Medieval war lance: Can I make and successfully use a heavy medieval lance?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Jason attempts to make a heavy medieval lance out of ash and use it on horseback.
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I love his face when he hits stuff from horseback. At first he seems like a nice guy teaching stuff and then you watch the slow motion and see his murder face. Brilliant!
here is a life lesson for you, *EVERYONE* has a murder face, be they pacifist or murderer and everything in between. The only difference is what it takes to make them show the murder face and how much damage is done while showing it.
@@Colonel_Overkill Nice theory you have there. Did you know that the most dead combatans found on medieval battlefields were killed from behind via strike to the head, from above? They broke formation and fleed in panic after getting charged by knights (heavy cavalery), just to get slaughtered on the retreat. They were peasents pressed to fight, getting attacked by professional killers - fearless, trained from childhood and armed to the teeth.
Not everyone has a murderface - most people do not.
@17:02 👌🤣🤙
@@TheAlwaysPrepared care to cite some sources? Personally I don't think that "peasants" were particularly not-tough seeing as they toiled and labored much more than the average person now and the toughest men I've ever met (even when I was an Infantryman) were corn-fed, farmer strong, modern-day peasants. So I'll again ask, where can I read about these scardey cats who were mowed down from behind while they ran away pissing themselves?
@@shinobi-no-bueno Your instincts are correct sir. The professionalisation of swiss peasant militias into the legendary mercenaries that were able to withstand heavy cavalary charges ended the undisputed reign of the mounted knight on the battlefield. The Infantry revolution in the late middle age/early renaissance is a good starting point, if you want to read up on the topic. The history of the swiss mercenaries and german landsknechts are a cool part of it too. Sources are numerous throughout the internet and a respectable amount of sholars have written about it. Google and youtube are your friend.
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Milord
I WILL DRINK FROM YOUR SKULL
LESS TALKIN' MORE RAIDING
You: Some fun educational content
Talos: WANT TO FIGHT!! WANT TO DESTROY OUR ENEMIES!!!
Talos: DEUS VULT KINGSLEY!!! COMMMONNNN!
"Goodboy, talos."
Talo
Talos is a good hors he may joine the imperium legion
“If you want to kill somebody, use an ash lance”
I’m taking notes 🤔
Usa an axe
From horseback? Yes, but you have to get close!
@@ModernKnight Yes but a Lance is useless after a charge so better have both.
@@ModernKnight OK, I will the lawyer of that killed guy.
@@Someone-hs5yb A sidearm is always carried by shock cavalry.
The Horse is terrifying, Talos seems to really enjoy smashing things.
Mostly he looks bored with standing around. Scraping the ground with his front hoof is a signal that he wants to run.
@@shawnhtpc2271 yup, hes bored. If you want terrifying imagine that many knew to kick and bite anyone that wasn't their mount and their groom, others were trained to capriole, ballotade and other moves now considered haute ecole.
Just like his namesake
It is just a horse.
Ninjaananas A horse is an animal (and a beautiful one at that), and animals have behavioural patterns and feelings also.
In Polish history we have a period when cavarly was using 20 feet lances. At begining those was made by spiting wood in two parts and hollow it. Those two parts are glued together after dried. Wood loose weight by moisture from inside faster that way. In next years technique and material was different. Husarl lances was made of aspen wood, it was hollowed in the center from the tip to the knob in order to reduce the weight. The hussar's lance was the longest polearm ever used by any cavalry. It was 4.5-5.5 m long (sometimes even 6.2 m). A 2.5 m long pennant was attached to it. Such dimensions are masked the posture of the hussar during the charge (the flowing material was then touching the horse's ears). After a lance broke in enemy formation material was still atached to unwieldy metal spike in someones body. This works like a web with harpoon. Five original Hussar lanced have survived to our times: three at the Museum in Kórnik, one at the District Museum in Tarnów (with the original pennant) and one at the Wawel armory.
Thank you for this :)
Wow, that is fascinating. I wish I’d know about this when I visited Krakow, I would have loved to see that lance! Z Bogem!
Lol, the horse is like LESS TALKY MORE JOUSTY.
It's mentioned in period documents that jousting horses were generally high strung, but enjoyed jousting. I've seen modern jousting horses that are the same way. I've never found any reference to how horses feel about actual warfare. At a joust, the lances would be provided by who ever was hosting the joust (to keep it equal). In warfare, the knight would be expected to have his own lances in his baggage. However, spears, pole-arms, and arrows were supplied to the soldiers. I've seen lances that have flutes running along the length, but I suspect these are not war lances. Anyone have an idea?
I knew it would be Talos just from that comment xD
@@andrewgillis3073 the flutes would reduce weight but make it weaker, but sometimes having a lance hit a farther distance away but break is preferred to getting 2-4 feet closer so its possible that both could have, the winged hussars had hollowed lances so...
@@blackdeath4eternity period paintings show war lances on the ground broken, so you may be right. I’ve always wondered what the knights did with their lances once they stuck someone…
I love how Talos got credit for his great performance!
Talos look like he was enjoying doing it.
@@steamboatmodel When he was pawing at the ground, I could imagine him saying, "Come on, hoomin, I want to run!"
is that how horses clap?
@@tristankeech4070
That's a horse's way to tell their rider that they want to run. Think of it as their equivalent to a human tapping their toe with their arms crossed.
It's a custom of this channel that any horses which appear are named at the top of the credits.
"Lances and spears have a sharp end and a blunt end."
*scribbling furiously*
17:40 doesn't make sense though. A lance is not a projectile by itself, but anchored to the rider who is anchored to the horse. The weight of the lance is thus insignificant compared to the total weight of the package that is imparting momentum. What COULD matter is how much bend the lance has to it, as the stiffer it is, the more abruptly it will deliver the force whereas a flexible one will act like a spring to deliver it over a longer period of time thus softening the impact.
That's partially correct. However, weight also plays an important part in the whole system. Eventually, the horse and rider will become injured and/or fatigued. Also, heavier things hit harder on average.
@@BoopSnoot throw a stone at someone and then throw a brick at them and ask what hurts more
You let go of the Lance on impact
@@andymcevoy3109 now attach either the stone or the brick to the front of a bus, and run the bus into them. that's going to hurt more. Horse and rider combined are 1000lbs or so.
@@BoopSnoot your body is springy and can only put in so much rigid force. Also you either stop dead or pass through and the weight of the lance is essentially the main factor in that.
I love explorational history, find out how things could have been done, simply by trying it yourself, if anything it helps you learn something new
Same! 😁 Especially the shows see on building what was used (few I watched were Pharoah's Chariots, Noah's Ark, Ect.)
I carve stone using primative tools to test how my Norse ancestors did their boat art rock carvings those thousands of years ago.
Quite useless unless he trains 6 hours a days a week. It seems "too heavy" because he's not a professional knight!
I train 2 hours a day on average, and ride for about 10 hours a week. It was not too heavy, it heavier than I am used to. Medieval knights did not train that often, surprisingly, according to the records we have.
@@ModernKnight Modern Man can't imagine....climbing flights of stairs a few dozen times a day , walking uphill for miles, often carrying heavy loads, walking miles in general, drawing and carrying buckets of water every morning from the well for the whole household, etc, things a page did as routine....chopping firewood, carrying the whole lot, you get the picture....😁
I have two young sons interested in the medieval world, and have been using this channel to make what they read "come to life". Even a longer form video like this held their attention to the end. Well done, to the whole team involved in creating this series!
ETA: During the use of the hand plane, my six year old said "Wow! I thought those were extinct!" He now wants to investigate the use of hand tools. Excellent!
MotherOfMany _
An Aussie named Neil Paskin has a woodworking and smithing (and a bit of crafting in general) called “Pask Makes”, where he uses a mix of hand tools and power tools (he even sells T-shirts and sweaters with a picture of a hand plane and the text “Hand tools are cool”.
@@ragnkja I checked out the channel based on your recommendation and subscribed. Thanks!
MotherOfMany _
The things he’s able to do with scrapwood (admittedly high-quality scraps, but still scraps) are amazing.
If you have 2 young sons tell them Jason is also the co-owner of Games company Rebellion and created the games Sniper Elite and Alien vs Predator.This will make the channel even spicier for them.
Hand tool woodwork? Check out Paul Sellers here on RUclips. :)
Thalos beating his hoof on the ground was very cinematic.
MegaKossak cinematic is not real
In relation to your "Favourite lance" comment.
When I did archery, I had my favourite bow. I have my favourite rugby boots, and I even have my favourite fork haha
I don't doubt medieval people had their favourite objects too!
I guess the difference i that lances are usually more expendable. Not because they were cheap or easy to make, but just because they tend to break in battle. So I guess you could rather compare a favourite lance to something along the lines of a favourite arrow, a favourite nail, fuse, bike helmet or light bulb.
I want to agree with you, but I would imagine lances broke regularly... I see having a favorite Lance less like a favorite bow and more like a favorite arrow, which is possible but less likely
0:05 That entrance. That smile. Only 5 seconds and I'm already smiling from ear to ear. :D
PS: And Talos gets the first mention in the credits, classy!
Jason really is likeable.
17:37 Lol, "cmon lets goooo, stop talking! hit him again!"
Hahaha yeah!
Talos is awesome!
Khorney
“Standing around is boring!”
talos is like me
born in the wrong century
goethe
You seriously would want to born back in those times? More than likely you would have been a peasant which would have sucked.
@@StinkyGreenBud Most of our ancestors were peasants, warriors etc..
basically wh 40 k
its like we are in a civ game
no one seems to notice that the wonderful horse got a real meaningful name, from a seriously famous writer- and it´s a Very well thought out name apparently ;) Love the episodes!
@Apollo Sun *smacks lips*
What a shame.
Carpentry was my great grandfathers trade, my grandfather's hobby, my fathers hobby, and my hobby. Your technique with the plane and shaping is FINE. Afterall you're making a weapon not an art piece. Utility over perfection.
Just an idea! I worked in the wooden yacht building business for a few years and a lance looks a lot like a spar to me. A lot of wooden spar making techniques have not changed for hundreds of years. Maybe talk to a few boat builders. As your in the UK maybe talk to Butler and Co. In Cornwall. I would be surprised if you did not learn some very old techniques.
Great idea ! Maybe someone who makes long oars can be of help also . The ancient makers of oars for rowed vessels such as Greek Triremes and Norse Longships must have been great woodcrafters in their era . To my knowledge there are no historical recreators of ancient Greek ships , but I've seen recreators of Norse vessels on the internet . Also there are recreators of American history who build Native American Teepees , the traditional lumber used to erect teepees is Lodgepole Pine , native to the Western United States and Canada . In my area , South Carolina , North Carolina , and Georgia , we have a tall and straight species of pine called Loblolly , once used as masts and spars on sailing vessels . Tall pines are also grown in Maine and were highly valued in the marine industry .
@@victorwaddell6530 recreations of Greek and Roman triremes have been done... Dont have a source off hand but a simple Google search will demonstrate.
@@Badnercalabrese Thanks , Ill give a look .
@@victorwaddell6530 The jason voyage by tim severin is one of the better recreation of a ancient Greek ships voyage.
@@SuperFunkmachine Thanks !
You need a spoke plane , which was used in those times . A two handed blade ,with a slight curve specifically for spokes on a wheel or any round timber . Hope this helps
This and split length of wood instead of sawed one if that is available. Having the grain run perfectly straight makes it stronger, you can remove more stuff and make it a lot lighter while maintaining stiffness and strength.
I'm pretty sure they used splitting to manufacture war lances and spears and what you have in them old times. Bit wasteful on material but splitting is fast, suitable for high volume production and damn good technique for manufacturing damn fine shafts.
Ye, I am a carpenter.
Well, Polish so called "Winged Hussars" used lances about 20 feet (over 6m) long :) But they were drilled inside to reduce weight.
That was my first thought when Mr. Kingsley talked about the length of lances and their disappearance in the 15th century.
You know, it's nice to see Talos having just as much fun as Jason seems to be. These videos are just as delightful as they are informative
If you look into the physics of a good lance strike from a heavy warhorse you are talking near a ton moving at quite a good turn of speed focused on a very small tip and you have a huge amount of focused energy. It then becomes easy to see how incredibly deadly a Mounted Man at Arms really was.
"What about pointed sticks?"
*Monty Python*
Shut up!
@@eldorados_lost_searcher
Bananas?
@@hashtag415
Best solution is to drop a five ton weight on your assailant, then eat the banana. Thus disarming him.
@@eldorados_lost_searcher
Or release the tiger.
16!
"you're alright, boy.."
"Goo' boy.."
Mashing L3
The lance rest I imagine helps immensly with the weight management
I read an explanation of the technique many years ago.
The lance is only lowered at the last minute before the impact and at this point it engaged with the rest and the lance is ready to cause your opponent a significant emotional event.
None of the galloping across the field with lowered Lances we saw in films.
@Sandcastle • There are some very late and very specific types of lance rests/cradles that were used exclusively for tournament in things like the gestech, but the lance rest itself was developed a lot earlier for and had great impact (pun intended) on the battlefield, potentially even driving some very specific changes in armor design as a result of the more potent lance strikes.
@Sandcastle • Many surviving lance rests are hinged or simply pinned in place for that very reason, so they can be easily removed or at least flipped up out of the way.
Having used arrets extensively, the arret makes the tip of the lance flex, not a lot, but enough to just miss, especially when you need to hit visionslits it will become less accurate.
You only really lay it on the in the 5 or so 100th of a second of hitting.
Also it will tire your arm by constricting blood flow if you would lay it in.
Now you do set the lance there, but you don't rest it, subtle distinction.
Also fencing with lamces is a real thing, and if you point from the get go you will lose that dramatically much more
Woodworking is the most relaxing work. And that fantastic smell that the wood give off is amazing.
and i believe your feeling of running that lance like a train.
saladdin is said to have commented
"a frank on his horse can run down the walls of babylon" once. (they called all europeans "franks" back than, the crusades are known as "frankish invasions")
MrSven3000
Frankish (medieval French) was the, well, _Lingua Franca_ of the Knights Templar if I’m not mistaken.
@V R Richard the Lionheart was basically 100% french and only visited England a handful of times. Though a lot of this soldiers were from England and a the vast majority of the funding from the crusades was also from England as he didn't want to weaken his french holdings.
I believe that Byzantine princess and historian Anna Komnenos said something similar.
V R Richard was more a Frenchman than an Englishman and also so not surprising really as French was much popular and of more importance back then compared to English. But English has basically taken over the world now though.
Talos just looks like a warhorse. And he's not afraid of anything. He wants to keep going. He's an amazing animal.
He's superb to ride too.
That was one hell of a strike on the eye slit, ruin anyone's day that would.
Fun fact - hussars lances (called kopia) were drilled empty inside to cut the weight. And to further help with holding it the end was tied to the saddle at the end using a leather strap. So that the hussar could use just 1 hand as a pivot point, and most of the weight was supported by the saddle.
I wish The History Channel would air shows like this instead of shows about some pawn shop guys searching for alien ghosts on a ranch or whatever bullcrap they're showing now.
Don’t forget looking in a hole for something that doesn’t exist
Watching the slow motion of Talos is breathtaking. Such a beautiful animal. That massive horse with that heavy Lance is a dang train!
imagine being hit by a pointy stick at full speed
it must have been such a terrifying thing back then, no wonder they were often used as shock troops in wars
Thanks for making this video and other videos like it!
Very few of us who are interested in this also have the option to try it for ourselves.
You are doing an awful lot of interested people a really solid favour. I struggle for words to describe how much i respect that. Thank you very much!
I absolutely LOVE how excited he gets over this stuff.
The emoji face with your comment has got me in stitches.
@@ZedF86 : It's something to do with Roblox I believe.
Great to see some of the work "behind the scenes" so to speak, in the crafting of the lance. It was so cute when Talos wanted to do more! He really want's to be a RUclips star!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your whole damn series is cathartic, sir! Always very interesting and enjoyable to watch👌
thanks. They're fun to make too.
Jason, I applaud that you ask yourself and the audience many hypothetical questions throughout your presentations.
It really gets the mind geared to thinking in a medieval mindset so one might better live this history. Cheers!
Would you be interested in doing a collaborative video? I love your work, particularly your emphasis on the practical aspects of living in the medieval period. I am actually drying some large rushes right now to make rush lights later. Perhaps we could do a two part series on some practical aspect of medieval life or something of the kind. In any case, thank you for posting such excellent material. JB
Great idea but he's already done rush lights , check out his previous vlogs
Ha, nice you saw the post.
Talos looks SO DAMN HAPPY! X3 It made my heart well to see him enjoying it.
I must confess, in the slow motion bits, I found myself watching Talos instead of the lance. He's a good boy.
I've held a heavy war lance, at a museum, and when you see a person who knows how to use it and has the strength and training, at a distance, on film, it looks fairly manageable. And then you go and hold one yourself and it's all gritting teeth and straining backwards and quick take the picture now before I drop it. It's a bloody heavy bit of wood.
Sir, you're a knight and a gentleman. Thanks for teaching us about this.
Any time!
Those were unearthly hits!
I can see them being used on the battlefield, although reserved for the more experience knights and riders.
I cannot imagine the wear and tear this kind of weapons had on the warriors of old.
Excellent video :-) ...
The tapering of the lance is very much in line with the taper of a Warbow limb, which makes sense as both need to have the stress distributed evenly (to maximise the strength) without excessive tip mass. Obviously the lance is a scaled up version. A warbow tip is typically 1/2" diameter (where it enters the horn nock) and the working limb length is about 3.5' so if we scale that up by a factor of 3.4 to get 12' it would give a tip diameter of 1.7" which seems reasonable
that's an interesting thought.
I believe this is the first video I have seen Talos’ eyes as his mane was tucked under one side of the bridle. I bet Talos could see where he was going better, too.
This is a quality video channel. Thank you.
Talos, such a beautiful horse. I would feel invincible riding him into battle. Ah, but to dream, the lance on the other hand seem huge many years of training. Great video!
Sounds like making a lance from some kinds of wood can be a real pain in the ash. 😀
Don't forget your coat on the way out...
I'm sure the tree isn't too happy about it either
I don't see anything you're doing when you replay the strike in slow motion. I can't take my eyes off Talos. Amazing
Talos is becomming a more and more gorgeous stud! Loved how much fun he had with practive. Cheers!
I always go right to the power tools when making anything so I was looking at that 12 foot piece of ash thinking that looks like a power tool job right there, but actually this has opened my eyes to being able to do with traditional hand tools. This is great.
This has to be the best channel on RUclips. I’m just enthralled
"Take a lance that is as heavy as you can manage". Makes a lot of sense as that's also my mantra when selecting a bowling ball to bowl with.
If you make more lances, you might want to invest in a good draw knife, a spoke shave and a rasp - much better tools for rounding wood. Also the people who made lances probably used some form of shaving horse or coopers bench to clamp the wood down, by holding a foot pedal down with a foot and releasing to slide the stave along as you shape it. There are a lot of good videos on you tube for how to make one. I have a lot of bow making videos that show how bowyers rounded longbows.
SeadartVSG
A shaving horse allows you to reposition the workpiece a lot more quickly than most modern clamps do, since all you need to do to release it is relax your legs.
The advantage of using a plane though is that it very accurately controls the depth of cut, so it's trivial to take off small, consistent quantities of wood, which would take a lot more concentration and skill to do with a drawknife. A drawknife also limits cutting to about an arm's length at a time, whereas you can walk a plane along the whole Lance in one go, if you need to. I think the plane is a good choice, but bearing in mind how long a lance is and so how long any undulations could be, I think he could do with a longer plane.
A spokeshave also has a well defined cutting surface set up like a plane, but is designed to work on curved surfaces, and you simply move with your back facing the point of the wood, just as you would with a plane facing the tip; the arms length argument doesn't apply. The draw knife lets you remove wood quickly to get the rounded shape. Planes are meant for "planar" surfaces and cutting a small ridge, instead of a wider flat surface causes the plane blade to come out of alignment with hard woods like ash . You can get around this with a very large expensive and well made plane. A spokeshave costs about $30, and you can make one for much less.
@@SeadartVSG Fair enough, a drawknife would handle the rough rounding perfectly well and I wouldn't argue that a spokeshave wouldn't do the job either, but a plane will naturally flatten unevenness in the surface, unlike the shave and there are whole families of plane designed for mouldings and working curved surfaces, so the lance's roundness is no problem at all - there're a lot of different ways to approach the problem. If you're jousting though, I think the one consideration you don't have to worry about is cost, since it's never been a cheap pursuit.
@vin 950 I agree with comments about the drawknife. When I started out I had to be extremely careful not to pull up too much wood. Having used one on lots of items now, it's becoming more automatic about controlling the blade, I don't think I've made a fatal mistake for a long time, and it's very hard to make a mistake with the spokeshave. I've started shaping bows with a swedish hand axe to rough out the form, and with practice they become very efficient. I suspect the lance makers of the middle ages probably could pretty well shape a lance with a good sharp hand axe - and a pair of pinch calipers. I'm pretty sure large cross sections of "milled wood" could be made in the middle ages by axes, they also had saw pits. I would think a lance made out of ash would start out being close to the diameter that is used.
With regards to tools, originally it would have been done with a drawknife and a shave horse. A plane does work, but it does take more time. A shave horse would make for an interesting project in an of itself.
Heres some info for the name talos:
Talos was a giant atomaton made out of bronze to protect europa in Crete from pirates and invaders. He circled the island's shores three times daily.
Thats what Wikipedia says. So heres some more:
Talos also means sun. He was built by greek god hephaestus.
Man, what a great name to give to your horse!!
I am a handtool woodworker, and your technique is good. That's the wonderful thing about a traditional hand plane -- the tool will talk to you as you work with it. For a #4 like yours, some prefer 3 fingers on the tote with the index finger extended, but that is a matter of personal preference.
That was a hell of a first shot. Right in the eye socket.
Marvelous. Taking note that lances of different woods handle and strike quite differently is a detail few would consider. I like that you're including Talos training in your vids.... horses are individuals every bit as much as people, and have their own notions. I noticed Talos sniffing the lance-butt curiously before your run, reminded me of my old Palomino quarter horse and any new accessory I brought around.
I wish the world had more people like you. Thank you so much for this content!
our pleasure.
Amazing!!! Love learning all this!
Talos is definitely into it! Great job guys!! It’s fun to see the training of the horses progress! I really admire your “roll up the sleeves and figure out how things got done.
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The part about different lances having slight variations in feeling relates very well to how modern musicians get used to perform on many different instruments (especially guitarists and drummer), which is as valuable a skill as the rest of the musical know-how because it allows to adapt to circumstances.
Etienne Vezina
Not to mention pianists and organists, who generally have to use whatever instrument is in the place they’re performing.
@@ragnkja Yeah, it gets even worst because of tuning issues on pianos!
I feel like a huge nerd watching your videos, I love it!!
Fantastic demonstration.
3 cheers for Talos. Good to see him outdoors.
Good to see lances getting some love!! They always get forgotten about compared to swords even though they were probably the primary weapon of the knight
Spears and polearms, including lances were the primary weapons of both foot troops and cavalry, the sword was just a side arm and status symbol for the most part. Even Samuri used bows and spears in combat as the many weapons until the sword became a symbol if their class. Evem then they were trained just as much in spear use and archery as in sword use.
The Ancient Roman Empire though.. they use short gladius sword instead of pilla spear. Make me wonder why. And what about maces, axes and flail?
@@benayakeenanhutagalung9798 Roman spears were absolutely common and vital to Roman tactics and techniques. Not sure where you got the idea that they didn't use them. Romans layered different types of soldiers with different types of weapons to create a battle line that was much harder to penetrate.
I like history about medieval times. i have watched many of your videos i like the ones about food from old English cooking it looks great.
Talos really likes that, It goes to show how much the horses are individuals and how their personal attitude affects learning,
Would leaning forward into the thrust and stirrups transfer more energy into the lance or would that just make it harder on you, presumably you have to work out what your body's capabilities are and don't want to transfer so much of Talos' momentum through you that you damage something.
I should imagine getting hit square with that it wouldn't matter how good your armour was, it would simply break your neck!
I watched some jousting recently, and your theory was correct when a lance hits a round shaped helmet it just slipped off rather than an impact, very interesting knowledge, Thank you!
Would be good to see it used on the gel body models you can get. I bet that would cause massive damage. Another great video can't wait to see it finished. I also agree I imagine they did have their favourite weapons. Most probably lucky once as well 👍👍
it would probably impale the model. the force behind that lance is absolutely MASSIVE, and all concentrated in that tiny spot that is the tip. a human with no protection has absolutely no chance at surviving.
Perhaps an old cuirass or some sheet steel could be strapped to it?
@@avocato1135 I'd be very curious to see how an armour withstood that impact!
Hello Jason. In trimming down the shaft of the lance, you may want to look for a spokeshave It's like a drawknife, but the blade is curved. They had the same effect as the cabinet plane you have in the video, but make a round shave off the length. Remember that everywhere there is a break in the shaving, will be a weak point. The smoother you make the lance, it will literally be stronger over all. You also would make your life easier if you made up a specialty shaving horse that has a foot grip that holds the wood while you are working with a tool on it. It will free up your hands, without sacrificing time.
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Talos wishes for WAR!
Very interesting and you put loads of hard and meticulous work to prepare each video. Thank you sir
Thank you very much!
Yay Talos!!
All, Hail Talos! Conditioning will take care of the weight of the lance. Or it would in the period. You wouldn't expect a longbowman to draw 150 lbs in one day, nor should you expect a horseman to carry a heavy lance. Anyone know if there has there been any bone/skeletal studies done on the remains of knights as I have seen on archers?
@AimlessWanderer I still can't remember where I saw it, but I watched something where they excavated a battlefield. Every archer was lopsided. Some looked deformed. Bones and muscle attachment points on bones were massively thicker on the parts doing the work. The person leading the dig said that thousands of increasingly difficult repetitions shaped the men into the form he found.
Ah yes the heavy lance, was waiting for this video and here it is!
After watching many of your lancing videos, I have to say that visually, this 12 foot lance very clearly delivers the strongest, most lethal-appearing hit on the target. I would not want to be on the wrong end of that lance!
Learning is indeed about doing. Great video! I've been curious about lance making for a long time. JB
I love woodworking and planing wood and fresh wood shavings is wonderfully relaxing. For the task at hand the plane you used seemed pretty spot on. This could bring up a whole new segment on medieval woodworking and how carpenters and knights may have interacted. The carpenters making the lances may have felt some pride if a lance they made didn't break in battle. What expectations they had of lances is just conjecture on my part.
Heavy lance otherwise known as the "skull breaker " a common term used by the saracens.
Try making one out of Linden. It’s soft, lightweight, and has a higher modulus of elasticity (stiffer) than Ash, and higher crushing strength than Poplar.
talos is a really beautiful creature, so strong and muscular and elegant!
And enthusiastic!
A millionaire with calouses. After all these years watching Sir Jason and I am still amazed of how down to earth he is.
Talos: LESS TALK MORE RUN
I wonder if the weight of Talos transfers into the impact as well. Since he has quite a bit more weight than Warlord, I would imagine it would feel very different to joust on him. Though, I'm sure you've done a fair amount of practice on Talos, too.
Lovely video. Thank you for sharing. 🙏
Talos looks so chubby and well-behaved but give him a taste of action and he wants *moar*.
I guess the lance was made from whole sprout of ash, (trunk of young tree), which is naturally shaped conically (thinner tip than base), and it is also stronger since the fibers of wood are not interupted by saw anywhere. The same reason as why masts of sailships and throwing arms of trebuhets were made from single uninterupted trunk of a tree.
When I was young in my vilage, I made a 5-6m long pike from whole young ash sprout and it was quite managable despite my young age.
I can't imagine the force you have to push against, when you hit an enemy body in armor at full speed... Both of you, which means twice the speed!
Knights avoided fighting against plated infantry (knights) for that very reason. They went for archers, peasant mobs and side or backcharges to regular infantry in chain armour max. No need to waste your life when you could have done a thousand things more helpful.
In Howard Pyle's King Arthur books, the knights shatter their lances approx. 66% of the time (shatter on the 1st and 2nd passes, then dismount their opponent on the 3rd pass). As a kid (and even today), I wondered who was crafting all those lances. Carpenters? Builders? Bowyers? General laborers? The knights themselves?
I love how Talos is in the credits
Talos is impressive :D and a funny chap. Sniffing the weird stick on your foot. C'mon let's do it again! Knock it down woo! Chaaaaarge!!
So happy there is a new video!🤩 I've only recently discovered your awesome channel, but have watched ALL the videos by now.😁 Your enthusiasm is infectious😉
Thanks!
I imagine, for knights with money, they could have found a lance they liked, and had more specially made to be very similar. A woodworker, given a little bit of extra time, could plane and sand replicas fairly easily. Balance could be within a quarter of an inch this way. With a little bit of weight added to the back, or making the metallic war tip slightly heavier, the balance point could be adjusted to be practically identical.
I love this channel. Everything seems so well thought out.
I love your work..always..the practical exploration of this and similar aspects of medieval life prods the mind every time..can only imagine getting into battle with the lance, then moving to hammers and such..and then the whole terror the horses must have experienced...and no way I’d want to receive the punch of that thing
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Talos investigating a familiar shape, but with a new smell.
Also, I'm glad to see that his training has made him significantly less excitable than he was when he started out. Hopefully he got extra carrots in addition to top billing.
The kinetic energy carried by a moving mass scales proportionally to the mass. So double the mass, double the kinetic energy. What's interesting though, is that the kinetic energy scales with the square of the velocity. So double the velocity, quadruple the kinetic energy. This is also true in the inverse. Double the mass, double the energy it takes to get to a certain velocity. Double the target velocity, quadruple the energy it takes to accelerate it to there. This seems to indicate to me that the largest lance which can be accurately thrusted just before impact would likely be the best choice for maximum chance of damage through armor, as if you can get the lance moving 25% faster, it will be identical to striking with a lance almost 40% heavier. 50% faster is identical to more than doubling the mass of the lance
I doubt they had a grasp of the physics behind it, but I'd expect an intuitive and experiential understanding. Makes the idea of using the heaviest lance manageable more meaningful.
Truly, Sir, its the Newtonic .5mv^2 story. As a digression I can tell that authorities also underestimates another medieval weapon, the crossbow, and its kinetic energy and ditto destruction potential. A heavy crossbow bolt used by a modern crossbow with ditto powerful cocking system can punch through a light kevlar west with ease. The norwegian police got a shock when this first was demonstrated to them. The much heavier bolt compared to a rifle bullet is an important factor in generating kinetic energy
I really love your videos. Great work. You have inspired me to start my own medieval channel.
Absolutely fabulous video...💪🏼 I firmly believe you could search for hours through reference material and not get the education I received from this video....not to mention entertained as well. Well Done‼️
You should try shaping it with a spokeshave next time.
I second that.
Or perhaps a drawknife for the rough shaping and then the spokeshave for the finer finishing.
For someone, who is usually not interested in all things medival at all, i really really enjoy the content here! Informative and entertaining!
Good job, good sir!
Glad you enjoyed it!