If Blizzard says "when you complete a masterwork each stat increases 5%" they should ask the players what they think would happen. If the game mechanics don't do what the players think then they should either change the mechanic, or change the words. Diablo 4 shouldn't require this level of testing of the descriptions. That said love ya buddy! Thanks again for the explanations and the work you do for us.
Tempering and masterworking in this game is absolute garbage.. I dont even bother with it gambling to get the gear i want is not fun and makes me not wanna play the game half the time.
Not only does it not say this. It says it works exactly how you'd think it works (stacking multiplication), which it doesn't. It's either a massive miscommunication or a terribly coded math bug.
I was going to masterwork a full set of gear with life per second, I did the math and realized that if I crit 3 times on all 3 pieces I would still only have 2100 life per second, even with skulls and healing received % it would take nearly 30 seconds to fully heal my rogue. Life per second is worse than garbage.
Life on hit really falls off in wt3 and 4, you'd have to invest in it heavily and get a loooooot of hits to have any meaningful healing, personally it should be buffed a little@@edvaedan9161
I knew the 5% was always based on the original value of the roll. I also knew they got the greater affix number by the base roll + 50%. Didn't know about the greater affix upgrades not going off the total roll value. Good video!
This is HUGE. Thank you so much for doing all the work on this and sharing this golden info. It's definitely going to help me a ton with which stat to focus on for Masterworking.
So always before you even start masterworking a decent or strong item, you want to make sure to have the best possible base stats enchanted and tempered, even if it's getting super costly and/ or risking it getting bricked? For example I have very good stats on my golem necro, not perfect, but good. I pump basically potential millions of gold into it to get perfect base stat and my tempers gave me 2x my desired stuff, but with kinda midly rolls. 3 temper tries are left. What do you do now with this item? Going to risk a temper slot for a higher roll, before starting to masterwork? Or let it just be? Also, what happens then when you decide to risk the temper rolls later, after the masterworking to lets say rank 8? Will the temper roll show up the base stats of that roll( basically reseted) or is it going off of the already pushed numbers by the masterworking. This system is not rigged, it's bricked... plus made up by a genius devil xD
So at the end of it all, if I got this right, upgrading the 92%, we get a bonus 6% total at the end of it all? as in ((80*1.2*1.25)+40)+92=252 if you upgrade greater vs (92*1.2*1.25)+120=258.
nice vid! realized some numbers were off for GA but I just didn't have it in me to dive deeper in and find out the cause. made a formula just in case anyone's interested Base + Base [(0.05 (M-T)) + 0.25C] **GA - multiply final value by 1.5 M - masterwork level T - Tier of masterwork completed C - stat crit times edit: corrected one in comment this is only for pure numbers, for passives its another story of legendary vs uniques.
GJ on the equation. Though there is 1 correction needed. GA only applies to the base value. Not the final value. So your equation would just add .5 * Base Value if it is GA.
@@Xarrio ops my bad. Thanks for the feedback! Corrected version would be the same, just a tweak to GA multiplication Base (if GA x 1.5) + Base [(0.05 (M-T)) + 0.25C] M - masterwork level T - Tier of masterwork completed C - stat crit times
So master working is split into two seperate additive bonuses that multiply. The 1.05 multipliers add up to a 1.45 multiplier and the 1.25 add up to a 1.75 multiplier. You then multiply your base roll by 1.45, then 1.75 then add (base roll•1.5)? So Base Roll • 1.45 • 1.75 + (Base Roll •1.5) is our equation for finding perfect Masterwork stats?
I started developing my character after watching your video. I have now cleared pit 124 on the 9th day and am challenging pit 130. I will prove that your build is excellent by clearing up to pit 130.
Has this been tested on ga items like base stat or flat numbers as well? Just curious if its for % base stats only or is just all stats across the board work like this.. If so this is something that 100% needs changed and actually goes against the power scaleing of what the ga+mw for end game are supposed to accomplish
So really you want to focus on max rolls that are non greater affixes to upgrade instead of the lower rolls correct? Obviously GA will provide more overall stat, but for raw number upgrade better roll = more?
Maybe I fell asleep, but when you masterwork, you don't even get a chance to decide what is upgraded, do you? And for this example, I would think his weapon would have double % vulnerable damage.
I would ask it here in case someone knows the kinda related answer. I made firekuna sorc. In chest it have flame shield ranks GA and tempering in flame shield duration. It came in with 12/12 on flame shield duration. How could I know if that tempering is better to being rolled on the skill rank GA itself or the duration?
"The basics of percentages are usually introduced around ages 8-9, in the late Lower Elementary years." Diablo 4 players : No one would believe this mechanic works like this, those maths are so intricated :O
Curious now, what does it mean if a chest armor with GA max life has lower item power gets masterworked? Since it wont usually have the highest base roll of maxlife
We still dont know how Affixes / Masterwork stats being applied to the final output. Is it possible that for example Affixes has a 1.5 weight against MW stats at the end? Would be cool to make a Video about that too, with some test. Great Vid btw, ty 👌👏
I'm just going to assume the 92 wins, because that's the base value of the affix. While masterworking a Greater Affix (which is already boosted by 50%) is increasing a lower base value. So it's actually an upgrade choice between 92% and ~80%. so the 92% gives an additional 23% total damage, where as the Greater would only increase by 20. Now.. let's see if I'm actually right and it's just Blizzard math. Edit: Yep, exactly as I thought lol.
The only thing I ever reset a lot is Grand Father. Was worth it since I got lucky after 150m gold and got a triple crit on max life. I probably would have saved a shit ton of gold If I waited for the patch to gamble tho :(
I got real lucky with my bow - double crit on the tempered vuln and last crit on the native GA vuln. Unfortunately, you pay for it in kind - I bricked countless GA equipment including amulets with + rank Exploit/ Malice and GA vuln 1H weapons before managing a barely passable roll on the bow.
I've matched all the items and followed the optimization build like you did, but 100th tier boss doesn't die at once Dex2790 lucky hit 56 cc damage 985% what's the problem
What really sucks is the very last upgrade and it not landing on what you wanted. I’m burnt out on the game now and haven’t touched it because I’m tired of running pit for those legendary mats.
Wow, not only are the 5% increases NOT compounding, but the GA is ignored and a one time addition to the base value? Ouch. That'll definitely change my views when masterworking. Thank you
Really helpful video thanks! Can you explain how it works with ranks to skills? I masterworked both a necklace with ranks and a necklace with GA ranks and both times those affixes got upgraded the ranks didn’t change or improve at all! What a ripoff
For legendaries with skills, GA, each Crit MW, and 12/12 will upgrade the skill +1 eventually. lt may not upgrade immediately on the crit MW, but it will upgrade at some time by the time you get to 12/12. For example, a +2 skill will be +3 with a GA, will become +4 with 12/12 and with 2 MW crits, it will become +6 by the time you get to 12/12. The exact upgrade rank at which it will increase can be determined, but it is a little bit more complicated to figure out (Wudijo did a good video on it if you want to check it out, or just go on maxroll and use the builder to see when it'll upgrade).
Geeez, ty for that!! I did the math so many times, but obviously never checked the result 😬. Probably because I replaced the item or stopped master working when it would have become obvious 😅
Could u make a vid on how , chance to cast twice works ? Like in rouge has 3 weapons that can have affix , chance to to cast twice . Like lets say 50% on my main to cast twice 25% and 25% on my swords . Do they stack to make a total of 100% to cast twice ? Or is each weapon treated as a its own potential lucky hit poc . And how much lucky hit makes makes sence to take to take on ur gear .
One thing I learned about D4 is they overly complicate things and what you "think" is best, go with the opposite. They could easily put in a tooltip showing you what your next potential rolls would look like for the majority of their userbase. 90% of us are guaranteed clueless to these numbers, including me.
I knew all about this already. GA doesn’t count on masterwork. And for skills it’s for the most part +1 = 30%. But the real answer for the first question is E) Upgrade Heartseeker. I mean I’ll take 2xC as well, if I’m real lucky
Also one more question, your amulet even at the starter level on the build planner is very hard to get what other stats would you say would help with the build ?
I mean at this point I think the correct move for the diablo team would be to just pay Xarrio and all the other content creators for finding bugs and reverse engineering how this spaghetti code is working. Also, can't we have something working as intended for once lol?!
At least this makes more sense than damage buckets (which I still don't understand, because I haven't gone outside of the game to try to discover how they work [and shouldn't have to]).😳
Yeah noticed this myself the other day because I had a GA stat with 180 and didnt see it improve by 9 points, instead saw an improvement of 6, so I figured the GA stats were about being a 1.5x multiplier of some base value and that masterworking would not consider final value, only base one Too bad these things are not informed, you kinda have to guess and test it yourself
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Holy crap, this can’t possibly be intended. Bliz screwing up again?
@Xarrio Nice Video , i wanna know how to fix Fenris Game Crushing, if u could help would be really nice !
Today I learned that masterworking can be quite the expensive habit.
And that i go for the wrong stat 😂
@@HasturLaVishnu Ya... I did the same originally until I figured this out, which inspired me to make this vid.
No
If Blizzard says "when you complete a masterwork each stat increases 5%" they should ask the players what they think would happen. If the game mechanics don't do what the players think then they should either change the mechanic, or change the words.
Diablo 4 shouldn't require this level of testing of the descriptions.
That said love ya buddy! Thanks again for the explanations and the work you do for us.
Welcome in thr world of Blizzard.
i agree this needs to changed kinda stupid
Who cares? You don't choose which stats get upgrades when masterworking. What difference does it make?
@@mrtoothless you do though. If it dosent upgrade The stat you want, you reset The MW until ut lands on the stat you want.
@@mrtoothless 75% of the time you know what stat you'll get.
Normally my good items brick before I get to this part of the game.
😂
Ha - all I was thinking too
We all been there.
Tempering needs a slight buff of some sort, not too much tho
Tempering and masterworking in this game is absolute garbage.. I dont even bother with it gambling to get the gear i want is not fun and makes me not wanna play the game half the time.
Should we repot this as a "bug" because no where in game says that it should be calculated this way.
Not only does it not say this. It says it works exactly how you'd think it works (stacking multiplication), which it doesn't. It's either a massive miscommunication or a terribly coded math bug.
I def think the GA should be upgraded fully, not based on the base value.
already reported definitely dont need this headache it says 5% upgrade. so its should be a mf 5% upgrade
@@Fleebussit is a 5% upgrade
I dont think its a bug, that works like that from base stat not from GA stat
I was going to masterwork a full set of gear with life per second, I did the math and realized that if I crit 3 times on all 3 pieces I would still only have 2100 life per second, even with skulls and healing received % it would take nearly 30 seconds to fully heal my rogue.
Life per second is worse than garbage.
Yeah I realized that when I had a 25 life per hit with my 100000 hp barb
Worst affix, always roll it off
it's a great stat for early -> mid-game leveling at least, a couple rolls on random gear and you'll heal your life in
@@rangeispow its never a great stat…(mid) game stats can all be ignored tbh
Life on hit really falls off in wt3 and 4, you'd have to invest in it heavily and get a loooooot of hits to have any meaningful healing, personally it should be buffed a little@@edvaedan9161
I knew the 5% was always based on the original value of the roll. I also knew they got the greater affix number by the base roll + 50%. Didn't know about the greater affix upgrades not going off the total roll value. Good video!
Our favorite math professor has returned
This is HUGE. Thank you so much for doing all the work on this and sharing this golden info. It's definitely going to help me a ton with which stat to focus on for Masterworking.
So always before you even start masterworking a decent or strong item, you want to make sure to have the best possible base stats enchanted and tempered, even if it's getting super costly and/ or risking it getting bricked?
For example I have very good stats on my golem necro, not perfect, but good. I pump basically potential millions of gold into it to get perfect base stat and my tempers gave me 2x my desired stuff, but with kinda midly rolls. 3 temper tries are left. What do you do now with this item? Going to risk a temper slot for a higher roll, before starting to masterwork? Or let it just be? Also, what happens then when you decide to risk the temper rolls later, after the masterworking to lets say rank 8? Will the temper roll show up the base stats of that roll( basically reseted) or is it going off of the already pushed numbers by the masterworking.
This system is not rigged, it's bricked... plus made up by a genius devil xD
Bro, you need more subs and I’m hype for that journey. Such good stuff!!
So at the end of it all, if I got this right, upgrading the 92%, we get a bonus 6% total at the end of it all? as in ((80*1.2*1.25)+40)+92=252 if you upgrade greater vs (92*1.2*1.25)+120=258.
I’m “double guessing” myself as to how I subscribed to a dude giving us a multiple choice question to start the video.
nice vid! realized some numbers were off for GA but I just didn't have it in me to dive deeper in and find out the cause.
made a formula just in case anyone's interested
Base + Base [(0.05 (M-T)) + 0.25C]
**GA - multiply final value by 1.5
M - masterwork level
T - Tier of masterwork completed
C - stat crit times
edit: corrected one in comment
this is only for pure numbers, for passives its another story of legendary vs uniques.
GJ on the equation. Though there is 1 correction needed. GA only applies to the base value. Not the final value. So your equation would just add .5 * Base Value if it is GA.
Totally wrong! watchout from those bullshit formulas xD
@@Xarrio ops my bad. Thanks for the feedback!
Corrected version would be the same, just a tweak to GA multiplication
Base (if GA x 1.5) + Base [(0.05 (M-T)) + 0.25C]
M - masterwork level
T - Tier of masterwork completed
C - stat crit times
Thanks for the vid..i just got your poison rouge up to 100 last night..im now master working gear on him..
So master working is split into two seperate additive bonuses that multiply. The 1.05 multipliers add up to a 1.45 multiplier and the 1.25 add up to a 1.75 multiplier. You then multiply your base roll by 1.45, then 1.75 then add (base roll•1.5)? So Base Roll • 1.45 • 1.75 + (Base Roll •1.5) is our equation for finding perfect Masterwork stats?
I started developing my character after watching your video.
I have now cleared pit 124 on the 9th day and am challenging pit 130.
I will prove that your build is excellent by clearing up to pit 130.
Nice Grats! I've made it up to T122 w/ a close T123. Did you make any significant changes to the build?
@@Xarrio Some modifications have been made to the Paragon board.
@@Xarrio This is a 124pit clear video. ruclips.net/video/AONj0E6Uq14/видео.html
@@Xarrio ruclips.net/video/AONj0E6Uq14/видео.htmlsi=wPhYTdxyD-BkCqTj (pit124 clear video.)
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Your videos are so helpful - thank you!
I never would have guessed or realized that.
Thanks bro I was trying to figure if they changed maths! Instant sub!
Has this been tested on ga items like base stat or flat numbers as well? Just curious if its for % base stats only or is just all stats across the board work like this.. If so this is something that 100% needs changed and actually goes against the power scaleing of what the ga+mw for end game are supposed to accomplish
It is the same for all stats. But yes, it definitely makes GA not nearly as powerful as people think it is.
Which amulet option would you choose : “ exploit+2, frig+2”, lucky chance%” or “Deadly venom+2, frig+2, lucky chance%” ?
I got over 2000 hrs of play time and never imagine that. Awesome work.
So really you want to focus on max rolls that are non greater affixes to upgrade instead of the lower rolls correct? Obviously GA will provide more overall stat, but for raw number upgrade better roll = more?
Diablo 4 is a great game. Every day I learn something interesting. It's like a show Dora the Explorer.
Nice! Thanks for the vid! I'm going back and changing a few items now.
Where do you find the base percetage and the GA value percentages?
I thought you didn’t get to pick which stat? I’ve only added levels to a unique so far though.
What if i even can not get this 92% vurn? All i get is +40~50 to damage or other stuff and then throw to trash my 2star bows!
Very informative. Thanks for the clarification always appreciate your work
I thought this was a joke and you were trolling, but you did the math and it checks out. Hey, thank you very much.
Amazing, thanks for the info and thorough explanation!
Instant like and subscribed :-)
Wow appreciate this. Didn't know this
Maybe I fell asleep, but when you masterwork, you don't even get a chance to decide what is upgraded, do you? And for this example, I would think his weapon would have double % vulnerable damage.
How you write 4s starting from the right and sometimes from the bottom up is making my eye twitch lol
I would ask it here in case someone knows the kinda related answer.
I made firekuna sorc. In chest it have flame shield ranks GA and tempering in flame shield duration.
It came in with 12/12 on flame shield duration. How could I know if that tempering is better to being rolled on the skill rank GA itself or the duration?
Dude!! Ty for the highest value info! God bless you 😊!!
Appreciate the righteous education.
I thought Buriza Do Kyanon was a crossbow? Maybe that was in a Warcraft universe
It's a crossbow in Diablo 2, 3 and 4 and pretty much Blizzard has been consistent with its appearance throught all the three games
Great video. Do you think that you can explain the resident points? I get 50% penalties all the time and have hard to focus at the games all aspects 😬
"The basics of percentages are usually introduced around ages 8-9, in the late Lower Elementary years."
Diablo 4 players : No one would believe this mechanic works like this, those maths are so intricated :O
How do you manage to write this well with a mouse? That's crazy
So how do you get it to not roll on the useless ones 15 times in a row 😑
Get new item and cry 😢
@@Knowledge.to_Come so my only option is cry 😭
@@addamriley5452 we are crying together
I could cry too, I'm coming with 😢
Rumor is when you watch my vids it increases the odds of getting the good ones. So you should be good to go now.
Curious now, what does it mean if a chest armor with GA max life has lower item power gets masterworked? Since it wont usually have the highest base roll of maxlife
The upgrade percents are additiv that was clear for me all the time. But the GA must be a bug right?
Awesome Vid! Keep making em
Thanks heaps mang. Quick question: does this logic follow for skill ranks?
Does it still upgrade the base number on rolls 5-8, and 9-12 also?
Yes, always the base number.
We still dont know how Affixes / Masterwork stats being applied to the final output. Is it possible that for example Affixes has a 1.5 weight against MW stats at the end? Would be cool to make a Video about that too, with some test. Great Vid btw, ty 👌👏
Great content, thanks for sharing.
Thanks shared to clan + liked + subscribed. Nice finding
is it worth rerolling an neck week after week to get exploit on a good neck?
I'm just going to assume the 92 wins, because that's the base value of the affix. While masterworking a Greater Affix (which is already boosted by 50%) is increasing a lower base value.
So it's actually an upgrade choice between 92% and ~80%. so the 92% gives an additional 23% total damage, where as the Greater would only increase by 20.
Now.. let's see if I'm actually right and it's just Blizzard math.
Edit: Yep, exactly as I thought lol.
Thanks for sharing, that's good to know !
If it hits, it hits. Im not getting any better lol.
The only thing I ever reset a lot is Grand Father. Was worth it since I got lucky after 150m gold and got a triple crit on max life. I probably would have saved a shit ton of gold If I waited for the patch to gamble tho :(
Subbed for this video. Very good info.
I got real lucky with my bow - double crit on the tempered vuln and last crit on the native GA vuln. Unfortunately, you pay for it in kind - I bricked countless GA equipment including amulets with + rank Exploit/ Malice and GA vuln 1H weapons before managing a barely passable roll on the bow.
I've matched all the items and followed the optimization build like you did, but 100th tier boss doesn't die at once Dex2790 lucky hit 56 cc damage 985% what's the problem
Is the MaxRoll link updated?
Thanks man. Super useful.
What really sucks is the very last upgrade and it not landing on what you wanted. I’m burnt out on the game now and haven’t touched it because I’m tired of running pit for those legendary mats.
Yea tempering and masterworking is just trash and ruins the game for me i hate gambling to make my gear better its just a garbage system.
Did they do this for balancing or because they like screwing with us??
So it's [Base Stat * (1 + MW bonus + GA bonus)]. In this case for the first MW roll it's [80 * (1 + .05 + .5) = 124]. Good to know!
Wow, not only are the 5% increases NOT compounding, but the GA is ignored and a one time addition to the base value? Ouch. That'll definitely change my views when masterworking. Thank you
Another banger
Really helpful video thanks! Can you explain how it works with ranks to skills? I masterworked both a necklace with ranks and a necklace with GA ranks and both times those affixes got upgraded the ranks didn’t change or improve at all! What a ripoff
For legendaries with skills, GA, each Crit MW, and 12/12 will upgrade the skill +1 eventually. lt may not upgrade immediately on the crit MW, but it will upgrade at some time by the time you get to 12/12. For example, a +2 skill will be +3 with a GA, will become +4 with 12/12 and with 2 MW crits, it will become +6 by the time you get to 12/12. The exact upgrade rank at which it will increase can be determined, but it is a little bit more complicated to figure out (Wudijo did a good video on it if you want to check it out, or just go on maxroll and use the builder to see when it'll upgrade).
@@Xarrio great info ty
Can you do a video on 100% dodge and how good/bad it is for PvE/PvP?
Geeez, ty for that!! I did the math so many times, but obviously never checked the result 😬. Probably because I replaced the item or stopped master working when it would have become obvious 😅
Great explanation thank you for the video!
Awesome thanks again. Have you thought about or already made a community discord ?
Could u make a vid on how , chance to cast twice works ? Like in rouge has 3 weapons that can have affix , chance to to cast twice . Like lets say 50% on my main to cast twice 25% and 25% on my swords . Do they stack to make a total of 100% to cast twice ? Or is each weapon treated as a its own potential lucky hit poc . And how much lucky hit makes makes sence to take to take on ur gear .
I think it stacks. I have 85% HS on Bow and 30% on 1 sword and I always shoot 2 HS arrows.
They a stack together
I didn't think they stacked the way you mean it. I thought they were treated as individual procs.
@@PseudoNym100 nah they add together up to 100%
I don’t have the option to reset the masterwork on XBOX.
Yes you do. Put an item in to get masterworked and press Y
Thank you mate - solid explanation my man
now how about the +2 to skill hows that work on masterworking
Got me. Made the same mistake assuming a GA 120 vuln. masterworked up would give more... temper op.
E) Try to feel good about whatever the RNG gods give you.
Fuck you’re a legend. This is huge information and so annoying that this isnt basic common knowledge that someone needs to do all this wild testing
I guess I’m totally newb but how do you get 63k attack and 26k Hp?!
One thing I learned about D4 is they overly complicate things and what you "think" is best, go with the opposite. They could easily put in a tooltip showing you what your next potential rolls would look like for the majority of their userbase. 90% of us are guaranteed clueless to these numbers, including me.
This was really helpful, thank you.
Thank you, I learned something very useful
Now to make decisions based of this, only for a patch to rollout that changes this to how it's supposed to be...
I knew all about this already. GA doesn’t count on masterwork. And for skills it’s for the most part +1 = 30%.
But the real answer for the first question is E) Upgrade Heartseeker. I mean I’ll take 2xC as well, if I’m real lucky
Do you think doombringer could work on andarial build ?
Also one more question, your amulet even at the starter level on the build planner is very hard to get what other stats would you say would help with the build ?
Damn! Thanks for this Sensei
This is really an eye opener😮
Awesome video bro thank you so much❤
Thanks for pointing this out.
Looks like a massive bug to me…
Err, wait so Is It better to get Uniques with 3 GAs + your Main affix Just Max rolled? oO
thanks professor!
Thank you for this!
diminishing returns?
nvm, but this is even worse LOL it scaling the upgrade from the base max roll is so dumb
You do great work. Thank you
I mean at this point I think the correct move for the diablo team would be to just pay Xarrio and all the other content creators for finding bugs and reverse engineering how this spaghetti code is working. Also, can't we have something working as intended for once lol?!
You remind me of league of milk a dude that used to make nioh 2 endgame videos but great video brother
At least this makes more sense than damage buckets (which I still don't understand, because I haven't gone outside of the game to try to discover how they work [and shouldn't have to]).😳
Thank you buddy! ❤
Yeah noticed this myself the other day because I had a GA stat with 180 and didnt see it improve by 9 points, instead saw an improvement of 6, so I figured the GA stats were about being a 1.5x multiplier of some base value and that masterworking would not consider final value, only base one
Too bad these things are not informed, you kinda have to guess and test it yourself
All my " perfect gear " is now bricked cuz of you. Thanks man 😂
Happens to the best of us. =(
Good info bro
Big Andy’s buff let’s go!!!!
Thanks mate!