@@crispix indeed - and that pick you have is like a micro branding iron. It would be interesting to think of how to be able to replace the key part. anyway - fantastic
Wow. Figuring out you could leave the disc controller slightly unset so as to keep the bars from binding the core then constructing your tensioner so it left the controller lag was genius. Clearly you've got educated fingers skilled at picking up feedback as well. Wow, wow and um.... Wow!
It's still a good keying mechanism. Disc detainer vs. pins, types, and side pins, and gates, is a lengthy discussion. One defeat of disc system is Kwi---t: an uncut key with good torque applied will tear right through the discs; the same would be true, probably, of any key material stronger than the discs.
Yes, in the real world a destructive attack is way more likely. I think maybe 10 or so people have picked Protec now, but picking is not really a practical real world approach to opening one of these. Too hard, too slow
This video is underrated. How to pick a lock? Interaction-by-interaction. It's a matter of applying aspects of the scientific method: observation, research, experimentation, repeat. And, sorry, it's not fast but, rather, methodical.
Thanks Chris! I can't take credit for the tool designs, they are from huxleypig and idanhurja, those guys are amazing tool designers and pickers and the work they shared really helped me here. Still quite a tricky pick though!
Watching this yes again and yeaaah, I want be picking my protec very soon😂 Great video overall, very high quality and loads of information! Cheers Crispix!🍻
Thanks! Obviously these have a bit of a reputation but they are totally pickable. Hopefully this will give a few more people the confidence to have a go
Thanks! The tool could have gone better, thought I was going to have to start again but managed to rescue it and just about works. Still not an easy pick; it's easy enough to feel whether a gate is wide or narrow but the wide ones don't bind much at all. Add in the fact I only got two way rotation over half the range and many attempts follow
Thanks! Tool design is a mixture of huxleypig and idanhurja designs, full credit to those guys for solving the problems. The tensioner was a bit tough as a home build with my limited tools and skills, but just about good enough to work
Thanks! I'm avoiding the inevitable next step by trying to learn to pick PTs, a skill I'm appallingly bad at. Very much appreciating your picks though, they are very good; wish you had some 0.015" in stock.
@@crispix PTs meaning Protec2? I think once you push the active element in the DC you should be away. If you can pick a Protec 1 you clearly have the skills to pull it off. As far as I know the padlocks open in one direction only and have the dolphin discs as you pointed out here. The cylinders can be turned CW CCW and have the balls that come into play on the key. Sorry the 0.4mm are temporarily out of stock I will get a batch finished ASAP 👍 great job making the picking tips for Ian's DD pick 👍
@@andy123law PT as in pin tumbler. I got really into discs about a year ago and neglected pins mostly, so my skills are somewhat, erm, intermediate! P2 harder to tension than original; there is an established method which I think Hux developed but it needs very good tools which I'd probably have to buy. Got an alternative plan which is less elegant and more fiddly but easier for someone like me to make without machine tools. We'll have to see if I can make it work!
Good explanation & analyses, Good showing of all the parts, Nice new techniques. Honest conclusion about the feasibility of this attack in the field. You know where you are busy with. Han Fey
Thanks! Your work has been an invaluable source of information for me and my journey with Abloy, and many others too. I don't think any of the techniques I used here are new, they were developed by Huxleypig and idanhurja, but I think I have been much more open with the detail than either of them. Hopefully more people will try to pick these amazing locks.
Good work, again! With near-nano-size manufacturing, sensors, and such, we must be 'close' to an auto-mechanical 'key,' much like the safe-dialer robots. You could walk down a hallway of Protec(2) doors, unlocking and opening one after another!
your videos are amazing, it would be so cool if you try to tackle a double bowley lock with your skill it should be a Breese , i love how you show your tools and mindset, have a nice day
Ah, thanks man! I would love a go at one of those Bowley's. Sadly they are quite expensive and I think the tools to get one open would need access to a laser cutting machine. Maybe one day!
@@crispix I have one on the way from the USA, probably above my current skill level, I just got through a kryptonite evolution and a random Oxford with the silver bullet pick. I think it's just too cool though I'm determined.
@@spelunkernz6390 hey that's a solid base for sure, you got good tools and navigation skills. Just get used to false gates and these harder locks are in reach!
@@crispix Thanks. Did you use fine files & sandpaper under magnification to form your pick tips? Think I'll try shaping up one of my spare sparrows disc pick tips. Not sure :/ Maybe you ought to look at the disc lock that Bowley makes... Should be much more challenging.
@@spelunkernz6390 needle files and Dremel. No magnifier but I wish I had one! Might invest. Tip started life as an ejector pin, 1.5mm shaft. If you're getting in to DD pick making worth getting some of these and some with 1mm shaft from AliExpress. Takes a while to come but lasts ages too. Might get one of those Bowley's done time but they do look really, really hard
Great explanation of the technique you use! If you modified the first profile disk to be free spinning (which I think would still allow the lock to be operated with the original key), how could you tension the lock then? With protec2 you can use the interactive element bearing balls to catch the core but this doesn't have such parts.
It would be harder for sure. I would have to experiment, but I think it might be possible to tension off the dolphins in the same way tare uses the BBs on p2. Obviously I've not tried though!
Thanks! It's less amazing than you think. These locks are very intimidating but once you break down the problem it does become manageable. Still tricky though!
Thanks! The handles are from RWB custom picks. This version is out of stock, but there is an updated version coming very soon, check out my recent demo video here: ruclips.net/video/rP4rIQlFICI/видео.html You can contact the seller on rwbcnc@gmail.com But, for Protec you would have to make your own tips still, which isn't easy unless you have good tools and the skill to use them.
@@crispix pratico da piccolo sporadicamente, per molti anni ho praticato esclusivamente cilindri a pompa e doppie mappe, l'unico cilindro a disco che sono bravo e il dom diamant, molto facile per me.. Abloy protect sono molto più impegnativi , vorrei acquistare un tools per aprire più facilmente questo cilindro, ovviamente da parte mia metterò la pratica, aspetto tue notizia.. gran bel lavoro fratello💯💯💯
Thanks! This is a tough lock for me and I was really pleased to open it. The pick is from RWB custom picks, you can find them on Instagram or email rwbcnc@gmail.com. The stock pick comes with tips for front tension, a bit like a better version of the Sparrows disc picks, but of course if you want to open a Protec you'll need to make new tips as I have here
I'll ask a possibly stupid question, but what is the possibility that this type of lock will be opened by an ordinary thief in the door? Or will it be very difficult for a thief?
Not a stupid question. The chance of a lock like this being picked in use is basically zero. It is really hard to pick, and requires highly specialised tools and skills. Picking is generally unreliable, and the pick I filmed here took several hours of practice on this one lock. Unless you are trying to keep out a government agency with a reason to want covert entry, by far and away the most likely attack is destructive.
@@Yarakis Not something I have tried so can't really comment. But, if someone is willing to break, drill or cut the lock and/or whatever it is attached to, and they come prepared with suitable tools, they will be in to any lock fairly fast
@@goodygiggles5410 if you want to know how to pick Protec then turn up your volume and listen. You will need extremely high levels of concentration to pick this lock, listening to me being softly spoken is comparatively easy. If you want entertainment there's lots of channels for that. I make reference material to help people along. If you don't like it or it's not useful, don't watch.
@@crispix I already know how to pick the protec line. It's not a secret as many have already done it. What many do not do, is whisper into the mic outside of an OF's model ASMR video lol.
Nice tool, however, you know the cuts of the working key. I doubt you could do this to a core you didn't know the cuts and weren't able to have sitting nicely on your work station.
Yes, you are quite right and I explicitly say exactly this in the video. A blind pick is definitely possible (I do get actionable feedback picking like this), but undoubtedly harder, and the awkwardness that would come with picking in situ would add further difficulty. Overall I would say that picking like this is definitely possible but not very practical, these are very hard indeed to pick.
Anyone who thinks watching this is going to get them into one of these locks is wasting their time. This is incredibly difficult to pick, and my demo here is the end result of hours of practice on this lock, backed up by hundreds of hours of practice on other locks. No thief is going to bother with this, they'll use an angle grinder, which is very reliable, quick and requires zero skill
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this is such a contribution - from the thinking to the presentation breaking down each step
thank you
Thanks! The thinking had already been done by others, but maybe not so clearly and explicitly explained
@@crispix indeed - and that pick you have is like a micro branding iron.
It would be interesting to think of how to be able to replace the key part. anyway - fantastic
Wow. Figuring out you could leave the disc controller slightly unset so as to keep the bars from binding the core then constructing your tensioner so it left the controller lag was genius.
Clearly you've got educated fingers skilled at picking up feedback as well.
Wow, wow and um.... Wow!
Thanks! It is a complicated lock for sure and I was very happy to be able to get it open
It's still a good keying mechanism. Disc detainer vs. pins, types, and side pins, and gates, is a lengthy discussion. One defeat of disc system is Kwi---t: an uncut key with good torque applied will tear right through the discs; the same would be true, probably, of any key material stronger than the discs.
Yes, in the real world a destructive attack is way more likely. I think maybe 10 or so people have picked Protec now, but picking is not really a practical real world approach to opening one of these. Too hard, too slow
VERY comprehensive and informative video Crispix thankyou very much!
Thanks! Possibly even too comprehensive I think, but hopefully it'll help a few people with high boredom thresholds
@@crispix Nah mate it was just perfect i run everything on 1.25 anyhow 😁😁😊😊
This video is underrated. How to pick a lock? Interaction-by-interaction. It's a matter of applying aspects of the scientific method: observation, research, experimentation, repeat. And, sorry, it's not fast but, rather, methodical.
Yes, absolutely. Breaking down an impossible looking problem into a series of more easily solved ones is the key to success here
Wow!!! Totally amazing pick!!!
Incredible work on the tools and the picking🥳 🐈🐾🐈⬛🐾
Thanks Chris! I can't take credit for the tool designs, they are from huxleypig and idanhurja, those guys are amazing tool designers and pickers and the work they shared really helped me here. Still quite a tricky pick though!
@@crispix I agree!!!!👍👍👏👏🐾🐈⬛🐾🐈🍻
Watching this yes again and yeaaah, I want be picking my protec very soon😂 Great video overall, very high quality and loads of information! Cheers Crispix!🍻
Thanks! That's what I was aiming for so great to hear. You got this for sure
Quality video and brilliant picking well done that is one hell of a lock to defeat! 🙂👍
Thanks! Obviously these have a bit of a reputation but they are totally pickable. Hopefully this will give a few more people the confidence to have a go
Amazing 🤩 Big congratulations to you my friend - really excellent job, with pick and video 💪💪💪
Thanks! The tool could have gone better, thought I was going to have to start again but managed to rescue it and just about works. Still not an easy pick; it's easy enough to feel whether a gate is wide or narrow but the wide ones don't bind much at all. Add in the fact I only got two way rotation over half the range and many attempts follow
Awesome picking and that tool is brilliant 👍🏻
Thanks! Tool design is a mixture of huxleypig and idanhurja designs, full credit to those guys for solving the problems. The tensioner was a bit tough as a home build with my limited tools and skills, but just about good enough to work
Beautiful core. Love the precision, care in manufacturing.
Yes, it's a great design. Very well made and effective
Next level picking that!!! Very well done 👍
Thanks! I'm avoiding the inevitable next step by trying to learn to pick PTs, a skill I'm appallingly bad at. Very much appreciating your picks though, they are very good; wish you had some 0.015" in stock.
@@crispix PTs meaning Protec2? I think once you push the active element in the DC you should be away. If you can pick a Protec 1 you clearly have the skills to pull it off. As far as I know the padlocks open in one direction only and have the dolphin discs as you pointed out here. The cylinders can be turned CW CCW and have the balls that come into play on the key. Sorry the 0.4mm are temporarily out of stock I will get a batch finished ASAP 👍 great job making the picking tips for Ian's DD pick 👍
@@andy123law PT as in pin tumbler. I got really into discs about a year ago and neglected pins mostly, so my skills are somewhat, erm, intermediate!
P2 harder to tension than original; there is an established method which I think Hux developed but it needs very good tools which I'd probably have to buy. Got an alternative plan which is less elegant and more fiddly but easier for someone like me to make without machine tools. We'll have to see if I can make it work!
Good explanation & analyses, Good showing of all the parts, Nice new techniques. Honest conclusion about the feasibility of this attack in the field. You know where you are busy with. Han Fey
Thanks! Your work has been an invaluable source of information for me and my journey with Abloy, and many others too.
I don't think any of the techniques I used here are new, they were developed by Huxleypig and idanhurja, but I think I have been much more open with the detail than either of them. Hopefully more people will try to pick these amazing locks.
Good work, again! With near-nano-size manufacturing, sensors, and such, we must be 'close' to an auto-mechanical 'key,' much like the safe-dialer robots. You could walk down a hallway of Protec(2) doors, unlocking and opening one after another!
Maybe if you had lots of money and resources this would be possible. Well beyond what I can do in my cupboard though!
Thanks for sharing this, great video!
Thanks! And thank you for sharing your tool design, helped me a lot
your videos are amazing, it would be so cool if you try to tackle a double bowley lock with your skill it should be a Breese , i love how you show your tools and mindset, have a nice day
Ah, thanks man! I would love a go at one of those Bowley's. Sadly they are quite expensive and I think the tools to get one open would need access to a laser cutting machine. Maybe one day!
Fantastica apertura
💯💯💯💯💯💯
Top video, very helpful to me!
Thanks! Are you working on one of these too? Fingers crossed for you for sure
@@crispix I have one on the way from the USA, probably above my current skill level, I just got through a kryptonite evolution and a random Oxford with the silver bullet pick. I think it's just too cool though I'm determined.
@@spelunkernz6390 hey that's a solid base for sure, you got good tools and navigation skills. Just get used to false gates and these harder locks are in reach!
@@crispix Thanks. Did you use fine files & sandpaper under magnification to form your pick tips? Think I'll try shaping up one of my spare sparrows disc pick tips. Not sure :/ Maybe you ought to look at the disc lock that Bowley makes... Should be much more challenging.
@@spelunkernz6390 needle files and Dremel. No magnifier but I wish I had one! Might invest. Tip started life as an ejector pin, 1.5mm shaft. If you're getting in to DD pick making worth getting some of these and some with 1mm shaft from AliExpress. Takes a while to come but lasts ages too.
Might get one of those Bowley's done time but they do look really, really hard
14:35 Since Manfrotto Magic Arm does exist, I think it's safe to assume that you can keep the lock in stable orientation on the field, too.
Great explanation of the technique you use! If you modified the first profile disk to be free spinning (which I think would still allow the lock to be operated with the original key), how could you tension the lock then? With protec2 you can use the interactive element bearing balls to catch the core but this doesn't have such parts.
It would be harder for sure. I would have to experiment, but I think it might be possible to tension off the dolphins in the same way tare uses the BBs on p2. Obviously I've not tried though!
@@crispix Oh, pretty clever! How didn't I think about that? I think that would totally work.
This is amazing
Thanks! It's less amazing than you think. These locks are very intimidating but once you break down the problem it does become manageable. Still tricky though!
@@crispix that still leaves a lot of amazing! I love these DDs.
I'm curious if Bowley will have a twin "forked" Rotesara (spelling?).
U r an artist 👌👏
What I am interested is witch locks you are not able to Pick,so I can get it
Loads I can't pick, but almost none that someone out there isn't going to get in!
Fantastico amico🎉
Mi piacerebbe averne uno di questo strumento
Dove posso acquistare?
Non ho tempo di costruire e sperimentare
Thanks! The handles are from RWB custom picks. This version is out of stock, but there is an updated version coming very soon, check out my recent demo video here:
ruclips.net/video/rP4rIQlFICI/видео.html
You can contact the seller on rwbcnc@gmail.com
But, for Protec you would have to make your own tips still, which isn't easy unless you have good tools and the skill to use them.
@@crispix pratico da piccolo sporadicamente, per molti anni ho praticato esclusivamente cilindri a pompa e doppie mappe, l'unico cilindro a disco che sono bravo e il dom diamant, molto facile per me..
Abloy protect sono molto più impegnativi , vorrei acquistare un tools per aprire più facilmente questo cilindro, ovviamente da parte mia metterò la pratica, aspetto tue notizia.. gran bel lavoro fratello💯💯💯
Good job … where I can buy this tool ?
Thanks! This is a tough lock for me and I was really pleased to open it.
The pick is from RWB custom picks, you can find them on Instagram or email rwbcnc@gmail.com. The stock pick comes with tips for front tension, a bit like a better version of the Sparrows disc picks, but of course if you want to open a Protec you'll need to make new tips as I have here
I'll ask a possibly stupid question, but what is the possibility that this type of lock will be opened by an ordinary thief in the door? Or will it be very difficult for a thief?
Not a stupid question.
The chance of a lock like this being picked in use is basically zero. It is really hard to pick, and requires highly specialised tools and skills. Picking is generally unreliable, and the pick I filmed here took several hours of practice on this one lock.
Unless you are trying to keep out a government agency with a reason to want covert entry, by far and away the most likely attack is destructive.
@@crispixhello, easy to destroy and Open the door?
@@Yarakis depends on the door and tools available, but in general I would expect a destructive attack to be easier than picking
@@crispix at all Not easier to destroy than other brands? Evva, keso etc?
@@Yarakis Not something I have tried so can't really comment. But, if someone is willing to break, drill or cut the lock and/or whatever it is attached to, and they come prepared with suitable tools, they will be in to any lock fairly fast
My method is DeWalt with 065 disk
CAD, 3-D modeling, and laser-cutting have, and will continue to, engineer better and better precision-mechanisms, with more and more moving parts.
How to pick an Abloy protec
1: Get an abloy protec key
Effective, but clearly cheating!
its difficult to hear you it appears your "whispering?" cant really hear you.
Why are you whispering?
Why are you watching?
@@crispix To hear the commentary on a lock, not pillow talk.
@@goodygiggles5410 if you want to know how to pick Protec then turn up your volume and listen. You will need extremely high levels of concentration to pick this lock, listening to me being softly spoken is comparatively easy. If you want entertainment there's lots of channels for that. I make reference material to help people along. If you don't like it or it's not useful, don't watch.
@@crispix I already know how to pick the protec line. It's not a secret as many have already done it. What many do not do, is whisper into the mic outside of an OF's model ASMR video lol.
@@goodygiggles5410 sounds like my videos aren't for you then
Nice tool, however, you know the cuts of the working key. I doubt you could do this to a core you didn't know the cuts and weren't able to have sitting nicely on your work station.
Yes, you are quite right and I explicitly say exactly this in the video. A blind pick is definitely possible (I do get actionable feedback picking like this), but undoubtedly harder, and the awkwardness that would come with picking in situ would add further difficulty. Overall I would say that picking like this is definitely possible but not very practical, these are very hard indeed to pick.
Why would you train thieves how to steal people's hard earned belongings. I'm not impressed !
Anyone who thinks watching this is going to get them into one of these locks is wasting their time. This is incredibly difficult to pick, and my demo here is the end result of hours of practice on this lock, backed up by hundreds of hours of practice on other locks. No thief is going to bother with this, they'll use an angle grinder, which is very reliable, quick and requires zero skill
the way he fibgers the l8ckpick with the lock....my god i came