It's doubly frustrating because it's a hard corner that could have been much better if it was less sharp. If the 2 corners were 60 degrees with tall curbs, it would have much the same effect in terms of slowing everyone down, but without the blood sacrifices to the gods of speed every time someone decides to dive to the inside. Even in IRL racing, Monza T1 is a mess. That's why I consider it the most overrated track out there.
I would have said the chicane at the end of Spa. It's not the worst on its own, and it does even create some overtaking, but it's awful compared to the brilliant bus stop chicane that preceded it.
Yup, same here... But probably only because i know the classic and the previous versions of this track that i really, REALLY dislike the current T-last at Spa.
Previous Bus Stop chicane also wasn't really liked, at least initially. In fact, that's why it was called Bus Stop - slow, clumsy, nothing like the rest of the Spa circuit. Everyone got used to it, we'll get used to current one as well. Although I'm not a big fan too.
I think the larger issue with those corners are that they feel really forced in. Mount panorama has the hardest corners imo but it feels like it flows with the terrain and is meant to be there.
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 Yeah, I should've clarified. The back straight chicane at Road Atlanta is a great overtaking zone, it doesn't break flow, it's got fun elevation change before and after, and it still does the job of slowing the cars down before the final corner.
For me, it has to be my least favourite turn in Motorsport - Oschersleben, turn one. In the immortal words of John "I'm going for first says" Cleland - "The guy who designed that first corner should be taken into a dark room and beat about the head".
That John Cleland quote can also be applied to Hanoi on F1 2020. The last corner and first sector. That section and chemical weapons. Both are crimes against humanity.
Don't get why everyone's hatin' on the first Zolder chicane. I love it, because when you perfectly thread your car between those two curbs it feels amazing.
sochi turn 2. It just doesn't work and It's so half-arsed. The track limits are a nightmare because the racing line has you go off the track. And you simply can't fit 2 cars through it so you can't overtake through it. And finally The way the barriers are designed means cars get reflected back onto the following turn. The one incredible thing about Sochi though is it has the ability to drive me bored to tears after about 5 laps. No other circuit manages that for me. Not even Abu Dhabi...
Master the corners, learn them, even if they're stinkers... Nothing is perfect and well, some love these tricky corners... I love Zolder for example, it's an art to take those chicanes, it is very technical.
Disagree regarding Zolder, though the first chicane is a bit brutal, it sort of creates a staccato rhythm to the circuit, though I do agree all of Paul Ricard is awful, and that the Nurburgring Mercedes arena is simply there to make the lap longer and stop you having too much fun.
Declan, yeah, somehow it's the last chicane that is my least liked in Zolder, or maybe only the entry of that chicane while the exit is quite satisfying if you hit it right.
It definitely provides good racing! Whenever I’m chasing someone I’m always winning time. But whenever I’m in front I loose time. Because of the different lines I guess.
Before I'm going to watch this video I want to say that I personally absoultely hate T1 at Laguna Seca. There are a lot of bad corners around the world but this one is the worst.
Whaaaaat? I love the long, flowing nature of that track! It takes real attention to car setup and careful throttle control to take those long, sweeping turns correctly... And the weird, slow speed chicane type thing that goes steeply uphill and then sweeps down to the left on exit is REALLY hard to get right! I love that track! I absolutely HATE Ascari, however. It's just needlessly making one low speed turn after another. It's like a dollar store version of the nurburgring that's a tenth of the size, and nowhere near as fun. Some people would call it "technical"... I would call it "needlessly dreadful and soul-less" and would call those people who like Ascari "Volkswagen Beetle lovers" No track that's over 3 miles long, yet has a top speed of under 150mph is of any use to anyone. Ever.
For me it’s either Turn 5 at Road America or the Arena at Silverstone. Both are annoyingly hard to get right and I swear I alternate between understeering off and oversteer on exit every time I go through them. The Silverstone turn is somewhat decent in a GT car, though.
I don't agree with zolder alltogether, the 1st chicane is all about clipping 2 apexes perfectly and it it very, very punishing (nice jokes though 😉) the 2nd you can really attack with a nice sliding exit. The 3rd has another challenging exit. So I like zolder, but the rest of the video was way too relatable 😅 although I never drove PR luckily
@@ChrisHaye More I drive on Paul RIcard the more I like it - except that last *************** corner. I do like however, the subtle humor of yours about this week's elections (and more). Cheers for that!
That one corner in the Nurburgring where if you go wide you fly, but if you turn in early you spin out Monza first chicane. Sebring bumps are always annoying
I see some pretty bad stuttering at some points in the video. Does youtube cause this? For example with the flying F1 mclaren and ferrari car scene @1:36 with the camera from above looking straight down.
A lot of these horrible chicanes/sections of track have been designed in over the last 20/25 years or so. The older F1 games on PS1 had the better versions included in the track roster. Nurburgring, Silverstone, Hockenheim, Spa, Monza, Barcelona. The A-1 ring isn't a patch on the old Osterreichring. (Turn 2 at A1 ring is crap). That Paul Ricard circuit is horrible. Tilke circuits in general aren't particularly pleasant to drive around. Of the newer circuits I do like the former F1 track in Turkey, though.
5:13 For me, it's one of the worst... HORRIBLE TO TAKE ! Not funny, difficult, multiple lignes you can take, can easily get offtrack if you go too deep in the corner,...
Pretty much the whole third sector of the current Fuji Speedway would qualify, especially with the optional chicane/hairpin monstrosity that pretty much every series insists on running.
I find most often people make the corners bad rather than the corners being bad themselves...would everyone dread T1 at Monza if they were going through it on their own?
Come on, the Monza rettifilo chicane is pretty good once you figure it out, it's frantic and challenging to get it right. I tend to agree about Barcelona though. I like the Mercedes arena, it's tricky. Paul Ricard I agree, it's all a blur of a track. Zolder chicanes I like them all, they make Zolder such a "physical" track.
No way Chris as soon as you got onto catalunya my first thought was Rossi and Lorenzo showing us the way real racers race I love this! And when you get triples I'd love to try triples before I buy
I hated that until I mastered it... Then it's a gem... Turn in late and just use the last part of it.. It will spot you out without losing speed and you can make loads of time up. Slightly wrong it does upset the car.
Also the 2nd part of Sentul (an Indonesian racetrack) should be in this list. Two almost identical chicanes, followed by a strange last corner (with two apex? I don't understand that corner lol)
The reason for the first chicane at zolder is to slow the cars down so that they don't go over the hill and flip upside down at 150+mph. But every other chicane in every other track needs to dissappear
My least favourites: Final chicane at Spa. Final hairpin at Longbeach. The GP hairpin/section at Donington. All the corners at Texas speedway roval. T1 at the Nurburgring
This list is spot on. All the tracks included is the very single reason why I have a very low rating overall in ACC, except for SA rating. (yes, because 80 % of multiplayer races in ACC uses all the tracks listed in this video, 20% is for Spa) (yes, I went off the limits EVERY SINGLE TIME on these corners)
90% of Red Bull Ring!.........It's like someone realised if they kept going as they were it would just be a "square" of 4 right turns, so they threw a wiggly bit in the middle, just to get some lefts in.......and then went straight back to the 90' rights..........It's fecking awful!
For me it is basically the entire Circuit de Monaco, but the Grand Hotel Hairpin in particular takes the cake, followed by (in no particular order) Portier, Nouvelle chicane and La Rascasse. That track is just painstakingly slow most of the way around. Who the heck thought that a track where qualifying, pit strategy and whoever DNF determines the finishing order, was a good idea for an F1 race??? Watching the grass in my lawn grow is more fun than watching a race at Monaco! Remember the 1996 F1 Grand Prix? Everyone who crossed the checkered flag got a step on the podium...
LOVE this video Chris, love your humour and awesome writing skills - can't disagree with any of these TBH! Although I'm weird because I kinda enjoy Paul Ricard overall, it's not easy but perhaps it suits my driving style. Actually, I'd add Imola Variante Alta (Turn 14) - it has far more charm than many other chicanes you mentioned, but it's still an utter **** when you clout the kerbs the wrong way in the wrong sim :D Cheers Chris!
The final sector at Fuji is mind numbingly annoying. It's like someone thought "ok - we have a high speed track with a super long straight and great flowing corners - how can we fuck this up and troll everyone? Aha! Endless slow speed blind corners! YES! Great job, Toyokawasuzudatsunissan-son! Great job!"
Little well known but... Richard Burns Rally Last corner Hualapai Nation. a DISGUSTANG medium right which tightens to something the isn't medium or kay but somewhere in between with a stupid Armco on the outside right as you were about to get the World Record. A truly awful corner that needs to be experienced first hand.
So the 1000nd like is from me then. :-) What about the final corner @ Knutstorp (SWE) which you can enjoy in Raceroom - and it's not a chicane. Or - talking about chicanes: One of the god of mayhem's all time favourite must be the first chicane at the otherwise beautiful Salzburgring. Closing with one that might surprise you. Laguna Seca corkscrew. One corner that is praised so often...but I dunno for what. A pain to drive in every car. I really don't know what they drank before constructing that. So if you ever might do an episode II of this...have a go at my proposals ;-)
Hairpin at Hockenheim GP (prepare to get rear-ended in the braking zone and then spin out while trying to accelerate out of it) Bus stop at Spa (so out of place for the rest of the circuit) T1 at Oschersleben (complete mess with any number of cars trying to go through at once) Chicane at Estoril (the elevation change will dash your hopes of making a quick getaway) Hairpin at Macau (hope you got your handbrake mapped)
I recently did the Paul Ricard F2 round in my F1 2020 career (yes its not really a sim but its close enough and I'm having fun) and I'm shocked how much fun I had: I've never liked Paul Ricard in anything else but I found racing there really fun for some reason. Dunno if it got me while I was in a good mood or something but while the first sector stinks and the last turn isn't great I genuinely had fun for the rest of the lap. Since its a Codemasters track its probably not very accurate but, hey, that might be an improvement in this case. I'd agree with everything else though: you could probably group the Festival Turns at Portland with the Monza Chicane since its basically the same corner and all of the same things happen; I dislike Catalunya with a passion but the Chicane is by far the worst bit; the Nurburgring GP circuit is actually good if you skip the Arena and while I enjoy racing at Zolder sometimes its not a track I ever chose to drive outside of races.
I'd have to say the FIRST hairpin at Nurburgring. The "revised" chicane at Monza bit me hard when I first tried it, after YEARS of no chicane with Superbike, and Superbike 2001.
This is actually a very well-put-together list!! These are indeed the worst things to drive - especially considering what they replaced (high-speed Curva Grande, Barcelona penultimate turn, original left-hander in Zolder). And yes, the new Busstop would have been the icing on the cake...
Yes you are right that the chicane in Monza is shit but it has its purpose irl. when you would go down that straight with 350kph then i wanna see you how you would deal with a sudden suspention failure at Curva Grande. its there to keep the speed down and even tho it´s not the best solution to that problem we have to deal with it in sim racing as sad as it sounds. the 1980s layout with that double chicane would be better since its not that high of an angle the corner goes. currently the chicane has a 90° right but the 1980s layout is more like a 170° right kink with an 45-60°left and so on. look it up if you want to know more
Chicanes are fun. What's missing is the elevation change from the chicanes. In my area of Canada, the chicanes we have, they have huge elevation change and so, the suspension compresses at apex of the part A of the corner, and then the apex of the part B is at the crest, so the car almost goes airborne. A great example of this is the chicanes at the fictional RaceRoom Circuit from the RaceRoom game. They're almost full-throttle in some cars, and slow the truly fast, truly dangerous cars only. WTCR cars are full-throttle. A crash in a TCR car is almost always survivable at racing speeds. LMP1 cars are not full-throttle there. You will need to brake. If the purpose of the chicane is to slow speeds down so that the crashes aren't fatal 350 km/h crashes, then the chicane must be built accordingly. Make the chicane slow down the high horsepower rockets, without making every corner be 40 km/h. Then, follow it up with a hairpin, so that passes can still happen... Repeat. You've got yourself a race track.
And in addition to the bunching up, these repeated slow corners spread the field out in the grand scheme, because on acceleration out, the cars jump apart again. And this doesn't help the racing, especially when you have to repeatedly give up lap time, using up tires and possibly other parts of the car in the process, in order to attempt to avoid a collision. Watch an F1 race at Monza from before 1972, and see how close the field can stay together. And in those wingless cars, the old Curva Grande and Lesmos are no joke. Admittedly, they made Pont at Paul Ricard tighter in 2002, but it really is an unfortunate thing. Signe, Verrerie, and the whole Double Droite-to-Tour section aren't bad, certainly not in their unmolested forms. That last section, before Pont, is such a rarity anymore, a flowing set of corners all running into each other, requiring a driver to compromise. Yeah, Zolder just seems painful sometimes. If it was just the 1st one to prevent taeoffs over the crest, that would be one thing, but it's gotten ridiculous. I think they could have figured things out better for the 2nd one, and since they've moved back Turn 1 to add run-off, do they need the 3rd one even at this point? The Catalunya thing holds for a number of others. The Castrol S at the Nurburgring was so much nicer than the Arena, and the straighter approach made it better for overtaking. In addition to that chicane, they'd already messed around with La Caixa at Catalunya a few years earlier. The circuit wasn't anything ultra spectacular (not helped by being used for testing all the time), but it was at least tolerable and had a reasonable flow.
My most hated circuit out of all of these is Fuji Speedway, which also is my favourite real life circuit, just not after the revamp. The 70s version was GREAT!, even in Gran Turismo, but the rFactor with the bank was great fun to drive, 80s were good too, and so was the 90s... Then the massive revamp and now the entire circuit just looks like somebody stuffed the nose and mouth of straights and corners and then sneezed on a board, and then somebody had to try and connect the mess they made. In short, I avoid that track as much as possible.
You need more group C and 90s dtm cars I’ve got almost a full grid of 1989 group C cars with the exception of the Peugeot and they are all pretty good quality. As for the dtm cars I’ve got a whole field of 91-92 cars they’re not the best but they make racing so much better
Mercedes Arena with DRM Revival cars ... less boring, but agree with the second corner. Only circuit I really dislike is Paul Ricard, not only the layout, but of course the runoffs.
Great video Chris. Appreciate the sacrifice! For what it's worth, Acque Minerali at Imola resembles a scrap yard in the original AC public servers (and no doubt ACC too now!) The corkscrew is a pain in sim racing and the corners before and after it result in a four-corner sequence just waiting to destroy your lap times. And your tyres.
Paul Ricard is like driving a circuit backwards. Zolder is bad on paper, but it's a decent 'rhythm' track. Spa should be on the list, too; a series of un-inspired 90° turns that conclude with....a chicane.
I honestly don't get the hate for either Paul Ricard or the Mercedes arena, because they're both extra challenging and can make for some cool side by side action as long as your car isn't 2m x 5m and dirty hell air *cough* F1 *cough*. However one corner that I hate that I'm surprised isn't on the list is the nurburgring F1 chicane. It's so clunky and boring and narrow, and it breaks the amazing flow that the circuit has with the GT chicane
I haven't seen anyone mention my greatest doom: Corner 13 at *Singapore GP.* Right after Anderson Bridge. It's the blindest of corners and follow right after a very narrow but full throttle turn in the other direction. This makes it very hard to brake in a straight line. There is also no runoff should you brake too late. Anyone else?
To continue the rightly deserved chicane hatred I despise the awkwardness of Variante Alta at Imola, especially after the majesty of Acque Minerale... and to think it's coming to ACC this month, god help us.
The worst corner of them all is double droit de beausset. That’s the reason i never race at Paul Ricard. The good thing bout the ACC version is that you dont have the chicane in the middle of the straight.
Are you kidding, Beausset is great! It's a very difficult, unique corner, banked a bit towards the end, quite high-speed on entry, flows well with Signes, etc. // The Mistral Chicane, well, THAT deserves a place here, yes!!
I agree. Zolder with GT4 cars is not the worst but final two corners at Paul Ricard... OMG. 169 circuit configurations of Paul Ricard but not one of them can is without those two... I hate it. I hate it the most, more then Monza, Zolder,... or any corner/track mentioned in the video.
@@Atticvs32 can't agree more! the whole circuit feels awkward to me, but this tricky double righthander is probably the only turn that consistently feels satisfying when done right. at least in the car that I used there (LMP1)
@@vsm1456 Ah, it's the same in everything else, I found - I've driven F1 and GTs there in sims - never LMP1s though - are they flat through Signes? Having to do just a dab of brakes in a GT is very satisfying with the trailbraking to follow through Beausset.
Variante Alta is the worst corner ever!!! Drive around the curbs and you are slow. Drive over them and the car catches air. TWICE!!! Who ever thought an F1 track needs an off road section? The racing world needs Variante Alta like humans need a second anus
In the minority here bc I'm actually a fan of chicanes 😅 really can't think of a corner I'm just sick of, but as far as disliked tracks go, I'd pick....Brno
I pressed Thumps up the moment i saw the iconic photo of Rossi passing Lorenzo in Barcelona 2009! Overal, great video, i can't wait for the best corners in sim racing now.
Worst has to be the great "nothing" that replaced Bridge @ Silverstone. Followed by almost all of Misano, Baku sector 1 is up there as well and - I hate to say this - Arie Luyendijkbocht - I love the old one, the banking kills that corner...
2:20 Hold your damn brakes you spinning piece of ....!!! That's what pisses me off the most about people. Get crashed, hold the brakes, dont let the car roll onto another one!
I think the majority as also me choose Monz corner 1 and 2. The corner isnt so bad at al but its popular image as the legendary monza circuit. Monza is on the multiplayer like a noob magnet on the sim racing games. And ther is not from nothing the saying ... "Monza never changes" XD
the corners I find quite hard are corners from sector 3 in Sochi: weird braking after the long back straight, hard to accelerate well out of turn 15 and apex at turn 16 just sends your car very wide. Ofc whole circuit is bad, but this section is worst
Maybe you should've made a seperate video just for the worst chicanes :D Honestly I was expecting Oschersleben on this list, that track has insanely stupid corners
wow even the map on the gravel by the chicane at catalunya shows the track map without the chicane. it exudes a smug, mocking aura. "this is what you could be doing, but instead you have to crawl through my narrow back passage" says the track, "enjoy it, fucker"
Definitely the first chicane from Monza for me, I can't just get the hang of it no matter how much I try
That'll be the Linus avatar - can't brake properly in sandals.
Pretty much the entirety of Monza for me.
@@ChrisHaye lmaoooo
That feeling when you survive turn 1 at monza😂
It's doubly frustrating because it's a hard corner that could have been much better if it was less sharp. If the 2 corners were 60 degrees with tall curbs, it would have much the same effect in terms of slowing everyone down, but without the blood sacrifices to the gods of speed every time someone decides to dive to the inside. Even in IRL racing, Monza T1 is a mess. That's why I consider it the most overrated track out there.
Worst corners? Surely you can sum it all up by simply saying “Abu Dhabi”.
I'm not sure any of them are all that bad. Bad would imply that they inspire any sort of emotion what-so-ever. Really, it's just 5.5km of meh!
@@ChrisHaye Half of circuit is made of 90° corners...
Abu Dhabi is 5.5km of wasted tarmac. The blancmange of racetrack.
@@gameboyterrorysta6307 in russia everything us almost 90° except turn 3 or 4 (the never ending turn)
"the first sector is fine" - Kimi
I actually find the Zolder chicanes quite fun.
True
Zolder is a nightmare in traffic. There is no room for overtaking, and the chicanes are as such that you lose momentum if you get it wrong.
@@Wigwahm but if you get it right it is one of the most rewarding things in acc
@@Bigboss-1132 the laptime would be so short 😂
First one sucks in my opinion.
Like the other two, though...
I would have said the chicane at the end of Spa. It's not the worst on its own, and it does even create some overtaking, but it's awful compared to the brilliant bus stop chicane that preceded it.
Yeah, I live in this strange space where I still call it Bus Stop, but complain about how it's not as good as Bus Stop :D
Yup, same here... But probably only because i know the classic and the previous versions of this track that i really, REALLY dislike the current T-last at Spa.
Agree. My favourite circuit but the number of times I have messed up this last corner while on the last lap..!!
Same thing about monza... The old two chicanes were much better.
Previous Bus Stop chicane also wasn't really liked, at least initially. In fact, that's why it was called Bus Stop - slow, clumsy, nothing like the rest of the Spa circuit. Everyone got used to it, we'll get used to current one as well. Although I'm not a big fan too.
I think the larger issue with those corners are that they feel really forced in. Mount panorama has the hardest corners imo but it feels like it flows with the terrain and is meant to be there.
I feel like now you need to do a video on "Best Chicanes in Sim Racing"
Road Atlanta.
@@ryanwhitlock7350 i was gonna say "road atlanta is an entire circuit". But after some consideration i agree road atlanta are the best chicanes
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 Yeah, I should've clarified. The back straight chicane at Road Atlanta is a great overtaking zone, it doesn't break flow, it's got fun elevation change before and after, and it still does the job of slowing the cars down before the final corner.
Idk, if youre talking about chicanes we definately cannot forget about Laguna Seca. Going through that downhill chicane feels great every time!
Hatzenbach?
You killed me with that "Monza brings simmers together" line Chris, lovely content =)
For me, it has to be my least favourite turn in Motorsport - Oschersleben, turn one.
In the immortal words of John "I'm going for first says" Cleland - "The guy who designed that first corner should be taken into a dark room and beat about the head".
lol, exactly 😂don't know whether I met worse turn in my life. For the first time, I spun or went off in every car I tried
you mean the slow GP version? the moto version is actually fun in a GT
I must be weird, I quite like it... well... the second part of it I guess... :D
That John Cleland quote can also be applied to Hanoi on F1 2020. The last corner and first sector. That section and chemical weapons. Both are crimes against humanity.
7:45 "... slow and awkward nature of - well every chicane ever..."
*Enna Pergusa wants to know your location *
Don't even 😂😂😂
Tbh. They have done the best they can considering there is a hill on the left and lake on the right
@@ignaciosagastibeltza5892 it’s a very fun track yea. Plus it gave my team P2 at Coppa Florio so that's also great! 😜
@@ignaciosagastibeltza5892 and they are not boring at all, due to the tire barriers!😂
*Old Hockenheim would like to know your location*
Don't get why everyone's hatin' on the first Zolder chicane. I love it, because when you perfectly thread your car between those two curbs it feels amazing.
Or when you're driving the battle barge and send it off the first curb and get that angle just right out of the second
@@Majin_Fuu that chicane is hilarious when you drive a normal road car instead of a gt3 or similar. You can just full send it over the first curb 😂
sochi turn 2. It just doesn't work and It's so half-arsed. The track limits are a nightmare because the racing line has you go off the track. And you simply can't fit 2 cars through it so you can't overtake through it. And finally The way the barriers are designed means cars get reflected back onto the following turn. The one incredible thing about Sochi though is it has the ability to drive me bored to tears after about 5 laps. No other circuit manages that for me. Not even Abu Dhabi...
Sochi is indeed a crime against humanity.
That castle section chicane thingy at Baku street circuit is fairly disgusting too.
Yeah, I think that just about scraped into the top 10 on the twitter thread. It's awkard as hell, but gets bonus points for looking dramatic on TV ;)
The entire circuit is a devils thing
The entire circuit is a devils thing
It’s pretty bad, but IMO it’s not bad enough to be in a Top 10 list
Nahhh all of Baku is awesome.
Master the corners, learn them, even if they're stinkers... Nothing is perfect and well, some love these tricky corners... I love Zolder for example, it's an art to take those chicanes, it is very technical.
The arena section at Nurburgring is where I always lose time.
The entire 3rd sector of Fuji is where I lose my mind.
Oh man, I know.. That's the worst part of it. You can easily loose 1-2 seconds over there without even knowing
exactly why I dont drive in fuji
The last 3 corners there are god awful.
I think the last 3 corners are awesome.
*See's Zolder* So what you're saying is people responded with corner's they're bad at?
Are they frustrating? Yes, are they bad, no.
seems like that
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Well honestly monza and catalunya are pretty bad considering they replace a great previous section of the track
Disagree regarding Zolder, though the first chicane is a bit brutal, it sort of creates a staccato rhythm to the circuit, though I do agree all of Paul Ricard is awful, and that the Nurburgring Mercedes arena is simply there to make the lap longer and stop you having too much fun.
Also like Zolder quite a bit =)
I love the first Nurburgring part, so fun the hairpin with the drop and the long left where you need to prepare the right
Declan, yeah, somehow it's the last chicane that is my least liked in Zolder, or maybe only the entry of that chicane while the exit is quite satisfying if you hit it right.
Totally agree about Nurburgring Mercedes Arena. Only serves to extend the circuit. Very boring!
The Mercedes-Arena is great. It allows for different lines during overtakes and great racing!
It definitely provides good racing! Whenever I’m chasing someone I’m always winning time. But whenever I’m in front I loose time. Because of the different lines I guess.
@@Maurice-mk5cl Well said, I feel the same
Not gonna lie I really enjoy all the chicanes at zolder 😂
I actually love the Mercedes Arena section on the nürburgring and the chicanes on Zolder
The final turns / final sector at Fuji. I dont know how anyone desinged that and thought it was a good idea.
Before I'm going to watch this video I want to say that I personally absoultely hate T1 at Laguna Seca. There are a lot of bad corners around the world but this one is the worst.
Yes lol it feels slower every time
Bruh you really putting down one of my favorite corners in Motorsport lmao
Willow Sprigs Raceway, the whole track!
Whaaaaat? I love the long, flowing nature of that track!
It takes real attention to car setup and careful throttle control to take those long, sweeping turns correctly... And the weird, slow speed chicane type thing that goes steeply uphill and then sweeps down to the left on exit is REALLY hard to get right!
I love that track! I absolutely HATE Ascari, however. It's just needlessly making one low speed turn after another. It's like a dollar store version of the nurburgring that's a tenth of the size, and nowhere near as fun.
Some people would call it "technical"... I would call it "needlessly dreadful and soul-less" and would call those people who like Ascari "Volkswagen Beetle lovers"
No track that's over 3 miles long, yet has a top speed of under 150mph is of any use to anyone. Ever.
@@csonkaperdido I hate Ascari and I also absolutely despise Willow Springs
For me it’s either Turn 5 at Road America or the Arena at Silverstone. Both are annoyingly hard to get right and I swear I alternate between understeering off and oversteer on exit every time I go through them.
The Silverstone turn is somewhat decent in a GT car, though.
Whole sector 3 of the modern Fuji. It's a pain in the ass everytime I have to go through it, can never get the line right
For me it’s turn 6 at Laguna Seca. The left handed before the corkscrew.
The Village/Loop complex at Silverstone to me is also a prime example of slow, plodding and clunky.
It's pretty frustrating, but I don't think it should be considered one of the worst out there.
@@StevePhoenix Not in general, but personally I hate it with a passion.
I like it but when you consider, the abbey chicane, bridge and priory used to exist it doesn't hold up.
I don't agree with zolder alltogether, the 1st chicane is all about clipping 2 apexes perfectly and it it very, very punishing (nice jokes though 😉) the 2nd you can really attack with a nice sliding exit. The 3rd has another challenging exit. So I like zolder, but the rest of the video was way too relatable 😅 although I never drove PR luckily
i detest paul ricard. the track itself maybe it's not bad but that f**ing blue lines drive me nuts
For sure. It's a wonderful place to visit, but yeah, not so much with the driving ;)
@@ChrisHaye More I drive on Paul RIcard the more I like it - except that last *************** corner. I do like however, the subtle humor of yours about this week's elections (and more). Cheers for that!
It's also _French_ , which is another reason for scorn
That one corner in the Nurburgring where if you go wide you fly, but if you turn in early you spin out
Monza first chicane.
Sebring bumps are always annoying
Well, that second chicane in Zolder came to be after Gilles Villeneuve's, to prevent future fatalities. Makes sense.
Funnily enough, I love all of these corners lmao (except Monza T1 or Paul Ricard final corner, maybe)
I see some pretty bad stuttering at some points in the video. Does youtube cause this?
For example with the flying F1 mclaren and ferrari car scene @1:36 with the camera from above looking straight down.
Hi Chris
Hey Don.
@@ChrisHaye i have ascended
@@donlucio03 indeed
A lot of these horrible chicanes/sections of track have been designed in over the last 20/25 years or so. The older F1 games on PS1 had the better versions included in the track roster.
Nurburgring, Silverstone, Hockenheim, Spa, Monza, Barcelona.
The A-1 ring isn't a patch on the old Osterreichring. (Turn 2 at A1 ring is crap).
That Paul Ricard circuit is horrible.
Tilke circuits in general aren't particularly pleasant to drive around.
Of the newer circuits I do like the former F1 track in Turkey, though.
5:13
For me, it's one of the worst... HORRIBLE TO TAKE ! Not funny, difficult, multiple lignes you can take, can easily get offtrack if you go too deep in the corner,...
Where the hell did did a muscled Kestrel playing Time Crisis come from? 😂😂😂😂🤔🤔
Monza turn 1 because I can't seem to get the line/braking point right or spa last chicane because it feels really clunky and I always spin
Pretty much the whole third sector of the current Fuji Speedway would qualify, especially with the optional chicane/hairpin monstrosity that pretty much every series insists on running.
I find most often people make the corners bad rather than the corners being bad themselves...would everyone dread T1 at Monza if they were going through it on their own?
Absolutely agree with Mercedes Arena at Nurburgring, but my brain is also unable to process Surtees at Brands Hatch
“seizure-inducing stripes” ... the most apt description of this now-soulless circuit I have ever heard!
Come on, the Monza rettifilo chicane is pretty good once you figure it out, it's frantic and challenging to get it right. I tend to agree about Barcelona though. I like the Mercedes arena, it's tricky. Paul Ricard I agree, it's all a blur of a track. Zolder chicanes I like them all, they make Zolder such a "physical" track.
Rettifilo is an awesome corner, we just hate the people driving it while we're on track ;P
Red Bull RIng Turn 2... I either get on the power too early and miss the exit or I will do it too late and almost come to a stop.
I'm definitely not a fan of turn 4 at Interlagos.
By the way, keep the great videos coming, thanks!!
Ah, I love T4 - super short braking zone and then just throw it in and hope for the best :D
If one chikane I haven't figured out till today is the one at the end of the tunnel on Monaco.
Spain's final chicane Is so bad that it's not even on the track map at the chicane
You missed Macau on Raceroom. That 180 degree turn would be up there
what about Ochersleben that track is madness (bs)
But I like the Nurburgring Merc Arena complex, which is an odd one to be on the list 🤔
I am shocked the mini-carousel at the end of the Nordschleife didn't make the list. It really puts the "hell" in "green hell"
haha, this one gives me the most troubles on NS, I don't know why. it doesn't look difficult at all…
out of all of them only the Paul Ricard last turn creates the "oh no, it's you again" reaction for me. and Zolder is totally fine, although tricky
No way Chris as soon as you got onto catalunya my first thought was Rossi and Lorenzo showing us the way real racers race I love this! And when you get triples I'd love to try triples before I buy
definition of Chicane is literally: a small measurement to annoy someone
i think it does that quite well
zolder is also my favorite track
why ur videos are asmr
"They're probably about as representative as any other poll you've seen this week."
As an American, I can confirm that this is true. Damn you, Nevada.
Yeah, lets just change the title to driving around sochi
100% the second carousel at N-ring
I hated that until I mastered it... Then it's a gem... Turn in late and just use the last part of it.. It will spot you out without losing speed and you can make loads of time up. Slightly wrong it does upset the car.
"taints the previous corner with its creeping malicious odour" - epic line dude, pmsl :)
As a dude that loves Paul Ricard, I take great offense to the thumbnail preview.
All of these fit in my "Challenging but rewarding" category, bar the final turn at the Mercedes Arena, there is no nice line through there.
Also the 2nd part of Sentul (an Indonesian racetrack) should be in this list. Two almost identical chicanes, followed by a strange last corner (with two apex? I don't understand that corner lol)
The reason for the first chicane at zolder is to slow the cars down so that they don't go over the hill and flip upside down at 150+mph. But every other chicane in every other track needs to dissappear
The last corner/chicane in Zolder is awful 😂😂. I hate that part of the circuit
My least favourites:
Final chicane at Spa.
Final hairpin at Longbeach.
The GP hairpin/section at Donington.
All the corners at Texas speedway roval.
T1 at the Nurburgring
This list is spot on.
All the tracks included is the very single reason why I have a very low rating overall in ACC, except for SA rating.
(yes, because 80 % of multiplayer races in ACC uses all the tracks listed in this video, 20% is for Spa)
(yes, I went off the limits EVERY SINGLE TIME on these corners)
90% of Red Bull Ring!.........It's like someone realised if they kept going as they were it would just be a "square" of 4 right turns, so they threw a wiggly bit in the middle, just to get some lefts in.......and then went straight back to the 90' rights..........It's fecking awful!
For me it is basically the entire Circuit de Monaco, but the Grand Hotel Hairpin in particular takes the cake, followed by (in no particular order) Portier, Nouvelle chicane and La Rascasse.
That track is just painstakingly slow most of the way around.
Who the heck thought that a track where qualifying, pit strategy and whoever DNF determines the finishing order, was a good idea for an F1 race???
Watching the grass in my lawn grow is more fun than watching a race at Monaco!
Remember the 1996 F1 Grand Prix? Everyone who crossed the checkered flag got a step on the podium...
LOVE this video Chris, love your humour and awesome writing skills - can't disagree with any of these TBH! Although I'm weird because I kinda enjoy Paul Ricard overall, it's not easy but perhaps it suits my driving style. Actually, I'd add Imola Variante Alta (Turn 14) - it has far more charm than many other chicanes you mentioned, but it's still an utter **** when you clout the kerbs the wrong way in the wrong sim :D Cheers Chris!
The final sector at Fuji is mind numbingly annoying.
It's like someone thought "ok - we have a high speed track with a super long straight and great flowing corners - how can we fuck this up and troll everyone? Aha! Endless slow speed blind corners! YES! Great job, Toyokawasuzudatsunissan-son! Great job!"
Personally quite enjoyed the mini Backstreet Boys rant.
Little well known but...
Richard Burns Rally
Last corner Hualapai Nation.
a DISGUSTANG medium right which tightens to something the isn't medium or kay but somewhere in between with a stupid Armco on the outside right as you were about to get the World Record. A truly awful corner that needs to be experienced first hand.
So the 1000nd like is from me then. :-)
What about the final corner @ Knutstorp (SWE) which you can enjoy in Raceroom - and it's not a chicane.
Or - talking about chicanes: One of the god of mayhem's all time favourite must be the first chicane at the otherwise beautiful Salzburgring.
Closing with one that might surprise you. Laguna Seca corkscrew. One corner that is praised so often...but I dunno for what. A pain to drive in every car. I really don't know what they drank before constructing that.
So if you ever might do an episode II of this...have a go at my proposals ;-)
Hairpin at Hockenheim GP
(prepare to get rear-ended in the braking zone and then spin out while trying to accelerate out of it)
Bus stop at Spa
(so out of place for the rest of the circuit)
T1 at Oschersleben
(complete mess with any number of cars trying to go through at once)
Chicane at Estoril
(the elevation change will dash your hopes of making a quick getaway)
Hairpin at Macau (hope you got your handbrake mapped)
I recently did the Paul Ricard F2 round in my F1 2020 career (yes its not really a sim but its close enough and I'm having fun) and I'm shocked how much fun I had: I've never liked Paul Ricard in anything else but I found racing there really fun for some reason. Dunno if it got me while I was in a good mood or something but while the first sector stinks and the last turn isn't great I genuinely had fun for the rest of the lap. Since its a Codemasters track its probably not very accurate but, hey, that might be an improvement in this case.
I'd agree with everything else though: you could probably group the Festival Turns at Portland with the Monza Chicane since its basically the same corner and all of the same things happen; I dislike Catalunya with a passion but the Chicane is by far the worst bit; the Nurburgring GP circuit is actually good if you skip the Arena and while I enjoy racing at Zolder sometimes its not a track I ever chose to drive outside of races.
I'd have to say the FIRST hairpin at Nurburgring. The "revised" chicane at Monza bit me hard when I first tried it, after YEARS of no chicane with Superbike, and Superbike 2001.
This is actually a very well-put-together list!! These are indeed the worst things to drive - especially considering what they replaced (high-speed Curva Grande, Barcelona penultimate turn, original left-hander in Zolder). And yes, the new Busstop would have been the icing on the cake...
Yes you are right that the chicane in Monza is shit but it has its purpose irl. when you would go down that straight with 350kph then i wanna see you how you would deal with a sudden suspention failure at Curva Grande. its there to keep the speed down and even tho it´s not the best solution to that problem we have to deal with it in sim racing as sad as it sounds. the 1980s layout with that double chicane would be better since its not that high of an angle the corner goes. currently the chicane has a 90° right but the 1980s layout is more like a 170° right kink with an 45-60°left and so on. look it up if you want to know more
Chris and the corkscrew at laguna seca? i really hate it
A few people mentioned it - but I think it's a bit of a love/hate thing for most :)
I think it's a BLAST!!!
It definetly is on the very top of my list... So much so that I don't race the track at all if it comes up on iracing
Chicanes are fun. What's missing is the elevation change from the chicanes. In my area of Canada, the chicanes we have, they have huge elevation change and so, the suspension compresses at apex of the part A of the corner, and then the apex of the part B is at the crest, so the car almost goes airborne. A great example of this is the chicanes at the fictional RaceRoom Circuit from the RaceRoom game. They're almost full-throttle in some cars, and slow the truly fast, truly dangerous cars only. WTCR cars are full-throttle. A crash in a TCR car is almost always survivable at racing speeds. LMP1 cars are not full-throttle there. You will need to brake. If the purpose of the chicane is to slow speeds down so that the crashes aren't fatal 350 km/h crashes, then the chicane must be built accordingly. Make the chicane slow down the high horsepower rockets, without making every corner be 40 km/h.
Then, follow it up with a hairpin, so that passes can still happen... Repeat. You've got yourself a race track.
And in addition to the bunching up, these repeated slow corners spread the field out in the grand scheme, because on acceleration out, the cars jump apart again. And this doesn't help the racing, especially when you have to repeatedly give up lap time, using up tires and possibly other parts of the car in the process, in order to attempt to avoid a collision.
Watch an F1 race at Monza from before 1972, and see how close the field can stay together. And in those wingless cars, the old Curva Grande and Lesmos are no joke.
Admittedly, they made Pont at Paul Ricard tighter in 2002, but it really is an unfortunate thing. Signe, Verrerie, and the whole Double Droite-to-Tour section aren't bad, certainly not in their unmolested forms. That last section, before Pont, is such a rarity anymore, a flowing set of corners all running into each other, requiring a driver to compromise.
Yeah, Zolder just seems painful sometimes. If it was just the 1st one to prevent taeoffs over the crest, that would be one thing, but it's gotten ridiculous. I think they could have figured things out better for the 2nd one, and since they've moved back Turn 1 to add run-off, do they need the 3rd one even at this point?
The Catalunya thing holds for a number of others. The Castrol S at the Nurburgring was so much nicer than the Arena, and the straighter approach made it better for overtaking. In addition to that chicane, they'd already messed around with La Caixa at Catalunya a few years earlier. The circuit wasn't anything ultra spectacular (not helped by being used for testing all the time), but it was at least tolerable and had a reasonable flow.
My most hated circuit out of all of these is Fuji Speedway, which also is my favourite real life circuit, just not after the revamp.
The 70s version was GREAT!, even in Gran Turismo, but the rFactor with the bank was great fun to drive, 80s were good too, and so was the 90s...
Then the massive revamp and now the entire circuit just looks like somebody stuffed the nose and mouth of straights and corners and then sneezed on a board, and then somebody had to try and connect the mess they made.
In short, I avoid that track as much as possible.
You need more group C and 90s dtm cars I’ve got almost a full grid of 1989 group C cars with the exception of the Peugeot and they are all pretty good quality. As for the dtm cars I’ve got a whole field of 91-92 cars they’re not the best but they make racing so much better
Mercedes Arena with DRM Revival cars ... less boring, but agree with the second corner.
Only circuit I really dislike is Paul Ricard, not only the layout, but of course the runoffs.
Great video Chris. Appreciate the sacrifice! For what it's worth, Acque Minerali at Imola resembles a scrap yard in the original AC public servers (and no doubt ACC too now!) The corkscrew is a pain in sim racing and the corners before and after it result in a four-corner sequence just waiting to destroy your lap times. And your tyres.
Paul Ricard is like driving a circuit backwards. Zolder is bad on paper, but it's a decent 'rhythm' track. Spa should be on the list, too; a series of un-inspired 90° turns that conclude with....a chicane.
I honestly don't get the hate for either Paul Ricard or the Mercedes arena, because they're both extra challenging and can make for some cool side by side action as long as your car isn't 2m x 5m and dirty hell air *cough* F1 *cough*. However one corner that I hate that I'm surprised isn't on the list is the nurburgring F1 chicane. It's so clunky and boring and narrow, and it breaks the amazing flow that the circuit has with the GT chicane
I haven't seen anyone mention my greatest doom: Corner 13 at *Singapore GP.* Right after Anderson Bridge.
It's the blindest of corners and follow right after a very narrow but full throttle turn in the other direction. This makes it very hard to brake in a straight line. There is also no runoff should you brake too late.
Anyone else?
To continue the rightly deserved chicane hatred I despise the awkwardness of Variante Alta at Imola, especially after the majesty of Acque Minerale... and to think it's coming to ACC this month, god help us.
The worst corner of them all is double droit de beausset. That’s the reason i never race at Paul Ricard. The good thing bout the ACC version is that you dont have the chicane in the middle of the straight.
Yeah, Beausset is my bête noire, but I went with popular consensus.
Are you kidding, Beausset is great! It's a very difficult, unique corner, banked a bit towards the end, quite high-speed on entry, flows well with Signes, etc. // The Mistral Chicane, well, THAT deserves a place here, yes!!
I agree. Zolder with GT4 cars is not the worst but final two corners at Paul Ricard... OMG. 169 circuit configurations of Paul Ricard but not one of them can is without those two... I hate it. I hate it the most, more then Monza, Zolder,... or any corner/track mentioned in the video.
@@Atticvs32 can't agree more! the whole circuit feels awkward to me, but this tricky double righthander is probably the only turn that consistently feels satisfying when done right. at least in the car that I used there (LMP1)
@@vsm1456 Ah, it's the same in everything else, I found - I've driven F1 and GTs there in sims - never LMP1s though - are they flat through Signes? Having to do just a dab of brakes in a GT is very satisfying with the trailbraking to follow through Beausset.
Variante Alta is the worst corner ever!!! Drive around the curbs and you are slow. Drive over them and the car catches air. TWICE!!! Who ever thought an F1 track needs an off road section? The racing world needs Variante Alta like humans need a second anus
In the minority here bc I'm actually a fan of chicanes 😅 really can't think of a corner I'm just sick of, but as far as disliked tracks go, I'd pick....Brno
I pressed Thumps up the moment i saw the iconic photo of Rossi passing Lorenzo in Barcelona 2009!
Overal, great video, i can't wait for the best corners in sim racing now.
Worst has to be the great "nothing" that replaced Bridge @ Silverstone. Followed by almost all of Misano, Baku sector 1 is up there as well and - I hate to say this - Arie Luyendijkbocht - I love the old one, the banking kills that corner...
2:20 Hold your damn brakes you spinning piece of ....!!!
That's what pisses me off the most about people. Get crashed, hold the brakes, dont let the car roll onto another one!
I think the majority as also me choose Monz corner 1 and 2. The corner isnt so bad at al but its popular image as the legendary monza circuit. Monza is on the multiplayer like a noob magnet on the sim racing games. And ther is not from nothing the saying ... "Monza never changes" XD
the corners I find quite hard are corners from sector 3 in Sochi: weird braking after the long back straight, hard to accelerate well out of turn 15 and apex at turn 16 just sends your car very wide. Ofc whole circuit is bad, but this section is worst
Although T1 at Monza is not "2 90-degree turns back to back" (the second turn is more than 90 ;) ) I agree with pretty much the whole list!
Maybe you should've made a seperate video just for the worst chicanes :D
Honestly I was expecting Oschersleben on this list, that track has insanely stupid corners
wow even the map on the gravel by the chicane at catalunya shows the track map without the chicane. it exudes a smug, mocking aura. "this is what you could be doing, but instead you have to crawl through my narrow back passage" says the track, "enjoy it, fucker"