Its amazing how there are no truce timers for releasing subjects and you can peace out straight away. Let me guess these features that are already in EU4 will be patched in later...
I was gonna comment about how in less than a year this guide will be worthless because not only will truce timers be given to release subjects BUT they will also most likely tweak Maurya's willingness to peace out, and a whole host of other mechanics that will make this guide obsolete. I love Radio Res' videos, but this should be called "First Patch Exploit for Seleucid Empire" Give it a year and a half and this game will be near unrecognizable to how it is on release. I have complete faith in paradox making this game amazing over time... just kinda wish they gave a shit about how they released games at launch
It's my first time playing as the Seleucid Empire whilst simultaneously watching the guide and they immediately offered me a truce after refusing them land
They need to rebalanced The Eastern Satrapies so that negotiating is the better option. If you go with the first option it would give increased relationship and trading income bonus with Mauryans. If you refuse I think there needs to be far more increase unrest and cause the neighboring kingdoms to start fabricating claims and attack on your territories to take advantage of the Seleucid-Mauryan war..
Even if it is another Diadochi, I would like to see Egypt next. I took it in my first playthrough, because I wanted to play until I get Cleopatra as a ruler and than conquer Rome and marry their Consul (hopefully some guy named Gaius). But for the first couple of decades I had HUGE manpower problems, because nearly every tile I conquered was dessert and the attrition is really high compared to eu4 or hoi4. PS: Nice video, I will try this strategy after my Rome world conquest.
My advice for combating attrition is to keep your own armies in high supply weight territory and hire mercs for the rest, when i was macedon and conquered northern italy, all i did was just to station my forces at the edges of their territory and bought all the mercs in italy and sent them in to their low civ territory, i could then follow up with small stacks of 1/2 k men to siege down single provinces that the merc stacks didn't do and at the end i came out with more manpower than i lost. Besides, what else do you even spend your money on. just buy tons of mercs, don't fill your country with armies that actually take your own manpower. Besides, loosing mercs is actually good because otherwise you might actually have to pay to disband them. So make sure to loose as many merc armies as you can to the enemy before the end of the war and mop up with your own forces only if you have to.
You can actually win the fight. AI is pretty dumb. Before unpausing the game recruit on north-east heavy infantry and cav the first thing you will face is a 24 stack of light cav, send your armies in that direction too. Start building the forts on the low-supply cities at the border. At south recruit camels and start conquering the desert with stacks of 2 camels. Now you have two options, the first one is to hold north-east in the killing zone made by your forts and the mountains waiting for the enemies to be killed by attrition and arriving for the final blow. Meanwhile the camels south working with the fleet will make some distruption and keep the enemies in the desert. If you keep this long enough they will force white peace. The second option is to make a lot of light cav, grouping by 2 and just send them conquering from north-east after you defeat the first 24 light horse stack. You will have sometime before other troups show up. use the heavy infantry working with the cav, send a couple cav couples deep inside enemy land because cav is fast and you'll be able to conquer some region capitals before enemy cav shows up(cav that kill those raiding parties in too busy to kill your main force). Doing something similar to this second way I arrived to the wargoal and started taking the region. My initial plan was much worse than this version so I failed because i sieged with light infantry that was much slower and did not send out the raiding parties so they had time to build armies. I'm sure that if I used light cav to siege I would have taken the whole region and won the war
Also when you carpet siege in a region you control which isnt your capital you can assign the unit to the region and get "infinite generals" (or the same general on multiple independent cohorts), you need a general to cap pops I think, haven't enslaved without one.
Phrygia next, please? It's a state in such a unique geographical start, being next to all the other Successor states and seems extremely difficult to manage at the start and its unique situation of needing Korinth from Macedon before Antigonus dies which basically means an early war against every Successor so I'd love to hear how to best manage that.
There seems to be a glitch. Whenever I expand to Atropatene, my manpower gets reduced to 20k for no reason, and it's like I lost almost all of my pops.
@@helicongremory8480 I suppose I never did bother to look at the happiness. I would expand to Phrygia but all their vassals are annoying, thought it would be a better strat to wait until they explode
Great guide, thank you. Just curious if you (or anyone) got anything out of that Epic Writer event. I've paid him every time twice (Rome and Egypt) and gotten nothing from him.
UnknownVoid0 Yeah, it happened to me as well. I spent roughly like 400 gold on him and just lost popularity for my ruler as he just left me (this was as Egypt)
@@RadioRes ah that's a pity - there's a Hoi4/Ck2 RUclipsr named TommyKay who manages to use stuff like this (when playing a Dane etc) it helps the ambiance ruclips.net/video/Fm5u7EIrfDI/видео.html
One more example how broken the game is. Things like truce timers after releasing a nation exist in eu4 for years.. really don't know how they could rls such an unfinished game. Another great balancing example would be the mercs, they cost a bunch of extra maintenance, most of them are only available in 20-30-40 stack size, but most cities have a supply limit of below 20, you can't split them in smaller stacks, therefore most of them die to attrition and they only replenish with i don't know, 500 men a month, because you are loosing most of them to attrition and/or scorched earth again. Besides all the lag if a ruler dies, after a month change, or before some events pop up. I really want to know who or how tests the games that such balance issues don't seem to be an issue before release. Nethertheless nice video as always, continue the good work, but i am really a little bit disappointed that all of the preview yt guys don't point all the bad things of the game out :x
@@rickbergolla4055 Late reply, but I think I actually got lucky on my first run which got corrupted by loading it without knowing there was a patch, lol. Anyway I tried again briefly and it was way harder and they actually send huge stacks against me this time. The first time they also had a war for some reason with some other Indians, I think that made me able to steamroll him since the AI doesn't focus one front, but will try again today! ;)
Okay so cheesy, very slow (real time, fast in game though, beat them in 3 years and took for 93 warscore) and micro intensive..I even got declared on by Phrygia mid-war with Maurya and beat them both. But I force marched the armies I had, detaching the light cav, and building around 18 more and 30 horse archers for a total of 30 light cav, 30 horse archers, then split them in to 6 stacks of 10, and then just carped sieged with around 40 of them, and 2 of the 10 stacks went around with a high skilled general and destroyed smaller stacks and newly recruited units. The AI chases around your siege stacks (I like to siege a province with 2 cav, so they still siege after attrition ticks), but since you're sieging with cav you can easily force march away and they just run around taking attrition with their big 20-40 stacks. All none-cav units I had I send to the northern border where they send in a few stacks early, so they defend that before going on the offensive once every none-cav unit arrives after a while. This only really works cause Maurya has exactly 1 fort, their capital! :D My advice after that war is only take enough provinces so you can do the indo-greek kingdom thing and then click it for -10% foreign culture unhappiness, but even then AE for Seleucids is horrible.. the AE made me go from 140k max manpower to 30k cause everyone is unhappy, lol! Maybe even continue the war for a while to absolutely wreck Maurya, but I couldn't since I needed my armies in the west against Phrygia.
@@LlameStarcraft i mean if you can't take any more land from them forcing them to release nations could also weaken them seeing as they are your only major threat next to the other greeks
Is it very necessary to make Bactria a tributary again? Why not just head West instantly making the most of all those automatic claims while you have them. Then can return to Bactria later.
Hey radio res, I’m having problems with this game and I’ve tried it on two different computers. One will launch the game but crash when I press “new game” and the other is having a glitch where it won’t run any paradox games. Your smart, and could you help me?
The Satrapy status sucks balls currently. It take 300+ years to actually assimilate Bactria. I'd add on this, in your initial peace deal, you need to release all 4 of the countries who are currently Tributaries or Sat(c)rapies. And then just conquer the little shits. It beats canceling the Tributaries on your own and having to slowly integrate the Sat(c)rapies. Bactria will NEVER get assimilated.
Winning over Maurya is so easy, a boat and invade while luring his troops to your border, my first game with Seleucids (I've only played a few games for around 40-50 years) I schooled Maurya and Phrygia at the same time, had to spend all my civic mana on moving slaves to wheat cities in the capital province cus I had almost 300 slaves in the capital.
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Its amazing how there are no truce timers for releasing subjects and you can peace out straight away.
Let me guess these features that are already in EU4 will be patched in later...
Lewis Carlin patched= 20$ dlc
I was gonna comment about how in less than a year this guide will be worthless because not only will truce timers be given to release subjects BUT they will also most likely tweak Maurya's willingness to peace out, and a whole host of other mechanics that will make this guide obsolete. I love Radio Res' videos, but this should be called "First Patch Exploit for Seleucid Empire"
Give it a year and a half and this game will be near unrecognizable to how it is on release. I have complete faith in paradox making this game amazing over time... just kinda wish they gave a shit about how they released games at launch
That's remind me "surrender of maine event" in eu4
Maurya : "Get the hell out of here, will you get the hell out of here if i gave you 500 elephants ?
Seleucids : Ok thanks, bye"
@@Xfiles781 Time to conquer all of India
@@Lukekho Uhh *Most of* India
No one conquers the Tamil kings
Yup, this is basically the equivalent of releasing Normandy as a vassal.
It's my first time playing as the Seleucid Empire whilst simultaneously watching the guide and they immediately offered me a truce after refusing them land
Same happend to me.
So, basically you got an event that gave you a white peace?
@@S1Nicator Not quite, I can't remember the exact wording for the event but a war was never declared
@@NoahVickers same, basically just do this with no AE, pretty sexy
They need to rebalanced The Eastern Satrapies so that negotiating is the better option. If you go with the first option it would give increased relationship and trading income bonus with Mauryans.
If you refuse I think there needs to be far more increase unrest and cause the neighboring kingdoms to start fabricating claims and attack on your territories to take advantage of the Seleucid-Mauryan war..
Even if it is another Diadochi, I would like to see Egypt next. I took it in my first playthrough, because I wanted to play until I get Cleopatra as a ruler and than conquer Rome and marry their Consul (hopefully some guy named Gaius). But for the first couple of decades I had HUGE manpower problems, because nearly every tile I conquered was dessert and the attrition is really high compared to eu4 or hoi4.
PS: Nice video, I will try this strategy after my Rome world conquest.
Carthage attrition is pretty painful too
My advice for combating attrition is to keep your own armies in high supply weight territory and hire mercs for the rest, when i was macedon and conquered northern italy, all i did was just to station my forces at the edges of their territory and bought all the mercs in italy and sent them in to their low civ territory, i could then follow up with small stacks of 1/2 k men to siege down single provinces that the merc stacks didn't do and at the end i came out with more manpower than i lost. Besides, what else do you even spend your money on. just buy tons of mercs, don't fill your country with armies that actually take your own manpower. Besides, loosing mercs is actually good because otherwise you might actually have to pay to disband them. So make sure to loose as many merc armies as you can to the enemy before the end of the war and mop up with your own forces only if you have to.
Egypt is definitely on my list!
You can actually win the fight. AI is pretty dumb.
Before unpausing the game recruit on north-east heavy infantry and cav the first thing you will face is a 24 stack of light cav, send your armies in that direction too.
Start building the forts on the low-supply cities at the border.
At south recruit camels and start conquering the desert with stacks of 2 camels.
Now you have two options, the first one is to hold north-east in the killing zone made by your forts and the mountains waiting for the enemies to be killed by attrition and arriving for the final blow. Meanwhile the camels south working with the fleet will make some distruption and keep the enemies in the desert. If you keep this long enough they will force white peace.
The second option is to make a lot of light cav, grouping by 2 and just send them conquering from north-east after you defeat the first 24 light horse stack. You will have sometime before other troups show up. use the heavy infantry working with the cav, send a couple cav couples deep inside enemy land because cav is fast and you'll be able to conquer some region capitals before enemy cav shows up(cav that kill those raiding parties in too busy to kill your main force). Doing something similar to this second way I arrived to the wargoal and started taking the region. My initial plan was much worse than this version so I failed because i sieged with light infantry that was much slower and did not send out the raiding parties so they had time to build armies.
I'm sure that if I used light cav to siege I would have taken the whole region and won the war
Nice to see you making some Imperator guides. I'll never complain about you branching out from EU4. Great content as always.
Thanks Templar! Nice to see you again :)
Solid video as usual! Byzantion next please :)
Byzantion is going to be fun to play! Will definitely give it a try
Yeah i need help defeating the Ottomans....wait wrong game
@@paxromana1841 not that wrong just switch to "phrygia"
@@14thbattlegroupcommander Phrygia though is Greek.
But I can see your point.Just call Hungary and Poland.
Can you make a guide on all of the successor states of Alexander?
I'll definitely do some of them!
Awesome vid! Happy to have found you. Hope to see more :)
Strange, the one time i've played as Seleucids i'm pretty sure Maurya rejected the peace offer at the start.
Good lord Imperator Rome is so broken lmao
Also when you carpet siege in a region you control which isnt your capital you can assign the unit to the region and get "infinite generals" (or the same general on multiple independent cohorts), you need a general to cap pops I think, haven't enslaved without one.
That's an interesting bug!
Great guide! Keep up the good work!
After MEIOU&Taxes I feel every vanilla has depth of mobile clicker games. Does the IR have some more depth than a typocal vanilla?
No, to be honest not. Not yet at least
@@Ih8myM8s Thanks!
Try Victoria 2 (it has some pretty complex mechanics), there's also Ck2 but it is different, a bit more RPG like.
It probably doesn't even run much faster than MEIOU either
@@alexandresilveira6905 Thanks! I've been with Paradox since EU2 ☺
Phrygia next, please? It's a state in such a unique geographical start, being next to all the other Successor states and seems extremely difficult to manage at the start and its unique situation of needing Korinth from Macedon before Antigonus dies which basically means an early war against every Successor so I'd love to hear how to best manage that.
I will definitely take a look at them!
Bactria let’s play would be neat.
There seems to be a glitch. Whenever I expand to Atropatene, my manpower gets reduced to 20k for no reason, and it's like I lost almost all of my pops.
Nope. It's because aggressive expansion is reducing the happiness of all these non-greek pops. And so they don't want to fight for you anymore.
And you shouldn't take Atropatène. With the Seleucids, you have claims on Phrygia, which is great because it's half agressive expansion.
@@helicongremory8480 I suppose I never did bother to look at the happiness. I would expand to Phrygia but all their vassals are annoying, thought it would be a better strat to wait until they explode
Basically, with the Seleucids, you need to put every governors to cultural assimilation or you won't ever get any tech done.
@@helicongremory8480 That one's obvious. I just didn't know attacking other Persians affect local pop happiness because AE was amplified.
thx for the guide! Was really helpful!
hey , how are you ?
İ'm fine, how are you?
Im fine how are you
I'm fine,how are you?
Muhammed Nuri SEVGİLİ good
Orest Paja good
Is it just me or is the maurya AI really focused on Persia? Haven't seen them fight any Indian nation at all
Its just you
Its because they cant conquer the tamil kingdoms, because *NO ONE CONQUERS THE TAMIL KINGS*
that music... imperator rome, the road movie
Great guide, thank you. Just curious if you (or anyone) got anything out of that Epic Writer event. I've paid him every time twice (Rome and Egypt) and gotten nothing from him.
Is it a bug?
UnknownVoid0 Yeah, it happened to me as well. I spent roughly like 400 gold on him and just lost popularity for my ruler as he just left me (this was as Egypt)
UnknownVoid0 I’ve gotten 20 popularity I think? Not worth going through with the chain esp if it has a chance to go negative
Rome guide when? :D
Make a Megalopolis opening move
Check the unrest locations in the event, They re in Maurya territoy not Seleucid.
Is this strategy still viable on Marius 2.0.1?
Some upbeat traditional Greek/Persian or Indian music would've been much better.
Yeah. Unfortunately, licensing issues means there's a very small pool of music to choose from.
@@RadioRes ah that's a pity - there's a Hoi4/Ck2 RUclipsr named TommyKay who manages to use stuff like this (when playing a Dane etc) it helps the ambiance ruclips.net/video/Fm5u7EIrfDI/видео.html
Just put Titans by Vangelis
After beating Bactria, my max manpower went from 137k to 30k... wtf
One more example how broken the game is. Things like truce timers after releasing a nation exist in eu4 for years.. really don't know how they could rls such an unfinished game. Another great balancing example would be the mercs, they cost a bunch of extra maintenance, most of them are only available in 20-30-40 stack size, but most cities have a supply limit of below 20, you can't split them in smaller stacks, therefore most of them die to attrition and they only replenish with i don't know, 500 men a month, because you are loosing most of them to attrition and/or scorched earth again. Besides all the lag if a ruler dies, after a month change, or before some events pop up. I really want to know who or how tests the games that such balance issues don't seem to be an issue before release. Nethertheless nice video as always, continue the good work, but i am really a little bit disappointed that all of the preview yt guys don't point all the bad things of the game out :x
TIP : if you refuse the offer, there is 5 % chance they offer a truce anyway. So you can always restart like crazy if you want to kill Phrygia.
I won the war with Mauyra pretty easily even on Very Hard and that's with my ruler just dying within like 2 years -_-
What was your strategy
@@rickbergolla4055 Late reply, but I think I actually got lucky on my first run which got corrupted by loading it without knowing there was a patch, lol. Anyway I tried again briefly and it was way harder and they actually send huge stacks against me this time. The first time they also had a war for some reason with some other Indians, I think that made me able to steamroll him since the AI doesn't focus one front, but will try again today! ;)
Okay so cheesy, very slow (real time, fast in game though, beat them in 3 years and took for 93 warscore) and micro intensive..I even got declared on by Phrygia mid-war with Maurya and beat them both. But I force marched the armies I had, detaching the light cav, and building around 18 more and 30 horse archers for a total of 30 light cav, 30 horse archers, then split them in to 6 stacks of 10, and then just carped sieged with around 40 of them, and 2 of the 10 stacks went around with a high skilled general and destroyed smaller stacks and newly recruited units. The AI chases around your siege stacks (I like to siege a province with 2 cav, so they still siege after attrition ticks), but since you're sieging with cav you can easily force march away and they just run around taking attrition with their big 20-40 stacks. All none-cav units I had I send to the northern border where they send in a few stacks early, so they defend that before going on the offensive once every none-cav unit arrives after a while. This only really works cause Maurya has exactly 1 fort, their capital! :D
My advice after that war is only take enough provinces so you can do the indo-greek kingdom thing and then click it for -10% foreign culture unhappiness, but even then AE for Seleucids is horrible.. the AE made me go from 140k max manpower to 30k cause everyone is unhappy, lol! Maybe even continue the war for a while to absolutely wreck Maurya, but I couldn't since I needed my armies in the west against Phrygia.
@@LlameStarcraft i mean if you can't take any more land from them forcing them to release nations could also weaken them seeing as they are your only major threat next to the other greeks
The music doesn't fit the vibe....Indian guy playing a game fighting India and then we get this "This Week in Baseball" music in the background...lol
Is it very necessary to make Bactria a tributary again? Why not just head West instantly making the most of all those automatic claims while you have them. Then can return to Bactria later.
But its a very easy war if you attack them right away and they have one thousand pops.
Hey radio res, I’m having problems with this game and I’ve tried it on two different computers. One will launch the game but crash when I press “new game” and the other is having a glitch where it won’t run any paradox games. Your smart, and could you help me?
Some users are having issues with game crashes. Hopefully it will get fixed soon. Nothing we can do but wait for devs to release a new patch.
This game looks so good, idk if I should buy it tho. is it easy for an Europa Universalis IV player to learn?
It's easy. But it's pretty unfinished tho
Yea its easy enough
Do one of those for Phrygia please !!!
definitely on my list!
Why not spend your AE on taking land from Antigonus?
Not to rush or to be rude but when are you goin do more guides for eu4 nations.
soon
The Satrapy status sucks balls currently. It take 300+ years to actually assimilate Bactria.
I'd add on this, in your initial peace deal, you need to release all 4 of the countries who are currently Tributaries or Sat(c)rapies. And then just conquer the little shits. It beats canceling the Tributaries on your own and having to slowly integrate the Sat(c)rapies. Bactria will NEVER get assimilated.
Wow, persia + mesopotamia is so rich compared to epirus
why gold trade good do not exist
It does exist, it's just called "Precious Metals" in this. They lumped gold and silver etc... into that trade good.
Can't you just turn zoroastrian yourself instead of converting all those pops to hellenic?
And become a heretic? :D
Feels like you cheesed the game mechanics though. The game doesn't feel finished to me if this side-step is even possible.
Thanks for this guide but the background music was a terrible pick.
Winning over Maurya is so easy, a boat and invade while luring his troops to your border, my first game with Seleucids (I've only played a few games for around 40-50 years) I schooled Maurya and Phrygia at the same time, had to spend all my civic mana on moving slaves to wheat cities in the capital province cus I had almost 300 slaves in the capital.
Great video... love the guides. I have to say though that the music in this video was AWFUL. pain to listen to
Not so much a opening strategy as a game exploit....
Judea strategy pls!
definitely on my list!
Wow, love seeing how full of cheap exloits this game is 😑
Nice video are u Indian btw??
seleucidian born and bred
@@RadioRes I am a bit confused. Are u persian or Indian???
How is this a "Strategy"? Seems more like cheesing mechanics to me...
you have never played a paradox game before obviously
The "strategy" *is* the cheese. :P
Dude, the playthrough is great but your music is so annoying
next time can u cut out the wars kinda like how you do with your eu4 vids. Its just kinda boring to watch
slicingscizor yeah, it just kind of feels like filler tbh
eu4 guides again...
soon
IM-PEAR-AH-TOR not EMPORATA Jesus H Christ
This game looks like ass
stop promoting this game