I pledged...and on the last day...yoinked it. I had a look at where they were already at and was super impressed, but then looked back at what the F0 team had done... 🤯 $4.8M 😳 It may have been because it was the first of its kind, but yeah...just not quite enough to fully sell me on the M1.
Also, when he's pressing the M1 to open the gate he is at the same time pressing the button on the gate opener. Hmmm.... Now that's not weird at all! My spidey-sence is tingling! 😅
It really looks like ‘another flipper’.. the power of flipper is the community and all the custom stuff that is being made for it. It really depends on how many people would switch from flipper to this to get the same level of tooling and ‘support’. But because it’s not adding much features compared to flipper (except the build in WiFi we didn’t see yet), I don’t expect a lot of people switching over.
I'm fine with it. I've stuffed more than $109. in G strings and got little out if it. People are mad claiming it's a F0 rip off. Bigger screen, better processor, onboard 2.4 ghz wifi, along with a free case, translucent shell for backers only, and a choice of colors all make it stand out from the F0. In the end its the community that's going to be the deciding factor over which device wins or loses. If developers ignore the M1 then its dead in the water. They might prefer it over the F0 and the M1 could be the king. Again for $109. I'm in it to see what happens
Realistically, so far as I can tell, the *only* 2 advantages of this are WiFi built in and it's possibly going to be half the price compared to Flipper Zero (at time flipper was released) . Could/should still be a nice gadget for the collection
I honestly don't get the point of buying such a gadget. The point of hacking RF is to reverse engineer systems relying on RF, and understand/learn how they work in the process, because that's where the fun is. Then, potentially identify opportunities moving forward, such as identify ways to make an existing system better or get ideas to build a new product. Buying a device like flipper or its knock off (M1) makes you a consumer of a hacking device. Logically, you would intend to use it to pirate systems (bypass someone else's NFC tagging solution, mess up with a Tesla owner, etc....), and do illegal stuff. That's not exactly fun IMHO. IDK, maybe i'm different lol.
Seems dope, but can we get a video on how to spoof an apple airtag or track it with the Momentum firmware? I saw you said something about it last video and I'm not sure how do to it on my own lmao
Likely the problem with integrated wifi is being able to sell it with it built in (fcc and other certification) as an option, it's easy to sell it, (especially as development, not 'for wifi') but built in changes things. That's what flip did.
I was hyper suspicious of this from the moment it dropped. I ended up not going for it based on that but who knows, it might end up being good? Not holding my breath though.
Them faking their prototype video with what it can do and faking the demonstration is an instant red flag. Wait for the community to get them before your purchase.
The promo vids are likely fudged a bit. I'd pay attention to the details of the finished product vs specs. And rolling codes on many cars can be done easily with a few techniques on f0 or hrf that are common enough i'd expect you to know them. It's iffy but also what do you expect?
I'm a backer.. we shall see what comes from this. It could do all the things they claim it can, but if the community doesn't adopt and develop apps then this will be a cold fish.... Fingers crossed
I'm in the mid 950's of backers. 1.3 million is good enough to bring it to market. If it's a rugpull there will be a very big lawsuit, and probably criminal charges. So I feel pretty good about it. At the end of the day I've stuffed more than $109. in a g string or two in my life with similar results
I feel like this device is a knock off flipper and also, the project itself seems suspicious and the fact that they raised 1 million dollars and they can’t make well made prototype videos and introduction videos is crazy. the device looks cool but i’m unsure if it’ll be as well as the flipper only if it gets released. i really hope in the feature, they can have a better prototype video and also a mobile app for the device like the flipper. also, great video sasquatch!
I wish that they would show the internals of the prototype, it if they really wanna opensource it then i dont see why they would not also show more of their PCB work and and all the things inside it, other than that small crappy image at the bottom of their kickstarter page. But it all just feels like the took a flipper zero and re-skinned it for their kickstarter to get something semi believable for all the suckers with money to burn. My best guess is that its a SCAM!!!
I pledged F0, cyperpro and the M1. I love these toys. Not as cool as parrot OS on a bare metal Chromebook, but they are fun to play with and they are great educational tools.
Flipper has a very BIG community these days with lots of software/firmware etc. If Flipper software is easy to convert to M1, then they will be successful.
I'm excited to see more products like the flipper zero, competition gives us more options and forces companies to innovate. TBH though, the M1 looks like a nugget mp3 player 😂
I almost backed this project. I was pondering until the last minute while doing some research, but none of the comments I read anywhere were positive. The videos are also pretty bad and goofy. In the end, aside from the built in wifi, this isn’t much different from the Flipper Zero and I’d be surprised if the M1 attracts the same level of community involvement. I wish them good luck and hope to be wrong. If it works out well for them, I’ll buy one retail.
I guess it is still too early to tell the final price, but It still looks like a flipper zero. I paid the extra money for the wifi GPIO card. So unless the price is less I do not see any major advantage. Thanks for the review.
I prefer the angled IR blaster on the flipper for staying a bit less noticeable. Everybody knows that you’re controlling something when you’re pointing directly at it.
flipper has first mover advantage with community support, which this does not have regardless of legitimacy. a next model of the flipper was always in mind before the first one made it to market. the best this device could probably achieve is an incremental upgrade of wifi built-in, without adding anything significant or distinctive in the process. there isn't a compelling differentiator to pick this over an already available flipper other than a new form factor. the next thing probably to consider might be the next model of the flipper zero, if they can put together a compelling successor with the backing of the community.
I dig the specs on it but...will it have the support and community Flipper has already established? If it ends up being more than a one run/trick pony that may change.
I wouldn’t want Wi-Fi embedded in my Flipper, I think that runs into some privacy concerns, especially with what’s going on in Canada. I don’t need my Flipper to be another iPhone.
I really doubt this thing is going to be the evolution of a flipper zero, As an example for one of my gate keys, I had to clone the remote signal by pressing the remote 5-6 times. Once Flipper reads that it works on the gate, however to restore remote functionality, the original remote has to be pressed 5-6 times until it worked. What I am doing is somewhat called remote desync relearn, which an original remote with a rolling code + encryption is pressed as if it was desynced to resync the current values the gate and reader has. Of course management has to be told or known the current remote was defective and advised to ignore all the alerts the reader software gave them. Every time I used the signals it gave out, the gate was relearning the remote rolling code iteration. (really sus) If the remote doesn't work for some reason I can easily tag my flipper or badge to the gate and it would work normally. Their website was showing a clipper card, well I have one and even the flipper won't have functions for that card like a 125khz card.
I think the software is lagging way behind. It seems it only has the copy feature for tags, but not even for the subGhz. Without good software, Flipper Zero would not be what it is. Same for the M1. I backed and I cancelled because of the lack of info about software. The remark about the low amount required in the campaign is actually a good remark. That would not haved paid the salary of the software developer. If my hypothesis is right, there is maybe one year of SW dev to go before having a viable product. 10'000$ is one or two month of development. That does not match. Either they have another source of funding, or I don't know how they would have managed it. Wait & see, but today, the product is not ready it seems.
Hey love the vids, but it's almost like the Motorola logo. Is it me? Maybe they lost the copyright after selling it to China? Just wondering....and sorry, I was commenting to quickly but I do agree, the gate should have opened. We already have the flipper, why with proven technology would you chance on something with misleading promo videos. We'll see how they do. I wish them the best of luck but keep it real.
sorry but devices like flipper or M1 are not for WIFI i can use phone with nethunter and be more flexible. i see it like more for SubGhz, RFID, NFC or BT.
M1 is silly for many reasons and if you track the company back it goes to a place in Africa or something. Very sus. You need to review Dragon OS Focal. It's the grown up way to use the devices you cover. Also... First!! 😊
Yo, I know this sounds like a stretch but while you were giving some constructive criticism in regards to the video quality it made me think that you defiantly know the recipe to what would make a good product that highlights the things the flipper Zero and HackrfOne lack and it would be cool in the future if you teamed up with some peeps and made a product and ran a crowd funding campaign and such. If this is ever something you are thinking about doing, I work as a field technician in radio and have a few ideas for feature that would be awesome to see on the next generation of these devices
6:04 Okay so yeah, the specs say LCD. The screen is in the same state every point in de video though. I doubt they even have a working prototype. It's seems like a sheet of printed plastic with a light source behind it. This reeks like scammmm.
SUS´n SCAM xD saved it on kickstarter, but when you take a closer look it is...yeah...a bit lets say "questionable"...maybe stay with the OG and MAYBE one day there will be an updated version (from ZERO to HERO) with WIFI and whatever fun stuff!
It's looking just like a "different looking" Flipper to me. Yet, I still adore the retro vibe that the Flipper gives off.
The whole project seems a little suspicious. But it would be a very cool thing if they actually produced it.
Agreed! I'm always cautious of Kickstarters for sure.
That's why I didn't order too.
Yup.... I had my suspicions, also didn't pre-order
I pledged...and on the last day...yoinked it.
I had a look at where they were already at and was super impressed, but then looked back at what the F0 team had done... 🤯 $4.8M 😳
It may have been because it was the first of its kind, but yeah...just not quite enough to fully sell me on the M1.
this one in particular has way less actual info than other kickstarters @@TalkingSasquach
Also, when he's pressing the M1 to open the gate he is at the same time pressing the button on the gate opener. Hmmm.... Now that's not weird at all! My spidey-sence is tingling! 😅
Yeah, definitely a bit sketchy
Plot twist... his buddy was standing behind him and pressed the button on the actual gate remote to open it. 😂😂
It really looks like ‘another flipper’.. the power of flipper is the community and all the custom stuff that is being made for it.
It really depends on how many people would switch from flipper to this to get the same level of tooling and ‘support’. But because it’s not adding much features compared to flipper (except the build in WiFi we didn’t see yet), I don’t expect a lot of people switching over.
it'll never have Clara and Willy, so I'm good
But it lacks iButton though. If it even exists.
I'm fine with it. I've stuffed more than $109. in G strings and got little out if it.
People are mad claiming it's a F0 rip off. Bigger screen, better processor, onboard 2.4 ghz wifi, along with a free case, translucent shell for backers only, and a choice of colors all make it stand out from the F0.
In the end its the community that's going to be the deciding factor over which device wins or loses. If developers ignore the M1 then its dead in the water. They might prefer it over the F0 and the M1 could be the king. Again for $109. I'm in it to see what happens
It’s a scam, that 10k says they just want cash and later Say they canceled the project
It's possible!
Realistically, so far as I can tell, the *only* 2 advantages of this are WiFi built in and it's possibly going to be half the price compared to Flipper Zero (at time flipper was released) . Could/should still be a nice gadget for the collection
Agreed! Also, good to hear from you!
I honestly don't get the point of buying such a gadget. The point of hacking RF is to reverse engineer systems relying on RF, and understand/learn how they work in the process, because that's where the fun is. Then, potentially identify opportunities moving forward, such as identify ways to make an existing system better or get ideas to build a new product.
Buying a device like flipper or its knock off (M1) makes you a consumer of a hacking device. Logically, you would intend to use it to pirate systems (bypass someone else's NFC tagging solution, mess up with a Tesla owner, etc....), and do illegal stuff. That's not exactly fun IMHO. IDK, maybe i'm different lol.
Seems dope, but can we get a video on how to spoof an apple airtag or track it with the Momentum firmware? I saw you said something about it last video and I'm not sure how do to it on my own lmao
Likely the problem with integrated wifi is being able to sell it with it built in (fcc and other certification) as an option, it's easy to sell it, (especially as development, not 'for wifi') but built in changes things.
That's what flip did.
It's almost a direct rip of the Flipper. Why would I invest in something that does, I guess the same thing as the Flipper. I'll wait for Flipper 2.
I was hyper suspicious of this from the moment it dropped. I ended up not going for it based on that but who knows, it might end up being good? Not holding my breath though.
I totally agree!
I wish I knew about this sooner I would've backed this
There will be PLENTY of time, and now you're guaranteed to be protected if this turns into a rug-pull.
@@TalkingSasquachI’m new to kickstarter, but I’m stoked to hear there’s still plenty of time. How do I back this at this point?
How do I get my hands on 1. Tried to back it but it's already done.
There’s more released now for a limited time
The best channel and community to keep you in the know..❤❤❤
That goosebumps shirt is awesome.
Them faking their prototype video with what it can do and faking the demonstration is an instant red flag. Wait for the community to get them before your purchase.
the angle on the ir sensor on the flipper actually helps when being sneaky .
The promo vids are likely fudged a bit. I'd pay attention to the details of the finished product vs specs. And rolling codes on many cars can be done easily with a few techniques on f0 or hrf that are common enough i'd expect you to know them. It's iffy but also what do you expect?
Really? Can you show how or link to a video demonstrating? I'm genuinely curious & not being sarcastic❤
Only with honda so no, its not possible. I mean you could jam it etc.
And then use the code for you but that is so much work to get the code
Exactly the same as a flipper, nothing new, nothing really better, for me it's the same 😅
WiFi is definitely a nice addition, but i agree, its pretty similar.
I'm a backer.. we shall see what comes from this. It could do all the things they claim it can, but if the community doesn't adopt and develop apps then this will be a cold fish.... Fingers crossed
I'm in the mid 950's of backers. 1.3 million is good enough to bring it to market. If it's a rugpull there will be a very big lawsuit, and probably criminal charges. So I feel pretty good about it.
At the end of the day I've stuffed more than $109. in a g string or two in my life with similar results
I feel like this device is a knock off flipper and also, the project itself seems suspicious and the fact that they raised 1 million dollars and they can’t make well made prototype videos and introduction videos is crazy. the device looks cool but i’m unsure if it’ll be as well as the flipper only if it gets released. i really hope in the feature, they can have a better prototype video and also a mobile app for the device like the flipper. also, great video sasquatch!
When I got the ad on Facebook, I wrote:
"Basically a Flipper Zero in boring"
Comment was deleted within 15 minutes. 🤣
Based 😂
I remember having some of my comments on youtube comments 'disappearing' too
For me the entire project is suspicious, we already got the Flipper Zero and the WiFi dev board for WiFi stuff
I wish that they would show the internals of the prototype, it if they really wanna opensource it then i dont see why they would not also show more of their PCB work and and all the things inside it, other than that small crappy image at the bottom of their kickstarter page.
But it all just feels like the took a flipper zero and re-skinned it for their kickstarter to get something semi believable for all the suckers with money to burn.
My best guess is that its a SCAM!!!
+1 looks for me the same
I pledged F0, cyperpro and the M1. I love these toys. Not as cool as parrot OS on a bare metal Chromebook, but they are fun to play with and they are great educational tools.
Flipper has a very BIG community these days with lots of software/firmware etc. If Flipper software is easy to convert to M1, then they will be successful.
I'm excited to see more products like the flipper zero, competition gives us more options and forces companies to innovate. TBH though, the M1 looks like a nugget mp3 player 😂
More hackrf please, I loved the last two!
I'm still waiting for the original Flipper One, same community and much better hardware.
Im a little suspicious on it but its good to see the flipper getting some competition
I backed this project, hope it all pans out.
idk about connecting a device that stores all your garage door and remote controlled devices keys to the internet... Flipper had it right.
I almost backed this project. I was pondering until the last minute while doing some research, but none of the comments I read anywhere were positive. The videos are also pretty bad and goofy. In the end, aside from the built in wifi, this isn’t much different from the Flipper Zero and I’d be surprised if the M1 attracts the same level of community involvement. I wish them good luck and hope to be wrong. If it works out well for them, I’ll buy one retail.
That's pretty much where I'm at with it.
I guess it is still too early to tell the final price, but It still looks like a flipper zero. I paid the extra money for the wifi GPIO card. So unless the price is less I do not see any major advantage. Thanks for the review.
is there any gpio board for the flipper that extends sub ghz range that doesnt use the cc1101?
Not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Boy I hope you can change the screen colors and make a splash screen, so it can be just as powerful as the flipper zero.
I prefer the angled IR blaster on the flipper for staying a bit less noticeable. Everybody knows that you’re controlling something when you’re pointing directly at it.
what is the range flipper ?
I believe Flipper Zero
will add WiFi on an upgraded model
This is looking cool
I understand the complaints about the infrared placement on the flipper but it is at the perfect Angle for sniping projectors at school
I'd like to see this one come to life. Also, I'm done with KS, unless the project is from someone I know, I won't even consider it
Update - they have said they are prototype testing right now. Taking them by their word it might not be too long to see one.
Need more folks on teaching that flipper thing
great vid as always 🔥🚒
Thanks! I appreciate you!
So they're making a flipper zero... with the wifi module built in? Seems sus af, honestly...
On a scale of flipper zero to Cyperpro how we feeling about this?
flipper has first mover advantage with community support, which this does not have regardless of legitimacy.
a next model of the flipper was always in mind before the first one made it to market.
the best this device could probably achieve is an incremental upgrade of wifi built-in, without adding anything significant or distinctive in the process. there isn't a compelling differentiator to pick this over an already available flipper other than a new form factor.
the next thing probably to consider might be the next model of the flipper zero, if they can put together a compelling successor with the backing of the community.
As always, it looks absolutely incredible! But will it become a thing? Hopefully! Also, what happened to the Cyper Pro?
Excellent video as always, Sasquatch!
without Clara and Willy as devs this can only end up being the Costco Flopper Zorro
I backed this project, will report back in July when they start shipping as to if it was legit
Thank you for this kind of videos!
I dig the specs on it but...will it have the support and community Flipper has already established? If it ends up being more than a one run/trick pony that may change.
any updates or is this vaporware too?
Doesn't feature: Cute dolphin mascot
why they would fake loading any payloads via usb as opposed to just running a simple ducky script that brings up cmd for the video is a little sus.
I hope it’s not vapor ware
I wouldn’t want Wi-Fi embedded in my Flipper, I think that runs into some privacy concerns, especially with what’s going on in Canada. I don’t need my Flipper to be another iPhone.
Not a big fan of the "line" going across the face of the M1. It makes it look like a seam in the plastic. Other than that, it looks cool.
12:20 That was probably an editing choice, to be honest. Maybe they needed a shorter video or something.
Oh boy, the gate opening video looks like a chroma key background !!!
so Flipper clone with bulky case ? we need more slim / small case.
Cost?????
I still think Flipper Zero is the goto here due to the community that evolved around it
So expensive now and banned in Canada
Good job
Outdoor videos look like chroma key. Lighting is all wrong and backgrounds looks frozen until they're not.
What can this do that a flipper can't? this thing is 169 for early bird O_O im so good right now. ill wait for it to come out
The gate video looked green screened too
I really doubt this thing is going to be the evolution of a flipper zero, As an example for one of my gate keys, I had to clone the remote signal by pressing the remote 5-6 times. Once Flipper reads that it works on the gate, however to restore remote functionality, the original remote has to be pressed 5-6 times until it worked. What I am doing is somewhat called remote desync relearn, which an original remote with a rolling code + encryption is pressed as if it was desynced to resync the current values the gate and reader has.
Of course management has to be told or known the current remote was defective and advised to ignore all the alerts the reader software gave them. Every time I used the signals it gave out, the gate was relearning the remote rolling code iteration. (really sus)
If the remote doesn't work for some reason I can easily tag my flipper or badge to the gate and it would work normally.
Their website was showing a clipper card, well I have one and even the flipper won't have functions for that card like a 125khz card.
I think the software is lagging way behind. It seems it only has the copy feature for tags, but not even for the subGhz.
Without good software, Flipper Zero would not be what it is. Same for the M1.
I backed and I cancelled because of the lack of info about software.
The remark about the low amount required in the campaign is actually a good remark. That would not haved paid the salary of the software developer.
If my hypothesis is right, there is maybe one year of SW dev to go before having a viable product. 10'000$ is one or two month of development. That does not match.
Either they have another source of funding, or I don't know how they would have managed it.
Wait & see, but today, the product is not ready it seems.
Can you make a video on the Flipper Find My app? And how to make our own AirTag
Hey love the vids, but it's almost like the Motorola logo. Is it me? Maybe they lost the copyright after selling it to China? Just wondering....and sorry, I was commenting to quickly but I do agree, the gate should have opened. We already have the flipper, why with proven technology would you chance on something with misleading promo videos. We'll see how they do. I wish them the best of luck but keep it real.
sorry but devices like flipper or M1 are not for WIFI i can use phone with nethunter and be more flexible. i see it like more for SubGhz, RFID, NFC or BT.
How many commercials aRE IN THIS VIDEO?!?!
Update on The flipper 0 killers m1
how did he clone the gate key without pressing to button to send the signal which would have opened the gate when trying to clone?
he didn't . most the videos about this thing are bs
awesome t-shirt!
so basically its a pimped flipper?
M1 is silly for many reasons and if you track the company back it goes to a place in Africa or something. Very sus.
You need to review Dragon OS Focal.
It's the grown up way to use the devices you cover.
Also... First!! 😊
I'll check it out!
Getting into SDR you'll love it. Cheers.
No device under 10k works with full rolling code support.
that voiceover on the second video
Can you please make a video about the find my flipper feature?
Yo, I know this sounds like a stretch but while you were giving some constructive criticism in regards to the video quality it made me think that you defiantly know the recipe to what would make a good product that highlights the things the flipper Zero and HackrfOne lack and it would be cool in the future if you teamed up with some peeps and made a product and ran a crowd funding campaign and such. If this is ever something you are thinking about doing, I work as a field technician in radio and have a few ideas for feature that would be awesome to see on the next generation of these devices
Do you have merch?
All the same features but actually all of them working would be great xD
Does the flipper zero or this device clone credit cards
Nope
You have to meet the minimum to get the full payout. I'm sure that's why they set it so low.
How do you get that beard so straight? Mine is curly as shit 😂
Do a find my flipper video!
1:54 how can anyone mistake this for OLED? It's obviously a low res LCD screen, and a poorly mounted one at that.
6:04 Okay so yeah, the specs say LCD. The screen is in the same state every point in de video though. I doubt they even have a working prototype. It's seems like a sheet of printed plastic with a light source behind it. This reeks like scammmm.
Hm is this from the same guys who make cyperpro scam? 😂
Sus, yes. Interesting, most definitely.
Agreed!
HACK THE PLAAAANAAAAAAAT
That's my favorite part!
@@TalkingSasquach My OCD causes me to do that and still a good movie. Watchdogs game and Hackers the movie need to make a baby
SUS´n SCAM xD saved it on kickstarter, but when you take a closer look it is...yeah...a bit lets say "questionable"...maybe stay with the OG and MAYBE one day there will be an updated version (from ZERO to HERO) with WIFI and whatever fun stuff!
IR TX/RX 800m range what kind of sorcery is that ? haha
I'm not sure how nobody caught this, but the second video looks like it was ai generated. That is why it's 720p and gittery.
W vid keep up the good work
Thank you!! I appreciate you!
It's literally the same as flipper zero but a different shape
You large hand motions are threatening.
Looks good, but the flipper is the original. Who wanna get a toy, im sure gonna pick up one flipper. Interesting device, but i stick to my fzero. 🍻🍻
Oh yeah. I gave the 420th like!!