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My favorite part of you & Jill’s story is that you still follow God. While you were having to be in these situations God still revealed himself to y’all and made your eyes be open to the truth of Jesus Christ. You had every opportunity to go in the other direction, but you still chose Jesus. I think that’s the beauty of your story. Loving the Lord and speaking God’s truth to others.
Joseph Smith, in Mormonism, has been my Bill Gothard. So much of your story resonates with me. I was raised in a polygamist family with 20 kids and later joined mainstream Mormonism where there was no polygamy, but still they believed the same Joseph smith was a true prophet of God. It messed with me so much. I left a year ago and have found true freedom and love from the real Christ. The pain from healing is so real though. There are so many sheep in wolves clothing. The leaders come across as so sweet and nice, yet have deceived so many. You have made me feel less alone. Thank you for your voice!❤
Seeing this comment brings me joy . I was born and raised in Utah for 10 years where my parents were Home Missionaries meaning we served in the US . Our work was ministering to Mormons as they chose to leave the LDS church . I’m so thankful God opened your eyes to the truth .
Wow! Love to hear your story and so thankful to God that you were able to leave those false teachings and come to the true Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
"No matter who you are sitting under always have an open Bible..." - Jinger This is a very wise advice! Stay in your prayer closet and have your Bibles open!
Jinger, when you commented that you were grateful to the people who did share their stories on Shiny Happy People I hope you were referring to Jill. She has been very brave.
@@dearleah7299 no. You were talking to me. And I stand by what I said. I HOPE, not demand, that she is grateful to Jill. They are sisters and life is too short not to value family
Thanks for your comments on this. Because you have come out of this with faith intact, it is important to stay clear of the messages that throw out true Christianity with the teachings of cult leaders who use the Bible to deceive. So happy for you and your sisters who have broken free with faith intact.
Great job!!! Jeremy you’re a great interviewer!!! Jinger, I’ve been watching you for years and I must say you have handled things so well. I’m just so proud. 🤗
As a participant in Shiny Happy People, specifically the one shouted out by Jeremy about sharing stories, I found this video to be a very in depth review of Jinger's book.
Maybe that’s kinder than an honest review of SHP? I couldn’t even watch the entire thing. I do think she could have said her entire message in this video in one or two sentences.
Listening to you makes me so grateful for my Pastor. I loved your book and it brought me closer to the teachings of scripture. I was beginning my journey back to Christ just as your book came out and because of you I began re-reading scripture with new eyes and heart. Thank you Jinger, thank you so much.
Hunger, I really appreciate your book because for the last 20 years I’ve been disentangling my own beliefs from the cult teaching I was raised with from the truth I read in the Bible. Although I wasn’t part of the IBLP group, as you’ve said there are plenty of misguided people out there. For the last 16 or so years I’ve been ‘going it alone’ because I didn’t trust getting involved with another Church. I studied on my own, but found that I was missing fellowship. Thank you for bringing your experiences into the open and letting the rest us know we’re not alone.
Sorry this happened to you. I am in a somewhat similar situation, not bc of teachings but bc of the actions of many so called Christians I was associated with in a particular family situation, where they literally dropped me like a hot potato. So I have ptsd now when I go to a Church where I know any of the people.
The documentary was deep. I pray that the entire Duggar family broke free from IBLP cult. I always enjoyed watching 19 Kids & counting. Praying for the family!
I hope you are right too but it is extremely difficult for someone raised in a cult to see it and get out. The cult victims often times are forced to pick between pretending to be in the cult so they can keep their friends and family or get out and become shunned by these people. It really is awful.
I totally get Jinger's point about being concerned there wouldn't be any help for the victims at the end of the doc. I haven't seen it, but it seems many docs like it do well at exposing the abuse but unfortunately also exploit the victims without offering any real help for them. It's a "movie" for the viewers but it's real life for the victims participating in the doc.
I really appreciate your take on this. Coming from a legalistic background I had a hard time watching the series and stopped after the first episode because it seemed like a bunch of hurt people sharing their hurt while exposing it all- with no truth and grace to be shared. It was hard for me to get through because I knew it was the kind of documentary I feel some people thrive on. They wanted to see exposure to “prove” their ideas of Christianity being bad and the “cult” everyone swears your family was part of. But as always you came in and reviewed this with class, grace and a wise point of view. Thank you.
I appreciate this ❤ I kept Jesus in a closet for so many years because of being hurt within the church and I am just honestly so grateful that He is so incredibly good and loves me enough to keep on pursuing me. He is our redemption, not religion. I was recently asked, "what religion are you?", my response came out so naturally for the first time ever. "I believe in my bible from cover to cover. It's all God's word and I identify as a Christian, christ follower, child of God." Thank you for being so open. One last comment, The devil will weave a thread of truth into a lie and make it seem so real and convincing, so it is hard and you have a discerning spirit constantly.
I wish that 20 years ago when I left my fundamentalist religion I had heard this. You were on point that we need a direction to go to next especially when dealing with religious trauma. It has taken over 20 years to come back to God and I still find myself having difficulty seeing God for who he really is, can barely say the name Jesus and absolutely cant walk into any church. It still tears me up because i was called to ministry and was so involved, and when I left I had to figure out how to live outside it and walked away from God because I thought He failed me and wasn’t real. Now I know it was man’s interpretation of God not God. Grateful though even in my still struggle I still somehow believe that God is faithful and even though I walked away from religious harm and control God never walked away from me even when I thought I hated Him.
I 100% agree with you Jinger. I watched the docu-series and I agree that some of it was true. But really left people without hope which made me VERY sad. I so desperately wanted to sit down with those people and say, “don’t let Bill Gothard turn you away from Jesus! He lied about who Jesus is, there is so much more and better things to Jesus than what Bill Gothard proclaimed! Forget Bill and give Jesus a real chance!”
I greatly respect how your husband Jeremy explained the justice of christ and how being truly forgiven means you are willing to accept the consequences of your actions. He is very smart and articulate. ❤😊😊
The point was to expose the IBLP not solve everyone’s issues surrounding it. It did just what it was meant to do. So I disagree that it should have had some kind of ending.
@@angellicawentworth971 I agree and I don't really feel as though Jinger is truly "Free Indeed" I feel she has moved from one cult religion to another although l less constrictive. Daddy Jim Bob always makes his kids put out videos like this or to show a perfect happy family through his other children doing damage control. Jinger to an extent is still under his thumb. That's my opinion.
Finally, someone said it! I agree. She just didn't want to look like the asshole. Where Jill is actually speaking out against IBLP and the harmful practices.
Hi J&J. Good short discussion. I’m coming out from Catholicism and it is definitely not an easy process either. We didn’t experience the same teaching From a man like gothard but we were definitely not taught the true word and the story of the Bible the way I’m finding it’s to be taught. Here I am a grown woman learning to read and understand the Bible and it’s hard. I think the generation that had enough of gothard come from a generation of people who are not just followers but want to know the whys as well as truths and as a whole society becomes more and more skeptical and want to know and learn and not just follow because it’s what you were blindly taught and dare not question. These are imo as I still have so much to learn
You know sweet Jinger, we all say Christ uses all things for His good. That is so so true. Sadly, I truly believe that if this whole thing with Josh hadn't come about I don't think this stuff would have been exposed!
I think it would have been exposed eventually, especially since some of the kids have steered away from iblp. But they've also steered away from the control of their dad, especially.
I sometimes wonder what Josh's life would have been like if he had been truly repentant and had actually turned to the Lord after his 1st incident when he was 14 years old!!
It’s admirable and encouraging to hear you, Jinger and Jeremy speak well and honestly about the stories coning out. Thank you for using wisdom and grace.
I really enjoyed this video and the book! The fact that you gave encouragement in hope post these experiences is what will bring fruit for Christ. Keep trusting Christ and pray your ministry as a family will thrive because Christ loves us soooo much 🇨🇦 ❤
I hate to be the bearer of bad news… but Jim Bob has basically disowned any kid that left IBLP. It’s a dangerous misogynistic religious faction- and that is why these atrocities happen. He will never leave.
Loved hearing your perspective after watching it myself. I wasn’t surprised when all of Christianity, IBLP, and lifestyle things like traditional roles or homeschooling were lumped together. As you said, it was produced from a non-believing stand point so we really couldn’t expect them to see the difference between what is Biblical versus legalism or down right sin.
You must have watched a Shiny Happy People documentary that was different than the one what I watched. The documentary I watched was about the IBLP cult and not an attack on Christianity or Bible or “sin.” Christians need to accept that there are MANY bad cults, like the IBLP, that hide under the Christianity mask that destroy people and families. Cults like that need to be called out and reported on. Instead of seeing it as an attack on the Bible or Christianity or whatever, Christians should rally around to help destroy these cults as they reflect badly on Christianity. Cults like the IBLP, Mormonism, Scientology, etc. are exactly why many people are leaving Christianity for good. So instead of seeing these documentaries as an attack on Christianity, see it for what it is….an attack on a cult that gives Christianity a bad name and causes many, many people to turn their backs on Christianity.
I attended IBLP seminars as a teenager, and as a young adult, newly married. The teaching did influence our parenting, and is probably the reason we have eight children. We did not get caught up in the Homeschool curriculum put out by Bill Gothard, although we did homeschool our children. A number of years ago when things started coming out about Bill Gothard, I was truly shocked. I am so glad that quite a number of the Duggar children have gotten out from under all of that and discovered what true faith in Christ is. As I sit here in my living room, I can see Character Sketch books on my bookshelf.
Jinger, I admire how well spoken you are. I feel like listening to you, one wouldn’t sense any type of bias because you do so well of keeping your bias out of things.
I was raised catholic but around the time I had my two children I went through about 4 years I was mad at god. As a new mom I struggled with the idea of god allowing so much destruction. With a few years of maturity I was able to see that god wasn’t letting me down I was. This was a huge milestone for me in accountability. It is easy to blame others for deceiving you but at some point you have to take responsibility for your actions. Children are innocent little people though who can’t advocate for themselves and that’s where you see the severing from anyone who will try to force you to see the truth. I believe that is the greatest sin of all. These people preached death and destruction if you don’t do exactly what I say when God was a teaching man who would want you to go out and learn everything you need to learn and I will always be here to welcome you home. No death and destruction. He will be there for everyone good or bad no matter what. That is the message of God.
I watched it when it first came out and have a terrible memory for what I watch, but I feel like I remember thinking how sad it was that some of the folks are atheists now. There were also points where I felt the documentary made Christianity in general sound terrible. You guys are right, though. The producers are not believers, so we can't expect them to encourage those who are. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for sharing. I hope I get to read your book soon. I didn’t grow up in IBLP but I did grow up conservative baptist and I designated with some of the ideals that they talked about in shiny happy people and made me really sad in my spirit that different religions really believe certain things to be good for you that I find I have trauma associated with. I now own my faith and my personal relationship with Christ much like you and I hope people understand the difference between being a true Christian and religious Christianity
Karen, girl I have had many of the same experiences!! Mine wasn't in my church buy I had gone to a conservative Bapt College! Many of my friends were left so screwed up in our thinking and it took years for us to get our relationship with Christ back on track! It's all about the relationship we have not or religion. It stated in the garden, satan telling them they could be their own God. We have tried ever since. Grace scares people! They want to be in control and the more they do the more they try to control all those around them! Not Jesus! Think about all of the rules the Jewish leaders had put on their people to remain in contol!!!
Me three! I was raised strict Baptist. I have been in therapy for a long time. Hardest part for me, is I ❤ my family but most are still in religion. My father, Poppy, is still a minister in this religion. I am in therapy. I am their only child to be in this religion, I have not been member for many years but would still occasionally end up at one of the churches. I pray that we all find peace and happiness in our lives.
I appreciate you Ginger for doing this because the world will look for ways to discredit Christianity altogether, it's a tactic of the enemy. The Lord would want to work the good out of the situation and bring Healing. I think you should talk more about that.
As Christian’s, everything we do should state and recognize the suffering and pain and sin in this broken world, but also and always to point all to Christ. Lifting up problems and sin without lifting higher the Answer is a waste of sharing in the first place. Everyone who suffers seeks answers to their pain and suffering. And we as Christian have the Answer! He has rescued us from pain and suffering why shouldn’t we point others to that ultimate relief!? Amen Jinger. Preach the gospel! It’s all of humanities hope.
Good job, Jinger. And I know you are supportive of Jill for sharing on there as well. And Amy. Between your book and Jill's book, there's a bunch of songs that come to mind. I hope you and Jill are talking about it and continuing to support each other
Totally agree with everything you're saying here. As a sister in Christ and somebody who cares, I strongly urge you to look into John MacArthur and ACBC counseling. It's not as blatant and well known as Bill Gothard's teachings, but some of it sounds very similar. I say this as someone who is so cautious to bash teachers like him. I had a lot of respect for him and I was not looking for a problem. I was horrified.
People think Jinger has broken free from dogmatic and cult like Christian Churches where in fact her and her husband have just subscribed to another dogmatic leader and Christian cult. They just look less outlandish and live in a cool and liberal city. In reality, their leader preaches a lot of hate towards other Christian groups and anyone that goes against his views. Nothing has fundamentally changed at all.
I came out of Mormonism several years ago and became a born again Christian. I absolutely loved watching your family over the years, and seeing you kids all grow up and start families of your own. The enemy hated your family and waited for some sort of failure. My heart broke for your whole family as fleshly failures became public and the enemy became gleeful about "exposing" your family. That said, I absolutely loved your book. My heart broke at the understanding of the things I didn't know that were going on, but as a Christian who understands the sinful nature of man, as well as the damage of cult like teachings,I wasn't shocked. What stood out most was your desire to point people to a proper view of Christ and the way you honored your parents, flaws and all. It was the RIGHT way. That documentary was awful! The pain of the terrible teachings was evident and understandable, but it mocked and dishonored, and it left me feeling dirty after watching it. It had a worldly distastefulness that played into the enemy's hands and gave them exactly what they have wanted for years. I wondered at the damage this has done between family members, rather than shine a light of Biblical truths that could bring truth to light and correction to flawed thinking and teachings. I know God can work through and bring absolute healing and restoration to your family, and I pray that it does come in time.
I was raised pentecost , and I understand the Duggers of religion. I am very fond of the Bates , and the Duggers . Been watching them many years, and now watching them as adults, and there families. I truly enjoy them , and there beautiful families. I can relate to the old teachings of religion. Amen that we know the truth in are time . We still have to be careful of preaching and teaching. God is love , and I love him . I believe he died on the cross for our sins. Thank you, and Godbless you
This was such a breath of fresh air! I am heartsick to see so many people respond to their exposure to a bad version of Christianity by deconstructing their faith entirely. I feel that the documentary presumed that this was the only realistic response to IBLP (deconstruction), as if any form of Christianity was toxic. Thank you for taking the care and time to show another option, that it’s possible to still have a relationship with God on the other side of rejecting false teachings.
I enjoyed the documentary and Jinger’s book. I love that she had the power and choice to choose how to tell her story. She could say yes and no. I absolutely understand why she wanted to control the narrative. She’s absolutely right that it could have been edited wrong. Very inspired by Jinger and also her sister Jill, who found the right decision, for her, was to be involved with the documentary.
Bless you dear sweet lady. I cannot imagine what it was like for you to watch a docuseries about your own family. I have head about "Shiny Happy People" but did not care to watch it. I grew up watching your family on tv and I have grown to love all of you. I am so proud of you and all of your siblings. Much love and prayers.
I grew up with conservative Christian parents, but we weren't IBLP. We knew people in the IBLP. It was so extreme. The sad thing to me is many completely left the faith because their upbringing was so rigid. Instead of Gothard pointing many to Christ, many walked away. As Christians we definitely have right and wrong issues, but the IBLP was too controlling in families. Thank you for sharing Jinger.
I have friends who left the LDS church & no longer believe in God. I respect that 100%. I'm just sad that they followed what they thought was God for a long time only to realize how toxic it is. I hope they can see who Christ really is.
I grew up in a church adjacent to Gothards’s Institute in some teaching, physical location and personal connections. Some of the people within his org attended our church but kept at a distance. For example their children did not participate in Sunday school classes or youth group. Your book and this documentary gave me a clearer picture to what was going on and sort of relieved that how we felt was happening was wrong. My family was definitely impacted by this but thankfully my parents did not get sucked in and we survived with our faith in Jesus still intact. What bothered me about the documentary was that I did not see any faithful Christians featured and saying what Gothard taught is NOT true Biblical Christianity. It seemed to conflate all Christianity into this cultish behavior and teaching just as you pointed out the way they showed belief in creation. I really appreciated your book and how you built back up your faith in God and his Word. Disentangling is spot on!
Deconstruction doesn’t mean forgetting God. It’s dismantling the system of believes that a group or institution taught you so you can reconnect with God, or not… because this is what I found beautiful, that God made us free to choose to have faith or not.
My opinion of Gothard is that he was legalistic. My mom took me to his seminars when I was a preteen, and I can remember how it shaped her. She was also legalistic back then. We also were southern Baptists and the combo can lead one to be legalistic and performant. It can definitely be damaging. My mom took me because of her fear of the direction I was heading. She was concerned because of the people I was hanging around. So I have so much grace for her because she was acting out of fear. Later, she left the Baptist Church and went to Bible Churches and even a Messianic temple for years. I've struggled with legalism as well. But thank goodness God gave us His word, which breaks the chains of legalism.
Always go back to the word of God. Gothard's teachings was toxic but God is not toxic. I'm so glad Jinger that you and your other siblings who have woken up to the truth have done exactly that AND stayed building your faith and relationship with God. God is ALWAYS walking with you even when things look really bad. He is always right there with you. Trust Him!
I had the same thought that the conclusion was lacking, and ended with a leftist viewpoint that I expected Amazon would do with Jill's story. Like you said, you have no control over where a public company will edit and take the story. I am glad Jill told her story in video, I heard things that I had heard from my parents and church in my childhood, and it prompted me to ask my parents about it. They absolutely had been to some of the bill got hard conferences back in the 70's and mo. still has a handbook somewhere. Fortunately their church didn't fully embrace the movement and I did not experience the damage your family has. Thanks for sharing your story, and I can't wait to read your book as well.
Thanks for sharing with the rest of us how you felt about the documentary. I watched it and agree with you that Mr. Gothard was not doing what God wanted him to do. Nor was he speaking with a humble heart that God wants us to have. Blessings and Merry Christmas
Jinger I love that you want to focus on the redemption of Christ. You and Jeremy seem so gracious and grounded in the truth rather than bitterness and anger over it all.
I have been holding back from watching that documentary as I thought it was just meant to tear down your family. I don't support things like that. I have never seen or read anything from Gothard so I have no dog in that fight. But now that I know you have watched it, I may check it out to learn. Thanks for your authenticity and faithfulness to God.
Right on Jinger! I saw the documentary. And at the end it's sad to see those broken people who put there trust in man instead of God! Now it's like they have no hope. Nobody has pointed them back to Jesus who is the Healer the Redeemer their Saviour! The Light of this world! We've all been thru stuff. And at the end of the day no matter what anyone has gone thru Jesus is the answer.!
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but a lot of Becoming Free Indeed from what I hear is mainly tiptoeing as opposed to calling out the insanity as it is. Jill also didn't sign an NDA, otherwise we never would've known the truth.
As a minister of the gospel, you are correct to advise people to know God's Word for themselves. There are a lot of false preachers and as the Word says they will be judged more harshly. Homeschool is a last alternative for some. It should not be, you guys turned out Amazing! I loved watching your family over the years. God Bless
Great interview. Respectful and I agre in yhe first few minutes to why not yo do it. But youre right that we don't want people to just walk away from Christianity all together from IBLP and the special.
Everything's edited and she knows it! The only thing that gets me about Bill Gothard is his audacity to tell someone how to run a marriage or how to raise kids when he's not married or has kids! That's what Jinger started to question! I'm proud of her!
Most people in it won’t question because they’ve been trained not to question. But another factor is they would probably point out is that most of the marriage advice in the Bible were written by Paul, who was also not married.
Jinger, I've always been a Duggar fan. I always will be. I think some of the teachings were the right idea, but wrong execution. I love how you've grown to understand and ask questions. Evolving is natural and you're so intellectual and encouraging now, I really appreciate you. You both are a great example of life partners, you guys are learning so much about each other and make an incredible team. God bless you two forever.
I just found you on here and watched Shiny Happy People (hadn’t heard of it) before continuing this. I want to say I am so impressed and proud that you have been able to see the twisted Word that Godard spoke. He definitely was used by Satan to deceive many. Look at what Satan tempted Jesus with, it was God’s Word, but twisted, however, Jesus used God’s Word in the correct form to come against the temptations in the wilderness. So many other things I see in Godly character in you, but too long to list. Unfortunately, that harmful teaching can turn many away from Jesus and they view Christians as an enemy wanting to control, when in reality is: we are to take our cross, in our own convictions, through our own relationship with God rightly divine the Word of Truth….not someone else interpretations. We work out our own salvation with Him! I am sure you get lots of negative, but I am so proud of you and your sister Jill. It took courage! Thank you for sharing. I hope you reach many for Christ, as he is everything!
Religion has been a tool to control the masses. If you think there is a higher being that is watching you and you have to be accountable to then you will behave in a certain way. You can still be a nice person and not follow any religion.I'm glad you managed to break free of the cult you grew up in. I have a lot of respect for you women who broke free and made lives for yourself. It was wrong what your Dad did too earning all that money off you all and not paying you for being the main part of the show. I am so glad you are free now x
I can never again walk in a church an feel god! I feel God in the earth an I see him in the beauty in his creation.I meet him in the ppl I see along the way who share their stories an love with me, the love of my fellow man.. God is in everything. The biggest thing I see is where God isn't. An I pay attention .. I've deconstructed with a plan of who I want to be. An a understanding of gods unconditional love for me an you....that we are all connected.God put us here to love without judgement an with out forcing personal understanding an beliefs based on a personal idea of someone who isnt God. I feel like God loves me without condition! Its up to me to figure out my place an til then I tell ppl god is outside inside an upsidedown....find him where you seek him in your own heart!!!✌🏼💗😊
Genuine question: you think someone finding their voice and escaping the abuse is wonderful. But you think they’re hopeless and broken thereafter if they choose to leave Christianity altogether? If someone chooses secular therapy, doctors, medication while skipping God altogether…they’re just…hopeless? I’m trying to understand because that feels disingenuous and counterproductive to being happy that someone is happy and healing. And sure, some people may heal AND choose Christianity but those 2 things don’t have to happen together to be genuinely happy for someone who escapes potentially a lifetime of abuse. You’d think simply being happy for them and supporting them rather than trying to corral them into some other view that YOU think is right would be enough. There doesn’t have to be anything more than whatever joy and healing that person finds.
You made the right decision. The docu was a little disappointing the way it portrayed homeschooling and i think christianity from what I remember when I watched it a while ago.
Yes! I was annoyed by that too! Like they lumped all homeschoolers and Christians together. They clearly had no clue what they were talking about when it came to that part.
That wasn't the point of the documentary. Exposing the truth ,is what it was about. The series as shocking and sad for all victims of the iblp. I feel for the victims.
Spot on, spot on!! I’ve always enjoyed y’all, but the more I get to “know” y’all through these vlogs, the more I love y’all as a couple lol. Y’all are a true class act. I couldn’t agree more.
Is Jessa still living under the rules of the cult? My favorite thing about the show was your relationship with Jessa! I hope that’s not changed, and if it has, I hope it’s not irreparably changed. I would give anything to have a sister, let alone one that was my best friend.
I think it’s incredibly brave to speak up to help others x you obviously have a pure, beautiful heart x I wish only the best for you and your family xo 😘 ❤
I was sad when I heard the people on the show saying they gave up on God because of what a fallible man was teaching. They threw out the baby with the bath water. Because of this man's evil teachings and behavior so many have lost faith and I pray that God sends someone their way to bring them back. Maybe that was your book. ❤
Jeremy, you said what I couldn't find the words to say. I am a Bible believer, and I felt almost personally attacked by some of the comments in shiny happy people. I believe in creation, and I don't want to be lumped in with Gothard's crazy teachings because I believe in Christ's teachings, and they shouldn't overlap, but the documentary overlapped the beliefs.
I deconstructed and still love the teachings of Jesus so Christian Atheism is where I'm at. My logic is that there is no way the world was created in 7 days but that doesn't negate the loving message of love, unity and inclusion that the story of Jesus teaches us.
We have to do a better job of allowing people to speak to their experiences and feelings without have to say whether they are right or wrong. And this doesn’t have anything to do with J&J’s comments as much as just a general statement and reply to some comments here. This is where they are and how they feel. You don’t need to correct them or criticize. Just let it be.
Something not brought up I would love to hear your perspective on. It's not about just speaking truth. The Bible says "Speak the truth in love" Eph 4:15 Personally yes I also admire telling their stories it is hard., however, I don't think Shiny Happy People spoke the truth in love at all. God calls all to repentance and like Saul who became Paul would welcome Bill Gothard and the other leaders if they turn to Him and wants them too. I admire you for speaking your truth in love in a way that leads all back to the light of Christ!!
Hopefully, Jinger, you ( and Jill) can get through to some of your siblings. Another question you never address is the similarities ( and there are some) to your present church and John McArthur. Have ylu compared and contrasted those similarities?
Shiny happy people was a pretty big dissappintment considering it really gave Christianity as a whole a really bad light and homeschooling as well. They could have done it way better.
I honestly couldn't finish it. It was so upsetting to watch. I think I finished the first 2 episodes and then quit. We weren't IBLP, but were strict old fashioned Baptists and I think some of the similar teachings hurt both me, and then the children we raised under that system (We left the rules around 10 years ago.).
I actually agree with her at the beginning. I think it’s great that Jill was in the documentary because she was truthful but I would not have chosen to. Especially the way they made the ending. Anyone who talks about God on the internet is now “part of the movement” silly.
I’d like to add I wish Jinger would now get away from John - his teachings are quite literally doctrines of devils. Anti New Testament… anti power of the Holy Spirit. 💔😢 just read the Bible as it is Jinger and ask God to show you please 🙏🏼 much love
Jim Bob is clearly a covert narcissist, and Jill is the scapegoat. It's a classic dynamic with narcissistic parents. Jill is not only exposing the IBLP, but she is also exposing Jim Bob's true nature. So JB is doing every kind of emotional manipulation he can think of to get her to stop...and his usual tactics aren't working. Hence, his treatment of her. It's pretty scary and sad.
Jimbob had other goals for the money and he did not appreciate Derek trying to call him out, it's like his son in law challenging his house. It's still sad that Jill can't be comfortable with her family anymore, I do hope they can figure it out.
I watched a trailer of the documentary after which i thought to myself, "no thanks, I'll pass". Not because I dont have or feel compassionate towards those who were trapped inside IBLP, but because I got the feeling it was just gonna bash Christianity at large.
@greenbean88 yeah I totally got that vibe. I figured there'd be a leftist/woke narrative attached to after hearing one of the narrators in the trailer desbribe the "white conservative patriarchy". That told me all I needed to know.
My favorite part of you & Jill’s story is that you still follow God. While you were having to be in these situations God still revealed himself to y’all and made your eyes be open to the truth of Jesus Christ. You had every opportunity to go in the other direction, but you still chose Jesus. I think that’s the beauty of your story. Loving the Lord and speaking God’s truth to others.
Amen.
Agreed! Well said.
Same!
Joseph Smith, in Mormonism, has been my Bill Gothard. So much of your story resonates with me. I was raised in a polygamist family with 20 kids and later joined mainstream Mormonism where there was no polygamy, but still they believed the same Joseph smith was a true prophet of God. It messed with me so much. I left a year ago and have found true freedom and love from the real Christ. The pain from
healing is so real though. There are so many sheep in wolves clothing. The leaders come across as so sweet and nice, yet have deceived so many. You have made me feel less alone. Thank you for your voice!❤
Seeing this comment brings me joy . I was born and raised in Utah for 10 years where my parents were Home Missionaries meaning we served in the US . Our work was ministering to Mormons as they chose to leave the LDS church . I’m so thankful God opened your eyes to the truth .
Exmo here too and I agree ❤
Wow! Love to hear your story and so thankful to God that you were able to leave those false teachings and come to the true Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
ExIFB - happy to see the now adults trying to sort out their minds on their own time and in the way in which they need.
Amen, only Jesus!
"No matter who you are sitting under always have an open Bible..." - Jinger
This is a very wise advice! Stay in your prayer closet and have your Bibles open!
Thankyou for this.
I'm an X jehovahs witness I get it.
Saved by Jesus took a long time getting here
God bless
Jinger, when you commented that you were grateful to the people who did share their stories on Shiny Happy People I hope you were referring to Jill. She has been very brave.
It’s not your place to tell her who to be grateful to.
'i Hope' isn't telling someone what to do. It's a hope. @@dearleah7299
She didn’t tell her anything. She said I hope you were referring to Jill. As do I. I also HOPE that. Which is completely different than your comment.
@@Tracylyn42 I wasn’t talking to you
@@dearleah7299 no. You were talking to me. And I stand by what I said. I HOPE, not demand, that she is grateful to Jill. They are sisters and life is too short not to value family
I would love to hear Jeremy’s point of view on IBLP and what his thoughts were while courting and learning more about it.
She talked about it in her book.
They have talked about this in some interviews and I think in their vlog too.
Read her book. She discusses that specifically and how he handled it in detail.
I’ve read her book and saw the other interviews but it was short and simple. I would love to see just him and his views in more depth.
yeah 100% ! i really want to hear too as I admire and respect him so much❤
Thanks for your comments on this. Because you have come out of this with faith intact, it is important to stay clear of the messages that throw out true Christianity with the teachings of cult leaders who use the Bible to deceive. So happy for you and your sisters who have broken free with faith intact.
Unfortunately, Jinger has just transferred to another dogmatic leader. Not much has changed.
Fully agree. ❤
Great job!!! Jeremy you’re a great interviewer!!! Jinger, I’ve been watching you for years and I must say you have handled things so well. I’m just so proud. 🤗
It’s refreshing to see Jinger beginning to think for herself. It’s a long road and process ♥️
As a participant in Shiny Happy People, specifically the one shouted out by Jeremy about sharing stories, I found this video to be a very in depth review of Jinger's book.
I agree 1,000 percent
lol
Maybe that’s kinder than an honest review of SHP? I couldn’t even watch the entire thing. I do think she could have said her entire message in this video in one or two sentences.
Thank you Jinger for sharing your story with the redemptive quality of Jesus.
Listening to you makes me so grateful for my Pastor. I loved your book and it brought me closer to the teachings of scripture. I was beginning my journey back to Christ just as your book came out and because of you I began re-reading scripture with new eyes and heart. Thank you Jinger, thank you so much.
Hunger, I really appreciate your book because for the last 20 years I’ve been disentangling my own beliefs from the cult teaching I was raised with from the truth I read in the Bible. Although I wasn’t part of the IBLP group, as you’ve said there are plenty of misguided people out there. For the last 16 or so years I’ve been ‘going it alone’ because I didn’t trust getting involved with another Church. I studied on my own, but found that I was missing fellowship. Thank you for bringing your experiences into the open and letting the rest us know we’re not alone.
Sorry this happened to you. I am in a somewhat similar situation, not bc of teachings but bc of the actions of many so called Christians I was associated with in a particular family situation, where they literally dropped me like a hot potato. So I have ptsd now when I go to a Church where I know any of the people.
The documentary was deep. I pray that the entire Duggar family broke free from IBLP cult. I always enjoyed watching 19 Kids & counting. Praying for the family!
I hope you are right too but it is extremely difficult for someone raised in a cult to see it and get out. The cult victims often times are forced to pick between pretending to be in the cult so they can keep their friends and family or get out and become shunned by these people. It really is awful.
I totally get Jinger's point about being concerned there wouldn't be any help for the victims at the end of the doc. I haven't seen it, but it seems many docs like it do well at exposing the abuse but unfortunately also exploit the victims without offering any real help for them. It's a "movie" for the viewers but it's real life for the victims participating in the doc.
Did she offer help for victims in her book?
I think writing the book was her way of helping people
I really appreciate your take on this. Coming from a legalistic background I had a hard time watching the series and stopped after the first episode because it seemed like a bunch of hurt people sharing their hurt while exposing it all- with no truth and grace to be shared. It was hard for me to get through because I knew it was the kind of documentary I feel some people thrive on. They wanted to see exposure to “prove” their ideas of Christianity being bad and the “cult” everyone swears your family was part of. But as always you came in and reviewed this with class, grace and a wise point of view. Thank you.
I think its smart to be in charge about how your words are being used.
I appreciate this ❤
I kept Jesus in a closet for so many years because of being hurt within the church and I am just honestly so grateful that He is so incredibly good and loves me enough to keep on pursuing me. He is our redemption, not religion.
I was recently asked, "what religion are you?", my response came out so naturally for the first time ever. "I believe in my bible from cover to cover. It's all God's word and I identify as a Christian, christ follower, child of God."
Thank you for being so open.
One last comment,
The devil will weave a thread of truth into a lie and make it seem so real and convincing, so it is hard and you have a discerning spirit constantly.
I wish that 20 years ago when I left my fundamentalist religion I had heard this. You were on point that we need a direction to go to next especially when dealing with religious trauma. It has taken over 20 years to come back to God and I still find myself having difficulty seeing God for who he really is, can barely say the name Jesus and absolutely cant walk into any church. It still tears me up because i was called to ministry and was so involved, and when I left I had to figure out how to live outside it and walked away from God because I thought He failed me and wasn’t real. Now I know it was man’s interpretation of God not God. Grateful though even in my still struggle I still somehow believe that God is faithful and even though I walked away from religious harm and control God never walked away from me even when I thought I hated Him.
I 100% agree with you Jinger. I watched the docu-series and I agree that some of it was true. But really left people without hope which made me VERY sad. I so desperately wanted to sit down with those people and say, “don’t let Bill Gothard turn you away from Jesus! He lied about who Jesus is, there is so much more and better things to Jesus than what Bill Gothard proclaimed! Forget Bill and give Jesus a real chance!”
I greatly respect how your husband Jeremy explained the justice of christ and how being truly forgiven means you are willing to accept the consequences of your actions. He is very smart and articulate. ❤😊😊
The point was to expose the IBLP not solve everyone’s issues surrounding it. It did just what it was meant to do. So I disagree that it should have had some kind of ending.
I agree!
I agree. I think this video is mainly damage control and less about the victims.
And I think as long as something like the IBLP continues, there's no nicely wrapped ending with a bow on top.
@@angellicawentworth971 I agree and I don't really feel as though Jinger is truly "Free Indeed" I feel she has moved from one cult religion to another although l less constrictive. Daddy Jim Bob always makes his kids put out videos like this or to show a perfect happy family through his other children doing damage control. Jinger to an extent is still under his thumb. That's my opinion.
Finally, someone said it! I agree. She just didn't want to look like the asshole. Where Jill is actually speaking out against IBLP and the harmful practices.
Hi J&J. Good short discussion. I’m coming out from Catholicism and it is definitely not an easy process either. We didn’t experience the same teaching From a man like gothard but we were definitely not taught the true word and the story of the Bible the way I’m finding it’s to be taught. Here I am a grown woman learning to read and understand the Bible and it’s hard. I think the generation that had enough of gothard come from a generation of people who are not just followers but want to know the whys as well as truths and as a whole society becomes more and more skeptical and want to know and learn and not just follow because it’s what you were blindly taught and dare not question. These are imo as I still have so much to learn
You know sweet Jinger, we all say Christ uses all things for His good. That is so so true. Sadly, I truly believe that if this whole thing with Josh hadn't come about I don't think this stuff would have been exposed!
I think it would have been exposed eventually, especially since some of the kids have steered away from iblp. But they've also steered away from the control of their dad, especially.
I sometimes wonder what Josh's life would have been like if he had been truly repentant and had actually turned to the Lord after his 1st incident when he was 14 years old!!
Proud of jill and amy to speak their truth!!
I agree
Then go tell that to them on their social media🙄
It’s admirable and encouraging to hear you, Jinger and Jeremy speak well and honestly about the stories coning out. Thank you for using wisdom and grace.
I really enjoyed this video and the book! The fact that you gave encouragement in hope post these experiences is what will bring fruit for Christ. Keep trusting Christ and pray your ministry as a family will thrive because Christ loves us soooo much 🇨🇦 ❤
I hate to be the bearer of bad news… but Jim Bob has basically disowned any kid that left IBLP. It’s a dangerous misogynistic religious faction- and that is why these atrocities happen. He will never leave.
Loved hearing your perspective after watching it myself. I wasn’t surprised when all of Christianity, IBLP, and lifestyle things like traditional roles or homeschooling were lumped together. As you said, it was produced from a non-believing stand point so we really couldn’t expect them to see the difference between what is Biblical versus legalism or down right sin.
You must have watched a Shiny Happy People documentary that was different than the one what I watched. The documentary I watched was about the IBLP cult and not an attack on Christianity or Bible or “sin.” Christians need to accept that there are MANY bad cults, like the IBLP, that hide under the Christianity mask that destroy people and families. Cults like that need to be called out and reported on. Instead of seeing it as an attack on the Bible or Christianity or whatever, Christians should rally around to help destroy these cults as they reflect badly on Christianity. Cults like the IBLP, Mormonism, Scientology, etc. are exactly why many people are leaving Christianity for good. So instead of seeing these documentaries as an attack on Christianity, see it for what it is….an attack on a cult that gives Christianity a bad name and causes many, many people to turn their backs on Christianity.
I attended IBLP seminars as a teenager, and as a young adult, newly married. The teaching did influence our parenting, and is probably the reason we have eight children. We did not get caught up in the Homeschool curriculum put out by Bill Gothard, although we did homeschool our children. A number of years ago when things started coming out about Bill Gothard, I was truly shocked. I am so glad that quite a number of the Duggar children have gotten out from under all of that and discovered what true faith in Christ is. As I sit here in my living room, I can see Character Sketch books on my bookshelf.
Jinger, I admire how well spoken you are. I feel like listening to you, one wouldn’t sense any type of bias because you do so well of keeping your bias out of things.
I was raised catholic but around the time I had my two children I went through about 4 years I was mad at god. As a new mom I struggled with the idea of god allowing so much destruction. With a few years of maturity I was able to see that god wasn’t letting me down I was. This was a huge milestone for me in accountability. It is easy to blame others for deceiving you but at some point you have to take responsibility for your actions. Children are innocent little people though who can’t advocate for themselves and that’s where you see the severing from anyone who will try to force you to see the truth. I believe that is the greatest sin of all. These people preached death and destruction if you don’t do exactly what I say when God was a teaching man who would want you to go out and learn everything you need to learn and I will always be here to welcome you home. No death and destruction. He will be there for everyone good or bad no matter what. That is the message of God.
I watched it when it first came out and have a terrible memory for what I watch, but I feel like I remember thinking how sad it was that some of the folks are atheists now. There were also points where I felt the documentary made Christianity in general sound terrible. You guys are right, though. The producers are not believers, so we can't expect them to encourage those who are. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for sharing. I hope I get to read your book soon. I didn’t grow up in IBLP but I did grow up conservative baptist and I designated with some of the ideals that they talked about in shiny happy people and made me really sad in my spirit that different religions really believe certain things to be good for you that I find I have trauma associated with. I now own my faith and my personal relationship with Christ much like you and I hope people understand the difference between being a true Christian and religious Christianity
Karen, girl I have had many of the same experiences!! Mine wasn't in my church buy I had gone to a conservative Bapt College! Many of my friends were left so screwed up in our thinking and it took years for us to get our relationship with Christ back on track! It's all about the relationship we have not or religion. It stated in the garden, satan telling them they could be their own God. We have tried ever since. Grace scares people! They want to be in control and the more they do the more they try to control all those around them! Not Jesus! Think about all of the rules the Jewish leaders had put on their people to remain in contol!!!
Me three! I was raised strict Baptist. I have been in therapy for a long time. Hardest part for me, is I ❤ my family but most are still in religion. My father, Poppy, is still a minister in this religion. I am in therapy. I am their only child to be in this religion, I have not been member for many years but would still occasionally end up at one of the churches. I pray that we all find peace and happiness in our lives.
I appreciate you Ginger for doing this because the world will look for ways to discredit Christianity altogether, it's a tactic of the enemy. The Lord would want to work the good out of the situation and bring Healing. I think you should talk more about that.
As Christian’s, everything we do should state and recognize the suffering and pain and sin in this broken world, but also and always to point all to Christ. Lifting up problems and sin without lifting higher the Answer is a waste of sharing in the first place. Everyone who suffers seeks answers to their pain and suffering. And we as Christian have the Answer! He has rescued us from pain and suffering why shouldn’t we point others to that ultimate relief!? Amen Jinger. Preach the gospel! It’s all of humanities hope.
Good job, Jinger. And I know you are supportive of Jill for sharing on there as well. And Amy. Between your book and Jill's book, there's a bunch of songs that come to mind. I hope you and Jill are talking about it and continuing to support each other
Totally agree with everything you're saying here.
As a sister in Christ and somebody who cares, I strongly urge you to look into John MacArthur and ACBC counseling. It's not as blatant and well known as Bill Gothard's teachings, but some of it sounds very similar.
I say this as someone who is so cautious to bash teachers like him.
I had a lot of respect for him and I was not looking for a problem.
I was horrified.
People think Jinger has broken free from dogmatic and cult like Christian Churches where in fact her and her husband have just subscribed to another dogmatic leader and Christian cult. They just look less outlandish and live in a cool and liberal city. In reality, their leader preaches a lot of hate towards other Christian groups and anyone that goes against his views. Nothing has fundamentally changed at all.
I came out of Mormonism several years ago and became a born again Christian. I absolutely loved watching your family over the years, and seeing you kids all grow up and start families of your own. The enemy hated your family and waited for some sort of failure. My heart broke for your whole family as fleshly failures became public and the enemy became gleeful about "exposing" your family. That said, I absolutely loved your book. My heart broke at the understanding of the things I didn't know that were going on, but as a Christian who understands the sinful nature of man, as well as the damage of cult like teachings,I wasn't shocked. What stood out most was your desire to point people to a proper view of Christ and the way you honored your parents, flaws and all. It was the RIGHT way. That documentary was awful! The pain of the terrible teachings was evident and understandable, but it mocked and dishonored, and it left me feeling dirty after watching it. It had a worldly distastefulness that played into the enemy's hands and gave them exactly what they have wanted for years. I wondered at the damage this has done between family members, rather than shine a light of Biblical truths that could bring truth to light and correction to flawed thinking and teachings. I know God can work through and bring absolute healing and restoration to your family, and I pray that it does come in time.
I listened to your book on audible and I really enjoyed it! Thank you for writing it! It really calmed my heart. ♥️
I'm half way through the book
I was raised pentecost , and I understand the Duggers of religion. I am very fond of the Bates , and the Duggers . Been watching them many years, and now watching them as adults, and there families. I truly enjoy them , and there beautiful families. I can relate to the old teachings of religion. Amen that we know the truth in are time . We still have to be careful of preaching and teaching. God is love , and I love him . I believe he died on the cross for our sins. Thank you, and Godbless you
It’s like Jill is “she who must not be named”
The silence on that is deafening!
This was such a breath of fresh air! I am heartsick to see so many people respond to their exposure to a bad version of Christianity by deconstructing their faith entirely. I feel that the documentary presumed that this was the only realistic response to IBLP (deconstruction), as if any form of Christianity was toxic.
Thank you for taking the care and time to show another option, that it’s possible to still have a relationship with God on the other side of rejecting false teachings.
I enjoyed the documentary and Jinger’s book.
I love that she had the power and choice to choose how to tell her story. She could say yes and no. I absolutely understand why she wanted to control the narrative.
She’s absolutely right that it could have been edited wrong. Very inspired by Jinger and also her sister Jill, who found the right decision, for her, was to be involved with the documentary.
I wasn’t raised in a “high demand” religion, but hearing the story of those who have had helped me in deconstructing and reconstructing my own faith.
Bless you dear sweet lady. I cannot imagine what it was like for you to watch a docuseries about your own family. I have head about "Shiny Happy People" but did not care to watch it. I grew up watching your family on tv and I have grown to love all of you. I am so proud of you and all of your siblings. Much love and prayers.
I grew up with conservative Christian parents, but we weren't IBLP. We knew people in the IBLP. It was so extreme. The sad thing to me is many completely left the faith because their upbringing was so rigid. Instead of Gothard pointing many to Christ, many walked away. As Christians we definitely have right and wrong issues, but the IBLP was too controlling in families. Thank you for sharing Jinger.
I have friends who left the LDS church & no longer believe in God. I respect that 100%. I'm just sad that they followed what they thought was God for a long time only to realize how toxic it is. I hope they can see who Christ really is.
I grew up in a church adjacent to Gothards’s Institute in some teaching, physical location and personal connections. Some of the people within his org attended our church but kept at a distance. For example their children did not participate in Sunday school classes or youth group. Your book and this documentary gave me a clearer picture to what was going on and sort of relieved that how we felt was happening was wrong. My family was definitely impacted by this but thankfully my parents did not get sucked in and we survived with our faith in Jesus still intact. What bothered me about the documentary was that I did not see any faithful Christians featured and saying what Gothard taught is NOT true Biblical Christianity. It seemed to conflate all Christianity into this cultish behavior and teaching just as you pointed out the way they showed belief in creation. I really appreciated your book and how you built back up your faith in God and his Word. Disentangling is spot on!
Deconstruction doesn’t mean forgetting God. It’s dismantling the system of believes that a group or institution taught you so you can reconnect with God, or not… because this is what I found beautiful, that God made us free to choose to have faith or not.
Read the Bible prior to following any teachings, if it doesn’t line up with what you’ve read and understood, reject! Bless you and your family!
I totally agree Jinger. It’s like what do I do now there was no discussion about how to disentangle and How to find a relationship with God
Wow, Ginger is a warm season! She looks so good in that color!
My opinion of Gothard is that he was legalistic. My mom took me to his seminars when I was a preteen, and I can remember how it shaped her. She was also legalistic back then. We also were southern Baptists and the combo can lead one to be legalistic and performant. It can definitely be damaging. My mom took me because of her fear of the direction I was heading. She was concerned because of the people I was hanging around. So I have so much grace for her because she was acting out of fear. Later, she left the Baptist Church and went to Bible Churches and even a Messianic temple for years. I've struggled with legalism as well. But thank goodness God gave us His word, which breaks the chains of legalism.
Always go back to the word of God. Gothard's teachings was toxic but God is not toxic. I'm so glad Jinger that you and your other siblings who have woken up to the truth have done exactly that AND stayed building your faith and relationship with God. God is ALWAYS walking with you even when things look really bad. He is always right there with you. Trust Him!
Great perspective. Im glad you shared.
I had the same thought that the conclusion was lacking, and ended with a leftist viewpoint that I expected Amazon would do with Jill's story. Like you said, you have no control over where a public company will edit and take the story. I am glad Jill told her story in video, I heard things that I had heard from my parents and church in my childhood, and it prompted me to ask my parents about it. They absolutely had been to some of the bill got hard conferences back in the 70's and mo. still has a handbook somewhere. Fortunately their church didn't fully embrace the movement and I did not experience the damage your family has. Thanks for sharing your story, and I can't wait to read your book as well.
Thanks for sharing with the rest of us how you felt about the documentary. I watched it and agree with you that Mr. Gothard was not doing what God wanted him to do. Nor was he speaking with a humble heart that God wants us to have. Blessings and Merry Christmas
So glad Jinger got away. I think Jeremy never had warm feelings for the family.
Jinger I love that you want to focus on the redemption of Christ. You and Jeremy seem so gracious and grounded in the truth rather than bitterness and anger over it all.
I have been holding back from watching that documentary as I thought it was just meant to tear down your family. I don't support things like that. I have never seen or read anything from Gothard so I have no dog in that fight. But now that I know you have watched it, I may check it out to learn. Thanks for your authenticity and faithfulness to God.
Thanks for the heads up. I don't want to support something that tears anyone down unneccesarily.@@greenbean8826
Right on Jinger! I saw the documentary. And at the end it's sad to see those broken people who put there trust in man instead of God! Now it's like they have no hope. Nobody has pointed them back to Jesus who is the Healer the Redeemer their Saviour! The Light of this world! We've all been thru stuff. And at the end of the day no matter what anyone has gone thru Jesus is the answer.!
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but a lot of Becoming Free Indeed from what I hear is mainly tiptoeing as opposed to calling out the insanity as it is. Jill also didn't sign an NDA, otherwise we never would've known the truth.
“From what I hear”. Did you read it? Perhaps read and then draw your own conclusions.
Her book wasn’t a tell all about her family, it was about her spiritual journey and finding truth within the Bible vs the IBLP teachings.
As a minister of the gospel, you are correct to advise people to know God's Word for themselves. There are a lot of false preachers and as the Word says they will be judged more harshly. Homeschool is a last alternative for some. It should not be, you guys turned out Amazing! I loved watching your family over the years.
God Bless
Great interview. Respectful and I agre in yhe first few minutes to why not yo do it. But youre right that we don't want people to just walk away from Christianity all together from IBLP and the special.
Everything's edited and she knows it! The only thing that gets me about Bill Gothard is his audacity to tell someone how to run a marriage or how to raise kids when he's not married or has kids! That's what Jinger started to question! I'm proud of her!
I don’t understand how people didn’t question this… but then again I do.
Most people in it won’t question because they’ve been trained not to question. But another factor is they would probably point out is that most of the marriage advice in the Bible were written by Paul, who was also not married.
Jinger, I've always been a Duggar fan. I always will be. I think some of the teachings were the right idea, but wrong execution. I love how you've grown to understand and ask questions. Evolving is natural and you're so intellectual and encouraging now, I really appreciate you. You both are a great example of life partners, you guys are learning so much about each other and make an incredible team. God bless you two forever.
Shiny Happy People was a real eye opener.
I’m glad you made it out on the other side. Jesus is the way, the light & the hope of my life. Your a survivor! I’m glad you found a loving husband.
Thank you, Jinger, for making this video! It’s been good to hear your take on the documentary! Soli Deo Gloria 💕
I just found you on here and watched Shiny Happy People (hadn’t heard of it) before continuing this. I want to say I am so impressed and proud that you have been able to see the twisted Word that Godard spoke. He definitely was used by Satan to deceive many. Look at what Satan tempted Jesus with, it was God’s Word, but twisted, however, Jesus used God’s Word in the correct form to come against the temptations in the wilderness. So many other things I see in Godly character in you, but too long to list. Unfortunately, that harmful teaching can turn many away from Jesus and they view Christians as an enemy wanting to control, when in reality is: we are to take our cross, in our own convictions, through our own relationship with God rightly divine the Word of Truth….not someone else interpretations. We work out our own salvation with Him! I am sure you get lots of negative, but I am so proud of you and your sister Jill. It took courage! Thank you for sharing. I hope you reach many for Christ, as he is everything!
Religion has been a tool to control the masses. If you think there is a higher being that is watching you and you have to be accountable to then you will behave in a certain way. You can still be a nice person and not follow any religion.I'm glad you managed to break free of the cult you grew up in. I have a lot of respect for you women who broke free and made lives for yourself. It was wrong what your Dad did too earning all that money off you all and not paying you for being the main part of the show. I am so glad you are free now x
I can never again walk in a church an feel god! I feel God in the earth an I see him in the beauty in his creation.I meet him in the ppl I see along the way who share their stories an love with me, the love of my fellow man.. God is in everything. The biggest thing I see is where God isn't. An I pay attention .. I've deconstructed with a plan of who I want to be. An a understanding of gods unconditional love for me an you....that we are all connected.God put us here to love without judgement an with out forcing personal understanding an beliefs based on a personal idea of someone who isnt God.
I feel like God loves me without condition! Its up to me to figure out my place an til then I tell ppl god is outside inside an upsidedown....find him where you seek him in your own heart!!!✌🏼💗😊
I really enjoy listening to both of you’ll / Ginger love your hair
I was going to mention her hair, it looks really pretty in this video.
yes yes yes! This interview is spot on. Well-done!
Genuine question: you think someone finding their voice and escaping the abuse is wonderful. But you think they’re hopeless and broken thereafter if they choose to leave Christianity altogether? If someone chooses secular therapy, doctors, medication while skipping God altogether…they’re just…hopeless? I’m trying to understand because that feels disingenuous and counterproductive to being happy that someone is happy and healing. And sure, some people may heal AND choose Christianity but those 2 things don’t have to happen together to be genuinely happy for someone who escapes potentially a lifetime of abuse. You’d think simply being happy for them and supporting them rather than trying to corral them into some other view that YOU think is right would be enough. There doesn’t have to be anything more than whatever joy and healing that person finds.
I watched Shiny Happy People. I think your synopsis was totally on point! Thanks for sharing. 👍🏻🤗
You made the right decision. The docu was a little disappointing the way it portrayed homeschooling and i think christianity from what I remember when I watched it a while ago.
I agree!
Yes! I was annoyed by that too! Like they lumped all homeschoolers and Christians together. They clearly had no clue what they were talking about when it came to that part.
The series was great exposing the Duggars and IBLP for what they truly are. Sick and twisted
That wasn't the point of the documentary. Exposing the truth ,is what it was about. The series as shocking and sad for all victims of the iblp. I feel for the victims.
@@blueangels8103 Deceived might be a better term. They believe the lies.
Thank you for this video the teachings of the iblp are very dangerous
Spot on, spot on!! I’ve always enjoyed y’all, but the more I get to “know” y’all through these vlogs, the more I love y’all as a couple lol. Y’all are a true class act.
I couldn’t agree more.
So so wise Jinger-you are correct. Don’t give someone else the power to misuse your words.
I love that!!! Always have a bible open
Is Jessa still living under the rules of the cult? My favorite thing about the show was your relationship with Jessa! I hope that’s not changed, and if it has, I hope it’s not irreparably changed. I would give anything to have a sister, let alone one that was my best friend.
I think it’s incredibly brave to speak up to help others x you obviously have a pure, beautiful heart x I wish only the best for you and your family xo 😘 ❤
I was sad when I heard the people on the show saying they gave up on God because of what a fallible man was teaching. They threw out the baby with the bath water. Because of this man's evil teachings and behavior so many have lost faith and I pray that God sends someone their way to bring them back. Maybe that was your book. ❤
I love see you live your life the way you want,the happiness the freedom ❤❤
God has given you true wisdom Jinger.
Jeremy, you said what I couldn't find the words to say. I am a Bible believer, and I felt almost personally attacked by some of the comments in shiny happy people. I believe in creation, and I don't want to be lumped in with Gothard's crazy teachings because I believe in Christ's teachings, and they shouldn't overlap, but the documentary overlapped the beliefs.
I deconstructed and still love the teachings of Jesus so Christian Atheism is where I'm at. My logic is that there is no way the world was created in 7 days but that doesn't negate the loving message of love, unity and inclusion that the story of Jesus teaches us.
Yall bounce off each other really well. Thank you for the chat!
We have to do a better job of allowing people to speak to their experiences and feelings without have to say whether they are right or wrong. And this doesn’t have anything to do with J&J’s comments as much as just a general statement and reply to some comments here. This is where they are and how they feel. You don’t need to correct them or criticize. Just let it be.
Something not brought up I would love to hear your perspective on. It's not about just speaking truth. The Bible says "Speak the truth in love" Eph 4:15 Personally yes I also admire telling their stories it is hard., however, I don't think Shiny Happy People spoke the truth in love at all. God calls all to repentance and like Saul who became Paul would welcome Bill Gothard and the other leaders if they turn to Him and wants them too. I admire you for speaking your truth in love in a way that leads all back to the light of Christ!!
I totally agree the best idea was to tell your story your way
I would like to see a discussion on Jill’s book
Hopefully, Jinger, you ( and Jill) can get through to some of your siblings. Another question you never address is the similarities ( and there are some) to your present church and John McArthur. Have ylu compared and contrasted those similarities?
Her current church is headed by John McArthur.
Shiny happy people was a pretty big dissappintment considering it really gave Christianity as a whole a really bad light and homeschooling as well. They could have done it way better.
It made me feel like that too
I’m so glad the Lord protected me from that. I had a lot of his teachings which I have got rid of them. I have always prayed to not be deceived.
I honestly couldn't finish it. It was so upsetting to watch. I think I finished the first 2 episodes and then quit.
We weren't IBLP, but were strict old fashioned Baptists and I think some of the similar teachings hurt both me, and then the children we raised under that system (We left the rules around 10 years ago.).
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This is awesome. I watched the doc series also, and this is an excellent evaluation of it.
I actually agree with her at the beginning. I think it’s great that Jill was in the documentary because she was truthful but I would not have chosen to. Especially the way they made the ending. Anyone who talks about God on the internet is now “part of the movement” silly.
I’d like to add I wish Jinger would now get away from John - his teachings are quite literally doctrines of devils. Anti New Testament… anti power of the Holy Spirit. 💔😢 just read the Bible as it is Jinger and ask God to show you please 🙏🏼 much love
I don't understand why Jinger can publicly say the teachings of IBLP is "dangerous" and her parents don't treat her like they treat Jill.
Jill’s request to be financially compensated for the work she and her husband did for the “Counting On” show appears to be the difference.
Jim Bob is clearly a covert narcissist, and Jill is the scapegoat. It's a classic dynamic with narcissistic parents. Jill is not only exposing the IBLP, but she is also exposing Jim Bob's true nature. So JB is doing every kind of emotional manipulation he can think of to get her to stop...and his usual tactics aren't working. Hence, his treatment of her. It's pretty scary and sad.
Jimbob had other goals for the money and he did not appreciate Derek trying to call him out, it's like his son in law challenging his house. It's still sad that Jill can't be comfortable with her family anymore, I do hope they can figure it out.
It’s dangerous because it’s a CULT!
I watched a trailer of the documentary after which i thought to myself, "no thanks, I'll pass". Not because I dont have or feel compassionate towards those who were trapped inside IBLP, but because I got the feeling it was just gonna bash Christianity at large.
@greenbean88 yeah I totally got that vibe. I figured there'd be a leftist/woke narrative attached to after hearing one of the narrators in the trailer desbribe the "white conservative patriarchy". That told me all I needed to know.