solution and if you struggle to keep devices connected on WiFi it also could mean you need a more powerful router to handle all network.
@@notenoughtech I got a more power router, didn't work mate. I put up the first hack on the Sonoff Antennas years ago too. I am a Radio communication technician from the military back in the day.
I use z-wave. About 30 devices by now and no problem. I have one Itead, few Shellies and four Android tablets for HA, sitting on separate Wi-Fi router. No problem so far either.
Kickstarter reveals pricing of $75.00 and early bid prices starting from £37 of my money with further discounts available for consumers buying multiple units.
The Kickstarter link in the description.
Hi there I enjoyed watching I've installed it today I set it up for courtesy lights on a scene great piece of kit been using sonoff since 2015
I've been wanting to build a diy thermostat with local control. The main thing stopping me was having a physical interface my wife would like. Open firmware on this thing would fit the bill. I could probably repurpose my ZigBee temperature sensors too since that's built in.
This is an awesome product. I only have one question. Can I use the main buttons to control wireless switches like the Sonoff Mini? I am planning to replace a single gang switch and use the other button to turn a floor lamp on and off.
Yes you can but you will hear the click from the integrated relay inside.
@@notenoughtech that isn't an issue. I just want to make use of that button rather than get into the widgets every time I want the floor lamp on
Yes you can use scenes to trigger another device on button press
A couple of observations, it seems you might only want this level of functionality in 1 or 2 rooms. In other rooms a simpler device with temperature sensor and ability to change it would be sufficient for most rooms. The need for power source will limit it's position in the room, not ideal for optimal temperature sensor readings. The need for neutral limits it's use is UK and ireland
I suspect 2-3 devices like this would be enough for household. At least with standard feature set. Once hacked with tasmota I can think of million reasons why to have it in each room :)
@@notenoughtech yeah, I suppose that will depend on the final price.
We shall know soon
Here in Germany, the Thermostats are hanging on the wall close to the entrance - not ideal location either.
I would install this device in any room, as typical functionality for me is:
- thermostat setting + measurement
- roller shutter control
- light control, including dimmed main Light + ambient RGB LED lightning.
- couple of selectable scenes - morning, evening, night.
This is pretty much wall switches, if one makes it in conventional way.
Neutral wire requirement limits it‘s use in Germany too, but I have routed it everywhere
Itead, if you are listening, add the motion sensor, add mqtt and we are all buying this for every room in the house!
Then I would need a bunch of these. 🤣
But do the radar sensor, not the PIR crap
We shall see... I think keeping the cost low will be the priority
I think its going to be about 70$, they should be able to add 1$ for a sensor
Especially the space is there
It would be useful to see comparision between this device and Lifesmart Nature Mini or Orvibo MixPad. Those are the only ones I know of at this point.
Only if I can get my hands on them. If I could buy all suggestions... :)
I would be interested in this too.
Can't wait for custom firmware.
Let's hope the price will be right first :) I'm yet to find out the actual cost!
@@notenoughtech the end user price is around 75$
We shall know in about 3h
This is just screaming for Tasmota firmware, or some other form of MQTT integration. Nice product.
I know right. All the custom screens you could have 😍😍
Too bad its a Nextion panel inside making the development difficult
Difficult but not impossible. 😜
Is it that good? 😂😂😂
@@blakadders Actually Nextion might make it easier to program screens as it has a software to create GUIs nicely. But MQTT is a must off course.
I remember playing with HA Switch Plate when it was released. It used the Nextion 2.4inch touch screen and fitted a standard wall plate (US / AU and some Eu plates). Use to feel fancy using a touch screen to turn on the light lol. The Nextion displays were always the expensive part.
This looks pretty good in a premade commercial offering . I like it :)
There is something about having a small screen that shows you cool info :) now we need a reliable system for indoor tracking ;)
@@notenoughtech Presence detection and room occupancy... If you can solve them you will have the perfect smart home.
So far I nailed being home or not and using specific computers
@@notenoughtech now to stop the living room lights going off sitting still in front of a movie, or reading 😉
Shelly or sonoff with a power meter and it's doable
this looks awesome! just a shame it doesn't have zigbee built-in :(
That would be nice since it's hardwired and could be a gateway or repeater as well.
Pretty nice! Will definitely try to include neutral wires in all the wall boxes. I'm curious what's the part number for the display panel inside this.
It's one of the nextion displays. I'll get some more dets out once it comes to hacking
@@notenoughtech ah, I was hoping for a more direct interface (high speed SPI).
Not checked the pinout on that yet I'm afraid.
@ I think Nextion uses a kind of UART, even slower than SPI.
@@artyomsyomushkin1104 Yeah, I assumed so. That's why I would've hoped for SPI... It will make it harder to have dynamic content generated for example on a Pi.
Nice review, is the display touch capacitive or resistive ?
Capacitive
Have you tried moving the tempurature sensor from the pcb yet? I would be interested to know if that improves the reading. I have only just ordered one so it will be a week or so until I can experement with it. Though I do have a sonoff temperature sensor that works well so I was thinking I would use that one rather than the onboard one. But it looked easy enough to reposition the onboard one from your vid.
You have to bear in mind by doing this you will introduce extra resistance and it can skew the reading further.
Wow rapid reply, thanks. I guessed that moving it would add resistance but if its not that accurate in the first place I have nothing to lose.
With a temperature compensation it should be ok. If flashed with tasmota you could use my TRV calibration script. Check out that video
@@notenoughtech Thanks I will, I have a few projects on the go atm. I have yet to try Tasmota though I have been aware of it for some time. Thanks for your channel it is very useful, keep up the good work
Happy new year and enjoy 2022
nice video mate,i cant wait to tasmota this thing off :)
SONOFF NSPanel Pro announced now. They mention HA but I’m waiting for reviews.
Arrives on Monday 🫣
I admit, I do like the look of this, and at the right price it could be a winner. That said, I'd like to know if they plan on having a customisable display that can interact with Home Assistant. With that in place, I'd be on these like a fat kid on cake!
Why in the UK do we need neutral wires for this panel and will a modern house (2007) have neutral wires ?
Sadly I have seen both wiring styles in the UK houses so I'm not sure if you can bank on a "standard" it's down to what you have in your socket
H pad for Humidity? Which might also be a useful sensor to have alongside temperature and motion & light level?. Possibility of occupancy of room tied to heating/cooling & lighting.
There are some Dev pads so with custom firmware... Could be possible
If this comes and is able to be flashed with Tasmota, use MQTT, and is rated for a higher amperage than what is currently advertised, I'll be installing one in every room of my house. But unfortunately, if it lacks any of these things I really can't justify even buying one 😔.
I believe the current limit is ok, These are light switches, 2A per gang is perfectly adequate to drive lights at home. Progress with MQTT and Tasmota had been made and I will cover this soon
Nice piece. What about cloud control via internet?
Just like any other ewelink device you can control it via app remotely
Will a US version be available?
The color is not great, I hope they will have options.
I'm not sure about the US specific version yet. I would assume they want that market as well.
Thanks for the detailed presentation. I do have a slight criticism though which applies to most of your youtube presentations. Motion video is a great tool to illustrate the functionality of equipment or devices. Animation is also quite an effective tool, Your clips are mostly showing your face in the style of a newsreader. No offense but people get tired from that. I do anyway.
You could have actually installed this unit o the wall, it would have been a perfect guide for potential buyers. Saying all that I appreciate your effort.
As I have further plans for the device in terms of filming putting it on the wall would be just getting in the way especially that I need to route extra wires in the wall to make this presentation. It would t bring extra functionality but looking a bit cleaner.
As per motion videos or animation, they take both time and money. I try to have from 1- 3 videos a week on various topics that interest me and I'm not in position to hire animators to meet that deadline.
@@notenoughtech Thanks and noted
Is there a rating for the relays on the outside, the US version has the same relays but on the back it says 2A which is rather low
They are only for lights. 2A is usually plenty for that even with 110V
Isn't it has a light dimming feather like in Crestron ?
You can dim units connected via WIFI, but the unit only controls normal relays directly and can't dim
H2 location perhaps humidity sensor?
I'm not sure
Neat, right now it’s boring but once reflashed it could be very cool!
I agree :)
Ooh, is that an eink light/temperature/humidity sensor? Who makes that?
I have w couple of them. From aqara and moes
Seems like a very promising product!
Crap interface, though...
Please tell them to implement a built-in mqtt support, so we don't have to re-invent the wheel and flash it with tasmota or create another custom firmware.
Ha! Unfortunately flashing will be the way.. I spoke to them about it but it's unlikely this will get traction any time soon
It looks like it's not that hard to do it, can you explore it further what you can do with tasmota and nspanel? ruclips.net/video/sCrdiCzxMOQ/видео.html
I will be looking into this soon. There was little point to do this as only few ppl had units to play with. Now that the device enters the itead store it makes more sense to focus on the tinkering with it
Sick
Thank You
Would love if we were able to upload our own code and image from nextion software.
It's ESP based and has lots of Dev pads. It will be possible to flash it but probably not as user friendly as we think
And the IO definition has been published by sonoff
By ITEAD, Shenzhen, China.
Thanks. 👍🏻
Future? HMI's have been used with PLCs for the last 20 years. It's only become commonplace to see them in the home with lower cost devices.
That's basically the concept. Everything we use was invented pretty much years ago but only become accessible once price and feature set was right.
Can this be used a 3way switch?
Probably not but it also depends on how is your 3way wired. You need to assure constant power supply which means that not all positions are feasible in 3 way setup
@@notenoughtech I would love to buy one of these.. but everywhere I got 2 light switches, one of them is a 3way switch..
@@andrecomanigault I understand.
love it but I agree a better "Google Nest like quality LCD (IPS)" would have been better. not a fan of these TFT LCD screens.
Something tells me that would up the price quite a bit.
@@notenoughtech if they used a smaller LCD 2-inch and focused on "a swipe navigation model for the UI" the price could be identical to the current, not enough design effort was considered, only problem is... larger high contrast LCD's use a "midpi lcd interface" and the chip used to drive the whole thing doesn't accommodate for high res screens.
The screen isn't terrible. Let's face its for button pressing not playing doom 🤭🤭🤭
@@notenoughtech hahah agree agree.!
I have no doubts someone will print small controllers and make w retro gaming console out of it 😆😆😆
Nice panel BUT, the elephant in the room is the ewlink software. Is it just me, the idea of my data being sent to a cloud server owned by a Chinese company which by law in China must give the the Chinese government access to that date is a little concerning. Maybe I am being paranoid but I find the idea that the Chinese state can access the data from tens of thousands (if not millions) of European homes more than a little concerning. In simple trials I conducted, I found cheap Chinese security cameras would regularly try to "phone home" despite trying to restrict settings to stay within my local network.
When we can get Tasmota or similar on these devices then I might consider them but until then, they are just to much of a security concern.
As far as cloud goes I rather give my data to a country who has no jurisdiction in the country of my residence than the one that has.
I wouldn't be overly paranoid over that if I'm honest.
Tasmota is already available but until nice HMI menus pop out there is little reason to do this for the sake of hosting your own cloud.
If you willing to spend some time in nextion editor you could have a nice little setup though
@@notenoughtech Great channel by the way, I watch regularly. I had not spotted the Tasmota firmware for this device allthough I base my whole home automation around Node Red, Tasmota and Zigbee and think I am pretty up to date with Tasmota firmware.
My point about ewlink is that for home automation, in my mind it's better to stay within your own protected network rather than use the cloud. It's not difficult to do and you can set up external access fairly easly and securely. I believe in the old adage of "Nothing is ever free" so It is worth asking, what do ewlink get out of providing their software?
Keep up the great work and thanks.
Thank you :)
I agree with you about the need for having the option to do it "your way" I made an argument recently that I'd love DIY to be always an option (never a main choice) as you often find that majority or ppl just want to make things work without seeking a degree in computer science to set it up. Its fair not to expect IT skills from my mum to set up a lightbulb right?
But having an option to have a completely offline scalable iot solution is a must have in my mind. Time will tell if matter will be the answer. For now we have ZigBee which kinda fills some of these needs.
@@notenoughtech PS Would love to share notes on your heating solution and my home heating application running in Node Red and controlling my Underfloor heating. Just updating to Zigbee, time will tell if it is as reliable as my old ESP8266 home built thermostats running Peter Scargills original firmware (with just a bit of Tasmota thrown in). 🙂
can it do dimming?
Relays can't but you can link sonoff dimmer and display it on the screen
@@notenoughtech Thanks would be nice if they could do dimming as would be a full replacement for a lightswitch
Dimming is problematic as most bulbs requite voltage dimming something that is harder to do cleanly while powering the device off the same line
Is it just me or his voice just like james may in top gear
I definitely can compete with his hairstyles (at times)
09:55 Waaait a minute...Is this an "MC BROADcast v. 1.7" ??😂
😂😂
When is sonoff going to build gate/ visitor camera such when button is pressed owner automatically can see and communicate with visitor.just like ring one, they are making a killing. Need one app for smartphone and not multiple apps
Who knows 🤷
how to reset sonoff ns pannel
Usually, unpairing in app triggers reset
It only works with sonoff stuff. Useless unless flashed with other firmware.
Depends on what you want to achieve. Its build by sonoff so that's to be expected. There are not many companies that open their products to 3rd party integration.
Too bad it's not UL or ETL listed.
More products from sonoff get certified. I would be surprised if this won't be updated soon
Mmmm no Zigbeee....
Device looks extremely cheap and based on your video I don't think it's responsive at all. I won't back or buy this.
No. IS not the future.
Considering how we adopt touch interfaces, this concept is very likely to be the future. Small smart screens displaying relevant information as we walk by from room to room. So while this particular device may not be the next "iPhone" it paves the way to the actual way we use smart devices. So yea, I completely disagree with you
Straight away I see problems for these device. Itead always has problems with wall devices. Plus the more IOT you have in your house, the more some get knocked off your router, very annoying as you have to reset your router. I believe zigbee is the way to go for most of these devices.
ZigBee suffers own issues as well due to RF interference. There is no perfect solution and if you struggle to keep devices connected on WiFi it also could mean you need a more powerful router to handle all network.
@@notenoughtech I got a more power router, didn't work mate. I put up the first hack on the Sonoff Antennas years ago too. I am a Radio communication technician from the military back in the day.
Would
I use z-wave. About 30 devices by now and no problem. I have one Itead, few Shellies and four Android tablets for HA, sitting on separate Wi-Fi router. No problem so far either.
Unifi has been rock solid for as wireless i have almost 100 devices connected to two lite access points without a single issue