Just a note on FLIR. They typically only give an accurate reading on materials with the emissivity that they are set to. If you have things with a wide variety of emissivity in the scene, like shiny metals, they will always show hotter than their surroundings if the FLIR is set for lower emissivity. For things like the hold down, if its shiny and metal you should correlate the reading with a surface temperature. as it's likely that the reading in the FLIR is way off.
That is why there are special tapes (expensive) available to stick on the surface to get a correct reading with the FLIR. I learned that from an IgorsLab video.
Was thinking the same thing when he was talking about the frame being hot vs the corners of the IHS. The frame is probably painted black and has a likely has a higher emissivity than the IHS.
It feels like it's been a while since we've seen Jay having this much fun overclocking. I'm looking forward to seeing the air conditioner hooked up to it!
Just happened to get onto Twitch and I saw yourself as a recommended channel. I had to have been a follower follower for 1 month. I just wanted to stop in and just say Thank you for all that you do. I watch your Videos on RUclips and you've taught myself and I'm sure many others about the world of PC and its ins and outs and I greatly appreciate everything that you do. The mix of comedy and ability to explain it to the folks like myself that don't understand all the Jargon I was able to build my first PC due to you videos Thank you for making us smile while teaching us at the same time. Wanted to say thank you and I hope that you and your Family have a wonderful and safe Thanksgiving
Sweet mercy, those are some insane multi-threaded scores. It's amazing how friggin powerful and *efficient* these things are even at stock. People with ARM macs love to talk efficiency all day, but when it comes down to pure brute force, speed, and units of work per watt, they get absolutely destroyed. The professional or studio that gets one of these is gonna get soooo much more done.
With the 7000 series chips, it just seems like AMD can get to Apple Sillicon levels of efficiency, that is performance per watt. And ultimately scales better at the higher end for sure
in fairness, apples m silicon are efficient! amds cpu efficiency is just on another level, especially considering they're on the less efficient x86. imagine amd making arm cpus.
@@patricktrakzel9657 I thought so too, but if you watch it at .25 speed you can see what looks like cracks is just fluid sprays, and the remaining line looks to be a reflection of a tube. I might be wrong, but I don't think so.
... I took break form your channel, still subscribed, for about a year. I came back, and it seems like you're 3 years better. Very glad you're still at it, J2C!
I always liked Threadripper... Now I like it even more. As much as a mad scientist experiment Threadripper always feels like, it really feels like AMD is slowly perfecting their CPUs using what they learn with Threadripper back on regular Ryzen.
Threadripper is perfect Ryzen. Ryzen is essentially imperfect Threadripper (heavily cut down on features like memory channels and PCIe lanes, heavily cut down on performance, and with lower quality bins).
I have played around with a sealed submerged idea and it might keep this beast cool. The pc itself with no fans, naked GPU and CPU submerged in dielectric coolent fluid. The fluid itself is cooled externally by a converted AC cooling unit. It's a closed system, no water ingress and the ability to cool sub ambient even sub zero as some dielectric fluids can flow sub zero. If the AC unit can provide north of 1000W cooling you should be good.
Jay, when running cinebench on our amd server hardware at work, we notice a pretty significant drop in scores if you run them consecutively. Restarting the system after each benchmark tends to make the scores more consistent. Wonder if that’s something happening here since this is kinda just a tamed server chip with some consumer features.
More thermal mass is actually a detriment for overall heat *transfer*. The extra thermal mass can help prevent quick spikes depending on the specific heat of the medium used, but overall the larger mass to surface area ratio brings efficiency down. It's the reason why the thicker ihs on the 7000 series ryzen impeded heat transfer. Tldr; thinner plates are better. The thinner the thermal paste, the better. The thinner the ihs is, the better.
I will have fun watching you overclock a threadripper even if I won't buy one. Honestly I just use Epyc cpus on cloud servers. I LOVE the 192 core epyc cpus. :)
an AC chiller would be awesome to see. I wonder if you can get close to 1000w with pbo and AC running in the case. That would be insane for a CPU socket on a personal rig
Yeah, "1 of 7" here. Get that OC guide video up soon because ill be ready and interested. Im needlessly diving in with a '70x on water using triple 360s. Should last me a decade..
I think you should try normal all core overclocks, you might be able to lower voltage a bit at the same clocks since PBO applies a good bit more than needed to ensure stability
@@manoftherainshorts9075 I haven't had great luck with CO when it comes to all core loads, even at -30 its too much voltage at too little clocks for my 5950x. An all core load runs ~4.65ghz at ~1.3-1.28vcore, but I can run 4.7 all core stable at ~1.22 vcore
@@BigMan7o0 that's significant I'd say. Going from 1.3 to 1.22V is ~14% less power for cores. I understand that CPUs like R9 5950x and TR 7990x are already very good silicon and run with optimized voltage, less temperature can lead to better temps still.
i still have the original Threadripper gigabyte board. one of the first wave board that had the retention bracket issue of not applying pressure to the CPU making it not boot or missing memory channels. i shit you not, i screwed with it for 2 hours straight one day to get just the right pressure for it to boot. then, all the memory issues kept cropping up (BSOD's...etc.) glad to see how far AMD has come with this. can't wait to see the 9th gen TR's if there are any.
That's crazy numbers. great video, that block cools it 10 times better, with those 240 fans, it just another reason why I always use thick blocks. Thanks Jay
I expaect that the corners of the CPU are a lot hotter than measured by the thermal camera. This is because the emmisivity of the CPU metal is lower, so it tricks the IR camera. You need to atach a thermistor, or adjust the emmisivity value on the camera for the respective material.
Obviously the correct choice between thin 360, thick 360, and thin 420 is yes; as many as you can figure out how to install, even if it's spilling out of the case, and with as many fans as you can find to stick on (bonus points if they're on both sides of the radiators)
And that's just basic in app PBO. Setting it up in the BIOS can improve things further. You can even try lowering the voltages whilst still pushing PBO harder.
Ryzen master and BIO PBO are identical infact for most motherboards Ryzen master lets you change more things Ryzen master tells the BIO oh change this and the hardware does it sometimes without needing to restart and other times needing to restart
Depends on which one someone goes with cus of how the CCD's are done You have 4 CCD and 8 CCD sku's and the 8 CCD ones The 8 CCD ones are easier to cool due to higher CPU silicon to IHS contact increasing heat to IHS transfer and because it spreads other more IHS it makes it easier to move heat from IHS to cooler
It would be interesting to compare the EK-Quantum Magnitude TR Waterblock (currently 273€ with 24% off - 19% tax included) with an Watercool Heatkiller IV Pro TR Waterblock that costs 120€ (19% tax included)
That would be very interesting, I've used two Heatkiller IV pro's now. One on 9th gen Intel and now a AMD AM5, both pure copper's and I've been more than happy with their performance.
When I did a comparison of the Optimus TR4 block and the Heatkiller Threadripper block in the past, the results were within margin of error. I was expecting a bigger improvement out of the Optimus block because of all their claims of significantly improved temperatures and better cooling design. Even at 500+ watts CPU power draw, there was minimal difference.
I'll buy the guide, as I'll soon be buying a 7960xX very soon. Let me know if it's available yet. Just to let you know, I really have no idea what I will be doing to keep the die cool.
You should do Asetek 7th gen vs 8th gen. 8th gen has a larger square cold plate, I believe intended for the latest bigger CPUs (not sure if it's as big as the new Threadripper, but it's bigger than 7th gen). The ROG Ryuo/Ryujin III are 8th gen, as is the Lian Li Galahad II.
Thank You so much for this short demo on the capabilities of TR 7980X. I have been desperately waiting for the new TR to replace my old WS with TR2990WX from 2019. Hope You will post detailed videos on how to overclock this beast and how to build (best components) a reliable system WITH RGB on the ASUS board (with full bling-bling lighting aside the fact there is no RGB header on the ASUS board). Just one hint: check if adding thermal pads to the CPU-frame might even enhance thermal transfer to the waterblock which exceeds the size of the CPU and also "covers" the CPU-frame by looks. Maybe additional 1 or 2 °C less ?
I would love to see a video, testing which fan and rad configuration is better. Thin rad with push pull fan config vs thick rad and single fan config. Many cases have room for both, but which works better?
There was plenty of headroom for improvement in the 3970X and not many memory stability issues. Maybe you had issues with the older generations of Threadripper Jay?
The two 420mm rads in that system have a maximum theoretical cooling capacity of around 750W each. It is crazy to me that this loop was reaching 85C or higher with nearly double the "required" cooling capacity for CPU. These new Threadripper CPU's are crazy when overclocked.
I on the other hand surprised the temperature is that low Which such a large IHS and cooler base plate its rather easy to not have equal pressure across the whole thing not spreading the paste properly The theoretical and the actual are different for example 400w cooling capacity keeping a CPU at 76c being upped to 800w of cooling capacity might see that same CPU only drop to 72c Reason for this is heat transfer between the IHS and water is bottlenecked by the thermal paste, with liquid metal those same numbers would be more like 70c and drop to 64c probably high-balling there
I haven't seen anyone produce meaningful water cooled numbers yet. Could be new blocks are needed or Liquid Metal or something else, but the numbers Jay got here can be done with air coolers water is not giving lower temps
It's more about maintaining temps, with the higher core count CPUs. My 5950x with PBO set to Auto, maxes out at 78 - 84*C, but doesn't throttle due to temperature. Even with my 3090 in the loop, my coolant stays 5 - 7 degrees over ambient. With a rated 2100W worth of heat dissipation, according to the Hardware Labs specs.
its not about radiator theoretical capacity. Cooling is limited by the CPU IHS + the Cooler. the fact there is a temp difference shows the bigger block coverage and bigger rads shows the time to saturate the cooling takes longer but it still gets to 93/95 eventually because the limiting factor is the CPU IHS. Pulling 600W in a small surface area of a cpu is the issue. If the cpu was 2x wider then the temps would be lower but they will still creep. Extra rads only means that time to saturate is longer. Even EK say a wattage rating per radiator doesnt make sense. what he showed quite clearly is that there is a benefit from aio to custom loop. the power density of cpu and gpus with the die size is whats the issue, youre never going to see like 70c all core on a cpu like this at 600W.
Kraken is a great product but indeed can't handle the larger threadripper / pro chips effectively. Interesting to see the block examination in this video.
Also worth noting that you have to elevate r23 to high priority in task manager because it defaults to below normal. I also don't think you can give PBO much credit for that performance boost, majority of your performance scaling just came from removing the power limit.
i am the nerd of the family and i want them shirts! too bad i live in the Philippines. Great vid Jay. we can tell that you are very excited to play with your pleb processor.
14:10 - Well there's ya problem, you're using a dead smurf as thermal paste, try using a silver smurf for thermal paste next time 😛 Jokes aside, love the content Jay! That build montage was *chefs kiss*
Threadripper 7000 is a MONSTER. Makes regular Ryzen and Intel Core look like cheap toys (and that's even with the 7980X being heavily memory bandwidth bottlenecked on TRX50 with 1 channel per 16 cores).
How have you not got a Aquacomputer NEXT sensor yet? It provides so much useful info on a water loop, have been putting one into every system we build.
Might be time for a RIP GN redux! I really want one of these. Need? No, but I do have a work use that it would be perfect for involving virtualisation.
19:36 Got to love the Jay maths as always, 93,000 to 115,000 being a 12,000 difference. Never change Jay
15 - 3 is 12. Makes sense to me 😂
Think he was comparing one overclock to the other not the base
He's also using 360mm rads not 420mms, the case does not fit 420mm rads.
Yeah I caught that too but didn't bother commenting 😅
@@anthonydoyle72The other was 111,000 prior to the 115,000
Just a note on FLIR. They typically only give an accurate reading on materials with the emissivity that they are set to. If you have things with a wide variety of emissivity in the scene, like shiny metals, they will always show hotter than their surroundings if the FLIR is set for lower emissivity. For things like the hold down, if its shiny and metal you should correlate the reading with a surface temperature. as it's likely that the reading in the FLIR is way off.
That is why there are special tapes (expensive) available to stick on the surface to get a correct reading with the FLIR. I learned that from an IgorsLab video.
yes. And that's the difference between casual and engeneering and science -type of application
Was thinking the same thing when he was talking about the frame being hot vs the corners of the IHS. The frame is probably painted black and has a likely has a higher emissivity than the IHS.
Correct, this is an important message to all using infra-red (FLIR) type of measuring.
@@CrashPilot1000 insulation tape does it for far cheaper also
Derbauer with his 16000 dollar signed 4090: 😂
Must have got that one from China
wait for kid Jay to learn about it! I laughted so much at vid start! He wants to play with the 12k one!
Signed by who? Jesus?
@@gro_skunk Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang
@@BluEtoBlaCkTry Korea 😅
It feels like it's been a while since we've seen Jay having this much fun overclocking. I'm looking forward to seeing the air conditioner hooked up to it!
she's on fire!!!
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I just wanted to stop in and just say Thank you for all that you do.
I watch your Videos on RUclips and you've taught myself and I'm sure many others about the world of PC and its ins and outs and I greatly appreciate everything that you do.
The mix of comedy and ability to explain it to the folks like myself that don't understand all the Jargon I was able to build my first PC due to you videos Thank you for making us smile while teaching us at the same time.
Wanted to say thank you and I hope that you and your Family have a wonderful and safe Thanksgiving
That vacuum filling the loop revelation you had is always cool to see.
Sweet mercy, those are some insane multi-threaded scores. It's amazing how friggin powerful and *efficient* these things are even at stock. People with ARM macs love to talk efficiency all day, but when it comes down to pure brute force, speed, and units of work per watt, they get absolutely destroyed. The professional or studio that gets one of these is gonna get soooo much more done.
Yeah. AMD is also bringing their own ARM chipset soon. Scary to think what they will achieve
With the 7000 series chips, it just seems like AMD can get to Apple Sillicon levels of efficiency, that is performance per watt. And ultimately scales better at the higher end for sure
Apple fanboys don't actually know what efficiency means. They think low wattage means high efficiency.
in fairness, apples m silicon are efficient! amds cpu efficiency is just on another level, especially considering they're on the less efficient x86. imagine amd making arm cpus.
Happy Thanksgiving jay phil and nick 😊😊😊😊
Love the new fill method
Jay really make good on his promises. He really did fill liquid the radiator with the vacuum fill on this video.
Yes he did. And at 14.39 you could see the reservoir crack. Too much vacuum, to high a change when filling.
@@patricktrakzel9657 I thought so too, but if you watch it at .25 speed you can see what looks like cracks is just fluid sprays, and the remaining line looks to be a reflection of a tube. I might be wrong, but I don't think so.
@@dixonsoftwaresolutions5031 That's what I was thinking as well, appears to be the water getting sucked in as the valve opens.
I love the new way you fill your loops :D
I have to admit, even though watching loop fill at normal speed is cool, seeing the Vacuum fill is impressive.
... I took break form your channel, still subscribed, for about a year. I came back, and it seems like you're 3 years better. Very glad you're still at it, J2C!
Man set the play speed to .25 and watchthe fill part.... that is SOOO satisfying......Thats awesome that you came up with that Jay.
colors and overall finish on this video is pretty incredible.
This is Awesome!!!! I loved all of this!! I love watching Jay OC some hard ware with sick liquid cooling!
I always liked Threadripper... Now I like it even more.
As much as a mad scientist experiment Threadripper always feels like, it really feels like AMD is slowly perfecting their CPUs using what they learn with Threadripper back on regular Ryzen.
If you watch Wendell's interview with the AMD engineers (recently posted on Level1Techs), that's pretty much the case.
Threadripper is perfect Ryzen. Ryzen is essentially imperfect Threadripper (heavily cut down on features like memory channels and PCIe lanes, heavily cut down on performance, and with lower quality bins).
Those cpu is nearly to perfection... Awesome video, i love stuff like that.
yup, and since amd is pushing so hard in the CPU market i'm excited to see if intel can even get close to amd with their next workstation class chips
@@Crunkmaster is a titan battle... Is so interessting
That kind of studio you sit in are suiting the channel! Nice!
Play with the core voltage. There's a lot more efficiency hidden there, waiting for you to tweak it :)
I have played around with a sealed submerged idea and it might keep this beast cool.
The pc itself with no fans, naked GPU and CPU submerged in dielectric coolent fluid. The fluid itself is cooled externally by a converted AC cooling unit. It's a closed system, no water ingress and the ability to cool sub ambient even sub zero as some dielectric fluids can flow sub zero. If the AC unit can provide north of 1000W cooling you should be good.
It seems like letting it pull 500 to 550w would be the best balance for this to get extra performance without overheating everything
Jay, when running cinebench on our amd server hardware at work, we notice a pretty significant drop in scores if you run them consecutively. Restarting the system after each benchmark tends to make the scores more consistent. Wonder if that’s something happening here since this is kinda just a tamed server chip with some consumer features.
Great video.. best one of the bunch. As a 3970x owner, this helps me decide on which cooling solution to use when I purchase the 7970x.
i have one too. it is still a beast, why upgrade at all?
@@voidwalker7774 A 3970X is a toy compared to a 7970X.
@@voidwalker7774Clearly they need more performance. That’s like asking why do you need a 4090 if you have a RTX Titan.
I ended up buying the 7980x with the Asrock TRX50 WS board. I also bought the Gskill 6400 MT/s kit. All at Microcenter, not sponsored.
More thermal mass is actually a detriment for overall heat *transfer*. The extra thermal mass can help prevent quick spikes depending on the specific heat of the medium used, but overall the larger mass to surface area ratio brings efficiency down. It's the reason why the thicker ihs on the 7000 series ryzen impeded heat transfer. Tldr; thinner plates are better. The thinner the thermal paste, the better. The thinner the ihs is, the better.
100%
And I thought it was nuts when I got my W3690 on my X58 system to hit 5600 R23 score. Almost 100k is amazing!
I will have fun watching you overclock a threadripper even if I won't buy one. Honestly I just use Epyc cpus on cloud servers. I LOVE the 192 core epyc cpus. :)
My favorite part, the shrug at 14:22 after putting on the thermal paste.
14:39 for a moment i thought the acrylic distroplate/reservoire cracked there when filling the loop
great video jay! it reminds me of your old style a lot I am loving the new, its fits your vibe well.
Wow. Well over 20% performance gain with just improved cooling and PBO. That's super impressive.
I'm happy you switched to a better watter block.
i wonder how crazy a delidded liquid metal Threadripper would be
That kind of monstrosity is for Linus and Alex to birth into this world in the jankiest way possible.
You weren't messing around when you said you'd be using vacuum filling method from now on!
an AC chiller would be awesome to see. I wonder if you can get close to 1000w with pbo and AC running in the case. That would be insane for a CPU socket on a personal rig
Jay is happy on the inside !! And the outside !!
Love to see Jay so some crazy way cooling it with a leaf blower or something else Jay can think of.
I sure hope the winds of Jotunheim will be captured by the Ice Giant guys for a cooler for the new threadrippers.
Yeah, "1 of 7" here. Get that OC guide video up soon because ill be ready and interested. Im needlessly diving in with a '70x on water using triple 360s. Should last me a decade..
I think you should try normal all core overclocks, you might be able to lower voltage a bit at the same clocks since PBO applies a good bit more than needed to ensure stability
Or use Curve Optimizer. Best of all worlds
@@manoftherainshorts9075 I haven't had great luck with CO when it comes to all core loads, even at -30 its too much voltage at too little clocks for my 5950x. An all core load runs ~4.65ghz at ~1.3-1.28vcore, but I can run 4.7 all core stable at ~1.22 vcore
@@BigMan7o0 that's significant I'd say. Going from 1.3 to 1.22V is ~14% less power for cores. I understand that CPUs like R9 5950x and TR 7990x are already very good silicon and run with optimized voltage, less temperature can lead to better temps still.
i am very glad that you keep doing AMD cpu tech stuff. All my computers are Ryzen based.
AMD fanboy
I'd be interested in how it feels to edit a video on it compared to his current editing rig
i still have the original Threadripper gigabyte board. one of the first wave board that had the retention bracket issue of not applying pressure to the CPU making it not boot or missing memory channels. i shit you not, i screwed with it for 2 hours straight one day to get just the right pressure for it to boot. then, all the memory issues kept cropping up (BSOD's...etc.)
glad to see how far AMD has come with this. can't wait to see the 9th gen TR's if there are any.
That's crazy numbers. great video, that block cools it 10 times better, with those 240 fans, it just another reason why I always use thick blocks. Thanks Jay
I'm a noob. I've been a following for years. Still a noob. You're content is awesome.
Feels like a good ad.... a good ad for EK. Holy crap, the difference in temps was staggering.
I expaect that the corners of the CPU are a lot hotter than measured by the thermal camera. This is because the emmisivity of the CPU metal is lower, so it tricks the IR camera. You need to atach a thermistor, or adjust the emmisivity value on the camera for the respective material.
WOW! AMD Ryzen master gameplay videos are SO riveting!
The soft clear tubing is slick.
didn't need the color though.
Obviously the correct choice between thin 360, thick 360, and thin 420 is yes; as many as you can figure out how to install, even if it's spilling out of the case, and with as many fans as you can find to stick on (bonus points if they're on both sides of the radiators)
I found the video interesting. I also like the moody lighting :D
And that's just basic in app PBO.
Setting it up in the BIOS can improve things further.
You can even try lowering the voltages whilst still pushing PBO harder.
Ryzen master and BIO PBO are identical infact for most motherboards Ryzen master lets you change more things
Ryzen master tells the BIO oh change this and the hardware does it sometimes without needing to restart and other times needing to restart
The DIE is INSANE Jay!
Depends on which one someone goes with cus of how the CCD's are done
You have 4 CCD and 8 CCD sku's and the 8 CCD ones
The 8 CCD ones are easier to cool due to higher CPU silicon to IHS contact increasing heat to IHS transfer and because it spreads other more IHS it makes it easier to move heat from IHS to cooler
It would be interesting to compare the EK-Quantum Magnitude TR Waterblock (currently 273€ with 24% off - 19% tax included) with an Watercool Heatkiller IV Pro TR Waterblock that costs 120€ (19% tax included)
That would be very interesting, I've used two Heatkiller IV pro's now. One on 9th gen Intel and now a AMD AM5, both pure copper's and I've been more than happy with their performance.
But watercool does not pay for promotion. So, never be.
When I did a comparison of the Optimus TR4 block and the Heatkiller Threadripper block in the past, the results were within margin of error. I was expecting a bigger improvement out of the Optimus block because of all their claims of significantly improved temperatures and better cooling design. Even at 500+ watts CPU power draw, there was minimal difference.
The watercool block for the 3175x is the best one I've used so I'd lean toward that one.
On Steve’s stream the AMD guys mentioned that they use the heatkiller block for their watercooled thread rippers
Delid the ihs and order a edm plate for the cpu if direct die cooling or mineral oil isnt great enough.
Is it possible to set custom PBO power limit? Like 500W instead of 350W, but not 800W...
I'll buy the guide, as I'll soon be buying a 7960xX very soon. Let me know if it's available yet. Just to let you know, I really have no idea what I will be doing to keep the die cool.
14:40 the crack on the plexiglass:😢 14:40
You should do Asetek 7th gen vs 8th gen. 8th gen has a larger square cold plate, I believe intended for the latest bigger CPUs (not sure if it's as big as the new Threadripper, but it's bigger than 7th gen). The ROG Ryuo/Ryujin III are 8th gen, as is the Lian Li Galahad II.
Thank You so much for this short demo on the capabilities of TR 7980X. I have been desperately waiting for the new TR to replace my old WS with TR2990WX from 2019. Hope You will post detailed videos on how to overclock this beast and how to build (best components) a reliable system WITH RGB on the ASUS board (with full bling-bling lighting aside the fact there is no RGB header on the ASUS board). Just one hint: check if adding thermal pads to the CPU-frame might even enhance thermal transfer to the waterblock which exceeds the size of the CPU and also "covers" the CPU-frame by looks. Maybe additional 1 or 2 °C less ?
I would love to see a video, testing which fan and rad configuration is better. Thin rad with push pull fan config vs thick rad and single fan config. Many cases have room for both, but which works better?
Phil this lighting and color grade is moody AF and I love it 😍
This set and moody lighting looks good. Phil
Now pull out the AC unit and cardboard! Cool the room even!
He did the vacuum pump trick! Fuck yeah!
Raijintek Eris Evo: 2 x 580mm and a single 480mm rad with push/pull. Done
There was plenty of headroom for improvement in the 3970X and not many memory stability issues. Maybe you had issues with the older generations of Threadripper Jay?
PBO w/ core optimizer -15 I want to see.
Video idea. Can you saturate the CPU playing City Skylines 2 on a 200-300k citizen map?
Jay needs MoRa-420 from Watercool. A chonker single radiator that can easily handle a TR+4090.
thks for all video content always good to come to channel seein new videos much appreciate:)
Doing per core curve optimizer would take ages to do on this lol wonder what score it will have with stable curves tho...
That's a pretty sizeable drop of thermal paste you put on that TR IHS...😲😳😵!!!!
cool video Jay
This is so great & absolutely ridiculous. We’ve come sooooo far in recent years.
The two 420mm rads in that system have a maximum theoretical cooling capacity of around 750W each. It is crazy to me that this loop was reaching 85C or higher with nearly double the "required" cooling capacity for CPU. These new Threadripper CPU's are crazy when overclocked.
I on the other hand surprised the temperature is that low
Which such a large IHS and cooler base plate its rather easy to not have equal pressure across the whole thing not spreading the paste properly
The theoretical and the actual are different for example 400w cooling capacity keeping a CPU at 76c being upped to 800w of cooling capacity might see that same CPU only drop to 72c
Reason for this is heat transfer between the IHS and water is bottlenecked by the thermal paste, with liquid metal those same numbers would be more like 70c and drop to 64c probably high-balling there
I haven't seen anyone produce meaningful water cooled numbers yet. Could be new blocks are needed or Liquid Metal or something else, but the numbers Jay got here can be done with air coolers water is not giving lower temps
It's more about maintaining temps, with the higher core count CPUs.
My 5950x with PBO set to Auto, maxes out at 78 - 84*C, but doesn't throttle due to temperature.
Even with my 3090 in the loop, my coolant stays 5 - 7 degrees over ambient. With a rated 2100W worth of heat dissipation, according to the Hardware Labs specs.
its not about radiator theoretical capacity. Cooling is limited by the CPU IHS + the Cooler. the fact there is a temp difference shows the bigger block coverage and bigger rads shows the time to saturate the cooling takes longer but it still gets to 93/95 eventually because the limiting factor is the CPU IHS. Pulling 600W in a small surface area of a cpu is the issue. If the cpu was 2x wider then the temps would be lower but they will still creep. Extra rads only means that time to saturate is longer. Even EK say a wattage rating per radiator doesnt make sense. what he showed quite clearly is that there is a benefit from aio to custom loop. the power density of cpu and gpus with the die size is whats the issue, youre never going to see like 70c all core on a cpu like this at 600W.
It's partly because one rad is intaking the heated up air from the one below so it's not running at full efficiency
Im a diehard intel guy, and this impresses me .😮
Jay, ur the funniest and most entertaining tech RUclipsr. Period.
There is an R24 Cinebench, but it doesn't show a lot of tiles. It's a bit odd. Also has GPU test
Did I see the reservoir crack as he did the vacuum fill?
At 14:40, I believe it's liquid spraying upwards from the fillport and splashing against the inside surface of the distribution plate/reservoir.
@@ytQrash There's also the reflection of the tube on the reservoir.
Kraken is a great product but indeed can't handle the larger threadripper / pro chips effectively. Interesting to see the block examination in this video.
All this Threadripper tests are great. But it will all other tests from now on with "ordinary" hardware will be sooo slow.
Also worth noting that you have to elevate r23 to high priority in task manager because it defaults to below normal.
I also don't think you can give PBO much credit for that performance boost, majority of your performance scaling just came from removing the power limit.
I wanna see someone direct die cool one with a watercooled and overclocked 4090 to make the ultimate space heater
i am the nerd of the family and i want them shirts! too bad i live in the Philippines. Great vid Jay. we can tell that you are very excited to play with your pleb processor.
Phanteks NV7 needs a Jayz style LCD screen mounted above the Motherboard.
If EPYC & Threadripper weren't so expensive (even used) they'd be really good home server CPUs.
14:10 - Well there's ya problem, you're using a dead smurf as thermal paste, try using a silver smurf for thermal paste next time 😛
Jokes aside, love the content Jay! That build montage was *chefs kiss*
16:02 LOOOOL so you murdered a fresh smurf and drained all it's blood into the loop? 🤣
20:19 - HOLY SHIT! 35% of 770A is 269 (noice) amps!!! that's insane, that's as much current as a welder uses for like, 1/4 inch plate 😱🤯
Threadripper 7000 is a MONSTER. Makes regular Ryzen and Intel Core look like cheap toys (and that's even with the 7980X being heavily memory bandwidth bottlenecked on TRX50 with 1 channel per 16 cores).
How have you not got a Aquacomputer NEXT sensor yet? It provides so much useful info on a water loop, have been putting one into every system we build.
Might be time for a RIP GN redux!
I really want one of these. Need? No, but I do have a work use that it would be perfect for involving virtualisation.
Jay, I don't see the parts anymore. Please reply what the mobo, memory, cpu, cooler(s), etc. are.
so ryzen master eats 4-5k in score in R23... would have loved the melting shirt with it saying in purple neon cyperpunk font "Melty" at the top
Hey, JTC, can you spend some time in a short vid to talk about the Ryzen Master software and some tips for use?
Remember the i9 7980XE? Lol
So you need to hook up an aquarium water chiller!
Because a is alternate b is baseline and c is control
Might be a good use case for a double mora setup
I would try disabling some cores that should improve over all performance & temperature regarding games, benchmark scores.