Donk broke so many records this year. He has the stats and the numbers. Won major as MVP in his rookie year. Even tho I understand people don’t like him, he is the player of the year. No doubt.
what a great comment. we are literally seeing the equivalent of a young Messi dropping once in a generation type performances on a consistent basis and somehow these people are trying to invent reasons on why it is not that impressive actually and that the most competitive year in counter strike history is actually not that difficult of a field and all the top teams peaking currently are actually just washed. it is so laughable. thank god the vast majority of talent actually sees what is happening and is embracing it.
Donk is definitely the #1. He's like s1mple reincarnated without the inflated ego XD. He carries his team to victory each time and hits 20+ kills every single time. His rookie year they win kato and a major and it's all thanks to him. Monesy has had niko his whole tier 1 carrier, no major. Donk has magixx, they win major. Shiro is good but he's not a game carrier. Also, donk doesn't mald at his team. He genuinely wants to help his team succeed and even gives up his ak mid round when low on hp. Donk is s1mple if s1mple wasn't a butthole.
My theory is that deep down Thorin sees s1mple reincarnated in m0nesy and it is (somewhat understandably) blinding his judgment because there is no way he is still considering that m0nesy might have been better than donk this year Despite playing a significantly harder role and having a worst team, donk still cleared m0nesy by a great margin. This is not like the Messi/Ronaldo debate Edit: I've just remebered of what is probably my favorite Thorin video "The Burden of the Solo Hard Carry" and I think he explays it perfectly there. If m0nesy is not the best player in the server G2 can still win, they have done so plenty of times this year. If donk is not the best player in the server there is no Team Spirit, in fact his team can still lose regardless of his inhuman performances If we use the Messi/Ronaldo example, this is like if one of them played for Villareal instead of Barça/Real Madrid and despite that still outperformed the other guy and won the UCL and Copa del Rey for his team when they have no business doing so
yeah when thorin compared d0nk to zywoo like 3 months ago he made all the same points, and when it became donk vs monesy his role became less hard and impactful
there's a bit of recency bias here to be fair. You're forgetting that G2 was awful in the first half of the year, hunter was unbelievably shit and NiKo hadn't figured out CS2 yet. All success G2 had came from monesy hard carrying whereas in the first half, donk actually had support. Post mid season break, yeah, spirit fell apart, everything was on donk and G2 got massively better thanks to malbs and NiKo finding his game so in the end we remember donk carrying and monesy having help when both were in the same situation at different points. Maybe donk had to carry harder because even a "bad" niko is still niko after all but yeah. I do agree that donk is easily the best player of the year for me and not because of stats but because when I watch him, I quite literally cannot believe my eyes. Never seen anything like him. Every time I watch him I think: yup, that's the best player in the world
plus monesy was just really underwhelming at the rmr and the major. But people are going too far in the other direction with him now. The gap between no1 and 2 is not as big as some might suggest
@@bretstiles345 this here exactly. People must have the memory of a goldfish because how can anyone forget how hard m0nesy was carrying in the first half of the year? NiKo, the supposedly GOAT rifler, couldn't break a 1.10 rating; huNter was absolutely arse, the team had no structure whatsoever, and he was still the best player at the Copenhagen major by quite some distance. He won an S-tier LAN with Stewie2k and nexa. The lineup with hooxi was pound for pound worse than Spirit is now. Shiro in the second half of the year was still better than NiKo in the first half. Again, donk has firmly secured #1 with this major performance, but people act like the comparison with m0nesy is ridiculous, which it really isn't. I would have been happy with either of them getting #1 tbh.
Amazing work at the Major! but Nero's take on Monesy & Donk is hurting my brain Yes Monesy was the 2nd best player of the year but Donk CARRIED! most of the year at times. Monesy was the 2nd best player on his own team at times.... not the case for donk
Fantastic work at the Major, Sam, thank you! I've just found out that Feed The Trolls is being released on Spotify too, so I'll likely watch on there, but I'll try to remember to like and comment on the RUclips for the algorithm
Donk is clearly #1 this year. Unbelievable that there is even a conversation questioning that. The real debate is who deserves the #2 spot, and I’m kinda surprised zywoo is just being disregarded in this episode, even though I’d agree m0nesy is #2, I think zywoo has a really good argument to be #2, especially when you compare the stats where, aside from arena rating, zywoo is better than m0nesy
He isn't #1. Sure he has had the highest peeks but he also has a smaller sample size compared to others due to his team skipping events. Monesy has shown better form consistently throughout the entire year and has been present through every major event in the game. It doesn't matter how hard you simp for donk, he simply isn't the goat. At least not yet, does he have the highest potential? Yes, but throughout the year Monesy was the better player.
@@Greyknight308so winning the major and getting mvp has no value to you? So stupid bro... Even without that, donk has better stats while using less team resources. Obviously donk #1. There's a reason almost nobody agrees with you
@@Greyknight308 you m0nesy fans are actually delusional, first off i didn't even say donk is the goat, s1mple is goat. You talk about consistency, and yes that's important but donks peaks are the literal highest peaks we have ever seen from an individual ever. And yes, Donk had 2 bad events, but in those events he played 9 maps total, and thats because when donk isn't carrying his team with a 1.3+ rating performance they lose, convincingly. m0nesy can have a few off maps and g2 can still win bc they have niko, hunter, and malbs. Get this in playoffs at prestige events this year donk had 1.01 KPR, and m0nesy had 0.79. The difference in their output in playoffs is like comparing m0nesy to hooxi who avgeraged 0.57 kpr his whole career. Oh btw in these playoffs im referencing, donk played 30 more rounds than m0nesy, 351 vs 317. Donk put up a 1.67 against faze in the major grand finals, the most important match of his career, m0nesy put up a 0.89 against that same faze clan, in what was, arguably, the most important match of his career. M0nesy and Niko have both been top 7 players for the past 2 years and haven't even seen a majors grand final. Donk just won major mvp in his rookie year.
You didn't actually bring up an argument for zywoo being #2. In fact you only brought up a reason for him to be #3 by bringing up arena stats. Monesy with 3 tournament wins and 3mvps and actually hard carrying his team in the half of the year puts him far ahead of zywoo. Zywoo played on easy mode all year, he was not better than Monesy. To deny that is to deny donk being #1 for actually showing in important moments and more consistently.
Taking Zywoo out of the conversation. Wtf, why ? Zywoo has by far the best rating, Cologne MVP and EPL MVP. mONESY has 1.27 to Zywoo 1.37 rating, worst rating vs top 20, 3 MVPs vs 2 Zywoo's MVPs, YES, but the number doesn't tell the whole story. Those 3 were: Dallas, Fall Finals and World Finals. In NO WAY are those tournaments comparable to Cologne, they compare mostly to an EPL. I mean, I'm fine having Zywoo at 3rd Place. To say he's out of the conversation, that's pure biased towards mONESY AND not knowing what you're talking about, I'm sorry. PS: 1st Major in Copenhagen mONESY carried, Zywoo did not. Shanghai Major, zywoo carrieed, mONESY did that. So, there's that
was away for the last few days so i'm only just watching, but good episode again. nero's a great guest to have, always happy to hear what he has to say also unrelated but your hair looks nice like this
Donk is clearly the goat because only the goat could draw out the takes that: you can statpad with the rifle in cs2, 2018 washed sk were actually really good, its more important to win a clutch twice a map than create a 5v4 advantage, 2024 shanghai is actually comparable to 2017 krakow, adding malbs to g2 wasnt that big of an addition because of vibes, spirit "skipped" events when they couldnt get visas for pro league, scene is weak, monesy spring finals doesnt count because of visas but donk cologne does even though every indication is team had internal issues, and the 30% of games you play in playoffs makes up for the 70% of games in the rest of the year
lmao yeah this podcast completely lost touch of reality and thorin is full of himself, he doesn't understand what wins rounds or maps. it's not clutches.
agree with everything else except: 1. I don't remember anyone saying malbs wasn't an important addition to g2. Thorin called it the move of the year in this podcast itself. 2. Thorin says m0nesy closes out the round, so he "prefers" him as a player. Besides, m0nesy also consistently wins clutches that are impossible for anyone else to win (so is donk's 1v5 imo). This point is better suited for people who think they can compare jL and ropz to donk because they win the odd clutch once a map. 3. The team having internal issues cannot be an argument in favour of donk when m0nesy's team changed an IGL, a rifler and won an event with Stewie2k and nexa of all people. 4. Playoffs will always matter more. Each arena game should hold at least 1.5x the weight of a studio game. Else, you get idiots putting ZyWoo in the conversation for #1 this year. The rest of your comment is very accurate and actually raises some very good points about the hypocrisy in the scene that I hadn't previously noticed. People (kassad) are lying through their teeth to discredit donk, or are actually delusional. I am happy with either of them winning #1, but I think donk has cemented his claim with the major. I just want a fair debate.
the scariest thing about donk this major revealed was that he is an insane clutcher too! before he just wouldn't be in the clutches but now that they shifted his roles slightly and made him a little more of a lurker and 2nd or 3rd one in, a whole new facet of his game was shown to the world. If he never loses motivation or gets into money and girls and whatever, it's gonna be one hell of a career. idk if he will go down as the goat, that's impossible to predict but man, what a way to start your career
thank you tech girl for listening to my suggestions of getting the number of episodes nice and even loved your work at the major, watched most of it by just catching up on your desk segments and they were both funny and insightful
Thank YOU for the suggestion. Glad we rounded it out - and now we can start 2025 with a recap of the last 10 episodes as well! So stoked you enjoyed the Major. We were so lucky to have such awesome games though. What a vibe!
I think in some sense it comes down to a debate about how kills are valued in Counterstrike is. We know that getting the initial 5v4 increases your chance of winning a round to around 75%. Clutching comes up way less often than getting the opening pick even if it does guarantee the round. I would say that getting the opener is a more reliable way to guarantee your team wins more rounds over the course of a game as compared to relying on clutching which is rare scenario. Monesy is a aberration in that regard however managing to win 1v1s in those scenarios 70% of the time. If we were to create some sort of stat to easily measure these things you would however still accumulate more round wins based off of consistent opener work as opposed to clutching in normal game scenarios. If we compare the opener numbers for both we find some interesting info. For example last 12 months on lan; Opening Attempts 20.9%, Opening Success 64.2%, Win% after opener 76.2% for Monesy; Opening Attempts 28.6%, Opening Success 55.9%, Win% after opener 75.1% for Donk. If we do a weighted comparison between attempt % and success % than we get a difference of Donk being about 16% more effective overall than Monesy which is a larger gap than I would have thought given the numbers. In other words Donk gets you into that 75% win chance scenario 16% more often than Monesy.
@@deadfromhell1235 It's more like 800~, but I was talking primarily about relative efficiency. One thing that is unique about Counterstrike is not everyone plays the same amount of games per season. This makes the question of analysis more difficult. Personally, I do not think using counting stats such a theoretical equivalent to baseball's war would work as well. Rather rate stats would be better if the number of games is at least somewhat comparable. Team difference plays a huge factor in the amount of games you are playing too.
To say that monesy is close this year to donk...... idk man what is going on here, maybe some sort of psyop to push zywoo from the top2 spot? Donk is far and above the best player this year and its not even close, any other opinion is straight up delusion. Donk solo carried 3.5 bums to a major win. Monesy couldn't get to the final with malbs niko hunter.
When you compare them player v player, not stat v stat or result v result, m0nesy is more clutch and more versatile. Its very close, because donk is the ONLY guy on the team set up to succeed. On g2 you have 4 stars playing their jobs, and m0nesy bailing them out isn't part of the job and he still does. there is a reason g2 wins against spirit every time.
@@singular9 The reason g2 wins vs spirit because its donk versus 5. Delusional as i said. Put monesy into spirit plus a avrg entry instead of donk. spirit doesn't qualify for kato, blast and probably loses in the rmr. Donk life games and still loses games quite handily the entire year, but he still solo carries many games only s1mple could compete with that. Monesy chokes the entire rmr and the stage part of the playoffs and still makes it into the semis. He didnt bail out anyone the entire rmr or arena phase of the major. Niko did, hunter did, even snax and malbs did. Monesy was just there being carried, during the most important game of his life, in the most probable major win team he will ever get, he choked. Talking about non tangible qualities, donk is THAT GUY, he does not feel pressure and still performs after he has a 0.36 bomb outs. So in your weak player vs player argument donk wins that argument handily. Also donk has shown that he can clutch, and its his first year. His game sense will only improve, his exprience on lan stages will increase and help him even more. So if ask who anyone would bet on to be the x factor in a winning line up, it can only be donk. Monesy in 3 years still has not proven that he an do that over an entire event. Zywooo has, donk has, S1mple has. Monesy still has to show a hyper carry performance like they did. also player v player, monesy baits alot, i know people dont like this being pointed out, but its true. talking about being set up, monesy has positions that are there for him to clutch. Donk doesnt get that luxury., he has to get killls and get traded or his rating tanks. Watch the mouz game for an example of that 0.36 rating. And watch monesy lose vs heroic on ancient. Monesy has almost no impact and he has a 1.2 rating. because he baits and goes for exit frags and saves all game. Also more clutch? he is clutch in groups and low stakes games. When it matters most he vanishes.
@@singular9 What? You are not making any sense 😂 If you take monesy out on G2 and replace him with any other awpers they’ll probably have the same results. If you take Donk out and replace him with any riflers this spirit team won’t be anything.
Totally agree with these two guys, this whole monesy donk debate makes no sense, at least for this year, donk was INSANELY more valuable than monesy to their respective teams. It’s not even a conversation, if donk somehow doesn’t get number 1 this year, hltv will lose all remaining pretenses of credibility
"zywoo is not in the conversation anymore". zywoo has best rating against top 20 on big events, most number mvp+evps, least number of average/bad events, has better stats than m0nesy in almost everything except arena rating and even has better thorin's "god stat" kpr. m0nesy is not contending for top 1 either. they are both contending for top 2 only
Zywoo underperformed in too many crucial moments, monesy was by far better in arenas, and has better stats in super-elite events as well (majors, kato cologne) ZywOo will be 3rd this year, because as good as Cologne is, it's just not enough. Not that it's bad by any means, those 3 are monsters.
@@miguel151420 Mickey mouse ? Lmao blast events are the best events after the super elites, especially world final. If there is any Mickey mouse award between the two it's zywoo's epl MVP, studio with no crowd lmao. Also please remind me who destroyed who in dallas final with stewie as stand in btw and nexa, and who did a masterclass of a nuke performance to choke the tournament
Thanks for the hours and hours of content through this year. As someone who works a job that doesn’t make Falcons money, it helped pass some time doing tasks and made the days more enjoyable. Looking forward to 2025 and more desk work from you as well. Happy new year!
fun fact: Thorin watches spirit so much he thinks chopper and zont1x are the regular b defenders on Dust 2 (source: his watch party of the final). Somehow the whole narrative about donk being wasted as the b player completely passed him by but to be fair, after getting destroyed by Furia Spirit seemed to have shifted his roles a bit and he basically played every position with chopper filling on b when donk played long or normal A. Gonna be interesting to see if they keep it like that or if donk goes back to the dedicated b/mid set up
One of the best years of CS as a viewer, the battle between Donk / Monesy / ZywOo, seeing Niko in form again, flashes of form from Ropz, etc. Excited for 2025
Great podcast. Regarding revisiting donk's games. Even in the highlights that many make after tournaments, whenever it comes to drive by moment the crosshair just moves differently. Similar to how s1mple used to jiggle after AWP shots, donk's micro control is is WAY above all other rifle players.
Poor Techgirl sits patiently waiting to get a word in, finally starts speaking and immediately gets cut off by Thorin. I'm sure she doesn't take it personally because she knows it's just how Thorin is but it is painfully rude sometimes. She needs to tell him straight to stfu sometimes.
He is annoying af i understand him doing it on his own podcast but to act like the main character and not let anyone else speak in other peoples shows is disrespectful af when its always the same with Thorin "btw the joke is" " i dont know if you know this" "you probably have not realized this" just stfu bro lol.
for the topic of faze players themselves changing on that third map it was very much real. all five of them- especially frozen and ropz, looked like totally different people on those player cams. there’s still definitely something there
Nani?!?! Techgirl did the work and rewatched every feed the trolls episodes to see what was predicted properly? 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Haha Great video 🫡 Very entertaining ❤
How's that conversation? donk is by far the best player in the world. His achievements and ratings and all with rifles make it so clear. #2 is ZywOo by far as well. How can 1.35 rated player be out of conversation and 1.27 rated player be in conversation? m0nesy is clearly not in the picture for #2
I don't really care what anybody says. Karrigan showing up this way, with what had just happened, is a confirmation of his greatness. I don't think I'll ever admire a competitor in CS more than him.
Team of the year is Spirit, they won big tournaments in the beginning, middle and end of the year (consistency), navi only won in the middle of the year...
People keep making the point of Falcons not getting invited unless they have the proper valve ranking from a core or certain players or whatever but doesnt every tournament also get to invite a team or two of their own chosing? If Falcons have a hype lineup they will just get those invites because they will bring in viewers who want to see the hype lineup (like s1mple bringing in huge viewer numbers to otherwise not hype games). Or if you want to be cynical they could just buy the invites somehow, they got the BLAST spot this year too. EDIT: ok they spoke about this right after my bad lol
its fun and all when thorin cuts people off but it gets very distracting when he does it every single time, I dont think nero managed to finished his point 1 single time in this episode ☹🤣🙃
Another good episode, but I'll have to say that taking ZywOo out of the conversation is a little unfair, imo he's the #2 for this year... The rating gap is too big between those two for monesy to be ahead with no prestige event under his belt!
@@TechGirlZA Donk's just a kid that loves CS and his friends. There's no world he'd leave for money at the moment, completely regardless of quantity. Like as someone who also grew up in Northern Russia the amount of money he has is good... He's set. So he can just keep playing with his best friends and enjoying the game. Also on that guy's point the more stars you put in the team the less an IGL matters. If you made the theoretical "Donk Monesy Zywoo Niko Karrigan" lineup Karrigan's just a liability there. Niko'll want to call half the time anyway then the other 3 all need huge amounts of leway on how they play. May as well just cut Karrigan and grab another aimstar. If you wanna go all-star I feel like you have to just fully commit to "we're dumb but we're always going to one-tap all of you so it doesn't matter"
@thorin stop talking over people! Let people finish their sentences, each time you just talk right over them. It's like this guy can't let anyone else make a point because he wants to be the one to make that particular point, instead of them. He does it on his own shows, but now also doing it on someone elses show, grow up.
To me the things glaive did outshine karrigans longevity. Defining how the game is played and leading a team to 4 majors a feat potentionally never to be recreated.
lmao pushing this blast merchat mayonese into donk conversation after shitting his pants in shanghai have some same..doing anything to hate on zywoo and bring this blast merchnat into top 2 conversation. top 2 of 2024 is donk and zywoo
The Donk vs Monesy debate boils down to these factors for me: Consistency at LAN's - M0nesy seems ever so slightly more consistent, not stat wise, but m0nesy's "lows" are ever so slightly higher, and its rare for him to underperform when the team is playing like crap. He really does seem like the s1mple/coldzera equivalent, where you could be down a man or two, and he will take crazy initiatives and make insane plays to pull the round back not just into G2's favor, but into his own favor, to keep fragging in the round. Donk, although definitely pushing the envelope higher than m0nesy, seems to fall off solely when the team is doing worse. doesn't have that ability to pull back a round through sheer will. If the round was set up correctly, even with the team being down, donk will deliver in the position he was put into by the playbook. M0nesy throws the playbook out the window, and makes up his own game, a lot like s1mple. M0nesy takes the edge here for me. Versatility - M0nesy is by far the most versatile player in the game right now. AWP skill is the best in the game, period. Rifle skill is also right up there with donk and niko. Pistols are great, just over all he delivers in a more diverse set of circumstances than donk. Donk is amazing at what he does best, and that is being the aggressive entry that doesn't die. But I would argue that donk is actually less versatile than even sh1ro. Donk is just the beginning of new age rifling, a lot like Rain still is, where he is strictly an AK / deagle player. He does not awp, he is not as good on galil, famas, low buy scenarios, etc. Its either he is delivering with the AK, or he isn't delivering at all. G2 though is like the king of low buy's, and m0nesy is just really good on any gun, comfortably transitioning between them mid round. M0nesy takes the edge here. Understandably though, the entire spirit system is played around donk, thus his impact, and his entrying is the best in the world, and thus if you solely measure a player by the percentage of rounds delivered, donk is higher than m0nesy, but again, m0nesy has other good players around him, and so does donk, but in donk's case the rest of the players are not given as much space and as much opportunities to hard carry. m0nesy is a hard carry type of player, but he doesn't need to be, especially after the addition of malbsmd. It makes no sense even comparing the two. Its a lot like people compared s1mple and device. Device is a different type of player than s1mple even when they were both "awpers". S1mple was more versatile, device fit better in with the team. m0nesy though, has the versatility of s1mple, but the team oriented game play of device. There is a reason niko was never #1 even when the stats and the the crazy highlights made you want to believe he was, especially since he also played exclusively deag/ak. Yes, donk elevates the rifler to even higher stats, but really, peak niko and peak donk are pretty much equal in my eyes, and neither should be #1 because they aren't as versatile, and that versatility turns into consistency as a PLAYER since you have to do more of more different things for your team. Donk is one dimensional. M0nesy is not. Thus by a very, very slight margin I would give m0nesy the edge. If you want to look at stats, then look at the clutches. In 2024, monesy had over 3x clutches, with almost 4x the success rate. I disagree that donk can "drive any car" 15:30. He only drives one car. M0nesy drives any car, he drives the slowest car, and pushes it up. Donk is playing the game as if its a video game, as if every match performance gives you elo or something. m0nesy is the best "esports" player in CS. Which is a big difference in my opinion. How many eco/exit frags does donk get vs monesy? How much does that skew the stats?
how do you just not consider donk having the best event ever, of which its a katowice, and then having the best major ever, while m0nesy won nothing prestigious? Everything you say is full yap, and then youre talking about clutches when clearly donk isnt a player that gets in them. And really? Peak niko is as good as peak donk? Not in this lifetime
only braindead and delusional schizos can think anyone else deserves nr1 spot this year besides donk. take your meds and stop hating on the kid who broke all the records in his rookie year.
True and valid but a good deal of those maps are from the first pro league (which is a stats farm tournament) and the first blast groups which donk missed. Even then, monesy still has significantly more maps played
Donk broke so many records this year. He has the stats and the numbers. Won major as MVP in his rookie year. Even tho I understand people don’t like him, he is the player of the year. No doubt.
doubting donk #1 is laughable
We are so back! Brilliant work at the major Sam, you killed it.
Aah man thank you. Appreciate the kind words
Greatness is hard to comprehend. If you don’t appreciate donk now then you’ll probably miss out with possibly the greatest career in cs history.
what a great comment. we are literally seeing the equivalent of a young Messi dropping once in a generation type performances on a consistent basis and somehow these people are trying to invent reasons on why it is not that impressive actually and that the most competitive year in counter strike history is actually not that difficult of a field and all the top teams peaking currently are actually just washed. it is so laughable. thank god the vast majority of talent actually sees what is happening and is embracing it.
Donk is definitely the #1. He's like s1mple reincarnated without the inflated ego XD. He carries his team to victory each time and hits 20+ kills every single time. His rookie year they win kato and a major and it's all thanks to him. Monesy has had niko his whole tier 1 carrier, no major. Donk has magixx, they win major. Shiro is good but he's not a game carrier. Also, donk doesn't mald at his team. He genuinely wants to help his team succeed and even gives up his ak mid round when low on hp. Donk is s1mple if s1mple wasn't a butthole.
My theory is that deep down Thorin sees s1mple reincarnated in m0nesy and it is (somewhat understandably) blinding his judgment because there is no way he is still considering that m0nesy might have been better than donk this year
Despite playing a significantly harder role and having a worst team, donk still cleared m0nesy by a great margin. This is not like the Messi/Ronaldo debate
Edit: I've just remebered of what is probably my favorite Thorin video "The Burden of the Solo Hard Carry" and I think he explays it perfectly there. If m0nesy is not the best player in the server G2 can still win, they have done so plenty of times this year. If donk is not the best player in the server there is no Team Spirit, in fact his team can still lose regardless of his inhuman performances
If we use the Messi/Ronaldo example, this is like if one of them played for Villareal instead of Barça/Real Madrid and despite that still outperformed the other guy and won the UCL and Copa del Rey for his team when they have no business doing so
yeah when thorin compared d0nk to zywoo like 3 months ago he made all the same points, and when it became donk vs monesy his role became less hard and impactful
there's a bit of recency bias here to be fair. You're forgetting that G2 was awful in the first half of the year, hunter was unbelievably shit and NiKo hadn't figured out CS2 yet. All success G2 had came from monesy hard carrying whereas in the first half, donk actually had support. Post mid season break, yeah, spirit fell apart, everything was on donk and G2 got massively better thanks to malbs and NiKo finding his game so in the end we remember donk carrying and monesy having help when both were in the same situation at different points. Maybe donk had to carry harder because even a "bad" niko is still niko after all but yeah.
I do agree that donk is easily the best player of the year for me and not because of stats but because when I watch him, I quite literally cannot believe my eyes. Never seen anything like him. Every time I watch him I think: yup, that's the best player in the world
plus monesy was just really underwhelming at the rmr and the major. But people are going too far in the other direction with him now. The gap between no1 and 2 is not as big as some might suggest
@@bretstiles345 this here exactly. People must have the memory of a goldfish because how can anyone forget how hard m0nesy was carrying in the first half of the year? NiKo, the supposedly GOAT rifler, couldn't break a 1.10 rating; huNter was absolutely arse, the team had no structure whatsoever, and he was still the best player at the Copenhagen major by quite some distance. He won an S-tier LAN with Stewie2k and nexa. The lineup with hooxi was pound for pound worse than Spirit is now. Shiro in the second half of the year was still better than NiKo in the first half. Again, donk has firmly secured #1 with this major performance, but people act like the comparison with m0nesy is ridiculous, which it really isn't. I would have been happy with either of them getting #1 tbh.
@@bretstiles345 The gap between 1 and 2 is bigger than between 2 and 3
Amazing work at the Major! but Nero's take on Monesy & Donk is hurting my brain Yes Monesy was the 2nd best player of the year but Donk CARRIED! most of the year at times. Monesy was the 2nd best player on his own team at times.... not the case for donk
Fantastic work at the Major, Sam, thank you!
I've just found out that Feed The Trolls is being released on Spotify too, so I'll likely watch on there, but I'll try to remember to like and comment on the RUclips for the algorithm
Thank you for the kind words. Feel free to watch or listen where ever.
Donk is clearly #1 this year. Unbelievable that there is even a conversation questioning that. The real debate is who deserves the #2 spot, and I’m kinda surprised zywoo is just being disregarded in this episode, even though I’d agree m0nesy is #2, I think zywoo has a really good argument to be #2, especially when you compare the stats where, aside from arena rating, zywoo is better than m0nesy
He isn't #1. Sure he has had the highest peeks but he also has a smaller sample size compared to others due to his team skipping events. Monesy has shown better form consistently throughout the entire year and has been present through every major event in the game. It doesn't matter how hard you simp for donk, he simply isn't the goat. At least not yet, does he have the highest potential? Yes, but throughout the year Monesy was the better player.
@@Greyknight308 Finally someone that talks sense and is not affected by recency bias, kudos to you sir
@@Greyknight308so winning the major and getting mvp has no value to you? So stupid bro... Even without that, donk has better stats while using less team resources. Obviously donk #1. There's a reason almost nobody agrees with you
@@Greyknight308 you m0nesy fans are actually delusional, first off i didn't even say donk is the goat, s1mple is goat. You talk about consistency, and yes that's important but donks peaks are the literal highest peaks we have ever seen from an individual ever. And yes, Donk had 2 bad events, but in those events he played 9 maps total, and thats because when donk isn't carrying his team with a 1.3+ rating performance they lose, convincingly. m0nesy can have a few off maps and g2 can still win bc they have niko, hunter, and malbs.
Get this in playoffs at prestige events this year donk had 1.01 KPR, and m0nesy had 0.79. The difference in their output in playoffs is like comparing m0nesy to hooxi who avgeraged 0.57 kpr his whole career. Oh btw in these playoffs im referencing, donk played 30 more rounds than m0nesy, 351 vs 317. Donk put up a 1.67 against faze in the major grand finals, the most important match of his career, m0nesy put up a 0.89 against that same faze clan, in what was, arguably, the most important match of his career. M0nesy and Niko have both been top 7 players for the past 2 years and haven't even seen a majors grand final. Donk just won major mvp in his rookie year.
You didn't actually bring up an argument for zywoo being #2. In fact you only brought up a reason for him to be #3 by bringing up arena stats. Monesy with 3 tournament wins and 3mvps and actually hard carrying his team in the half of the year puts him far ahead of zywoo. Zywoo played on easy mode all year, he was not better than Monesy. To deny that is to deny donk being #1 for actually showing in important moments and more consistently.
Taking Zywoo out of the conversation. Wtf, why ? Zywoo has by far the best rating, Cologne MVP and EPL MVP. mONESY has 1.27 to Zywoo 1.37 rating, worst rating vs top 20, 3 MVPs vs 2 Zywoo's MVPs, YES, but the number doesn't tell the whole story. Those 3 were: Dallas, Fall Finals and World Finals. In NO WAY are those tournaments comparable to Cologne, they compare mostly to an EPL. I mean, I'm fine having Zywoo at 3rd Place. To say he's out of the conversation, that's pure biased towards mONESY AND not knowing what you're talking about, I'm sorry. PS: 1st Major in Copenhagen mONESY carried, Zywoo did not. Shanghai Major, zywoo carrieed, mONESY did that. So, there's that
Glad you've decided to do one more before the end of the year. These are always a great watch.
Cheers!
was away for the last few days so i'm only just watching, but good episode again. nero's a great guest to have, always happy to hear what he has to say
also unrelated but your hair looks nice like this
Thanks for the videos. Looking forward to tuning in next year!
Donk is clearly the goat because only the goat could draw out the takes that: you can statpad with the rifle in cs2, 2018 washed sk were actually really good, its more important to win a clutch twice a map than create a 5v4 advantage, 2024 shanghai is actually comparable to 2017 krakow, adding malbs to g2 wasnt that big of an addition because of vibes, spirit "skipped" events when they couldnt get visas for pro league, scene is weak, monesy spring finals doesnt count because of visas but donk cologne does even though every indication is team had internal issues, and the 30% of games you play in playoffs makes up for the 70% of games in the rest of the year
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lmao yeah this podcast completely lost touch of reality and thorin is full of himself, he doesn't understand what wins rounds or maps. it's not clutches.
@@ThePaull3d a clutch literally means winning the round lmao
agree with everything else except:
1. I don't remember anyone saying malbs wasn't an important addition to g2. Thorin called it the move of the year in this podcast itself.
2. Thorin says m0nesy closes out the round, so he "prefers" him as a player. Besides, m0nesy also consistently wins clutches that are impossible for anyone else to win (so is donk's 1v5 imo). This point is better suited for people who think they can compare jL and ropz to donk because they win the odd clutch once a map.
3. The team having internal issues cannot be an argument in favour of donk when m0nesy's team changed an IGL, a rifler and won an event with Stewie2k and nexa of all people.
4. Playoffs will always matter more. Each arena game should hold at least 1.5x the weight of a studio game. Else, you get idiots putting ZyWoo in the conversation for #1 this year.
The rest of your comment is very accurate and actually raises some very good points about the hypocrisy in the scene that I hadn't previously noticed. People (kassad) are lying through their teeth to discredit donk, or are actually delusional. I am happy with either of them winning #1, but I think donk has cemented his claim with the major. I just want a fair debate.
@@daveauburn1561 yeah and you literally have 90 IQ because you dont understand anything except for the absolute obvious
the scariest thing about donk this major revealed was that he is an insane clutcher too! before he just wouldn't be in the clutches but now that they shifted his roles slightly and made him a little more of a lurker and 2nd or 3rd one in, a whole new facet of his game was shown to the world. If he never loses motivation or gets into money and girls and whatever, it's gonna be one hell of a career. idk if he will go down as the goat, that's impossible to predict but man, what a way to start your career
sh1ro taught him how to clutch
@@homelessathomelol no he knew before he even joined spirit
thank you tech girl for listening to my suggestions of getting the number of episodes nice and even
loved your work at the major, watched most of it by just catching up on your desk segments and they were both funny and insightful
Thank YOU for the suggestion. Glad we rounded it out - and now we can start 2025 with a recap of the last 10 episodes as well!
So stoked you enjoyed the Major. We were so lucky to have such awesome games though. What a vibe!
I think in some sense it comes down to a debate about how kills are valued in Counterstrike is. We know that getting the initial 5v4 increases your chance of winning a round to around 75%. Clutching comes up way less often than getting the opening pick even if it does guarantee the round. I would say that getting the opener is a more reliable way to guarantee your team wins more rounds over the course of a game as compared to relying on clutching which is rare scenario. Monesy is a aberration in that regard however managing to win 1v1s in those scenarios 70% of the time. If we were to create some sort of stat to easily measure these things you would however still accumulate more round wins based off of consistent opener work as opposed to clutching in normal game scenarios. If we compare the opener numbers for both we find some interesting info. For example last 12 months on lan; Opening Attempts 20.9%, Opening Success 64.2%, Win% after opener 76.2% for Monesy; Opening Attempts 28.6%, Opening Success 55.9%, Win% after opener 75.1% for Donk. If we do a weighted comparison between attempt % and success % than we get a difference of Donk being about 16% more effective overall than Monesy which is a larger gap than I would have thought given the numbers. In other words Donk gets you into that 75% win chance scenario 16% more often than Monesy.
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You are not taking into account that monesy has 1000 rounds more played than donk....
@@deadfromhell1235 It's more like 800~, but I was talking primarily about relative efficiency. One thing that is unique about Counterstrike is not everyone plays the same amount of games per season. This makes the question of analysis more difficult. Personally, I do not think using counting stats such a theoretical equivalent to baseball's war would work as well. Rather rate stats would be better if the number of games is at least somewhat comparable. Team difference plays a huge factor in the amount of games you are playing too.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year techgirl
Cant wait for feed the trolls in 2025!!
Have a good holiday!
@TechGirlZA ❤️
thanks for the content and Merry Xmas to you and your fam :) 60 more eps for 2025
Monesy is not even close to donk this year and the zywoo hate is insane
bro just straight up lying over here
How to spot someone who doesn't watch CS at all. donk will likely win but it's by the slimmest margin ever.
Wooooooo. Thanks for another banger! A troll like me have been waiting to be fed since major! Wooooo
Enjoy it! Hope it feeds the hunger.
Ropz was godly in the playoffs, he was on top form, so satisfying to watch
AGREED!
To say that monesy is close this year to donk......
idk man what is going on here, maybe some sort of psyop to push zywoo from the top2 spot?
Donk is far and above the best player this year and its not even close, any other opinion is straight up delusion.
Donk solo carried 3.5 bums to a major win. Monesy couldn't get to the final with malbs niko hunter.
When you compare them player v player, not stat v stat or result v result, m0nesy is more clutch and more versatile. Its very close, because donk is the ONLY guy on the team set up to succeed. On g2 you have 4 stars playing their jobs, and m0nesy bailing them out isn't part of the job and he still does. there is a reason g2 wins against spirit every time.
@@singular9 The reason G2 won against Spirit every match was hunter lifegaming and niko to some extent, it was never monsey styling on them….
@@singular9 The reason g2 wins vs spirit because its donk versus 5.
Delusional as i said. Put monesy into spirit plus a avrg entry instead of donk.
spirit doesn't qualify for kato, blast and probably loses in the rmr.
Donk life games and still loses games quite handily the entire year, but he still solo carries many games only s1mple could compete with that.
Monesy chokes the entire rmr and the stage part of the playoffs and still makes it into the semis.
He didnt bail out anyone the entire rmr or arena phase of the major. Niko did, hunter did, even snax and malbs did. Monesy was just there being carried, during the most important game of his life, in the most probable major win team he will ever get, he choked.
Talking about non tangible qualities, donk is THAT GUY, he does not feel pressure and still performs after he has a 0.36 bomb outs.
So in your weak player vs player argument donk wins that argument handily. Also donk has shown that he can clutch, and its his first year. His game sense will only improve, his exprience on lan stages will increase and help him even more.
So if ask who anyone would bet on to be the x factor in a winning line up, it can only be donk.
Monesy in 3 years still has not proven that he an do that over an entire event. Zywooo has, donk has, S1mple has. Monesy still has to show a hyper carry performance like they did.
also player v player, monesy baits alot, i know people dont like this being pointed out, but its true.
talking about being set up, monesy has positions that are there for him to clutch.
Donk doesnt get that luxury., he has to get killls and get traded or his rating tanks. Watch the mouz game for an example of that 0.36 rating.
And watch monesy lose vs heroic on ancient. Monesy has almost no impact and he has a 1.2 rating. because he baits and goes for exit frags and saves all game.
Also more clutch? he is clutch in groups and low stakes games. When it matters most he vanishes.
@@singular9 What? You are not making any sense 😂 If you take monesy out on G2 and replace him with any other awpers they’ll probably have the same results. If you take Donk out and replace him with any riflers this spirit team won’t be anything.
Totally agree with these two guys, this whole monesy donk debate makes no sense, at least for this year, donk was INSANELY more valuable than monesy to their respective teams. It’s not even a conversation, if donk somehow doesn’t get number 1 this year, hltv will lose all remaining pretenses of credibility
Thanks for spoiling us with hours and hours of great content this year
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Ngl
It sounded like you were saying poetry
Sounded so sick
So clean
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Yooo NER0's the perfect guest for this kind of discussion 🔥🔥🔥
And it is so rad because he was our first ever guest when we launched the podcast earlier this year!
"zywoo is not in the conversation anymore". zywoo has best rating against top 20 on big events, most number mvp+evps, least number of average/bad events, has better stats than m0nesy in almost everything except arena rating and even has better thorin's "god stat" kpr. m0nesy is not contending for top 1 either. they are both contending for top 2 only
Zywoo underperformed in too many crucial moments, monesy was by far better in arenas, and has better stats in super-elite events as well (majors, kato cologne) ZywOo will be 3rd this year, because as good as Cologne is, it's just not enough. Not that it's bad by any means, those 3 are monsters.
@@BootTheSystem and mONESY won Dallas and the Blast Mickey Mouse cups. How is that above Cologne and EPL MVP ?
@@miguel151420 Mickey mouse ? Lmao blast events are the best events after the super elites, especially world final. If there is any Mickey mouse award between the two it's zywoo's epl MVP, studio with no crowd lmao.
Also please remind me who destroyed who in dallas final with stewie as stand in btw and nexa, and who did a masterclass of a nuke performance to choke the tournament
@BootTheSystem World final where vitality reached the semis with JACKZ? where 8 teams play? Oh, you mean that one
@@miguel151420 yes exactly the semi final where monesy, the second best player in the world, destroyed ZywOo and cie yet again
Thanks for the hours and hours of content through this year. As someone who works a job that doesn’t make Falcons money, it helped pass some time doing tasks and made the days more enjoyable. Looking forward to 2025 and more desk work from you as well. Happy new year!
Thank you for the kind words - really appreciate you watching, especially when you’re busy.
fun fact: Thorin watches spirit so much he thinks chopper and zont1x are the regular b defenders on Dust 2 (source: his watch party of the final). Somehow the whole narrative about donk being wasted as the b player completely passed him by but to be fair, after getting destroyed by Furia Spirit seemed to have shifted his roles a bit and he basically played every position with chopper filling on b when donk played long or normal A. Gonna be interesting to see if they keep it like that or if donk goes back to the dedicated b/mid set up
turns out the real debate this year was never about #1 but it's a battle for no2 between mini s1mple and the Woo
Amazing work at the major!
Thank you so much 😊
Love the show, keep it up ❤
One of the best years of CS as a viewer, the battle between Donk / Monesy / ZywOo, seeing Niko in form again, flashes of form from Ropz, etc. Excited for 2025
Agree with all of it!
Please upload these to podcasts at the same time!!
Monesy has good rating bc hes an awper.... Put monesy on donk role and he crumbles... Its bigger to have more rating using rifle
Great episode!! Super curious what changes will be made in 2025
Me too, lots of questions.
Great podcast. Regarding revisiting donk's games. Even in the highlights that many make after tournaments, whenever it comes to drive by moment the crosshair just moves differently. Similar to how s1mple used to jiggle after AWP shots, donk's micro control is is WAY above all other rifle players.
Poor Techgirl sits patiently waiting to get a word in, finally starts speaking and immediately gets cut off by Thorin. I'm sure she doesn't take it personally because she knows it's just how Thorin is but it is painfully rude sometimes. She needs to tell him straight to stfu sometimes.
my first podcast with Thorin, holy shit can he shut up for a sec and not interrupt other people all the time? lmao
He is annoying af i understand him doing it on his own podcast but to act like the main character and not let anyone else speak in other peoples shows is disrespectful af when its always the same with Thorin "btw the joke is" " i dont know if you know this" "you probably have not realized this" just stfu bro lol.
for the topic of faze players themselves changing on that third map it was very much real. all five of them- especially frozen and ropz, looked like totally different people on those player cams. there’s still definitely something there
Agreed
what do you guys mean?
Nani?!?!
Techgirl did the work and rewatched every feed the trolls episodes to see what was predicted properly?
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Haha
Great video 🫡
Very entertaining
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Yeah nope but I did read the titles to jog my memory… does that count?
@TechGirlZA XD
Sure
I'll give you that
Haha
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How's that conversation? donk is by far the best player in the world. His achievements and ratings and all with rifles make it so clear.
#2 is ZywOo by far as well. How can 1.35 rated player be out of conversation and 1.27 rated player be in conversation? m0nesy is clearly not in the picture for #2
stats stats stats,I am an idiot
dont know about the finances of faze but if they can afford s1mple that could be fire
Great show, thx.
Glad you enjoyed it
I don't really care what anybody says. Karrigan showing up this way, with what had just happened, is a confirmation of his greatness. I don't think I'll ever admire a competitor in CS more than him.
AGREED
Nero looks more like jason lake every time he comes to this show
Awesome show!! Amazing major, happy holidays, wishing you all the best for 2025 :)
Team of the year is Spirit, they won big tournaments in the beginning, middle and end of the year (consistency), navi only won in the middle of the year...
I feel like Thorin does 30 podcasts a week
People keep making the point of Falcons not getting invited unless they have the proper valve ranking from a core or certain players or whatever but doesnt every tournament also get to invite a team or two of their own chosing? If Falcons have a hype lineup they will just get those invites because they will bring in viewers who want to see the hype lineup (like s1mple bringing in huge viewer numbers to otherwise not hype games). Or if you want to be cynical they could just buy the invites somehow, they got the BLAST spot this year too.
EDIT: ok they spoke about this right after my bad lol
-zontix +HObbit u get better fragging and a big secondary voice. plus it was somewhat known that HObbit made sh1ro very comfortable
am i cookin?
Curious
yeah replace a lurker prodigy with washed HObbit
@@homelessathome hobbit maintained better fragging and stats in the awpless c9 than zontix and is by far 1win's best player.
its fun and all when thorin cuts people off but it gets very distracting when he does it every single time, I dont think nero managed to finished his point 1 single time in this episode ☹🤣🙃
I dont think there's gonna be any FaZe changes, and if there is 1 max.
omgggg @thorin! Let the woman talkkk hahah! She cant get 10 words in before you interrupt her :) -- Also love the show TechGirl o/
WOOOO
ONE LAST RIDE (for 2024)
Hot take: we need MR15 back.
Hmmmm
Another good episode, but I'll have to say that taking ZywOo out of the conversation is a little unfair, imo he's the #2 for this year... The rating gap is too big between those two for monesy to be ahead with no prestige event under his belt!
Imagine Kerrigan donk monesy and topz, rain. That would be kinda crazy. Looool. The true falcon should have went after. Haha
Imagine. Don't see it happening though. Pretty sure donk will stay with a fully CIS team for awhile
@@TechGirlZA Donk's just a kid that loves CS and his friends. There's no world he'd leave for money at the moment, completely regardless of quantity. Like as someone who also grew up in Northern Russia the amount of money he has is good... He's set. So he can just keep playing with his best friends and enjoying the game.
Also on that guy's point the more stars you put in the team the less an IGL matters. If you made the theoretical "Donk Monesy Zywoo Niko Karrigan" lineup Karrigan's just a liability there. Niko'll want to call half the time anyway then the other 3 all need huge amounts of leway on how they play. May as well just cut Karrigan and grab another aimstar. If you wanna go all-star I feel like you have to just fully commit to "we're dumb but we're always going to one-tap all of you so it doesn't matter"
@thorin stop talking over people! Let people finish their sentences, each time you just talk right over them. It's like this guy can't let anyone else make a point because he wants to be the one to make that particular point, instead of them. He does it on his own shows, but now also doing it on someone elses show, grow up.
Is this the last vid of 2024 ? ☹️
Yes. Taking a little break!
wohoo
there should be a nip 2024 segment where all of you just laugh manically for 2 minutes and then do the next segment:))
Don't need to watch. Karrigan is the Goat confirmed.
You have good taste - confirmed!
I’m too tired to think of a comment and to ask ChatGPT to write one for me. So this is my comment.
I’ll take it
If frozen and magix had slightly better/ worse form respectively, it’d have been a Faze win :/
Frozen really shit the bed map 3
I mean, you can also say sh1ro choked hard in the finals, so one could see the magixx lifegame as a balancer
bro let the others talk
damn, let a man get some sleep
We almost had ropz graffiti 😢😢😢😢
Almost
To me the things glaive did outshine karrigans longevity. Defining how the game is played and leading a team to 4 majors a feat potentionally never to be recreated.
This is definitely a debate for a future episode
Tech so based on for taking ZywOo out of the conversation 😎
It is the m0NESY and donk show - we're just invited to watch
and for implying she would support whatever team Karrigan goes to... except Falcons 🤣🤣🤣
@@ventsiRI won’t forgive them for what they did to ENCE. I loved that lineup 😢
@@TechGirlZA Oh yes, mONESY won the prestige... Dallas and the Blast Mickey Mouse cups
lmao pushing this blast merchat mayonese into donk conversation after shitting his pants in shanghai have some same..doing anything to hate on zywoo and bring this blast merchnat into top 2 conversation. top 2 of 2024 is donk and zywoo
Donk have to win another major to confirm he is goat
The Donk vs Monesy debate boils down to these factors for me:
Consistency at LAN's - M0nesy seems ever so slightly more consistent, not stat wise, but m0nesy's "lows" are ever so slightly higher, and its rare for him to underperform when the team is playing like crap. He really does seem like the s1mple/coldzera equivalent, where you could be down a man or two, and he will take crazy initiatives and make insane plays to pull the round back not just into G2's favor, but into his own favor, to keep fragging in the round. Donk, although definitely pushing the envelope higher than m0nesy, seems to fall off solely when the team is doing worse. doesn't have that ability to pull back a round through sheer will. If the round was set up correctly, even with the team being down, donk will deliver in the position he was put into by the playbook. M0nesy throws the playbook out the window, and makes up his own game, a lot like s1mple. M0nesy takes the edge here for me.
Versatility - M0nesy is by far the most versatile player in the game right now. AWP skill is the best in the game, period. Rifle skill is also right up there with donk and niko. Pistols are great, just over all he delivers in a more diverse set of circumstances than donk. Donk is amazing at what he does best, and that is being the aggressive entry that doesn't die. But I would argue that donk is actually less versatile than even sh1ro. Donk is just the beginning of new age rifling, a lot like Rain still is, where he is strictly an AK / deagle player. He does not awp, he is not as good on galil, famas, low buy scenarios, etc. Its either he is delivering with the AK, or he isn't delivering at all. G2 though is like the king of low buy's, and m0nesy is just really good on any gun, comfortably transitioning between them mid round. M0nesy takes the edge here.
Understandably though, the entire spirit system is played around donk, thus his impact, and his entrying is the best in the world, and thus if you solely measure a player by the percentage of rounds delivered, donk is higher than m0nesy, but again, m0nesy has other good players around him, and so does donk, but in donk's case the rest of the players are not given as much space and as much opportunities to hard carry. m0nesy is a hard carry type of player, but he doesn't need to be, especially after the addition of malbsmd.
It makes no sense even comparing the two. Its a lot like people compared s1mple and device. Device is a different type of player than s1mple even when they were both "awpers". S1mple was more versatile, device fit better in with the team. m0nesy though, has the versatility of s1mple, but the team oriented game play of device. There is a reason niko was never #1 even when the stats and the the crazy highlights made you want to believe he was, especially since he also played exclusively deag/ak.
Yes, donk elevates the rifler to even higher stats, but really, peak niko and peak donk are pretty much equal in my eyes, and neither should be #1 because they aren't as versatile, and that versatility turns into consistency as a PLAYER since you have to do more of more different things for your team. Donk is one dimensional. M0nesy is not.
Thus by a very, very slight margin I would give m0nesy the edge. If you want to look at stats, then look at the clutches. In 2024, monesy had over 3x clutches, with almost 4x the success rate.
I disagree that donk can "drive any car" 15:30. He only drives one car. M0nesy drives any car, he drives the slowest car, and pushes it up.
Donk is playing the game as if its a video game, as if every match performance gives you elo or something. m0nesy is the best "esports" player in CS. Which is a big difference in my opinion. How many eco/exit frags does donk get vs monesy? How much does that skew the stats?
this is your least delusional donk hater. this is peak schizophrenia hahahahahahaha
Donk has better stats. More MVPs, won bigger events.
Get a brain biggest Major choker while donk Best Major perfomance Ever
how do you just not consider donk having the best event ever, of which its a katowice, and then having the best major ever, while m0nesy won nothing prestigious? Everything you say is full yap, and then youre talking about clutches when clearly donk isnt a player that gets in them. And really? Peak niko is as good as peak donk? Not in this lifetime
only braindead and delusional schizos can think anyone else deserves nr1 spot this year besides donk. take your meds and stop hating on the kid who broke all the records in his rookie year.
I hope HLTV takes the amount of games played into deciding world no1, because m0NESY has 51 games more than donk
True and valid but a good deal of those maps are from the first pro league (which is a stats farm tournament) and the first blast groups which donk missed. Even then, monesy still has significantly more maps played
Donk isn't the best.
Monesy
Zyw0o
Donk
meds
m0nesy is the better player because he has worse stats 🤣
Let's fucking goooo
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@@TechGirlZA i finished it too quickly now im out of cs content again, go for a couple more before new years? lol