Hey everyone! For people trying to create some sort of feud between Jen from Fundie Fridays and me, that’s simply not the case. I don’t believe Jen had contact with Jim Holt & likely had no idea what was going on related to him. Participants were not told who was signed and who wasn’t signed. They only knew about their agreement and/or others that either recruited them or they appeared on camera with in the series Jen provided context and clarity about the historical timeline of the Duggars and fundamentalism that was needed for the documentary. I have literally no issues with the information she provided or her role. In March 2022, I was approached to appear in another series. So that’s how my end was determined. But by this same time, I was dealing with Jim Holt and his lashing out and turning people against me. The series didn’t feel like a safe place for me and I didn’t feel comfortable giving up my confidential sources to them. Whether you believe it or not, I speak to survivors of the IBLP and people connected directly to the Duggars daily. I’ve been reporting on this cult for 5 years. In that time, I’ve gotten close to people that literally worked for Gothard, sued Gothard, and lived at headquarters. I’ve gained the trust of former church elders of the Duggar church. I’ve gained access to adults that were part of the Duggar’s various churches. They come to me through word of mouth because they’ve seen that I will not out them. What I’m reporting on the cult is not “gossip”, I’m reporting on real situations that happen daily. I believe Jen did a good job & I have no issue with her. That’s it and that’s all. Katie
I respect your decision to not be part of the Amazon. My only thought around the use of Jen is that I think you would have been a better choice (I do realize that what is presented has been heavily edited, which may have impacted my impression).
I admire you so much for protecting the people you have spoke with. I live like 3 mins from the 12 tribes nicest yellow deli and bakery store. Seeing all the children there working like slaves and the women pretty much barefoot with child. Makes my skin crawl. They are 1 side of the road then you have 4 churches on the other side of the road. We've reported things happening with the cults but our authorities either support it, are scared of them or say it's protected under the religious freedom act.
I've worked in this town a long time ... there are producers who take their time and really want to produce a quality product, and then there are the ones who I swear are like all the trappings of "high-school" drama with all roads leading to sloppiness and/or sensationalism. Bottom line: it's up to you, the individual, to lookout for yourself by carefully screening every inch of THEM before committing ... when you sell out, then you become the 'producer'of REGRET.
You don't owe anybody a reason as to why you didn't participate. you strike me as a great reporter with a nose for the truth and get down to the nitty gritty of it all, and you do this all while keeping yourself distanced just far enough where you're out of jb or Jim holts grasp. Keep up the good work! The more you report on this, the more intrigued I'm getting... It's getting wild!
I’m 100% in agreement with you on Jim Holt, Katie. People need to remember that Kayleigh Holt was _not_ Josh’s “girlfriend”. Kayleigh Holt was _betrothed_ to Josh Duggar at age 14 through her parents and Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. That is a major problem and all this “Josh’s ex girlfriend” stuff is just whitewashing the abuse.
@Emerald Coast Kayleigh Holt doesn't recognize the word "courting" so her family never used it. To her it was always "betrothed". That courtship thing was a Duggar thing after the Holt/Duggar "betrothal".
I get the feeling that the only thing Jim Holt had against the IBLP is that he wasn’t brought into the inner circle. That he lost power and influence and that he is on the outs. He wants vengeance for being ostracized. He’s clawing for relevance.
I think they really were horrified by Josh, but are very bitter about how it went down and Jim Bob was able to gain so much dirty money and wreak so much havoc.
That makes A LOT of sense because, when you think about it, what is the difference between Jim Holt and Jim Bob? They have the exact same ideology so why wouldn’t Jim Holt and Jim Bob be part of the same cult? Jim Holt is so into power and control so I guess if he can’t run things and be front and center, he turns against it?
Very well could be. My impression when he mentioned he is not jealous of Jim Bob is that he is. He is resentful he didn't have the financial fruition Jim Bob did wasn't as revered within the church as Jim b was
I really admire your professionalism and integrity. Good for you to not be pressured into giving them any names of your sources. Keep up the great work.
I’m sure I heard Katie Joy say, in a different video that she provided all the sources and contacts she had to Amazon. So…. I’m not a hater, but her own words betray this piece of info.
@@Microplancakes i think the link missing in your comment is that she gave them contacts AFTER asking for permission on putting them in contact. What everyone should be doing naturally.
Katie has the best sources because they trust her to not betray them. Jim Holt has a protection order. Katie called it in advance. She would have never betrayed all her sources for some amazon doc she had no control over. She said she gave them her info. Not the names of her confidential sources.
So glad you care for the survivors. And want them to heal. Good for you. You looked the devil in the eyes and knocked him down. Wow wow. I am so impressed with you. 🎉❤
I hope they do a follow-up episode and expand on the Holts’ involvement and troubles. It’s not too late to right the wrongs from platforming this abuser.
There absolutely should have been a disclaimer saying: On May # Bobby and her son were issued a ten year order of protection from Jim Holt that includes his minor children.
I agree. I had no idea about that. That would have been nice to know. Though, I think it was more disturbing to know he married her when she was 14 years old because she looked developed or something like that. I think that's what he said. That's sick and disgusting.
@@elanorwainscott Yeah, that was beyond inappropriate. And they wonder why their sons don’t understand the concept of a minor not being able to legally consent? They teach that they “marry ‘em young.” It was gross.
Agreed. It's worse that just a hot minute after the doco series airs, this "history" of DV of Jim Holt comes to light. Please, I don't victim blame. I know DV is complex. But Bobye Holt was also complicit sitting next to her violent, family abusing husband reporting on the sins of the Duggars. I feel sad for all the victims raised in this ideology.
Coming from this church background I didn’t know a single man in the church who didn’t lay hands on his family or cheat or both. I think Holt is a really powerful example of the dichotomy that exists in these men. It wasn’t unusual at all as a young preteen and teen to enjoy being around my friends dads at church events and stuff and then find out they were doing things behind closed doors. Frankly it was a poorly hidden secret and I don’t think was even that frowned upon by other men in high positions - a man is responsible for keeping his house in order and all.
@@juliemiller6966 But wouldn't the wife be in danger (from her husband) if she cheated with a man within her group? Did the men pass their wives around willingly?
@@MNP208 I don’t think there’s much of a sense of autonomy - that’s sort of attaching a sense of personhood to her thats more than normal. It doesn’t matter that she’s a victim but she sort of gets shoved to the side with a Scarlett letter on her forehead. I think often the mind control is strong enough that the man doesn’t feel comfortable confronting the spiritual leader. And then of course there’s always the teenage girls that are an option and frequently utilized/unmarried women too. If a husband is gone in the military or whatever. There are ways.
I have to totally agree with you Katie. I found they only fluffed what Jill had to say. The other survivors looked like they were told that they could say. I was so disappointed in Prime for not digging deep into the truths of what the teachings of Bill Gothard and the whole IBLP. It made me sick to watch Jim Holt tell his lies. I thank you for what you do to bring awareness to this.
This will come back to totally haunt them. It makes them look bad. Makes them look incompetent. Katie just keep doing your thing. You know more about this than probably anybody else. You've been telling us the truths of this for years.
It makes them look worse than incompetent. It makes it look like the producers knowingly whitewashed Jim Holt's guilt and presented him as an innocent, when in fact he's the worst expression of IBLP doctrine. This should totally come back to bite the producers.
Thank you for always bringing us the truth!! I watched some of the docu-series but got red flags as soon as I seen the Holts, an to find out (from you) that there’s two orders of protection against this creep. TLC dropped the ball!! So glad someone is thinking about the survivors!! They’re the ones that should be platformed an helped. Thanks for all the hard work to bring the truth❤️
I appreciate you for several reason::: 1) you are a straight shooter and up front about your biases 2) you are respectful of other RUclips’s and do not give them shade or bad mouth them 3) you do your research and have supporting info about why you make statements 4) you educate your followerrs about court protocol and various legal terms and explain in laymen terms things you think would be helpful in one’s understand of your content. Keep up the good work and thank you it is my 30 minutes of guilty pleasure, Karen
Just wanted to second your comments. I have never watched any videos about Duggars or Sister Wives e even though I have watched both shows for years. I literally stumbled on your RUclips page and figured I would check it out for a few minutes. I immediately saw the difference between you and others who are just basically gossiping. I was quickly hooked and watch your videos whenever they come out. Also as a survivor of childhood sa (not related to any religious group) I really appreciate how sensitive you are to the feelings of survivors. Thanks for everything you are doing
What an insane course of events. It always blows me away how loudly liars will proclaim that the truth tellers as the bad guys... and then when everything finally comes to light, the truth tellers never get credit or apologized to for the bad treatment they received along the way. Thank you so much for your integrity 👏🏻🫶🏻
Honoring the many survivors' experiences and knowledge holds true to a more well-rounded account of the IBLP cult. Glad that you brought that information forward, although it was a difficult situation.
Sho Katie, that’s so hectic! So happy you stayed the good well meaning person that you are. How sad, I hope there is justice for all women in this horrific situation. Stay strong and safe, sweetheart xx
KJ your candidness is refreshing. Hopefully, you have humbled those that say the most, but know the least. You used moral judgement and critical thinking regarding decisions for yourself and others. Continue that path, moving forward, to protect yourself. Others will continue to question your intelligence. Their choice of ignorance is beyond your control. Be at peace with yourself.
Katie is my best source on the Duggars. She is trustworthy. Love you and your work! I believe this cult has the markings of large scale trafficking or ingrained culture of sa.
I have to say that I was surprised to see the Holts in the series. Knowing the things you had reported, I was hoping that there would be some type of post script and was disappointed not to see anything. All I can hope for is that all of the survivors find peace and healing one day soon.
I AM BLOWN AWAY! TLC should be cancelled and everyone fired. Especially the ones directly involved with the Duggar’s production. And whoever produced this documentary & ignored this information is pure scum. I feel so betrayed personally. I was so happy when Jim & Bobye told us their story about Josh courting their daughter. I am so happy you were cautious and intelligent enough to know these people aren’t always what they seem! Good for you for doing your part and letting them know! It’s disgusting that they ignored you for $$$.
I loved your commentary on this. While I agree that I’m happy victims got a voice. They lumped Christian RUclips and politics together. That portion got weird, I don’t follow any of those people and my political leanings are way different then those in the show. So I can’t say much about that, but I feel it is becoming very popular to bash people of faith. I’m glad you mentioned about Bobby I had no idea she had a restraining Order. So glad you expose abuse and manipulation.
Well done Katie! I am glad you came forward with your reasons for not participating. Yes, they wanted to exploit your sources and I am very proud of your integrity. One of the reasons I follow you and use YOU as the only source I trust is your extensive research that is fact based, you present theses facts, give an opinion occasionally, you protect your sources and you stand for the victims. You do not use click bait to get views in my opinion and that is huge for me, I detest click bait users. Occasionally you skirt it but never blatantly use it in my opinion. I don’t always agree with you, and there is one family I do not agree with you on totally. However I can listen to you and you give me things to think about. I only follow you for the Duggar/IBLP issues as I am not into the other shows you cover. As I said there are areas I don’t share the same views but you never make me feel wrong for having my own beliefs. I agree to disagree with what I want and you never have offended me like many other channels that try to cover the same issues. Thank you for your hard work, honesty, protection of sources and victims, and enduring the criticism you do for just telling the facts and truths. I appreciate your integrity and look forward to your coverage on the IBLP and Duggars.
This is why I'm so grateful to have found my church. I'm a Christian but a LOT of other Christians do not like my church. It's Methodist, btw. There is no bias against homosexuality, bisexuality, trans, etc. We use preferred pronouns. They are not considered sinners because God made them this way. All are welcome. Men and Women are equal. No submission, period. God is not given a gender as they are all encompassing. Other religions are cherished not urged to change. Unless they hurt others. That's a different story, but we won't turn someone away because they're Muslim. We have atheists who attend. We ask hard questions. But in the end, all are welcomed and loved. No judgement. We do this because Christ did it. I will never judge anyone on this channel for their views. I love that there are so many. And I love the compassion you show, Katie. Hang in there!
I LOVE your comments! I'm a recent convert to Methodism (3 years) and I love it! I'm so happy I was introduced to this kind of Christianity! ❤ It's brought me closer to Jesus and others.
Your church sounds awesome. The churches around here have been very Judgemental about what other wear (like if a female isn't in a dress and men in slacks or a suit) they will look you up and down, become very awkward around you, whisper about you, etc. It's all very middle school-like drama. But not everyone can afford nice dresses or suits & some just don't like wearing "stuffy clothes" lol. Even wearing super nice clothes some churches/members will make someone feel out of place. Idk if it strikes a cord within themselves about being "non judgemental" or what. But it can be CRAZY CRAZY (yep, double crazy)!! 😆 I found a Preacher I watch on RUclips who is great. I also personally know him and he is really awesome. He enjoys different view points and discussions BUT does NOT TOLERATE HATE towards ANYONE for their views - like your church. He's non-dominanational and prays for "Every person on this Earth that they may find love, peace, and happiness. I pray they find Jesus but not everyone does....."
Considering his wife and son got the longest possible restraining orders possible against him. He should have been deleted from series. Those producers should have listened to you. Also Bobey being 14 and him 19 when they got together he’s just as bad as Joshua.
I don't think that is just as bad as Joshua... He had the worst CSAM the FBI had ever seen, truly disturbing stuff, not to mention rampant m*lestation of his sisters and probably others. A 5 year age gap isn't great but it was socially accepted at the time. Joshua is deeply disturbed and has done absolutely horrendous things. Not on the same level at all.
As a fringe homeschooling kid from this group, I really thought it opened a huge round of wounds without answering a lot. I thought overall, and now hearing all this, I think it was rushed and irresponsible.
I was sort of saddened that there wasn’t anything about what it’s like to leave or the trauma recovery. The episodes had so many topics that I got lost at times between the survivor stories and the interlaced discussion about the Duggars.
If you still have healing to do (which it seems like you do based on this comment) you should absolutely be relying on a therapist right now and not seeking answers from a Hollywood washed docuseries. If you did have a therapist and were in the early stages of trauma recovery, I can guarantee they would have advised you not even watch this show
So much respect for u, KJ. This is so dark that I just feel I need to remind u to take care of yourself so this stuff doesn’t eat u from the inside. These ppl have no souls. Thank u for sharing this with us, but take extra care and pamper yourself a bit.
Thank you for doing this video. Someone shared it with me after message board conversations about the documentary. I cringed about his comment about marrying young in Arkansas since I live in Arkansas.
This makes so much sense. There is truly nobody from the outside that knows the Duggars combo’d with IBLP like you. Too bad you didn’t make your own. I don’t know how people put these productions together but you deserved that special & it would have been WAYYYYY better.
Katie, I have learned that the one that speaks the hard truth with the best intentions tend to be the person hated. I find myself being that person on a much smaller scale. Keep doing what you are doing. People that want the truth, come to you for it. I seen a few people on other channels that make it their business to talk so much trash about you. I don’t watch the videos. I mark a dislike when I see the title and keep watching you.
I don’t understand why this was a post for you. I do think it takes away from the survivors and you could have waited 6 months to tell this part. I get that you wanted to be forthcoming but this really does feel like it’s making the situation about you. You had said for several months that you would not be on the show because of a bad experience, I just think you should have left it there a while, and let this story sink in to those who learned such awful things. Of course it was your choice but…..
Those channels that trash talk her are just jealous aholes plain and simple. I've aske4d a cople of them why are you doing this why don't you find your own stories and publish them no response so that shows a lot.!!!!!
Thank you Katie for providing commentary about the Holts involvement in documentary. I was curious as to why they were in it. Minus the Holts, I think the documentary is shining light on the IBPL and making people aware. From the comments I’ve read on Twitter & talking with people, the documentary has opened people’s eyes. Hopefully, more documentaries will be made that will do a deeper dive into the IBPL without the Holts were more victims will be able to tell their stories. Personally, I would like to learn more about the Joshua Generation.
Most "influencers" or ppl with a YT channel would JUMP at the chance to appear in something like that, so hats off to you for sticking to your scruples. You're good people. 👏🏼
I'm so glad I found you last year, Katie! Thanks to you I was able to watch the docu-series, knowing who Jim Holt really was before he even spoke. Thank you for your reporting, asking the tough questions and finding truth, you're one of the only reality news sources I trust.
Katie I have to admit a couple years ago I stopped listening when some dumb drama was going on BUT you do an excellent job on here and obviously spend a lot of time with research to lay the facts out. GREAT JOB! Always looking forward to the next video 😊
Bobby looked at her husband everytime she talked about the truth needs to be told. Holt looked scared to me like his wife told him you gonna do this or I'm telling everyone you a bad guy.
As a child SA survivor of the Catholic church (I now have a lawyer) I am proud of you for leading some of the way to aid in protecting so many children. Be careful and don't think Holt has your best interest in mind. I do still believe in God though I don't want anything to do with Catholicism. I have a great church. God is there, Katie.
Katie, as you were worried about Jim H. and how the survivors would react, you must have been under so much pressure, that frankly, the producers should have been shouldering and researching. You are such a hero and so courageous!!! You are strong and thoughtful and handled it really well. I love your good heart that has such compassion for the survivors! You are wonderful! I'm proud of you!
I didn't think Jim Holt looked bad at all. I feel bad for the survivors.. I feel horrible for his children. I have experienced an abusive bio dad, who physically disabled me for life, and I deal with people still believing he's a good human being on a small scale. The fact he's been given space on a large platform, in which he looks remorseful, is just... disgusting.
You have way more information than anyone I know and I watched every single documentary and the shows that followed more than once along with all the news and so much more…
Was Josh s abused, and was this other boy who did the same thing s abused by someone else? I think there’s way more to this story and we will probably never know. If Holt can’t be around his own granddaughter, that speaks pretty loud.
Katie, just stay true and keep your course. You are a great sleuth and you have done great things for lots of people. Thank you for that. It may hurt the ego for a bit but you will sleep at night. TY for everything u have done for these victims. You are great!!!
From Jim & Bobby's intro it seemed like she was out but he wasn't. Remember he said "should I introduce us" & she was like "just yourself." That was very IBPL of him, not her.
I knew a couple, Seth and Karen Alexander, who seemed to be normal until they got into the IBLP as adults. Then Karen stopped talking to me, and their kids seemed very guarded whenever you talked and visited with them. Neither one of them were raised in the IBLP, as far as I know.
I love you because you always have the receipts. Hang in there. You have great insight courage and perseverance. Your work is important. People need to be informed
Omg. Im so glad you exposed this. Gives the documentary a whole different vibe. I am a Christian myself but I never thought what groups like the Iblp do are okay. It's terrifying 😳
Oh, I could see the Holt's on the doc. He lied through his ass to save his ass, she looked at him to get their stories straight... Yeah, it was obvious.
I'm pretty naïve - the one thing that really made my eyebrows raise was when she said that when they heard about Josh being found guilty they hugged for a long time, and he looked like he was lying by just nodding in agreement. I was also a bit unconvinced about his line about losing your best friend.
Thank you for explaining your experience and sharing your truth! Thank you for standing on your laurels and respecting your sources. And I'm sure you are grateful now that you WEREN'T in the series.
Thank you for delineating between reformed and fundamentalist beliefs. I grew up in a Calvinist reformed home. Many of the restrictions are similar but the theology behind Calvinism is detrimental to any feeling of self-worth.
I am sure from the depths of my soul that Holt is really worried about something that someone might know, and that's why he's curious about your sources.
I never comment on your videos but I felt like I had to on this one lol. I am so glad that you made this video because I didn’t follow the Duggars and I only watched the series because I finally saw one of your videos on them and you said you were going to watch it. I totally thought Jim Holt was a different person and was reformed until this video. I’m a Christian a preachers kid in fact and I didn’t feel attacked I felt saddened that groups, people, and church’s take the Bible to try and impose their beliefs into such strict and extreme ways. They seem to forget that God gives free will and above all else he calls us to love people first. I also felt like the IBLP was much stronger than what you just explained so thank you for clearing that up. I love your videos by the way ❤
Hey everyone!
For people trying to create some sort of feud between Jen from Fundie Fridays and me, that’s simply not the case. I don’t believe Jen had contact with Jim Holt & likely had no idea what was going on related to him.
Participants were not told who was signed and who wasn’t signed. They only knew about their agreement and/or others that either recruited them or they appeared on camera with in the series
Jen provided context and clarity about the historical timeline of the Duggars and fundamentalism that was needed for the documentary. I have literally no issues with the information she provided or her role.
In March 2022, I was approached to appear in another series. So that’s how my end was determined. But by this same time, I was dealing with Jim Holt and his lashing out and turning people against me. The series didn’t feel like a safe place for me and I didn’t feel comfortable giving up my confidential sources to them.
Whether you believe it or not, I speak to survivors of the IBLP and people connected directly to the Duggars daily. I’ve been reporting on this cult for 5 years. In that time, I’ve gotten close to people that literally worked for Gothard, sued Gothard, and lived at headquarters. I’ve gained the trust of former church elders of the Duggar church. I’ve gained access to adults that were part of the Duggar’s various churches. They come to me through word of mouth because they’ve seen that I will not out them.
What I’m reporting on the cult is not “gossip”, I’m reporting on real situations that happen daily.
I believe Jen did a good job & I have no issue with her. That’s it and that’s all.
Katie
I respect your decision to not be part of the Amazon. My only thought around the use of Jen is that I think you would have been a better choice (I do realize that what is presented has been heavily edited, which may have impacted my impression).
I admire you so much for protecting the people you have spoke with.
I live like 3 mins from the 12 tribes nicest yellow deli and bakery store. Seeing all the children there working like slaves and the women pretty much barefoot with child. Makes my skin crawl. They are 1 side of the road then you have 4 churches on the other side of the road. We've reported things happening with the cults but our authorities either support it, are scared of them or say it's protected under the religious freedom act.
I've worked in this town a long time ... there are producers who take their time and really want to produce a quality product, and then there are the ones who I swear are like all the trappings of "high-school" drama with all roads leading to sloppiness and/or sensationalism. Bottom line: it's up to you, the individual, to lookout for yourself by carefully screening every inch of THEM before committing ... when you sell out, then you become the 'producer'of REGRET.
You don't owe anybody a reason as to why you didn't participate. you strike me as a great reporter with a nose for the truth and get down to the nitty gritty of it all, and you do this all while keeping yourself distanced just far enough where you're out of jb or Jim holts grasp. Keep up the good work! The more you report on this, the more intrigued I'm getting... It's getting wild!
You have to protect yourself as well as your sources Katie. They have no business knowing who your sources are!❤
I’m 100% in agreement with you on Jim Holt, Katie. People need to remember that Kayleigh Holt was _not_ Josh’s “girlfriend”. Kayleigh Holt was _betrothed_ to Josh Duggar at age 14 through her parents and Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. That is a major problem and all this “Josh’s ex girlfriend” stuff is just whitewashing the abuse.
This!
@Emerald Coast Kayleigh Holt doesn't recognize the word "courting" so her family never used it. To her it was always "betrothed". That courtship thing was a Duggar thing after the Holt/Duggar "betrothal".
A 10 year order of protection is a BIG deal. They are really hard to get.
It was hard getting one for 2 years, I can't even imagine 10 years was ever possible.
Jim Bob is a narcissist
I get the feeling that the only thing Jim Holt had against the IBLP is that he wasn’t brought into the inner circle. That he lost power and influence and that he is on the outs. He wants vengeance for being ostracized. He’s clawing for relevance.
I got that impression as well
I disagree.
I think they really were horrified by Josh, but are very bitter about how it went down and Jim Bob was able to gain so much dirty money and wreak so much havoc.
That makes A LOT of sense because, when you think about it, what is the difference between Jim Holt and Jim Bob? They have the exact same ideology so why wouldn’t Jim Holt and Jim Bob be part of the same cult? Jim Holt is so into power and control so I guess if he can’t run things and be front and center, he turns against it?
Very well could be. My impression when he mentioned he is not jealous of Jim Bob is that he is. He is resentful he didn't have the financial fruition Jim Bob did wasn't as revered within the church as Jim b was
I really admire your professionalism and integrity. Good for you to not be pressured into giving them any names of your sources. Keep up the great work.
I’m sure I heard Katie Joy say, in a different video that she provided all the sources and contacts she had to Amazon. So….
I’m not a hater, but her own words betray this piece of info.
@@Microplancakes i think the link missing in your comment is that she gave them contacts AFTER asking for permission on putting them in contact. What everyone should be doing naturally.
@Karen Caddle same
Katie has the best sources because they trust her to not betray them. Jim Holt has a protection order. Katie called it in advance.
She would have never betrayed all her sources for some amazon doc she had no control over.
She said she gave them her info. Not the names of her confidential sources.
@@Microplancakes I heard her say she asked her contacts for their permission first before giving them to Amazon.
My family used to be in the IBLP and i really appreciate your clarity and accuracy
I appreciate that
So glad you care for the survivors. And want them to heal. Good for you. You looked the devil in the eyes and knocked him down. Wow wow. I am so impressed with you. 🎉❤
I hope they do a follow-up episode and expand on the Holts’ involvement and troubles. It’s not too late to right the wrongs from platforming this abuser.
There absolutely should have been a disclaimer saying: On May # Bobby and her son were issued a ten year order of protection from Jim Holt that includes his minor children.
I agree. I had no idea about that. That would have been nice to know. Though, I think it was more disturbing to know he married her when she was 14 years old because she looked developed or something like that. I think that's what he said. That's sick and disgusting.
@@elanorwainscott Yeah, that was beyond inappropriate. And they wonder why their sons don’t understand the concept of a minor not being able to legally consent? They teach that they “marry ‘em young.” It was gross.
At LEAST!
More like there should have been a disclaimer saying how Jim holt was guilty of nearly all the things the show was speaking out against…
I agree
Agreed. It's worse that just a hot minute after the doco series airs, this "history" of DV of Jim Holt comes to light.
Please, I don't victim blame. I know DV is complex. But Bobye Holt was also complicit sitting next to her violent, family abusing husband reporting on the sins of the Duggars. I feel sad for all the victims raised in this ideology.
Let it go, let it go.... Smh
Jim Bob is a perfect example of the destructive power of greed when it consumes a person.
Sadly yes
Coming from this church background I didn’t know a single man in the church who didn’t lay hands on his family or cheat or both. I think Holt is a really powerful example of the dichotomy that exists in these men. It wasn’t unusual at all as a young preteen and teen to enjoy being around my friends dads at church events and stuff and then find out they were doing things behind closed doors. Frankly it was a poorly hidden secret and I don’t think was even that frowned upon by other men in high positions - a man is responsible for keeping his house in order and all.
Were they cheating within the church or outside of the church?
@@MNP208 both in most cases. Sometimes just within. Occasionally someone out. When you have a big enough sample size you get a little of a lot.
@@juliemiller6966 But wouldn't the wife be in danger (from her husband) if she cheated with a man within her group? Did the men pass their wives around willingly?
@@MNP208 I don’t think there’s much of a sense of autonomy - that’s sort of attaching a sense of personhood to her thats more than normal. It doesn’t matter that she’s a victim but she sort of gets shoved to the side with a Scarlett letter on her forehead. I think often the mind control is strong enough that the man doesn’t feel comfortable confronting the spiritual leader. And then of course there’s always the teenage girls that are an option and frequently utilized/unmarried women too. If a husband is gone in the military or whatever. There are ways.
I have to totally agree with you Katie. I found they only fluffed what Jill had to say. The other survivors looked like they were told that they could say. I was so disappointed in Prime for not digging deep into the truths of what the teachings of Bill Gothard and the whole IBLP. It made me sick to watch Jim Holt tell his lies. I thank you for what you do to bring awareness to this.
This will come back to totally haunt them. It makes them look bad. Makes them look incompetent. Katie just keep doing your thing. You know more about this than probably anybody else. You've been telling us the truths of this for years.
It makes them look worse than incompetent. It makes it look like the producers knowingly whitewashed Jim Holt's guilt and presented him as an innocent, when in fact he's the worst expression of IBLP doctrine. This should totally come back to bite the producers.
Thank you for always bringing us the truth!!
I watched some of the docu-series but got red flags as soon as I seen the Holts, an to find out (from you) that there’s two orders of protection against this creep.
TLC dropped the ball!!
So glad someone is thinking about the survivors!! They’re the ones that should be platformed an helped.
Thanks for all the hard work to bring the truth❤️
S/A is called curiosity, corporeal punishment is called encouragement and D/V is called obedience.
I appreciate you for several reason::: 1) you are a straight shooter and up front about your biases 2) you are respectful of other RUclips’s and do not give them shade or bad mouth them 3) you do your research and have supporting info about why you make statements 4) you educate your followerrs about court protocol and various legal terms and explain in laymen terms things you think would be helpful in one’s understand of your content. Keep up the good work and thank you it is my 30 minutes of guilty pleasure, Karen
Just wanted to second your comments. I have never watched any videos about Duggars or Sister Wives e even though I have watched both shows for years. I literally stumbled on your RUclips page and figured I would check it out for a few minutes. I immediately saw the difference between you and others who are just basically gossiping. I was quickly hooked and watch your videos whenever they come out. Also as a survivor of childhood sa (not related to any religious group) I really appreciate how sensitive you are to the feelings of survivors.
Thanks for everything you are doing
What an insane course of events. It always blows me away how loudly liars will proclaim that the truth tellers as the bad guys... and then when everything finally comes to light, the truth tellers never get credit or apologized to for the bad treatment they received along the way. Thank you so much for your integrity 👏🏻🫶🏻
Honoring the many survivors' experiences and knowledge holds true to a more well-rounded account of the IBLP cult. Glad that you brought that information forward, although it was a difficult situation.
Sho Katie, that’s so hectic! So happy you stayed the good well meaning person that you are. How sad, I hope there is justice for all women in this horrific situation. Stay strong and safe, sweetheart xx
KJ your candidness is refreshing.
Hopefully, you have humbled those that say the most, but know the least. You used moral judgement and critical thinking regarding decisions for yourself and others.
Continue that path, moving forward, to protect yourself. Others will continue to question your intelligence. Their choice of ignorance is beyond your control. Be at peace with yourself.
Katie is my best source on the Duggars. She is trustworthy. Love you and your work! I believe this cult has the markings of large scale trafficking or ingrained culture of sa.
Thank you for exposing truth
I have to say that I was surprised to see the Holts in the series. Knowing the things you had reported, I was hoping that there would be some type of post script and was disappointed not to see anything. All I can hope for is that all of the survivors find peace and healing one day soon.
I AM BLOWN AWAY! TLC should be cancelled and everyone fired. Especially the ones directly involved with the Duggar’s production. And whoever produced this documentary & ignored this information is pure scum. I feel so betrayed personally. I was so happy when Jim & Bobye told us their story about Josh courting their daughter. I am so happy you were cautious and intelligent enough to know these people aren’t always what they seem! Good for you for doing your part and letting them know! It’s disgusting that they ignored you for $$$.
They clearly have people at top wanting to push this agenda!
This is what caused you to think t l c should be cancelled? It's a disgusting network
@@canadianbrit Facts💯
@Grace oh no. I’ve thought that since way back to John & Kate plus 8. I am just hoping this finally does it.
I loved your commentary on this. While I agree that I’m happy victims got a voice. They lumped Christian RUclips and politics together. That portion got weird, I don’t follow any of those people and my political leanings are way different then those in the show. So I can’t say much about that, but I feel it is becoming very popular to bash people of faith. I’m glad you mentioned about Bobby I had no idea she had a restraining
Order. So glad you expose abuse and manipulation.
I’m so glad you did this video! Thank you for speaking up!
Well done Katie! I am glad you came forward with your reasons for not participating. Yes, they wanted to exploit your sources and I am very proud of your integrity. One of the reasons I follow you and use YOU as the only source I trust is your extensive research that is fact based, you present theses facts, give an opinion occasionally, you protect your sources and you stand for the victims. You do not use click bait to get views in my opinion and that is huge for me, I detest click bait users. Occasionally you skirt it but never blatantly use it in my opinion.
I don’t always agree with you, and there is one family I do not agree with you on totally. However I can listen to you and you give me things to think about. I only follow you for the Duggar/IBLP issues as I am not into the other shows you cover. As I said there are areas I don’t share the same views but you never make me feel wrong for having my own beliefs. I agree to disagree with what I want and you never have offended me like many other channels that try to cover the same issues. Thank you for your hard work, honesty, protection of sources and victims, and enduring the criticism you do for just telling the facts and truths. I appreciate your integrity and look forward to your coverage on the IBLP and Duggars.
This is why I'm so grateful to have found my church. I'm a Christian but a LOT of other Christians do not like my church. It's Methodist, btw.
There is no bias against homosexuality, bisexuality, trans, etc. We use preferred pronouns. They are not considered sinners because God made them this way. All are welcome.
Men and Women are equal. No submission, period. God is not given a gender as they are all encompassing. Other religions are cherished not urged to change. Unless they hurt others. That's a different story, but we won't turn someone away because they're Muslim.
We have atheists who attend. We ask hard questions. But in the end, all are welcomed and loved. No judgement. We do this because Christ did it.
I will never judge anyone on this channel for their views. I love that there are so many. And I love the compassion you show, Katie. Hang in there!
I LOVE your comments! I'm a recent convert to Methodism (3 years) and I love it! I'm so happy I was introduced to this kind of Christianity! ❤ It's brought me closer to Jesus and others.
Your church sounds awesome. The churches around here have been very Judgemental about what other wear (like if a female isn't in a dress and men in slacks or a suit) they will look you up and down, become very awkward around you, whisper about you, etc. It's all very middle school-like drama. But not everyone can afford nice dresses or suits & some just don't like wearing "stuffy clothes" lol. Even wearing super nice clothes some churches/members will make someone feel out of place. Idk if it strikes a cord within themselves about being "non judgemental" or what. But it can be CRAZY CRAZY (yep, double crazy)!! 😆
I found a Preacher I watch on RUclips who is great. I also personally know him and he is really awesome. He enjoys different view points and discussions BUT does NOT TOLERATE HATE towards ANYONE for their views - like your church. He's non-dominanational and prays for "Every person on this Earth that they may find love, peace, and happiness. I pray they find Jesus but not everyone does....."
Considering his wife and son got the longest possible restraining orders possible against him. He should have been deleted from series. Those producers should have listened to you. Also Bobey being 14 and him 19 when they got together he’s just as bad as Joshua.
I don't think that is just as bad as Joshua... He had the worst CSAM the FBI had ever seen, truly disturbing stuff, not to mention rampant m*lestation of his sisters and probably others. A 5 year age gap isn't great but it was socially accepted at the time. Joshua is deeply disturbed and has done absolutely horrendous things. Not on the same level at all.
Thank you Katie Joy for all your hard work and your commitment to Truth and helping suirviors 💕🙏
As a fringe homeschooling kid from this group, I really thought it opened a huge round of wounds without answering a lot. I thought overall, and now hearing all this, I think it was rushed and irresponsible.
I was sort of saddened that there wasn’t anything about what it’s like to leave or the trauma recovery. The episodes had so many topics that I got lost at times between the survivor stories and the interlaced discussion about the Duggars.
Yeah it felt so I’m complete
So we need to all reach out and let them know we want more!! Because they certainly have enough footage!!
If you still have healing to do (which it seems like you do based on this comment) you should absolutely be relying on a therapist right now and not seeking answers from a Hollywood washed docuseries. If you did have a therapist and were in the early stages of trauma recovery, I can guarantee they would have advised you not even watch this show
I was really surprised they only did 4 episodes. With this topic, there's SO much out there, they could have taken so much more time with it
No doubt there will be some follow up docos.
So much respect for u, KJ. This is so dark that I just feel I need to remind u to take care of yourself so this stuff doesn’t eat u from the inside. These ppl have no souls. Thank u for sharing this with us, but take extra care and pamper yourself a bit.
They absolutely do have a soul! And that soul is evil! And evil souls will be punished!
You are great. I am a fan of your advocacy. Thank you. Have a lovely day!
I believe your motives are true and honest. Thank you WOACB. Huge hugs from Palm Springs, CA. Xxxoooo, MaryB
You are so welcome!
I'm with Mary Brown. You are the only trustworthy creator I've found.
Well done, Katie! I appreciate your advocacy of survivors.
Thank you for sharing this and i hope you do more
Thank you for doing this video. Someone shared it with me after message board conversations about the documentary. I cringed about his comment about marrying young in Arkansas since I live in Arkansas.
I have only been able to watch a couple episodes of Shiny happy people but I have gotten more from you than the documentary....thank you
Thank you Katie for all that you do.
This makes so much sense. There is truly nobody from the outside that knows the Duggars combo’d with IBLP like you. Too bad you didn’t make your own. I don’t know how people put these productions together but you deserved that special & it would have been WAYYYYY better.
Katie, I have learned that the one that speaks the hard truth with the best intentions tend to be the person hated. I find myself being that person on a much smaller scale. Keep doing what you are doing. People that want the truth, come to you for it. I seen a few people on other channels that make it their business to talk so much trash about you. I don’t watch the videos. I mark a dislike when I see the title and keep watching you.
I do one better. I mark do not recommend channel for anyone talking nonsense.
I don’t understand why this was a post for you. I do think it takes away from the survivors and you could have waited 6 months to tell this part. I get that you wanted to be forthcoming but this really does feel like it’s making the situation about you. You had said for several months that you would not be on the show because of a bad experience, I just think you should have left it there a while, and let this story sink in to those who learned such awful things. Of course it was your choice but…..
Those channels that trash talk her are just jealous aholes plain and simple. I've aske4d a cople of them why are you doing this why don't you find your own stories and publish them no response so that shows a lot.!!!!!
@@maryc8552damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
Thank you, Katie. You are standing up for survivors and I applaud you so much.
Thank you Katie for providing commentary about the Holts involvement in documentary. I was curious as to why they were in it. Minus the Holts, I think the documentary is shining light on the IBPL and making people aware. From the comments I’ve read on Twitter & talking with people, the documentary has opened people’s eyes. Hopefully, more documentaries will be made that will do a deeper dive into the IBPL without the Holts were more victims will be able to tell their stories. Personally, I would like to learn more about the Joshua Generation.
With Caleb, Jim Holt said it - this cult doesn’t care about underage “courting.”
They don’t. Once someone is 14 in this cult they are considered an adult. Many girls aren’t educated beyond 8th grade
Most "influencers" or ppl with a YT channel would JUMP at the chance to appear in something like that, so hats off to you for sticking to your scruples. You're good people. 👏🏼
Wow....What a mess this has all turned out to be. I stand with you, Katie.
❤
I have a lot of respect for you not giving away your sources to get on tv. Many would have sold out.
They didn’t pick her. That’s the real reason.They don’t need her sources. Ridiculous.
Why would she be on the show? She is a RUclips personality who reports on them. She was not asked to be on the show.
@@lisaraper8053 lol exactly. What’s the harm in her saying, “they didn’t ask me.” She doesn’t know this family.
She is a grief grifter.
@L’esprit de l’escalier
@@lisaraper8053 Another youtube personality was on the show actually.
Yeah I was really wondering why you were so critical of the film. I didn't get it until now. Thank you for this
The EP said you weren't asked to be in the series. Why say you had a decision about being in it or not when you weren't even asked?
Exactly.
Thank you Katie
I'm so glad I found you last year, Katie! Thanks to you I was able to watch the docu-series, knowing who Jim Holt really was before he even spoke. Thank you for your reporting, asking the tough questions and finding truth, you're one of the only reality news sources I trust.
I'm so glad!
Katie I have to admit a couple years ago I stopped listening when some dumb drama was going on BUT you do an excellent job on here and obviously spend a lot of time with research to lay the facts out. GREAT JOB! Always looking forward to the next video 😊
Excellent points! Thanks for your coverage Katie. Always great content.
I didn’t know who he was but when I watched SHP, but he gave me creepy vibes. The whole his wife being 14 when he was 19 made me raise an eyebrow
Bobby looked at her husband everytime she talked about the truth needs to be told. Holt looked scared to me like his wife told him you gonna do this or I'm telling everyone you a bad guy.
Thank you Katie for all the hard and informative work you do!! Love your channel.
Great insight into the behavior of Jim & Bobby, regarding the checking back with each other.
As a child SA survivor of the Catholic church (I now have a lawyer) I am proud of you for leading some of the way to aid in protecting so many children. Be careful and don't think Holt has your best interest in mind. I do still believe in God though I don't want anything to do with Catholicism. I have a great church. God is there, Katie.
Katie, as you were worried about Jim H. and how the survivors would react, you must have been under so much pressure, that frankly, the producers should have been shouldering and researching. You are such a hero and so courageous!!! You are strong and thoughtful and handled it really well. I love your good heart that has such compassion for the survivors! You are wonderful! I'm proud of you!
It was the most nerve wracking experience of my life
well said!!
You did good. You kept the victims in mind and kept your priorities straight.
Thank you. I had no idea. 🤦🏻♀️
Thank you so much for explaining all of this!
You're so welcome!
I didn't think Jim Holt looked bad at all.
I feel bad for the survivors.. I feel horrible for his children. I have experienced an abusive bio dad, who physically disabled me for life, and I deal with people still believing he's a good human being on a small scale. The fact he's been given space on a large platform, in which he looks remorseful, is just... disgusting.
I hope your abuser is in prison.
you don’t think dating a 14 yr old when you’re 19 looks bad?
@@audranicolio It might be illegal in some states. Especially if there is any s*x involved. In Arkansas, who knows?
Thank you for your truth Please keep it up
Katie, if it takes awhile your fans come for your contact. We can wait to see you. Take care of yourself first. ❤😊
I appreciate the truth and I feel your saying it. Thank you for that.
Wow! Great reporting! Thanks for looking at this entire mess from all angles.
Thankyou that cleared up so much. I didn’t know about the Holts and the restraining order.
Im glad you chose not to get involved with the series, like others said I would worry for my family.
Smart move on your part. 😊
I was surprised there wasn’t a disclaimer. There should’ve been. That would’ve underscored the deception of these men.
But the show's producers were also women?
@@meeeka I mean the men in the IBLP.
Thanks Katie.
Wow 😮 thank goodness you done your work , this is mind blowing 😮
You have way more information than anyone I know and I watched every single documentary and the shows that followed more than once along with all the news and so much more…
Same. I have been low key obsessed with this family since their first special on tlc. Katie gets the info correct.
Awesome video Katie
24:00 Boby Holt has been scared into that grey streak. Trauma causes white patches in the hair. I'm a retired hair stylist. Its a freaky phenomenon.
You have always had so much integrity, I really love and respect that about you and it is why I stick around.
Hi Katie , I just want you to know that I love your Videos ❤️ .... I hope your feeling better 🍯 honey ... Be well 👵🙋
I didn't know that the Holt's interview was done 2 years ago, but it does make more sense in light of the newest Holt drama.
Was Josh s abused, and was this other boy who did the same thing s abused by someone else? I think there’s way more to this story and we will probably never know. If Holt can’t be around his own granddaughter, that speaks pretty loud.
I've been asking this question for years.
Katie, just stay true and keep your course. You are a great sleuth and you have done great things for lots of people. Thank you for that. It may hurt the ego for a bit but you will sleep at night. TY for everything u have done for these victims. You are great!!!
From Jim & Bobby's intro it seemed like she was out but he wasn't. Remember he said "should I introduce us" & she was like "just yourself." That was very IBPL of him, not her.
That’s actually their weird banter. They are just honestly awkward like that
@@WithoutACrystalBall interesting, it came off awkward but in a power struggle way to me.
@@WithoutACrystalBall I do like the idea of a couple bantering with each other but they should still use caution
Sounds to me like ole Mr Holt needs a room in the Shu right next to Josh!!
I knew a couple, Seth and Karen Alexander, who seemed to be normal until they got into the IBLP as adults. Then Karen stopped talking to me, and their kids seemed very guarded whenever you talked and visited with them. Neither one of them were raised in the IBLP, as far as I know.
Way to go! It is so refreshing that you have integrity and caring! I applaud you for your honesty and professionalism!
I love you because you always have the receipts. Hang in there. You have great insight courage and perseverance. Your work is important. People need to be informed
Thank to you are eyes are open keep fighting the good fight and be the voice of the strangled voices
Hey KJ I’m gonna need that video where you tell all their lies! Lol. Thanks for always keeping it real
This is so so convoluted wow
I had no idea about all of the molestations that took place in that church. That docuseries made me sick.
Omg. Im so glad you exposed this. Gives the documentary a whole different vibe. I am a Christian myself but I never thought what groups like the Iblp do are okay. It's terrifying 😳
Why is the FBI not investigating this and bring them all down?
They have probably infiltrated it
Integrity…something that is lost in the world we live in.
Oh, I could see the Holt's on the doc. He lied through his ass to save his ass, she looked at him to get their stories straight... Yeah, it was obvious.
It wasn’t obvious to everyone
I'm pretty naïve - the one thing that really made my eyebrows raise was when she said that when they heard about Josh being found guilty they hugged for a long time, and he looked like he was lying by just nodding in agreement. I was also a bit unconvinced about his line about losing your best friend.
Any time I see something new about the duggars, I always wait until you post it before I believe it
Katie, I love your integrity.
Thank you for explaining your experience and sharing your truth! Thank you for standing on your laurels and respecting your sources. And I'm sure you are grateful now that you WEREN'T in the series.
You didn't participate because you aren't credible, well-liked, or asked lmao
Thank you for delineating between reformed and fundamentalist beliefs. I grew up in a Calvinist reformed home. Many of the restrictions are similar but the theology behind Calvinism is detrimental to any feeling of self-worth.
I am sure from the depths of my soul that Holt is really worried about something that someone might know, and that's why he's curious about your sources.
O ya! You got that right.
I never comment on your videos but I felt like I had to on this one lol. I am so glad that you made this video because I didn’t follow the Duggars and I only watched the series because I finally saw one of your videos on them and you said you were going to watch it. I totally thought Jim Holt was a different person and was reformed until this video. I’m a Christian a preachers kid in fact and I didn’t feel attacked I felt saddened that groups, people, and church’s take the Bible to try and impose their beliefs into such strict and extreme ways. They seem to forget that God gives free will and above all else he calls us to love people first. I also felt like the IBLP was much stronger than what you just explained so thank you for clearing that up. I love your videos by the way ❤