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@@nimaj53The Parsi community's migration to India traces back to the 8th century when they sought refuge from religious persecution in Iran during the Islamic invasion. Upon their arrival in India, they were graciously welcomed by the Hindu king of Gujarat. It's important to note that not all Zoroastrians who migrated to India from Iran are referred to as Parsis; rather, only those who settled in Gujarat are known by that term. Over the centuries, the Parsis have become renowned for their contributions to various sectors in India, including business, industry, arts, and philanthropy. Notable figures like Homi Jehangir Bhabha, the father of India's nuclear program, and the Tata family, owners of the Tata Group, have emerged from the Parsi community. Today, the Parsis are recognized as one of the wealthiest and most charitable communities in India, leaving a profound and lasting impact on the country's social, cultural, and economic landscape.
@@jithumapper7059 Stop talking about Zoroastrianism. You know nothing about it or Sasanian Iran. Zoroastrianism is extremely discriminatory, even if it's very pro Iran.
I have to say that a Zoroastrian Iran would have a MAJOR influence in the Muslim World for several reasons: 1. Persian culture and philosophy heavily influenced Islam. Without Iran, it's likely contact with India would be less, and hence, entire fields like mathematics would not have developed the way they did in our timeline. 2. Iran and Afghanistan were the basis for the Abbasid Dynasty, which later conquered the Ummayads in the 8th century and promoted the Golden Age of Islam. Without the Abbasids, the Ummayads might have survived, meaning the Arab World would be far less intellectually developed, a lot poorer, and far less relevant. Incursions into Europe will never happen due to Ummayad instability at the Byzantine's borders, and also due to massive revolts in North Africa and Iberia led by dissenting Muslim sects called the Kharijites, who HATED the Ummayads. In this timeline, and thanks to Kharijism, Iberia would remain Muslim since the areas under Kharijite rule (like Algeria) experienced mass conversions, which were discouraged by the Ummayads, who later ruled Iberia. 3. No Ummayad rule in Iberia would mean a more stable and more Muslim Kharijite south, as well as a stronger Christian North. I doupt, however, that either would conquer the other, instead remaining separate entities to this day and fighting over central Iberia. 4. With the Mongol conquest (if it happened at all since Gengis Khan invaded Iran due to a Khwaresmian provocation), the Muslims in the West would have also been anhiliated, with only Kharijite North Africa and Iberia surviving. 5. No Abbasids means no Turkic migration because there wouldn't have been a Battle of Talas. This means the Chinese and Buddhism would still be influential in Central Asia and among Turkic peoples. This also means that the Byzantines would survive since there would be no Turkic migration into Anatolia.
Kuro Azrem, that is a fine analysis, but like the original video there is are things not accounted for. Like - would the Byzantine Empire now be weaker or stronger? This has huge impacts on western societies too. And let's not forget butterfly effects an wildcards. Persian Zoroastrianism wouldn't have to remain untouched by time either. Different rulers and dynasties might emerge; Turkish-Zoroastrian or even further spread of Buddhism doesn't sound tofsfh
Byzantine can't survive you just found Ottoman empire with Buddhist or Zoroastrianism as Thier major religions And a Janissaries who came from Christian children and convert to Buddhist or Zoroastrianism same as out time
1- Persian philosophy didn't heavily influence Islam( Islam would still thrive) 2- the arab world would still be rich and intellectually developed ( no one depended on the Persians, and most science/literature was made in Bagdad or translated from Greek books) 3- Iran would be intellectually deprived of Islams/Arab discoveries and science therefore a poorer weaker country
the biggest problem of iran is the islamic extremist who now have power in iran remove the islam from power in iran and make it only a religion that have no saying in any low or way of people life and the iran became a great the country for living right now the islamic republic is sucking blood of people and i tell you no iranian like the regime that rule the country now
@@iamthedefeatable India will never become cow lindu 🐄🕉️ rashtra coming from Kerala man I can sure you that if your ppopjeet 💩 government want to do that here that will be the end of the 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳ia as a country there will be no India after that..!!!!
Lol how? Iranians under Islam established some of the greatest empires and civilizations in the world. The Persian language had a profound impact on the culture and language of the regions of central and South Asia and it could be found even today. Some of the greatest scholars and scientists in Islamic Iran include ibn sina, imam gazali, Omar khayyam , imam Bukhari etc. This is something which was unfound in pre Islamic Iran. You guys are so delusional. Your hatred for Islam makes you to make such ridiculous arguments. Iranians are and will remain proud Muslims.
Non-official polls in Iran show around 8% of Iranians are Zoroastrian now, and its growing. Alot of persian anti-islamic nationalists and anti-regime ppl are starting to convert to it as a kind of objection of the islamic regime.
Muslim mosques are designed based on Mazgats( Mazgat or Mazdagata that means the place of Ahuramazda), a specific fire temple with domes and burning fires under the dome, in many muslim mosques you still can find Minarah that basically means fireplace. Even the Mihrab that is a place that a muslim priest stands to pray and determines the direction of Qiblah is like Mehrab in fire temples that determines the direction of sun and Zoroastrian priests put the holy fire there and stand to pray beacuase in Zoroastrian religion the direction of praying should be toward light and Mehr in Persian means light. Some scholars says Ab was Hap or Ap that means honouring in Avestan so Mehrab means honouring the light but other scholars believe Ab here is changed from Av and Ave that means a room and a place built in the form of a dome and Mehrab means the place of praying toward Mehr and because after Islam new muslim Iranians used Iranian architecture to build their mosques, they built all mosques in the form of domes and they made the part of standing the priest a half-dome and called it Mihrab. You should read more about Iranian architecture and its influence on Islam to get a deeper understanding of it.
@@ramzan6949 As I said, there were specific kind of fire temples that mosques are based on them. Also it's important to know Sasanian and Parthian architecture so you can see the obvious similarity. Islamic architecture is nothing but the continuation of Parthian and Sassanid architecture. In many mosques, there are still pre-Islamic symbols even in the decorations of the mosque. Also, it is well recorded in the history of Iran that the Arab Muslims destroyed many fire temples in order to build a mosque on their ruins. After the Muslim Arabs encountered the four-arched fire temples, these buildings were transformed into modern mosques by the hands of Iranian architects. A very good example is the fire temple of Azar Goshnsap, where the element of the dome was well used in its structure. Also, after Islam, the first examples of post-Islamic architecture, in today's form, were made in Khorasan, Iran. Jame Mosque in Tabriz is another example of the transformation of the fire temple into a mosque.
@@ramzan6949You have confused the 1500-year-old fire in the Yazd fire temple with the fire temple itself. The oldest fire temples are located in today's Tajikistan, which are more than 5000 years old. After them, the fire temple of Nobahar in Balkh is placed. The most famous fire temples of Sassanid Iran are the fire temples of Azar Ghoshnsap, the fire temples of Azar Barzin Mehr and the fire temple of Azar Farnabagh, each of which had its own special function.
@@sarabkh79 Most persian became Muslim in the period of Abbasid chilaphate. Ummayad chilaph didn’t wanted to non Arab especially persian to become Muslim. I visited persepolis and various ancient historical sites of Iran but i find that there are major difference between pre Islamic Iranian Architecture is mostly different from post Islamic architecture. Most Iranian renowned mosque or Architecture were built in the period of Taimur lang rule. You have no idea that how Muslim prayer ceremony are performed, the leader of prayer stand in the front line alone and others behind the imam, this is created the idea of mehrab in mosque , mehrab is also an Arabic word. The idea of minarate come from Azan, when muazzen calling to prayer they used taller hill or infrastructure so that Muslims can heard prayer call or Azan. So in prophet time mosque had mehrab and minarte. So Mosque is not influenced by the Zarathustraian daneshgah or fire Temple, i have also seen how Zarathustraian perform their prayer. World earliest dome was first built in Babylonian civilization not persian civilization. Early Persian architecture and civilization were mostly influenced by Babylonian civilization such as idea of Garden when Cyrus occupied Babylon in Iraq.Arab people are also semetic they share common history and ancestry with all semetic people and civilization. So mosque Architecture was not come from Zarathustraian fire Temple.
@@ramzan6949 Well, these are the things that they tell you so that you don't feel bad that you are worshiping in a place that is essentially Zoroastrian. At the same time as the Umayyads, many Iranians became Muslims because they could not afford to pay heavy taxes on non-Muslims called jizya. Many Zoroastrians were forced to migrate to India to maintain their religion. The Arabs used to insult the Iranian muslims as Mawali, and they carried out large-scale massacres in many cities of Iran, and any uprising of the Iranian people was severely suppressed. Mihrab does not have a correct meaning in Arabic, because the name of the place in Arabic is based on maf'al, maf'il and maf'ala, and mif'āl, which is for naming tools, cannot be used for mihrab.Linguists have looked at the derivation of mihrab from harb with doubt and believe it to have a non-Arabic origin, and in Arabic texts, taking into account the appropriateness of usage, they have translated mihrab as palace, pavilion, and the highest place to sit. Ibn Battuta writes in his travelogue that the mosque at the time of the Prophet had four walls without a roof and they created columns with palm beams and covered its roof with palm skin. It was during the time of the third caliph Osman that the Mihrab was added for the first time and we know how the mazgats gradually turned into mosques from the time of Omar. Early mihrabs in mosques such as Damascus Mosque and Tulun Mosque have a clear impression of the Trinity of Mithra, and like Zoroastrian temples, they have a large altar in the middle and two altars on both sides. Even in mosques with one mihrab, this trinity is clearly visible in the upper part of the mihrab, like the prayer place of Omar in the Al-Aqsa Mosque. In the Quran, the word "altar" is repeated 4 times, but all 4 of them have nothing to do with Muslims and are related to Jews, who were very influenced by Iranians in their religion. The use of the mehrab in Iran is attributed to the time of the mythological king Jamshid, who was the manifestation of the god Mithra on earth, and the mehrab of Jamshid has been mentioned many times in Persian books. Also Persepolis is not the only historical building in Iran, and Iran has many historical buildings that are being destroyed due to the deliberate neglect of the Islamic Republic, such as many fire temples. The oldest remaining example of a dome from the ancient period in the world related to the Parthians is called Bazeh Hur, which dates back to more than 2000 years ago in Khorasan, Iran. In Iraq, which is considered the territory of Iran since before Islam, the use of the dome has non semetic roots, before the Babylonians, it was the Sumerians who used the dome in their buildings, and we know that the Sumerians were not Semites. Recent discoveries in the ancient site of Chaghamish Hill (6800-3000 BC), located in Dezful plain (ancient city) | Dezful, Iran, show the use of mud bricks and clay structures in the construction of the dome. The meaning of the word minara (place of fire) confirms its Zoroastrian origin. Still, in the ancient languages and dialects of Iran that are popular in smaller cities, people call the mosque, Mazgat. The mosques related to the beginning of Islam outside of Iranian territory in Hijaz, did not have the features of today's mosques and were simple rooms. The construction of the oldest example of a mosque after Islam in Iran is Fahraj Grand Mosque in Yazd, which dates back to the first half of the first century of the Hijri, but the main building was from the works of the Sassanid period (another fire temple turning into a mosque), which was built with the arrival of Islam and originally during the time of Omar. If you have seen the worship of Zoroastrians, then you should know how they pray five times a day and how their prayer time, which is based on the exact movements of the sun in the sky (the importance of light and the sun), is the same as the prayer time of Muslims, and each time has its own special name, which has a clear message for those who think. In the end you cannot claim other civilizations even if they are Semitic. This is like Jews claiming other Semitic civilizations for themselves or an Iranian claiming European civilizations. So ridiculous.
I mean the Persian imperial system survived the Muslim conquest and payed a huge role in continuing a Persian identity, I don’t see why not specially if Islam never came
@@satyamindnectar7052 islam is evil, so saying it is a 1000 times stronger makes no sense, are you trying to say that satan is great , since islam and satan are one and the same
@@amirhussein5966 Islam is integral part of Iran Islam took a new form in Islam Islam itself is not evil some firqa of Islam maybe evil but not Islam as a whole
Very interesting thought experiment. Though unfortunately the comment section like anything online surrounding Zoroastrianism tends to contain more people shitting on Islam than prople genuinely interested in discussing Zoroastrianism.
The whole "veil-up-the-women-completely" idea was introduced into Islam by Persian traditionalists pretty early, when Iran was converted. While modern zoroastrianism doesn't define itself over such garments, I do believe that ancient hardcore former-zoroastrian prudes had a certain impact on Islam that way.
@@jax1995 the "veil up the women idea" is _2000 years older_ than Islam, and was highly customary in Persia, right at the time of the islamic conquest too. In Muhammad's teachings (afaik) the veil only had a minor importance, but under Persian influence, it became way more important for islam. Cultures exchange ideas, and all.
i saw a doco where a guy visited a Zoroastrian temple in eastern Iran, where they have kept a sacred fire burning for 2000 years. That should count as one of the Wonders of the world.
Unesco wouldn't like that.they don't even want to write down scientist and poets who clearly identified as iranian in their works as iranian.and the islamic regime likes that and even cooperates with them.
5:15 without arab conquered, Persian would stopped turkic settlement in western central Asia, so western central Asia would be iranic and likely adopt Persian religion
The Islamic Republic in Iran doesn’t allow men and women born in a muslim family to freely choose their religion, and so many who wish to revert back to Zoroastrianism cannot do that.
Depending on if it was a theocracy again or not it could have arguably been worse, since it'd be the only Zoroastrian country it would discriminate towards more people, but if it was secular, it would have been more like the old Sassanid Empire government policy towards other religions, more specifically, Anushirvan's government.
Zoroastrianism with king Cyrus II was in fact the first form of democracy back in 530-540 BCE. In other words Zoroastrianism is not about ‘tolerance’ but the recognition and acceptance of all. Most likely it could have served as a model of justice globally.
A little correction to your information, after the fall of Iran, it was the Iranians who introduced Alphabets into Arabic. They even helped Arabic become a good enough language that it can be used in the court. Mind you that the Quran was written 60 years after the death of Muhammad and only after 200 years were the words given proper sounds such as ِ ،ُ ،َ etc.
IMO I think it would be interesting if the Arab caliphate would redirect it's focus from Iran and into Anatolia, so we get the Greeks absorbed into Islamic culture instead of the Persians and Islam is seen as more of a Western focused region. I'd also imagine there could be a larger Manichean influence in Iran, perhaps one of the Central Asian khanates that conquers them follows that religion and attempts to spread it there.
The water-loving cotton is native to India (as is the name) not the hyper dry deserts of Arabia, as was/is the weaving of cotton (and kenaf) fibers into those white fabrics they wear in India and Persia. You got this in reverse. Arabs used wool--camel wool usually. They got their cotton ideas from Persia (and India), as they did got their numerals (and paper making from China via Persian)
How expansionist is Zoroastrianism? Christianity and Islam generally tell followers to convert other nations which often served as a casus belli for invasions or colonization. If Zoroastrianism isn’t like that then it’s possible that we would have a Zoroastrian heartland in Iran with significant minorities in surrounding areas. A strong Persian Empire that isn’t Muslim might also check Arabization into Central Asia and India. It’s even possible without a good sea base the Muslim traders might not have been significantly powerful enough to spread it to Southeast Asia.
Depends on how the dynasty in controll decides the acheamid didn't force anyone same with parthians but sasanids try to spread the religion more than the others
If Avestan and Arabic text look that similar, and the former is much older, then it's clear which was the artistic source for the style, unless it's an epic coincidence which I doubt. That alone is very interesting and may change how people view the interactions between Arabs and Aryans. Yes, the Arabs conquered Iran, but the Aryans may have been who ultimately legitimized and solidified the Arab culture itself.
Avestan origin is Aramaic so still older than Persian and more related to Arabic, arab culture legitimized itself by itself with its various scientific discoveries and language unification
I feel like a Byzantine persian alliance would become more normal but by the mongol conquests, i can't say, although i think you're right without persia directly linking islam to the rest of central asia any proceeding caliphate would not be stong enough to completely defeat combined Persian Byzantine assaults (although i don't they would find much success either as egyt and indian trade would stil be alive and well) in the end i think this just means anatolia might remain more Greek Christian but with many turkish warlords and people who would both be Christian and Muslim and iran more persian with still some Islamic influence. But also i feel like Russian Orthodoxy might take the the place of islam in many parts of central Asia as there are records showing of Christian communities living in the area prior to islam existing but also zoroastrianism in there too
This was actually really good, way better than the other youtubers who do this. Still, i dont agree it would be china aligned, especially considering the fact the country as you predicted would be essentially an enemy of russia after unifying with its communist puppet. Russia might even have ambitions in iran because of that. Secondly, alignment with china and against the west mainly stemmed from the fact modern iran hates america and wants to destroy it, which probably wouldnt be the case with a Zoroastrian iran. in fact, i believe iran would be a lot more secular than it is today, as it was headed that direction thanks to the western aligned shahs which, as i said, would probably exist in this case as well.
Iran: a great civilisation, incl with its Zoroastrism. Until VII century when gulped down & digested by Islam. Iran cannot be great again under Islam. Fortunately, Iran preserves some of its former identity, and together with free & democratic modernity it could relevantly revive
What if Greece never became Christian and still worshiped old Religion. What if Romans never became Christian and worshiped its old gods snd suppressed Christianity to s point it became near extinct
Iran has given birth to two world faiths - Zoroastrianism, some three thousand years ago, and the Bahá'í Faith, in the 19th century. Ironically, the followers of both have been despised and persecuted in Iran itself. Although the Iran officially makes a show of honoring its Zoroastrian community, Zoroastrians have traditionally been treated as second-class citizens in Iran, with the result that large numbers opted to emigrate to India. Bahá'ís also bear some responsibility for the shrinking of the Iranian Zoroastrian community, as many converted to the Bahá'i Faith during the 19th century. It's fascinating to imagine what might happen were Iran's fundamentalist Islamic regime to relax it's grip and desist in its persecution of Bahá'ís, seeing as the Bahá'í Faith, which wholeheartedly recognizes the truth of Zoroaster's teachings while embrasing Iran's Islamic traditions, offers an attractive alternative to the fundamentalist Islam with which most Iranians seem totally disenchanted.
I think you underestimate the British interest in Iran, not for their own benefit, but because if Russia controlled the whole thing it would have a warm water port, which would massively affect the balance of power. I think you underestimate the degree to which muslim subjugation affected Zoroastrianism, and I believe that even if it wasn't wholly missionary, it would likely still have a significant missionary wing. This would shape relationships with Buddhism, where in the east you would probably have fewer buddhists than you suspect, and also large communities in Hindustan and Avaganistan. Where they do overlap you likely have higher levels of tension, with the exception that some regions may have something like a survival of Zurvanism which syncretises the two of them. As a result, they would have less in common with China than you suggest, especially since the Chinese don't identify with religion in the way that westerners do. Others have mentioned that the Zoroastrians are famously trustworthy and industrious, which might lead to a more prosperous and stable Iran. While these traits have ancient heritage, so that even Herodotus mentions their honesty, my guess is that they became particularly concentrated due to the pressures of trying to maintain an ethnoreligious community in the face of significant external pressures. Therefore I think that this Iran might well be better off, it would not be quite so well as others have suggested.
I think Zoroastrian would’ve probably had some Europe mentality like the crusaders and us vs them homogeneous culture. And many don’t know this but before the Arab conquest the Azeri were Persian speakers azer literally means fire in Zoroastrianism. The Arabs forced them into forgetting there true language so they would’ve forget there Persian language. And give them Turkic slave which was popular slave trade in Muslim world for mentality. If this conquest ever didn’t happen I do believe Iran would’ve been even expanded into the caucuses region. And with the crusades against Muslim and Buddhist they would grab some part of Iraq and forced them into Zoroastrianism just like Spain in Europe. And in 1700 because of Russian conquest of Central Asia there would been alliance formed between Zoroastrianism and Russians Which would’ve led into another manifest destiny for both of those nation and some sorta way a “indo-European alliance” Which would’ve saw the Buddhist as almost as like the natives in the America’s which would’ve forced them out of Central Asia. And we could’ve sawn this century Russia even expanding into east china and diminishing the Asian sphere of influence in Central Asia. And with Pakistan and Afghanistan and Tajikistan and some part of Uzbekistan and Azeris I do believe because of there culture similarities this regions would’ve been a majority Zoroastrian. But in this 1700 there would be probably wars between russia and the Zoroastrian which would eventually after centuries of war came out as stalemate. Because of high population of both sides and high technology which would’ve slow down both sides advancement. And because of how the Zoroastrian were ahead of there time they would’ve probably been the first in 2000s to have space federation. Which would later follow up with the European countries Muslims and Asians. To describe the Zoroastrian they would’ve probably been the Spanish of space. But with recent revival of Zoroastrian which is now spreading in Iran and the turning of Iran into full Persian. Country and spread of Zoroastrian in Tajikistan I think we’re gonna dramatically see Iran changing there script of language and religion which would start a major war in bid of Islam to keep them in there sphere.
Lmao people are commenting without even watching the video. Bro literally said iran would be poorer in our timeline and geniuses in the comments here saying it would be rich lmao
Nader Shah would have also been there conquering from India to Caucasus and Mesopotamia. he was not religious so likely the rule would be similar Achaemenids style satrapies . I believe this would hold well and Britain and Russia to come and conquer Iran. We Nader Shah efforts to establish a Navy and in fact, we see Nader establishing the strongest military of the world at that time. Nader Shah rifles were used up to 100 years later in Afghanistan to defeat the British. This cannot be ignored in your speculation of how Iran would look if it wasn’t taken over by Arab invaders.
Iran without Muslim wouldn't be either 100 % Zoorastrain If there would be no Islam in persia there would be Zoorastrainism, Christianity, and some new Persian Religion
this video furthur proved to me that iranian culture outweighted and influenced everything it came in touch with and probably the entire histroy and world and we know so little about them
In my opinion i think iran might have a future of becoming a Liberal society in the future considering when you look it up on Google it says that there are Christians, Jews and atheists living in the country
Seems like the first Muslim missionaries to Indonesia were Arab, but later Indian Muslims also spread Islam. So likely less Muslim but still some Muslim
Bad timing for Iran at the time of arab muslim invasion. After the death of Shahanshah Khosro Parviz, Iran had internal power crisis. In a short time many kings took power and dethroned. but it would eventually be solved as before if there wasn't that bad timing of arab invasion for Iran. There was a guy named Atila Hun (similar to Genghis Khan) at time of Sassanids (not bad timing one) and couldn't do anything. they changed their route to Europe and Rome and terrorized them. If Iran didn't defeat to arab muslims. Iran would regained it's stability and would pushed back arab muslims to the deserts of arabia. Iran would be one of the top countries in military, science, economy, ... as before. At the time of Pahlavi dynasty, Iran was on the path to be one of the top 3 countries in the world in economy, ... but western governers like carter had devil plans and cause the Dark 1979 islamic so--called revolution and .... But todays lots of Iranians are leaving islam because they know and feel in every day of their life that islam is the cause of these dark ages of Iran.
Islam basically wants you to become 7th century arabia. Iran is too great for that. Thousands of years of history and culture shouldn't just be thrown away to desert cult.
thanks for your great video i can say as iranian todays iran people arent influenced so much by islam we can say at the biggest point in now days there is atleast 15 or 10 million people who believe in islam in iran today and near 5more millions other religions or they believe in some part of islam but not some part of it most people seeks for zorastrian things much more in these days like the zorastrian Marriage or reading some scripts about it the huge amound of people mostly today doesnt care anymore about the religions but thats doesnt mean they dont care about thier history and their country most of us may be different from each other but our country is the only thing all of us have the same idea about it to fight for it no matter it costs and because of today failure of islam in iran happily we can say most of people can and will destroy the bones of government and make a new one out of it and i think it can have a big impact atleast on the middle east like today we see the eqyptian people telling in media they are not arabs and have history because islamic republic is one of they key things in the islamic world and with out it islam can be faded in countries like turkey iraq syria and even saudi arabia which the ruler take to many tasks to modernize the country i think in some cases we can see better relation with china and india like you said but its erupt some wars of religion but nothing can change the border because of people who will honor them selves for it at the end most of us in iran may hate islam and arabs because they attacked us and their religions have some holes in it but thats deoesnt mean anything personal we dont want to seek revenge for a old war and start killing children and families like barbarian we can know most of people in middle east are not counted as arab but their own races but we accept our neighbors as what they are people are people most of the time leaders and rulers put them infront each others and we know it very well from every part of history in our own country also this video had some holes about how arabs could invade iran im not sure about the castle but i know there were some people who worshiped abrahamic religion mixed with some zorastrian and more named mani and unfortunatly some of the followers betrayed us and help arabs at thats time and byzantine empire thought if the arabs attack persians they could use this as advantage for them selves but they did forgot thats you cant be friend with someone who already sold his soul to a god for killing other people in the name of him i hope someday not only my country but all countries can live peaceful life in this world full shits and thats can be happen only with the power of people not some celestial or spiritual power named god
Answer: Persia would have been one of the greatest leader of the whole globe. Most cultured place. Islaam was the biggest curse on Zoroastrians and Hindus.
Even though you have good information for the most part, some info is not quite correct. Example, the alphabet is of Persian origin which was taken by Arabs since they really had no alphabet.
Thank you for doing a commentary on the country I was born and raised in with your 2 hours of research. You conclusion could not have been more wrong. Iran would be completely different if it didn't fall under Islam and 100s of years of Arabization (through rape, slavery and mass murders of thousands of Iranians) which is still on going by the Islamic Republic (which is incredibly anti-iranian). You know obviously nothing of the Iranian culture, and you dare to say it would be the same. Shame on you for creating such content with such limited research. Specially at a time where Iranian are fighting and dying for their freedom to get their cultural freedom from the Arabized Rulers. Just to educate you a little bit, Iranian sub cultures although share minor difference with each other share far greater bond and similarity that you realize. "without a unified Caliphe Government to promote the new Persian" is the most ignorant and false statement in your entire video ( and you made plenty of prediction that were super off, due to your lack of knowledge on our culture). I dont directly blame your lack of knowledge of the Iranian culture either. The Islamic Republic has been suffocating and doing its best to erase and falsely (Arabized) represent the Iranian custom and cultures both inside the country and outside. Literally re-writing the history books, demolishing historical sights, banning Iranian customs and celebrations).
@@wildviper So many possibilities. One big one that you missed was that the Arab conquests would most likely never even picked up momentum. They raided our resources to finance their fights against the Romans and expand into North Africa. Most likely Christianity however would have counties spreading into Iran and vice Versa our religion would expand into Anatolia. If Arabs would fail to Arabize all of their neighbors we would still have Egyptian spoken widely as well as Assyrian languages. So many knowledge that was burned down by the Arabs would be saved right now as well. In Iranian culture equality between women and men is far greater than what you realize as well, so civil rights would be 100x improved for generations.
@Amin Seyedi, It seems that this video got you thinking about and expressing your beliefs about an alternate history, which is good. No need to throw personal insults, perhaps they’re misplaced. What can be done to change the current state of affairs in your motherland? That is, “correct” for the rerouting that occurred?
@@joecat21 The issue is lack of proper research and making false conclusions that are incredibly surface level. It’s almost as if saying the Native Americans would have been in the same place regardless of whether different European countries invaded their lands, destroyed their culture, and forced their religion in them. I am not against on making such commentaries on other cultures and countries, but proper research is needed. On top of that Iranians are fighting the Islamic republic as of right now trying to get back their culture that has been suppressed by arabization for centuries, so the timing is a factor as well. This has nothing to do with what can be done with the current affairs of my country. And everything to do with the lack of knowledge on Iranic culture and what truly Arabization of Iran means.
@Amin Seyedi, We disagree. As I read your statement The issue is that you seem hostile towards others talking about your motherland if they weren’t born there. You start with your credentials, which in the world of debate are not important. I’m not sure I agree with the Native American analogy. But that is besides the main point. Also, I would like to hear about what you would do to change your country, how can you make it a better place??
@@rezaganjizadeh4263 افرین.کسی کمکت کرد پول بیت المال دادن بری جنده مشهدی بخری بهت ساندیس دادن یا خودت فهمیدی.نفرین خدا بر موجودی شیطان صفت و خونخوار به نام الله.اسم بت پدر محمد عبد الله ابن عبد المطلب.ناموسا الله خودش خوش نمیاد به عنوان خدا بپرستیدش خودش میخواد بت باشه.واسه همین پیروانش انقد ادم کش و دزد شدن.الله راضی نیست از فیلتر شکن حرام برای جاسوسی و ادم فروشی استفاده کنی.
You need to get more educated on several topics. 1. Kufi writing and where it came from. 2. Impact of Persian culture on Islam and adaptation of Zoroastrianism can be seen in Shiaa Islam. 3. Today Iranians are the only people that are pissing on Islam by showing the true nature of Islam and Mohammad. 4. Arabs did not have the knowledge to run an empire, this was done by the Persians and after learning from Persians for 100 or so years they started to run the Abbasid and played khalifa. 5. From Western boarders of Iran to the east nobody speaks Arabic since it is inferior to Persian language and culture however to the west all the countries lost their language cultures such as Egypt. So get educated before making videos .
@@wildviper Shiite dogma and doctrine are definitely not part of Islam ( - the twelve imams - Taqiya - divinization of Ali and his family - excommunication of all sahabas except 3; Al-Miqdâd b. 'Amr, Salman al-Farisi, Abû Dharr al-Ghifârî, as they are supposed to be the transmitters of the religion - non-preservation of the Koran - insulting the Prophet's wives; they committed adultery, whereas Aisha, for example, is responsible for narrating more than a quarter of the Prophetic tradition; sunna - Nikah mut'ah, which is a temporary sexual marriage contract - pilgrimage to places other than Mecca - infallibility of imams, whereas infallibility is granted only to prophets - the pillars of Islam are 5 explicitly mentioned in the Koran and 6 in Shiite dogma; Shiite scholars add the imamate, which is simply absent from the Koran. You can not go against simple basics prohibitions in islam and claim you are muslim
@DutchTunisian bro, Shia is another religion. In Islam you are consider a sect only if you differ in minor theological beliefs. But once you leave tawhid, you are no longer a sect nor even a muslim
Your video neglected Hindustan and Hinduism mostly. Hinduism had existed prior to Zoroastrianism and there's a lot of influence in the philosophy. Even today, the largest population of them live and thrive in India where they fled from persecution by Islamic forces centuries back. Today's Afghanistan was a Hindu kingdom too and traces of Hinduism have been found in Azerbaijan and adjoining areas.
@@AYAM.M check the title of the video and then read my comment in context. The reality is that Zoroastrians were persecuted and fled Iran and took refuge in India. They assimilated with Indians, called Parsis, and became an integral part of India and that's the reason the Zoroastrian population even today is the biggest in India. A section of them migrated from India to USA, Australia from India and have a significant diaspora in those countries in the last 50/60 years. Even Armenians had a strong presence in India in the 1800/1900s. Of course, everything is not about India but you can't deny history.
@@dodul65 It still isn't about India because Zoroastrianism in this historical context deals specifically with that religion in relation to Iran, not India. Hinduism didn't influence Zoroastrianism in Iran; there are still Zoroastrians in Iran who didn't migrate to India. You bringing up India is one thing, but to bring up Hiduism is so irrelevant in regard to the topic the video is focused on. Take it easy on your ultra-nationalism, then accept that the world doesn't revolve around India.
'Eye ran" lol is the correct pronunciation when speaking English, just how Persian speakers have a different pronunciation for the words American and America when speaking Persian. Neither are wrong.
It is not a correct conclusion. Iran right now is on one of its weakest forma arguably after qajar dynasty its the second weakest form right now. In contrast , during achaemenian or sassanid dynasty iran was a super power. It is very likely that if the arab invasion never came as it happened , an strong iran would resist mongol invasion like mamlocks did at egypt later. So the history of world and everything would have been a lot different
You can dream for Zoroastrianism. I'm sure the Muslims dreamed for Persia. Their dream came true. May Allah Most High protect it from the Colonial nightmare about to ensue.
Yea sure buddy but people eventually come to their senses and they will embrace their true zoroastrian identities sooner or later ND get rid of whatever joke of a religion islam is
Giving yourself a false sense of hope is cute. Keep dreaming. That's all dreamers can do. Float through life bitching at others for what they themselves can't achieve. Sunni or Shia, Iran is Muslim. Will remain so as long as Allah Wills. No Zoroastrian, Hindu, Jew, secular or Traditional, Christian in the Vatican or Christain in the Pentagon is going to change that fact. Iran belongs to Muhammad, blessings of the Most High upon him.
lol i came here expecting some over the top Anti-islam alternative utopia but nah u did well it will still be a shit show there even without islam although the fact that Islam did have a lot of positive influence on Iran was not pointed as much, but well done was fun alternative history.
@@One_step_above_is_hereOttomans - Destroyed Greatest empire ever alive, enslaved Greeks and Slavs, Destroyed completely greek and real Egyptian culture. Mamlukes - Where is original Egyptians?
@@tession1747 And you think the romans were better? The Byzantines had been in decline for hundreds of years before the ottomans came. The "Original" Egyptians is the vaguest statement ever. Like do you mean the ones 8000 years ago, the ones that built the pyramids, the ones that were conquered by Persia, Greece, Rome and the Arabs? The mamelukes beat back the Mongols, something the romans were too weak to do. Muslim cities were the centre of commerce and wisdom for thousands of years. Tashkent had a lower poverty rate than London until the mongols came. I hope you don't just dislike these states just because they're muslim, cause then you'd be an even bigger fool
@@One_step_above_is_here So what's entire point? Literally, what changed. Byzantine declined fully cuz of Turks, before it, Byzantine still the main player in the world, biggest trade, cultural and religious center in the world. Egyptians taked by many nations, but only muslims destroyed entire culture and Ethicy. That's the point. Mamlukes beated Mongols? How many states literally pick this title? Not only Mamlukes caused damage to them, Russian principalities, Grand duchy of Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and many other states is the reason of Mongolian empire collapse, but mostly death of the Genghis Khan the main reason, not Mamlukes. Muslim's had the main trading hubs in the world? Really? It's not their achievement, its achievement of Persia and silk route, not Muslims.
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Earliest religion of Iran was Vedic. Iran's history starts after Vedic Mittani-Hatti-Hari, MHH invoked deities were purely RgVedic Indra, Mitra, Nasatya, Varuna, Hari. Read a portion of my study. 7) Religion: Perhaps after the collapse of Mittani-Hatti empires in 13th c. BC. lord Indra took back seat & lord Mitra became the most revered all thru 1st millennium BC. & continued till the arrival of Christianity in 5th c. CE. Median, Roman, Parthian & other short lived empires, kingdoms in Anatolia & the Pontics worshipped Him. More than 200 temples of Mitra were discovered across Roman empire. For centuries Mitra cult was a state religion of Roman. However, Mitra cult never became popular among Greek, their Sun God is equivalent of Mitra. Sakas too worshipped Mitra as sun God. Greek Zeus is RgVedic Dyus. Zeus+Ptr=ZeusPtr>Jupiter, Sanskrit Ptr=father. G-R's funerary rite used to be cremation, a Vedic rite, cremation also was rite of Goths & Norse. Zoroastrianism was created on Mitraism in Persia when it was a tributary of Median empire in 7th c. BC. Rulers, aristocrats, nobles of Iranian world & it's border region bore Mitradata (giver of Mitra) name frequently till Parthian hegemony. Parallel to Mitra there was RgVedic Hari cult flourished in western Anatolian mighty Lydian kingdom, the dynasty claimed descended from Herakle, Hari+Kula, Sanskrit "Kula"=Clan, lineage or followers, thus "clan of Hari", subsequently corrupted into Herakle, Hercules. Lydian existed all thru 1st millennium BC. Hari cult too flourished outside Lydian realm to Greco-Roman world. Norse Scandinivian were the last Shatriyas to retain the oldest Vedic deities Odin (Dayus), Thor (Indra) till 8th-11th c. CE., it must be noted, they're not Germanic deities, Germany was a name of territory formed by Norse, Sauromata & Alani. Southeast Asian deities are predominantly Pouranic (Hindu) still Indra's motifs & worshipping are seen frequently. Xiangno Khotan Kushan have conquered Northern China while Shatriyas of eastern India have conquered Southern China took Chariot, the great flood mythology, Dishitan (Indra) there. In India Vedic deities took back seat probably in the early centuries of 1st millennium BC. It must be noted, RgVedic Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Nasatya are the earliest name of I-E deities found in inscription of 2nd millennium BC. (treaties between Mittani & Hatti). Name of Greek deities appeared in record/inscriptions after 8th c. BC. No I-E literature predates RgVeda even after pulling down to as late as 16th c BC. Greek literature Iliad & Odyssey came not before 8th c. BC. Timeline of oldest Iranic literature "Gatha" (hymns) was composed after 10th c. BC., "Gatha" is a pure Sanskrit term. Zoroastrian texts didn't come before 7th c. BC. Literature from Europe came after 10th c. CE. We must understand, Vedic religion isn't an organised one, long separation created the differences what we see, they all developed as per their own taste & local environment yet the family resemblance never lost. ---+== IE/Aryas stretched from India to Anatolia (Mitani-Hatti) in 2k BCs. In 1k BCs extended to Mediterranean by GR and Steppe by Cimme-Arya Saka Sauromata Alani Roxolani Tocha-Arya Kushan Wushun Xiangno Khotan Aryas. Later Hun, Turk, Mongol rulers descended from Tocha-Arya Khotan Aryas. There's no martial race except Arya warrior castes (R1a1a/R1a1Y), Mesopotamian, Ezyptian. Rulers and commers of nations don't share common origin.
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They have similarities because both Iranic and Indian Aryan people came from the same place, or they were neighbors. And then they modified their cultures independently with the influence of native cultures.
@@sargon_says_hello Kshatriya Aryas have conquered Iran middle East in every age. Latest WAVES of Aryas from ARYAVART 👉B/w 300BC-100CE from Gangetic plains Khotan, TochaArya Kshatriyas conquered Turk, Mongol, Tatar, Tibet tribals of Tarim basin+Tibet. K-Ts, bore pure Sanskrit names, wrote in Brahmi, 600CE onwards became kings/lords of TMTT conquered C.Asia, Iran, M.East, Arab, Ezypt, Greece, Balcan, Europe, Tibet, China. Perhaps led Kushan & Hun too. K-T's literature is oldest in whole of Northern hemisphere including Europe & Tibet. 👉1st c CE Aryavart's Aryas landed in Arabia during Indo-Roman trade, brought navigation, bred with tribal women, adopted Arabic. Becoming lords of Arab tribals conquered M.East, Iran, Anatolia, N.Africa, Spain, Sicily. Think why Arab couldn't dare attacking I-R ships, attack Mesopotamia before 7th c if they're martial races. Think why Arab couldn't make voyage before. 👉Norse, Goths are Kshatriyas, directly from the Ganges, penetrated Europe not before 4th c. Evidences: Gupta age Vishnu idol in Volga Russia. Europe's 1st literature "Norse" of 10th c is 2k years younger than Aryavart's regional literature. Vimanas in Europe's castles, churches are certainly not Greco-Roman. Timber built Kiev, Novogorod are replication of Mauryan-Gupta age cities. Timber architecture of Scandinavia still survives in the Himalayas. Funerary cremation of N-G. Aesir-Vanir from later Sanskrit Asur-Deva story. Edda from Veda. Goths are declared Arya. Baltic languages akin to modern North Indian. Scandinavia named after lord Shiva's son Scanda or emperor Scanda Gupta. Scanda+Nauv, Nauv= Ship in Sanskrit. R1a1a/R1a1 marker is in all above. +++++++++ Aryavart's conquest of west, white & north tribals 👉2k BCs Mittani-Hatti-Hari upto Anatolia. In 1k BCs upto Greece, Rome, there're RgVedic Elina, Dyus (Zeus), Mitra. 👉 900BC RgVedic Parsu conquered Persia. In 550BC upto Greece, Balkan, Ezypt. 👉Since 750BCs whites, C.Asian, G.Steppe tribals are conquered by CimmeArya, Saka, Sauromata, Alani, Raslani, Kushan, Wushun, Xiangnu. 👉750BCs CimmeArya, Saka upto Balkan, Ukraine, Russia. 👉300-100BCs Sauromata, Alani won Ukraine, British-Irish isles, there's RgVedic Danu. 👉 300BC-300CE Khotan, TochaArya conquered Truk, Mongol, Tatar tribals (Tarim basin) from Gangetic plains. 👉250BC Parthian conquered Persia, Mada, M.East, Anatolia. 👉Mittani descent Roman conquered whites in 100BC. 👉200CE-500 Goth, Norse conquered whites directly from Gangetic plains. 👉350CE Xiangnu, Khotan descents Hun won 1/2 Europe. 👉400CE Alanis upto Spain raiding Greece, Italy. 👉200CE during Indo-Roman trade Aryavart's Aryas landed in Arabia. 8th c. latest+ Irani Arya led Moors-Arabs conquered whites in Spain. 👉Khotan, TochaArya led Turk, Mongol tribals conquered whites in 9th-13th c. Roman & even 10th c. IBN Fadlan met all races, found the f!lth!est in Europe. Can such trib@ls be progenitors of Europe's kings? Conquered Greece, Italy? Colonised all continents??? Apply common sense.
@@saumensingh9482 I know all of these. I love studying history and didn’t say anything against your comment. chill bro 😂 What I said in my previous comment is a different thing. My comment was about the similarities between Iranians and Indians. Most precisely Iranian Aryan and Indian Aryan. Maybe they have/had some similarities because of their Aryan ancestry. Both Iranian and Indian Aryan people came from the same place which is somewhere near the Volga, Caucasus etc. There are mainly two types of language families in the Middle East. Semitic and Indo-Aryan. Semitic is native to most of the Middle East. Indo-Aryans came to the Middle East kinda later. And settled in many places. Aryans were a group of semi-nomadic tribes at first. Then they started to settle in different places like India, Iran, and North Europe. Arabs and Mesopotamians? They have almost nothing to do with the Indo-Aryan family. Having some Aryan ancestry and Aryan history doesn't make them Indo-Aryan. Arabs are Semitic. That's totally a whole different group. Egypt, Arabic, and Ancient Mesopotamia... all of them are from the Afro-Asiatic family which is way older than the Aryan family. Ancient Akkadian, the language of Sumerian, Babylonian civilization was a Semitic/Afro-Asiatic language. If you talk about most ancient civilizations, especially in the Middle East ... Afro-Asiatic people are the main builders. And what do you mean by the "Aryavart's conquest of the West"? lol. Aryan people settled in the West, especially Northern Europe way before the existence/creation of Aryavart. Aryavart is a place or term used to identify the Aryan lands in Northern India. Aryans from the Volga, Asia Minor visited Europe, Persia, and the Indus Valley. And created different civilizations with the influence of local cultures. Aryavart is the result of that process. Aryavart didn’t conquer other regions. Their Aryan ancestors did. You are making it sound like India is the birthplace of Aryan people and they went to conquer other places. Just a clear example: suppose my great-grandfather and his sons lived in a place called 'x'. His sons decided to move out and they settled in places called A, B, and C. All of them have similarities because they came from the same place. But when they started to settle in different places slowly, they adapted to the native culture and built a whole new culture. North Europe, Persia, and Aryavart(India) are those. X's son ABC conquered and settled in different places during the Aryan Migration, but that doesn’t make their grandchildren(Aryavart or North India) a conqueror. Because after the Aryan settlement in this sub-continent, Indians have very little history of conquering other civilizations. That's why you can't say the Aryavary conquered other places. Yes, if the Aryan people originated from India or Indus Valley, and started to settle in different places slowly. Then you could say those things about "Aryavart's conquest". Whatever, except for those I said above, I agree with you.
. The sciences that developed in the Islamic Golden Age were foreign sciences and not the product of Muslims. Anyone could access these sciences without the need to link countries to one state like the Abbasid state. Sciences developed in Europe without the need for unification like Rome. + Muslims during the invasion of Iran burned Persian books and sciences under the pretext that they had the Quran and that was enough. Omar said in a hadith that there is no science after the teachings of Allah, meaning that the Quran is the best science and Allah told us everything we need in the Quran so we do not need the sciences of the infidels. Islam was the reason for scientific backwardness in the Middle East and still is. Perhaps if Persia had been Zoroastrian it would have developed science faster in the Middle East
I don't think poetry is more important than inventions and cultures and music and architecture and heritage and most importantly independent. just look how they were looked during sassanids and parthians and achaemenids, and now look at today's iran. bunch of turban wearers ruling over iran.
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BTW what if Afroasiatic Peoples/Languages never existed? What if an Independent Assyrian country was established after WW2? What if Maya civilization still existed today? What if Carthage survived and Industrialized? What if the Kingdom of Madagascar still existed today? What if the Syrian civil war never happened? What if the Turkic Migrations never happened? What if the Kingdom of Kongo survived till today?
What If Europe converted to Mithraism? What if China was Manichaen today? What if Rome fully converted to Sol Invictus? What If Rome & Europe converted to the Cult of Isis? What if the Aztec Empire converted to Christianity and Survived till today?
What if the Inca Empire (Tawantinsuyu) survived and transformed the Inti religion into a Monotheistic evangelistic, missionary universalist religion? What if Central Asia and Afghanistan were Hindu*?
What if Turkey was Zoroastrian?
I wonder if a sect of Zoroastrianism called something like ''Messianic Zoroastrianism'' as a defense against Islam and Buddhism...
Zoroastrian community in India is very entrepreneurial, prosperous and hard working. We call them 'Parsi' people or People from 'Pars' aka Persia.
My upmost respect for my Indian brothers❤❤❤
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@@nimaj53The Parsi community's migration to India traces back to the 8th century when they sought refuge from religious persecution in Iran during the Islamic invasion. Upon their arrival in India, they were graciously welcomed by the Hindu king of Gujarat. It's important to note that not all Zoroastrians who migrated to India from Iran are referred to as Parsis; rather, only those who settled in Gujarat are known by that term. Over the centuries, the Parsis have become renowned for their contributions to various sectors in India, including business, industry, arts, and philanthropy. Notable figures like Homi Jehangir Bhabha, the father of India's nuclear program, and the Tata family, owners of the Tata Group, have emerged from the Parsi community. Today, the Parsis are recognized as one of the wealthiest and most charitable communities in India, leaving a profound and lasting impact on the country's social, cultural, and economic landscape.
They're just Iranian.
Iran is ethnic Persian, but the religion of Zoroastrianism exists too.
@@jithumapper7059 Stop talking about Zoroastrianism. You know nothing about it or Sasanian Iran.
Zoroastrianism is extremely discriminatory, even if it's very pro Iran.
I have to say that a Zoroastrian Iran would have a MAJOR influence in the Muslim World for several reasons:
1. Persian culture and philosophy heavily influenced Islam. Without Iran, it's likely contact with India would be less, and hence, entire fields like mathematics would not have developed the way they did in our timeline.
2. Iran and Afghanistan were the basis for the Abbasid Dynasty, which later conquered the Ummayads in the 8th century and promoted the Golden Age of Islam. Without the Abbasids, the Ummayads might have survived, meaning the Arab World would be far less intellectually developed, a lot poorer, and far less relevant. Incursions into Europe will never happen due to Ummayad instability at the Byzantine's borders, and also due to massive revolts in North Africa and Iberia led by dissenting Muslim sects called the Kharijites, who HATED the Ummayads. In this timeline, and thanks to Kharijism, Iberia would remain Muslim since the areas under Kharijite rule (like Algeria) experienced mass conversions, which were discouraged by the Ummayads, who later ruled Iberia.
3. No Ummayad rule in Iberia would mean a more stable and more Muslim Kharijite south, as well as a stronger Christian North. I doupt, however, that either would conquer the other, instead remaining separate entities to this day and fighting over central Iberia.
4. With the Mongol conquest (if it happened at all since Gengis Khan invaded Iran due to a Khwaresmian provocation), the Muslims in the West would have also been anhiliated, with only Kharijite North Africa and Iberia surviving.
5. No Abbasids means no Turkic migration because there wouldn't have been a Battle of Talas. This means the Chinese and Buddhism would still be influential in Central Asia and among Turkic peoples. This also means that the Byzantines would survive since there would be no Turkic migration into Anatolia.
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@@slayedclaw317tf do You mean no
Kuro Azrem, that is a fine analysis, but like the original video there is are things not accounted for.
Like - would the Byzantine Empire now be weaker or stronger? This has huge impacts on western societies too.
And let's not forget butterfly effects an wildcards. Persian Zoroastrianism wouldn't have to remain untouched by time either. Different rulers and dynasties might emerge; Turkish-Zoroastrian or even further spread of Buddhism doesn't sound tofsfh
Byzantine can't survive you just found Ottoman empire with Buddhist or Zoroastrianism as Thier major religions
And a Janissaries who came from Christian children and convert to Buddhist or Zoroastrianism same as out time
1- Persian philosophy didn't heavily influence Islam( Islam would still thrive)
2- the arab world would still be rich and intellectually developed ( no one depended on the Persians, and most science/literature was made in Bagdad or translated from Greek books)
3- Iran would be intellectually deprived of Islams/Arab discoveries and science therefore a poorer weaker country
it may sound bitter but it may be the most richest and economically developed countries if zoroastrians was still in iran
the biggest problem of iran is the islamic extremist who now have power in iran remove the islam from power in iran and make it only a religion that have no saying in any low or way of people life and the iran became a great the country for living right now the islamic republic is sucking blood of people and i tell you no iranian like the regime that rule the country now
Says the cow worshippers
@@mcboat3467 yeah i worship cows whats ur problem u bhikari pakitsni gawar
@@iamthedefeatable India will never become cow lindu 🐄🕉️ rashtra coming from Kerala man I can sure you that if your ppopjeet 💩 government want to do that here that will be the end of the 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳ia as a country there will be no India after that..!!!!
Lol how? Iranians under Islam established some of the greatest empires and civilizations in the world. The Persian language had a profound impact on the culture and language of the regions of central and South Asia and it could be found even today. Some of the greatest scholars and scientists in Islamic Iran include ibn sina, imam gazali, Omar khayyam , imam Bukhari etc. This is something which was unfound in pre Islamic Iran. You guys are so delusional. Your hatred for Islam makes you to make such ridiculous arguments. Iranians are and will remain proud Muslims.
Long live Zoroastrians and all Persian’s💪💪💚🤍❤️
Only poorsians celebrate their dead religion
Shout out to all Zoroastrians, I hope the Parsis can survive into the future. I think they need high fertility rates and large families though.
@@zhcultivator O derrocar al régimen Iraní.
@@zhcultivatorno. They should learn from Jews. How to tackle with Arabic shaitaan 😢
Persians Yes, Zoroastrianism no. - From a Persian
Non-official polls in Iran show around 8% of Iranians are Zoroastrian now, and its growing. Alot of persian anti-islamic nationalists and anti-regime ppl are starting to convert to it as a kind of objection of the islamic regime.
The fire rises?
Hmm
It's only a nationalistic move, no one really follows that religion lol
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I am from iran i can say this is real
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Muslim mosques are designed based on Mazgats( Mazgat or Mazdagata that means the place of Ahuramazda), a specific fire temple with domes and burning fires under the dome, in many muslim mosques you still can find Minarah that basically means fireplace. Even the Mihrab that is a place that a muslim priest stands to pray and determines the direction of Qiblah is like Mehrab in fire temples that determines the direction of sun and Zoroastrian priests put the holy fire there and stand to pray beacuase in Zoroastrian religion the direction of praying should be toward light and Mehr in Persian means light. Some scholars says Ab was Hap or Ap that means honouring in Avestan so Mehrab means honouring the light but other scholars believe Ab here is changed from Av and Ave that means a room and a place built in the form of a dome and Mehrab means the place of praying toward Mehr
and because after Islam new muslim Iranians used Iranian architecture to build their mosques, they built all mosques in the form of domes and they made the part of standing the priest a half-dome and called it Mihrab. You should read more about Iranian architecture and its influence on Islam to get a deeper understanding of it.
You should visit yazd oldest fire Temple, then you can differate Islamic architecture and sassanid architecture.
@@ramzan6949 As I said, there were specific kind of fire temples that mosques are based on them. Also it's important to know Sasanian and Parthian architecture so you can see the obvious similarity. Islamic architecture is nothing but the continuation of Parthian and Sassanid architecture. In many mosques, there are still pre-Islamic symbols even in the decorations of the mosque. Also, it is well recorded in the history of Iran that the Arab Muslims destroyed many fire temples in order to build a mosque on their ruins. After the Muslim Arabs encountered the four-arched fire temples, these buildings were transformed into modern mosques by the hands of Iranian architects. A very good example is the fire temple of Azar Goshnsap, where the element of the dome was well used in its structure. Also, after Islam, the first examples of post-Islamic architecture, in today's form, were made in Khorasan, Iran. Jame Mosque in Tabriz is another example of the transformation of the fire temple into a mosque.
@@ramzan6949You have confused the 1500-year-old fire in the Yazd fire temple with the fire temple itself. The oldest fire temples are located in today's Tajikistan, which are more than 5000 years old. After them, the fire temple of Nobahar in Balkh is placed. The most famous fire temples of Sassanid Iran are the fire temples of Azar Ghoshnsap, the fire temples of Azar Barzin Mehr and the fire temple of Azar Farnabagh, each of which had its own special function.
@@sarabkh79 Most persian became Muslim in the period of Abbasid chilaphate. Ummayad chilaph didn’t wanted to non Arab especially persian to become Muslim. I visited persepolis and various ancient historical sites of Iran but i find that there are major difference between pre Islamic Iranian Architecture is mostly different from post Islamic architecture. Most Iranian renowned mosque or Architecture were built in the period of Taimur lang rule. You have no idea that how Muslim prayer ceremony are performed, the leader of prayer stand in the front line alone and others behind the imam, this is created the idea of mehrab in mosque , mehrab is also an Arabic word. The idea of minarate come from Azan, when muazzen calling to prayer they used taller hill or infrastructure so that Muslims can heard prayer call or Azan. So in prophet time mosque had mehrab and minarte. So Mosque is not influenced by the Zarathustraian daneshgah or fire Temple, i have also seen how Zarathustraian perform their prayer. World earliest dome was first built in Babylonian civilization not persian civilization. Early Persian architecture and civilization were mostly influenced by Babylonian civilization such as idea of Garden when Cyrus occupied Babylon in Iraq.Arab people are also semetic they share common history and ancestry with all semetic people and civilization. So mosque Architecture was not come from Zarathustraian fire Temple.
@@ramzan6949 Well, these are the things that they tell you so that you don't feel bad that you are worshiping in a place that is essentially Zoroastrian. At the same time as the Umayyads, many Iranians became Muslims because they could not afford to pay heavy taxes on non-Muslims called jizya. Many Zoroastrians were forced to migrate to India to maintain their religion. The Arabs used to insult the Iranian muslims as Mawali, and they carried out large-scale massacres in many cities of Iran, and any uprising of the Iranian people was severely suppressed. Mihrab does not have a correct meaning in Arabic, because the name of the place in Arabic is based on maf'al, maf'il and maf'ala, and mif'āl, which is for naming tools, cannot be used for mihrab.Linguists have looked at the derivation of mihrab from harb with doubt and believe it to have a non-Arabic origin, and in Arabic texts, taking into account the appropriateness of usage, they have translated mihrab as palace, pavilion, and the highest place to sit. Ibn Battuta writes in his travelogue that the mosque at the time of the Prophet had four walls without a roof and they created columns with palm beams and covered its roof with palm skin. It was during the time of the third caliph Osman that the Mihrab was added for the first time and we know how the mazgats gradually turned into mosques from the time of Omar. Early mihrabs in mosques such as Damascus Mosque and Tulun Mosque have a clear impression of the Trinity of Mithra, and like Zoroastrian temples, they have a large altar in the middle and two altars on both sides. Even in mosques with one mihrab, this trinity is clearly visible in the upper part of the mihrab, like the prayer place of Omar in the Al-Aqsa Mosque. In the Quran, the word "altar" is repeated 4 times, but all 4 of them have nothing to do with Muslims and are related to Jews, who were very influenced by Iranians in their religion. The use of the mehrab in Iran is attributed to the time of the mythological king Jamshid, who was the manifestation of the god Mithra on earth, and the mehrab of Jamshid has been mentioned many times in Persian books. Also Persepolis is not the only historical building in Iran, and Iran has many historical buildings that are being destroyed due to the deliberate neglect of the Islamic Republic, such as many fire temples. The oldest remaining example of a dome from the ancient period in the world related to the Parthians is called Bazeh Hur, which dates back to more than 2000 years ago in Khorasan, Iran. In Iraq, which is considered the territory of Iran since before Islam, the use of the dome has non semetic roots, before the Babylonians, it was the Sumerians who used the dome in their buildings, and we know that the Sumerians were not Semites. Recent discoveries in the ancient site of Chaghamish Hill (6800-3000 BC), located in Dezful plain (ancient city) | Dezful, Iran, show the use of mud bricks and clay structures in the construction of the dome. The meaning of the word minara (place of fire) confirms its Zoroastrian origin. Still, in the ancient languages and dialects of Iran that are popular in smaller cities, people call the mosque, Mazgat. The mosques related to the beginning of Islam outside of Iranian territory in Hijaz, did not have the features of today's mosques and were simple rooms. The construction of the oldest example of a mosque after Islam in Iran is Fahraj Grand Mosque in Yazd, which dates back to the first half of the first century of the Hijri, but the main building was from the works of the Sassanid period (another fire temple turning into a mosque), which was built with the arrival of Islam and originally during the time of Omar. If you have seen the worship of Zoroastrians, then you should know how they pray five times a day and how their prayer time, which is based on the exact movements of the sun in the sky (the importance of light and the sun), is the same as the prayer time of Muslims, and each time has its own special name, which has a clear message for those who think. In the end you cannot claim other civilizations even if they are Semitic. This is like Jews claiming other Semitic civilizations for themselves or an Iranian claiming European civilizations. So ridiculous.
long live Iran, respect for Zoroastrian.
I mean the Persian imperial system survived the Muslim conquest and payed a huge role in continuing a Persian identity, I don’t see why not specially if Islam never came
Zoroastrianism will return to Iran🔥
No
Islam is 1000 times stronger than Zoorastrainism
@@satyamindnectar7052 islam is evil, so saying it is a 1000 times stronger makes no sense, are you trying to say that satan is great , since islam and satan are one and the same
@@amirhussein5966
Islam is integral part of Iran
Islam took a new form in Islam
Islam itself is not evil some firqa of Islam maybe evil but not Islam as a whole
@@satyamindnectar7052 No islam is evil and so is mohammad piss be upon him
Very cool video. I find it interesting (I made a What if Persia remained Zoroastrian video too) that we came at the end to similar conclusions :)
Nice!
زنده باد ایران. زنده باد شاهنشاهی ایران. زنده باد خاندان پهلوی.
@@mgr1282❤ from the USA
Today majority Zoroastrian live in india
We are proud of them
Mr Ratan Tata 🙏
Hindu ❤ Zoroastrian
❤️🤝
yep , as idol worshiper . unite !
according to your language and theory it's called bad
but i think you don't know hindu civillisation was the most advanced@@KunglawAdy
@@KunglawAdy Unite again Islam, sure. Hindus and Sikhs in India united plenty to jointly kick your Mullah ass😂
@@KunglawAdylol,zoroastrianism is abrahamic religion,it was destroyed by some flat earth community like you and ur face
islamization Of Persia Destroyed everything in Persia
Actually No. It had good times too. 8th to 13th century. But yeah, Islamic rule now isn't any good.
You shouldn't be talking, you're from India
@@Pax-Islamica من ایرانیم 🇮🇷
@@sargon_says_hello we call the 200 years of 658 to 858 two hundred years of silence in iran for obvious reasons
Not really, mongols destroyed much much much more
Very interesting thought experiment. Though unfortunately the comment section like anything online surrounding Zoroastrianism tends to contain more people shitting on Islam than prople genuinely interested in discussing Zoroastrianism.
iran would actually be a respectable country
It would have been a better place if Iran was Zoroastrian.
The whole "veil-up-the-women-completely" idea was introduced into Islam by Persian traditionalists pretty early, when Iran was converted.
While modern zoroastrianism doesn't define itself over such garments, I do believe that ancient hardcore former-zoroastrian prudes had a certain impact on Islam that way.
only when you cope
@@Enyavar1 ?? No, the "veil up the women idea" comes directly from the prophet muhammad and its in the koran what are you talking about
@@jax1995 the "veil up the women idea" is _2000 years older_ than Islam, and was highly customary in Persia, right at the time of the islamic conquest too.
In Muhammad's teachings (afaik) the veil only had a minor importance, but under Persian influence, it became way more important for islam. Cultures exchange ideas, and all.
Same hell hole
RUclips recommendation is on fire.... please, get this guy the recognition he deserves 🔥👍🏿
I just wanna say that I really like how you go very specific into these scenarios. Good Work!
That would be the best thing for Iran
Lmao no
@@criterion3836why
Not only for Iran, but even for Afghanistan and the Indian subcontinent.
@@ash.and. Hola, los pakistaníes son indios musulmanes o no?. Saludos.
As a Persian it’s not lol
We would still have the giant lion statues to enjoy today.
i saw a doco where a guy visited a Zoroastrian temple in eastern Iran, where they have kept a sacred fire burning for 2000 years. That should count as one of the Wonders of the world.
Unesco wouldn't like that.they don't even want to write down scientist and poets who clearly identified as iranian in their works as iranian.and the islamic regime likes that and even cooperates with them.
Yea well the bet is the fire is fake believe me
@@nimaj53Buddy what? What does being Iranic have to do with being a Zoroastrian? I’m iranic but I’m Muslim lol.
Hinduism ❤ Zoroastism...
Love from India🇮🇳...
Pagans will always support each other saar
@@criterion3836 like blackstone worshipper
🇮🇷🇹🇯🇦🇫🇮🇳🥲 Aryan
@@criterion3836 El islam es paganismo puro.
@@BagoasAnushParsaRad worshipping a human and two sticks isnt pagan?
5:15 without arab conquered, Persian would stopped turkic settlement in western central Asia, so western central Asia would be iranic and likely adopt Persian religion
I am a Parsi in Florida. I practice Zoroastrianism.
The Islamic Republic in Iran doesn’t allow men and women born in a muslim family to freely choose their religion, and so many who wish to revert back to Zoroastrianism cannot do that.
As a Persian,nah.
@@boring8186 gotcha, bot! You're a liar!
@@ЮрийБогомолов-б8щ I’m not a bot 🤦♂️
They can't either way. Zoroastrianism doesn't allow it 🤣
@@Adam-l2b not true, they allow it in the west, only parsis dont
Depending on if it was a theocracy again or not it could have arguably been worse, since it'd be the only Zoroastrian country it would discriminate towards more people, but if it was secular, it would have been more like the old Sassanid Empire government policy towards other religions, more specifically, Anushirvan's government.
Zoroastrianism with king Cyrus II was in fact the first form of democracy back in 530-540 BCE.
In other words Zoroastrianism is not about ‘tolerance’ but the recognition and acceptance of all.
Most likely it could have served as a model of justice globally.
Parsis are the richest community in india despite being 60k in land of billions.
Because they traded opium with the British
A little correction to your information, after the fall of Iran, it was the Iranians who introduced Alphabets into Arabic. They even helped Arabic become a good enough language that it can be used in the court. Mind you that the Quran was written 60 years after the death of Muhammad and only after 200 years were the words given proper sounds such as ِ ،ُ ،َ etc.
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constantinople would not fall they got the spicy fire for there survival.
what if muslims never ruled India?
IMO I think it would be interesting if the Arab caliphate would redirect it's focus from Iran and into Anatolia, so we get the Greeks absorbed into Islamic culture instead of the Persians and Islam is seen as more of a Western focused region. I'd also imagine there could be a larger Manichean influence in Iran, perhaps one of the Central Asian khanates that conquers them follows that religion and attempts to spread it there.
No Greece Christian t
The water-loving cotton is native to India (as is the name) not the hyper dry deserts of Arabia, as was/is the weaving of cotton (and kenaf) fibers into those white fabrics they wear in India and Persia. You got this in reverse. Arabs used wool--camel wool usually. They got their cotton ideas from Persia (and India), as they did got their numerals (and paper making from China via Persian)
Although the Persian/Farsi language uses Arabic scripts, it's not Arabic and belongs to the Indo-European language family, also We are not Arabs.
but you use many words from us, and use our letters, even your name is arab
@@TakeOneSip who told you that?
If I speak Persian or my mother tongue mazni language you can't understand nothing
@@Amir-el8yx your name os Amir
it's not persian name
@@TakeOneSip no shit Sherlock
@@TakeOneSip In Persian, Amir means immortal. It's also an Arabic name, sure, but it does have a distinct meaning outside of that language.
How expansionist is Zoroastrianism? Christianity and Islam generally tell followers to convert other nations which often served as a casus belli for invasions or colonization. If Zoroastrianism isn’t like that then it’s possible that we would have a Zoroastrian heartland in Iran with significant minorities in surrounding areas. A strong Persian Empire that isn’t Muslim might also check Arabization into Central Asia and India. It’s even possible without a good sea base the Muslim traders might not have been significantly powerful enough to spread it to Southeast Asia.
Depends on how the dynasty in controll decides the acheamid didn't force anyone same with parthians but sasanids try to spread the religion more than the others
You do know that Zoroastrianism also forced conversion too? Right?
Wouldn't Zoroastrianism spread to Central Asia?
No they will remain budhist like south east asia
@@ALIMUSLIYAR1921the difference is central Asian is the birthplace of Zoroastrianism. Infact Avestan language belongs to them.
I don't think so persia back then had accounts of accepting other cultures and religions... not all religions tho
What if Turkey was Zoroastrian??
More Persian culture
If Avestan and Arabic text look that similar, and the former is much older, then it's clear which was the artistic source for the style, unless it's an epic coincidence which I doubt. That alone is very interesting and may change how people view the interactions between Arabs and Aryans. Yes, the Arabs conquered Iran, but the Aryans may have been who ultimately legitimized and solidified the Arab culture itself.
False. The avestan text is from Aramaic a cousin language of Arabic. Which is far older than Persian.
@@slayedclaw317 bro forgets Sanskrit and Avestan language itself
Yeah that’s strange 🤔
@@slayedclaw317 that's alternate reality wtf lol
Avestan origin is Aramaic so still older than Persian and more related to Arabic, arab culture legitimized itself by itself with its various scientific discoveries and language unification
Great vids
I feel like a Byzantine persian alliance would become more normal but by the mongol conquests, i can't say, although i think you're right without persia directly linking islam to the rest of central asia any proceeding caliphate would not be stong enough to completely defeat combined Persian Byzantine assaults (although i don't they would find much success either as egyt and indian trade would stil be alive and well) in the end i think this just means anatolia might remain more Greek Christian but with many turkish warlords and people who would both be Christian and Muslim and iran more persian with still some Islamic influence. But also i feel like Russian Orthodoxy might take the the place of islam in many parts of central Asia as there are records showing of Christian communities living in the area prior to islam existing but also zoroastrianism in there too
Detailed analysis. Fantastic maps. Learned a lot. Great video!
This was actually really good, way better than the other youtubers who do this. Still, i dont agree it would be china aligned, especially considering the fact the country as you predicted would be essentially an enemy of russia after unifying with its communist puppet. Russia might even have ambitions in iran because of that.
Secondly, alignment with china and against the west mainly stemmed from the fact modern iran hates america and wants to destroy it, which probably wouldnt be the case with a Zoroastrian iran. in fact, i believe iran would be a lot more secular than it is today, as it was headed that direction thanks to the western aligned shahs which, as i said, would probably exist in this case as well.
I wonder if a sect of Zoroastrianism called something like ''Messianic Zoroastrianism'' as a defense against Islam and Buddhism.
Time is cyclic. Old Gods will return.
Never Islam is strong in persia
@@satyamindnectar7052fr😂
The history of no country like Iran had so many ‘whys’ and ‘what ifs’..
Iran: a great civilisation, incl with its Zoroastrism. Until VII century when gulped down & digested by Islam.
Iran cannot be great again under Islam.
Fortunately, Iran preserves some of its former identity, and together with free & democratic modernity it could relevantly revive
Islam already revived Iran from fire worshipping 😂
@@criterion3836
Of course it united them, it united them against the tyrannical government of the Ayatollah
@criterion3836 worshipping fire is still better than causing terrorism u katwa😂😂
@@criterion3836All so-called Islamic inventions have Persian or Zoroastrian origins!
wtf vore
What if Greece never became Christian and still worshiped old Religion.
What if Romans never became Christian and worshiped its old gods snd suppressed Christianity to s point it became near extinct
Please pronounce our country name correctly. It's not EYE-ran, it's EE-ran
It's funny
Ih-rarn
Iran has given birth to two world faiths - Zoroastrianism, some three thousand years ago, and the Bahá'í Faith, in the 19th century. Ironically, the followers of both have been despised and persecuted in Iran itself. Although the Iran officially makes a show of honoring its Zoroastrian community, Zoroastrians have traditionally been treated as second-class citizens in Iran, with the result that large numbers opted to emigrate to India. Bahá'ís also bear some responsibility for the shrinking of the Iranian Zoroastrian community, as many converted to the Bahá'i Faith during the 19th century. It's fascinating to imagine what might happen were Iran's fundamentalist Islamic regime to relax it's grip and desist in its persecution of Bahá'ís, seeing as the Bahá'í Faith, which wholeheartedly recognizes the truth of Zoroaster's teachings while embrasing Iran's Islamic traditions, offers an attractive alternative to the fundamentalist Islam with which most Iranians seem totally disenchanted.
Iran gave Islam a new form
Iran help Islam to spread
Mazder should make a car called Ahurer
This definitely undermines how much better off Iran would have been as zoroastrian
These are getting scarily good
I think you underestimate the British interest in Iran, not for their own benefit, but because if Russia controlled the whole thing it would have a warm water port, which would massively affect the balance of power. I think you underestimate the degree to which muslim subjugation affected Zoroastrianism, and I believe that even if it wasn't wholly missionary, it would likely still have a significant missionary wing. This would shape relationships with Buddhism, where in the east you would probably have fewer buddhists than you suspect, and also large communities in Hindustan and Avaganistan. Where they do overlap you likely have higher levels of tension, with the exception that some regions may have something like a survival of Zurvanism which syncretises the two of them. As a result, they would have less in common with China than you suggest, especially since the Chinese don't identify with religion in the way that westerners do.
Others have mentioned that the Zoroastrians are famously trustworthy and industrious, which might lead to a more prosperous and stable Iran. While these traits have ancient heritage, so that even Herodotus mentions their honesty, my guess is that they became particularly concentrated due to the pressures of trying to maintain an ethnoreligious community in the face of significant external pressures. Therefore I think that this Iran might well be better off, it would not be quite so well as others have suggested.
I wonder if a sect of Zoroastrianism called something like ''Messianic Zoroastrianism'' as a defense against Islam and Buddhism hmmm
I think Zoroastrian would’ve probably had some Europe mentality like the crusaders and us vs them homogeneous culture.
And many don’t know this but before the Arab conquest the Azeri were Persian speakers azer literally means fire in Zoroastrianism. The Arabs forced them into forgetting there true language so they would’ve forget there Persian language. And give them Turkic slave which was popular slave trade in Muslim world for mentality.
If this conquest ever didn’t happen I do believe Iran would’ve been even expanded into the caucuses region. And with the crusades against Muslim and Buddhist they would grab some part of Iraq and forced them into Zoroastrianism just like Spain in Europe. And in 1700 because of Russian conquest of Central Asia there would been alliance formed between Zoroastrianism and Russians
Which would’ve led into another manifest destiny for both of those nation and some sorta way a “indo-European alliance”
Which would’ve saw the Buddhist as almost as like the natives in the America’s which would’ve forced them out of Central Asia. And we could’ve sawn this century Russia even expanding into east china and diminishing the Asian sphere of influence in Central Asia.
And with Pakistan and Afghanistan and Tajikistan and some part of Uzbekistan and Azeris I do believe because of there culture similarities this regions would’ve been a majority Zoroastrian.
But in this 1700 there would be probably wars between russia and the Zoroastrian which would eventually after centuries of war came out as stalemate. Because of high population of both sides and high technology which would’ve slow down both sides advancement.
And because of how the Zoroastrian were ahead of there time they would’ve probably been the first in 2000s to have space federation. Which would later follow up with the European countries Muslims and Asians.
To describe the Zoroastrian they would’ve probably been the Spanish of space.
But with recent revival of Zoroastrian which is now spreading in Iran and the turning of Iran into full Persian. Country and spread of Zoroastrian in Tajikistan I think we’re gonna dramatically see Iran changing there script of language and religion which would start a major war in bid of Islam to keep them in there sphere.
@@unknownwarrior5517
Pakistan Zoorastrainism or Buddhism ?
they would probally have flying cars and laughter.. no joke..
In short, there will be Peace ☮❤
Lmao people are commenting without even watching the video. Bro literally said iran would be poorer in our timeline and geniuses in the comments here saying it would be rich lmao
Nader Shah would have also been there conquering from India to Caucasus and Mesopotamia. he was not religious so likely the rule would be similar Achaemenids style satrapies . I believe this would hold well and Britain and Russia to come and conquer Iran. We Nader Shah efforts to establish a Navy and in fact, we see Nader establishing the strongest military of the world at that time.
Nader Shah rifles were used up to 100 years later in Afghanistan to defeat the British. This cannot be ignored in your speculation of how Iran would look if it wasn’t taken over by Arab invaders.
Iran without Muslim wouldn't be either 100 % Zoorastrain
If there would be no Islam in persia there would be Zoorastrainism, Christianity, and some new Persian Religion
What if Iran adopted Nestorianism (Christianity)? Also, there would probably be many more Nestorian Mongolian/Turks/Chinese too.
this video furthur proved to me that iranian culture outweighted and influenced everything it came in touch with and probably the entire histroy and world and we know so little about them
Yes but why do you use for this video the Iran and middle east Map of new middle east project but not the greater Iran.
Plz also made a video if spain , portugal and phillipines ramained muslims and never converted forcibly into Christianity.
Great video!
Maasa would have been alive picking flowers !
In my opinion i think iran might have a future of becoming a Liberal society in the future considering when you look it up on Google it says that there are Christians, Jews and atheists living in the country
Would Indonesia still convert to Islam?
Seems like the first Muslim missionaries to Indonesia were Arab, but later Indian Muslims also spread Islam. So likely less Muslim but still some Muslim
The world would have been a safer place for non-Muslims.
Iran is still Zoroastrianism technically
Culturally ?
Parsis They still maintain the Zoroastrian religion.
Bad timing for Iran at the time of arab muslim invasion. After the death of Shahanshah Khosro Parviz, Iran had internal power crisis. In a short time many kings took power and dethroned. but it would eventually be solved as before if there wasn't that bad timing of arab invasion for Iran.
There was a guy named Atila Hun (similar to Genghis Khan) at time of Sassanids (not bad timing one) and couldn't do anything. they changed their route to Europe and Rome and terrorized them. If Iran didn't defeat to arab muslims. Iran would regained it's stability and would pushed back arab muslims to the deserts of arabia. Iran would be one of the top countries in military, science, economy, ... as before.
At the time of Pahlavi dynasty, Iran was on the path to be one of the top 3 countries in the world in economy, ... but western governers like carter had devil plans and cause the Dark 1979 islamic so--called revolution and ....
But todays lots of Iranians are leaving islam because they know and feel in every day of their life that islam is the cause of these dark ages of Iran.
Lol Cope
The Mahdi shall rise again and he shall deal with you guys first
Islam basically wants you to become 7th century arabia. Iran is too great for that. Thousands of years of history and culture shouldn't just be thrown away to desert cult.
please do an episode "what if the US and the whole west were normal countries and kept their head where it belongs?"
Mazdaic Republic of Iran
I like it ❤
😊
Even though they are muslims now,they still celebrate the zoro new year
You basically destroyed the Islamic Golden Age (and probably even Islam).
The islamic golden age was just the Persian golden age
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@@amirhussein5966 with Greek elements, but basically yes, it was.
@@kuroazrem5376 well said and true
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thanks for your great video i can say as iranian todays iran people arent influenced so much by islam we can say at the biggest point in now days there is atleast 15 or 10 million people who believe in islam in iran today and near 5more millions other religions or they believe in some part of islam but not some part of it most people seeks for zorastrian things much more in these days like the zorastrian Marriage or reading some scripts about it the huge amound of people mostly today doesnt care anymore about the religions but thats doesnt mean they dont care about thier history and their country most of us may be different from each other but our country is the only thing all of us have the same idea about it to fight for it no matter it costs and because of today failure of islam in iran happily we can say most of people can and will destroy the bones of government and make a new one out of it
and i think it can have a big impact atleast on the middle east like today we see the eqyptian people telling in media they are not arabs and have history
because islamic republic is one of they key things in the islamic world and with out it islam can be faded in countries like turkey iraq syria and even saudi arabia which the ruler take to many tasks to modernize the country i think in some cases we can see better relation with china and india like you said but its erupt some wars of religion but nothing can change the border because of people who will honor them selves for it
at the end most of us in iran may hate islam and arabs because they attacked us and their religions have some holes in it but thats deoesnt mean anything personal we dont want to seek revenge for a old war and start killing children and families like barbarian we can know most of people in middle east are not counted as arab but their own races but we accept our neighbors as what they are people are people most of the time leaders and rulers put them infront each others and we know it very well from every part of history in our own country
also this video had some holes about how arabs could invade iran im not sure about the castle but i know there were some people who worshiped abrahamic religion mixed with some zorastrian and more named mani and unfortunatly some of the followers betrayed us and help arabs at thats time and byzantine empire thought if the arabs attack persians they could use this as advantage for them selves but they did forgot thats you cant be friend with someone who already sold his soul to a god for killing other people in the name of him i hope someday not only my country but all countries can live peaceful life in this world full shits and thats can be happen only with the power of people not some celestial or spiritual power named god
پاینده همبستگی ملی گریان ایران پاینده ایران جاوید شاه
We don t want any other governments with religion. Scholar Scholar Scholar
Sassanids would have never applied scorched earth policy. It would have been a great sin to burn lively farms and crops.
persian alphabet is for persia because ferdousi made it and arabs dont have گ_چ_پ_ژ
Answer: Persia would have been one of the greatest leader of the whole globe. Most cultured place. Islaam was the biggest curse on Zoroastrians and Hindus.
Persian help spreading Islam
Its all politics
I need to know how do you make videos?
I make the maps in photoshop, edit the audio in Audacity, and edit the videos in VSDC
Even though you have good information for the most part, some info is not quite correct. Example, the alphabet is of Persian origin which was taken by Arabs since they really had no alphabet.
Iran would have been most peaceful, developed, beautiful country, most civilized if islam had not entered iran!? 😮
Thank you for doing a commentary on the country I was born and raised in with your 2 hours of research. You conclusion could not have been more wrong. Iran would be completely different if it didn't fall under Islam and 100s of years of Arabization (through rape, slavery and mass murders of thousands of Iranians) which is still on going by the Islamic Republic (which is incredibly anti-iranian). You know obviously nothing of the Iranian culture, and you dare to say it would be the same. Shame on you for creating such content with such limited research. Specially at a time where Iranian are fighting and dying for their freedom to get their cultural freedom from the Arabized Rulers.
Just to educate you a little bit, Iranian sub cultures although share minor difference with each other share far greater bond and similarity that you realize. "without a unified Caliphe Government to promote the new Persian" is the most ignorant and false statement in your entire video ( and you made plenty of prediction that were super off, due to your lack of knowledge on our culture). I dont directly blame your lack of knowledge of the Iranian culture either. The Islamic Republic has been suffocating and doing its best to erase and falsely (Arabized) represent the Iranian custom and cultures both inside the country and outside. Literally re-writing the history books, demolishing historical sights, banning Iranian customs and celebrations).
What do you think would happen if Iran wasn't conquered by Arab Muslims then?
@@wildviper
So many possibilities. One big one that you missed was that the Arab conquests would most likely never even picked up momentum. They raided our resources to finance their fights against the Romans and expand into North Africa.
Most likely Christianity however would have counties spreading into Iran and vice Versa our religion would expand into Anatolia.
If Arabs would fail to Arabize all of their neighbors we would still have Egyptian spoken widely as well as Assyrian languages.
So many knowledge that was burned down by the Arabs would be saved right now as well.
In Iranian culture equality between women and men is far greater than what you realize as well, so civil rights would be 100x improved for generations.
@Amin Seyedi,
It seems that this video got you thinking about and expressing your beliefs about an alternate history, which is good. No need to throw personal insults, perhaps they’re misplaced. What can be done to change the current state of affairs in your motherland? That is, “correct” for the rerouting that occurred?
@@joecat21
The issue is lack of proper research and making false conclusions that are incredibly surface level.
It’s almost as if saying the Native Americans would have been in the same place regardless of whether different European countries invaded their lands, destroyed their culture, and forced their religion in them.
I am not against on making such commentaries on other cultures and countries, but proper research is needed. On top of that Iranians are fighting the Islamic republic as of right now trying to get back their culture that has been suppressed by arabization for centuries, so the timing is a factor as well.
This has nothing to do with what can be done with the current affairs of my country. And everything to do with the lack of knowledge on Iranic culture and what truly Arabization of Iran means.
@Amin Seyedi,
We disagree. As I read your statement The issue is that you seem hostile towards others talking about your motherland if they weren’t born there. You start with your credentials, which in the world of debate are not important. I’m not sure I agree with the Native American analogy. But that is besides the main point. Also, I would like to hear about what you would do to change your country, how can you make it a better place??
هم اسلام ... هم قرآن... هر دو فدای ایران 👑
نفرین خدا بر الله
@@nimaj53الله کلمه ی عربی برای خداست. الله معنی خدا می دهد. یعنی نفرین خدا بر خدا؟
@@rezaganjizadeh4263 افرین.کسی کمکت کرد پول بیت المال دادن بری جنده مشهدی بخری بهت ساندیس دادن یا خودت فهمیدی.نفرین خدا بر موجودی شیطان صفت و خونخوار به نام الله.اسم بت پدر محمد عبد الله ابن عبد المطلب.ناموسا الله خودش خوش نمیاد به عنوان خدا بپرستیدش خودش میخواد بت باشه.واسه همین پیروانش انقد ادم کش و دزد شدن.الله راضی نیست از فیلتر شکن حرام برای جاسوسی و ادم فروشی استفاده کنی.
You need to get more educated on several topics. 1. Kufi writing and where it came from. 2. Impact of Persian culture on Islam and adaptation of Zoroastrianism can be seen in Shiaa Islam. 3. Today Iranians are the only people that are pissing on Islam by showing the true nature of Islam and Mohammad. 4. Arabs did not have the knowledge to run an empire, this was done by the Persians and after learning from Persians for 100 or so years they started to run the Abbasid and played khalifa. 5. From Western boarders of Iran to the east nobody speaks Arabic since it is inferior to Persian language and culture however to the west all the countries lost their language cultures such as Egypt.
So get educated before making videos .
If iran stays persian india also stays totally dharmic civilisation
Buddhism would dominate
Islam destroyed Buddhism and hence Hinduism dominate India along with Islam
Iran isn't even muslim since safavid dynasty my friend.
Are you saying Shia Islam is not Islam?
@@wildviper Shiite dogma and doctrine are definitely not part of Islam (
- the twelve imams
- Taqiya
- divinization of Ali and his family
- excommunication of all sahabas except 3; Al-Miqdâd b. 'Amr, Salman al-Farisi, Abû Dharr al-Ghifârî, as they are supposed to be the transmitters of the religion
- non-preservation of the Koran
- insulting the Prophet's wives; they committed adultery, whereas Aisha, for example, is responsible for narrating more than a quarter of the Prophetic tradition; sunna
- Nikah mut'ah, which is a temporary sexual marriage contract
- pilgrimage to places other than Mecca
- infallibility of imams, whereas infallibility is granted only to prophets
- the pillars of Islam are 5 explicitly mentioned in the Koran and 6 in Shiite dogma; Shiite scholars add the imamate, which is simply absent from the Koran.
You can not go against simple basics prohibitions in islam and claim you are muslim
@@wildvipershia isn’t real islam. Shia is a sect and sects are haram.
@DutchTunisian bro, Shia is another religion. In Islam you are consider a sect only if you differ in minor theological beliefs. But once you leave tawhid, you are no longer a sect nor even a muslim
@@Nicola.M7 yeah ok alot of shias basically worship Ali
Your video neglected Hindustan and Hinduism mostly. Hinduism had existed prior to Zoroastrianism and there's a lot of influence in the philosophy. Even today, the largest population of them live and thrive in India where they fled from persecution by Islamic forces centuries back. Today's Afghanistan was a Hindu kingdom too and traces of Hinduism have been found in Azerbaijan and adjoining areas.
This video is about zoroastrian not hinduism not everything has to be about india
@@AYAM.M check the title of the video and then read my comment in context. The reality is that Zoroastrians were persecuted and fled Iran and took refuge in India. They assimilated with Indians, called Parsis, and became an integral part of India and that's the reason the Zoroastrian population even today is the biggest in India. A section of them migrated from India to USA, Australia from India and have a significant diaspora in those countries in the last 50/60 years. Even Armenians had a strong presence in India in the 1800/1900s.
Of course, everything is not about India but you can't deny history.
@@dodul65
It still isn't about India because Zoroastrianism in this historical context deals specifically with that religion in relation to Iran, not India. Hinduism didn't influence Zoroastrianism in Iran; there are still Zoroastrians in Iran who didn't migrate to India. You bringing up India is one thing, but to bring up Hiduism is so irrelevant in regard to the topic the video is focused on. Take it easy on your ultra-nationalism, then accept that the world doesn't revolve around India.
Why can’t Americans pronounce the “i” vowel?. Like wtf is Eye Ran or Eye rak?.
I can't help it
@@wildviper bruh just say it EERAAN
'Eye ran" lol is the correct pronunciation when speaking English, just how Persian speakers have a different pronunciation for the words American and America when speaking Persian. Neither are wrong.
@@dannydonnelly8198 This is objectively false. Plenty people pronounce it properly when speaking English.
It is not a correct conclusion. Iran right now is on one of its weakest forma arguably after qajar dynasty its the second weakest form right now. In contrast , during achaemenian or sassanid dynasty iran was a super power. It is very likely that if the arab invasion never came as it happened , an strong iran would resist mongol invasion like mamlocks did at egypt later. So the history of world and everything would have been a lot different
The area controlled by the Mazdaic Republic of Iran would still contain massive oil reserves.
You can dream for Zoroastrianism. I'm sure the Muslims dreamed for Persia. Their dream came true. May Allah Most High protect it from the Colonial nightmare about to ensue.
Yea sure buddy but people eventually come to their senses and they will embrace their true zoroastrian identities sooner or later ND get rid of whatever joke of a religion islam is
Giving yourself a false sense of hope is cute. Keep dreaming. That's all dreamers can do. Float through life bitching at others for what they themselves can't achieve. Sunni or Shia, Iran is Muslim. Will remain so as long as Allah Wills. No Zoroastrian, Hindu, Jew, secular or Traditional, Christian in the Vatican or Christain in the Pentagon is going to change that fact. Iran belongs to Muhammad, blessings of the Most High upon him.
@@unbiased786statistics show that most Iranians have left Islam.
@@arman_1024
Bollocks have they! Only the confused and treacherous leave the Faith, left behind, by the Prophets
Most Iranians have left Islam.
lol i came here expecting some over the top Anti-islam alternative utopia but nah u did well it will still be a shit show there even without islam although the fact that Islam did have a lot of positive influence on Iran was not pointed as much, but well done was fun alternative history.
Às a none Muslim Iranian i love the way iran is today despite all problems
Islamism: Take over great empires and make them poor.
What the hell is Islamism. Do you just mean Islam? Also have you heard of the Ottamans or the Mughals or the Mamelukes?
@@One_step_above_is_hereOttomans - Destroyed Greatest empire ever alive, enslaved Greeks and Slavs, Destroyed completely greek and real Egyptian culture.
Mamlukes - Where is original Egyptians?
@@tession1747 And you think the romans were better? The Byzantines had been in decline for hundreds of years before the ottomans came. The "Original" Egyptians is the vaguest statement ever. Like do you mean the ones 8000 years ago, the ones that built the pyramids, the ones that were conquered by Persia, Greece, Rome and the Arabs? The mamelukes beat back the Mongols, something the romans were too weak to do. Muslim cities were the centre of commerce and wisdom for thousands of years. Tashkent had a lower poverty rate than London until the mongols came. I hope you don't just dislike these states just because they're muslim, cause then you'd be an even bigger fool
@@One_step_above_is_here So what's entire point? Literally, what changed. Byzantine declined fully cuz of Turks, before it, Byzantine still the main player in the world, biggest trade, cultural and religious center in the world.
Egyptians taked by many nations, but only muslims destroyed entire culture and Ethicy. That's the point.
Mamlukes beated Mongols? How many states literally pick this title?
Not only Mamlukes caused damage to them, Russian principalities, Grand duchy of Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and many other states is the reason of Mongolian empire collapse, but mostly death of the Genghis Khan the main reason, not Mamlukes.
Muslim's had the main trading hubs in the world? Really? It's not their achievement, its achievement of Persia and silk route, not Muslims.
@@One_step_above_is_here And where i sayed that i dislike them? Just literally, i give just some historical facts
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2) Cyrus, the great
3) cyrus the Great and the Founding Fathers of America
4) cyrus cylinder
7) Alexander the Great cyrus book. Cyropedea writteb by Xenophon,
8) Cyrus the great, in bible
9) Cyrus the great in Quran
10) Cyrus the great anoited by god
11) Cyrus the great messiah
12) Xerces the god king
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Thanks for tideo
Earliest religion of Iran was Vedic. Iran's history starts after Vedic Mittani-Hatti-Hari, MHH invoked deities were purely RgVedic Indra, Mitra, Nasatya, Varuna, Hari.
Read a portion of my study.
7) Religion: Perhaps after the collapse of Mittani-Hatti empires in 13th c. BC. lord Indra took back seat & lord Mitra became the most revered all thru 1st millennium BC. & continued till the arrival of Christianity in 5th c. CE. Median, Roman, Parthian & other short lived empires, kingdoms in Anatolia & the Pontics worshipped Him. More than 200 temples of Mitra were discovered across Roman empire. For centuries Mitra cult was a state religion of Roman. However, Mitra cult never became popular among Greek, their Sun God is equivalent of Mitra. Sakas too worshipped Mitra as sun God. Greek Zeus is RgVedic Dyus. Zeus+Ptr=ZeusPtr>Jupiter, Sanskrit Ptr=father. G-R's funerary rite used to be cremation, a Vedic rite, cremation also was rite of Goths & Norse. Zoroastrianism was created on Mitraism in Persia when it was a tributary of Median empire in 7th c. BC. Rulers, aristocrats, nobles of Iranian world & it's border region bore Mitradata (giver of Mitra) name frequently till Parthian hegemony. Parallel to Mitra there was RgVedic Hari cult flourished in western Anatolian mighty Lydian kingdom, the dynasty claimed descended from Herakle, Hari+Kula, Sanskrit "Kula"=Clan, lineage or followers, thus "clan of Hari", subsequently corrupted into Herakle, Hercules. Lydian existed all thru 1st millennium BC. Hari cult too flourished outside Lydian realm to Greco-Roman world. Norse Scandinivian were the last Shatriyas to retain the oldest Vedic deities Odin (Dayus), Thor (Indra) till 8th-11th c. CE., it must be noted, they're not Germanic deities, Germany was a name of territory formed by Norse, Sauromata & Alani. Southeast Asian deities are predominantly Pouranic (Hindu) still Indra's motifs & worshipping are seen frequently. Xiangno Khotan Kushan have conquered Northern China while Shatriyas of eastern India have conquered Southern China took Chariot, the great flood mythology, Dishitan (Indra) there. In India Vedic deities took back seat probably in the early centuries of 1st millennium BC. It must be noted, RgVedic Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Nasatya are the earliest name of I-E deities found in inscription of 2nd millennium BC. (treaties between Mittani & Hatti). Name of Greek deities appeared in record/inscriptions after 8th c. BC. No I-E literature predates RgVeda even after pulling down to as late as 16th c BC. Greek literature Iliad & Odyssey came not before 8th c. BC. Timeline of oldest Iranic literature "Gatha" (hymns) was composed after 10th c. BC., "Gatha" is a pure Sanskrit term. Zoroastrian texts didn't come before 7th c. BC. Literature from Europe came after 10th c. CE. We must understand, Vedic religion isn't an organised one, long separation created the differences what we see, they all developed as per their own taste & local environment yet the family resemblance never lost.
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IE/Aryas stretched from India to Anatolia (Mitani-Hatti) in 2k BCs. In 1k BCs extended to Mediterranean by GR and Steppe by Cimme-Arya Saka Sauromata Alani Roxolani Tocha-Arya Kushan Wushun Xiangno Khotan Aryas. Later Hun, Turk, Mongol rulers descended from Tocha-Arya Khotan Aryas. There's no martial race except Arya warrior castes (R1a1a/R1a1Y), Mesopotamian, Ezyptian. Rulers and commers of nations don't share common origin.
Andhbhakt dont spamm here poop somwhere.
@@sahilsingh6048 write something in context of history or to the subject otherwise don't waste yours & my time.
If you've capacity👉 argue on the subject👉point out errors in my write up👉 Write about prowess of your race/ancestors👉 write about your history, literature, religion, deities, culture, civilization.
They have similarities because both Iranic and Indian Aryan people came from the same place, or they were neighbors. And then they modified their cultures independently with the influence of native cultures.
@@sargon_says_hello Kshatriya Aryas have conquered Iran middle East in every age.
Latest WAVES of Aryas from ARYAVART
👉B/w 300BC-100CE from Gangetic plains Khotan, TochaArya Kshatriyas conquered Turk, Mongol, Tatar, Tibet tribals of Tarim basin+Tibet. K-Ts, bore pure Sanskrit names, wrote in Brahmi, 600CE onwards became kings/lords of TMTT conquered C.Asia, Iran, M.East, Arab, Ezypt, Greece, Balcan, Europe, Tibet, China. Perhaps led Kushan & Hun too. K-T's literature is oldest in whole of Northern hemisphere including Europe & Tibet.
👉1st c CE Aryavart's Aryas landed in Arabia during Indo-Roman trade, brought navigation, bred with tribal women, adopted Arabic. Becoming lords of Arab tribals conquered M.East, Iran, Anatolia, N.Africa, Spain, Sicily. Think why Arab couldn't dare attacking I-R ships, attack Mesopotamia before 7th c if they're martial races. Think why Arab couldn't make voyage before.
👉Norse, Goths are Kshatriyas, directly from the Ganges, penetrated Europe not before 4th c. Evidences: Gupta age Vishnu idol in Volga Russia. Europe's 1st literature "Norse" of 10th c is 2k years younger than Aryavart's regional literature. Vimanas in Europe's castles, churches are certainly not Greco-Roman. Timber built Kiev, Novogorod are replication of Mauryan-Gupta age cities. Timber architecture of Scandinavia still survives in the Himalayas. Funerary cremation of N-G. Aesir-Vanir from later Sanskrit Asur-Deva story. Edda from Veda. Goths are declared Arya. Baltic languages akin to modern North Indian. Scandinavia named after lord Shiva's son Scanda or emperor Scanda Gupta. Scanda+Nauv, Nauv= Ship in Sanskrit.
R1a1a/R1a1 marker is in all above.
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Aryavart's conquest of west, white & north tribals 👉2k BCs Mittani-Hatti-Hari upto Anatolia. In 1k BCs upto Greece, Rome, there're RgVedic Elina, Dyus (Zeus), Mitra. 👉 900BC RgVedic Parsu conquered Persia. In 550BC upto Greece, Balkan, Ezypt. 👉Since 750BCs whites, C.Asian, G.Steppe tribals are conquered by CimmeArya, Saka, Sauromata, Alani, Raslani, Kushan, Wushun, Xiangnu. 👉750BCs CimmeArya, Saka upto Balkan, Ukraine, Russia. 👉300-100BCs Sauromata, Alani won Ukraine, British-Irish isles, there's RgVedic Danu. 👉 300BC-300CE Khotan, TochaArya conquered Truk, Mongol, Tatar tribals (Tarim basin) from Gangetic plains. 👉250BC Parthian conquered Persia, Mada, M.East, Anatolia. 👉Mittani descent Roman conquered whites in 100BC. 👉200CE-500 Goth, Norse conquered whites directly from Gangetic plains. 👉350CE Xiangnu, Khotan descents Hun won 1/2 Europe. 👉400CE Alanis upto Spain raiding Greece, Italy. 👉200CE during Indo-Roman trade Aryavart's Aryas landed in Arabia. 8th c. latest+ Irani Arya led Moors-Arabs conquered whites in Spain. 👉Khotan, TochaArya led Turk, Mongol tribals conquered whites in 9th-13th c.
Roman & even 10th c. IBN Fadlan met all races, found the f!lth!est in Europe. Can such trib@ls be progenitors of Europe's kings? Conquered Greece, Italy? Colonised all continents??? Apply common sense.
@@saumensingh9482 I know all of these. I love studying history and didn’t say anything against your comment. chill bro 😂 What I said in my previous comment is a different thing. My comment was about the similarities between Iranians and Indians. Most precisely Iranian Aryan and Indian Aryan. Maybe they have/had some similarities because of their Aryan ancestry. Both Iranian and Indian Aryan people came from the same place which is somewhere near the Volga, Caucasus etc. There are mainly two types of language families in the Middle East. Semitic and Indo-Aryan. Semitic is native to most of the Middle East. Indo-Aryans came to the Middle East kinda later. And settled in many places. Aryans were a group of semi-nomadic tribes at first. Then they started to settle in different places like India, Iran, and North Europe.
Arabs and Mesopotamians? They have almost nothing to do with the Indo-Aryan family. Having some Aryan ancestry and Aryan history doesn't make them Indo-Aryan. Arabs are Semitic. That's totally a whole different group. Egypt, Arabic, and Ancient Mesopotamia... all of them are from the Afro-Asiatic family which is way older than the Aryan family. Ancient Akkadian, the language of Sumerian, Babylonian civilization was a Semitic/Afro-Asiatic language. If you talk about most ancient civilizations, especially in the Middle East ... Afro-Asiatic people are the main builders. And what do you mean by the "Aryavart's conquest of the West"? lol. Aryan people settled in the West, especially Northern Europe way before the existence/creation of Aryavart. Aryavart is a place or term used to identify the Aryan lands in Northern India. Aryans from the Volga, Asia Minor visited Europe, Persia, and the Indus Valley. And created different civilizations with the influence of local cultures. Aryavart is the result of that process. Aryavart didn’t conquer other regions. Their Aryan ancestors did.
You are making it sound like India is the birthplace of Aryan people and they went to conquer other places.
Just a clear example: suppose my great-grandfather and his sons lived in a place called 'x'. His sons decided to move out and they settled in places called A, B, and C. All of them have similarities because they came from the same place. But when they started to settle in different places slowly, they adapted to the native culture and built a whole new culture. North Europe, Persia, and Aryavart(India) are those. X's son ABC conquered and settled in different places during the Aryan Migration, but that doesn’t make their grandchildren(Aryavart or North India) a conqueror. Because after the Aryan settlement in this sub-continent, Indians have very little history of conquering other civilizations. That's why you can't say the Aryavary conquered other places. Yes, if the Aryan people originated from India or Indus Valley, and started to settle in different places slowly. Then you could say those things about "Aryavart's conquest".
Whatever, except for those I said above, I agree with you.
. The sciences that developed in the Islamic Golden Age were foreign sciences and not the product of Muslims. Anyone could access these sciences without the need to link countries to one state like the Abbasid state. Sciences developed in Europe without the need for unification like Rome. + Muslims during the invasion of Iran burned Persian books and sciences under the pretext that they had the Quran and that was enough. Omar said in a hadith that there is no science after the teachings of Allah, meaning that the Quran is the best science and Allah told us everything we need in the Quran so we do not need the sciences of the infidels. Islam was the reason for scientific backwardness in the Middle East and still is. Perhaps if Persia had been Zoroastrian it would have developed science faster in the Middle East
I love the speculation but take poetry for instance. Do we know for a fact that Persians were at all into poetry before the Arabs invaded them?
I don't think poetry is more important than inventions and cultures and music and architecture and heritage and most importantly independent. just look how they were looked during sassanids and parthians and achaemenids, and now look at today's iran. bunch of turban wearers ruling over iran.
Iran would've been Iamstillrunning