Beat me to it. The most damning thing about this is the enormous gulf between the top like...5 prebans, and everyone else. The prior seasons all slowly trickled from 20 to 15 to 10 etc. This one goes from 65 to like 40 to 24 to 9. That's *abysmal* no one likes Harsetti. No one likes forced bullshit speed rng that they have 0 control over.
@@SkalemProductions It is. It's all meant to be. SmileGate believes that RNG is the key to balance and it's very evident in their design philosophy. The issue is, in a competitive game, skill is what players feel rewarded by. RNG takes skill out of the equation and it's one of the main reasons why no one feels good about playing RTA.
@@SkalemProductionsmy opinion is, Mort shouldn't have the passive of shutting down counters imo. Fear is one thing but to have an additional thing along with it is just so dumb to me. Like Candy, one of the best ml5 in the game just got reduced to dogshit solely cause of Mort. Some may say the same on Belian and her shutting down souls. But even then, you dont necessarily need souls, i mean they're great and fantastic but dont completely make units unusable now. And for SG to say, oh the diverse of 7 units, that's not even diverse if everyone just picks them over and over again. If anything that should be a problem. If you want diversity, why not implement weekly bans on heroes or even classes to make rta interesting.
@boiri 😂😂😂😂 Idc Mort is the best balance ive seen ever, i can tell you're most likely a player that depends on lottery candy, how dare they counter the counter demon
It makes sense because you have to completely change up your units to play the harsetti game. You want to preban the heroes that disallow you to play the most units. For example, ilynav cancels out most DPS rosters, so that's why it's a high pre-ban unit.
I think smilegate needs to change pre-ban system into 2 pre-bans for below master elo and 3 pre-bans for above master elo, there are too many annoying units in this season
There is 5 OP heroes, 4 bans and most of the time they are duplicated. I wish they made a second choice when the ban is doubled. It would allow for more expression of expirience with RTA. What i mean is that you can deduct what team archetype enemy wants to go and ban extra 1 unit that you assume to be important for their plan.
@@grommy511 The bare minimum they could've done was give each player one extra pre-ban. Alternating pre-bans could also work, but it does make the draft phase even longer.
They should make it so you take turns prebanning, just like the picks, so you get 4 unique banned units. Then remove ban protect, and do the same thing with bans
@@CamFGC Alternating pre-bans sounds like a good idea. I like it. The only downside is it'll make drafts take longer, which isn't much of a downside if you're avoiding dupe bans.
So, they started doing this toward the end but the one thing about this meta that I hate is just the limited options you have into some of these comps. Harsetti throws a monkey wrench into the pot and there is very few good units to take in versus her. I had hoped that they took the time to up the power of lesser known heroes to make them viable picks into her. Like the thing with NML, it made people dust off their speed DJB or light archates which NO ONE was using because there wasn't a need for her. Both can make the the game unpredictable for NM, add laia in the mix or and can pretty much decide who you don't want to deal with while leaving NM alone. You can't do they with harsetti sadly. No zio? No young senya? Rough buddy, hope you built a group of units JUST for fighting her and hoping she is the slow version and not the 300 speed one.
@@PTAdrock Harsetti is the reason why I hated the last season. Miserable experience all around. Once players figured out how to abuse her with specially crafted teams, it went downhill from there.
I think first pick should not be able to pick their ban protection first. Second pick needs to answer the oppressive first pick and then their ban protection, and then forced to pick 4 units first. The first picker can just dump out units that the 4 units could not handle on the 4th and 5th slot and just blind ban whichever last unit that was picked. This is really ridiculous imo...
Been trying to figure out how should I deal with harsetti defenses specially in guildwar coz there's no other choice but to fight her and I can't just be defensive like only bringing young senya coz I'll be instantly die even before I take a turn. It was so tragic 😮💨
@@CheonM4a Against the AI, you can get away with using Zio + Fire Flan (for easy CR pushes so your team goes first to cleave) or Young Senya with Mort and a flex pick to help deal with anything that might kill Mort (Shalltear for Fire Flan, for example).
slowly the meta is shifting into what looks like the rng of summoners war. There whoever violent procs the most, wins and here we get harsetti with her speed rng and others with other affects the are heavy rng. Kinda sucks. That's what i liked about e7 over sw, most of the time the only rng you had to deal with was the 15% and the small dual attack chance, but now it's starting to pour over into other aspects with characters
They are probably gonna restart the anti-meta unit process again just like with ML Landy. Just keep releasing new units that direct counter the OP ones until hopefully something sticks. Im disappointed they chose to do nothing about the overall system. Idk if they even will commit to anything next season either.
@@lerntuspel6256 Her passive halves all Fighting Spirit and Focus at the start of battle and reduces Fighting Spirit and Focus gains by half throughout the battle. She's a great option into Fire Flan because it reduces her starting Focus to 1.5 instead of 3. She can still dual attack once, but she will lose her additional 50% evasion afterwards.
I really hate Harsetti, so I use Zio and Young Senya against her. AS Flan is also annoying because of the combo of her and Ameru. However I hate NML and SPP more because they can deny Senya and Blue Vampire Girl is rarely seen in RTA. My prebans rotate around AS Flan, NML, SPP, and Harsetti (AS Flan and NML being my top priorities). Whenever I see a Zio ban in my match I know for a fact it'll be a Harsetti comp so I just bait to have their third ban protect to be Harsetti with a fast unit like Ran or ' Commander Laika since if I go for a slow team they'll usually ban protect SPP (at the matches I don't preban her) and then once they ban protect her I just pick 2 mort then ban protect Young Senya and watch they would scramble to get earth units on their last two picks but my other picks would be high hp units like alencia, armin, or Roana, and my last one will be either bbk or arbiter vildred.
Last season was miserable, it was the first time I actually played RTA for higher rank than master, I was sitting in challenger with no efforts but I certainly didn't like how much impact these premium options like Setti and Moli have on the game, these characters make the game e̶x̶c̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶, always pre-banned by me but then there are characters like ML ily a tank that can't be bust through and makes my opponent's team nearly un-killable. It's been very f̶u̶n̶ and e̶x̶c̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ according to SG.
Funny enough I had a code that I only summon for healthy heroes and play off meta, summoned harsetti when I saw how mid she was, but now, I only slam her when I realize the opponent is going toxic to even the score😂😂
ML Luna to me was the worst terrorist from the top ban list, literally you can't play other than Harsetti without ML Luna and its frustrating. Its a "pick your poison" situation, people can dislike Harsetti all they want but ML Luna is as toxic, she will always do her opener just like Harsetti.
Nah Harsetti is much worse. Any unit that passively removes gear score the way she does just shouldn't exist. At least with Luna there is the option of a cleanse.
@@Sutareta As many other said, its not just how strong ML Luna is, she also makes her whole team even stronger and while yes Harsetti does technically the same but its more RNG than any other thing. Against ML Luna you know she will go first and will do her opener regardless of what you do, all you can do is mitigate that and in my experience in champion (I'm just an average player) that is... most of the time impossible. It will vary and every player will have their own opinion because each account has different weakness and strengths but I'd rather get RNG ****ed than 0 chance of winning just because they picked ML Luna. This game is a gacha and as F2P I can't guarantee to have characters like Illynav, Laia or Kawerik to even have a chance against ML Luna. And my bulky high res Achates can't handle ML Luna teammates. I'm not defending Harsetti, despite loving her design (visually) I just hate how my whole account (surprise, fast account without ML Luna because I started playing after her rotation) can't play against her either but at least I have Smolya to realistic mitigate her but against ML Luna? I just accept the fact that I won't get higher than mid-high Champion. As I said Its a pick your poison situation, both characters are as toxic to me and should be removed (Sorry poster girl owners, she's very toxic still)
Harsetti is pretty unfair. In Arena you can use yours or oponents to control somewhat with Zio and A.S.Flan... those of us that have them both, any other person? No, sorry, fall to the hands of unfairly high Hp and SpdRNG.
imo as somone who has played the game for almost 5 years now the game balance has been getting worse and worse. it use to be 15% and random dual attacks were the ban of pvp but i felt gearing had much more impact on a game now they cram and pack all these new units with overloaded kits. you have harsetti which already shuts down your enemies speed teams then you give her massive debuffs ontop of making her a mage so she has toxic artifacts like book or crown which is a joke or you had things like gilias and jenua running around one shotting everything and instead of fixing there pen rate they were forced to make ml ilinav to help with it which is worse cuz if they ban her then they still on the table now or even mort now his passive to take away all counters is strong enough but then they give his s3 huge damage with a new debuff fear that can make you most of the times loose 2 turns oh and btw it ignores er if he a tank has more health like wtf are they thinking then you got ml luna who should be countered by a sw but since they made her s2 a 2 turn 50 cr boost she just out paces every sw and can still work around it while also doing damage cuz hey why not the balance team needs to nerf and im not talking huge things like gut them like they did to hwyoung i want subtle ones like take maybe 1 thing away from the kit that will just make them a bit weaker then again i only get on now for gw and to help guild so at this point im kinda bored and moved on so meh what do i know.
@@STARKILLER96 the thing is that sg would never nerf an ml5 cuz if they do they’ll go out of business. Every time I see a preview of a busted unit I feel my motivation to take the game seriously slowly fade away. I started playing rta cuz I could try out fun plays against live opponents and have fun, but nowadays whenever I draft an off meta unit they just end up not being find much value. I have to keep harsetti on permaban in order to be able to play the game properly and after that I’m only left with one other preban which makes it so much harder to be able to draft properly as you have have prebanned the hard counter to the play you had in mind but banning the one unit that hard counters doesn’t mean they can’t pick something else that could disrupt your game.
More pre bans and keep ban protect. The game is completely unplayable for new players without ban protect in the current state. The main problem is Luna, Harsetti, Flan, And Emp Ily. 4 pre bans and the game is saved.
Want to say that popular game (leaugue,dota,ect) are not balanced top down, they create specifique hero for New player and do both balance for more casual game and pro play at the same time. They have rotation so during a big tournament they realease a patch for pro play and stay on this patch for the tournament. They then Release a casual patch for the rest of the player base. I dont think top down work many game died because of it ( for exemple sc2) games live by the new player and the new influx of player. I did hate this season, very unfun i dont think the ban protect is the problem tho, more like the insane amount of broken unit released that make drafting very boring.
You just contradicted yourself by the way. Riot also is absolutely balancing the game with higher level play in mind, they aren't buffing and nerfing units because of lil Timmy and Jimmy in gold and silver.
Both the last two seasons were legitimately awful and the worst time i've ever had playing this game to be honest. Ban protect takes almost all the smart and fun drafting strategy out of the game and literally makes the game more stupid, hate it with every fiber of my being. I normally slam like 400-500 games of RTA in a season, last couple I was at just about or even slightly less than 100 games, this season I will not be playing at all until the last day and that's ONLY if the reward skin blows me away.
Ngl they should probably keep ban protection. There are certain units that have only like one or two units that counter them like IHA vs Muna. They lock in Muna, ban your IHA and just get to seal you for free unless you cripple your draft. I'd like more bans but I don't want them to be prebans. Stuff like Lud cleave will just be too strong if they can preban some combination of Zio, Belian, Harsetti, Moon Bunny, Ilynav. Idk what they should do but I do want them to add some balance or rewards geared at making RTA seem more appealing to new players. The game is growing a reputation of being very f2p unfriendly because so many people are being told it's specific units you NEED in order to play. That isn't good. Again, idk how they could fix this. Something simple, something new player friendly, and something cleavers can't abuse
Both choice are extremely toxic lmao. on the Red pill you have AOE block, which means nobody can cleanse your team, a good way to kill all cleanser in the game (not like they are good anyway nowadays) on the Blue pill you have fixed spd and spd rng. even if i hate that Spd rng thing, i still think it's better than the leak one, at least we are starting to see counter to her like Tenya.
Beat me to it. The most damning thing about this is the enormous gulf between the top like...5 prebans, and everyone else. The prior seasons all slowly trickled from 20 to 15 to 10 etc. This one goes from 65 to like 40 to 24 to 9. That's *abysmal* no one likes Harsetti. No one likes forced bullshit speed rng that they have 0 control over.
Not only this, I feel like Mort's ability, fear, is also just rng. Might just be me tho.
@@SkalemProductions It is. It's all meant to be. SmileGate believes that RNG is the key to balance and it's very evident in their design philosophy. The issue is, in a competitive game, skill is what players feel rewarded by. RNG takes skill out of the equation and it's one of the main reasons why no one feels good about playing RTA.
@@azallea Couldn't have said it better myself.
@@SkalemProductionsmy opinion is, Mort shouldn't have the passive of shutting down counters imo. Fear is one thing but to have an additional thing along with it is just so dumb to me.
Like Candy, one of the best ml5 in the game just got reduced to dogshit solely cause of Mort.
Some may say the same on Belian and her shutting down souls. But even then, you dont necessarily need souls, i mean they're great and fantastic but dont completely make units unusable now.
And for SG to say, oh the diverse of 7 units, that's not even diverse if everyone just picks them over and over again. If anything that should be a problem. If you want diversity, why not implement weekly bans on heroes or even classes to make rta interesting.
@boiri 😂😂😂😂 Idc Mort is the best balance ive seen ever, i can tell you're most likely a player that depends on lottery candy, how dare they counter the counter demon
It makes sense because you have to completely change up your units to play the harsetti game. You want to preban the heroes that disallow you to play the most units. For example, ilynav cancels out most DPS rosters, so that's why it's a high pre-ban unit.
I think smilegate needs to change pre-ban system into 2 pre-bans for below master elo and 3 pre-bans for above master elo, there are too many annoying units in this season
There is 5 OP heroes, 4 bans and most of the time they are duplicated. I wish they made a second choice when the ban is doubled. It would allow for more expression of expirience with RTA. What i mean is that you can deduct what team archetype enemy wants to go and ban extra 1 unit that you assume to be important for their plan.
@@grommy511 The bare minimum they could've done was give each player one extra pre-ban. Alternating pre-bans could also work, but it does make the draft phase even longer.
They should make it so you take turns prebanning, just like the picks, so you get 4 unique banned units. Then remove ban protect, and do the same thing with bans
@@CamFGC Alternating pre-bans sounds like a good idea. I like it. The only downside is it'll make drafts take longer, which isn't much of a downside if you're avoiding dupe bans.
So, they started doing this toward the end but the one thing about this meta that I hate is just the limited options you have into some of these comps. Harsetti throws a monkey wrench into the pot and there is very few good units to take in versus her. I had hoped that they took the time to up the power of lesser known heroes to make them viable picks into her. Like the thing with NML, it made people dust off their speed DJB or light archates which NO ONE was using because there wasn't a need for her. Both can make the the game unpredictable for NM, add laia in the mix or and can pretty much decide who you don't want to deal with while leaving NM alone. You can't do they with harsetti sadly. No zio? No young senya? Rough buddy, hope you built a group of units JUST for fighting her and hoping she is the slow version and not the 300 speed one.
@@PTAdrock Harsetti is the reason why I hated the last season. Miserable experience all around. Once players figured out how to abuse her with specially crafted teams, it went downhill from there.
The teacher is teaching us!!
I think first pick should not be able to pick their ban protection first. Second pick needs to answer the oppressive first pick and then their ban protection, and then forced to pick 4 units first. The first picker can just dump out units that the 4 units could not handle on the 4th and 5th slot and just blind ban whichever last unit that was picked. This is really ridiculous imo...
Been trying to figure out how should I deal with harsetti defenses specially in guildwar coz there's no other choice but to fight her and I can't just be defensive like only bringing young senya coz I'll be instantly die even before I take a turn. It was so tragic 😮💨
@@CheonM4a Against the AI, you can get away with using Zio + Fire Flan (for easy CR pushes so your team goes first to cleave) or Young Senya with Mort and a flex pick to help deal with anything that might kill Mort (Shalltear for Fire Flan, for example).
slowly the meta is shifting into what looks like the rng of summoners war. There whoever violent procs the most, wins and here we get harsetti with her speed rng and others with other affects the are heavy rng. Kinda sucks. That's what i liked about e7 over sw, most of the time the only rng you had to deal with was the 15% and the small dual attack chance, but now it's starting to pour over into other aspects with characters
I legitimately hate the top 5 pre ban units. I'm not surprised they're the top 5 Lmao.
They are probably gonna restart the anti-meta unit process again just like with ML Landy. Just keep releasing new units that direct counter the OP ones until hopefully something sticks.
Im disappointed they chose to do nothing about the overall system. Idk if they even will commit to anything next season either.
Wait I don’t understand how does sea phantom shut down flan
@@lerntuspel6256 Her passive halves all Fighting Spirit and Focus at the start of battle and reduces Fighting Spirit and Focus gains by half throughout the battle. She's a great option into Fire Flan because it reduces her starting Focus to 1.5 instead of 3. She can still dual attack once, but she will lose her additional 50% evasion afterwards.
I really hate Harsetti, so I use Zio and Young Senya against her. AS Flan is also annoying because of the combo of her and Ameru. However I hate NML and SPP more because they can deny Senya and Blue Vampire Girl is rarely seen in RTA. My prebans rotate around AS Flan, NML, SPP, and Harsetti (AS Flan and NML being my top priorities).
Whenever I see a Zio ban in my match I know for a fact it'll be a Harsetti comp so I just bait to have their third ban protect to be Harsetti with a fast unit like Ran or '
Commander Laika since if I go for a slow team they'll usually ban protect SPP (at the matches I don't preban her) and then once they ban protect her I just pick 2 mort then ban protect Young Senya and watch they would scramble to get earth units on their last two picks but my other picks would be high hp units like alencia, armin, or Roana, and my last one will be either bbk or arbiter vildred.
Last season was miserable, it was the first time I actually played RTA for higher rank than master, I was sitting in challenger with no efforts but I certainly didn't like how much impact these premium options like Setti and Moli have on the game, these characters make the game e̶x̶c̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶, always pre-banned by me but then there are characters like ML ily a tank that can't be bust through and makes my opponent's team nearly un-killable. It's been very f̶u̶n̶ and e̶x̶c̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ according to SG.
glad im not a world arena player, i only do em 10 tries then give up the rest of the season as a new player!
Funny enough I had a code that I only summon for healthy heroes and play off meta, summoned harsetti when I saw how mid she was, but now, I only slam her when I realize the opponent is going toxic to even the score😂😂
You really thought she is mid with her bloated kit?
@Sutareta the first week she came out everyone was saying that she was mid
@@alvinheron6006 People always say that a character is busted/bad first week in and then everyone gets a revelation
ML Luna to me was the worst terrorist from the top ban list, literally you can't play other than Harsetti without ML Luna and its frustrating. Its a "pick your poison" situation, people can dislike Harsetti all they want but ML Luna is as toxic, she will always do her opener just like Harsetti.
Ml Luna has more counters though, light Achates, Ml Kawerik, Laia to name at least 3 and there's more
Nah Harsetti is much worse. Any unit that passively removes gear score the way she does just shouldn't exist. At least with Luna there is the option of a cleanse.
@@Sutareta As many other said, its not just how strong ML Luna is, she also makes her whole team even stronger and while yes Harsetti does technically the same but its more RNG than any other thing. Against ML Luna you know she will go first and will do her opener regardless of what you do, all you can do is mitigate that and in my experience in champion (I'm just an average player) that is... most of the time impossible. It will vary and every player will have their own opinion because each account has different weakness and strengths but I'd rather get RNG ****ed than 0 chance of winning just because they picked ML Luna.
This game is a gacha and as F2P I can't guarantee to have characters like Illynav, Laia or Kawerik to even have a chance against ML Luna. And my bulky high res Achates can't handle ML Luna teammates. I'm not defending Harsetti, despite loving her design (visually) I just hate how my whole account (surprise, fast account without ML Luna because I started playing after her rotation) can't play against her either but at least I have Smolya to realistic mitigate her but against ML Luna? I just accept the fact that I won't get higher than mid-high Champion. As I said Its a pick your poison situation, both characters are as toxic to me and should be removed (Sorry poster girl owners, she's very toxic still)
Harsetti is pretty unfair. In Arena you can use yours or oponents to control somewhat with Zio and A.S.Flan... those of us that have them both, any other person? No, sorry, fall to the hands of unfairly high Hp and SpdRNG.
imo as somone who has played the game for almost 5 years now the game balance has been getting worse and worse. it use to be 15% and random dual attacks were the ban of pvp but i felt gearing had much more impact on a game now they cram and pack all these new units with overloaded kits. you have harsetti which already shuts down your enemies speed teams then you give her massive debuffs ontop of making her a mage so she has toxic artifacts like book or crown which is a joke or you had things like gilias and jenua running around one shotting everything and instead of fixing there pen rate they were forced to make ml ilinav to help with it which is worse cuz if they ban her then they still on the table now or even mort now his passive to take away all counters is strong enough but then they give his s3 huge damage with a new debuff fear that can make you most of the times loose 2 turns oh and btw it ignores er if he a tank has more health like wtf are they thinking then you got ml luna who should be countered by a sw but since they made her s2 a 2 turn 50 cr boost she just out paces every sw and can still work around it while also doing damage cuz hey why not the balance team needs to nerf and im not talking huge things like gut them like they did to hwyoung i want subtle ones like take maybe 1 thing away from the kit that will just make them a bit weaker then again i only get on now for gw and to help guild so at this point im kinda bored and moved on so meh what do i know.
@@STARKILLER96 the thing is that sg would never nerf an ml5 cuz if they do they’ll go out of business. Every time I see a preview of a busted unit I feel my motivation to take the game seriously slowly fade away. I started playing rta cuz I could try out fun plays against live opponents and have fun, but nowadays whenever I draft an off meta unit they just end up not being find much value. I have to keep harsetti on permaban in order to be able to play the game properly and after that I’m only left with one other preban which makes it so much harder to be able to draft properly as you have have prebanned the hard counter to the play you had in mind but banning the one unit that hard counters doesn’t mean they can’t pick something else that could disrupt your game.
More pre bans and keep ban protect. The game is completely unplayable for new players without ban protect in the current state. The main problem is Luna, Harsetti, Flan, And Emp Ily. 4 pre bans and the game is saved.
Want to say that popular game (leaugue,dota,ect) are not balanced top down, they create specifique hero for New player and do both balance for more casual game and pro play at the same time. They have rotation so during a big tournament they realease a patch for pro play and stay on this patch for the tournament. They then Release a casual patch for the rest of the player base. I dont think top down work many game died because of it ( for exemple sc2) games live by the new player and the new influx of player. I did hate this season, very unfun i dont think the ban protect is the problem tho, more like the insane amount of broken unit released that make drafting very boring.
You just contradicted yourself by the way. Riot also is absolutely balancing the game with higher level play in mind, they aren't buffing and nerfing units because of lil Timmy and Jimmy in gold and silver.
Damn no rta today
@@voidhaka5213 There will be more tomorrow!
Both the last two seasons were legitimately awful and the worst time i've ever had playing this game to be honest. Ban protect takes almost all the smart and fun drafting strategy out of the game and literally makes the game more stupid, hate it with every fiber of my being. I normally slam like 400-500 games of RTA in a season, last couple I was at just about or even slightly less than 100 games, this season I will not be playing at all until the last day and that's ONLY if the reward skin blows me away.
Ngl they should probably keep ban protection. There are certain units that have only like one or two units that counter them like IHA vs Muna. They lock in Muna, ban your IHA and just get to seal you for free unless you cripple your draft. I'd like more bans but I don't want them to be prebans. Stuff like Lud cleave will just be too strong if they can preban some combination of Zio, Belian, Harsetti, Moon Bunny, Ilynav.
Idk what they should do but I do want them to add some balance or rewards geared at making RTA seem more appealing to new players. The game is growing a reputation of being very f2p unfriendly because so many people are being told it's specific units you NEED in order to play. That isn't good.
Again, idk how they could fix this. Something simple, something new player friendly, and something cleavers can't abuse
leaked harset > cancer harset
Both choice are extremely toxic lmao.
on the Red pill you have AOE block, which means nobody can cleanse your team, a good way to kill all cleanser in the game (not like they are good anyway nowadays)
on the Blue pill you have fixed spd and spd rng.
even if i hate that Spd rng thing, i still think it's better than the leak one, at least we are starting to see counter to her like Tenya.