Me either, but he inspired me to try it and it's kind of a neat little hobby. I've been practicing the last few days and he makes it look so easy. But the first time I opened a padlock was a thrilling feeling lol
I like how you can hear the excitement in his voice when he tells the story of finding it and when he cracks it open. If he had a tail it would be wagging really fast right now.
3 minutes for LPL to pick while the lock was on a vise = Eternity for human beings when lock is installed on doors. This lock is one of the few locks who managed to enter the Pantheon of "LPL180+" grade locks.
Tbh though alot of illegal pickers would come along, pick the middle row and be confused as to why it hasn't opened yet due to the extra two rows he didn't know about
@@christophermoore6110 They make tools that are for those side pins. Use those. It's probably not hard to figure out if you put some brain power to it. It's just a tad different.
Time to pick does not necessarily translate to difficulty to pick this would be one of those cases, the lock took so long because there's 13 damn pins in there that does not mean those pins are particularly good that just means there's a lot of them.
@@the_undead which equates to security, because the longer you're standing there picking the lock, the bigger chance someone finds you, no?.. so yeah, shut your mouth.
Impressive picking. Is there anything you cannot pick ? The key alone would stop 99% of people from even attempting it, -- into the naughty bucket it goes. You made this look as easy as a standard 5 pin lock, truly you did. Thanks for the entertainment. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.
That was crazy! I thought for sure it might stump you. Waiting on my new picks and practice locks to get here. My sister bought me a book on lock picking in 1968 which shows how long I have been curious. Now I am 63 and decided to make it into a fun hobby. Back in '68, you just couldn't get what you needed like you can today. Thanks.
After a few LPL videos, I'm thinking, instead of racing to make the 'unpickable lock', wouldn't it be more practically effective to make a 'dummy lock'? I mean, imagine installing a lock like the one in this video, but it's a dummy lock. The real key is a magnetic card or bluetooth passkey. Someone spends like 45 minutes picking this lock, unlocks the cylinder, but nothing happens. To fool a stalker further, the digital key can be in the form of a dummy key. Shaped like a key that you insert into the cylinder, but actually what unlocks it is the digital data inside the dummy key. A stalker thief will see you unlock it with a regular key, but pulls his/her hair out trying to pick it....
That's gonna be an interesting application, as long as it's durable enough and able to work securely, even without direct electricity from the house, cuz some places such as my country have power outages, so it would suck to be locked out, or have a lock's security failing in an event like that, but still an interesting concept to work from nonetheless.
Dudes if only locking companies spent 10 minutes reading the coments in LPL vids, they would make some sick security pices... I'm amazed by this comments Ingenuity.
Personally, I would do a varying strengths of magnets for a key's shape to either push, pull or push a pin further in design to allow turning in a core material like ones used with harddrives to protect the disk from the internal powerful magnetic. It would be horrible to figure out picking.
Smeado I was thinking the same thing. Some security pins would make it difficult, but I think they'd have to be custom made. The holes are quite narrow.
Let's make it even more interesting... Add the same sort of 3-row pins at the 90, 180, and 270 degree points and they are all different from each other (i.e. the key can only go in one way). That would make it into a 52 pin lock... :)
you know what I was thinking that would be super interesting to add to your videos in general, is a score on pickability, and and score on overall security. for example on every lock you pick you could say I would give a score of 88 out of 100 for picking security and 75% on overall security, this way if people are shopping for a lock either for lock picking sport, or either just to secure their motorcycle, they could see what you think of their specific lock. I think it woudl increase your views too! let me know what you think!
I was thinking the same thing...A score card would be awesome. Age doesn't matter we score cybersecurity using qualitative formulas...it's actually rather easy and cybersecurity is much more dynamically moving then physical security.
Soon as I realized the lock only needed 1 re-pick and the pins from the left dropped into the holes on the right I knew the pin stacks were staggered. Then u took it apart and YES. Look how much you’ve taught me! 🙏🏻 Never taken apart a lock in my life lol
What I want to know is who fears an lpl video more, the guy designing master locks with weak cores or the guy designing the combination lock that can be decoded in seconds
I really like that they machined the core instead of casting it, they even took the time to resurface the floating areas of the core (the parts that don't really rub up against any other parts. I mean it could use a little spit and polish but they probably never thought that someone would want to open it up. I kind of want one of these for my collection. Scratch that, there aren't any on the English-speaking web and my Chinese isn't good enough to mess around the Chinese-speaking boards. I'm sure I'll be able to find a similar one at some point if I keep an eye out for one.
Ill be honest....i was a criminal in Baltimore for 20+ years. I never had interest in picking, or engineering of locks. Spent my time in jail & prison and changed my life. Just happened upon these videos by coincidence and im completely intrigued in how to pick and how these puzzles work. Its amazing. No criminal intentions these days but id love to learn these skills just to say i can do it...lol oh your locked out? Lemme get my lock pick set off my motorcycle n get you in...lol
Could be that you're watching a lot of learning or DIY videos. That or RUclips just throws curve balls from time to time. That's how I usually find weird stuff.
The problem with most lock companies is that they are in business NOT for actual security but to SELL their locks! So if they can make a lock with 13 flipping pins, which most people would think of unpickable and high security, or advertise as such just to give ppl a false sense of security to sell cheap locks for a very high price....well that's what they do. Its all about the ILLUSION of security and safety. Big huge padlocks, fansy laser cut key, branding as unpickable, etc. All designed to fool the consumer into buying their product for high security. Its sad but by god it works and they damn well know it! Great vid btw! I one day hope to have your picking skills and start a career of my own! (And if not, have a skill set guaranteed to have a use! Lol)
I've been watching for just a few weeks and it's highly entertaining. I haven't seen one yet of you putting them locks back together. :) If I didn't already have too many hobbies...
I like you videos on all of the locks you pick and even the ones that don’t require much picking. Have you ever thought about designing a unique lock that would be a real challenge even to yourself? If you do I would probably buy a few.
I guess that little ball bearing gives a nice satisfying click when the user returns the key to the original position. The extra-wide keyway may be convenient for more competent pickers, it may actually serve as a challenge for novices, who often only have to think about in-out and up-down manipulations of the pick, without thinking about rolling or yawing, as the keyway usually keeps you right in line.
Since it took you relatively long to pick it, I'd say it's good enough. Much better with some upgrades, like security pins and a cover so no one can see the key.
I love that you don't have the click baits. So many others would have fat letters on the thumbnail saying 13 pins!!!! But you have it in brackets in the title.
@@joshz6975 Its clickbait if you put it in fat letters in the middle of the thumbnail trying to attract people. Stating it like a fact is how he stated it, in the brackets in the title.
I find it amazing that a lock of that quality came from China. When I say quality I'm not referring to pick resistance, but rather the machining. Looks to have good tolerances, all stainless/brass, and is far more secure than your average lock made in the USA.
Mad skills as always. thank you for the time efficient knowledge my friend. You and BosBill are my favorites in regards to locksport. Keep your mind on the money and your money in your shoe. Thank you again.
Maybe you have done it before, but as someone who knows nothing about picking and bloody little about locks I would love to see a video explaining all the different pins function and styles.
Amazing job of picking, as usual. What is in the side chambers that keeps the flat sides of those pins aimed toward the center of the keyway, and not spinning around? In the top down view of the plug (core) starting at 12:17 it looks like there's something that would prevent the pins from turning, but it's hard to see what. At around 12:34 there seems to be something inside the side holes, but I can't figure out how they would be able to put something in those tiny holes that could reliably stop the pins from spinning around. Thinking that it's hard to drill D-shaped holes and that it should be something easy to make on an assembly line, I thought perhaps the manufacturer drilled the side holes first, then drilled a hole down the center and put a round rod in from the back through the length of the plug to partially block the side holes, and then drilled the holes for the central row of pins. What do you think?
What prevents the sidepins from turning? The flat side should always face to the center to let the key passing through. But, as the holes are round, the pins could turn.
I've got to say I really enjoyed seeing you have to work harder than usual to pick this lock...and also working harder than usual to gut the lock. I've got massive respect to the Chinese designer who came up with that and for the factory workers who assemble the locks. it is a shame the lock company did well with the design, but got a bit lazy with the pins. I bet that locksport people could repin one of those locks and make it put up a much bigger fight. Is there any chance you could stick three rakes together to see if this lock is vulnerable to that sort of attack or to some sort of three-way bump key exploit? One other thing. I'm left wondering how they can cut keys for this sort of lock, at a locksmith. Is there any chance you or your friend can locate a video of a Chinese locksmith showing us a blank and cutting a key from it?
It could be interesting to see the bumping of this lock. I suppose that may be easier than picking the pins one by one, considering equal springs and a lack of anti-bump features.
PLEASE Mr LPL, what affordable residencial pick resistant dead bolt do you think I should "take a look at" for my family home?👍 Thumbs up and subscribed!
Another great video but I sure wouldn't want to be the one to put it all back together lol. This lock does have some great potential in becoming a very nice challenge lock.
It almost sounded like the lock was gunna win. Been watching a while just started searching the archives. I think this is the first time I’ve heard you sound even remotely confused.
Basic key lock of the future maybe? It didn't exactly make it impossible to pick, but you sure wouldn't want to have to pick in any kind of a hurry, and if you didn't know what you were doing it would be practically impossible to pick. Also having the side rows means having to pick it twice in mid turn! Definitely a challenge to the uninitiated.
Sooooo… I wonder where one can get these locks and what applications they can be used for Definitely the longest I’ve seen him take. Though this was 6 years ago, so I wonder if he’d be able to get in noticeably quicker with about half-decade of experience under his belt
So when the core was turned one side's pins dropped into the other's holes, yet the cuts on the key aren't the same. How did the manufacturer keep that from happening with normal use when the bidding on the sides are different?
6:07 "Now let's get a follower, and hopefully this doesn't give us too much trouble". 1000th time I hear LPL say this, and also the 1000th time it's followed by the core smoothly slipping out of the sleeve like it has 0 friction and accompanied by the most satisfactory of 'clicks'.
i would have liked to see some raking! most of these locks with lots of pins seem to be vulnerable to raking since they're all standard pins and seem to be cheaply made. it doesn't take much imagination as a lock manufacturer to simply say "we'll add more pins!", because there's plenty of 5 and 6 pin locks that can give you a huge run for your money.
The goal here is not to open the lock, that is just the result. The enjoyment that this guy gets is from doing the difficult task. any idiot can brute force or break in. and destroying the lock means that you cant share this experience with anyone else or even try to do it again yourself to see if it was a fluke.
If the right pins almost have to fall into the left holes when opening/turning (even with the key) doesn't that require that the left and right bittings be symmetrical or that ONE right bitting be always higher?
Looks like you need a transparent "follower" with a hole to use it just for the core, so you can easily pick which pin to drop without having to cover all the other pins with your fingers.
I was just watching your video about rekeying a lock and adding master disc that fall into holes so if someone uses the old key it gets stuck half turn in and was thinking "why not add another row so its harder to pick" i guess someone already invented my idea and it only took you a few extra seconds to repick the side row. Guess i wont quit my job and start making locks lol
That is a beautiful looking core, tolerances didn't look so great, little bit waggly looking (might be the detent and ball though) overall a nice effort and against most people it would probably provide decent security against picking. As a side benefit as it would be just as awkward to pick closed you'd probably know someone had attacked your lock. Tricky gut too!
If the right pins fall into the left holes as the lock rotates, doesn't that imply the left and right bidding has to be identical? It seems to me that kind of defeats at least part of the purpose.
I’m sure that replacing the center row with some spools would improve the resiliency, but would that even be possible with the side rows? Having flat sides seems like spooling or serrading them would either jam up the lock or cause the key to fail to open the lock.
Nice work - interesting lock. Interesting also that the holes for the left and right side pins are in the same positions. I'm wondering why the top side pins would have a flat side? Doesn't seem to have any function here, but could be an interesting concept to develop into something functional.
@Vaasref That's pretty much what i mean, yeah. @LSD Locks If the two side rows of pins were round i think they would have problems interfacing their respective biddings since the central bidding would be in the way. And since the side biddings seems to be fairly narrow the designers of the lock had to bring the points the pins towards the center of the key as much as they could so the points ride directly on said bidding. Otherwise, if the pins were round, the points would probably be more likely to slip off to the side of the key, wedging them into the side of the core instead of pushing them upwards. Makes sense? (I'm doing my best to explain something very visual in world...) And keep in mind, this is my guess based on what i saw in this video, beyond that, your guess is as good as mine! ;)
Amazing lock, and I would say that it just goes to show that the pin-tumbler has become an obsolete design -- however you also opened the Abus Granit disc detainer padlock -- so now I don't know what to think.
Is there any lock that is so precisely manufactured that tensioning doesn't work, or there any design where tensioning doesn't work? Where the cylinder turns freely unless one set of pins locks the cylinder in position.
Sure. There are a lot of locks that can't be picked, some of them quite cheap! When a lock is manufactured within a tolerance of plus or minus .0005" (or .005" for a cheap one,) it just means that locks on the assembly line are rejected if they are outside that tolerance range, but no one is checking to see if they accidentally come out absolutely perfect. There could be locks somewhere in the manufacturing run of even the worst brands in the world where everything lines up so perfectly that they end up being impossible to pick open. As a locksmith, I sometimes joke that a consumer cannot count on a cheap lock to be secure, but I can't count on them to always be easy to open.
The automated advert for this video was for 'Kinetica K4' door cylinder locks. Apparently 'british designed'. I'm doubtful of the quality of this, if the advert is anything to go by. (Not sure what some random bloke thumping a punch bag has to do with actual security). So it would be great for LPL to test one of them.
What I found interesting. Is LPL is defintely an expert, and he was doing this in a controlled environment with prior knowledge about the lock. And he still struggled. Imagine some guy with a basic pick set trying to pick this lock
On this one, it would have been nice to get a close up shot of the core through the bottom of the keyway towards the holes for the pins. It’s so wide open that unlike almost any other lock you’d actually see something.
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love when he says"not sure whats holding us up." like the lock has no business defying him. lol
Fucking loved this comment
@@sleezcs
Same! My favorite part was when they said "laugh out out out out out loud"
How dare this tiny metal creature defy my power??!
Bartooc haha nice😄
😅😅😅 it doesn’t
I feel like one of the biggest security features of this lock is that your average picker would not expect or recognise a three row lock.
Really? And how long did it take you to come to that obvious conclusion?
@@ThePrufessanot as long as it took you to reply.
@@robertwillett1164 I replied as soon as I read your irrelevant comment. So wtf are you talking about?
@@ThePrufessa your replied to the original comment 3 years after. That’s what I’m talking about you dumb fuck. Too dumb to even see the joke ffs
@@ThePrufessa wow, you’re so dumb 😂😂
i don’t know why i’m so into this, i have never had anything to do with locks before in my life
it is rather facinating, isn't it?
Me either, but he inspired me to try it and it's kind of a neat little hobby. I've been practicing the last few days and he makes it look so easy. But the first time I opened a padlock was a thrilling feeling lol
@@Steve_I Grats! Welcome to the club!
Watching it is kinda like meditation.
It's his systematic approach to this. It really has to do with his speech pattern and expertise. I'll watch an expert do anything.
This is the longest I've ever seen LPL take on a lock. I'm damn impressed with it.
He was effectively picking 3 locks, each with a different amount of pins, at the same time.
Actually more like 4 cause the 3 row pins connected again with the first row holes.
I like how you can hear the excitement in his voice when he tells the story of finding it and when he cracks it open. If he had a tail it would be wagging really fast right now.
Fill this with security pins and send it to bill
this is just plain evil
@@Strothy2 *plain
@@TechnologistAtWork thx ^^'
Hahaha
That might cause Bill to shoot the other leg and both arms...
I was thinking
“Finally a lock that can’t be picked”
LPL “nice click out of 4 and it’s open”
3 minutes for LPL to pick while the lock was on a vise = Eternity for human beings when lock is installed on doors.
This lock is one of the few locks who managed to enter the Pantheon of "LPL180+" grade locks.
Tbh though alot of illegal pickers would come along, pick the middle row and be confused as to why it hasn't opened yet due to the extra two rows he didn't know about
clearly not enough pins, how about 5 rows of pins for 23 pins, it can still be picked, but now it takes 25 minutes to do it
also needs more spools for lots of false sets
Finally a cylinder you actually have to spend 60 seconds with.. where do I buy one?
Exactly what i was thinking while he picked it
To be fair, it's probably a quick throttle with a rake and it's open.
@@kairu_aname If that was the case he probably would have done that
kairu aname how could he do that when there are three rows of pins?
@@christophermoore6110
They make tools that are for those side pins. Use those.
It's probably not hard to figure out if you put some brain power to it. It's just a tad different.
"You're gonna need a bigger -boat- tray."
Let's get this all onto a tray! NICE!
@@chefofchitown Nice little click!
Maybe one of those workbench mats that are just covered in pin selection grooves.
3 minute 25 to pick, this is a BEAST
If you replace some of the pins with security pins, it'll be a bother to open XD
Took over 3 minutes for LPL to pick? Must be a god tier lock then!
Imagine if they put security pins and floating disks as well
Or spools, I feel like that counter rotation could drop a few pins when they're so closely stacked
Time to pick does not necessarily translate to difficulty to pick this would be one of those cases, the lock took so long because there's 13 damn pins in there that does not mean those pins are particularly good that just means there's a lot of them.
@@the_undead which equates to security, because the longer you're standing there picking the lock, the bigger chance someone finds you, no?.. so yeah, shut your mouth.
@@BlueberryWizard this thing had no security pins you could probably rake it very quickly.
Impressive picking. Is there anything you cannot pick ? The key alone would stop 99% of people from even attempting it, -- into the naughty bucket it goes. You made this look as easy as a standard 5 pin lock, truly you did. Thanks for the entertainment. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.
The legend says his hand is still shaking to this day...
If it has a key, he can pick it!
Yes, he was not able to pick bowley locks.
did he pick a medeco yet ?
@Maxi Max Yeah that is pretty much the unpickable lock of legends.
Ain't unbreakable tho
That was crazy! I thought for sure it might stump you. Waiting on my new picks and practice locks to get here. My sister bought me a book on lock picking in 1968 which shows how long I have been curious. Now I am 63 and decided to make it into a fun hobby. Back in '68, you just couldn't get what you needed like you can today. Thanks.
Almost makes me want to cheer on the lock when it takes him more than 30 sec.s to pick open...😹. Great video.
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After a few LPL videos, I'm thinking, instead of racing to make the 'unpickable lock', wouldn't it be more practically effective to make a 'dummy lock'? I mean, imagine installing a lock like the one in this video, but it's a dummy lock. The real key is a magnetic card or bluetooth passkey. Someone spends like 45 minutes picking this lock, unlocks the cylinder, but nothing happens. To fool a stalker further, the digital key can be in the form of a dummy key. Shaped like a key that you insert into the cylinder, but actually what unlocks it is the digital data inside the dummy key. A stalker thief will see you unlock it with a regular key, but pulls his/her hair out trying to pick it....
I’ll see if I can code that
That's gonna be an interesting application, as long as it's durable enough and able to work securely, even without direct electricity from the house, cuz some places such as my country have power outages, so it would suck to be locked out, or have a lock's security failing in an event like that, but still an interesting concept to work from nonetheless.
I like the way you think. RFID tag shaped like a key with the sensor behind the lock. Brilliant.
Dudes if only locking companies spent 10 minutes reading the coments in LPL vids, they would make some sick security pices... I'm amazed by this comments Ingenuity.
Personally, I would do a varying strengths of magnets for a key's shape to either push, pull or push a pin further in design to allow turning in a core material like ones used with harddrives to protect the disk from the internal powerful magnetic. It would be horrible to figure out picking.
That is a cool lock. I can't imagine how hard that would be to pick if it had security pins.
Smeado I was thinking the same thing. Some security pins would make it difficult, but I think they'd have to be custom made. The holes are quite narrow.
Let's make it even more interesting... Add the same sort of 3-row pins at the 90, 180, and 270 degree points and they are all different from each other (i.e. the key can only go in one way). That would make it into a 52 pin lock... :)
Wide undercut Ruko pin holes...
@@seanseoltoir the key already can only go in 1 way.... smh
That might be enough to make The LPL rage quit. I know I would.
you know what I was thinking that would be super interesting to add to your videos in general, is a score on pickability, and and score on overall security. for example on every lock you pick you could say I would give a score of 88 out of 100 for picking security and 75% on overall security, this way if people are shopping for a lock either for lock picking sport, or either just to secure their motorcycle, they could see what you think of their specific lock. I think it woudl increase your views too! let me know what you think!
very true. especially over a long time when your opinions might change
I was thinking the same thing...A score card would be awesome. Age doesn't matter we score cybersecurity using qualitative formulas...it's actually rather easy and cybersecurity is much more dynamically moving then physical security.
Problem is that difficulty is subjective.
You just look at the length of his video, and can make pretty informed decisions lol
Great idea, kinda like a Doug score that car reviewer guy gives now.
Soon as I realized the lock only needed 1 re-pick and the pins from the left dropped into the holes on the right I knew the pin stacks were staggered. Then u took it apart and YES. Look how much you’ve taught me! 🙏🏻 Never taken apart a lock in my life lol
Imagine how gutted a lock-making company must feel when they see their lock on LPL channel. “Oh ffs lads he’s cracked this one in 12 seconds as well”
Masterlock-
"Hey, it's free publicity"
Dunno if the pun was on purpose lol 🤣
He took a whole 5seconds, call publicity, put that on the box, we are rich
What I want to know is who fears an lpl video more, the guy designing master locks with weak cores or the guy designing the combination lock that can be decoded in seconds
@@Benson7290 Neither, it's the people that use those locks.
Bruh. It took this man 3 minutes and change to open this. If there were security pins in here this would be insane.
I really like that they machined the core instead of casting it, they even took the time to resurface the floating areas of the core (the parts that don't really rub up against any other parts. I mean it could use a little spit and polish but they probably never thought that someone would want to open it up. I kind of want one of these for my collection. Scratch that, there aren't any on the English-speaking web and my Chinese isn't good enough to mess around the Chinese-speaking boards. I'm sure I'll be able to find a similar one at some point if I keep an eye out for one.
Needs 7 or 8 more rows of pins.
Plus 4 sidebars lol
And a 90 degree turn
You heartless monster!
@Robert Slackware it should slow everybody, even an owner
And a few trap pins
Ill be honest....i was a criminal in Baltimore for 20+ years. I never had interest in picking, or engineering of locks. Spent my time in jail & prison and changed my life. Just happened upon these videos by coincidence and im completely intrigued in how to pick and how these puzzles work. Its amazing. No criminal intentions these days but id love to learn these skills just to say i can do it...lol oh your locked out? Lemme get my lock pick set off my motorcycle n get you in...lol
Man! His patience in gutting the lock is impressive. I'd have dumped everything out and used the housing as a paperweight and called it a day.
I think the RUclips recommendations might be trying to frame me....... DIY chloroform, now lock picking videos? weird..
Ha oof 😆
Haha will see your name in the headlines soon.
It goes off your Google history, searches, pages you have looked at
DIY chloroform you say?
Could be that you're watching a lot of learning or DIY videos. That or RUclips just throws curve balls from time to time. That's how I usually find weird stuff.
The problem with most lock companies is that they are in business NOT for actual security but to SELL their locks! So if they can make a lock with 13 flipping pins, which most people would think of unpickable and high security, or advertise as such just to give ppl a false sense of security to sell cheap locks for a very high price....well that's what they do. Its all about the ILLUSION of security and safety. Big huge padlocks, fansy laser cut key, branding as unpickable, etc. All designed to fool the consumer into buying their product for high security. Its sad but by god it works and they damn well know it! Great vid btw! I one day hope to have your picking skills and start a career of my own! (And if not, have a skill set guaranteed to have a use! Lol)
I'm quite certain that no common thief even considers attempting to pick the Abloy Protec lock on my door. 😊
Do you look at any lock out in real life and laugh to yourself knowing you can get anywhere you want if you wanted to lol
Paul Lonardo no because he's a lawyer so he knows all about fingerprints and security cameras.
Lawers always about legality and not morals am I right? @@alexcorona
ACPHOTO so you’re saying he CAN’T get in anywhere, because of those things?
My father is a professional locksmith... "Locks keep honest people out."
@@madprofet that's a definite. Nit like it's worth spending 300 bucks to protect a 300 bike. Good way to be out 600
This to a newbie looked absolutely terrifying, well done,outstanding pick,billbobaggins.
I don't know or want to know anything about lockpicking, but all I learned from watching you and your videos is that this is the best lock so far...
I've been watching for just a few weeks and it's highly entertaining. I haven't seen one yet of you putting them locks back together. :)
If I didn't already have too many hobbies...
The dramatic reveal of the other side of the key was great. Really interesting video!
LPL started picking at 1:57 and ended at 5:18.
It took him a solid 4.5 minutes to pick this thing. That’s a good lock.
I like you videos on all of the locks you pick and even the ones that don’t require much picking.
Have you ever thought about designing a unique lock that would be a real challenge even to yourself?
If you do I would probably buy a few.
I guess that little ball bearing gives a nice satisfying click when the user returns the key to the original position.
The extra-wide keyway may be convenient for more competent pickers, it may actually serve as a challenge for novices, who often only have to think about in-out and up-down manipulations of the pick, without thinking about rolling or yawing, as the keyway usually keeps you right in line.
Since it took you relatively long to pick it, I'd say it's good enough. Much better with some upgrades, like security pins and a cover so no one can see the key.
What an amazing lock :-) the key reminds me of the Illinois high security wafer lock
I love that you don't have the click baits. So many others would have fat letters on the thumbnail saying 13 pins!!!! But you have it in brackets in the title.
I mean, that's not really clickbait, it's true.
@@joshz6975 Its clickbait if you put it in fat letters in the middle of the thumbnail trying to attract people. Stating it like a fact is how he stated it, in the brackets in the title.
I would really like to see how you reassemble the lock, especially those springs and driver pins.
Does LPL reassemble the lock?
With a proper "channeled" follower like he's using, I'd say not particularly difficult, just very tedious...
I need one of these locks. It took him longer than 30 seconds that’s good enough for me.
Looks like you're going to have to mill some new slots in your pinning tray for these absurd massively multi pin style locks, lol.
I'd like to see him try putting this lock back together... I feel like that would be a bigger challenge for the LPL than it was to pick it.
I find it amazing that a lock of that quality came from China. When I say quality I'm not referring to pick resistance, but rather the machining. Looks to have good tolerances, all stainless/brass, and is far more secure than your average lock made in the USA.
From an European point of view: seeing any USA made / sold lock brings up the question: is it a toy? Are they for real considering it a lock?
I enjoy your videos, you don't have some ridiculous intro and simply get right to work. 👍
"13 Pins in 3 Rows!"
then followed by
"Picked and Gutted"
makes me feel like, is LPL really shocked.
Long time lurker, first comment. Awesome video. Hoped for more from this lock, but ultimately, not surprised! Love your channel!
Great video. The flats on the side pins line up with the bitting on the center of the key, to allow it in between the 2 side rows.
Mad skills as always. thank you for the time efficient knowledge my friend. You and BosBill are my favorites in regards to locksport. Keep your mind on the money and your money in your shoe. Thank you again.
That key is wild. I'm pretty new to this, so, this one surprised me greatly. Great video, as always.
Maybe you have done it before, but as someone who knows nothing about picking and bloody little about locks I would love to see a video explaining all the different pins function and styles.
Amazing job of picking, as usual. What is in the side chambers that keeps the flat sides of those pins aimed toward the center of the keyway, and not spinning around?
In the top down view of the plug (core) starting at 12:17 it looks like there's something that would prevent the pins from turning, but it's hard to see what. At around 12:34 there seems to be something inside the side holes, but I can't figure out how they would be able to put something in those tiny holes that could reliably stop the pins from spinning around. Thinking that it's hard to drill D-shaped holes and that it should be something easy to make on an assembly line, I thought perhaps the manufacturer drilled the side holes first, then drilled a hole down the center and put a round rod in from the back through the length of the plug to partially block the side holes, and then drilled the holes for the central row of pins. What do you think?
Very interesting lock. Cool to see it picked and you did great gutting it. A locksmith shop inside there.
Thanks for sharing your skills and hobby mate
What prevents the sidepins from turning? The flat side should always face to the center to let the key passing through. But, as the holes are round, the pins could turn.
Great work once again. What a beautiful lock. And I bet it was a very hard reassembly.
I've got to say I really enjoyed seeing you have to work harder than usual to pick this lock...and also working harder than usual to gut the lock. I've got massive respect to the Chinese designer who came up with that and for the factory workers who assemble the locks.
it is a shame the lock company did well with the design, but got a bit lazy with the pins. I bet that locksport people could repin one of those locks and make it put up a much bigger fight. Is there any chance you could stick three rakes together to see if this lock is vulnerable to that sort of attack or to some sort of three-way bump key exploit?
One other thing. I'm left wondering how they can cut keys for this sort of lock, at a locksmith. Is there any chance you or your friend can locate a video of a Chinese locksmith showing us a blank and cutting a key from it?
It could be interesting to see the bumping of this lock.
I suppose that may be easier than picking the pins one by one, considering equal springs and a lack of anti-bump features.
190 second pick. Yep, that's a lock.
PLEASE Mr LPL, what affordable residencial pick resistant dead bolt do you think I should "take a look at" for my family home?👍 Thumbs up and subscribed!
How does the manufacturer machine the holes in the chamber to accommodate the flat sided pins? Thanks
Do you think you would have a hard time figuring out what was going on with this lock if you encountered it without knowing it's configuration?
With a keyway so wide it wouldn't be too hard to figure out, but you're right it's not the most common configuration
With some light and a hint from the massive keyway you could probably sort it out fairly quick.
did you ever tought about being a dentist?
Teeth 1 is loose... 2 is loose... Got a click out of 3
@@Otoma :D:D:D:D:D:D
tooth 2 is binding. got a click out of tooth 5.
*whole skull is split open* " and we're in!"
@@Otoma oh God that Got me hurting, I didnt know I could laugh so hard, oh God my sides hurt!
Locking Picking Lawyer, "no clue what's holding us up.." That means definitely install these cylinders on your house...
Another great video but I sure wouldn't want to be the one to put it all back together lol. This lock does have some great potential in becoming a very nice challenge lock.
It almost sounded like the lock was gunna win. Been watching a while just started searching the archives. I think this is the first time I’ve heard you sound even remotely confused.
Basic key lock of the future maybe? It didn't exactly make it impossible to pick, but you sure wouldn't want to have to pick in any kind of a hurry, and if you didn't know what you were doing it would be practically impossible to pick. Also having the side rows means having to pick it twice in mid turn! Definitely a challenge to the uninitiated.
Sooooo… I wonder where one can get these locks and what applications they can be used for
Definitely the longest I’ve seen him take. Though this was 6 years ago, so I wonder if he’d be able to get in noticeably quicker with about half-decade of experience under his belt
I always enjoy seeing the innards of the lock but i always wonder how much work it is to reassemble it.
I'd like to see a video of you reassembling a lock after tweezing all the driver pins out... that seems painful.
I Am hooked on these videos!
So when the core was turned one side's pins dropped into the other's holes, yet the cuts on the key aren't the same. How did the manufacturer keep that from happening with normal use when the bidding on the sides are different?
With the key, all pins will be aligned with the shear line throughout the turn, so the driver pins will have nowhere to fall into.
@@inakilbss ya I'm not sure why I had trouble with this when I made the comment lol.
Thank you. This saved us 7 locks and mums disappointed looks.
6:07 "Now let's get a follower, and hopefully this doesn't give us too much trouble". 1000th time I hear LPL say this, and also the 1000th time it's followed by the core smoothly slipping out of the sleeve like it has 0 friction and accompanied by the most satisfactory of 'clicks'.
You can see this is a hand fitted lock by the filing on the shear line and rounded and rough edges on the side bottom pins.
i would have liked to see some raking! most of these locks with lots of pins seem to be vulnerable to raking since they're all standard pins and seem to be cheaply made. it doesn't take much imagination as a lock manufacturer to simply say "we'll add more pins!", because there's plenty of 5 and 6 pin locks that can give you a huge run for your money.
and check out the bitting on the middle row lol
Something on the order of a brush, that could tickle all of the pins at once.
The goal here is not to open the lock, that is just the result. The enjoyment that this guy gets is from doing the difficult task. any idiot can brute force or break in. and destroying the lock means that you cant share this experience with anyone else or even try to do it again yourself to see if it was a fluke.
This is more fun than 9th grade biology class where we dissected a frog.
Great job picking as always brother and thanks for sharing
Is there something keeping the center row of pins from falling straight through the keyway? I couldn't figure that out with the wide open keyway.
The pin holes are not drilled that far.
Put a set of security pins into it, and it would be much more challenging. Thanks for this interesting one.
4:18 this is the first time I hear LPL say "I have no idea"... I want to buy this lock!
If the right pins almost have to fall into the left holes when opening/turning (even with the key) doesn't that require that the left and right bittings be symmetrical or that ONE right bitting be always higher?
No. The key holds all the pins at the shear line while turning the whole way, which picking doesn't do
Looks like you need a transparent "follower" with a hole to use it just for the core, so you can easily pick which pin to drop without having to cover all the other pins with your fingers.
I was just watching your video about rekeying a lock and adding master disc that fall into holes so if someone uses the old key it gets stuck half turn in and was thinking "why not add another row so its harder to pick" i guess someone already invented my idea and it only took you a few extra seconds to repick the side row. Guess i wont quit my job and start making locks lol
That is a beautiful looking core, tolerances didn't look so great, little bit waggly looking (might be the detent and ball though) overall a nice effort and against most people it would probably provide decent security against picking. As a side benefit as it would be just as awkward to pick closed you'd probably know someone had attacked your lock. Tricky gut too!
I would like to see what's going on inside the lock while you are picking it. I guess that would necessitate illustrations?
If the right pins fall into the left holes as the lock rotates, doesn't that imply the left and right bidding has to be identical? It seems to me that kind of defeats at least part of the purpose.
I’m sure that replacing the center row with some spools would improve the resiliency, but would that even be possible with the side rows? Having flat sides seems like spooling or serrading them would either jam up the lock or cause the key to fail to open the lock.
That thing looks insanely awesome inside.
This needs the “Ode To Joy” music from the movie Die Hard when the lock opens. 🤣
Nice work - interesting lock. Interesting also that the holes for the left and right side pins are in the same positions. I'm wondering why the top side pins would have a flat side? Doesn't seem to have any function here, but could be an interesting concept to develop into something functional.
My guess is the flats are facing the key so the points of the side row pins interface correctly with the bidding on the key.
Aren't the flats just to slide against the side of the central biting ?
Don't know.
Don't think so, but could you explain what you mean?
@Vaasref That's pretty much what i mean, yeah.
@LSD Locks If the two side rows of pins were round i think they would have problems interfacing their respective biddings since the central bidding would be in the way. And since the side biddings seems to be fairly narrow the designers of the lock had to bring the points the pins towards the center of the key as much as they could so the points ride directly on said bidding. Otherwise, if the pins were round, the points would probably be more likely to slip off to the side of the key, wedging them into the side of the core instead of pushing them upwards.
Makes sense? (I'm doing my best to explain something very visual in world...)
And keep in mind, this is my guess based on what i saw in this video, beyond that, your guess is as good as mine! ;)
i think the big thing with this video would have been you showing us how you managed to put it back together.
Can you buy them somewhere?! PLZ?!?! :) I need one in my life.
Amazing lock, and I would say that it just goes to show that the pin-tumbler has become an obsolete design -- however you also opened the Abus Granit disc detainer padlock -- so now I don't know what to think.
I wonder if all those pin holes, being so closely spaced, makes this easy to destructively open by sticking a screwdriver in and wrenching on it
Is there any lock that is so precisely manufactured that tensioning doesn't work, or there any design where tensioning doesn't work? Where the cylinder turns freely unless one set of pins locks the cylinder in position.
Sure. There are a lot of locks that can't be picked, some of them quite cheap! When a lock is manufactured within a tolerance of plus or minus .0005" (or .005" for a cheap one,) it just means that locks on the assembly line are rejected if they are outside that tolerance range, but no one is checking to see if they accidentally come out absolutely perfect. There could be locks somewhere in the manufacturing run of even the worst brands in the world where everything lines up so perfectly that they end up being impossible to pick open. As a locksmith, I sometimes joke that a consumer cannot count on a cheap lock to be secure, but I can't count on them to always be easy to open.
The automated advert for this video was for 'Kinetica K4' door cylinder locks. Apparently 'british designed'. I'm doubtful of the quality of this, if the advert is anything to go by. (Not sure what some random bloke thumping a punch bag has to do with actual security). So it would be great for LPL to test one of them.
I want to see the re-assembly of this lock.
What I found interesting. Is LPL is defintely an expert, and he was doing this in a controlled environment with prior knowledge about the lock. And he still struggled. Imagine some guy with a basic pick set trying to pick this lock
"LPL180+" rating (takes 180+ seconds for LPL to pick) == thousands of years for mere humans.
Awesome pick on a really cool lock. Such a shame they didn't add a couple spools and make a 6 pin.
On this one, it would have been nice to get a close up shot of the core through the bottom of the keyway towards the holes for the pins. It’s so wide open that unlike almost any other lock you’d actually see something.
How can we make another key?.how to cut the side cutting