The 5090 being so power hungry, I'd think most people would Undervolt by 10-15%, get lower temps and only lose 2% performance would be the better route to go.
@@ronjatter What he did wasn't undervolting, he was just playing around with the power target. Haven't seen anyone doing proper undervolting with the 5090 yet.
@@ronjatter Gong by his video, yes i've seen it. If you undervolt the 5090 by 10%, you only lose 2% fps, while gaining 7% less power usage. 20% drop in power use gets you 5% loss in fps, but 17% less power use. Go to his video, 7:40 if you dont believe me.
(6090 appears) "So this is how you build a secondary dedicated power line through your house, so running your computer together with anything else in your house won't blow out your fuses."
Homes haven't used fuses in a very long time. If yours still does you need to have your electric gutted and replaced so that you're not living in a fire hazard.
@earthtaurus5515 No joke, I play in a small room with a 3090 and I almost never need the heater on during winter. I can't imagine how hot a 5090 would make it
Lol, I bought my 1600W PSU just at the end of SLI support, thinking it might still be a thing. Sure didn't expect it to still prove useful all these years later.
@paradoxicalmadness4507 no. The W rating means it can draw up to 1600w, not that it will draw that much continuously. And generally, a PSU will reach its peak efficiency at about 50% of its maximum rated draw. But that's a marginal difference that can be ignored. The bronze/silver/etc rating vaguely refers to the PSU general efficiency.
Exactly. My 4090 Strix melted its connector using a cable mod 90 degree angle connector. That connector in Australia got recalled. Asus fixed my card for free fortunately. The 5090 power draw is crazy..
Check out Tech Yes City. That channel did a nice job on this. But to summarize: He tried it Space Marine 2 at 4k high: For comparison, he tried the 4090 and had 97 fps at 415 Watt. Stock 5090 did 133 fps at 575 Watt. He then tried some undervolts for the 5090: 960 mv with 2700 clock: 133 fps and 485 (same fps at lower power usage) 900 mv with 2500 clock: 125 fps and 405 Watt 875 mv with 2300 clock: 117 fps and 356 Watt. DerBauer also meddled some with it, but he only power limited the thing instead of undervolting it iirc.
@@APurpleSpy Technically it is undervolting, because the card lowered the voltage automatically when you lower the power target, aswell as the frequency. I know what you're saying though, you want to lock the voltage to something like 950mv with a fixed clock, and see where it ends up.
I've got a cardboard "Jay Duct" on my window ac unit. It directs the cold air sideways, at the front of my case instead of straight out into the room. 4 foot gap between the end of the duct and the case so I'm not blowing condensation in there. I had a big ol' Mac Pro somebody gave me several years ago. Ran hot as hell. I found that when you pulled the side panel off, a 20" box fan fit just right.
Here in Brazil we have both 127V and 220V power grids, depending on where you live. the highest power rating on a domestic outlet (there are two options, 10A and 20A) is 4400W (220V on 20A outlet), but regulations say you'll need to have an exclusive wiring and breaker just for this outlet. Not sure if there's a continuous draw limit, but I recon that if the outlet is rated for 20A it shouldn't melt below that no matter what.
crazy I can already see a metric TON of the work you put into the shop and office making its way into the final video polish, the quality really stepped up a notch since the new space.
You can get over 1500 watt power supplies in the US. For example, there is the Silver Stone HELA 2050R Platinum. It only takes about 17 amps of current at 120 volts to generate 2050 watts. Easily obtainable on a standard 20-25 amp circuit.
20amp circuits aren't all that common, let alone 25. The closest thing to a 25amp 120v plug i know of is the TT30 (twist lock 30 amp receptacle often used for travel trailers) Also, that psu you just used as a example only does 1650w on 120v, it needs to be hooked up to 240v to get the full 2050w.
or get a 5070 if you want asit will neeed just 650 watt psu according to requirements of it. have a 750 WATT CORSAIR PSU SINCE 2016. Since then i have upgraded the whole pc(cpu ram motherboard in 2017 ssd in 2020 graphics card in 2021). One month ago i thought that for a Chirstmas present to change it and get a RXM 1200 WATT that in my country cost 270 euros so the pc be ready for future upgrade. But i told with my pc tehcnician andh e said to not do it sincem y pc still works with it and to see in the next upgrade, which will be cpu ram and motheboard if it will be needed then. Should i get it now or not? Mine pc is RYZEN 7 1700 RX 6700XT 12 GBR ED DEVIL 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S DELLP2416S 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
It's wild that we are getting so close to hitting the limit that most power outlets in the us can handle. I mean, let's say you are pulling 1500 watts, a normal 15 amp breaker (which is the norm for 99% of houses in the US) can pull 1800 ish watts, and a 20 amp breaker can pull about 2400 watts. And let's not forget that's to for an entire breaker, which normally has more than one plug on a breaker. We are getting to the cap of how much power one you can pull from a normal 120-volt plug. Something is gonna have to give soon.
Yeah not really a europe problem. 1 breaker will handle 3600watts. 16A. A high end pc on full load won't even reach 1000Watts. No pc will demand 1500watts. If the gpu would draw 700watts there is still 800 left for cpu. Mb ram and ssd dont use much
I had to swap around where things were plugged in just going from a 65W 3700X to a 105W 5950X. Must have been right on the edge before, once I had the 5950X cranking I started popping the breaker. Plus you rarely have a breaker per outlet so you have to take into account the other things plugged into that circuit.
@@TheAdatto You're not accounting for a 80-85% efficiency of power supplies meaning that about 15% of that power is heat waste. So if the gpu draws 700 watts, then in real world scenario that's 805 watts of power drawn just for the gpu. Same methodology applies to other components, so 250 watt cpu is really a 287.5 watts, and 100 watt motherboard is really 115 watts. Then you add in the pump reservoir, SSD's, RGB lighting. It all adds up. At that point, you're looking at 1,300 watts being drawn (which isn't even taking into account the monitor screen) so johnaldridge is correct, at least in the US they are getting close to hitting the limit of what most power outlets in the US can handle. But yeah not really an Australian problem either. The US electrical grid is kinda garbage 😅
The next big thing will be 3nm chips, which will run faster and cooler. After that, things get interesting. The cost to go to 2nm probably won't be worth it, and maybe not feasible anyway.
Those are 4090 boxes. They cheaped out on the 50 series packaging big time. They're claiming that the new packaging is environmentally friendly but it's just two boxes instead of one and no nice graphics. I'd rather have a nicer box, I keep them.
WHEN WILL WE GET TO SEE THE MESHROOM D 5090 BUILD REVIEW?? My Meshroom D just arrived yesterday and I am waiting to see your test results before I plan out the rest of my build! Thanks Jay!
For the poweruser, Undervolting/optimizing the voltage curve will probably yield the best results. I assume, from what I have seen, stock performamce at 400ish W should be possible.
dude standards changes after a decade . i hv 650 w platinum since 2015 which still powering my system but it supports upto to super due to two pcie connectors only
Jay - just set the BIOS to force gen 4 PCIE. Verify if the performance is the same as gen 5, take the power reading, then revert. Or you could have a dedicated power testing bench that is simply always gen 4. Or maybe you might find a gen 5 riser, but I'm not sure that'll happen.
Most important: MSI Afterburner (somewhat not developed any longer) still works on the 50s series. Great! I would care more, how much performance loss we get by undervolting.
Well at least they're being environmentally friendly by providing the GPU in full cardboard packaging :D On a separate note, can I just thank you for getting the Jaws quote correct.
In the US you can get a ~240 mains socket by not splitting the phase at the panel. This is normally done to get 2 separate ~120V circuits. Install a suitable mains circuit and it should be possible to run a 220 V circuit to your battle station 😉
I wonder how well the 5090 would do in a good custom water loop. That plus liquid metal would be Very interesting to see! - For me at least. I know not everyone is interested in that.
Looking at some of the AIB 5090 reviews out there, the bigger crazy coolers are helping big time. Doing OC on AIB boards with the big coolers could yield even better results.
***Something you could do some testing in: I run my systems on a 1500W UPS. The reasoning isn't the ups part but the line filtering part. I use a 1300w dark power pro 13 PSU. I find I get a more stable 12VDC. Please do a video testing between the 3 benches. a 1500w ups. a 3000w ups and no ups. IT would be really cool to show how you can get a more stable line in and how that transfers to OC stability. ORRR lack of any performance/ stability gain! I will even lend my APC UPS!
in Australia you can run up to 2400W on a single outlet (240V x 10A). you need a dedicated separate fuse and line to run higher (415V and 15A) to go higher, which I'm sure will be the next gen of cards.
I see you're using the printout notes like Steve does, but this is a tech channel dang it. Put a giant touch screen on the wall and give us a powerpoint presentation or something! lol
Good thing that I picked up an Corsair ax1600i about 1 year ago. I thought it was overkill but got it brand new and very cheap from somebody that never even opened the box. The price for a psu have increased significantly compared to what it used to cost because I got the original receipt and when the seller purchased it the full price was less than half of what it costs today so he got back the full price he paid for it and I got a very good deal in todays market.
Suggestion on overclock testing- Measure RTX and not RTX content separately. Non-RTX content can handle far more aggressive OCs because the board will give the CUDA cores more watts with the AI and RTX cores off. Since its limited by watts with rtx off frees up 50-75 watts for cuda cores. My 4090 hits 3100mhz steady with non-rtx content (like helldivers) with RTX content it struggles 2850mhz. Considering 90% of my gaming time is non-rtx content, having two OC settings is clutch. This is also why sometimes the RTX series will only show up as 90-5% usage in some game. Because rtx is off.
No offense, but you guys need to do a better job reviewing your videos before posting them. There were several slides in there that didn't include 5090 overclock results so I'm not sure why they were in there. Also when the original review dropped, there was a typo in every slide for the "RTSX 4080".
@13:15 keep in mind that the typical NA breaker can handle 1800 watts, so at 90% efficiency a 1600 watt power supply will be using all of that at its rated capacity. No room for monitors or speakers on the same circuit, plus thats hard as hell on the breaker
Its got so much headroom its insane. Craziest part is the aib have way more room. The fe is already on average 5fps slower then the astral but the astral from what we are hearing can have a 20% uplift from an OC. So my comment is geared towards those not the fe with a 104% compared to a 133%. So 4% power compared to 30% then the actual clocks can be pushed higher. The fe 5090 doesn't have close to as much headroom.
whats getting me to think twice about the astral is 40% more cost for 7% more clock speed out of the box. We will have to see how it reacts under real world conditions being overclocked. With the plug being 600W max rated, that could be an issue.
We can look at it this way too, 5090 has 2x the specs (almost all) of 5080 yet 5090 doesn't have 2x the TDP of 5080. This tells me that the card can gain more than usual performance uplift with more power funnily enough.
In Europe, if i'm not mistaking, it's 2500 W from the wall. And you can actually do a lot more, but you need some work to do on your electric panel. In UK that's not easily possible, but in the rest of Europe, you can get 380 Volts with 15 Amps and that's a lot of power... (do the math) 😀
You are mistaken a bit. If it has a 10A breaker, it's 2400W max. 16A breaker would offer a bigger load at 3800W. 380V is a 3-phase system, that individual phase is 240V, but the voltage is higher between two phases. 3x16A can handle a 11kW load.
I know we can pause Jay but at this speed I can't even read the header above the game graphs in time to see if I wanne pause on it. So I had to pause on all of them and it really took me out of the flow of the video and did not catch anything you sad during it. Thought you might wanne know, anyway fun video to watch besides that and I cant wait for the best "Melting Connectors Shirt v2.0" if they turn out to melt again.
Agee 100%, Jay slow it down a bit and make the header font a bit bigger and bolder so we can see it a bit easier. Not a complaint as much as a constructive observation. 👍
I was really hoping the 5090 would take two 12-2x6s to address the 600w limit on the cable. I bought a 1500w PSU with two 12v-2x6s just for this. At least I will be ready for the next gen after the 50 series.
someone who shall not be named cough cough phil cough put the wrong cyberpunk charts up for 1440p and 1080p they did not have the OC 5090 on them and the stalker 2 chart had only the stock 5090 not one OC 5090 result
If you use two power supplies to get over US outlet power limitations it will trip your breaker. The two power supplies would need to be separate circuits. You could try connecting it to your washing machines power plugs. Those are usually 240 volts even in the US
I feel like we are in territory where power and cores are linear to performance so manufacturers will be adding more power connectors and looking at multidie/multicard situations again.
@ yep. Sadly it’s going to take another 3 generations to power the most powerful headsets currently on the market. There’s zero point in Pimax developing the 12K now as nothing is going to max it out for a long long time.
@@Dachopper_ yes I totally agree. Pimax should focus less on resolution and more on comfort of use, edge to edge clarity and reliability and customer service. It's like they don't know there market at all. VR gamers who are more interested in wireless type of games are not going to buy a more bulky expensive Pimax. VR simmers are interested in Pimax, but those type of games are really demanding in the first place, like you said 12K doesn't make sense, it's way to demanding. I really laughed when they released the Pimax Crystal with batteries, only Pimax can convince themselves that was a smart move. Such a weird company, with the light version they kind of redeemed themselves. In that price category there is hardly anything else. It's weird that a lot of developers don't implement dynamic foveated rendering, that can help solve the fps issue. VR is frustrating, but it's hard to go back to monitor gaming.
@@Dachopper_ I´m totally fine with my HP G2, 150%, is the same quality as looking into an 1440p monitor, and i use it mainly for RF2, Iracing and AMS2, i´m just fine. Super smooth with the settings i use, using openxr, of course. Win11 stuck at 23h2, to not loose WMR. Even, with only one eye(cancer), i still use VR. Cannot understand how can anyone drive in sims using super expensive gear, but not VR ?! I just need one type of wheel, no boxes, no lights, I´m inside the car.... Anyway, to each what they prefer.
I think if you'd played with it more and maybe moved in increments of 5 or 10 you could have found a point of hit 40,000. This would be so cool to see in XOC honestly.
These components are becoming increasingly power-hungry and impractical for most people. It’s a huge shame because I’m a stickler for high-end rigs when I eventually upgrade. At this rate, it seems like owning high-end systems is becoming exclusive to homeowners who have the luxury of upgrading their electrical systems. As a renter, I’m stuck with standard outlets, and upgrading isn’t an option. On top of that, running a rig at these costs without a UPS is a very foolish idea. But the issue is, any UPS with a maximum draw over 1000W can’t be plugged into a standard NEMA 15 outlet, which adds even more complications. These trends are making high-end setups less accessible for enthusiasts like me, who have big enough pockets for a nice PC but not for a house-especially in a place like Vancouver, Canada. I’m sorry to say this, but NVIDIA really needs to focus on developing their high-end GPUs to consume less power. A system shouldn’t draw more than 1000W at full load unless they can somehow rewrite building codes to require all electrical outlets to be a minimum of NEMA 5-20. Until then, this kind of power consumption is just unreasonable for most users.
Tough, my wall socket gives 3500 watts. Thats a group just for top floor, so just a few lamps will take some of that. Interesting to read all those with these kind of issues in North Am. (Eu here)
@@Ronald-vz6pl I’m jealous of the UK standard! Our outlets here in North America are such a limiting factor, especially with how demanding the industry has gotten lately. To make it worse, the circuit breaker powering my PC also handles 10 other outlets, all capped at a maximum of 1800 watts with just 15 amps. And don’t even get me started on running a portable air conditioner in the summer! LOL. I even have to consider the power draw of everything when I’m using my PC-every little bit adds up! It’s frustrating to work around these limitations when building a high-end rig. You’re lucky to have a better setup in Europe!
Overclocking could become really interesting on the lower power cards like 5080 or 5070, due to more headroom until the power delivery ceiling is hit. @Jay I really like your new graphs, but a marker on which part of the graph to follow would be really helpful for me. Also the pacing between each graph is a little quick for me. -thanks!
Moment of silence to Kingpin, More like moment of silence to Respect as that Person is taking a step back to stay into something he finds fun and improve his family life. If he comes back,i hope to see him on Team Red or Blue. I really feel his Team Green day are over forever.
@@thebloxxer22More like AMD is so disconnected that they stopped competing because they know the pearl clutchers will blindly pay near Nvidia prices for mediocre hardware because it's not green.
KINGPIN on team blue would really boost their credibility. His knowledge could help in research and development. Team Red already said they are out in high end GPU. Team Blue has not limited themselves. Would be a great match if Team Blue could stop stepping on their wieners.
@ I get they said that, but I think AMD was anticipating a rasterization update a well as the extra asic functionality, diss, Rex, nvenc are all separate functions. The fact is when you look at the math on connectivity, that’s the real upgrades that shown more fps, in fact it’s numbers are beyond and the release date was speculation at CES, I think we’re going to see a different answer from AMD with the 9080, but it’ll probably be later in the year. They just won’t compete with nvidia on frame gen the way we thought at CES. Remember AMD is great at making things, not mastering them. They will treat frame gen just as they did with Radeon’s approach to tessellation in the. Mid 2000’s.
Our Dutch outlets (normal ones) can do 16 amps at 230V tops. So that's around 3600W. That's generally also the max of the fuse, so in general you don't want to go that far unless you only have one piece of equipment on such a fuse. Most homes have 16 of those fuses though.
Yea that EASILY beats my Port Royal Hall of Fame (all GPUs) score of (31205) with 2x3090 from April-2022 (Water cooled) Wish you showed the Leaderboards!
I think a parallel feed would be better for these high power cards. Same gauge wire, just two sets. Just to be safe. Temps would come down almost by half. For the cables and connectors I mean. Not the card. Wrap it so it looks like a single cable and it wouldn't look bad either
Create a custom curve, tweak each voltage point on the table, set a boost curve limit to stop rubber banding, set 3dmarks priority in windows, install 3dmark seperate to steam to reduce overhead, create 5 seperate profiles each with slightly more agressive boost tables and then swap the MSI AB profile using hotkeys through the run to squeeze out every point. Jay could have gotten another 3000 or more points out of that card in 3dmark.
I was so thrilled when you got out the air conditiioner :D That's the JayzTwoCents material I came for :P One interesting thought: GN showed that there are these slats on the FE that help push air out of the GPU. I wonder what results you'd get if you cut holes in the janky plastic holder to let the air get out of those as well when you aim the air conditioner at the GPU.
We can do 3000 watt power supplies in the US. 120 volt X 25 amps. And most people don't know this but our homes actually have 240 volt service, it's two legs of 120 volt. So you can easily add a more powerful circuit if need be.
what am i missing, i dont understand why there is charts included, that does not have OC benchmark.. from 5:46 and its multiple charts that dosnt have OC benchmark included
CAN'T WAIT for the waterblocks! Alphacool's already on it, as I'm sure the rest are. -Given a 500watt 120mm space heater puts out a very warm breeze, I can imagine we are going to see water loop temperatures rise significantly. -Separate loops may be required or quad-140's needing an additional 240mm rad to keep loop temps under 40c @load with reasonable fan speeds. My 5800x3d & 6900xt @ 425w OC-bios and an alphacool loop runs 6-8c above ambient with a 360mm front and 240mm top rad. Fan speeds are not something I would say I enjoy sitting next to without headphones on in game, I curve the fans to near silence out of game though.
Don't OC a nvidia card by just setting a static GPU offset. Modify the boost curve, you will get better results especially when the GPU is hitting TDP limit as you can eliminate rubberbanding by adding a limit on the boost curve. I guess that's atleast one timespy extreme score I will have no issue beating at release.
Corsair AX1600i here powering my direct die OC'd 14900KS and 4090. Ready for the 5090! UPS is APC 2200VA/2000W. Will be fitting a waterblock for custom loop to the 5090 if I can't get one ready fitted at launch.
My UPS just goes to 800W, but it still enough for what i have, 5800x3d and 4800S, 6 HDD, 2 SDD, 2 NVME, PCIe 4x Sata expansion card, 6 fans, watercooled cpu, 1000w Corsair. 2 monitores, 1 DAC, several usb devices, i had to add an usb3 hub with 16 ports , because of sim race gear. My main concern is when working, i don´t need the devices turn on, last year lost electricity in my building for 20 minutes, and the UPS could power my machine, at least enough time to save my work.
Hi Jay, another video idea, could you put a power limit on the card of 80% and 90% and see what the power usage is and how much performance is lost and if its worth it?
Two takeaways from this fantastic review is that the 5090 isn't a true "4k card" if it can't maintain a 60fps without dropping with the 5% and 1% lows. And even with the performance uplift over the 4090, this card isn't enough to bottleneck a high end cpu like 9800x3D. This means that the 60 series i.e 6090 in the future will be the true "4k card" Take what you will with that.
Really looking forward to seeing you do a SFF build with the 5090. Been a MacBook user for ages, need some serious power as I’ve taken an interest into unreal engine, virtual production etc. want to try out ray tracing etc! If you can make a SFF build work well with the 5090 I’m going to be sooo happy!
I wish MSI Afterburner had a function that lets you use auto fan, but add i.e. 10% rpm. That way the fans will still go down when not needed, but will run faster than standard.
Ok but what about undervolting and slightly lowering the power limit/target? I feel like we'll still get 20-25% more performance than the 4090 while consuming less. Doesn't fit the narrative though :(
I'd be more interesting in how the GPE performs when lowering the power target and/or undervolting. Iirc the 4090 could be run with like 80% power target and barely lose any performance at all. If the 5090 performs similar, that'd be a huge thing to consider for a GPU that otherwise eats up 575W!
13:00 you’re limited to 1600 Watt power supplies on 120V bc 15A x 120V = 1,800W. 120V x 20A = 2,400W. Circuits are typically calculated at 80%, so 1440W & 1920W respectively. You’d want a dedicated 20A circuit to run a 1600W PS. If you run 2 power supplies, they’ll have to be on two separate / their own circuits.
Ideas for videos: Undervolting the card to reduce heat and power draw for those of us that live in 40 degree heat. AI generation and token generation speed, Stable Diffusion, generation, inpainting, image style changing.
Also, I'm not sure why people keep making jokes about the 6090 and heat. The 5090 is a 4 nm mode while 4090 is 5 nm, so it's unsurprising to seem them throwing more power at it to try to make it look better. The 6090 is going to use a more advanced process, so the gains in performance are going to be higher.
Thinking back, that thing uses the same power draw as old high end SLI setups and costs what the old quad SLI would with 4 graphics cards. 😂 Totally recommend for a gamer on a budget 👍🏼
I run temperature sensors beside my 4090's power plug and I've seen them reach 58C, that's not overclocked and I was running a game that wasn't particularly resource intensive. The temperature sensors probably aren't as accurate as a thermal camera as the sensors sit a couple mm from the connector so really they're measuring the air around the plug rather than the plug itself, and the air is not going to be as warm as the plug itself. Still - they get surprisingly warm. I'm definitely going to keep my ears open to see if melting 5090s becomes a thing!
Until CPUs come out that push the 5090's performance more, I'm thinking there is very little use case for overclocking the 5090. But of course if someone can afford this kind of PC setup, I'm fine with them doing whatever.
First thing i do my 5090 arrives - lower the powerlimit lol. Nobody needs a heater in the gaming room, especially in summer. Overclocking is nonesense!
No Jay, YOU need a bigger power supply, I need a bigger wallet
But then there is even more empty space in your wallet! :O
sell your wallet you wont need 1 after buying a 5090
Tell me you sign on without saying you sign on
There's no point in having a bigger wallet if you have no money in it. XD
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The 5090 being so power hungry, I'd think most people would Undervolt by 10-15%, get lower temps and only lose 2% performance would be the better route to go.
Why? Overclock it till it dies. Then buy a new one. This is the way.
Its already been shown by der8auer that it loses a lot more than 2 percent performance when undervolted
@@ronjatter What he did wasn't undervolting, he was just playing around with the power target. Haven't seen anyone doing proper undervolting with the 5090 yet.
@@ronjatter Gong by his video, yes i've seen it. If you undervolt the 5090 by 10%, you only lose 2% fps, while gaining 7% less power usage. 20% drop in power use gets you 5% loss in fps, but 17% less power use.
Go to his video, 7:40 if you dont believe me.
Never.
Yo! I live in Puerto Rico please don't take all the energy trying to overclock that GPU last time somebody tried it we had a full blackout
Time to add a second hamster wheel to your power grid.
😂😂😂@@layzie45
How true is this? 🤣
@@nyrydaman17It's believable
Last time the power went out, the T-Rex got out on nearby Isla Nublar 120 Miles W
(6090 appears)
"So this is how you build a secondary dedicated power line through your house, so running your computer together with anything else in your house won't blow out your fuses."
Mske pettition to go 220v instead 110v
Just buy one of those electric car Wall chargers and connect it directly to the 6090. Might even have enough headroom for a slight overclock
Homes haven't used fuses in a very long time. If yours still does you need to have your electric gutted and replaced so that you're not living in a fire hazard.
He needs to contact David Hahn, he tried to build a nuclear reactor in his garden when he was younger. **edit** I found out that David Han is dead.
@@ScoobyJoobyJew All homes here do in the UK.
for the 6090, you will need watercooled cables
At this rate, you won't need any central heating for winter.... 😶😶
@earthtaurus5515 No joke, I play in a small room with a 3090 and I almost never need the heater on during winter. I can't imagine how hot a 5090 would make it
Water cooled cables WITH RGB 🌈💦
remember the Z590 Aorus Pro AX motherboard that needed a VCore power plane heatsink if you wanted to push a higher end chip?
watercooled watercooler
overclocking a gpu that can hit basically 600watts is crazy lol
Agree 💀
MSI supreme 5090 hit 831watts no OC 😂
@@csguak Those are like 1-2ms peaks so it doesn't count. The sustained power load is the only problem.
Bro is the cable able to manage that much power?
a freaking fridge would run on 600~800 watts
Lol, I bought my 1600W PSU just at the end of SLI support, thinking it might still be a thing.
Sure didn't expect it to still prove useful all these years later.
in which year
If you don't get close to 1600W will be inefficient and draw more than it should? Is that what the gold, platinum, titanium means
Im kinda new to this
1600watt is the minimum
@paradoxicalmadness4507 no. The W rating means it can draw up to 1600w, not that it will draw that much continuously. And generally, a PSU will reach its peak efficiency at about 50% of its maximum rated draw. But that's a marginal difference that can be ignored.
The bronze/silver/etc rating vaguely refers to the PSU general efficiency.
@@CaptainScorpio24 about 2018/2019
I love that the power connector can provide 600W and the cards are drawing 650+W ... Hopefully not more cards going down in a blaze!
the pcie slot provides 75 watts as well. they are definitely nearing the limit.
75 from the slot
@@rozzbourn3653 This cable is much more close to the limit than the old 8pin
Exactly. My 4090 Strix melted its connector using a cable mod 90 degree angle connector. That connector in Australia got recalled. Asus fixed my card for free fortunately. The 5090 power draw is crazy..
i cant wait to see reports of fires
I'm WAY more interested in what we could see from undervolting than overclocking.
Yup with a 1000w PSU since that's more common than having a 1600w.
Derbauer did that already
@@Rashimotosan he moved power target sliders and compared the performance loss vs power reduction. That's not undervolting.
Check out Tech Yes City. That channel did a nice job on this.
But to summarize:
He tried it Space Marine 2 at 4k high:
For comparison, he tried the 4090 and had 97 fps at 415 Watt.
Stock 5090 did 133 fps at 575 Watt.
He then tried some undervolts for the 5090:
960 mv with 2700 clock: 133 fps and 485 (same fps at lower power usage)
900 mv with 2500 clock: 125 fps and 405 Watt
875 mv with 2300 clock: 117 fps and 356 Watt.
DerBauer also meddled some with it, but he only power limited the thing instead of undervolting it iirc.
@@APurpleSpy Technically it is undervolting, because the card lowered the voltage automatically when you lower the power target, aswell as the frequency. I know what you're saying though, you want to lock the voltage to something like 950mv with a fixed clock, and see where it ends up.
I'm at the beginning and he says we're gonna keep it as cool as possible. I immediately think he's gonna pull out the good ol AC unit.
I've got a cardboard "Jay Duct" on my window ac unit. It directs the cold air sideways, at the front of my case instead of straight out into the room.
4 foot gap between the end of the duct and the case so I'm not blowing condensation in there.
I had a big ol' Mac Pro somebody gave me several years ago. Ran hot as hell. I found that when you pulled the side panel off, a 20" box fan fit just right.
13:30 FYI the most we can draw from a UK domestic plug is close to 3000W. However, for continuous draw it is normally limited to 2300W.
We poor Americans are stuck with 2200-2400 W max on most circuits.
@@CaptainJonathanUnless it's a dedicated 240V (Twin Live, Single Neutral, Single Ground) outlet.
UK FTW
In NL we can get close to 4kw
Here in Brazil we have both 127V and 220V power grids, depending on where you live. the highest power rating on a domestic outlet (there are two options, 10A and 20A) is 4400W (220V on 20A outlet), but regulations say you'll need to have an exclusive wiring and breaker just for this outlet. Not sure if there's a continuous draw limit, but I recon that if the outlet is rated for 20A it shouldn't melt below that no matter what.
crazy I can already see a metric TON of the work you put into the shop and office making its way into the final video polish, the quality really stepped up a notch since the new space.
You can get over 1500 watt power supplies in the US. For example, there is the Silver Stone HELA 2050R Platinum. It only takes about 17 amps of current at 120 volts to generate 2050 watts. Easily obtainable on a standard 20-25 amp circuit.
20amp circuits aren't all that common, let alone 25. The closest thing to a 25amp 120v plug i know of is the TT30 (twist lock 30 amp receptacle often used for travel trailers)
Also, that psu you just used as a example only does 1650w on 120v, it needs to be hooked up to 240v to get the full 2050w.
@@Wooble57it’s funny reading all of these comments from people who think they understand electricity. 17A on a 20A circuit is overloaded anyway.
Gonna wait for the 5080 Super. 600+W is insane.
When will the 5080 super be available?
So you are fine with 560+ W? But not 600..?
That $1,500 USD MSRP for the 5080 Ti will blow you away next year. Expect 24GB of VRAM and not much else.
Keep in mind it's a 5070 ti that's being sold as a 5080.
or get a 5070 if you want asit will neeed just 650 watt psu according to requirements of it.
have a 750 WATT CORSAIR PSU SINCE 2016. Since then i have upgraded the whole pc(cpu ram motherboard in 2017 ssd in 2020 graphics card in 2021). One month ago i thought that for a Chirstmas present to change it and get a RXM 1200 WATT that in my country cost 270 euros so the pc be ready for future upgrade. But i told with my pc tehcnician andh e said to not do it sincem y pc still works with it and to see in the next upgrade, which will be cpu ram and motheboard if it will be needed then. Should i get it now or not?
Mine pc is
RYZEN 7 1700
RX 6700XT 12 GBR ED DEVIL
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416S 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
It's wild that we are getting so close to hitting the limit that most power outlets in the us can handle. I mean, let's say you are pulling 1500 watts, a normal 15 amp breaker (which is the norm for 99% of houses in the US) can pull 1800 ish watts, and a 20 amp breaker can pull about 2400 watts. And let's not forget that's to for an entire breaker, which normally has more than one plug on a breaker.
We are getting to the cap of how much power one you can pull from a normal 120-volt plug.
Something is gonna have to give soon.
Yeah not really a europe problem. 1 breaker will handle 3600watts. 16A. A high end pc on full load won't even reach 1000Watts. No pc will demand 1500watts. If the gpu would draw 700watts there is still 800 left for cpu. Mb ram and ssd dont use much
I had to swap around where things were plugged in just going from a 65W 3700X to a 105W 5950X. Must have been right on the edge before, once I had the 5950X cranking I started popping the breaker.
Plus you rarely have a breaker per outlet so you have to take into account the other things plugged into that circuit.
PC AND monitor, usually.
@@TheAdatto You're not accounting for a 80-85% efficiency of power supplies meaning that about 15% of that power is heat waste. So if the gpu draws 700 watts, then in real world scenario that's 805 watts of power drawn just for the gpu. Same methodology applies to other components, so 250 watt cpu is really a 287.5 watts, and 100 watt motherboard is really 115 watts. Then you add in the pump reservoir, SSD's, RGB lighting. It all adds up. At that point, you're looking at 1,300 watts being drawn (which isn't even taking into account the monitor screen) so johnaldridge is correct, at least in the US they are getting close to hitting the limit of what most power outlets in the US can handle.
But yeah not really an Australian problem either. The US electrical grid is kinda garbage 😅
The next big thing will be 3nm chips, which will run faster and cooler. After that, things get interesting. The cost to go to 2nm probably won't be worth it, and maybe not feasible anyway.
using 2 rt 5090 founders edition boxes as a table is a flex
Those are 40 series boxes
Soon the electricity it’ll use will cost more than the games themselves at this rate 😱
Those are 4090 boxes. They cheaped out on the 50 series packaging big time. They're claiming that the new packaging is environmentally friendly but it's just two boxes instead of one and no nice graphics. I'd rather have a nicer box, I keep them.
RTX 1090 Ti
4090 boxes.
Hey Jay, thank you for being the one who stays sane in this crazy drama landscape. Keep up the good tech!
WHEN WILL WE GET TO SEE THE MESHROOM D 5090 BUILD REVIEW?? My Meshroom D just arrived yesterday and I am waiting to see your test results before I plan out the rest of my build! Thanks Jay!
For the poweruser, Undervolting/optimizing the voltage curve will probably yield the best results. I assume, from what I have seen, stock performamce at 400ish W should be possible.
like i have said for the last 8 years. its cheaper in the end to buy a 1600w at the get go
The Asus Thor lll 1600w
MSI Meg.
dude standards changes after a decade . i hv 650 w platinum since 2015 which still powering my system but it supports upto to super due to two pcie connectors only
1600w is stupid especially 8 yrs ago 😂
@@milhouse8166Found the guy that can't do math.
Jay - just set the BIOS to force gen 4 PCIE. Verify if the performance is the same as gen 5, take the power reading, then revert. Or you could have a dedicated power testing bench that is simply always gen 4. Or maybe you might find a gen 5 riser, but I'm not sure that'll happen.
Most important: MSI Afterburner (somewhat not developed any longer) still works on the 50s series. Great!
I would care more, how much performance loss we get by undervolting.
Well at least they're being environmentally friendly by providing the GPU in full cardboard packaging :D
On a separate note, can I just thank you for getting the Jaws quote correct.
In the US you can get a ~240 mains socket by not splitting the phase at the panel. This is normally done to get 2 separate ~120V circuits. Install a suitable mains circuit and it should be possible to run a 220 V circuit to your battle station 😉
I wonder how well the 5090 would do in a good custom water loop. That plus liquid metal would be Very interesting to see!
- For me at least. I know not everyone is interested in that.
Maybe a loop filled with liquid metal instead of water?🤣
@@ScottGrammer 😱😱😱
For watercooling I'd personally use ptm7950
@@ScottGrammer sounds epic
Looking at some of the AIB 5090 reviews out there, the bigger crazy coolers are helping big time.
Doing OC on AIB boards with the big coolers could yield even better results.
***Something you could do some testing in: I run my systems on a 1500W UPS. The reasoning isn't the ups part but the line filtering part. I use a 1300w dark power pro 13 PSU. I find I get a more stable 12VDC. Please do a video testing between the 3 benches. a 1500w ups. a 3000w ups and no ups. IT would be really cool to show how you can get a more stable line in and how that transfers to OC stability. ORRR lack of any performance/ stability gain! I will even lend my APC UPS!
Which UPS do you use?
in Australia you can run up to 2400W on a single outlet (240V x 10A). you need a dedicated separate fuse and line to run higher (415V and 15A) to go higher, which I'm sure will be the next gen of cards.
It feels illegal to be this early
Yeah 😂
@@matheswaran100 agreed
actually sad. touch grass
original
That's what she said
Here in the UK our mains is 240V and 13A, this allows us to pull a maximum of 3000W, power supplies supporting that wattage do not exist ( yet)
I see you're using the printout notes like Steve does, but this is a tech channel dang it. Put a giant touch screen on the wall and give us a powerpoint presentation or something! lol
yea lol it is amazing how much people still rely on paper. Haven't used the stuff in a good 10 years
No death by PowerPoint please
@@gg-gn3re lol what do you wipe with then if not (toilet) paper.
It will be a cold day in he'll before I watch a RUclips video PowerPoint presentation
pull up holograms and ask jarvis to pull up numbers for you
Good thing that I picked up an Corsair ax1600i about 1 year ago.
I thought it was overkill but got it brand new and very cheap from somebody that never even opened the box.
The price for a psu have increased significantly compared to what it used to cost because I got the original receipt and when the seller purchased it the full price was less than half of what it costs today so he got back the full price he paid for it and I got a very good deal in todays market.
Suggestion on overclock testing- Measure RTX and not RTX content separately. Non-RTX content can handle far more aggressive OCs because the board will give the CUDA cores more watts with the AI and RTX cores off. Since its limited by watts with rtx off frees up 50-75 watts for cuda cores.
My 4090 hits 3100mhz steady with non-rtx content (like helldivers) with RTX content it struggles 2850mhz. Considering 90% of my gaming time is non-rtx content, having two OC settings is clutch.
This is also why sometimes the RTX series will only show up as 90-5% usage in some game. Because rtx is off.
i noticed that also, was stable at 3000 with all rt titles, but 3075 stable with older stuff and benchmarks with my 4090
Not only would you want a second PSU for xOC, you would also want to have a second circuit to make sure that you don’t trip a breaker.
No offense, but you guys need to do a better job reviewing your videos before posting them. There were several slides in there that didn't include 5090 overclock results so I'm not sure why they were in there. Also when the original review dropped, there was a typo in every slide for the "RTSX 4080".
You should do the same, but underclock/undervolt it, to see how much efficiency it can get without too much performance loss.
Can we also overclock our wallets?
Multi wallet generation is the future
credit
@13:15 keep in mind that the typical NA breaker can handle 1800 watts, so at 90% efficiency a 1600 watt power supply will be using all of that at its rated capacity. No room for monitors or speakers on the same circuit, plus thats hard as hell on the breaker
Its got so much headroom its insane. Craziest part is the aib have way more room. The fe is already on average 5fps slower then the astral but the astral from what we are hearing can have a 20% uplift from an OC. So my comment is geared towards those not the fe with a 104% compared to a 133%. So 4% power compared to 30% then the actual clocks can be pushed higher.
The fe 5090 doesn't have close to as much headroom.
whats getting me to think twice about the astral is 40% more cost for 7% more clock speed out of the box. We will have to see how it reacts under real world conditions being overclocked. With the plug being 600W max rated, that could be an issue.
We can look at it this way too, 5090 has 2x the specs (almost all) of 5080 yet 5090 doesn't have 2x the TDP of 5080. This tells me that the card can gain more than usual performance uplift with more power funnily enough.
But isn't the Astral rumoured to be $2800 - that's quite an uplift for 5fps
Overclocking is completely stupid and pointless. Founders Edition is still the best looking card so that’s the one I’d go for
In Europe, if i'm not mistaking, it's 2500 W from the wall. And you can actually do a lot more, but you need some work to do on your electric panel. In UK that's not easily possible, but in the rest of Europe, you can get 380 Volts with 15 Amps and that's a lot of power... (do the math) 😀
You are mistaken a bit. If it has a 10A breaker, it's 2400W max. 16A breaker would offer a bigger load at 3800W.
380V is a 3-phase system, that individual phase is 240V, but the voltage is higher between two phases. 3x16A can handle a 11kW load.
its enough to run two powerful pcs 800 and 600w i know for sure plus monitor etc
I know we can pause Jay but at this speed I can't even read the header above the game graphs in time to see if I wanne pause on it. So I had to pause on all of them and it really took me out of the flow of the video and did not catch anything you sad during it. Thought you might wanne know, anyway fun video to watch besides that and I cant wait for the best "Melting Connectors Shirt v2.0" if they turn out to melt again.
Even if they slowed the graphs down a tad, that'd be great. I agree even with pausing it was bit quick.
Agee 100%, Jay slow it down a bit and make the header font a bit bigger and bolder so we can see it a bit easier. Not a complaint as much as a constructive observation. 👍
I was really hoping the 5090 would take two 12-2x6s to address the 600w limit on the cable. I bought a 1500w PSU with two 12v-2x6s just for this. At least I will be ready for the next gen after the 50 series.
someone who shall not be named cough cough phil cough
put the wrong cyberpunk charts up for 1440p and 1080p they did not have the OC 5090 on them
and the stalker 2 chart had only the stock 5090 not one OC 5090 result
its crazy that i had to scroll down so far to find this comment which proves people dont look at the charts
@@Robbie-mw5uu yeah ridiculous no one effin noticed
If you use two power supplies to get over US outlet power limitations it will trip your breaker. The two power supplies would need to be separate circuits. You could try connecting it to your washing machines power plugs. Those are usually 240 volts even in the US
Hitting over 600 watts is scary. Still can’t believe nvidia didn’t put 2 - 16 pin connections
Because Nvidia knows people not in their right minds would buy another when they burn down their homes... 😅😶
And here I thought two eight pin plugs was crazy back in the day.
600 watts running through that tiny piece of silicone, almost seems like witchcraft
@@fepethepenguin8287 Hope you’re doing well!!!!
600w on 12v is 50amps. So would be 6,25 Amps per cable and 8 grounds. Thats almost te lowest fuse in a car
That’s crazy! Getting near 3000 MHz boost clock for NVIDIA is NUTS! My EVGA RTX 3080 runs at a near constant 2150 MHz boost clock.
That's what she said!
RIP GN... the timing probably not so great...
@@MikeNovelli Wdym RIP GN?
I’m gonna need to move, *_soon enough computers are going to trip the breakers in my house…_*
Or hire an electrician.
I feel like we are in territory where power and cores are linear to performance so manufacturers will be adding more power connectors and looking at multidie/multicard situations again.
Not worth it on flatscreen maybe but 5% for VR is. We’ll take every additional frame we can get
We VR gamers are doomed for years to come 😂. We are desperate for more fps, Nvidia got us by the balls, it's sad.
@ yep. Sadly it’s going to take another 3 generations to power the most powerful headsets currently on the market. There’s zero point in Pimax developing the 12K now as nothing is going to max it out for a long long time.
@@Dachopper_ yes I totally agree.
Pimax should focus less on resolution and more on comfort of use, edge to edge clarity and reliability and customer service. It's like they don't know there market at all. VR gamers who are more interested in wireless type of games are not going to buy a more bulky expensive Pimax. VR simmers are interested in Pimax, but those type of games are really demanding in the first place, like you said 12K doesn't make sense, it's way to demanding. I really laughed when they released the Pimax Crystal with batteries, only Pimax can convince themselves that was a smart move. Such a weird company, with the light version they kind of redeemed themselves. In that price category there is hardly anything else.
It's weird that a lot of developers don't implement dynamic foveated rendering, that can help solve the fps issue. VR is frustrating, but it's hard to go back to monitor gaming.
@@Dachopper_ I´m totally fine with my HP G2, 150%, is the same quality as looking into an 1440p monitor, and i use it mainly for RF2, Iracing and AMS2, i´m just fine. Super smooth with the settings i use, using openxr, of course. Win11 stuck at 23h2, to not loose WMR. Even, with only one eye(cancer), i still use VR. Cannot understand how can anyone drive in sims using super expensive gear, but not VR ?! I just need one type of wheel, no boxes, no lights, I´m inside the car.... Anyway, to each what they prefer.
@@boebsiebyarada9964 i just want full vision around, not binoculars...
I think if you'd played with it more and maybe moved in increments of 5 or 10 you could have found a point of hit 40,000.
This would be so cool to see in XOC honestly.
These components are becoming increasingly power-hungry and impractical for most people. It’s a huge shame because I’m a stickler for high-end rigs when I eventually upgrade. At this rate, it seems like owning high-end systems is becoming exclusive to homeowners who have the luxury of upgrading their electrical systems. As a renter, I’m stuck with standard outlets, and upgrading isn’t an option.
On top of that, running a rig at these costs without a UPS is a very foolish idea. But the issue is, any UPS with a maximum draw over 1000W can’t be plugged into a standard NEMA 15 outlet, which adds even more complications. These trends are making high-end setups less accessible for enthusiasts like me, who have big enough pockets for a nice PC but not for a house-especially in a place like Vancouver, Canada.
I’m sorry to say this, but NVIDIA really needs to focus on developing their high-end GPUs to consume less power. A system shouldn’t draw more than 1000W at full load unless they can somehow rewrite building codes to require all electrical outlets to be a minimum of NEMA 5-20. Until then, this kind of power consumption is just unreasonable for most users.
Well said... I'd be more impressed with this card if it had the same power draw as the previous Gen with performance gains it has.
@@csl750exactly. It’s faster by about the same % of its increased power. So big deal. Not impressed.
Tough, my wall socket gives 3500 watts. Thats a group just for top floor, so just a few lamps will take some of that. Interesting to read all those with these kind of issues in North Am. (Eu here)
@@Ronald-vz6pl I’m jealous of the UK standard! Our outlets here in North America are such a limiting factor, especially with how demanding the industry has gotten lately. To make it worse, the circuit breaker powering my PC also handles 10 other outlets, all capped at a maximum of 1800 watts with just 15 amps. And don’t even get me started on running a portable air conditioner in the summer! LOL. I even have to consider the power draw of everything when I’m using my PC-every little bit adds up! It’s frustrating to work around these limitations when building a high-end rig. You’re lucky to have a better setup in Europe!
@@Jdparachoniak😢
Overclocking could become really interesting on the lower power cards like 5080 or 5070, due to more headroom until the power delivery ceiling is hit.
@Jay I really like your new graphs, but a marker on which part of the graph to follow would be really helpful for me. Also the pacing between each graph is a little quick for me. -thanks!
Buying the most powerful/expensive GPU on the planet and still wanting more performance… sign of a real gamer lol
Just because the performance is still mid because of bad optimised games.
Moment of silence to Kingpin, More like moment of silence to Respect as that Person is taking a step back to stay into something he finds fun and improve his family life. If he comes back,i hope to see him on Team Red or Blue. I really feel his Team Green day are over forever.
Team Red, preferably - AMD is the mid-range cards, Intel is for budget restricted people, and NVIDIA is too far disconnected from the consumers.
@@thebloxxer22More like AMD is so disconnected that they stopped competing because they know the pearl clutchers will blindly pay near Nvidia prices for mediocre hardware because it's not green.
KINGPIN on team blue would really boost their credibility. His knowledge could help in research and development. Team Red already said they are out in high end GPU. Team Blue has not limited themselves. Would be a great match if Team Blue could stop stepping on their wieners.
@ I get they said that, but I think AMD was anticipating a rasterization update a well as the extra asic functionality, diss, Rex, nvenc are all separate functions. The fact is when you look at the math on connectivity, that’s the real upgrades that shown more fps, in fact it’s numbers are beyond and the release date was speculation at CES, I think we’re going to see a different answer from AMD with the 9080, but it’ll probably be later in the year. They just won’t compete with nvidia on frame gen the way we thought at CES. Remember AMD is great at making things, not mastering them. They will treat frame gen just as they did with Radeon’s approach to tessellation in the. Mid 2000’s.
Our Dutch outlets (normal ones) can do 16 amps at 230V tops. So that's around 3600W. That's generally also the max of the fuse, so in general you don't want to go that far unless you only have one piece of equipment on such a fuse. Most homes have 16 of those fuses though.
Thank you for the job you guys do!!!
Yea that EASILY beats my Port Royal Hall of Fame (all GPUs) score of (31205) with 2x3090 from April-2022 (Water cooled)
Wish you showed the Leaderboards!
I think a parallel feed would be better for these high power cards. Same gauge wire, just two sets. Just to be safe. Temps would come down almost by half. For the cables and connectors I mean. Not the card. Wrap it so it looks like a single cable and it wouldn't look bad either
The joys of being in the UK it's 240v everywhere (has to stepped down for 110v) access to the 2000watt+ PSU's without a rewire.
Noice!
You didn’t add the OC results for Stalker 2 señor.
Create a custom curve, tweak each voltage point on the table, set a boost curve limit to stop rubber banding, set 3dmarks priority in windows, install 3dmark seperate to steam to reduce overhead, create 5 seperate profiles each with slightly more agressive boost tables and then swap the MSI AB profile using hotkeys through the run to squeeze out every point. Jay could have gotten another 3000 or more points out of that card in 3dmark.
I was so thrilled when you got out the air conditiioner :D That's the JayzTwoCents material I came for :P One interesting thought: GN showed that there are these slats on the FE that help push air out of the GPU. I wonder what results you'd get if you cut holes in the janky plastic holder to let the air get out of those as well when you aim the air conditioner at the GPU.
13:25 ... *In Holland you can go to 3600 Watt !* ( 225 Volt x 16 Ampere )
We can do 3000 watt power supplies in the US. 120 volt X 25 amps. And most people don't know this but our homes actually have 240 volt service, it's two legs of 120 volt. So you can easily add a more powerful circuit if need be.
what am i missing, i dont understand why there is charts included, that does not have OC benchmark.. from 5:46 and its multiple charts that dosnt have OC benchmark included
CAN'T WAIT for the waterblocks! Alphacool's already on it, as I'm sure the rest are.
-Given a 500watt 120mm space heater puts out a very warm breeze, I can imagine we are going to see water loop temperatures rise significantly.
-Separate loops may be required or quad-140's needing an additional 240mm rad to keep loop temps under 40c @load with reasonable fan speeds.
My 5800x3d & 6900xt @ 425w OC-bios and an alphacool loop runs 6-8c above ambient with a 360mm front and 240mm top rad. Fan speeds are not something I would say I enjoy sitting next to without headphones on in game, I curve the fans to near silence out of game though.
I have a Quad 480 rad system in V3000+, expecting 5090 soon, preferably with Heatkiller Ultra block.
Glad I got an AX1600i when building my PC. The thing is a beast!
Don't OC a nvidia card by just setting a static GPU offset. Modify the boost curve, you will get better results especially when the GPU is hitting TDP limit as you can eliminate rubberbanding by adding a limit on the boost curve. I guess that's atleast one timespy extreme score I will have no issue beating at release.
Glad to see you hard at work on this.
Corsair AX1600i here powering my direct die OC'd 14900KS and 4090. Ready for the 5090! UPS is APC 2200VA/2000W. Will be fitting a waterblock for custom loop to the 5090 if I can't get one ready fitted at launch.
My UPS just goes to 800W, but it still enough for what i have, 5800x3d and 4800S, 6 HDD, 2 SDD, 2 NVME, PCIe 4x Sata expansion card, 6 fans, watercooled cpu, 1000w Corsair. 2 monitores, 1 DAC, several usb devices, i had to add an usb3 hub with 16 ports , because of sim race gear. My main concern is when working, i don´t need the devices turn on, last year lost electricity in my building for 20 minutes, and the UPS could power my machine, at least enough time to save my work.
Hi Jay, another video idea, could you put a power limit on the card of 80% and 90% and see what the power usage is and how much performance is lost and if its worth it?
Two takeaways from this fantastic review is that the 5090 isn't a true "4k card" if it can't maintain a 60fps without dropping with the 5% and 1% lows. And even with the performance uplift over the 4090, this card isn't enough to bottleneck a high end cpu like 9800x3D. This means that the 60 series i.e 6090 in the future will be the true "4k card" Take what you will with that.
This is the passionate nerding out experimenting Jay I have come to love!
Really looking forward to seeing you do a SFF build with the 5090. Been a MacBook user for ages, need some serious power as I’ve taken an interest into unreal engine, virtual production etc. want to try out ray tracing etc! If you can make a SFF build work well with the 5090 I’m going to be sooo happy!
6090 requirement = ac unit next to
Open case,
I wish MSI Afterburner had a function that lets you use auto fan, but add i.e. 10% rpm. That way the fans will still go down when not needed, but will run faster than standard.
Ok but what about undervolting and slightly lowering the power limit/target? I feel like we'll still get 20-25% more performance than the 4090 while consuming less. Doesn't fit the narrative though :(
That's the point!---->
Card FPS Power dFPS dPower
RTX 5090 Stock 133fps 575W 0%fps 0%
2.7GHz @ 960mV 133fps 485W 0%fps -16% W
2.5GHz @ 900mV 125fps 405W -6%fps -30% W
2.3GHz @ 875mV 117fps 356W -12%fps -38% W
RTX 4090 Stock 97fps 415W
@14:00 Is that graph correct? I would think the OC run would have the temps higher, not lower. Is it because the fans are running 100% while OC'd?
Its probably his custom fan curve.
I'd be more interesting in how the GPE performs when lowering the power target and/or undervolting. Iirc the 4090 could be run with like 80% power target and barely lose any performance at all. If the 5090 performs similar, that'd be a huge thing to consider for a GPU that otherwise eats up 575W!
13:00 you’re limited to 1600 Watt power supplies on 120V bc 15A x 120V = 1,800W. 120V x 20A = 2,400W. Circuits are typically calculated at 80%, so 1440W & 1920W respectively. You’d want a dedicated 20A circuit to run a 1600W PS.
If you run 2 power supplies, they’ll have to be on two separate / their own circuits.
My Strix 3080 12GB OC (W/+125/+300 OC) to Astral 5090 32GB OC (W/+275/+1000 OC) switch is going to be incredible! We'll see if my 1000G will hold up.
Ideas for videos:
Undervolting the card to reduce heat and power draw for those of us that live in 40 degree heat.
AI generation and token generation speed, Stable Diffusion, generation, inpainting, image style changing.
It's getting to the point where you need a dedicated power supply just for the graphics card.
Thanks for the video Jay.
Glad I got into Adaxum during the presale. The project has some promising elements.
Also, I'm not sure why people keep making jokes about the 6090 and heat. The 5090 is a 4 nm mode while 4090 is 5 nm, so it's unsurprising to seem them throwing more power at it to try to make it look better. The 6090 is going to use a more advanced process, so the gains in performance are going to be higher.
The Be Quiet dark power pro 1300 has two 12v ports and that's why I bought it. I was banking on having cards come out with 2 plugs.
Thinking back, that thing uses the same power draw as old high end SLI setups and costs what the old quad SLI would with 4 graphics cards. 😂 Totally recommend for a gamer on a budget 👍🏼
I run temperature sensors beside my 4090's power plug and I've seen them reach 58C, that's not overclocked and I was running a game that wasn't particularly resource intensive. The temperature sensors probably aren't as accurate as a thermal camera as the sensors sit a couple mm from the connector so really they're measuring the air around the plug rather than the plug itself, and the air is not going to be as warm as the plug itself. Still - they get surprisingly warm. I'm definitely going to keep my ears open to see if melting 5090s becomes a thing!
the US needs to invest into going with 220/240v
Until CPUs come out that push the 5090's performance more, I'm thinking there is very little use case for overclocking the 5090. But of course if someone can afford this kind of PC setup, I'm fine with them doing whatever.
Great. My next build is going to need a dedicated breaker.
Is it just me, or is the chart at timestamp 00:14:46 not following what Jay is saying?
Hope you are feeling better!
I enjoyed it more when you showed the process of getting those numbers for the first 19 min the last 5 min are the best part of this video.
Why in the temperature graph at 15:00 is colder with oc?
Just wire a dedicated 240v wall plug to your PC room. Also keep a fire extinguisher handy
20:20 , "this single 5090 is higher than 2 X 3090 Ti cooled by liquid nitrogen".. Man I dont wanna upgrade from 3090 but WTF is that Jay ?
First thing i do my 5090 arrives - lower the powerlimit lol. Nobody needs a heater in the gaming room, especially in summer. Overclocking is nonesense!
I have a breaker for my AC, one for my oven, one for my dryer, and now I'm going to need one for my PC.
Strong start to the new Year guys very impressive, ,can't wait to see 9000 series GPUs . ❤❤😂😂