THE SCRAPE FOUL - Unbanned Triple Jump Technique
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2023
- Before the 1980’s, there was a rule the prevented athletes from scraping their swing leg on the ground during the triple jump.
The men’s triple jump final at the 1980 Moscow Olympics, has so much controversy that they changed the rules to unban this action.
This is a summary of what happened at the event which led to the rule change.
1980 Moscow Olympics Men’s Triple Jump Finals
1st - Jaak Uudmäe - 17.35m
2nd - Viktor Saneyev - 17.24m
3rd - João Carlos de Oliveira - 17.22m
4th - Keith Connor - 16.87m
5th - Ian Campbell - 16.72m
Viktor Saneyev who won silver was attempting to win his fourth consecutive gold medal in the same individual event and was the favorite to win the event.
Both the Brazilian de Oliveira and Australian Ian Campbell produced multiple massive jumps which were capable of winning the event and even capable of breaking the olympic record, but they were declared fouls by the officials over and over again and were not measured.
8 of the 12 jumps were foul and no legal jumps after the third round
One of Australian Ian Campbell’s later jumps was well past the marker for the olympic record and would have won the competition. But the officials ruled it a foul.
But there was no mark in the plasticine,
The officials declared he had committed a "scrape foul" which was an interpretation of the rules at the time which stated the trailing leg (or the swing leg) could not touch the track during the jump.
Allegations quickly rose that the officials intentionally threw out their best jumps to favor the Soviets.
Because of the publicity this got, the IAAF was forced to reevaluate the rules that played into these events.
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Fantastic video and summary of the events that took place. Athletics Australia recognised my jump as 17.51m in 2015. They partitioned World Athletics to award an additional medal. At no stage did they want the 'result' changed. World Athletics dismissed the appeal out of hand, despite an independent report done by Victoria Universities ISEAL research team that used 2015 technology to actually analyse my jump, concluding that no scrape occurred and the distance was 17.51m with an error factor of up to 2cm.
Glad to know that our own global Federation places a high value on integrity in sport!
To put all this in perspective, please remember that Joao Oliveira had a much troubled life and died very young. That is a real tragedy. He and I both agreed after the Moscow TJ, that yes, in fact, we were both robbed.
Keep up the good fight!
Thank you for the comment.
I was born in the same city as João Oliveira. To you understand how it was tragedy to his career, one year after the moscow olympics he was involved in a car crash and had his right leg amputated. So he did not had the opportunity to try the gold medal again. After the accident he also had problems with alcoholism. He passed away in 1999. He was only 45 years old.
Ian,
Thank you so much for watching! I wish RUclips you let us edit videos afterwards and I could add your comments in there.
It’s a shame what happened to Joao Oliveira, he was such a good dual jumper in both the triple jump and the long jump.
It’s a shame that there isn’t some kind of retroactive acknowledgment similar to what they did with Phil Shinnick.
I was born in USSR in 1975 and lived 39 years there in ussr/russia before escape to live in Chile, and even though my brain was washed with unlimited soviet propaganda finally I started to understand what an evil empire ussr was. Saneev was one of my idols as I loved athletics and before this day I had no idea that soviets judges were so unfair to you((
If I am not wrong, Saneev moved to live in Australia in 90s and first time he was a courier and delivered pizza to houses. My coach, who was once the USSR champion in the triple jump in 70s, sometimes called him on the phone.
I fill sad that you were robbed with gold medal
@@JumpersJunction you can pin his comment.
great video, one time in high school a judge called a scrape foul on me, so i looked up the rules and showed them that they had changed and they still called my jump foul and i now feel validated :)
You deserve that win!🎉
These people in authority who won't accept that they're ever wrong, even in face of evidence, are the worst fucking people.
He must've been a commie
Yet here I am, an internet stranger, feeling rage on your behalf now what, decades later?
Probably a communist
I remember watching this at the time. There was also controversy in the mens javelin, where, rumours say, the Russians were opening the large stadium doors to allow wind in to aid the Russian throwers.
in fact they were doing that
It’s wild hearing about some of these things that were rumored to have gone on.
Like in the women’s long jump, even after the IAAF officials returned there was still controversy as the official who raised the foul flag raised the red flag at first till he glances over at the sand judge who could estimate the distance, and then he switched the flag to make it a legal jump
i remember that too,
Always them Russians eh lol
This sounds similar to the allegation that during the 2008 Beijing Olympics the Chinese opened side doors at the archery venue to introduce unpredictable crosswinds for non-Chinese competitors.
Still outraged by this 43 years later. Ian Campbell is quite a common name in Australia, and when I hear the name, I'm reminded of this dreadful saga and wonder what Ian Campbell himself thinks about it.
@robertlangridge6596
He literally commented right below you!
Fantastic video and summary of the events that took place. Athletics Australia recognised my jump as 17.51m in 2015. They partitioned World Athletics to award an additional medal. At no stage did they want the 'result' changed. World Athletics dismissed the appeal out of hand, despite an independent report done by Victoria Universities ISEAL research team that used 2015 technology to actually analyse my jump, concluding that no scrape occurred and the distance was 17.51m with an error factor of up to 2cm.
Glad to know that our own global Federation places a high value on integrity in sport!
To put all this in perspective, please remember that Joao Oliveira had a much troubled life and died very young. That is a
real tragedy. He and I both agreed after the Moscow TJ, that yes, in fact, we were both robbed.
Keep up the good fight!
Ian Campbell was literally robbed. The jumps were clear and the judges know it.
For any athletics fan this is awesome content. Real legit RUclips stuff like back in the day; quality content.
Thanks for the support!
But, but, but... It's over 60 seconds, and my attention span doesn't last that
"João do Pulo", the Brazilian in this video, was an amazing athlete! I'm pretty sure he would be the Olympic Champion under normal conditions!!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🏆
Or silver after Ian Campbell. We shall never know.
Yao como ele disse kkkkkk
Awesome explanation. I’m curious why the shoe conspiracy is needed though; it seems like the Russian judges had enough motivation to cheat just to get their own athletes on the podium.
There had to be a reason for the IAAF officials to not be present for the competition, considering they appeared later. It seems unlikely that it's procedure for them to not be present during early competition and only show up later.
@@marshallc6215 Well, the Olympics took place in the Soviet Union, so you'd think there would be some other motive and means for the organizers to arrange this.
@@marshallc6215 The Soviets could just have bribed the IAAF, no need to conspire with a shoe company. The red jackets were probably relaxing in a sauna with hookers
Soviet. The winner was Estonian.
It's so sad that a cheating sportsman can get banned but when an official does it the result can/will stand.
Boycott the Olympics. I know I have. It's so obvious that pretty much every competition is fixed.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408One person can’t boycott something because the affect is negligible, you need a significant amount of people for a real boycott.
Shenanigans with judges at the olympics during the cold war era? Surely not!
Shenanigans with the judges at the olympics held in the Soviet Union? That bastion of sporting integrity? I think not!
As a former high/triple jump specialist, I can relate to having very dodgy calls made on my jumps. I once had to go grab my coach because a judge tried to call my jump a fail despite the bar NOT COMING OFF (this was high jump, obviously). I cleared the bar with everything but my heels cleanly, clipped it with my heels and it bounced up about 10cm and landed back on the supports, which under the rules at the time (and I assume to this day) counted as a good jump. It was my third fail in a row (I had failed twice at a lower height and the other two guys had cleared it, and I knew I could easily clear much higher if I stopped clipping the bloody bar with my heels, so I said to just go to the next height), I threw a right fit, my coach did too, he pulled out his rulebook and literally shoved the judge's nose in it, it was hilarious.
Nope I can’t believe either that the Russians would cheat either 🤔🤔
Not going to argue with you, but Flo-Jo's 100m record (set in the US trials I believe) is hardly a glowing example of sporting integrity either. The fact that is still in the books is even more ridiculous.
The “scrape” rule was initiated to prevent a jumper from basically executing a quadruple jump. In other words, if a right, right, left TJer were to come down off their step phase and immediately take a tiny step back onto their right and jump off that, they could say that they didn’t violate any rule, but only scraped with their right foot. So the rule was initiated that one mustn’t even touch the runway with any part of the free leg or foot.
Soviets/russia cheating in sports? Unheard of.
As a 66 year old masters track athlete, I find this video very informative and interesting.
Thanks for watching!
Can't we get rid of jump boards and just put some sort of tiny transmitter in the competitors shoe tip that would be picked up by a detector that, combined with hi-tech slo-mo cameras, could determine where the athlete began the jump with a very high level of precision? The jump board was, of course, used in times before these technologies existed but could be made obsolete. We also know that many jumps lose a fair amount of distance in the measurement because they took off well before they reached the board. TBH i'm more interested in how far the athlete can jump period than I am in how far they could jump relative to their ability to hit a precise take-off point.
I think there is about 0% chance that this was a fair game haha
It’s criminal that you don’t have more subscribers with the quality of these videos
I mean 400k is pretty nice, this isn't football.
@@santeenl Both USA/Canada and Football (soccer in USA/Canada) or other major sports like Basketball, Baseball, or Hockey. The biggest sports in the World.
I'm Australian and remember this.
The judges didn't simply cheat they BLATANTLY CHEATED.
But then cheating at the Olympics should be its own category and given the appropriate set of medals.
ian campbell still has our high school tj record, 16.08, i was only 3m behind him hahaha
the Soviets would sweep all the cheating medals every year.
Would be interesting to see a prequel to this, explaining why they had this rule in the first place.
It's just the definition of the triple jump itself. The rules said you are only allowed to make contact with the ground twice after your initial launch from the board. Any additional contact with the ground made it not a triple jump and thus a foul.
@@Rowgue51 Ah, that makes sense. But they removed that rule so you can do it because nobody would want to do it on purpose anyhow, as it would hinder your performance?
The rule existed because it was an additional ground contact.
If the officials hurriedly erase either the ostensible foul (at the board) or rake the pit without measuring/recording and giving the athlete the opportunity to protest, specially with close calls and big jumps, then one can't discard the possibility of collusion.
In college, I learned a better technique for the triple jump, cycling my trailing or inactive leg during the hop, which led to better performance in practice. At an inter-collegiate competition, the host university's triple-jumper was their track captain and obvious hero on campus (he himself was humbler than the aura placed on him).
During the competition (officiated by locals in that rural feudal part of India), i had a couple of indifferent jumps, since I was trying a new not yet perfected technique, sitting around in 2nd or 3rd place. Then on my 6th jump, using the same technique as I had been using, everything clicked and I hit a really good distance. You know how you can tell while you are still in the air. When I got up from the pit I saw my mark was well beyond the top jump, corroborated by the sound of the crowd and by my colleagues watching. But before they measured it, the board official called a fouled and had the pit raked. I thought it was a board foul, but they claimed I'd taken "4 steps", that I'd taken an extra step during the hop. Which is a bit silly because the trailing foot would be at the bottom of its trajectory close to when your CM would be at maximum height, and taking two steps instead of a hop would just be obvious to everybody.
When I tried to protest, they said they they would give me an extra jump after all the rest of the jumpers had finished their 6th jumps. (Which is also not any official thing to do, but I accepted it instead of registering an official protest.) When the rest of the jumpers had had their 6th jumps, they wrapped up and told me that I couldn't do an "extra" jump since the competition was over. On the basis of my valid jumps, I was in third place, and I just wrote the whole thing off.
At the awards ceremony, they called my name for second place, as some weird consolation thing, changing the records and adding in a jump I'd never done comfortably between the second place and first place jumpers'. In doing that, they just compounded their corruption, because they also cheated the second place valid jumper out of his place.
Did the Soviets need a reason to cheat, other than to come out on top? They had a reputation for cheating, particularly in sports that used judges, like figure skating.
Also, in pole vaulting competition, Soviets wanted their athlete to win. Soviet fans were taunting Polish athlete, but he won despite all that. Afterwards, he made a gesture to Soviets, what is widely consider as f... you gesture.
After what Stalin did to Poland, I don't blame the polish athlete whatsoever.
nothing new Aussies getting robbed in international events has been a theme of our history lol
Thanks. I don't care much about sports generally, and nothing about this sport, but the video was still interesting, and I watched the whole thing.
Hey I really appreciate it. Thanks for watching!
dragging your foot like touching the tail of the javelin never helped a performance and both rules were changed
I think You just gave me my next video topic!!!!!!
Not really a good comparison. It was changed in the javelin in particular because shorter athletes were at a disadvantage. In order to throw far, there *is* an optimal angle, and for some athletes who get particularly deep (center of mass distance to the ground) at plant, it's not possible to attain the angle without the javelin touching the ground.
@@Dave-lr2wo I'm only 178cm so when I throw jav, it does scrape the ground sometimes.
I was not referring to the changes in the size or shape of the javelin at one time if you touched the tail of the javelin while approaching the throw it was a foulu==============@@Dave-lr2wo
It's understandable why the rule was put in to begin with. The way the triple jump is explicitly defined in the rules said that if you contact the ground more than twice after your initial takeoff from the board then it's a foul. Scraping was indeed a foul when this occurred. Now whether the event was rigged and they were only enforcing the rule selectively to favor the russian jumpers is a whole different conversation. But they did appear to be scraping and that was a foul at the time, so the controversy over it shouldn't have been focused so much on the rule and should have been more focused on the selective enforcement of it and the apparent disappearance of the supervising officials.
Masters was also a rugby league coach in what is now the NRL.
Very interesting! Thanks.
Thanks for watching
in Brazil this was a notorious steal and outrage moment at the time.
Technically the rule for not scraping was correct. If you touch the ground with the swinging leg, it becomes quad jump. You should not be allowed to touch the ground more than 2 times after the first jump from the board.
No. Just because you touch the ground, doesn't mean you jump. A jump is a jump... Not just touching the ground.
I never knew of this event before, but I find this entire series just RIVETING! All
That was very interesting. Thanks.
Thanks read about this over 35 years when I did the TJ nice to see the video of the Australian
I jumped through high school and used to wear holes in the tops of my right shoe I dragged so much.
You showed some dude flipping in mid air, then you replayed it and replayed it and replayed it and I kept waiting for you to say something about it but nothing. Not a word of explanation. So, thanks for that.
Just an example of someone actually catching their toe with the foot coming through. In this actual scrape you can see it stops his leg coming through properly for him to land on and he ends up just supermanning into the pit. He turns in the air to avoid going in face first.
Ah, the "Unbanned Triple Jump Technique," a revolutionary athletic manoeuvre that makes the ordinary triple jump look like a casual hop. It's the athletic world's equivalent of defying gravity's gossip, allowing athletes to soar through the air like a hyper-energetic kangaroo on a trampoline, all while leaving spectators wondering if they accidentally stumbled into an interdimensional track and field competition. Just remember, with great triple jump power comes the responsibility to explain to baffled judges why you suddenly resemble a human cannonball launched by a mischievous Olympian deity.
As a brazillian, your pronunciation of João Carlos de Oliveira was so far from what I expected it made me laugh.
Great video tho
i wouldnt trust my shinbones to not just snap on either the 'hop' or the 'step' landing parts. im almost cringing just looking at these in slow mo.
..but the rules are set on how the Athletes foot touches the ground and when.....regardless of whether it is beneficial or not.....if the foot is dragged it is not a _Triple Jump_ technique period.
Lot of strange things happened during 1980 Olympic, that's why Kozakiewicz showed the gesture during pole vault competition when Volkov was supported by officials in unfair way
Campbell was robbed!
I agree 100 per cent they wanted their triple jumpers to win if he scraped his foot he would have lost balance or gone a.o.t
The guy holding the red flag waved it immediately after the jumper landed. There was not a pause to determine if the jump was a foul. Meaning he was preemptively waiting to foul the jumper.
Brazil was scammed there. João jumped almost 17.50 and was called a inexistent foul
this is interesting, good video
Thanks for watching
Great video.
Thanks Steve
Coming from someone who knows nothing about triple jump. Do these guys not have problems with their knees after their careers? It just looks rough on the legs from outside looking in
Oh ya. Research has shown that,, the force exerted by the athlete on the ground can be between 11 to 22 times their body weight.
It’s the highest measured force that a human limb is exposed to during any intentional activity (meaning car crashes and stuff like that is excluded).
So because of this, a triple jumper’s bones in their shins and thighs become thicker and denser (enhanced bone mineral content (BMC) and bone mineral density (BMD)) in order to withstand the incredible forces.
But as we age, it’s inevitable that injuries pile up.
@JumpersJunction thanks. Always found it hard to watch the event simply because it makes me cringe at the idea of pain. This explanation helped
seriously though, a slight scrape would let a jumper know they've got as long of a swing and leveraged momentum. It would have to be very slight to prevent any slowing friction.
Its really hard to study this nowdays since most of the records were either destroyed or arent were you'd expect them (Intelligence archives and not sport related for example) but I'd call every eastern block athlete result on major sports event sus...not to disgrace the athletes themselves, since the stuff was pushed on them from above with "you will take what we are giving or you are not competing" without even them knowing what were they consuming...and in the event of them being found out, they were just thrown overboard publicaly and privately...the most extensive records of systemic doping was found in Ukraine and East German archives but its more-less anecdotal and fractured in other countries due to the above
Well that really didn't surprise me. I got suspicious as soon as I saw 2 Soviets getting silver and gold.
This is awesome, and i have never watched triple jump in my life. But i will next Olympics!
It's sad that the Soviet Union/Russia just couldn't/can't compete fairly...
Kind of like grazing the bar in high jump and the bar stays on the uprights.
Why not expound what scraping does in this event. Might learn something
from being a young child, I have always thought the Olympics were rigged.
with high speed cameras and timers, there are less and less of the rigging.
Imagine Olympic officials being dirty.
don't sprinters scrape their foot when they're pushing off the blocks presumably for some kind of speed reason?
that view of the fire was backwards. When will video editors understand we can SEE it?...
Who is that Swedish athlete landing on his back and why is he in the video several times?
Jesper Hellstrom - he scrapes his swing leg on the ground and it throws him off causing him to loose control
man, when did this sport turn into a commercial
Why ban it. Simply consider it two steps. I mean if you drag your foot then lift it and plant it again that’s tech 2 contacts on that forward motion.
Great video!
Just one feedback: the overdub of you talking in the field is super distracting. Either use the original audio or just show the movement dubbed over, but don't talk over your own footage speaking!
You pronounced his name "YAW" but its pronounced "ZHO-OW".......
Great vid btw
Got it for next time. Thank you!
but what about if they all had different color paint on there shoes to show the footprint since its hard to tell over time for judges and easy for athletes to be missplaced
:30 the flame goes backwards in Russia. I never knew that!
"João"
Acceptable attempts: Juan, Jamon, Jo Ao
Narrator: Yao
5:04 Better Call Saul lol
G'day Mate
it looked at the time and still does that the TJ was fixed
3 seems too easy now, you should all try the 5 jump 😯
Jaak Uudmäe is from Estonia
Corruption in sport? Never!
1980 moscow, with two sovjet atlethes... nuff said... the country that literally got state run doping programs acroos the whole field and its more the norm then not..
mindbending that this level of rancidness havent been put in a regional OL for themself...
31.2 not 32.2
The bloopers were funny
So since when have athletes been forced to hop... That's the reason why some of us never tripped jumped so who has been lying to us
the Soviets cheated ?
I'm shocked i tell you, shocked
If I touches the ground its not a tripe jump
A TRIPE jump?
Awesome video! 100% chance that the Australian jumper was robbed of the gold medal by shady Russian judges. I can't even imagine how he must've felt and there was nothing he could do. No wonder the word Russian means cheater in 32 different languages.
Interesting claim! Please provide a source for 'russian' meaning 'cheater' in that many languages.
I recall reading an Australian newspaper article about this where he was quoted saying he was robbed of the Olympic record and was still bitter years later.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 *I AM THE SOURCE!!* My name is Roger Thesaurus. I live in the village of 'English Dictionary' in the county of Oxford, and I speak 32 different languages. The comment by thomasmckenzie4584 is only incorrect by 1 in asserting that 'Russian' means cheater in 32 languages, because in Swahili, the word 'Russian' describes a spotted land mammal, capable of very high running speeds.
Why can’t they just add an inch or two for those who step over?
There's a lot of room to improve your pronunciation of "João Carlos".
Yaaa sorry about that
Russia was notorious about calls in Olympics in the 80s. luckily higher definition/Hi framerate cameras make cheating harder/impossible now.
Let’s be honest. Given what we know today about Russia and the Olympics I’d say it’s pretty obvious they were disallowing any jump from non-Russians. They waited till they had Russians in 1st and 2nd place and then essentially just ended to competition by saying everyone else fouled. Imagine working your whole life to be an Olympic athlete and you get robbed by a bunch of cheaters. Pathetic
They’ve done it so many times. Disgusting.
No Russians involved. Saneyev was a Georgian (who died last year in Australia where he emigrated to flee the Georgian Civil War), and Uudmäe is an Estonian of course (and still alive)
@@eljanrimsa5843 Both of which were part of the USSR at the time. Don't be stupid.
a good lesson in life generally , the more petty rules there are , the more authorities can use to their ends
Not even the point of this video but João do Pulo was a Brazilian hero, the way this man butchered his name hurt a little.
It was not banned, per se; the rules stated first one leg, then the other must make contact, then the resultant jump was to be measured.
Rather than the legal Hop, Step, Jump, the athlete would be doing Hop, Step, Hop, Jump.
Making contact with the "sleeping" leg meant that FOUR jumps were being made ... in a TRIPLE jump ... which is a foul.
So, as no athlete would ever intentionally do it, the term "Banned" does not apply.
I still don't get it.
Yes the Soviet judges could not be trusted and made sure that the Soviets did not have any one else to complete against by calling fouls to the non-Soviet jumpers.
Jeez it's almost like those games were in Russia
Sort of an abrupt end in this edit.
The 1980 Olympics that the USA boycotted because athletics and politics should remain separate according to the IOC.
I can't believe triple jump is actually a thing 😂
The Olympics has always been all sorts of corrupt and very wasteful. I like the idea but I wish they'd change how they do things in a lot of ways.
USSR - note no women alive or still women from the East German 80s swim team. I guess people forgot? These sports competition were not equal so forget about reviewing. Proving crooks to be crooks isn’t needed.
Huh So you are saying that the Soviets would CHEAT? Imagine that
Oh, the Moscow Olympics wete full of "miracles".
Seems like the foxes were watching the hen house.
Mos Cow my my yanks and words
For Russia, to cheat is an acceptable and often smart way to win.
They win all the hate of the world, 👏🏻
I remember watching these Olympics and there was loads of Soviet cheating in lots of events. And if there is one thing we have learned in the years since this Olympics is that most people connected to the Olympic organisation are bent.
Same Olympics that robbed Nadia Comaneci of gold in AA