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Cursing In A Sermon, Postmillennialism, & Theonomy | with Jeff Durbin
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2021
- In this episode of Theology Applied, Pastor Joel and Pastor Jeff Durbin of Apologia present a biblical case for sharp language in preaching. They also discuss the End Times and how our views on this important topic influence every area of our lives. For more episodes, subscribe to our RUclips channel and our Theology Applied podcast!
If you live in the Austin area, Pastor Joel just started planting a brand new church called Covenant Bible Church in Hutto, Texas. He would love for you to come visit on a Sunday. Check out the church’s website for details: covenantbible.org/
I admit to some bad language in recent months, as I am feeling worn down by life, lies and manipulation - this is a result of ME not relying on the Lord as I ought - so, it is my own fault. So, I'm hardly in a position to 'judge'. Yet I am chastised because, Scripture tells us EXPLICITLY, 'Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.' (Ephesians 4.29). I'm not sure how this fundamental of Christian living could be given leeway. I can only encourage Pastors to guard their mouths especially careful.
At the same point I hardly think it be a sin to stand straight up against an enemy and call it out for what it is. When addressing a heretic, though I would like to call it out in a most docile way--- I think addressing ones blasphemous talk as "bull shit" would not violate God.
Difference being it isn't an act of introduction of filth. It is an act of laying down the line in a habitat of filth.
Does that make sense?
Thank you. Are we not allowed to call our favorite Pastors out not only when they're wrong, but also when they attempt to justify it!
Mary, I wish I could give you 1000 thumbs up!!! If we followed his logic, we would all be cursing constantly due to the prevailing heresy of our culture...but that would violate Scripture and grieve the HOLY Spirit within, so we walk by the Fruit of the Spirit in self-control.
Mary, what is "unwholesome"? What if "what they need" is to hear that their false gospel is B.S. ? Is that unwholesome? 🤔
@@pierrejoubert6486 YES
I wanted to see what all the controversy was so Watch the sermon. however, I was so engrossed with what God was calling the adulterous Israelites and busy searching my own heart for any possible adultery that I completely missed it! Powerful sermon, Thank you pastor.
I highly doubt u commented any. There aren’t any gods like Israel was tempted into following.
@@Anonymous-ng9mcwow you are blind😅😅😅
@@iacoponefurio1915
lol. I just read my comment. Major auto correct. Lol.
I love all these interviews brethren.
I am disappointed, though, because we can not get one healthy reformed church planter here in Oregon for the last 8 years! ( Due to medical issues, very low income as a result and our last elderly parent, we aren't able to leave, though we tried to. )
PLEASE send reformed brethren to plant churches in Oregon-----believe me----there aren't but maybe a handful here that are actually alive and healthy!! It is beyond discouraging!!
It will happen keep praying i waited on the lord 10 years and just last year the lord opened apologia church Utah for us here glory to God praying for you I have family in oregon too
San Diego here, we have some great expository teaching here, Biblically sound. And yes, some off the rails too. Good talk you're having. I listen to Apologia all the time, Thank you Pastors.
Come to canyon ridge baptist church in Linda Vista
Ooh looking forward to this!
interesting conversation-the stuff going on in our society should make all of us righteously angry especially if it is infecting our churches.
11:50
Wow. I actually started to really drift and plateau with my (then very young) faith during the lockdowns. It was so easy to just stay hone. I can testify to the truthfulness of that.
I love JD and Apologia’s content! Great interview!
Serve our Father Jesus of Nazareth who is God and Him alone. He is real
The Trinity is God Alone.
"Coarse" language is nothing compared to using the name of God in vain. People can use quite sanitary speech to still engage in filthy speech. Gossip as well is something we say that harms our neighbors.
"Feces" is Latin and "shite" is of Germanic origin. It is no different than saying pork and saying swine. Vulgar means common and the British court demanded others use the educated Latin over the every day German spoken on the streets. One isn't any cleaner than the other. It is funny to hear people preaching and praying in Elizabethan KJV English when that was the vulgar or common speech of the time.
Where can I find the sermon under consideration?
As far as the great commission is concerned. Jesus said, go in the world and "make disciples" of all nations (Matt 28:19). An example of this is found in the book of Acts, the Apostle Paul made many disciples of Christ, but never tried to convert the nation/government. In fact, many of those cities where he shared the gospel are now depopulated ruins today. Why? Because Paul understood the lasting effect of the spread of the gospel in any one area would be temporary, eventually folks would stop listening. As for using curse words. Jesus used a serrated edge speaking at times, but I never heard Him curse at anyone. John the Baptist who called the Pharisees in his day "Vipers", did not use foul language. The only instance we see where a curse word was used by a disciple was when Peter denied he knew Christ after His arrest. Not a great time in Peter's life.
Soldiers & battle are good metaphors.
I wish I could give Jeff a hug! Man, I can’t get enough of your content. I have to go to someone else’s page to watch something new 😂 Praise God for you guys! ✝️🙏🏼
I've only recently been introduced to Apologia and have been blessed by it. However, no. You don't get to use profanities in the pulpit. Even if your elders endorse it, please don't do it again. (I also haven't seen the source material)
Durbin called the elders together to ask them “brothers, I already made my decision but I need your opinion. I am going to use bodily functions lingo and the “F” word (no not fellowship) in my next sermon. Is that OK?” to which, the elders with one accord replied with “it’s your church so do whatever you want”.
In Texas, our PROPERTY TAXES are so high, it is a "state tax" in and of itself.
46:00 You guys should talk more like this and not so quick to blame premillennialism and other orthodox eschatologies on the church’s ills. I read Revelation one way, it’s not going to change. Regardless, no Christian should substitute a prediction of what will come to pass, at an unknown point in time, with our responsibility for our world right now. We should live as if we are responsible for many years, regardless of when the end comes. Theonomy is true from the plain moral teaching of love and justice in the Bible. These are winning messages, not insisting on a particular interpretation of Revelation or when and exactly Jesus will put His enemies under His feet.
Is this like NAR’s dominion theology?
@@scenicrouteart
No, just mere Theonomy. Greg Bahnsen himself said one need not be postmil to accept theonomy.
Honest Question:
Is it possible Elijah might have asked the false prophets of baal "Is your god taking a SHIT?" when he was mocking them??..... Scripture does mention he was rather brash with them.
Yes. At least in my understanding.
@@robertknight3354 Absolutely. Reliving himself?
No. That's reading modern cultural bias into the text.
@@uview1 I have no modern cultural bias. I stay out of the modern culture. It is against God and all that is good.
@@deniseadkins2901 You live in this age don't you? Then you have bias. Whether you impose it or not reveals true righteousness.
I was just answering the question where modern profane vernacular was being used to translate scripture.
Can any machination of man actually/really destroy the GOSPEL OF CHRIST . . .really
SELAH
Brood of Vipers who warned you of the wrath to come!!! Name that verse?
I see alot of people here slamming these men. And yet John the Baptist told the religious leaders of the day they were like Satan. Is that being loving? I think there is a place for righteous anger, such as Jesus driving out the money changers with a whip of chords. Would it have been better if these guys went and punched the false teachers in the face? There is a place for tact, but in the end no matter how we share scripture some people will be offended. Christ told us this would happen.
Brother, you ARE NOT Ezekiel. You are not God. This is NOT the agrarian culture of the Old Testament.
Even scarier that your elders don't feel empowered enough to say bro, this is a bad idea. This is a series of posthoc rationalizations. Even James White was jaw dropped saying he wasn't righteous enough to say that fro.m the pulpit. Smh
People conflating Jeff's words with God's is unbelievable. From what I understand he consulted all of his elders except for White before he used it. Sadly, White didn't really call him out for it.
Durbin’s elders are scared of this pulpit bully.
Sharp language or cussing?
Enough with trying to defend Christians, much less Pastors, cussing.
What a stumbling block for not only the world but for Christians who would otherwise want to support this ministry.
I would gather my family up and immediately leave the room if I would have been there when Pastor Jeff said this.
Wow........you my man, need to get off your high horse.
@@caedmonnoeske3931 what hermeneutic are you using? Where do you get your theology from, a pastor's opinion or the Bible? Making an unbiblical argument to excuse a pastor you love and respect. I love and respect Paul Washer and John MacArthur, but the moment they started acting and talking like Durbin I would stop listening to them because they would be unqualified IF I take Timothy & Titus seriously. We all have the same struggle, will we obey and listen to God's word or not? No one is saying Jeff is a false preacher or non-Christian, but there are qualifications to the role of elder & pastor. Jeff isn't an apostle or prophet, Jeff can say "sl*t" and "Bull****" isn't profanity, but the f-word is profane and he's said it. This is the same reason why Ravi went so long unnoticed, no one wanted to call him out for what he was doing because he was viewed in an unhealthy manner.
@@elijah4840 You make some fair points my friend. But I would say that the idea of profanity in general is very arbitrary. Have you ever said "screw this" or "screw that"? Because it means the exact same thing as when I say "f**k this" or "f**k that." Have you ever said "dang"? What about "what the heck"? If you consistently try not to even use euphemisms for cuss words, then I have nothing but deep respect for you. But if you're only standard for bad language is that of society and culture, I'm going to, respectfully, keep cussing.
I also Iove Washer and Macarthur, and I doubt they'll adopt Jeff's style, so no worries there😂😂 God bless my friend!
@@caedmonnoeske3931 I understand your point, I do my best to reframe from euphemisms like those. I don't say "screw", I sometimes say "dang" more as a filler word when there's nothing else to say. Without going much into it, if you get mad and say "screw you", that's terrible! It's sin due to anger and maybe you can make a point for it being possibly profane. However, your idea of "profanity" being relative, while I understand the temptation to do so, is dangerous. The Bible discuses profanity, we as humans can try to make excuses and make logical arguments, but when you're disagreeing with the Bible... it's you that's wrong, every time. Every time I see someone justify their sin, there's a larger issue than that sin. The issue isn't just that you cuss, the greater issue is that you've allowed man's arguments to overrule the Bible. This is what happens when we read the Bible through the lenses of our theology. Let the Bible shape your theology and you won't use profanity. No pastor or great man of faith has been known for profanity, there's a reason for that.
A wise pastor once said curse words are a sign of ignorance. A person cusses to fill in when lacking the vocabulary to accurately express themselves.
I agree. I also see it being used as "Shock value." Even causing us to still be talking about it.
Right, but this was in a context where he accurately used the language the Bible was using for it’s time.
@@AFewPages So to defend the speaker, you indict Scripture yet you do not cite the verse? Try again.
Philippians 3:8
@@ihvepurpose1 If Phil 3:8 is the verse, one has to insert their own thoughts into the text to consider it profane writing. Paul is using a polite description (i.e. rubbish) of something offensive, distasteful or worthless.
There is no derogatory character context that could allude to a swear word. Also Paul would not fail to heed his own instruction in Ephesians 4:29; 5:4 "Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth..."
Thanks for the reference. But the problem points to the 'pastor'.
It just doesn't seem realistic. 25,000 more years?? Weren't we in the "last hour" in the first century? Where is the disconnect here?
Post-mil guys love the social gospel and creating heaven on Earth.
Culture is worship externalized. Worship death, darkness, and self (which the unregenerate self is a child of darkness) you get a majority of wicked America. Eventually, as Jesus continues to build His church and our right biblical worship of the One true God grows we will see a culture that is pure and purer.
Love it
Pastor, can Ya help.me with that passage about taking a man's work being a mom to taking his life.i am a handicapped ARMY SAPPER Veteran, and i now paralyzed. i have had many things (Much Worse) taken, but my legs are a rather obvious one, taking my ability to work. i learned many different aspects of and also Occupations as an Engineer, and in GOD'S rather Gracious Sovereign Providence. this -and much more- has all been Stripped From me, Praise HIS HOLY Name, YHWH YESHUA. That said, i am more alive than i have ever been! Maybe Ya can help me here, as i think We (some CHRISTians) are taking that 'a kin to' way to far.
God bless you for your service and sacrifice.
Ezekiel 23:20 (Complete Jewish Bible): "Yes, she (Jerusalem) lusted after their male prostitutes, whose members are like those of donkeys and who ejaculate like stallions." Wow, I had to find that Scripture because I didn't believe it. The KJV sure did keep me in the dark. SMH. I'm glad I'm reading other translations to study myself approved unto God. 😁
That's not true my brother is very intelligent he doesn't have a lack of intelligence because he cussed. I thank God for you brothers We need more Men of God like you two. Men of God are not to be soft when it comes to being a man.
The potential downfall of the American church > A "naughty" word
One more thing. Saying Jesus or Ezekiel used the same language or worse is just not true. Even the “member” ejaculate” stuff you mentioned do you see how it’s still veiled language? Very graphic; very strong but not profane. Hope you understand my point. Willing to admit I could be wrong. Love you guys!
What's a curse word?
I thought cursing was using the Lord’s name in vain, and cussing is cultural colloquialisms that are vulgar or derogatory.
@@donna3675 Hey that was a good definition. I asked the question to cause people to think. People get so upset over simple words that they often forget that most cuss words are not inherently bad themselves but only bad when people view them as such. Its a Romans 14 issue.
AT some point is Jeff going to be through with the tattoos?
Amillenialism and postmillenialism are pure nonsense, how do you interpret Zachariah 14: 16-17 ?
Actually the whole chapter annihilates both of those positions.
Yeah every time I read Zechariah 14 and Isaiah 65 I can't possibly think amil is true nor contemporary postmil, there must be a literal 1,000 years where the curse of sin is reversed, although not entirely.
Adherents to these two viewpoints of when Jesus Christ will return physically are earth minded carnal Christians who want to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a very long duration while basking in mankind’s accolades. The social gospel is paramount to them.
i guess Durbin missed the New Testament verses about No corrupt speech or cursing and our words being graceful and seasoned
But in context I think that means a daily corrupt speech we shouldn’t have.
@@josearchuleta227 so i guess it's okay from a pulpit?
@@toddcrant3754 I guess you should listen to the sermon he gave and then make a judgment. Did you listen to the entire explanation? Durbin doesn't cuss in common conversation. Judge correctly.
I guess you missed the time Paul used severe language in scripture itself.
@@toddcrant3754 Everything from The WORD Of GOD Is Absolutely "Okay from the Pulpit", It IS Commanded! You flat out [attempt to] make GOD a Liar.
The HOLY SPIRIT In the Apostles did Not Say unrighteous Things, and the Apostles, Speaking by The HOLY SPIRIT, Never Violate The Commands (or, one Command that y-o-u Falsely Accuse Brother Jeff of, therefore CHRIST of) that They Themselves Gave, as You just accused. Repent. What is Your motive here?
who ordained jeff
. . . and where did he get his seminary training? Did he attend seminary? I never hear him or anyone else referring to his theological education. That seems strange for someone who has teamed up with Dr. James White.
@@tedkijeski339 I read that he went to Whitefield seminary but the thing is who ordained him to be a pastor
@@bibleman7757 Thanks. I've probably asked this question a dozen times on line and you're the first person to provide some sort of answer.
@@tedkijeski339 do you wonder who ordained him to
@@bibleman7757 I assumed, since he started his own church, that he was not ordained.
Will someone please Man Up and help a Brother out with the taking of one's work, taking one's Life -i am a Paralyzed Veteran and no one wants to touch this with a gen foot pole; am i 'unClean; unClean', cor what YHWH Has Called Clean..! Laz.
I don’t understand what your saying. Joke./? Not joke. Serous.??
Why do all these theonomy guys have beards?
Cursing and using foul language is not CHRIST like. Nothing wrong with being righteously angry, however using profanity behind the pulpit is never to be used at all nor used anywhere as Believers. I say repent and truly walk with GOD daily. Just saying.
Don’t ever read the word out loud in it’s real language then. You’ll find God using all sorts of strong language
Christ told the Pharisees that their moms were snakes. He called the Samaritan woman, who wanted her daughter healed, a dog. Pastor Durbin didn't just off the cuff curse. It was planned and he did ask permission. He went through the correct channels. You need to repent for judging.
@@deniseadkins2901 I am not judging at all. The WORD OF GOD Judges not me. It amazes me though how quick you people use the term stop judging. The Bible clearly states my in numerous verses to not use profane language. My friend please read the HOLY BIBLE. Again the WORD OF GOD judges not me. You are so sadly mistaken.
Who did he get permission from? Don’t say GOD. GOD doesn’t permit that kind of language anywhere in the HOLY BIBLE. You my friend need to repent for accusing me of judging. Again I don’t judge, the WORD OF GOD does. Read your BIBLE. Just saying.
@@radjrjbd97 Watch the video. He was reading Scripture. The book of Ezekiel to be specific and applying it to BLM, LGBT and Abortion. Watch the video before judging. I did. Ezekiel made his point about this and many things.
When Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth, he meant the eternal earth that will exist with no evil and no devil/demons as they will be in the lake of fire. Postmill is nothing but dominionism. No scriptures back it up. The thing is what are these people going to do when their takeover of the world doesn’t work? Jesus can come back and in 1 second cast all the demons into hell that are affecting the world and there will be no evil instantly. He doesn’t need someone to set something up for Him down here, he just needs people to share the gospel. Then JD says what if Jesus comes back in 25000 years? No man knows and speculation is ridiculous. Jesus can come whenever the Father says go. The days should be lived, according to Jesus Himself, as if He could come back at any time.
Anybody (preterist, amillennialist, postmillennialist) who denies the Lord Jesus Christ His long prophecized Kingdom Reign on Earth ought to be ashamed of himself.
Not math in the new earth😩😩😩
Who did he curse? No one at all. We need to consider the literal meaning of the descriptive words we use. I prefer the term "sharp words".
Granted, some 4 letter words can in fact be used to curse someone, some are just not culturally acceptable, and make a good Christian blush. Then again, most things in the Bible, if actually read in their entirety would make a good Christian blush as well. Sometimes things with sharp edges are more useful to cut with than a verbal " butter knife".
On the other hand I don't think we should go around casually swinging a battle axe (especially if we aren't intending to precisely hit a specific target.)
Overall, what Durbin did was a brilliant, mature and calculated use of a sharp tool and some just can't fathom that precious 11th commandment being violated. Clearly, he hit his target. Some just don't like the fact that a good Christian can bear verbal arms.
He didn't curse anyone. He used unwholesome language - which the bible tells us not to do. It has nothing to do with the "11th" commandment, it has to do with a biblical commandment. Stop excusing a brother's sin. You don't fight for God by disobeying God.
By what standard is the word "bullshit" an unwholesome word, in and of itself?
@@contextforchrist2395 By God's standard
@@ethan9868 You're going to have to be specific. When did God say, "Thou shall not use the word 'bullshit' in any setting"?
@@ethan9868 In Galatians when Paul addresses those who are distorting the Gospel with circumcision (kind of like how certain church leaders are distorting the Gospel with social justice and wokeness), Paul says, "I wish those who trouble you would cut themselves off", in other words "would cut off their balls". Now I ask you, is that unwholesome talk from Paul?
Was it unwholesome talk when God told Israel, "You lusted after your lovers whose genitals (dicks) are like that of donkeys and who ejaculate like horses"?
One can be harsh with someone without using cuss words. The phrase "whose members are like those of donkeys and who ejaculate like stallions" is graphic, but is that the same as cussing?
I'm sorry Jeff, I love your sermons, all of them except for this statement. But all of this is to defend cursing. This is wrong, it's defending sin because it is a curse word no matter how we look at it. It's a major stumbling block as well. It doesn't matter what the world is pushing, we don't have the right to use their profanity to defend the Bible, it doesn't make sense.
Hearing that word was not a stumbling block for me. What is a huge stumbling block for me are pastor, good solid pastors encouraging BLM and the woke movement. We left a church because of that. This brought so much confusion and heartache because we loved our pastor. This pastor would encourage going out in 2020 to protest but church was closed. This is a stumbling block not a curse word. Durbin doesn’t have a habit of speaking this way. I don’t know him personally but I will say despite how immensely busy he is, he answers my questions, when I contact him and prays for my family.
I just would not write him off with all the wisdom and work he has done for Christ. I look at myself before I judge and I praise God I don’t have a holier then thou attitude with any believe.
@@HugoGonzalez-wz8jg how do u know hat he does alone
Bible man, I’m sure he doesn’t know what Jeff does when alone but I’ll bet ya that the other elders would discover very quickly if recurring sin was in place and deal with it appropriately. That is why a body of believers is vitally important with elders in place. Accountability is vital.
@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc i doubt that his elders would never go against him
Doubt away but if you know just James White you would change your tune. Why the perceived animosity toward Durbin?
You are comparing the words of Jesus to the profanity you chose and asked permission from your elders to use in the sermon? Pastor Durbin, please. The question that should be asked is were you under the power and presence of the Holy Spirit when you spoke that word? If you were it is a moot issue, if not the prayer should be that the words would fall harmlessly to the ground.
Please Jeff just like the apostle Paul had to reboot, Peter and his sin. Hopefully Paul can rebuke you in yours of using profane language in a sermon, but I do believe you are a brother in Christ. I see you do love the word of God you preach it well your theology is strong and biblical, but I think you use your Christian liberties way too much and it could bring a weak Christian into sin…Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
James 3:10
From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.
Ephesians 5:4
Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
Remember people, words are just words. Context in which the words are being used is what matters.
Wrong. What a stupid comment.
Had a guy come to our church and he blasphemed more than once during his talk, and he is supposed to bring apostolic input ! What ever that is ! I won’t listen to him ever again, no swearing please, find an alternative way to put your point across!
Man, when Durbin said b####### my head dropped and all I could think was yet another strip against the professing church. A slip up in a moment of high emotions would be bad enough but we are still in the flesh. But to have profanity scripted, thoughtfully inserted into a sermon/message as it seemed to be. That's w strip against the message of Christ.
I’d rather hear profanity used in a biblically sound message than hear no profanity in a message that is heresy. What is the message, that is the question. If we are in the pursuit of the truth that is found in the Bible than we would not be packed off by the ways of this world, and we would have the balls to reject and rebuke the godless deception that is infiltrating our society. Every knee shall bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is lord
God doesn't need your obscenity.
Wow someone that talks more than Jeff 😂😂😂 JK
Cursing or using cuss words?
iirc he said “sh*t” during a sermon to refer to feces. i’m assuming it started some controversy
@ogloc6308 I meant is cursing that is spoken of in the Bible referring to "bad words" or is it actually speaking curses?
I believe you are teaching Kingdom now theology or Dominion theology they are both one and the same and it is a false teaching the Bible tells us clearly the church the bride is taken.. caught up by Jesus and we meet him in the air and we will be forever with him and when he returns the bride of Christ returns with him.. the tribulation is coming the wrath of God upon the I'm believing world and we those who truly believe in the truth of the word of God and faith in Jesus Christ who is the word of God do not go through the wrath of God...Jesus will come back he will rule reign before the thousand years it is after a thousand years that the new heavens and the new Earth are given to us by God and is that that time that all things are put under his feet the Bible tells us clearly the word of God States that this world the whole world is under the sway of the wicked one and that would be Satan.. all true believers know the word of God there's nothing private there's no private interpretation it is there for us to read and study and to know if you truly believe in Jesus the holy spirit will lead us into all truth Bible states that clearly and the Bible also tells us Jesus told us himself that in these days in the end times they were be many false teachers preachers and pastors and that many would be deceived and the word many means many so be very cautious who you listen to or teaching you adhere to ...know the word of God study it as we are living in the end times the last days ... the end of the last days we are to be ready watching and waiting for a blessed hope and that is for the bride the body of Christ the true bride to be taken out before the wrath of God is poured out on this horribly sinful world...
Bulls**t isn't even strong language 😂😂
is that why you censored it? Is the f-word considered "strong language", because Jeff has said that too. It's cool that "strong language" has become a relative thing because now Jeff really can't commit profanity as long as he has some sort of excuse, even if it's unbiblical at best and heretical at worst
Stupidest things I've read all day. Is that why you censored the word?
I'd rather a pastor curse at the Godless arguments raised against the knowledge of God, then do what weak leaders like Jon Piper are currently doing - carrying water for the political left who clearly hate him and his God.
I love pastor Jeff and I think he is a blessing to the church at large. But I don’t see how he can defend using profanity. Strong language? Absolutely, like Ezekiel 16. One of the most powerful vivid passages of the Bible. Let those words speak for themselves and stay away from what most would consider modern profanity. I will be praying for Jeff and everyone at Apologia. Seriously, love you guys but I don’t think there is any scriptural validation for the use of a word like B***s***. Read Ezekiel 16, great, say everything else (it was great) but shy from trying to be shocking for the sake of trying to wake up the woke.
He’s good on some stuff. But.. just like todays Christian.. reading the bike with 21st century eyes..
like your elders would ever go against you
ENOUGH OF YOUR EXCUSES
I think the major problem I have with Theonomy is that under Jewish Law, the woman caught in adultery should be rightfully stoned. Yet; as Jesus convicts the hearts of the men in judgement of her, of their own wickedness, she is spared from death. Jesus never condemned the law; but only illuminated the equality in our own wretchedness. So, according to Theonomy; the adulterous woman would find death; while introspection from the reflection of Christ allowed her to find grace. How will sinful men judge sinners of sin when they are guilty of it all; per James? Unless they too become the same hypocrites the religious ruling class of that day were. Christ was perfect, and could of rightfully stoned her in his perfection; instead he chose to pass on the law of the letter for the law of love. Theonomists; either stone your daughter who is not a virgin on their wedding day; or quit the charade. If Gods law is the standard, it starts today. Not when the laws of the land agree with you. Choose this day whom you will serve; are you willing not only to kill your non-virgin, non-Christian child or wife? Or, are you just cherry picking which civil laws keep you out of jail? Get out of here with this charade. Get out of here with this Gods law is supreme. None of you believe it, or you would be living it now; regardless of the consequences; or how crazy the world calls you. In your theological framework; your life is still more important than Gods Law; for even Peter and John said "Consider it among yourselves; whom should I be obedient to? God or man?" But let me guess, its all part of the master plan? Or "discernment" Or "wisdom? If you want to see the change, be the change. None of you have picked up a stone, not a single one. You may think you are Joshua and Caleb, but instead you are the rest saying "but we are grasshoppers in their sight." And, because of your cowardice; not trusting in the God who took Israel out of Egypt; your theology will die in the wilderness. Its a whole lot of talk, a whole lot of pseudo-sophistication; but no action. The Mosaic Law was enforced by blood, by action. If America is your Promised Land, pick up your literal weapons and take it, or shut up already. Geesh.
_"I think the major problem I have with Theonomy is that under Jewish Law, the woman caught in adultery should be rightfully stoned."_
Sorry, but there are legal issues with that verdict. The Law says she isn't to be stoned alone, both guilty parties are to be stoned together. Where is the man?
_"So, according to Theonomy; the adulterous woman would find death..."_
No, the case doesn't meet the legal requirement for the death sentence. You can't commit adultery by yourself, it takes two to tango for a sin like that. That there isn't a man on trial with her indicates either that the trial is a sham. There are some indications that the men she slept with were in the crowd trying to stone her. Jesus is pointing out that the way they conducted the trial is sinful as it violates God's law.
And once the crowd dispersed, Jesus couldn't legally condemn her as at best he is just one witness.
_"Theonomists; either stone your daughter who is not a virgin on their wedding day; or quit the charade."_
That would be unlawful. Plus, that's not what the law says. In fact, marriage was one of the remedies of premarital sex. Have you actually read the Bible? You sound like you just know the stereotypes.
_"If Gods law is the standard, it starts today."_
Today? Theonomists already try to live their lives in accordance to all God has commanded. But God's law distinguishes between personal morality, sins that the church has remedy for, and civil crimes for which the state is the only remedy. Theonomists obey God's division of the law; but you want them to break God's law by taking matters into their own hands.
You should learn what the Law actually says if you want to allege inconsistencies in Theonomists.
don't like durbin. I'm tellin ya something ain't right about him. Something not good. disclaimer: I'm a sinner just like all of us.
Can you articulate why you don’t like him?
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like I said, something ain't right
proud jeff can't repent
For what?
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Durbin’s mentor is ROFLOL
A calvanist worried about apostasy...
You are not a Christian.
Calvinism is heresy. Dr. James White is a prominent Calvinist who relocated to Tempe Arizona to join Jeff Durbin’s church and both “Christian” frequent pubs to discuss Bible topics over glasses of beer, smoke cigars, etc.
This is foul. I wouldn’t expect anything else from heretics.
Jeff is dancing. He's lying. He's trying to justify his cursing using the word for BS - as some lofty, holy, divine purpose in his weak sermon... when it was just him going raw in his speech front of an audience thinking it would give him street cred in front of them by doing his best impersonation of Driscoll.
I can't believe Joel is letting him go unchallenged on this.
Lightweights...
Durbin is very smart and active and also obnoxiously arrogant. Definitely sends mixed signals.
When a rogue pastor Steven Anderson called Jeff Durbin Jeff Dirtbag, it’s akin to the kettle calling the teapot black. Satan’s helpers hating each other.
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is definitely not the poster boy for Christians to emulate.
"The hope of postmillennialism, particularly in its "Christian Reconstruction" form, is a "Jewish dream." This was the express judgment of the early Reformed creed, the Second Helvetic Confession (A.D. 1566):
We further condemn Jewish dreams that there will be a golden age on earth before the Day of judgment, and that the pious, having subdued all their godless enemies, will possess all the kingdoms of the earth. For evangelical truth in Matt. chs. 24 and 25, and Luke, ch. 18 and the apostolic teaching in II Thess., ch. 2, and II Tim., chs. 3 and 4, present something quite different
(Chap. 11, in Reformed Confessions of the 16th Century, ed. Arthur C. Cochrane, Westminster Press, 1966).
The carnal kingdom of postmillennialism, particularly as painted by "Christian Reconstruction," is exactly the kind of Messianic kingdom dreamed and desired by the Jews in the days of Christ's earthly ministry. This was what the Jews of John 6 wanted: Christ as the king of an earthly kingdom and a temporal future bright with the prospect of political power and earthly glory. The damning judgment upon postmillennialism by the Second Helvetic Confession reflected the theology of the early Reformers, Luther and Calvin, as well as Bullinger, author of the creed. More importantly, it is the stand of the confessions that bind Reformed and Presbyterian churches and Christians today."PROF. ENGLESMA - Puritan Board
Are we sure that Premil isn't what is being condemned here? That seems to be how most people interpret that section, and the idea of an earthly kingdom with Christ at its head is common in Premil and Dispy thought, but the opposite of the Postmil positions and the related Amil position.
Does Englesma think preaching the Gospel is carnal? Because Postmil's claim is that God will bless the faithful preaching of the gospel with conversion. It isn't "carnal" in the way the Bible uses that word, that is, it isn't through warfare or forced conversion or politics or anything like worldly means.
Christ is king now and his kingdom is the Church, and the weapons of warfare of the Church is the preaching of the Word. To accuse Postmil of some carnal earthly kingdom is to reveal one has no idea what Postmil teaches.
It should be noted that two of Calvinism’s heretics Voddie Baucham (an ammillenialist) and Doug Wilson (a postmillenialist) are stealthily misleading their many audiences.