Fantastic video and summary of the events that took place. Athletics Australia recognised my jump as 17.51m in 2015. They partitioned World Athletics to award an additional medal. At no stage did they want the 'result' changed. World Athletics dismissed the appeal out of hand, despite an independent report done by Victoria Universities ISEAL research team that used 2015 technology to actually analyse my jump, concluding that no scrape occurred and the distance was 17.51m with an error factor of up to 2cm. Glad to know that our own global Federation places a high value on integrity in sport! To put all this in perspective, please remember that Joao Oliveira had a much troubled life and died very young. That is a real tragedy. He and I both agreed after the Moscow TJ, that yes, in fact, we were both robbed. Keep up the good fight!
I was born in the same city as João Oliveira. To you understand how it was tragedy to his career, one year after the moscow olympics he was involved in a car crash and had his right leg amputated. So he did not had the opportunity to try the gold medal again. After the accident he also had problems with alcoholism. He passed away in 1999. He was only 45 years old.
Ian, Thank you so much for watching! I wish RUclips you let us edit videos afterwards and I could add your comments in there. It’s a shame what happened to Joao Oliveira, he was such a good dual jumper in both the triple jump and the long jump. It’s a shame that there isn’t some kind of retroactive acknowledgment similar to what they did with Phil Shinnick.
I was born in USSR in 1975 and lived 39 years there in ussr/russia before escape to live in Chile, and even though my brain was washed with unlimited soviet propaganda finally I started to understand what an evil empire ussr was. Saneev was one of my idols as I loved athletics and before this day I had no idea that soviets judges were so unfair to you(( If I am not wrong, Saneev moved to live in Australia in 90s and first time he was a courier and delivered pizza to houses. My coach, who was once the USSR champion in the triple jump in 70s, sometimes called him on the phone. I fill sad that you were robbed with gold medal
great video, one time in high school a judge called a scrape foul on me, so i looked up the rules and showed them that they had changed and they still called my jump foul and i now feel validated :)
I remember watching this at the time. There was also controversy in the mens javelin, where, rumours say, the Russians were opening the large stadium doors to allow wind in to aid the Russian throwers.
It’s wild hearing about some of these things that were rumored to have gone on. Like in the women’s long jump, even after the IAAF officials returned there was still controversy as the official who raised the foul flag raised the red flag at first till he glances over at the sand judge who could estimate the distance, and then he switched the flag to make it a legal jump
This sounds similar to the allegation that during the 2008 Beijing Olympics the Chinese opened side doors at the archery venue to introduce unpredictable crosswinds for non-Chinese competitors.
If the officials hurriedly erase either the ostensible foul (at the board) or rake the pit without measuring/recording and giving the athlete the opportunity to protest, specially with close calls and big jumps, then one can't discard the possibility of collusion. In college, I learned a better technique for the triple jump, cycling my trailing or inactive leg during the hop, which led to better performance in practice. At an inter-collegiate competition, the host university's triple-jumper was their track captain and obvious hero on campus (he himself was humbler than the aura placed on him). During the competition (officiated by locals in that rural feudal part of India), i had a couple of indifferent jumps, since I was trying a new not yet perfected technique, sitting around in 2nd or 3rd place. Then on my 6th jump, using the same technique as I had been using, everything clicked and I hit a really good distance. You know how you can tell while you are still in the air. When I got up from the pit I saw my mark was well beyond the top jump, corroborated by the sound of the crowd and by my colleagues watching. But before they measured it, the board official called a fouled and had the pit raked. I thought it was a board foul, but they claimed I'd taken "4 steps", that I'd taken an extra step during the hop. Which is a bit silly because the trailing foot would be at the bottom of its trajectory close to when your CM would be at maximum height, and taking two steps instead of a hop would just be obvious to everybody. When I tried to protest, they said they they would give me an extra jump after all the rest of the jumpers had finished their 6th jumps. (Which is also not any official thing to do, but I accepted it instead of registering an official protest.) When the rest of the jumpers had had their 6th jumps, they wrapped up and told me that I couldn't do an "extra" jump since the competition was over. On the basis of my valid jumps, I was in third place, and I just wrote the whole thing off. At the awards ceremony, they called my name for second place, as some weird consolation thing, changing the records and adding in a jump I'd never done comfortably between the second place and first place jumpers'. In doing that, they just compounded their corruption, because they also cheated the second place valid jumper out of his place.
Still outraged by this 43 years later. Ian Campbell is quite a common name in Australia, and when I hear the name, I'm reminded of this dreadful saga and wonder what Ian Campbell himself thinks about it.
@robertlangridge6596 He literally commented right below you! Fantastic video and summary of the events that took place. Athletics Australia recognised my jump as 17.51m in 2015. They partitioned World Athletics to award an additional medal. At no stage did they want the 'result' changed. World Athletics dismissed the appeal out of hand, despite an independent report done by Victoria Universities ISEAL research team that used 2015 technology to actually analyse my jump, concluding that no scrape occurred and the distance was 17.51m with an error factor of up to 2cm. Glad to know that our own global Federation places a high value on integrity in sport! To put all this in perspective, please remember that Joao Oliveira had a much troubled life and died very young. That is a
Awesome explanation. I’m curious why the shoe conspiracy is needed though; it seems like the Russian judges had enough motivation to cheat just to get their own athletes on the podium.
There had to be a reason for the IAAF officials to not be present for the competition, considering they appeared later. It seems unlikely that it's procedure for them to not be present during early competition and only show up later.
@@marshallc6215 Well, the Olympics took place in the Soviet Union, so you'd think there would be some other motive and means for the organizers to arrange this.
@@marshallc6215 The Soviets could just have bribed the IAAF, no need to conspire with a shoe company. The red jackets were probably relaxing in a sauna with hookers
My father was friends with the chair judge that gave the fouls. He told my father he was instructed by the soviet state to give Joao fouls for his longest apparent jumps. He added that he would feel miserable everyday from that day on, and became depressed and a heavy alcoholic.
Shenanigans with judges at the olympics during the cold war era? Surely not! Shenanigans with the judges at the olympics held in the Soviet Union? That bastion of sporting integrity? I think not! As a former high/triple jump specialist, I can relate to having very dodgy calls made on my jumps. I once had to go grab my coach because a judge tried to call my jump a fail despite the bar NOT COMING OFF (this was high jump, obviously). I cleared the bar with everything but my heels cleanly, clipped it with my heels and it bounced up about 10cm and landed back on the supports, which under the rules at the time (and I assume to this day) counted as a good jump. It was my third fail in a row (I had failed twice at a lower height and the other two guys had cleared it, and I knew I could easily clear much higher if I stopped clipping the bloody bar with my heels, so I said to just go to the next height), I threw a right fit, my coach did too, he pulled out his rulebook and literally shoved the judge's nose in it, it was hilarious.
Not going to argue with you, but Flo-Jo's 100m record (set in the US trials I believe) is hardly a glowing example of sporting integrity either. The fact that is still in the books is even more ridiculous.
@@jsquire5pa That was actually my main point. Highly likely she was on steroids, though testing/proving that has been consistently blocked. The evidence of the wind assistance meaning the record should be invalid anyway is completely indisputable.
@@santeenl Both USA/Canada and Football (soccer in USA/Canada) or other major sports like Basketball, Baseball, or Hockey. The biggest sports in the World.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408One person can’t boycott something because the affect is negligible, you need a significant amount of people for a real boycott.
Can't we get rid of jump boards and just put some sort of tiny transmitter in the competitors shoe tip that would be picked up by a detector that, combined with hi-tech slo-mo cameras, could determine where the athlete began the jump with a very high level of precision? The jump board was, of course, used in times before these technologies existed but could be made obsolete. We also know that many jumps lose a fair amount of distance in the measurement because they took off well before they reached the board. TBH i'm more interested in how far the athlete can jump period than I am in how far they could jump relative to their ability to hit a precise take-off point.
Did the Soviets need a reason to cheat, other than to come out on top? They had a reputation for cheating, particularly in sports that used judges, like figure skating.
Also, in pole vaulting competition, Soviets wanted their athlete to win. Soviet fans were taunting Polish athlete, but he won despite all that. Afterwards, he made a gesture to Soviets, what is widely consider as f... you gesture.
It's just the definition of the triple jump itself. The rules said you are only allowed to make contact with the ground twice after your initial launch from the board. Any additional contact with the ground made it not a triple jump and thus a foul.
@@Rowgue51 Ah, that makes sense. But they removed that rule so you can do it because nobody would want to do it on purpose anyhow, as it would hinder your performance?
Technically the rule for not scraping was correct. If you touch the ground with the swinging leg, it becomes quad jump. You should not be allowed to touch the ground more than 2 times after the first jump from the board.
It's understandable why the rule was put in to begin with. The way the triple jump is explicitly defined in the rules said that if you contact the ground more than twice after your initial takeoff from the board then it's a foul. Scraping was indeed a foul when this occurred. Now whether the event was rigged and they were only enforcing the rule selectively to favor the russian jumpers is a whole different conversation. But they did appear to be scraping and that was a foul at the time, so the controversy over it shouldn't have been focused so much on the rule and should have been more focused on the selective enforcement of it and the apparent disappearance of the supervising officials.
I'm Australian and remember this. The judges didn't simply cheat they BLATANTLY CHEATED. But then cheating at the Olympics should be its own category and given the appropriate set of medals.
An old high school competitor of mine, Ron Livers, was supposed to go to the 1980 Olympics. But it was boycotted, and he was still mad about that. He often dragged his foot and that would disqualify him because another part of his body is t supposed to touch the ground. And it did deter his jumping distance. He also held the world record, for one year, for high jumping the most inches over one’s height.
Not really a good comparison. It was changed in the javelin in particular because shorter athletes were at a disadvantage. In order to throw far, there *is* an optimal angle, and for some athletes who get particularly deep (center of mass distance to the ground) at plant, it's not possible to attain the angle without the javelin touching the ground.
I was not referring to the changes in the size or shape of the javelin at one time if you touched the tail of the javelin while approaching the throw it was a foulu==============@@Dave-lr2wo
Many athletes from lots of nation cheat and still do. But it was very prevalent by Russia and US during cold war. Years later the athletes would die young from heart attacks etc. More recent you see the cheating of China as they emerged onto the world stage. Who is next ...
86 athletes from the USA team failed doping tests before 88 Olympics yet all were allowed to compete. There is nobody but Muritards who excel at cheating in sports. Soviets, if they cheated, were mainly leveling the playing field.
The winner Uudmäe gave a live interview in his native Estonian to the Estonian TV after the event. Emotions were running high and he blurted out that what he had feared the most was that the event would be 'measured for Saneyev', I.e. whatever anybody jumped, Saneyev's result would be declared better. (That bit of the interview was cut by the censors half an hour later for the official news programme.) There was apparently a documentary about Saneyev in the works at the time and it was almost finished, only the shots of him winning the fourth gold were missing, so the machine was primed to make him the winner. It was a bit unfortunate for him that his jumps were visibly shorter than the other blokes'. Campbell and particularly Oliveira were really fucked over, Soviet politics and all, there's not even a modicum of doubt about it. Uudmäe did jump what the final tally said, he was the only one at the top whose jumps were measured correctly and fairly. Oliveira should have been the winner and Campbell second, with Uudmäe getting the bronze. However, the Sovs couldn't have Saneyev not medalling, so the western athletes got the short end of the stick.
..but the rules are set on how the Athletes foot touches the ground and when.....regardless of whether it is beneficial or not.....if the foot is dragged it is not a _Triple Jump_ technique period.
You showed some dude flipping in mid air, then you replayed it and replayed it and replayed it and I kept waiting for you to say something about it but nothing. Not a word of explanation. So, thanks for that.
Just an example of someone actually catching their toe with the foot coming through. In this actual scrape you can see it stops his leg coming through properly for him to land on and he ends up just supermanning into the pit. He turns in the air to avoid going in face first.
It’s a stark reminder that politics can play an insidious role even in seemingly objective events like sports, and it's a great example of how public scrutiny can bring about meaningful changes in the rules.
Lot of strange things happened during 1980 Olympic, that's why Kozakiewicz showed the gesture during pole vault competition when Volkov was supported by officials in unfair way
Those Olympics were cursed... Multiple controversies where it seemed like the officials were heavily favoring their own as the IAAF had pulled their own officials and let Soviets unsupervised...
Its really hard to study this nowdays since most of the records were either destroyed or arent were you'd expect them (Intelligence archives and not sport related for example) but I'd call every eastern block athlete result on major sports event sus...not to disgrace the athletes themselves, since the stuff was pushed on them from above with "you will take what we are giving or you are not competing" without even them knowing what were they consuming...and in the event of them being found out, they were just thrown overboard publicaly and privately...the most extensive records of systemic doping was found in Ukraine and East German archives but its more-less anecdotal and fractured in other countries due to the above
The Russians Judges were corrupt. I have met and spoken to Ian. The Russians were opening the huge stadium doors access doors that could fit a truck through and these open doors behind and in front of the athletes. IN had a Russian jumping infrontof him and behind him and the doors were open for Ian's jumps and in a very long delay on his second jump (?) they decided to foul his jump. Ian would have not only broken the Mens Olympic Triple Jump Record but also the Mens Triple Jump World Record because it was @18M and the WR was 17.89 m (58 ft 8+1⁄4 in) held by João Carlos de Oliveira (BRA) set on 15 October 1975
USSR - note no women alive or still women from the East German 80s swim team. I guess people forgot? These sports competition were not equal so forget about reviewing. Proving crooks to be crooks isn’t needed.
Ever since school sports competitions, it always bugged me that if you stepped over, it just didn't count towards your total jump. Throwing an entire great performance in the bin because of one centimetre is nonsense.
seriously though, a slight scrape would let a jumper know they've got as long of a swing and leveraged momentum. It would have to be very slight to prevent any slowing friction.
It was not banned, per se; the rules stated first one leg, then the other must make contact, then the resultant jump was to be measured. Rather than the legal Hop, Step, Jump, the athlete would be doing Hop, Step, Hop, Jump. Making contact with the "sleeping" leg meant that FOUR jumps were being made ... in a TRIPLE jump ... which is a foul. So, as no athlete would ever intentionally do it, the term "Banned" does not apply.
Awesome video! 100% chance that the Australian jumper was robbed of the gold medal by shady Russian judges. I can't even imagine how he must've felt and there was nothing he could do. No wonder the word Russian means cheater in 32 different languages.
I recall reading an Australian newspaper article about this where he was quoted saying he was robbed of the Olympic record and was still bitter years later.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 *I AM THE SOURCE!!* My name is Roger Thesaurus. I live in the village of 'English Dictionary' in the county of Oxford, and I speak 32 different languages. The comment by thomasmckenzie4584 is only incorrect by 1 in asserting that 'Russian' means cheater in 32 languages, because in Swahili, the word 'Russian' describes a spotted land mammal, capable of very high running speeds.
The guy holding the red flag waved it immediately after the jumper landed. There was not a pause to determine if the jump was a foul. Meaning he was preemptively waiting to foul the jumper.
1980 moscow, with two sovjet atlethes... nuff said... the country that literally got state run doping programs acroos the whole field and its more the norm then not.. mindbending that this level of rancidness havent been put in a regional OL for themself...
Coming from someone who knows nothing about triple jump. Do these guys not have problems with their knees after their careers? It just looks rough on the legs from outside looking in
Oh ya. Research has shown that,, the force exerted by the athlete on the ground can be between 11 to 22 times their body weight. It’s the highest measured force that a human limb is exposed to during any intentional activity (meaning car crashes and stuff like that is excluded). So because of this, a triple jumper’s bones in their shins and thighs become thicker and denser (enhanced bone mineral content (BMC) and bone mineral density (BMD)) in order to withstand the incredible forces. But as we age, it’s inevitable that injuries pile up.
Great video! Just one feedback: the overdub of you talking in the field is super distracting. Either use the original audio or just show the movement dubbed over, but don't talk over your own footage speaking!
This in a similar vein to the US officials ignoring that for one Flo-Jo had a huge wind assistance and the meter was reading 0.0 when it was gusty. Also, that she was clearly doping, the US doping controls and US doping agency were a disgrace and have form. Going back to at least Carl lewis and his hidden doping at the US trials. for the 1984 games and also blood doping of the cyclists which whilst legal at the time was extremely poor form indeed!
but what about if they all had different color paint on there shoes to show the footprint since its hard to tell over time for judges and easy for athletes to be missplaced
The fact that no neutral officials were present and only the officials from the winning athletes country were there should be a massive red flag in any competition no matter the host country
My god, man, that was the worst brazilian name pronunciation I've ever heard 😂 just put it on google translate and listen, but remember: we speak portuguese, not spanish
Fantastic video and summary of the events that took place. Athletics Australia recognised my jump as 17.51m in 2015. They partitioned World Athletics to award an additional medal. At no stage did they want the 'result' changed. World Athletics dismissed the appeal out of hand, despite an independent report done by Victoria Universities ISEAL research team that used 2015 technology to actually analyse my jump, concluding that no scrape occurred and the distance was 17.51m with an error factor of up to 2cm.
Glad to know that our own global Federation places a high value on integrity in sport!
To put all this in perspective, please remember that Joao Oliveira had a much troubled life and died very young. That is a real tragedy. He and I both agreed after the Moscow TJ, that yes, in fact, we were both robbed.
Keep up the good fight!
Thank you for the comment.
I was born in the same city as João Oliveira. To you understand how it was tragedy to his career, one year after the moscow olympics he was involved in a car crash and had his right leg amputated. So he did not had the opportunity to try the gold medal again. After the accident he also had problems with alcoholism. He passed away in 1999. He was only 45 years old.
Ian,
Thank you so much for watching! I wish RUclips you let us edit videos afterwards and I could add your comments in there.
It’s a shame what happened to Joao Oliveira, he was such a good dual jumper in both the triple jump and the long jump.
It’s a shame that there isn’t some kind of retroactive acknowledgment similar to what they did with Phil Shinnick.
I was born in USSR in 1975 and lived 39 years there in ussr/russia before escape to live in Chile, and even though my brain was washed with unlimited soviet propaganda finally I started to understand what an evil empire ussr was. Saneev was one of my idols as I loved athletics and before this day I had no idea that soviets judges were so unfair to you((
If I am not wrong, Saneev moved to live in Australia in 90s and first time he was a courier and delivered pizza to houses. My coach, who was once the USSR champion in the triple jump in 70s, sometimes called him on the phone.
I fill sad that you were robbed with gold medal
@@JumpersJunction you can pin his comment.
Brazil was scammed there. João jumped almost 17.50 and was called a inexistent foul
great video, one time in high school a judge called a scrape foul on me, so i looked up the rules and showed them that they had changed and they still called my jump foul and i now feel validated :)
You deserve that win!🎉
These people in authority who won't accept that they're ever wrong, even in face of evidence, are the worst fucking people.
He must've been a commie
Yet here I am, an internet stranger, feeling rage on your behalf now what, decades later?
Probably a communist
"João do Pulo", the Brazilian in this video, was an amazing athlete! I'm pretty sure he would be the Olympic Champion under normal conditions!!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🏆
Or silver after Ian Campbell. We shall never know.
Yao como ele disse kkkkkk
I remember watching this at the time. There was also controversy in the mens javelin, where, rumours say, the Russians were opening the large stadium doors to allow wind in to aid the Russian throwers.
in fact they were doing that
It’s wild hearing about some of these things that were rumored to have gone on.
Like in the women’s long jump, even after the IAAF officials returned there was still controversy as the official who raised the foul flag raised the red flag at first till he glances over at the sand judge who could estimate the distance, and then he switched the flag to make it a legal jump
i remember that too,
Always them Russians eh lol
This sounds similar to the allegation that during the 2008 Beijing Olympics the Chinese opened side doors at the archery venue to introduce unpredictable crosswinds for non-Chinese competitors.
For any athletics fan this is awesome content. Real legit RUclips stuff like back in the day; quality content.
Thanks for the support!
But, but, but... It's over 60 seconds, and my attention span doesn't last that
If the officials hurriedly erase either the ostensible foul (at the board) or rake the pit without measuring/recording and giving the athlete the opportunity to protest, specially with close calls and big jumps, then one can't discard the possibility of collusion.
In college, I learned a better technique for the triple jump, cycling my trailing or inactive leg during the hop, which led to better performance in practice. At an inter-collegiate competition, the host university's triple-jumper was their track captain and obvious hero on campus (he himself was humbler than the aura placed on him).
During the competition (officiated by locals in that rural feudal part of India), i had a couple of indifferent jumps, since I was trying a new not yet perfected technique, sitting around in 2nd or 3rd place. Then on my 6th jump, using the same technique as I had been using, everything clicked and I hit a really good distance. You know how you can tell while you are still in the air. When I got up from the pit I saw my mark was well beyond the top jump, corroborated by the sound of the crowd and by my colleagues watching. But before they measured it, the board official called a fouled and had the pit raked. I thought it was a board foul, but they claimed I'd taken "4 steps", that I'd taken an extra step during the hop. Which is a bit silly because the trailing foot would be at the bottom of its trajectory close to when your CM would be at maximum height, and taking two steps instead of a hop would just be obvious to everybody.
When I tried to protest, they said they they would give me an extra jump after all the rest of the jumpers had finished their 6th jumps. (Which is also not any official thing to do, but I accepted it instead of registering an official protest.) When the rest of the jumpers had had their 6th jumps, they wrapped up and told me that I couldn't do an "extra" jump since the competition was over. On the basis of my valid jumps, I was in third place, and I just wrote the whole thing off.
At the awards ceremony, they called my name for second place, as some weird consolation thing, changing the records and adding in a jump I'd never done comfortably between the second place and first place jumpers'. In doing that, they just compounded their corruption, because they also cheated the second place valid jumper out of his place.
Still outraged by this 43 years later. Ian Campbell is quite a common name in Australia, and when I hear the name, I'm reminded of this dreadful saga and wonder what Ian Campbell himself thinks about it.
@robertlangridge6596
He literally commented right below you!
Fantastic video and summary of the events that took place. Athletics Australia recognised my jump as 17.51m in 2015. They partitioned World Athletics to award an additional medal. At no stage did they want the 'result' changed. World Athletics dismissed the appeal out of hand, despite an independent report done by Victoria Universities ISEAL research team that used 2015 technology to actually analyse my jump, concluding that no scrape occurred and the distance was 17.51m with an error factor of up to 2cm.
Glad to know that our own global Federation places a high value on integrity in sport!
To put all this in perspective, please remember that Joao Oliveira had a much troubled life and died very young. That is a
real tragedy. He and I both agreed after the Moscow TJ, that yes, in fact, we were both robbed.
Keep up the good fight!
As an aussie i had never heard this story.
@@jacksparrow8939 Well mate, in my book, and in my heart, you and Joao were the winners.
As a 66 year old masters track athlete, I find this video very informative and interesting.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome explanation. I’m curious why the shoe conspiracy is needed though; it seems like the Russian judges had enough motivation to cheat just to get their own athletes on the podium.
There had to be a reason for the IAAF officials to not be present for the competition, considering they appeared later. It seems unlikely that it's procedure for them to not be present during early competition and only show up later.
@@marshallc6215 Well, the Olympics took place in the Soviet Union, so you'd think there would be some other motive and means for the organizers to arrange this.
@@marshallc6215 The Soviets could just have bribed the IAAF, no need to conspire with a shoe company. The red jackets were probably relaxing in a sauna with hookers
Soviet. The winner was Estonian.
My father was friends with the chair judge that gave the fouls. He told my father he was instructed by the soviet state to give Joao fouls for his longest apparent jumps.
He added that he would feel miserable everyday from that day on, and became depressed and a heavy alcoholic.
Yeah, man. I'm the son of the judge LMAO
@@edimarjake oh yeah? tell me his name then.
Shenanigans with judges at the olympics during the cold war era? Surely not!
Shenanigans with the judges at the olympics held in the Soviet Union? That bastion of sporting integrity? I think not!
As a former high/triple jump specialist, I can relate to having very dodgy calls made on my jumps. I once had to go grab my coach because a judge tried to call my jump a fail despite the bar NOT COMING OFF (this was high jump, obviously). I cleared the bar with everything but my heels cleanly, clipped it with my heels and it bounced up about 10cm and landed back on the supports, which under the rules at the time (and I assume to this day) counted as a good jump. It was my third fail in a row (I had failed twice at a lower height and the other two guys had cleared it, and I knew I could easily clear much higher if I stopped clipping the bloody bar with my heels, so I said to just go to the next height), I threw a right fit, my coach did too, he pulled out his rulebook and literally shoved the judge's nose in it, it was hilarious.
Nope I can’t believe either that the Russians would cheat either 🤔🤔
Not going to argue with you, but Flo-Jo's 100m record (set in the US trials I believe) is hardly a glowing example of sporting integrity either. The fact that is still in the books is even more ridiculous.
For a judge to not know the basic rules of whatever event he/she is judging is just beyond the pale.
@@mattc3581well not only was it dope enhanced it was also wind assisted ..
@@jsquire5pa That was actually my main point. Highly likely she was on steroids, though testing/proving that has been consistently blocked. The evidence of the wind assistance meaning the record should be invalid anyway is completely indisputable.
It’s criminal that you don’t have more subscribers with the quality of these videos
I mean 400k is pretty nice, this isn't football.
@@santeenl Both USA/Canada and Football (soccer in USA/Canada) or other major sports like Basketball, Baseball, or Hockey. The biggest sports in the World.
It's so sad that a cheating sportsman can get banned but when an official does it the result can/will stand.
Boycott the Olympics. I know I have. It's so obvious that pretty much every competition is fixed.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408One person can’t boycott something because the affect is negligible, you need a significant amount of people for a real boycott.
Can't we get rid of jump boards and just put some sort of tiny transmitter in the competitors shoe tip that would be picked up by a detector that, combined with hi-tech slo-mo cameras, could determine where the athlete began the jump with a very high level of precision? The jump board was, of course, used in times before these technologies existed but could be made obsolete. We also know that many jumps lose a fair amount of distance in the measurement because they took off well before they reached the board. TBH i'm more interested in how far the athlete can jump period than I am in how far they could jump relative to their ability to hit a precise take-off point.
Did the Soviets need a reason to cheat, other than to come out on top? They had a reputation for cheating, particularly in sports that used judges, like figure skating.
Tonya Harding. Marion Jones. Lance Armstrong.
I think there is about 0% chance that this was a fair game haha
Ian Campbell was literally robbed. The jumps were clear and the judges know it.
Also, in pole vaulting competition, Soviets wanted their athlete to win. Soviet fans were taunting Polish athlete, but he won despite all that. Afterwards, he made a gesture to Soviets, what is widely consider as f... you gesture.
After what Stalin did to Poland, I don't blame the polish athlete whatsoever.
in Brazil this was a notorious steal and outrage moment at the time.
Masters was also a rugby league coach in what is now the NRL.
Thanks. I don't care much about sports generally, and nothing about this sport, but the video was still interesting, and I watched the whole thing.
Hey I really appreciate it. Thanks for watching!
Would be interesting to see a prequel to this, explaining why they had this rule in the first place.
It's just the definition of the triple jump itself. The rules said you are only allowed to make contact with the ground twice after your initial launch from the board. Any additional contact with the ground made it not a triple jump and thus a foul.
@@Rowgue51 Ah, that makes sense. But they removed that rule so you can do it because nobody would want to do it on purpose anyhow, as it would hinder your performance?
nothing new Aussies getting robbed in international events has been a theme of our history lol
Technically the rule for not scraping was correct. If you touch the ground with the swinging leg, it becomes quad jump. You should not be allowed to touch the ground more than 2 times after the first jump from the board.
No. Just because you touch the ground, doesn't mean you jump. A jump is a jump... Not just touching the ground.
I never knew of this event before, but I find this entire series just RIVETING! All
It's understandable why the rule was put in to begin with. The way the triple jump is explicitly defined in the rules said that if you contact the ground more than twice after your initial takeoff from the board then it's a foul. Scraping was indeed a foul when this occurred. Now whether the event was rigged and they were only enforcing the rule selectively to favor the russian jumpers is a whole different conversation. But they did appear to be scraping and that was a foul at the time, so the controversy over it shouldn't have been focused so much on the rule and should have been more focused on the selective enforcement of it and the apparent disappearance of the supervising officials.
I'm Australian and remember this.
The judges didn't simply cheat they BLATANTLY CHEATED.
But then cheating at the Olympics should be its own category and given the appropriate set of medals.
ian campbell still has our high school tj record, 16.08, i was only 3m behind him hahaha
the Soviets would sweep all the cheating medals every year.
Why not expound what scraping does in this event. Might learn something
An old high school competitor of mine, Ron Livers, was supposed to go to the 1980 Olympics. But it was boycotted, and he was still mad about that. He often dragged his foot and that would disqualify him because another part of his body is t supposed to touch the ground. And it did deter his jumping distance. He also held the world record, for one year, for high jumping the most inches over one’s height.
Very informative. Thanks 🙏🏽
dragging your foot like touching the tail of the javelin never helped a performance and both rules were changed
I think You just gave me my next video topic!!!!!!
Not really a good comparison. It was changed in the javelin in particular because shorter athletes were at a disadvantage. In order to throw far, there *is* an optimal angle, and for some athletes who get particularly deep (center of mass distance to the ground) at plant, it's not possible to attain the angle without the javelin touching the ground.
@@Dave-lr2wo I'm only 178cm so when I throw jav, it does scrape the ground sometimes.
I was not referring to the changes in the size or shape of the javelin at one time if you touched the tail of the javelin while approaching the throw it was a foulu==============@@Dave-lr2wo
As a brazillian, your pronunciation of João Carlos de Oliveira was so far from what I expected it made me laugh.
Great video tho
Soviets/russia cheating in sports? Unheard of.
I doubt there's more than 10% of athletes who would be considered clean.
Many athletes from lots of nation cheat and still do.
But it was very prevalent by Russia and US during cold war. Years later the athletes would die young from heart attacks etc.
More recent you see the cheating of China as they emerged onto the world stage.
Who is next ...
86 athletes from the USA team failed doping tests before 88 Olympics yet all were allowed to compete. There is nobody but Muritards who excel at cheating in sports. Soviets, if they cheated, were mainly leveling the playing field.
That was very interesting. Thanks.
Wow, I did not know any of this. Thank you
Very interesting! Thanks.
Thanks for watching
Thanks read about this over 35 years when I did the TJ nice to see the video of the Australian
The winner Uudmäe gave a live interview in his native Estonian to the Estonian TV after the event. Emotions were running high and he blurted out that what he had feared the most was that the event would be 'measured for Saneyev', I.e. whatever anybody jumped, Saneyev's result would be declared better. (That bit of the interview was cut by the censors half an hour later for the official news programme.) There was apparently a documentary about Saneyev in the works at the time and it was almost finished, only the shots of him winning the fourth gold were missing, so the machine was primed to make him the winner. It was a bit unfortunate for him that his jumps were visibly shorter than the other blokes'. Campbell and particularly Oliveira were really fucked over, Soviet politics and all, there's not even a modicum of doubt about it. Uudmäe did jump what the final tally said, he was the only one at the top whose jumps were measured correctly and fairly. Oliveira should have been the winner and Campbell second, with Uudmäe getting the bronze. However, the Sovs couldn't have Saneyev not medalling, so the western athletes got the short end of the stick.
this comment should be pinned!
I don't understand how these world class athletes compete in Olympics without knowing these rules. I'm not passing any judgements.🙏🏼🧿🤞🏼!
Jaak Uudmäe is from Estonia
@jumpers........ brilliant you are correct my friend
..but the rules are set on how the Athletes foot touches the ground and when.....regardless of whether it is beneficial or not.....if the foot is dragged it is not a _Triple Jump_ technique period.
I jumped through high school and used to wear holes in the tops of my right shoe I dragged so much.
Great video.
Thanks Steve
You showed some dude flipping in mid air, then you replayed it and replayed it and replayed it and I kept waiting for you to say something about it but nothing. Not a word of explanation. So, thanks for that.
Just an example of someone actually catching their toe with the foot coming through. In this actual scrape you can see it stops his leg coming through properly for him to land on and he ends up just supermanning into the pit. He turns in the air to avoid going in face first.
it's self explanatory
It’s a stark reminder that politics can play an insidious role even in seemingly objective events like sports, and it's a great example of how public scrutiny can bring about meaningful changes in the rules.
Lot of strange things happened during 1980 Olympic, that's why Kozakiewicz showed the gesture during pole vault competition when Volkov was supported by officials in unfair way
Campbell was robbed!
I agree 100 per cent they wanted their triple jumpers to win if he scraped his foot he would have lost balance or gone a.o.t
Disgusting but typical Soviet corruption… Well done, Kevin. You were the true Olympic champion that year.
Carl "Needle" Lewis
First video I've seen from this chap, but is this Charlie from Charisma on Command?
Love that channel!
Jaak Uudmäe is Estonian. Representing USSR only cos Russian steel fist had them by the throat that time.
I saw some of the olympic diving competition. To avoid these problems, they actually only count three out the seven judges.
Those Olympics were cursed... Multiple controversies where it seemed like the officials were heavily favoring their own as the IAAF had pulled their own officials and let Soviets unsupervised...
Halle Berry's pixie cut was named after her during the 90s. Women had 'The Rachel' and 'The Halle Berry'. She definitely ate.
Its really hard to study this nowdays since most of the records were either destroyed or arent were you'd expect them (Intelligence archives and not sport related for example) but I'd call every eastern block athlete result on major sports event sus...not to disgrace the athletes themselves, since the stuff was pushed on them from above with "you will take what we are giving or you are not competing" without even them knowing what were they consuming...and in the event of them being found out, they were just thrown overboard publicaly and privately...the most extensive records of systemic doping was found in Ukraine and East German archives but its more-less anecdotal and fractured in other countries due to the above
5:04 Better Call Saul lol
The rule existed because it was an additional ground contact.
How illogical is that? Not you, the thought that scraping aided distance.
this is interesting, good video
Thanks for watching
Yoo that yellow jumper torpedo himself 😂😂😂
The Russians Judges were corrupt. I have met and spoken to Ian. The Russians were opening the huge stadium doors access doors that could fit a truck through and these open doors behind and in front of the athletes. IN had a Russian jumping infrontof him and behind him and the doors were open for Ian's jumps and in a very long delay on his second jump (?) they decided to foul his jump. Ian would have not only broken the Mens Olympic Triple Jump Record but also the Mens Triple Jump World Record because it was @18M and the WR was 17.89 m (58 ft 8+1⁄4 in) held by João Carlos de Oliveira (BRA) set on 15 October 1975
USSR - note no women alive or still women from the East German 80s swim team. I guess people forgot? These sports competition were not equal so forget about reviewing. Proving crooks to be crooks isn’t needed.
This is awesome, and i have never watched triple jump in my life. But i will next Olympics!
i wouldnt trust my shinbones to not just snap on either the 'hop' or the 'step' landing parts. im almost cringing just looking at these in slow mo.
You pronounced his name "YAW" but its pronounced "ZHO-OW".......
Great vid btw
Got it for next time. Thank you!
Who is that Swedish athlete landing on his back and why is he in the video several times?
Jesper Hellstrom - he scrapes his swing leg on the ground and it throws him off causing him to loose control
Ever since school sports competitions, it always bugged me that if you stepped over, it just didn't count towards your total jump. Throwing an entire great performance in the bin because of one centimetre is nonsense.
Soviets cheated in many of the events at Moscow Olympics, ESPECIALLY in the javelin
There was a reason we Americans pulled out of the Moscow Olympics, BS like this.
seriously though, a slight scrape would let a jumper know they've got as long of a swing and leveraged momentum. It would have to be very slight to prevent any slowing friction.
Just another case of Russia getting its own way
It was not banned, per se; the rules stated first one leg, then the other must make contact, then the resultant jump was to be measured.
Rather than the legal Hop, Step, Jump, the athlete would be doing Hop, Step, Hop, Jump.
Making contact with the "sleeping" leg meant that FOUR jumps were being made ... in a TRIPLE jump ... which is a foul.
So, as no athlete would ever intentionally do it, the term "Banned" does not apply.
from being a young child, I have always thought the Olympics were rigged.
with high speed cameras and timers, there are less and less of the rigging.
Awesome video! 100% chance that the Australian jumper was robbed of the gold medal by shady Russian judges. I can't even imagine how he must've felt and there was nothing he could do. No wonder the word Russian means cheater in 32 different languages.
Interesting claim! Please provide a source for 'russian' meaning 'cheater' in that many languages.
I recall reading an Australian newspaper article about this where he was quoted saying he was robbed of the Olympic record and was still bitter years later.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 *I AM THE SOURCE!!* My name is Roger Thesaurus. I live in the village of 'English Dictionary' in the county of Oxford, and I speak 32 different languages. The comment by thomasmckenzie4584 is only incorrect by 1 in asserting that 'Russian' means cheater in 32 languages, because in Swahili, the word 'Russian' describes a spotted land mammal, capable of very high running speeds.
The guy holding the red flag waved it immediately after the jumper landed. There was not a pause to determine if the jump was a foul. Meaning he was preemptively waiting to foul the jumper.
Well that really didn't surprise me. I got suspicious as soon as I saw 2 Soviets getting silver and gold.
:30 the flame goes backwards in Russia. I never knew that!
1980 moscow, with two sovjet atlethes... nuff said... the country that literally got state run doping programs acroos the whole field and its more the norm then not..
mindbending that this level of rancidness havent been put in a regional OL for themself...
Corruption in sport? Never!
Boycotts rather than losing in a fair competition. Nothing has changed
The fix was in, it was obviously a stitch-up: to get USSR gold-medalling at the the Moscow Olympics.
The bloopers were funny
G'day Mate
Coming from someone who knows nothing about triple jump. Do these guys not have problems with their knees after their careers? It just looks rough on the legs from outside looking in
Oh ya. Research has shown that,, the force exerted by the athlete on the ground can be between 11 to 22 times their body weight.
It’s the highest measured force that a human limb is exposed to during any intentional activity (meaning car crashes and stuff like that is excluded).
So because of this, a triple jumper’s bones in their shins and thighs become thicker and denser (enhanced bone mineral content (BMC) and bone mineral density (BMD)) in order to withstand the incredible forces.
But as we age, it’s inevitable that injuries pile up.
@JumpersJunction thanks. Always found it hard to watch the event simply because it makes me cringe at the idea of pain. This explanation helped
Understatement!
Imagine Olympic officials being dirty.
Great video!
Just one feedback: the overdub of you talking in the field is super distracting. Either use the original audio or just show the movement dubbed over, but don't talk over your own footage speaking!
that view of the fire was backwards. When will video editors understand we can SEE it?...
3 seems too easy now, you should all try the 5 jump 😯
If I touches the ground its not a tripe jump
A TRIPE jump?
Kind of like grazing the bar in high jump and the bar stays on the uprights.
Russia was notorious about calls in Olympics in the 80s. luckily higher definition/Hi framerate cameras make cheating harder/impossible now.
Seems like the foxes were watching the hen house.
a good lesson in life generally , the more petty rules there are , the more authorities can use to their ends
This in a similar vein to the US officials ignoring that for one Flo-Jo had a huge wind assistance and the meter was reading 0.0 when it was gusty. Also, that she was clearly doping, the US doping controls and US doping agency were a disgrace and have form. Going back to at least Carl lewis and his hidden doping at the US trials. for the 1984 games and also blood doping of the cyclists which whilst legal at the time was extremely poor form indeed!
Why ban it. Simply consider it two steps. I mean if you drag your foot then lift it and plant it again that’s tech 2 contacts on that forward motion.
but what about if they all had different color paint on there shoes to show the footprint since its hard to tell over time for judges and easy for athletes to be missplaced
The 1980 Olympics that the USA boycotted because athletics and politics should remain separate according to the IOC.
The fact that no neutral officials were present and only the officials from the winning athletes country were there should be a massive red flag in any competition no matter the host country
Intuitively IMO dragging your toe will help you. It will 'hold you up' as you fly thru the air.
My god, man, that was the worst brazilian name pronunciation I've ever heard 😂 just put it on google translate and listen, but remember: we speak portuguese, not spanish