love your channel dude, i just check out 2 of your short films and they are really good. I think the VA panel is really bad for color grading though, off axis viewing can happen a lot in my experience, and skew the perception of contrast and color a lot. Keep creating video dude, I love your attention to detail, and your videos!
Thanks! Yes, the VA panel is far from ideal, but in my particular set-up it was mounted directly behind my UI monitors, dead center to where I work. I've since upgraded to the LG OLED, and can't recommend it enough. But if your budget can't stretch, this remains a unique low budget option.
Just found your channel. You seem awesome! Just subbed. You are knowledgeable yet reasonable on the subject. Thank you for not being another one of those people saying there basically is no budget setup for colour grading. Much love Edit. You made a fitting test image too! Thank the lord
Hi! Thanks a lot for your excellent videos. I find your info super useful. I have problems finding this model in Spain. Do you know if there is some other model with similar specs? If not, which specs are the more relevant in order to get equivalent results? Thanks a lot!
I go over the meaningful specs for an SDR monitor in the video, but honestly, on paper most monitors meet these specs. This most important feature is the ability to fine tune or calibrate, and this is where most cheap monitors fall short. As best i know, all comparable Hisense displays offer these controls.
Any advice for a monitor/TV between 32 and 40 inches? I have the Dell Premiere Color, but I was looking for something to use as both a color correcting monitor and a confidence monitor for when I'm filming in my studio. Any advice would be great! Awesome video!
Not many options in that size range. Unfortunately, "televisions" that small almost never have what you need, so you're going to have to pay "monitor" prices. The BenQ PV3200 is a very solid choice: www.benq.com/en-us/monitor/video-post-production/pv3200pt.html
There are no affordable HDR reference monitors. But, with a pretty good HDR screen and the use of your waveform monitor you can confidently grade HDR material. The cheapest I would recommend is a consumer grade LG OLED TV. Purchase their service remote and you can disable ALC.
Well, the closer you get the display to standard with the built-in controls, the less drastic the changes that will have to be made in software profile from the calibration run. If the display is way off, like for example brightness, then the calibration won't be able to correct all the way. (Remember, this display can't store a calibration profile in hardware, it will be implemented either in your OS or as a LUT in Resolve.)
I was just looking at that model on Amazon and the price mustve shot up , because the price was 2000dollars 🤣🤣 i will have to look for an alternative, are all the hisense quantum series models quite good or just that one in particular? The 48" LG oled is just above 1000dollars, which isnt bad
@@mcewan-media You're very welcome! Are you sure you're looking at the same model? I see it for $699 on Amazon. There is no way it is worth more than an LG OLED. For the money the LG OLED can't be beat.
@@Humcrush yeah we're on different amazons, i copy and pasted the model and everything from your link. Its quite possible though in the middle east asia, it might be called something else. I'll convert the price to dhs and see what comes up :) thanks man
For what i know the Oled technology is terrible for computer use, because the static elements of the screen like icons and menus will burn the panel. But if you use it only to see the video or film should be great.
Current OLEDs have techniques for managing this, including periodically shifting pixels. But we're talking about a dedicated color grading/editing monitor here...normally there wouldn't be anything displayed on it other than the image you are working on in fullscreen.
It's okay to preview your HDR grade, but you'll have to rely heavily on your scopes because you cannot disable ABL (Auto Brightness Limiter.) It can't really be considered an HDR "reference" display. Even the LG OLEDs aren't ideal for HDR grading.
Great video. If I’m shooting HLG3-BT2020 on my A6400 with a HDR workflow in Resolve, will my HDR be compatible and able to be displayed with the Dolby Vision of this (or any Dolby Vision tv) or does my camera have to be able to shoot in Dolby Vision?
Dolby Vision is a display technology, not capture. Ideally you'd shoot with a log profile like S-Log2 or 3, as HLG is only half HDR (the bottom half of the luminance curve is SDR) designed for broadcast. Also, note that this display can only reach around 1,000nits, and has limiters (as all consumer displays must) so it's not a *great* choice for HDR grading. I've done it, and it's certainly better than trying to grade HDR on and SDR display, but you do have to really watch your scopes.
@@Humcrush thank you! Reason I’m shooting HLG3 is my A6400 is only 8bit. Through my readings 8-bit doesn’t handle slog2 well (Banding?). Is there a “value” monitor that you would recommend for HDR grading? Say sub $1200-1000 USD
@@elel1034 Gotcha, yeah 8-bit is problematic for log footage. There is really only one choice for budget HDR grading: LG OLED televisions. Not only can you hardware calibrate, but you can use a service remote to turn off the automatic brightness limiting. Super snobby high end colorists will say you can't, but I know for a fact that some great looking HDR stuff we've all watched on Netflix was graded on consumer LG panels.
@@Humcrush wow! Interesting. Sorry to bend your ear. Do you know the specific LG models? Might make a cool video for you to do a HDR version of the above video! Thanks again!
Wonderful video thank you. Do you have any recommendations in the 24” range I currently do not have enough space for a tv. I’m currently using a dell p2419h with a spider x pro and calman but I find I can never really dail it in to perfection.
Dell used to make a 24" 4K PremiereColor model. I think it might be discontinued, but if you can find a deal on one, the PremiereColor models calibrate well.
2:52 would love if you mentioned the Hisense H9G within at least the 1st minute of your video.... or at least leave the title onscreen afterwards, because you make it impossible for anyone scanning the video to figure out where the actual information begins.
I'm sorry man, but you cannot say that a monitor can be △E< 2 calibrating it by eyes. First of all because your eye cannot be precise enough to do so, and second because your eyes are constantly adapting to what you point them at and that makes impossible to "neutralise " any colour shift. But most important the △E< 2 is achievable only by the combination of 2 elements. First a panel that can actually cover the colour space (100% sRGB/Rec709) And you have to test it by hardware. Second a patch matrix adjustment that you have to do patch by patch with hardware calibration. You may can "get close" the 6 primaries (Reg, Green, yellow, magenta, blue, cyan) by eye but can still be off by △E< 10 or 20 (on the primaries) and way above for all the hundred of patches you usually go through by hardware calibration. Also, each software you use will do or may no do colour management making all the work you have done calibrating by eye pointless because that will change as soon as you change software. If you think you are good and you are happy with what you have in front of you that's fine. But you cannot spread misinformation like that. You need a colorimeter and you need a decklink to have a decent calibrated monitor/TV for video work- and there are budget option for both accessible to anyone. We are talking about $300 in total, notting who makes a living with video content creation or picture retouching cannot invest in. The actual monitor or TV can be on a budget for SDR, today most $500 $600 are good enough but you need an hardware calibrator to make them really usable.
And yet engineers did, and do, what you say can’t be done, for decades. Before calibration, my monitor had a delta over 4. My calibration by eye had a delta of 1.7. My calibration with a Spyder X Pro is at 1.3. You are correct that you have to do the calibration via the app you edit/grade with, and I said as much.
The matter of the fact is that people are consuming content now on their laptops, home projectors, smartphones, televisions and a thousand different devices. Even when you've honed your image to absolute perfection that doesn't mean it'll end up on a decent screen. It's only the mammoths of Hollywood hanging on to an already sinking ship full of prehistoric rules and soon to be obsolete businesses while angrily shouting at any advancement in technology.
That background jazz is cool...you know, Miles Davis "cool".
Thanks, video is helpful for us budget limited folks
This video will save indie production workflow
love your channel dude, i just check out 2 of your short films and they are really good. I think the VA panel is really bad for color grading though, off axis viewing can happen a lot in my experience, and skew the perception of contrast and color a lot. Keep creating video dude, I love your attention to detail, and your videos!
Thanks! Yes, the VA panel is far from ideal, but in my particular set-up it was mounted directly behind my UI monitors, dead center to where I work. I've since upgraded to the LG OLED, and can't recommend it enough. But if your budget can't stretch, this remains a unique low budget option.
Just found your channel. You seem awesome! Just subbed. You are knowledgeable yet reasonable on the subject. Thank you for not being another one of those people saying there basically is no budget setup for colour grading.
Much love
Edit. You made a fitting test image too! Thank the lord
Thanks! So glad you found the video useful.
Amen brother! Perfection is such bullshit, good enough all day every day for me. Keep the kickass videos coming!
pro tip : you can watch series on Flixzone. Been using them for watching lots of of movies recently.
@Braylon Emanuel Yea, been watching on Flixzone} for since november myself :)
@Braylon Emanuel definitely, I've been watching on flixzone} for months myself :)
Thanks for the info. Any reason you recommend white point 5600k over D65?
Good catch. I simply misspoke.
Hi! Thanks a lot for your excellent videos. I find your info super useful. I have problems finding this model in Spain. Do you know if there is some other model with similar specs? If not, which specs are the more relevant in order to get equivalent results? Thanks a lot!
I go over the meaningful specs for an SDR monitor in the video, but honestly, on paper most monitors meet these specs. This most important feature is the ability to fine tune or calibrate, and this is where most cheap monitors fall short. As best i know, all comparable Hisense displays offer these controls.
I have a Flanders scientific xmp310 for sale ?
Any advice for a monitor/TV between 32 and 40 inches? I have the Dell Premiere Color, but I was looking for something to use as both a color correcting monitor and a confidence monitor for when I'm filming in my studio. Any advice would be great! Awesome video!
Not many options in that size range. Unfortunately, "televisions" that small almost never have what you need, so you're going to have to pay "monitor" prices. The BenQ PV3200 is a very solid choice: www.benq.com/en-us/monitor/video-post-production/pv3200pt.html
That was amazing
Hey, what about that OLED tablets as an extra reference ? thanks !
Also can H9G be used for grading DCI - cinema grading ?
Awesome !
Man this is great
Thank you for the reply. Is there any cheap HDR Monitor that you can suggest for grading ?. Sony, FSI, Eizo are super expensive.
There are no affordable HDR reference monitors. But, with a pretty good HDR screen and the use of your waveform monitor you can confidently grade HDR material. The cheapest I would recommend is a consumer grade LG OLED TV. Purchase their service remote and you can disable ALC.
Excellent vid. Most likely a newb question, but Im assuming that connecting the H9G to the computer via HDMI?
Yes, HDMI via either the graphics cards driving your OS display, or via a dedicated video output card like the DeckLink.
Do you have to go through all the menu color settings (other than to turn off the auto stuff) before doing a hardware calibration?
Well, the closer you get the display to standard with the built-in controls, the less drastic the changes that will have to be made in software profile from the calibration run. If the display is way off, like for example brightness, then the calibration won't be able to correct all the way. (Remember, this display can't store a calibration profile in hardware, it will be implemented either in your OS or as a LUT in Resolve.)
I was just looking at that model on Amazon and the price mustve shot up , because the price was 2000dollars 🤣🤣 i will have to look for an alternative, are all the hisense quantum series models quite good or just that one in particular? The 48" LG oled is just above 1000dollars, which isnt bad
Thanks for making the video btw!
@@mcewan-media You're very welcome! Are you sure you're looking at the same model? I see it for $699 on Amazon. There is no way it is worth more than an LG OLED. For the money the LG OLED can't be beat.
@@Humcrush yeah we're on different amazons, i copy and pasted the model and everything from your link. Its quite possible though in the middle east asia, it might be called something else. I'll convert the price to dhs and see what comes up :) thanks man
For what i know the Oled technology is terrible for computer use, because the static elements of the screen like icons and menus will burn the panel. But if you use it only to see the video or film should be great.
I think the ideal usecase is with a decklink card so you only have the nle feed going to it
Current OLEDs have techniques for managing this, including periodically shifting pixels. But we're talking about a dedicated color grading/editing monitor here...normally there wouldn't be anything displayed on it other than the image you are working on in fullscreen.
Yup, or the "clean feed" feature that Resolve, Premiere and FCPX all have even when using your computer's "desktop" GPU.
Can we use this TV for grading HDR
It's okay to preview your HDR grade, but you'll have to rely heavily on your scopes because you cannot disable ABL (Auto Brightness Limiter.) It can't really be considered an HDR "reference" display. Even the LG OLEDs aren't ideal for HDR grading.
Great video. If I’m shooting HLG3-BT2020 on my A6400 with a HDR workflow in Resolve, will my HDR be compatible and able to be displayed with the Dolby Vision of this (or any Dolby Vision tv) or does my camera have to be able to shoot in Dolby Vision?
Dolby Vision is a display technology, not capture. Ideally you'd shoot with a log profile like S-Log2 or 3, as HLG is only half HDR (the bottom half of the luminance curve is SDR) designed for broadcast. Also, note that this display can only reach around 1,000nits, and has limiters (as all consumer displays must) so it's not a *great* choice for HDR grading. I've done it, and it's certainly better than trying to grade HDR on and SDR display, but you do have to really watch your scopes.
Also note you'll need a DeckLink to output that HDR signal.
@@Humcrush thank you! Reason I’m shooting HLG3 is my A6400 is only 8bit. Through my readings 8-bit doesn’t handle slog2 well (Banding?). Is there a “value” monitor that you would recommend for HDR grading? Say sub $1200-1000 USD
@@elel1034 Gotcha, yeah 8-bit is problematic for log footage. There is really only one choice for budget HDR grading: LG OLED televisions. Not only can you hardware calibrate, but you can use a service remote to turn off the automatic brightness limiting. Super snobby high end colorists will say you can't, but I know for a fact that some great looking HDR stuff we've all watched on Netflix was graded on consumer LG panels.
@@Humcrush wow! Interesting. Sorry to bend your ear. Do you know the specific LG models? Might make a cool video for you to do a HDR version of the above video! Thanks again!
Wonderful video thank you. Do you have any recommendations in the 24” range I currently do not have enough space for a tv.
I’m currently using a dell p2419h with a spider x pro and calman but I find I can never really dail it in to perfection.
Dell used to make a 24" 4K PremiereColor model. I think it might be discontinued, but if you can find a deal on one, the PremiereColor models calibrate well.
I'm a broke colourist, I use a TN panel monitor and I heavily rely on waveforms and vectorscope
Bro just buy second hand ips tv
Great video but $699 is not $600, it's $700!
2:52 would love if you mentioned the Hisense H9G within at least the 1st minute of your video....
or at least leave the title onscreen afterwards, because you make it impossible for anyone scanning the video to figure out where the actual information begins.
Good point. It is in the description, but I'll keep that in mind for future videos.
I'm sorry man, but you cannot say that a monitor can be △E< 2 calibrating it by eyes.
First of all because your eye cannot be precise enough to do so, and second because your eyes are constantly adapting to what you point them at and that makes impossible to "neutralise " any colour shift.
But most important the △E< 2 is achievable only by the combination of 2 elements. First a panel that can actually cover the colour space (100% sRGB/Rec709) And you have to test it by hardware.
Second a patch matrix adjustment that you have to do patch by patch with hardware calibration. You may can "get close" the 6 primaries (Reg, Green, yellow, magenta, blue, cyan) by eye but can still be off by △E< 10 or 20 (on the primaries) and way above for all the hundred of patches you usually go through by hardware calibration.
Also, each software you use will do or may no do colour management making all the work you have done calibrating by eye pointless because that will change as soon as you change software.
If you think you are good and you are happy with what you have in front of you that's fine.
But you cannot spread misinformation like that.
You need a colorimeter and you need a decklink to have a decent calibrated monitor/TV for video work- and there are budget option for both accessible to anyone. We are talking about $300 in total, notting who makes a living with video content creation or picture retouching cannot invest in. The actual monitor or TV can be on a budget for SDR, today most $500 $600 are good enough but you need an hardware calibrator to make them really usable.
And yet engineers did, and do, what you say can’t be done, for decades. Before calibration, my monitor had a delta over 4. My calibration by eye had a delta of 1.7. My calibration with a Spyder X Pro is at 1.3.
You are correct that you have to do the calibration via the app you edit/grade with, and I said as much.
And no you don’t NEED a Decklink. I have one, and I also output through my GPU. Since Resolve 15 I’ve been able to get identical output.
@@Humcrush Do what you want. I don't have any more time to lose
@@marcofazio1318 Sorry you find facts a waste of time.
The matter of the fact is that people are consuming content now on their laptops, home projectors, smartphones, televisions and a thousand different devices. Even when you've honed your image to absolute perfection that doesn't mean it'll end up on a decent screen.
It's only the mammoths of Hollywood hanging on to an already sinking ship full of prehistoric rules and soon to be obsolete businesses while angrily shouting at any advancement in technology.
I stop watching at the 0:46 seconds. 😂😂😂😂😂
that monitor is not under 1k mor like 1500
I bought it for $699, but that was 3 years ago. Is this monitor even still sold?
Boring dude..... come up with interesting way to deliver the video .
Just the facts here. If you're looking for entertainment, I suggest you subscribe to RUclipsrs half my age or maybe get a Disney+ subscription. 😉
@@Humcrush 🤣🤣awesome reply !! ... btw The video is amazing thanks!!