I've asked some people who talk about this: What amount of good negates evil? Yes, Haber is the father of chemical warfare. Yes, he created many horrifying things even ones not mentioned in this episode. Yes, his creations hurt over a million people in ww1 alone and then a few million more in ww2 in the holocaust and more. BUT! Now easily over a billion people are alive due to the Haber-Bosh process, it's unknown how many exactly but some estimate over half of today's population get fed due to Haber and Bosh. Where is the end? Is a few billion people saved going to ignore a few million killed? We don't even know where it will end, who knows how many people will be alive only because this process in the future?
Not mentioned in the episod, around 1922-23, Haber and his team worked on a pestcide they called Zyklon A. After his death nazi scientist further developed the agricultural pesticide into Zyklon-B, used in the gas chambers. Haber had several familymembers who died in concentrstion camps. He certainly couldn't have forseened that development of his inventions. Not an easy ethical problem to answer. But Sabaton has made a very great song.
Great reaction as usual, yeah, Fritz Haber was on both sides of the good/bad fence, his inventions hve led to medical progress, food production, industrial products... but also extreme suffering and death, it is idifficult to place him on either side of the fence
I’m of the mindset that Fritz Haber wasn’t quite a saint, but he had interesting morals. He knew his inventions would cause suffering and death on the battlefield, but it was made with the intention to shorten the war and not cause millions to die (a lot of military minded people would consider this mentality normal to effectively end a conflict as shortly as possible). He wanted to make life better for people, but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. What really redeems him, in my eyes, is that he stood up to the Nazi regime and told them to screw themselves, he wasn’t going to play ball with them in any way due to how they treated not only him, but his fellow scientists who also happened to be Jews. He seems like he “doesn’t show remorse”, which I kinda chock up to the Prussian mentality at the time. A lot of nations were very steadfast, “stiff upper lip” types of cultures, and Prussia was definitely one of them. He most likely didn’t show his emotions or remorse due to the culture at the time, unlike later scientists like Oppenheimer who could actively show his regrets without too much fear of condemnation for “weakness” by society.
I've asked some people who talk about this:
What amount of good negates evil?
Yes, Haber is the father of chemical warfare. Yes, he created many horrifying things even ones not mentioned in this episode. Yes, his creations hurt over a million people in ww1 alone and then a few million more in ww2 in the holocaust and more. BUT! Now easily over a billion people are alive due to the Haber-Bosh process, it's unknown how many exactly but some estimate over half of today's population get fed due to Haber and Bosh.
Where is the end? Is a few billion people saved going to ignore a few million killed? We don't even know where it will end, who knows how many people will be alive only because this process in the future?
Not mentioned in the episod, around 1922-23, Haber and his team worked on a pestcide they called Zyklon A.
After his death nazi scientist further developed the agricultural pesticide into Zyklon-B, used in the gas chambers.
Haber had several familymembers who died in concentrstion camps. He certainly couldn't have forseened that development of his inventions.
Not an easy ethical problem to answer. But Sabaton has made a very great song.
Most of the times you forget the meaning of the song by listening to a damn good song.
Good that you pointed out to listen what they sing 😢😢
Great reaction as usual, yeah, Fritz Haber was on both sides of the good/bad fence, his inventions hve led to medical progress, food production, industrial products... but also extreme suffering and death, it is idifficult to place him on either side of the fence
by he fed billions to how many he killed, and actually he didn't kill them. it was war and scientists don't do those decisions.
I’m of the mindset that Fritz Haber wasn’t quite a saint, but he had interesting morals. He knew his inventions would cause suffering and death on the battlefield, but it was made with the intention to shorten the war and not cause millions to die (a lot of military minded people would consider this mentality normal to effectively end a conflict as shortly as possible). He wanted to make life better for people, but was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What really redeems him, in my eyes, is that he stood up to the Nazi regime and told them to screw themselves, he wasn’t going to play ball with them in any way due to how they treated not only him, but his fellow scientists who also happened to be Jews.
He seems like he “doesn’t show remorse”, which I kinda chock up to the Prussian mentality at the time. A lot of nations were very steadfast, “stiff upper lip” types of cultures, and Prussia was definitely one of them. He most likely didn’t show his emotions or remorse due to the culture at the time, unlike later scientists like Oppenheimer who could actively show his regrets without too much fear of condemnation for “weakness” by society.
❤So good
You should chk out part 2 *sciences of war*
Its really interesting
atomic bomb...somebody has to say it. Fear effect.
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