Vet Reacts *Honor* No Bullets Fly - Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler - Sabaton History 016 [Official]
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After the war, Stigler confessed what he did to Galland.
Galland said: "What you did was dereliction of duty; and the right thing to do."
Rest in peace, old man.
Such a powerful story. The fact that Franz's grandson was a sabaton fan and suddenly heard a song about his grandfather always makes me smile. 🤘
speaking of pilots, and stories of humanity, a British pilot called Douglas Bader was an RAF pilot who had no legs, he was very effective but got shot down over enemy lines and was captured.
galland (mentioned in this video) let him sit in a 109, bader asked if he could take it for a spin? to which galland laughed and
shaied no.
but bader lost one of his prosthetic legs when he bailed from his cockpit, and galland asked Britain to send over a replacement with approval from Hermann Göring,
they basically gave authority for Britain to fly a plane over and drop a box with the new leg unhindered by German defenses.
all that was in 1942, galland and bader didn't meet again until 1945 when the roles were reversed and galland was a prisoner in Britain, and bader actually had a prosthetic leg made for a fellow German amputee called Hans-Ulrich Rudel, so it kind of came full circle.
also i dont think you are wrong saying what he did was very knightly.
its said that the conduct between pilots in WW1 made them the knights of the sky and the last knights to grace a battlefield.
so you could say that stigler was one of the last remnants of an old way of fighting with true honor.
@@bigenglishmonkey have we ever witnessed an aerial battle that even comes close to WW1/2 "standards" ?
in the new age where long range "beyond vision" missles are a thing, i can see the old guard calling the current guard "cowards" but it's mostly the fault of how technology progressed, you know, just because the playing field got larger doesn't mean you're any less of value, counterpoint is ofcourse, todays jets would never get that close to an enemy to overthink their own position.
@@HellBrYnger not really no.
but its the same with naval warfare, with the invention of aircraft carrier the idea of warships going head to head has died out too.
even ground combat is rarely head to head thanks to advanced tech like you said.
only the tank has seen battles like WW2 and thats starting to die out with drones and missles.
its mainly because the biggest economies of the world who makes them still haven't gone to war since WW2, and the poorer nations that do fight wars don't tend to have the money for a large airforce.
there are only 2 times i can think of as potential candidates.
1)is the 6 day war but israel destroyed all of egypts planes before they had a chance.
2)the falklands war where both argentina and britain had over 100 to 200 planes knocking hell out of eachother over the falklands.
everything else is rich countries with an airforce fighting poor countries with 4 to 50 outdated planes.
@@bigenglishmonkey quite fascinating and unique view, what is your,... i guess "stand" in the current russian/ukraine war?
@@bigenglishmonkey if you have the time :)=
My dad served in the Army Air Corps/Air Force in WWII, flying C-47s and dropping paratroopers in European combat zones. He was shot down above Grave, Holland, during Operation Market Garden. He spent eight days behind enemy lines while the Dutch Underground guided him back to friendly territory. At times they hid in ditches while German troops marched by. He said he could have touched their boots. At one “safe” barn, a little brass band came out to meet the American pilot. The locals thought they had been liberated. After a final race across a field in the middle of a German and American tank battle, he got back to US troops. My dad actually knew Charlie Brown. While Ye Olde Pub’s crew were told not to talk about the incident, other pilots knew. This was an act of honor and chivalry in a modern war. Stigler was such an extraordinarily good man. I was so pleased to find that Brown and Stigler not only met, but became good friends. My father always wanted to personally thank the Dutch people who risked everything to help him, but never found out who they were. He always said I owed my very existence to the Dutch, because without them I never would have been born. NOTE: Stigler was able to fly that B-17 across the German AA gun placements because Germany had captured B-17s that they would use to fly over Allied territory to gain reconnaissance. That’s why the guns on the ground didn’t just shoot Ye Olde Pub out of the sky as it went overhead, BF-109 or no. Seeing an escorted B-17 might have been unusual, but it certainly happened.
This is one of my favorite stories that I learned about thanks to Sabaton.
Same here i love it❤
The ending to this always gets a couple tears from me
Franz was a knight of the old code. A genuine man of honor.
The actual correct way all all reactor channels do Sabaton is to do the history, the song, and then the live video. 🤘😁
You have to read the book, its amazing, it goes into such detail what those two pilots did in the war, and in their lives before and after. I just cant recommend it enough.
Also not mentioned in the video, while flying alongside charlie, franz tried to persuade him to land to the much closer neutral sweden with hand signals
You know actually covering that up was probably the best thing they could have done. Cuz if you think about it you don't want any of your other bombers thinking some random enemy Fighter coming up to him is not going to fire on them
Also, if they didn’t cover it up, the Germans would have certainly heard about it, and it wouldn’t have been as difficult as you would think to track down which pilot it was.
@@sirboomsalot4902 This is a great point. If they hadn't covered it up, spies would've reported the incident, and Stigler would've probably been found out.
A sad fact is most people think every German soldier was a Nazi while in fact most were just like the Allied soldiers, men fighting for their country. Stigler was not unusual for men who were warriors, fighting according to a code that held them to a standard of honor and duty to both their country and their foes. Obviously, the political generals who are in overall command are not warriors and have no honor. Unfortunately, this is even more true today.
Everyone that was a Nazi wasn’t evil people.
@@TheNdh00 The lines become very blurred at times. For example, Finns, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, and other men from Europe, especially eastern Europe, fought in the German military because the enemy was the Soviet Union, not because they loved the German government. Most of them did this because they had experienced Soviet rule and felt communism was worse than fascism.
History is never black and white for sure. Speaking to everyone who loves history, embrace the nuance. There is beauty there.
Majority of German soldiers were forced to fight for something they didn't believe in, Germany suffered under Hitler
And, to piggyback off this comment, not every Japanese soldier was a rapist and a cannibal. Also, I like how we never have to have this discussion about Italian soldiers because they were notoriously chill (except for the crimes committed by your typical fascist state of course).
Great reaction as always. I love watching ppl react to this song/history.
Thanks.
I enjoyed watching them
I absolutely love this story, a tale of respect between enemies.
these sky's in which we fly might be cold but we have honor that warms the heart and keeps us true warriors.
It should be noted, that the reason the crew refused to bail out, is because one of them had an injury that would kill him if they tried. It was a "we're not leaving anyone behind" thing. Franz also said he remembered one of his commanders saying "If I ever hear of you shooting a man in a parachute, I will shoot you myself" (there's more to the line but that's the gist of it). He said when he saw the condition of the plane and the crew, it was just like they were in a parachute, and he couldn't shoot them down.
Also, the Germans had captured B-17s, and they would often escort them with BF-109's. So the AA gunners on the ground thought Franz was just escorting one of their captured bombers.
He missed the great ending with Franz Stigler's daughter and his grandson in the animated Story video. It's way better then this lyric video. At least in my opinion
This channel has no problem reacting to the same thing more than once
So just recommend the animated version
@@Kuypers125 thanx for your Feedback
I would've preferred it if you watched the animated story video by Yarn Hub. But still, this is a great song
And another good reaction, u are doing very interesting and good stuff, ty
They died within a few months of each other.
14:26 Army Command clearly had the orders to not humanise the enemy. They needed the germans to be the evil monsters so no allied Soldier would hesitate to pull the trigger.
10:59 Marseille was a complete badass. Arguably the best fighter pilot of all time, he also notably played jazz in front of Hitler and lived. He also had a habit of personally driving out to the desert to rescue pilots he shot down, and may have encouraged pilots to commit acts of resistance (which included an incident in which several pilots under his command were accused of emptying their guns into sand dunes, one of which was Stigler) after he found out the full extent of the Holocaust while at a dinner with Nazi officials after one of his last awards. I’d recommend checking out Animarchy’s two-part documentary on him.
Great video about a great story. The Yarn Hub animated version makes it so much better
I had two Great Grandpa's who both served in WW2, on my German side of my family, he served in the Afrika Korps as a driver of a Panzer IC, My American G. Grandpa served on the USS Kidd Destroyer, as a Damage Control Specialist. so ya... my family has some history~
Stigler wasn't a Nazi or a killer or a fanatic. He was a warrior protecting his home. These men were retreating, they were out of the fight.The plane was out of the fight. There was no glory in that kill. Such an act of human compassion in a huge inhumanity.
That ibody understands pause hit home. The constant questions and my need to bury my memories. As a vet what this getman did tou hed a nerve, its so easy to pull the trigger its another thing to put life before an order. They kill our humanity and spit us out the other end with not a care about the broken pieces. If you served there are always those who care, stood on that line and will listen. Its not weakness to reach out
Loved your reaction. Be aware that Jovita Stigler, Franz´s daughter might write a comment.
Really? I will keep an eye out then.
@@AmericansLearn Yes, she often did that!
I made two long posts, but to be clear, I enjoy the music of Sabaton and the feelings it invokes. My long feely posts are simple are hopefully a peek at the sacrifice of soldiers; Sabaton brings out the passion to remind us of things worth fighting for, despite the cost. Never again, but more importantly as the Ukrainians fight to remind us, never forget the cost of forgetting. Slava Ukraine.
Sutch a beatyful story, showing the best of humanity, and a good song.
Sooo, about the Mozzies... my dads uncle was an AA gunner in Darwin when the Aussies had made their modifications to the plane, and the first of them where being sent to the front line, now one of the Courier pilots was a real piece of work... had the flight mechanics dancing round his plane in their jocks pointing bones at it ("pointing the bone" is a black fella death curse). anyway this guy shows up 3 sheets to the wind and a slab of beer under arm and decides he wants one of the cats that is hanging around the airfield... after some arguing he is loaded into his Mozzie with his case of beer in the copilot seat and the cat he fancied... seconds after take off the Mozzie flipped inverted and disappeared... turns out that as soon as he powered up, the cat freaked out, clawed onto his face, the plane flipped upside down and the beer bottles broke and filled the cockpit with blood and beer foam.
Check out the book. A Higer Call.
The author now has the movie right and is looking for the right studio to do the movie of a higher call .
hi from germany my dad said the only good thing in war is you can travel
Should have played animated video. It put's into perspective. Will watch again.🤘. 😉
I have the Grilla Primate. I live in Northern Florida & I would stay clear of this grill.
It’s rusting everywhere!
The cooking cavity started rusting out after about 14 months. I bought the Grilla cover with the grill when I purchased it. When stored it always had the cover on. For half of its life it was stored in a garage & half of the other half on a covered patio. The whole thing is rusting now. Why bother making a grill if it’s made with low quality stainless steel!
Have you seen the animation version of no bullets fly?
There is no honor here. Honor is gained when you follow your duties in difficult situations. Franz is nothing less than the greatest heroes. He sacrificed his honor to show the world how to be a superior Hero for all of humanity. When the universe came knocking, Franz looked into the eyes of a dying tail gunner and declared that no honor was worth spilling another drop of blood of even his greatest enemy on that day. The man has hundreds of awards for being genuinely honorable, and yet he has but one ribbon he can wear today. I would argue for that one ribbon is worth all of the honor bestowed on the flying fortress air wings of WWII. There is no honor in killing, only in saving lives, and Franz was given the greatest chance any soldier can ever get: save a life without spilling blood. For all of civilians out there, think on this the next veteran you meet before you are amazed by the honors they are forced to bear. If there is anything you could do to honor a veteran in your life, only remember the blood they did not spill and the lives they saved. Only then will you understand miracle these two enemies shared through the lives that were not ended that day, and why veterans of any war get choked up over this story :) Honor is good, but honor that saves lives is what makes our greatest soldiers, our Heroes to a nation.
One major error in their telling of the story. In chapter 15, a higher call, they were falling out of the sky and diving towards a village in Germany “nearly scraping the rooftops as we pulled up”. But other than that it is spot on. But that is a huge error though. They did fly over a forest right after crashing into the streets. And then over the ocean over the North Atlantic wall. Trust me I read that book about 5 times and it never gets old. It talks about Franz dealings as a teacher of flight to a pilot to a air force pilot. It talks about how he loved his brother and when he gets killed he hated enemy and vowed to destroy any enemy and even became one of the best in the German Air Force. Also he was one of the “the last heroes” of Germany when in April they took off in their jet fighters for the first time in history. Such a great book. He started off in Africa and ended up in Italy and then over France.
Franz was also the one who taught his brother to fly, so upon hearing of his death, he blamed himself.
have to make a second comment we never learn from history and never was so many humans on earth as phil collins says so many people so many problems we are probly a doomed species alone the cold war as I know it we just survived very close nuke distruction a few times but heyyyyy how much luck can we have??????
Ye Olde Pub is still Flying
Sadly, it's not. It was scrapped. The one you're thinking of is a surviving B-17 that was sold as surplus to a private collector in 2013. It was a different, slightly newer model than the Pub. But the owner had it modified to look like the Pub's model, and painted as the Pub, as a commemoration in 2019. It's not the same plane.
Civilians may not get it, but morale is everything in a war. Not sharing Charlie's story during the war saved lives, and foremost it saved Franz's life. To look someone in the eye and kill them is not a thing easily done unless you are no longer human. Soldiers survive wars by killing vermin, not humans. Franz's tale, if retold in 1943, would be a tale to hundreds of thousands of American soldiers that they are not fighting vermin. It tells the British they are killing people who are morally equal or even superior to them. It is a tale that asks maybe the Axis powers should win. Better to bury this tale, during the war, in the deepest hold you can find. War cannot tolerate Heroes like Franz, only horrors like Auschwitz. Like Charlie says about the Soviet fighter he had to kill: in war, you must throw everything good about your enemies in the back of your head and lock it away forever if you can. Just like the Franz story on the Germany side. Soldiers cannot kill good people without going mad. If you can, there is no sane army in the world that will have. As German American with vets on both sides, I am endlessly grateful for the lives these men saved, and the bloodless service they have let Germans and Americans serve while never needing to lock away the stories they still hide from us all to this day. There can never be words gentlemen o7.
3:17 as in an American ignorant of his own history...as was to be expected...
I'm sorry to say this. There is multiple version of this video.. and this is not the best one
People aren’t nice to each others anymore! 😢