Strong correction with RUclips's monetization statement: RUclips takes a cut from your adsense earnings. I'm referring mostly to super chats and any livestream related monetization. The platform takes a cut but on average and in my experience. Expect somewhere around 70/30 in favour to the creator as an average on RUclips. Livestream related expenses are kinda muddy as far as my experience goes. A lot of things are also dependent on your own contracts with the platform. Use code "SOG" at www.gfuel.com Check out the Newest Podcast episode: ruclips.net/video/MeWqGnee0CE/видео.html
I can't wait for someone to do something with the Twitch source code and make a better version of Twitch which would finally seal the coffin for Twitch
They still allow gambling as long as some skill is involved, like poker, they just got rid of random chance games like slots. Also twitch dying is bad, it means RUclips will have a monopoly on streaming.
They only allow gambling for legit licensed establishment in the US under US laws and regulations. Gambling establishment from other countries or unregulated gambling from unlicensed like those shady international web gambling site are definitely a huge no.
I've said this time and again if RUclips would just copy Twitch's feature's with a RUclips coat of paint and made a layout page similar to Twitch's than Twitch would become an obsolete platform. RUclips even recently made an announcement that you can live stream and monitize you're stream without the need of becoming a RUclips partner they also just made a deal with smaller music label's to allow copyrighted music on the platform which is huge W's for RUclips.
A redeemable loyalty points system is the only thing that RUclips is missing when it comes to streaming (except for basic things like fixing their chat). If RUclips had that, I'd be sold if I was a streamer.
@Dante Toshiro64 I wholeheartedly disa-fucking-gree. If RUclips "owns" basically every type of video sharing and has a complete monopoly, we'll all be at the mercy of RUclips's terrible decisions. We need actual competition.
You realise that Twitch has probably has copyright and trademark protection on many of those things, right? There's probably a lot RUclips can't copy without risking a lenghty court battle.
People on twitch are a huge joke. It wasn't all the woman shaped objects using their bodies for attention that hurt this site in the end, it was taking away money. 😂 Everyone who uses that site deserves no pity, suffer more.
My biggest problem with all this is that: Even if Twitch closes down shop for good, all the admins and people who made Twitch an almost unbearable experience are just gonna be picked up by RUclips. Once RUclips now has the god awful moderators from Twitch, all the drama and bullshit stunts that we've been seeing from Twitch are just gonna be moved on to RUclips. Even though Google and Amazon are different companies, they're all basically run by the same group of people.
RUclips doesn't have admins. Moderators are chosen by the creator who's streaming. All it takes is the creator tapping your name and setting you as moderator. They have no power. Admins on twitch, afaik, are like moderators hired by the company with actual channel striking powers. Which RUclips does not have. RUclips relies on an algorithm, yeah? Not real people until there's a manual review.
why would youtube just choose to hire them? yt has been fine for a lot of years - they arent willing to fix the good, why they would hire the bad? its money lost for no benefit its weird to imagine that all bad admins will just start policing yt if twitch dies wtf
@@brunobruno-c1d idk man, judging by the gaming and film industry nowadays. The people who literally ruined franchises consistently move from studio to studio despite the bad rep they've acquired from their bullshit "leadership". You'd think that these big companies would look at who's making whatever experience a bad one and tell them "no, go away", but instead bring them in with open arms. Like I said, the companies are different, but the type of people that consistently get high ranks there are all the same people
It’s genuinely crazy to see multiple big name companies just fall into a snowball effect with problems. These past two weeks have just been wild ass drama every single day. It’s like the streamers were in their golden moment and it was peace with everyone, now it’s war with anyone who even brings your name up.
especially considering twitch is a platform that has treated most male streamers like garbage just for making one slip up, meanwhile allowing chicks who do things a thousand times worse to get basically zero punishment. I'm shocked more guys haven't left to stream on youtube instead. twitch may as well be only fans at this point.
if they did it would really piss off cover and nijisanji. the majority of the highest superchat earners on youtube are vtubers, they would take a huge loss if those companies had their talents stream elsewhere.
I think its reasonable that anyone under 18 shouldn't be able to actively stream on twitch. 13 year olds can watch their games and whatnot but it might be best to keep them from chatting or being overly active such as tipping with real money and all. Its amazing how long sites like twitch can get away without proper regulations but i guess if it takes that long for the hammer to come down you might as well make the most of it while you can
Minor correction: there is a way to report someone under 13. You search for “underage” not child. I mod for a couple streamers and we’ve had to report people for being underage
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Cool we got to see you on Steven's stream the other day. Nice to have a non-reactionary voice in the RUclips commentary big leagues. You really seem like a thoughtful and measured dude and I really appreciate that, bud :)
It should be 18 and older to be able to stream, heck I would go as far as saying you should be 18 or older to be able to upload a video anywhere on the internet.
@@madmax2069 I disagree with what you've said, but twitch specifically is basically a camgirl website. I am actually amazed to hear you can be 13 on there.
@@LOLWHATBRO you can disagree until you're blue in the face, but the way this world is and the amount of sick $&@# in the world today, that is the way it should be.
@@bouncyvenus read what I said, "to be able to stream, or to upload a video anywhere on the internet", where did I say that they shouldn't be allowed on the internet?
A new report from Cecilia D'Anastasio confirms that the current executives from Twitch are focusing on profit than creator support. It's not shocking but now we have confirmation.
Also it was pointed out elsewhere, but the forced adrolls, that break up the streams being done by streamers that don't support that mechanic and the way it works currently, is also Twitch hurting Twitch.
People are usually very lenient with BS until you see the cubs getting harmed. The harsh reality is kids are too damn naïve to know any better, and must be protected. I don't give a damn how good you are at any given game or whatever you choose to stream, if you're underage you simply shouldn't be exposing yourself to anonymous potential creeps. Then again, this can be easily tracked to parental responsibility. Companies can only do so much when stupid parents aren't actually paying attention to what their children are doing online. If you are a parent, you'll surely understand this position.
I'm a 36 years old gay man and I'm constantly forced to perform pruderie on the internet because somebody fails at parenting. Jesus christ, if your kids are going to be hurt by internet just sign them to waterpolo. Trust me: sign them up to waterpolo, i wish my parents did that.
From the way it is structured, it seems more like an Amazon investment more than an Amazon owned thing They still pay Amazon for the infrastructure and the services. Almost like an MLM
I mean not really, they've been around for a decent while..a speed run technically would be right when the company starts up..so your joke doesn't really make much sense
as someone who mainly chills out in small streams (10 or less viewers, usually unaffiliated), this means literally NOTHING to me. I like the small streamers way more. theyre more interactive, entertaining, and havent been corrupted by twitch politics yet.
Fun fact: the biggest spanish-speaking streamers already went on a strike similar to what pokimane proposed last year, but since the only streamers that matter to twitch are the US ones (because ads pay better there than anywhere else) the spanish strike became completely irrelevant. One year later when the gambling problem gets noticed by the top 10 of US twitch releases a statement within the next 3 days. :)
Oh the spanish communities on any site are always ignored, i'm not surprised The kind of crap non-english YTers get away with on a daily even on RUclips is fairly entertaining
If only people decided to use alternate, if a bit janky as they were starting out, platforms instead of making fun of them this would hardly matter as much. You crap on competition and the monopoly will crap on you. I hope this will get people to learn, but I know they won't. They never do.
Sadly, people won't go to alternative site because "far-right scary". As long as people are scared of using an alternative site, the big ones (Twitch in this case) don't have to worry about it too much. Think about it, "Twitch is finally imploding" been said for literally years, but since Twitch, and more effectively Twitter, has scared those people of streaming on the same platforms as the "bad people" they can continue to fuck around. Sure, these streamers are going to RUclips now, but haven't we seen already has god awful this site is handled for the past half decade?
Problem with alternate sites is not because "far right bad", it's because of the hassle of keeping a lot of separate accounts, the jankiness of said sites, and the inertia YT exerted on the public. Keeping more than 3 accounts just to watch your favorite content creator is not something everyone wants to do on the daily. The alternate site's jankiness is what kept many off them because it is not like YT's, and if they have no mobile app for that using the browser is a hassle being an unoptimized battery hungry workaround (example is Full30). And YT exerted a lot of influence on pop culture that nobody outside those who have an inkling of conviction towards certain topics can think outside of YT...
@@Tony_Man People do not use alternatives, because a monopoly, like twitch, is by definition hard to topple. With video platforms, it also depends on the decision of creators to switch to it to provide content. Which quite few are willing to do since they will have substantially lower view count
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Yeah, jank definitely an issue, though I have seen people get angry that they host "The bad people" - Just look how people react to Rumble or to finding out a movie they watched and liked was made by Daily Wire. Problem is that without users and viewers, they have no income to get better. People refuse to use it because it lacks certain things, and that somehow makes them forget all the issues with where they are currently. It's like "Yeah, the new one doesn't punch me in the teeth, but their house is messy and kinda smells." - Just hang out with them and help point out what needs to be cleaned up and maybe things will actually get better.
there is an underage specific report you can choose. however you have to do a search for it under the “live stream>search>underage user”. so you have to ask yourself why it’s so hidden. i’m a moderator in twitch for multiple streamers, including a leader/founder for a large stream team, i’ve been on twitch for over two years. i’ve been talking about the underage children problem for nearly that entire time. i used to hunt down and report these streams in the ASMR category for a long time. and from my experience, either twitch is putting a very tiny amount of resources toward combating this or they are relying exclusively on twitch viewers to do the work for them. because i found channels that were not just underage, but full of absolute pedophiles saying incredibly sexual things in chat, and the channel would go untouched by twitch until i reported. sometimes for days. despite being obvious just from the channel thumbnail, the streamer was extremely underage. it got so bad at one point that i realised i was spending several hours a day just reporting channels. it became overwhelming and i had to just block entire categories for my own mental health. and what was worst of all, was that once reported, it would sometimes take not just hours, but days for twitch to respond and terminate the channel. so i highly doubt twitch put any effort into the accounts posting in those chats. i understand it would be a difficult decision to go 18+ for twitch because they want to be inclusive, as well as knowing some children between 13-17 will be spending their parents money on the platform. so of course that’s revenue. but when they aren’t willing to do (pay) what’s necessary to protect children (not getting into the debate about the soft core porn that is often streamed as asmr) then they should just not allow anyone under 18. i know you can’t possibly catch everything, but it has felt for a long time, that twitch isn’t been trying. case in point, twitch streamers having to come together to create tools to help combat the hate raids when twitch did nothing, for months. i hate to talk bad about a platform i spend so much of my time on, despite not being a streamer myself, but one can’t ignore the reality. the pay issues and the issues with gambling, feel quite small by comparison, yet they are getting all the talk.
To think that the downfall of Twitch would be because of they cutting off the gambling, and not because of the big amount of pornography and favoritism... It... It is really bizarre
Their senior vice president of global creators Constance Knight just took the walk... Quit same day they made this announcement. Don't be surprised to see more upper management leave in the coming months, like rats from a sinking ship.
Twitch knows exactly what they're doing. The current big streamers who are on the 70/30 deal make more money off third party methods than ads, have enough clout to influence Twitch meta and they dominate most of Twitch's viewing hours. Forcing them off the platform allows Twitch to curate a new bunch of big streamers on contracts that force them to run more ads; take 50/50 and in future, ban them from using third party donation platforms. It's easier to control streamers when they make it big because of Twitch's hand and not because of actual great content.
I always dreaded the day Darkviper would jump ship only because of the RUclips notification system delivered (quietly and blends in with regular video notifications)
One thing that I'd say that twitch does better then youtube is the chat. Every time i go on a RUclips live stream and look at the chat its just a cluster fuck going million miles an hour and can't really read anything. Where twitches chat is a lot cleaner and a lot slower so its able to read. But if RUclips can fix the chat there's not much reason to stay on twitch. There's things that youtube needs like discoverability, having categories and dedicated live streaming tab, etc. If twitch wants to survive they need to 1. fix their shit like the moderation etc. 2. Change their ad system to be not invasive as they are right now ( that being pre-roll and back to back to back unskippable ads), Charlie has made video about it and i do agree with what he says.
Thank you, Muta for covering the p/do situation. It was gut wrenching to go through the article. Why can't p/dos just be de-platformed from any and every platform out there (and even from society itself)?
@@ultimamage3 I mean it's more like it's impossible to remove all or even a significant number of them when we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of millions of active users every day. The best that Twitch could do as a company is make it so your Twitch account is tied to you somehow, possibly via Phone number with verification. It's not fool proof nor is it a perfect solution but it's better than the current account creation situation where I can just make a brand new account with no limitations or restrictions.
While Twitch destroying itself is satisfying to see, it’s probably not a good thing overall. RUclips will have a true monopoly on video sharing and streaming services if Twitch dies.
Twitch has been lazy for so long, and it's finally catching up to them. I know a lot of good people stream there, but they deserve better at this point.
I'm still convinced that this whole situation with RUclips is a cover for what's happening with Cory. Several big creators made videos about it, as well as videos that push the limits of the ToS to see just how much they, as highly esteemed RUclips creators, can get away with, and suddenly within the same month RUclips makes a massive beneficial change to the platform.
@@SoapyBun response to who? because they dont care about cory or what he has to say. Even pewdiepie made videos complaining about how bad yt is and they still didnt respond to him...yt doesnt care
Nah, Cory case is not their concern. There are way too many people/channel affected by YT problem, but they're immediately move on. Still problematic, but not troubling enough to file lawsuit
These people are sick. They record all their interactions to use them later as ammunition. If I was a Twitch streamer I would stop talking/interacting with all other streamers.
No RUclips streaming is a 70/30 split with the streamer getting 70%. On Twitch that was for premium streamers. Instead of what everyone thought they were going to do and make the 70/30 across the whole board they brought down the premium streamers to the rest of the people. And the premium streamers have to sign a contract that's pretty rough. Having to stream a certain amount of time and keep a certain number of viewers. Now why would they stay when they can make more money and be more relaxed on RUclips?
in defense of twitch, i was streaming some DJing for friends on an unlisted stream on youtube and it would frequently get "suspended" due to copyrighted material this never happened when i switched to twitch doesn't inherently make one better or worse, but for my use case that was pretty annoying
@@vircle1863 lmao im pretty sure my friend group has not been infiltrated by MAFIAA agents it was just a yt thing, it literally did not happen on twitch and even the MAFIAA idiots have better things to do than to sue someone live streaming "their" music for 3 viewers
You say, "the ones that were there back in the day," but honestly there have been more viewers on the (relatively) recent gambling craze and the cam girl streams than there have been World of Warcaft, League, etc that were what made up a lot of the "og" viewership of twitch. The fact the fate of the company, and the current cycle of the greater web it seems, all depends on a cast of early 20 something's with the maturity level of 14-year-old schoolgirls is pretty depressing if you ask me.
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making an account for live streaming on major platforms should be 18+ IMO. kids should still be allowed to stream but at least it would require the kid to clear it with an adult first or find a way around an ID check. even that little bit of difficulty added to the process would help a lot i think. or it would maybe force kids streaming to move to its own bespoke kind of service. its just far to easy for any kid on a whim to make an account and stream and put themselves in danger.
What's really fucked up is that the companies will never willingly make the age 18 to stream. Channels that target children with toys and cartoons make waaaaay too much money to just throw away. Hopefully there is some sort of recourse that can be taken.
What blew my mind is that it was starting at 13 16 would be young but still understandable with parent permission. But 13?! You'd think they would make you confirm your age before you could stream. Idk how they would do it, but there has to be a better way than "please enter your real age here, without lying please"
I honestly HATE twitch so much, but doing DJ streams I have no choice due to copyright issues. Twitch is a lot more chill with copyrighted music and honestly, the thing I'd love to see on RUclips is what Twitch does in terms of silencing sections of your streams with copyrighted music. Please correct me if I'm wrong but YT doesn't do this, but it'd make music streamers like me flock to the platform I guarantee it.
I heard that muting sections of a video or live stream is going to be a feature available soon. Though I thought this was already a thing in RUclips's built in editor?
Honestly Twitch deserves what is coming to them, and HOPEFULLY RUclips also makes it possible to add in the possibility for chat integration into games. Most recent example I can think of is, Cult of the Lamb has it where chat users can be characters in the streamer's game, but *only* on Twitch, RUclips does not have that capability and it feels like A LOT of games do not have that feature for RUclips, only for Twitch... something that makes Twitch more feasible for "chat interaction" in games... same with channel points being used in certain games to "mess with" or "help" the streamer in them. If RUclips had that same capabilities, I think those benefits are the only thing stopping RUclips from completely demolishing Twitch. (especially since there are addons to make chat more like Twitch for RUclips now too)
in my experience, 'dying' in the context of games usually means its making way less money or its getting way less popular. afaik, their revenue is growing. and i haven't heard of their popularity dying. so it's not "dying", we just don't like what it's doing
I had no idea, I stopped going to that trash site years ago when it became all about pleasing the chat for handouts and not playing games. Streamers would spend hours with the puase screen on bullshitting with the chat, oh and all the noise from the on screen notifications, I couldn't take it. Ban children from the internet, nothing but trouble.
Good old days when small youtubers had monetization option, but then pewdiepie and those paul dudes did something stupid so YT took monetization away from very small streamers. twitch still pays for us small dudes ;D
If they were actually worried about the base cost of streaming and cataloguing those streams as VODs though, wouldn't it make more sense to just set the rate of revenure to involve a flat fee? Like the revenue is 50:50 until $30 or whatever is made and then it becomes 70:30 in the streamer's favour each stream?
I always thought 13 was far too young to be able to stream or upload videos to the internet, it should have always been 18+, or be in the company of an adult. A lot of the issue is that kids getting smartphones, if a kid is going to get a phone, they should be basic phones with no cameras or anything like that, only able to communicate with parents.
70/30 is how Valve splits each sale for all the games on Steam. It's how Valve has just made an absolute killing with selling other people's games. Plus they're privately owned so no shareholders to tell them what to do. Honestly a pretty decent business model, plus we see Valve has actually bothered to innovate with the Index and the Deck. Not that any of the other big corporations would take a page out of their book. Why innovate when you can just exploit? But eventually, people realize they're being exploited and walk out. No love lost, Twitch. RUclips is gonna dominate for better or worse.
Several years back (can't remember exactly), I tried to use Twitch but was then banned for "DMCA violations", I was accused of recording another user's Stream and then reuploading it. since Twitch was a toilet, I got an automated message and was unable to f all about it. Basically they just took the word of the troll(s) and I was sol. I went to Reddit to figure out how to possibly fix it only to find multiple threads of several hundred others who had the same issue, some were banned so many times they were now perma banned. This issue was literally only "resolved" when the trolls accidentally (or maybe intentionally and figured Twitch was so much of a toilet it would work) hit a big Twitch Streamer. I as well as many others were unbanned HOWEVER Twitch STILL sent out an automated message warning that if we did it again we would be in more trouble. Now as it was, they only unbanned people who had been flagged by the trolls they banned for false DMCAing, they took no further steps to identify more trolls or give any way to combat the issue, basically I was just lucky the trolls who DMCAed me were one of those who got caught. So just to clarify. I got banned coz a bunch of trolls were actively going on to Twitch and falsely DMCAing streams AND this happened to HUNDREDS possibly THOUSANDS of Streamers but as the trolls targeted small channels with no or only a handful of subs AND not only did they only do something once a big streamer got caught THEY ONLY took down a small fraction of these trolls AND then still didnt' lift my infraction, I was STILL considered to have broken the rules, they just unbanned me early (i want' perma banned just banned for a few weeks). So yeah I'm not suprised by any of this, I left Twitch and went to Mixer which when I DID break the rules, had a HUMAN talk to me and solve the issue and was unbanned within a few hours. Just to be clear I was banned coz I was streaming Final Fantasy VII Remake early, I dunno if tyall remember but as in Australia got it 2 weeks early as EB Games broke street day as Covid restrictions were about to shut them down and they didnt' wanna miss sales. SE then lodged fraudulent NDA take downs despite no NDA being signed and the games weren't' connected to server so we didn't even get a EULA when we started the game, in fact the only NDA was apparently posted on Twitter, which I never saw so yeah if it went to court I'd have most likely won, but hey what would I have won? Nothing, I'd have stopped nothing and would ust be out of $$$ for legal fees, though being Aussie I probs would been reimbursed so I'd still be out time and stress. So i took the L, promised not to do it again, read ToS of Mixer and confirmed had a strike on my account and moved on with my life. Interestngly Mixer had a system where all bans are effectiverly perma bans. Basically how it works is once your banned, you contact a HUMAN Moderator, they discuss what you did and make a determination, if this is first time your most likely gonna be fine unless you do real bad stuff. This means that you get a human, with human knowledge and the issue is resolved quickly and with minimal fuss, basically it's 1 billion times better then Twitch in Every single way. Mixer: Hired humans to act like humans and resolve issues. Twitch: hired a deer who blocked people coz as a they were able to understand emojis.
Low-key I probably would have raised it to 60/40 for normal streamers ... And lowered it to 60/40 for the big streamers ... Would have been a lot better recieved and it would have pushed that Overton window down a bit to reduce it to 50/50 later lel
I had, no idea about any of this and it's disturbing and messed up enough what these people are doing- but how OPEN they are about it and how common this is!? Makes me wonder about how many of these people aren't open about it and just silently being sickos with these streams. I can't process this, I don't even - why? Oh my god why? Like- how does Twitch not have mods combing through their chats more often and flagging these psychos?
What gets me with this is that I have a feeling the lower end of the age range being 13 is quite possibly determined by some countries age of consent being that low as well. Twitch, like other big companies, might be keeping it that low so as to not have issue with those other countries. I find it rather disconcerting how many countries fall into this age group for consent. I think back to when I was 13 and I don't want to think of that being the age I could be considered able to "consent" to anything serious. I personally didn't find myself being well aware and properly thoughtful of my decisions till I was at least 15-16 and even then I knew many people who were very much not ready by that age. For several of those countries the age of consent my be considered higher than their national listing of 13 thanks to laws and regulations made by local government agencies but the wider ruling still stands and not all places in a country will have such regulations by their local government agencies.
Competition is the best part of capitalism because if you make egregious mistakes constantly and your competitor doesnt you lose out but the consumers dont. The only thing that really sets twitch apart currently is the emotes and chat culture tbh
I feel like if there's no competition for yt , people will expect yt to be the best at everything , from streaming to other things , which will put pressure on them to make good decisions , also cause they don't want to end up like twitch
Absolutely wrong, do you see what youtube is currently doing in the areas that they currently have a monopoly over? They're screwing all of us over, and nobody cares enough to jump ship. Look at the like/dislike button, the ad system, algorithm, etc.
It doesn't work like that. If there is no competition then the company can do almost anything it wants. People will have no leverage because there is nowhere else to go, this giving youtube ultimate control. It happens pretty much every time
The funny part is RUclips really hasn't tried to compete in livestreaming with Twitch. They've been more focused on other things. But Twitch has worsened to the point where youtube is better by default now.
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Strong correction with RUclips's monetization statement: RUclips takes a cut from your adsense earnings. I'm referring mostly to super chats and any livestream related monetization. The platform takes a cut but on average and in my experience. Expect somewhere around 70/30 in favour to the creator as an average on RUclips. Livestream related expenses are kinda muddy as far as my experience goes. A lot of things are also dependent on your own contracts with the platform.
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Its oddly satisfying to see that big companies are finally starting to bleed
the sad part is that this is just going to lead to market consolidation, now youtube will become a streaming monopoly
This is just less competition for google. With twitch dying, google only grows stronger
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Bro, if yt wins, they will have full monopoly on video sharing
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I would feel bad for Twitchs downfall if it weren't for Twitch being a large corporation and that they did this to themselves.
I can't wait for someone to do something with the Twitch source code and make a better version of Twitch which would finally seal the coffin for Twitch
@@bumblebeegamerreal and then they'd be the large corportion that people would want dead.
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@@bumblebeegamerreal that's a nice idea, but only issue is how would they ever be able to pay for the servers lmao
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No gambling, allegations and scandals, back to a 50/50 from 70/30 split, Twitch is slowly dying and I'm here for it.
Can't wait till it's finally choked out and dies off frfr.
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The still allow gabbling just not certain kinds
They still allow gambling as long as some skill is involved, like poker, they just got rid of random chance games like slots.
Also twitch dying is bad, it means RUclips will have a monopoly on streaming.
They only allow gambling for legit licensed establishment in the US under US laws and regulations. Gambling establishment from other countries or unregulated gambling from unlicensed like those shady international web gambling site are definitely a huge no.
I've said this time and again if RUclips would just copy Twitch's feature's with a RUclips coat of paint and made a layout page similar to Twitch's than Twitch would become an obsolete platform. RUclips even recently made an announcement that you can live stream and monitize you're stream without the need of becoming a RUclips partner they also just made a deal with smaller music label's to allow copyrighted music on the platform which is huge W's for RUclips.
A redeemable loyalty points system is the only thing that RUclips is missing when it comes to streaming (except for basic things like fixing their chat). If RUclips had that, I'd be sold if I was a streamer.
Ye
@Dante Toshiro64 I wholeheartedly disa-fucking-gree. If RUclips "owns" basically every type of video sharing and has a complete monopoly, we'll all be at the mercy of RUclips's terrible decisions. We need actual competition.
i guess you are not taking into account the shadow banning youtube does
You realise that Twitch has probably has copyright and trademark protection on many of those things, right?
There's probably a lot RUclips can't copy without risking a lenghty court battle.
Twitch: Im dying and you think this is funny?
Everyone: You get what you deserve!
Thats crazyy
Get on with it! We're waiting!
People on twitch are a huge joke.
It wasn't all the woman shaped objects using their bodies for attention that hurt this site in the end, it was taking away money. 😂
Everyone who uses that site deserves no pity, suffer more.
Ok redditor
@@RoundBaguette nah, reddit trash
Minor correction: RUclips already has a 70/30 revenue split for everyone
Major correction
It’s 70/30 for supporters/subscriptions. For ads it’s 55/45, and for superchat I think it’s 50/50, but I’m not sure about the last one
@@KajtekBeary they are adding a 45/55 split for shorts as well
@@KajtekBeary nah its 70/30 for ad revenue on reg vids 44/55 for youtube shorts
@@KajtekBeary superchat is also 70/30 in the creator's favour. I have heard Pyro and a few other RUclips streamers confirm it.
I’ve never payed more attention to Twitch than right now, this shit is absolutely wild
I might be fried but I still can't give a sht about it. Watching twitch live is the biggest waste of time for any human being.
Yeah
It's also inconsequential :/
@fours04 🇬🇧 what's with sea shanties bruv
@fours04 🇬🇧 I think you're having a stroke Mr. Bot person. Go get that checked out.
i dont use twitch at all, unskippable ads that make u miss out on a LIVEstream is a no go
adblocker , idiot
My biggest problem with all this is that: Even if Twitch closes down shop for good, all the admins and people who made Twitch an almost unbearable experience are just gonna be picked up by RUclips. Once RUclips now has the god awful moderators from Twitch, all the drama and bullshit stunts that we've been seeing from Twitch are just gonna be moved on to RUclips. Even though Google and Amazon are different companies, they're all basically run by the same group of people.
That’s a good point. The people who hold real power and responsibility are often very good at moving laterally rather than down from their positions
RUclips doesn't have admins. Moderators are chosen by the creator who's streaming. All it takes is the creator tapping your name and setting you as moderator. They have no power.
Admins on twitch, afaik, are like moderators hired by the company with actual channel striking powers. Which RUclips does not have.
RUclips relies on an algorithm, yeah? Not real people until there's a manual review.
I doubt it, why would RUclips hire people they don’t need and pay them 6 figure salaries if that money can just go to keeping their business afloat.
why would youtube just choose to hire them? yt has been fine for a lot of years - they arent willing to fix the good, why they would hire the bad? its money lost for no benefit
its weird to imagine that all bad admins will just start policing yt if twitch dies wtf
@@brunobruno-c1d idk man, judging by the gaming and film industry nowadays. The people who literally ruined franchises consistently move from studio to studio despite the bad rep they've acquired from their bullshit "leadership".
You'd think that these big companies would look at who's making whatever experience a bad one and tell them "no, go away", but instead bring them in with open arms.
Like I said, the companies are different, but the type of people that consistently get high ranks there are all the same people
It’s genuinely crazy to see multiple big name companies just fall into a snowball effect with problems. These past two weeks have just been wild ass drama every single day. It’s like the streamers were in their golden moment and it was peace with everyone, now it’s war with anyone who even brings your name up.
It all changed when the gambling nation attacked…
Nothing ruin the party like late stage capitalism
I am sensing a huge migration from Twitch to RUclips Gaming in the future.
especially considering twitch is a platform that has treated most male streamers like garbage just for making one slip up, meanwhile allowing chicks who do things a thousand times worse to get basically zero punishment. I'm shocked more guys haven't left to stream on youtube instead. twitch may as well be only fans at this point.
RUclips has its own problems that make people desperately want to leave
@@CubeBag So does Twitch. It's a matter of deciding which one is the lesser evil
@@roachdoggjr1454 ew a racist
@fours04 🇬🇧 the only based comment bot
I think it would become worse if RUclips's competition dies. If there are no alternatives couldn't RUclips just lower the 70/30 to 50/50 readily?
if they did it would really piss off cover and nijisanji. the majority of the highest superchat earners on youtube are vtubers, they would take a huge loss if those companies had their talents stream elsewhere.
@@professorpenne9962 talents? I think you mean a lack of.
Not until twitch dies- then it would be a smart financial move
You know they'll do that eventually. It's not a matter of if, just when.
It certainly would make it easier for RUclips to do so.
Hiring a "deer" for a position in the company should have been a pretty good sign things were about to go south.
A deer ?
Forgot about that mess, a deer that nearly climaxed on cam because of the first ounce of power in it's live.
Deer girl going on a power trip when given a slightly higher position of power should tell you how twitch determines their moddage.
Gotta remember Twitch is in San Fran, so a lot of their choices seems to be steeped in Cali dumbassery as of late.
Bahahahaahahahahahaha this is the most true shit I have read on the internet to date
I think its reasonable that anyone under 18 shouldn't be able to actively stream on twitch. 13 year olds can watch their games and whatnot but it might be best to keep them from chatting or being overly active such as tipping with real money and all.
Its amazing how long sites like twitch can get away without proper regulations but i guess if it takes that long for the hammer to come down you might as well make the most of it while you can
Children should just be banned from the internet, they cause nothing but problems.
Twitch : Did something to hurt their own customers
Twitch : *Help me im dying*
Minor correction: there is a way to report someone under 13. You search for “underage” not child. I mod for a couple streamers and we’ve had to report people for being underage
Ummmm ACHOLOGY 🤡🤓
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*God is ONE manifesting himself as THREE;* the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! *For these three are one.*
As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him.
Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.
When you trust in God and cast your cares (worries, anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts) upon him, they will be NO MORE!
Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals!
The world is wicked, evil, and of the devil.
I too, was a wicked sinner of the world before I opened my heart to God. I am living proof of God's work and fruitfulness! He is an active God who hears the prayers of his! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous. The devil is a liar that comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy; that includes your relationship with God!
@@Call_Upon_YAH Personally I prefer Satan. Least he probably likes gay people.
@@DopeioThePhoneBoi Satan doesn't like anyone, did you read the second message?
Twitch always find some way to mess up
@fours04 🇬🇧 thats kinna crinj innit m8
@fours04 🇬🇧 Lizzy’s in a box.
If you handed twitch a million dollars they would somehow end up with 2 million paper cuts
And probably a stalking/r*pe charge or two
Cool we got to see you on Steven's stream the other day. Nice to have a non-reactionary voice in the RUclips commentary big leagues. You really seem like a thoughtful and measured dude and I really appreciate that, bud :)
I’m surprised Twitch has a minimum 13 age requirement I always assumed it was 18!
It should be 18 and older to be able to stream, heck I would go as far as saying you should be 18 or older to be able to upload a video anywhere on the internet.
@@madmax2069 I disagree with what you've said, but twitch specifically is basically a camgirl website. I am actually amazed to hear you can be 13 on there.
@@LOLWHATBRO you can disagree until you're blue in the face, but the way this world is and the amount of sick $&@# in the world today, that is the way it should be.
@@madmax2069 18 or over for twitch I understand, but for the entire Internet? Absolutely not
@@bouncyvenus read what I said, "to be able to stream, or to upload a video anywhere on the internet", where did I say that they shouldn't be allowed on the internet?
A new report from Cecilia D'Anastasio confirms that the current executives from Twitch are focusing on profit than creator support. It's not shocking but now we have confirmation.
Which is typical dumbass suit logic. If they had more creator support they'll make more money. Why do people think cornercutting works?
Amzn try to recuperate the losses from lord of the rangz
Without profit twitch ceases to exist. How's that for creator support? Y'all just need to grow up.
@@d_all_in That's not how a service provider works.
Don't be stupid, with that "grow up" tone policing bullshit.
@@d_all_in Muta spent half the video explaining how that isn't the case.
Also it was pointed out elsewhere, but the forced adrolls, that break up the streams being done by streamers that don't support that mechanic and the way it works currently, is also Twitch hurting Twitch.
Kingdom Hearts profile picture?
@@boomerangmonkey8263 that, and the name being the name of the heartless
People are usually very lenient with BS until you see the cubs getting harmed. The harsh reality is kids are too damn naïve to know any better, and must be protected. I don't give a damn how good you are at any given game or whatever you choose to stream, if you're underage you simply shouldn't be exposing yourself to anonymous potential creeps. Then again, this can be easily tracked to parental responsibility. Companies can only do so much when stupid parents aren't actually paying attention to what their children are doing online. If you are a parent, you'll surely understand this position.
Im a parent and in my opinion it is 1000% the parents responsibility
I'm a 36 years old gay man and I'm constantly forced to perform pruderie on the internet because somebody fails at parenting.
Jesus christ, if your kids are going to be hurt by internet just sign them to waterpolo.
Trust me: sign them up to waterpolo, i wish my parents did that.
@@chrism4008 children with shitty parents dont deserve to be exposed to creeps for it. Sadly a lot of kids dont have adequate parents
It baffles me how Twitch is still acting like a little startup and not the Amazon owned brand they are.
From the way it is structured, it seems more like an Amazon investment more than an Amazon owned thing
They still pay Amazon for the infrastructure and the services. Almost like an MLM
Twitch is speedrunning how fast they can ruin a company
Doubt they'll ever beat Artesian Builds' time
I mean not really, they've been around for a decent while..a speed run technically would be right when the company starts up..so your joke doesn't really make much sense
@@CerealKiller669 dude just take the joke man
@@The_Red_Scare Exactly the company that popped in my mind. Funny enough, they speedrunned their demise on twitch.
@@peopleinpain9589 he can't what a truly miserable piece of fecel matter.
Twitch banned me six months ago so I'm loving this entire soap opera! 🥂🍿
Your channel looks like your typical biased, alt-news garbage. Sounds like a Rare Twitch W 🥂🍿
as someone who mainly chills out in small streams (10 or less viewers, usually unaffiliated), this means literally NOTHING to me. I like the small streamers way more. theyre more interactive, entertaining, and havent been corrupted by twitch politics yet.
lmfao same, i watch like
Fun fact: the biggest spanish-speaking streamers already went on a strike similar to what pokimane proposed last year, but since the only streamers that matter to twitch are the US ones (because ads pay better there than anywhere else) the spanish strike became completely irrelevant.
One year later when the gambling problem gets noticed by the top 10 of US twitch releases a statement within the next 3 days.
:)
Oh the spanish communities on any site are always ignored, i'm not surprised
The kind of crap non-english YTers get away with on a daily even on RUclips is fairly entertaining
thing is nobody cares about pokimane, shes the titty streamer font of twitch
If only people decided to use alternate, if a bit janky as they were starting out, platforms instead of making fun of them this would hardly matter as much. You crap on competition and the monopoly will crap on you. I hope this will get people to learn, but I know they won't. They never do.
Sadly, people won't go to alternative site because "far-right scary". As long as people are scared of using an alternative site, the big ones (Twitch in this case) don't have to worry about it too much.
Think about it, "Twitch is finally imploding" been said for literally years, but since Twitch, and more effectively Twitter, has scared those people of streaming on the same platforms as the "bad people" they can continue to fuck around. Sure, these streamers are going to RUclips now, but haven't we seen already has god awful this site is handled for the past half decade?
Problem with alternate sites is not because "far right bad", it's because of the hassle of keeping a lot of separate accounts, the jankiness of said sites, and the inertia YT exerted on the public. Keeping more than 3 accounts just to watch your favorite content creator is not something everyone wants to do on the daily. The alternate site's jankiness is what kept many off them because it is not like YT's, and if they have no mobile app for that using the browser is a hassle being an unoptimized battery hungry workaround (example is Full30). And YT exerted a lot of influence on pop culture that nobody outside those who have an inkling of conviction towards certain topics can think outside of YT...
@@Tony_Man People do not use alternatives, because a monopoly, like twitch, is by definition hard to topple. With video platforms, it also depends on the decision of creators to switch to it to provide content. Which quite few are willing to do since they will have substantially lower view count
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Yeah, jank definitely an issue, though I have seen people get angry that they host "The bad people" - Just look how people react to Rumble or to finding out a movie they watched and liked was made by Daily Wire.
Problem is that without users and viewers, they have no income to get better. People refuse to use it because it lacks certain things, and that somehow makes them forget all the issues with where they are currently.
It's like "Yeah, the new one doesn't punch me in the teeth, but their house is messy and kinda smells." - Just hang out with them and help point out what needs to be cleaned up and maybe things will actually get better.
there is an underage specific report you can choose. however you have to do a search for it under the “live stream>search>underage user”. so you have to ask yourself why it’s so hidden. i’m a moderator in twitch for multiple streamers, including a leader/founder for a large stream team, i’ve been on twitch for over two years. i’ve been talking about the underage children problem for nearly that entire time. i used to hunt down and report these streams in the ASMR category for a long time. and from my experience, either twitch is putting a very tiny amount of resources toward combating this or they are relying exclusively on twitch viewers to do the work for them. because i found channels that were not just underage, but full of absolute pedophiles saying incredibly sexual things in chat, and the channel would go untouched by twitch until i reported. sometimes for days. despite being obvious just from the channel thumbnail, the streamer was extremely underage. it got so bad at one point that i realised i was spending several hours a day just reporting channels. it became overwhelming and i had to just block entire categories for my own mental health. and what was worst of all, was that once reported, it would sometimes take not just hours, but days for twitch to respond and terminate the channel. so i highly doubt twitch put any effort into the accounts posting in those chats. i understand it would be a difficult decision to go 18+ for twitch because they want to be inclusive, as well as knowing some children between 13-17 will be spending their parents money on the platform. so of course that’s revenue. but when they aren’t willing to do (pay) what’s necessary to protect children (not getting into the debate about the soft core porn that is often streamed as asmr) then they should just not allow anyone under 18. i know you can’t possibly catch everything, but it has felt for a long time, that twitch isn’t been trying. case in point, twitch streamers having to come together to create tools to help combat the hate raids when twitch did nothing, for months. i hate to talk bad about a platform i spend so much of my time on, despite not being a streamer myself, but one can’t ignore the reality. the pay issues and the issues with gambling, feel quite small by comparison, yet they are getting all the talk.
Good. Twitch deserves it.
And so does this place
Big bruh indeed.
Idk why twitch decided to shoot themselves with the 50/50 updates and shit bannings, they do deserve to fell off
@@B1u35ky hopefully
Not good. Yeah, twitch sucks, but what happens when youtube finally becomes a *COMPLETE* monopoly? We're all at the mercy of doodoo susan wabbajack
To think that the downfall of Twitch would be because of they cutting off the gambling, and not because of the big amount of pornography and favoritism... It... It is really bizarre
Now to see how RUclips is... not taking advantage of this at all with their streaming.
Their senior vice president of global creators Constance Knight just took the walk... Quit same day they made this announcement.
Don't be surprised to see more upper management leave in the coming months, like rats from a sinking ship.
Twitch shot a full clip into their foot, reloaded, and emptied it again over the span of a couple weeks, and I'm here for it.
Good.
Twitch knows exactly what they're doing. The current big streamers who are on the 70/30 deal make more money off third party methods than ads, have enough clout to influence Twitch meta and they dominate most of Twitch's viewing hours. Forcing them off the platform allows Twitch to curate a new bunch of big streamers on contracts that force them to run more ads; take 50/50 and in future, ban them from using third party donation platforms. It's easier to control streamers when they make it big because of Twitch's hand and not because of actual great content.
I always dreaded the day Darkviper would jump ship only because of the RUclips notification system delivered (quietly and blends in with regular video notifications)
One thing that I'd say that twitch does better then youtube is the chat.
Every time i go on a RUclips live stream and look at the chat its just a cluster fuck going million miles an hour and can't really read anything.
Where twitches chat is a lot cleaner and a lot slower so its able to read. But if RUclips can fix the chat there's not much reason to stay on twitch.
There's things that youtube needs like discoverability, having categories and dedicated live streaming tab, etc.
If twitch wants to survive they need to 1. fix their shit like the moderation etc. 2. Change their ad system to be not invasive as they are right now ( that being pre-roll and back to back to back unskippable ads), Charlie has made video about it and i do agree with what he says.
Thank you, Muta for covering the p/do situation. It was gut wrenching to go through the article. Why can't p/dos just be de-platformed from any and every platform out there (and even from society itself)?
Who do you think is running these sites? Guaranteed there's a p/do on the moderation team, or at the executive level.
@@ultimamage3 not to mention you can't just remove all of them. It doesn't really work like that
@@ultimamage3 I mean it's more like it's impossible to remove all or even a significant number of them when we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of millions of active users every day. The best that Twitch could do as a company is make it so your Twitch account is tied to you somehow, possibly via Phone number with verification. It's not fool proof nor is it a perfect solution but it's better than the current account creation situation where I can just make a brand new account with no limitations or restrictions.
What's p/do?
@@jrmloh pedo but censored because RUclips
While Twitch destroying itself is satisfying to see, it’s probably not a good thing overall. RUclips will have a true monopoly on video sharing and streaming services if Twitch dies.
Right.
Besides TikTok.
This drama is so convoluted that I could go into a coma for years and it still won't be solved when I wake up.
Take a drink whenever Muta says “Ladies and gentlemen”. 😂
We would get drunk very quickly
When you master this, up the ante to "take a drink when he says 'of course' as well"
@@shogunpug4071 talk about getting alcohol poisoned
I have more alcohol than water in me
Twitch has been lazy for so long, and it's finally catching up to them. I know a lot of good people stream there, but they deserve better at this point.
I'm still convinced that this whole situation with RUclips is a cover for what's happening with Cory. Several big creators made videos about it, as well as videos that push the limits of the ToS to see just how much they, as highly esteemed RUclips creators, can get away with, and suddenly within the same month RUclips makes a massive beneficial change to the platform.
LMAO they dont care about cory. They have 10000+ other channels his size in all kinds of languages. They wont listen to one random RUclipsr.
@@froglifes6829 Yet they're doing all this in response and even struck one of their biggest creators
@@SoapyBun response to who? because they dont care about cory or what he has to say. Even pewdiepie made videos complaining about how bad yt is and they still didnt respond to him...yt doesnt care
@@froglifes6829 youtube has been actively ignoring pewdiepie since the bridge incident lmao
Nah, Cory case is not their concern. There are way too many people/channel affected by YT problem, but they're immediately move on. Still problematic, but not troubling enough to file lawsuit
These people are sick. They record all their interactions to use them later as ammunition. If I was a Twitch streamer I would stop talking/interacting with all other streamers.
Right?!?! It seems like 95% of them are legitimately terrible people
No RUclips streaming is a 70/30 split with the streamer getting 70%. On Twitch that was for premium streamers. Instead of what everyone thought they were going to do and make the 70/30 across the whole board they brought down the premium streamers to the rest of the people. And the premium streamers have to sign a contract that's pretty rough. Having to stream a certain amount of time and keep a certain number of viewers. Now why would they stay when they can make more money and be more relaxed on RUclips?
in defense of twitch, i was streaming some DJing for friends on an unlisted stream on youtube and it would frequently get "suspended" due to copyrighted material
this never happened when i switched to twitch
doesn't inherently make one better or worse, but for my use case that was pretty annoying
Don't use copyrighted music?? It's not just a yt thing
Actually it saves you alot of money from lawsuits.
@@vircle1863 lmao im pretty sure my friend group has not been infiltrated by MAFIAA agents
it was just a yt thing, it literally did not happen on twitch
and even the MAFIAA idiots have better things to do than to sue someone live streaming "their" music for 3 viewers
I guess Amazon has to recoup that money that was lost to the Rings of Power disaster show.
Just wait to see how bad youtube gets if twitch falls and they don't have any competition left
Yeah that's what i'm honestly scared of. Cause Twitch is one of RUclips's competitors in a sense.
You say, "the ones that were there back in the day," but honestly there have been more viewers on the (relatively) recent gambling craze and the cam girl streams than there have been World of Warcaft, League, etc that were what made up a lot of the "og" viewership of twitch.
The fact the fate of the company, and the current cycle of the greater web it seems, all depends on a cast of early 20 something's with the maturity level of 14-year-old schoolgirls is pretty depressing if you ask me.
You would think if they are having so many issues with breaking even they would stop permanently banning big streamers for small reasons.
“Have you ever heard of twitch TV snake?”
“Twitch TV?”
“Yes twitch TV, once a monolith in the live streaming service One simple change in the revenue split turned it into nothing but a relic of the past.”
making an account for live streaming on major platforms should be 18+ IMO. kids should still be allowed to stream but at least it would require the kid to clear it with an adult first or find a way around an ID check. even that little bit of difficulty added to the process would help a lot i think. or it would maybe force kids streaming to move to its own bespoke kind of service. its just far to easy for any kid on a whim to make an account and stream and put themselves in danger.
I keep remembering the deergender guy that was so smug about how he was one of the top admins and how he was untouchable.
Was untouchable but failed to see the cost.
The amount of percentage that these companies take from content creators is insane and really not fair.
Finally a normal thumbnail that doesn't distort reality.
twitch is given so much content for youtube as always
@Itsssurmommy
OK.
@Itsssurmommy No, your content is trash clickbait for attention. Gtfoh
What's really fucked up is that the companies will never willingly make the age 18 to stream. Channels that target children with toys and cartoons make waaaaay too much money to just throw away. Hopefully there is some sort of recourse that can be taken.
What blew my mind is that it was starting at 13
16 would be young but still understandable with parent permission.
But 13?! You'd think they would make you confirm your age before you could stream. Idk how they would do it, but there has to be a better way than "please enter your real age here, without lying please"
I honestly HATE twitch so much, but doing DJ streams I have no choice due to copyright issues. Twitch is a lot more chill with copyrighted music and honestly, the thing I'd love to see on RUclips is what Twitch does in terms of silencing sections of your streams with copyrighted music. Please correct me if I'm wrong but YT doesn't do this, but it'd make music streamers like me flock to the platform I guarantee it.
I heard that muting sections of a video or live stream is going to be a feature available soon. Though I thought this was already a thing in RUclips's built in editor?
Honestly Twitch deserves what is coming to them, and HOPEFULLY RUclips also makes it possible to add in the possibility for chat integration into games.
Most recent example I can think of is, Cult of the Lamb has it where chat users can be characters in the streamer's game, but *only* on Twitch, RUclips does not have that capability and it feels like A LOT of games do not have that feature for RUclips, only for Twitch... something that makes Twitch more feasible for "chat interaction" in games... same with channel points being used in certain games to "mess with" or "help" the streamer in them.
If RUclips had that same capabilities, I think those benefits are the only thing stopping RUclips from completely demolishing Twitch. (especially since there are addons to make chat more like Twitch for RUclips now too)
There is something i love about seeing company like Twitch being crumble down
in my experience, 'dying' in the context of games usually means its making way less money or its getting way less popular. afaik, their revenue is growing. and i haven't heard of their popularity dying. so it's not "dying", we just don't like what it's doing
Donations on RUclips live is 70 30 from what I have heard
Donations shouldn't be pocketed by companies period imo
@@TheLewdOtaku they have to make money some how
I had no idea, I stopped going to that trash site years ago when it became all about pleasing the chat for handouts and not playing games. Streamers would spend hours with the puase screen on bullshitting with the chat, oh and all the noise from the on screen notifications, I couldn't take it. Ban children from the internet, nothing but trouble.
I love your personality Muta! Keep at it!
Richard Lewis wrote an article about Twitch and child predators back in 2019.
Good old days when small youtubers had monetization option, but then pewdiepie and those paul dudes did something stupid so YT took monetization away from very small streamers. twitch still pays for us small dudes ;D
Based. Let it rot along with social media in general.
If they were actually worried about the base cost of streaming and cataloguing those streams as VODs though, wouldn't it make more sense to just set the rate of revenure to involve a flat fee?
Like the revenue is 50:50 until $30 or whatever is made and then it becomes 70:30 in the streamer's favour each stream?
When the day comes that they fall, I imagine they’ll be like
“Where did everybody go?”
I loved how they blamed the 50/50 split on hosting costs... when they own the hosting company.
My bowls are imploding right now man
the great streamer wars of 2022
More like typical high school dramas
I always thought 13 was far too young to be able to stream or upload videos to the internet, it should have always been 18+, or be in the company of an adult.
A lot of the issue is that kids getting smartphones, if a kid is going to get a phone, they should be basic phones with no cameras or anything like that, only able to communicate with parents.
I am not shedding a single tear for that online strip club.
Still never figured out what happened to Disrespect. I'm years behind.
70/30 is how Valve splits each sale for all the games on Steam. It's how Valve has just made an absolute killing with selling other people's games. Plus they're privately owned so no shareholders to tell them what to do. Honestly a pretty decent business model, plus we see Valve has actually bothered to innovate with the Index and the Deck. Not that any of the other big corporations would take a page out of their book. Why innovate when you can just exploit? But eventually, people realize they're being exploited and walk out. No love lost, Twitch. RUclips is gonna dominate for better or worse.
The fact that the kids channel has 451 live viewers and none of them are saying ANYTHING is so disturbing. 15:50. This is wild.
Several years back (can't remember exactly), I tried to use Twitch but was then banned for "DMCA violations", I was accused of recording another user's Stream and then reuploading it. since Twitch was a toilet, I got an automated message and was unable to f all about it. Basically they just took the word of the troll(s) and I was sol. I went to Reddit to figure out how to possibly fix it only to find multiple threads of several hundred others who had the same issue, some were banned so many times they were now perma banned.
This issue was literally only "resolved" when the trolls accidentally (or maybe intentionally and figured Twitch was so much of a toilet it would work) hit a big Twitch Streamer. I as well as many others were unbanned HOWEVER Twitch STILL sent out an automated message warning that if we did it again we would be in more trouble. Now as it was, they only unbanned people who had been flagged by the trolls they banned for false DMCAing, they took no further steps to identify more trolls or give any way to combat the issue, basically I was just lucky the trolls who DMCAed me were one of those who got caught.
So just to clarify. I got banned coz a bunch of trolls were actively going on to Twitch and falsely DMCAing streams AND this happened to HUNDREDS possibly THOUSANDS of Streamers but as the trolls targeted small channels with no or only a handful of subs AND not only did they only do something once a big streamer got caught THEY ONLY took down a small fraction of these trolls AND then still didnt' lift my infraction, I was STILL considered to have broken the rules, they just unbanned me early (i want' perma banned just banned for a few weeks).
So yeah I'm not suprised by any of this, I left Twitch and went to Mixer which when I DID break the rules, had a HUMAN talk to me and solve the issue and was unbanned within a few hours.
Just to be clear I was banned coz I was streaming Final Fantasy VII Remake early, I dunno if tyall remember but as in Australia got it 2 weeks early as EB Games broke street day as Covid restrictions were about to shut them down and they didnt' wanna miss sales. SE then lodged fraudulent NDA take downs despite no NDA being signed and the games weren't' connected to server so we didn't even get a EULA when we started the game, in fact the only NDA was apparently posted on Twitter, which I never saw so yeah if it went to court I'd have most likely won, but hey what would I have won? Nothing, I'd have stopped nothing and would ust be out of $$$ for legal fees, though being Aussie I probs would been reimbursed so I'd still be out time and stress.
So i took the L, promised not to do it again, read ToS of Mixer and confirmed had a strike on my account and moved on with my life. Interestngly Mixer had a system where all bans are effectiverly perma bans. Basically how it works is once your banned, you contact a HUMAN Moderator, they discuss what you did and make a determination, if this is first time your most likely gonna be fine unless you do real bad stuff. This means that you get a human, with human knowledge and the issue is resolved quickly and with minimal fuss, basically it's 1 billion times better then Twitch in Every single way.
Mixer: Hired humans to act like humans and resolve issues.
Twitch: hired a deer who blocked people coz as a they were able to understand emojis.
Lol that deer shit was nightmare fuel, I'd just forgotten
@@solzenstein I never forgot... neeeeeeeever...
Low-key I probably would have raised it to 60/40 for normal streamers ... And lowered it to 60/40 for the big streamers ... Would have been a lot better recieved and it would have pushed that Overton window down a bit to reduce it to 50/50 later lel
I already knew Twitch was dying the moment the E Girls became a thing.
this is insane that it's been going on for days
its impossible to do anything about these type of people on twitch when twitch has deemed the word groomer problematic
I had, no idea about any of this and it's disturbing and messed up enough what these people are doing- but how OPEN they are about it and how common this is!? Makes me wonder about how many of these people aren't open about it and just silently being sickos with these streams.
I can't process this, I don't even - why? Oh my god why? Like- how does Twitch not have mods combing through their chats more often and flagging these psychos?
crazy to think spankbang is right there with twitch, goated
It’s like the drama era of RUclips, but boiled over into exploding in only a few weeks.
If I was Amazon and saw that PR statement where apparently roughly 20% is enough to make or break the platform I'd be saying bye bye Twitch.
What gets me with this is that I have a feeling the lower end of the age range being 13 is quite possibly determined by some countries age of consent being that low as well. Twitch, like other big companies, might be keeping it that low so as to not have issue with those other countries. I find it rather disconcerting how many countries fall into this age group for consent. I think back to when I was 13 and I don't want to think of that being the age I could be considered able to "consent" to anything serious. I personally didn't find myself being well aware and properly thoughtful of my decisions till I was at least 15-16 and even then I knew many people who were very much not ready by that age.
For several of those countries the age of consent my be considered higher than their national listing of 13 thanks to laws and regulations made by local government agencies but the wider ruling still stands and not all places in a country will have such regulations by their local government agencies.
I can't wait until the day Twitch doesn't exist anymore 👍
Now for twitter...
the only issue is that youtube would lose all competition, and we all know where that leads
@@n0odles86 twitter, Reddit and even RUclips
This is why we need to completely sever the ties between big business and government.
I think anyone under 18 should be banned from the Internet, at least until anonymity makes a comeback and social media is forgotten about.
In this digital era, no such thing as no social media, it'll always be here, and privacy and anonymity has only gotten smaller and less available.
18 for streaming is probably the worst idea ever
ever since the queen died the crust of the earth split and alternate realms opened, causing everything to become randomized. what will happen next?
@@BardiXOfficial the merge is happening
Competition is the best part of capitalism because if you make egregious mistakes constantly and your competitor doesnt you lose out but the consumers dont.
The only thing that really sets twitch apart currently is the emotes and chat culture tbh
I feel like if there's no competition for yt , people will expect yt to be the best at everything , from streaming to other things , which will put pressure on them to make good decisions , also cause they don't want to end up like twitch
Or just like monopolies tend to do: do the absolute minimum because where would they go to?
Absolutely wrong, do you see what youtube is currently doing in the areas that they currently have a monopoly over? They're screwing all of us over, and nobody cares enough to jump ship. Look at the like/dislike button, the ad system, algorithm, etc.
If RUclips is the only (major) streaming service then what they do would be definition be the best lol
It doesn't work like that. If there is no competition then the company can do almost anything it wants. People will have no leverage because there is nowhere else to go, this giving youtube ultimate control.
It happens pretty much every time
The funny part is RUclips really hasn't tried to compete in livestreaming with Twitch. They've been more focused on other things. But Twitch has worsened to the point where youtube is better by default now.
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