Regardless of which is 'best', can we agree that the 90's era Honda's were truly the brand's golden age. From Cub to Goldwing, they literally had the class leader in every category...
I Loved your retro bike comparison. Hopefully more to come. I own a VFR750FR for over 22years now and it run over 100k miles. It has a lot of modifications undertaken e.g suspension upgrade (WP) dynojet mod. Full stainless steel exhaust system (Delkevic) Scorpion carbon exhaust. Hel brake lines. Heatergrips! Best mod ever. And more… Sometimes I I feel lonely on the road with all those GS’s these days. I love to talk to those riders about the VFR and tell them whats not on it….. ABS traction control fuel injection TFT and a lot more I guess. And yes, I still dare to ride it..
Bart, you're in luck there's another VFR video out this weekend. If you're not already subscribed push the subscribe button then you won't miss any new releases!
Nie jesteś sam poprostu ludzie nie doceniaja vfr750 wszyscy chcą nowy motor.pędza jak barany za tym co nowe. Sam obecnie posiadam 5 już vfr 750. 1995 roku Honda vfr to niesamowity motor. Jestem wielkim fanem rc36 do tego stopnia (uwierz lub nie)kiedyś mieszkałem w Bristolu (2008-2009) i nie miałem moto około 6-mcy,kupiłem na ebay vfr rc36 1990 w York za 275£ bez bocznego panela, pojechałem fordem escortem którego porzuciłem w krzakach z kluczykami aby odebrać hondę. Wracając zrobiłem ponad 500miles i powiem Ci że to był jeden z najlepszych pomysłów jaki zrealizowałem a było ich kilka odnośnie vfr.pozdrawiam posiadaczy VFR.
Thanks for a very thoughtful video. I own a 97 VFR and love it. A bit like you say in the video and comments, it feels faster than the engine power would suggest and it also feels a lot heavier than the weight would suggest. A brilliant all rounder as long as you aren't riding sub 5mph.
I constantly push my slow race skills on my 92 at every light and traffic clog. It certainly helps. When I am coming into hard turns, I have adapted with a strong downshift and/or front braking prior to load the weight on the front, amd it makes turns a lot more fun. Took a long time for me to train myself, but I am pretty happy now with my agility improvements. That was an area that I never considered too much with 2 previous bikes (77 XS650 & 79 XS750). After now reaching about 25k miles experience on my VFR in the last 3 years--my riding skills have dramatically improved and I can really open it up and enjoy the high performance the VFR750F is capable of. I do wish it could lose a good 40 lbs (*wish I could too though...).
I have owned both. With mentioning the white tank 900rr is a rare HRC paint scheme 😁 I wish you had gone a little bit more into the over engineered gear driven cam VFR engine but that aside, great video. This level of Honda will never be seen again. No ABS, No electronic aids, just man & machine. The 20 somethings have no clue what real motorcycles are all about
Enjoyed your thoughts on the bikes- I have a 97 Viffer and a 99 Blade and the two are so different in character that they are not really comparable. The VFR is my every day go anywhere, do anything bike and the Blade is a fun toy. The VFR is the keeper...
Glad you enjoyed the video both are great and splitting them almost impossible, the Blade just feels a little more special, but as you point out, the VFR is probably the better all round bike. Arguably the best all round bike of all time.
Great review, I've owned a few fireblades over the years including the 919, but never owned a VFR, I've found one on marketplace and I'm seriously considering buying it, thanks for the well thought out and informative information.
I had a Honda VFR-750 American version which is just a little different than the one you have in your video. One of the differences between the two is that the American version. The blinkers are not set into the faring like so your VFR are. But instead they put the blinkers on those usual black rubber mounts on each side of the bike. Kind of like your CBR 900RR has, but back then I bought a kit that I could put the blinkers. Pretty much in the same areas on your VFR. That and of course like you I put a bunch of aftermarket parts. On my VFR starting with of course a new exhaust system and then I had the front suspension revalved and a new rear shock setup for my riding style. I also did the same thing as you and put a better taller windshield on it. That really helped for those long rides because even though the VFR. Is a very comfortable touring type sport bike that can do or go just about anywhere anytime. It's the small little upgrades that can make a big difference between. Getting off and feeling like a Pretzel for the next hour like on something like your CBR. I know this because when I had my VFR, it was the second year for the Honda RC-51\RVT 1000 V-Twin. And my local Honda Motorcycle dealer happened to be a good friend of mine. He only could receive 5 of them each year and I wanted to wait until the first year. Before I pulled the trigger on buying one just in case there were some problems with them. Like Honda did with the first version of the VFR and having issues with the either the cams or something in the valve train. Anyway, back to what I was talking about with feeling like a Pretzel. After riding for a long time was exactly how I felt when I got off of my RC-51. And one of the reasons I originally bought my VFR was that it looked a lot like the Honda NR-750. That was my dream bike back in the day, but ended up being a huge failure. Because of the engine design having oval pistons and rings. But from what I have heard is that when a NR-750 was running perfectly. They had a maximum RPM of around some 14000 but was still low on Horse Power. By the way, when I had my Honda RC-51 I just had to put some aftermarket parts on it as well. I pretty much did the same thing as with my VFR but step it up a notch. And spent some big bucks on the suspension upgrades, not to mention the exhaust system and the HRC stage two performance upgrade package. Which included a new and much better rear swingarm, and some internal engine parts. My riding buddy had a motorcycle performance shop. Which included a Dynometer that we put my RC-51 on while it was still in stock condition. It pulled around 128 HP during the three test runs we did on it. After I had my local Honda shop install the HRC stage two performance upgrade package on it. I probably could have done it with my riding buddy at his shop. But I wanted to keep the warranty and the only way to do that. Was to have a authorized Honda shop install it. But afterwards we put it back on my friends Dyno and now it pulled a good 142 HP. Man was it fun to ride on track days where I could really open it up!!!
142hp on an RC51 is more than respectable! I only rode one once (did a swap on a rideout with a friend) and loved it, but at the time I couldn't afford one unfortunately. The RC36 though is such a great all rounder. I do have some further improvements planned (see my little shorty vid on that) and the plan is to take the VFR to the TT 2024. Thank you for your comments Melissa I enjoyed reading them.
great comparing and good points on all. I have a 92 VFR in black and, my brother--it is gorgeous compared to either all red or the crazy confetti color scheme on the Fireblade. That said--I would miss the wind protection on the legs, but love to feel the difference in lightweight handling and power of the Blade. Perhaps I will find room in the garage for one sometime soon. All black would be a nice match for ol' Darth VFR!! Congrats on owning 2 amazing bikes. ✌️
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these 2 machines, i found it really informative !, i own a 2001 Blade & a 95 & a 91 vfr, all great bikes in their own rights, the blade i have to say has the edge in terms of power, agility & a deep storage space under the pillion seat, keep them coming, love them all ❤️👌🏻🏍️💨
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Two lovely bikes, i think you have the best blade in the best colour. I had the 5th gen vfr800fi...great bike but heavy and over complicated to work on. I now own a CBR900RRX and absolutely love it in every way.
So interesting this comparison! Btw, it's not the first time you're talking about super sport bikes in front of a graveyard😂. I guess that's just pure coincidence 😊. Thanks for this great video.
Nice bikes ,love you're videos 🎉,I'm struggling between 3 bikes vfr rc 36 ,the fireblade ,and a suzuki 750 srad,but I must say the vfr is leading🎉🎉 greetings from holland
You just cost me £2k but i feel it may be the best 2k i ever spent. Bought a beautiful 97 rc36 model. If its anything like as enjoyable as the RC30 I had 28 years ago I'll be very happy. Really good intelligent review, thanks.
Interesting video, it’s always good to hear other opinions.. I have a ‘99 Fireblade, and 6 other 90s era sport bikes.. But I just had delivered yesterday, a totally original 1991, VFR750 with 14k miles, in white (I wanted a white one 😊).. But as I haven’t ridden it yet (thank you UK weather 🌧️) I can’t make a comparison. I’ve had my Blade 5 years, and it’s a great bike..but I haven’t bonded with it as I have my other bikes. It’s a typical Honda, it does most things well. And even after 25 years, it’s still doing things well, even though modern fuels are determined to bugger those things up. I have just refitted the carbs after cleaning.. & boy were they horrible.. Ethanol 👎🏼 I am looking forward to putting some miles on the VFR. I may then return back to this video with a better understanding of both. Cheers for the video 👍🏼
Nice channel, curious which one I will rate higher, I own a VFR 750 1995 and last Saturday I test drove and bought a Fireblade 1999 blue/white/gold. I thought it would be nice to own a 90's Fireblade for once after previously owning a Blackbird 1996 and now the VFR 750. For me the VFR 750 beats the Blackbird, more agile, V4 sound, more sport than tour, livelier and more character. After the test drive, the Fireblade already beats the VFR 750 and Blackbird on maneuverability and appearance, curious about the rest. Also test drove a 1995 Fireblade with superbike handlebars and lower footpegs, felt even more comfortable than my VFR, but technically and visually not as good as the 1999 Fireblade.
The Blades got a lot more practical as the 90s went on. Ideally you'd have the VFR (for longer rides or when it's less favourable conditions) and Blade for the sunny day rides.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have quoted wheel bhp for the VFR,and crank bhp for the blade.....I'm sure it's atleast 105 bhp for the 750 as a direct comparison to the 900. Good video,thanks for the upload
Hey i have a honda vfr 750 f rc 24 from 1986 and i love it the best bike in the word nothing come close to the honda vfr the best bike ever made in the hole world its my opinion
I own the same VFR, but a MK1 FireBlade. I personally look upon them as very different motorcycles, with the blade my choice if I want to go a bit mad, but the Veeeefa my go to machine for a comfortable more relaxed ride.
I have both the same models. Pretty much all the same views as yours except I much prefer the fireblade. Its a huge win for the blade on my eyes. Its supposed to be a sports bike but compared to modern sports bikes it so comfortable and nice to ride. The vfr is just sooooo heavy even if the gearbox and clutch are way better. I swear its way heavier than quoted. I also feel the fireblade is lighter than my R1s. It would be great to actually weigh them to compare. Ps great video but a little constructive critisism, a few less (erm's) in your talks would be better 😊
fireblade , are you considering the airbox mod on it? its very effective the gearbox yes could be better, when coming to a halt be sure you downshift before. could try different oil. i am switching to motul. have to try it out . will let you know.
Having also ridden both of the above mentioned bikes, I’ve owned a 97 Vfr same colour as yours since the last 6 years.Here’s a list of the changes made; 🟢 Sbk Handlebars 🟢 „GeL“ seat insert 🟢 YSS rear shock 🟢 Progressive fork-springs 🟢 V-Trec hand Levers You’re feeling good and hardly tyred after long hauls. I’m using Hepco Becker Journey (42Lit each side!!!) for hard luggage when touring. Positively unrecognizable after the above mentioned changes. My back hurts after 60mins of riding the Blade, a Vfr‘s got more long distance sympathy 😉 Thanks for an informative review…
I don't think you should ask which is best, just which suites you best. I've got a 93 ( and a blackbird and zzr14)) blade and it's a load of fun to ride because it really doesn't have that much power. To go fast you really have to wring it's neck. If I ride it like a complete hooligan, I'm still slower than riding the BB or 14 moderately sensibly. One thing I will argue with is MPG, on mine pushing on, on my own, I get 55mpg and with another bike around 60...Best advice I'd say, of the two get the one that does it for you.
Had the rrt blade and it was a weapon on the road. Weaknesses included fragile 2nd gear and a propensity for eating steering head bearings due to ease of wheelying😆. Economical and would tour at 60mpg (measured) commute (commuted daily on mine) and wipe the floor with most bikes of the day until the aprilia mille rsvr came along. Great bike. Reliable, fast and great fun.
@@blueyondermoto early blades that were tracked or raced generally had gearbox failures. It was less about being clunky (many bikes were) but it was a weakness in the design. 2nd would often strip if put under repeated stress. The Aprilia mille’s were one of the few bikes so well put together that they could be taken off the road and raced without any mods other than a filter and pipe. They were utterly bomb proof and ran rings around many other superbikes . Later blades got better but first three generations had an iffy gearbox. Mine occasionally jumped out of second but remained reliable. Remember mine with fondness even if it lacked enough character to make me want to keep it. Had it a good few years. Tyre choice was important. 16 inch front had a habit of tucking in a bit too rapidly with poor tyre choice. I ran mine with pirellis. It could also encourage tank slappers if rear suspension wasn’t well set up allowing front to get too flighty. Setting correct rear sag (15mm or so) and softening preload and compression damping a little helped but a steering damper would have been welcomed too.
I had a monoshck VFR750, it was stolen, I tested a CBR900 as a possible replacement. I took along my girlfiend (who was lightweight and very practiced pillion). Lesson learnt... You put a girl on the pillion and the CBR is completely unstable. I just touched a puddle in the road in a corner and it went sideways. Yes it has amazing handling and I could catch that and spend a fair amount of the time on the back wherel (not the best way to corner). I live in France and do long distances touring with Girl on the back and baggage thrown over VFR does that VERY well. Solo, without baggage it is still fast compared with 99% that you will meet on the road. On my current VFR800 I came up behinf a brand new 911 softop who was reving and bullying traffic. I slipped in behind him and out of a roundabout Screamed npast him at 12 000 RPM. He didn't know what hit him. It is fast enough in these times of Radar.
omg, owned that 1996 VFR. for about 10 years. Smashed by someone passing on the right. I loved that cycle. Never wanted anything else. The red-line was 11.5?
Well, I find myself here again. We seem to share the same taste in bikes… truly the Golden Age of Honda. I own the exact same model VFR and the slightly earlier SC28 Blade, and I would agree with you on most points. Both truly great bikes that hold their own in the modern world. Honda’s build quality from that era was jewel-like. If I had to keep only one, it’d be the Blade, as I have the iconic Urban Tiger color scheme, and it still has that snarling, squat presence. To keep one purely for riding, I think it would be the VFR, as it is that bit more comfortable and refined for my ageing bones and back nowadays, but can still hitch up its skirt, accompanied by that V4 symphony. An interesting design feature of the VFR was that the fairing was designed to look like a Samurai helmet from the front. Could I ask what brand that tasteful carbon can is, as well? Keep up the good work.
Hi Roger, welcome back to channel for men of a certain age! 😀 yes you're clearly on the same page. Great fact about the Samurai helmet! The carbon can is an SP Engineering Trioval and its ace!
I’ve god a 1996 ‘blade and love it, but very intrigued by the VFR (had an NC30 before). Is the seat hump standard / Honda? Never seen a VFR with one, and looks ace,so much better than the big double seat
Lots of owners lose them so not many out there with a genuine hump. I've got the detachable grab handles for it also. Lots of useful detailed thinking was put into the VFR ....when Honda did things the right way all the time. Take a look at my "300 miles" video of the VFR also.
Maybe I'm the only one to think this but the subject seems it bit like saying "which is best, jaguar or a land rover"? I've owned both and I've toured on both and done track days on both, the vfr is hands down the best tourer and the blade is the best track tool. Surely a better comparison would've been "which is best, a VTR 1000SP2 or a fireblade"?
Good video mate how ever you say you can get 160 miles to the tank I have owned 3 vfr750 and I can tell you that 200 miles is easily available fully luggaged up touring across Europe
VFR tank range : I’m getting 207 to the fuel light then 30 more to empty so your figure of 160 is very low. I just did a run up to Wales and back 240 miles each way and the fuel light came on at 207 and 208 miles
I've just had a look for you I attach the link. I don't think my "double bubble" style is available anymore, just a "touring" flip screen. My advice would be to message them to ask. Show them the video if needed to identify which screen you are looking for. (Hope you have liked and subscribed! 😄) www.powerbronze.co.uk/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?finder_id=1&category_id=2&brand=HONDA&model=VFR750F&year=1996
The reason you find i hard to find neutral on your fireblade is because of your clutchbasket is worn. I had the same problem on my 97 fireblade and after a new outer and inner basket, it's perfect again. The only problem is - there is no new baskets to buy, so u can use a file to make it smooth again.
Got a vfr just in black. Was looking for a blade for that extra kick. But i think ill stick with vfr , powerfull enough to take you to Jesus 😂 and an engine which is nearly unbreakable🎉. Any idea if there is a cbr engine at tough as the vfr 🤔 Thnx for a gr8 video.lovely bikes both Cheers from Denmark
I would avoid the VFR purely on the unreliability of the electrical charging system. If you’re prepared to upgrade the rectifier and get uprated charging system cabling they are great bikes. Otherwise they can leave you on the side of the road with alarming regularity. Flawed masterpiece.
I've never had any charging issues (but there is an upgrade RR fitted and all the connectors are good) but you're right, some other owners haven't been so lucky.
@blueyondermoto Ah ok, I'm buying a Blade this weekend but it seems like it fits somewhere between this model and then 954, almost like a facelifted SC33? I think it's a '98.
@blueyondermoto I did some digging, the call it an RR-X model but its still SC33. I'm in love with the pictures of it, can't wait to get my hands on it haha. Great video man, subbed!
Hi Patrick, I think you'll find that's about the wet weight and from my pushing it around weight indicator thar feels about right.. www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/honda/vfr750/1995/
the Fireblade has a much better "luggage trunk" under the seat.. opends with the key and the passengerseat pops open with room for your lock/gloves etc. the vfr has nothing realy. i had a blade like that and i have a vfr like that now. i do miss my blade. theyr both good bikes. the estatic finish on the vfr is exelent though.. with its passenger hump and indicators build into the fairing. personally i loved the blade better. but the fuelgauge and clock, more comfortable seating position turn out to be very convieniënt.
Thanks Daniel. I wanted to keep this video as simple and high-level as possible, plus there is always a danger of the video being too long! However, it's an interesting idea for a follow up video.
lol the 900 RR isnt even in the same class the VFR 750 is just a sport tourer with a bit more on the sport side but it just didn't have the power most of the other sport bikes had of the time. An updated VR750 interceptor from the 80s Honda just didn't put more sport into the bike I think due to they have the CBR line for that .Now I like the v four hell I really like the 800 VFR but the VFR just didn't have the power that a lot of the other sport bikes had at the time the VFR is more of a long huge ride or ride to work bike the 900 RR is more of a race around on the weekend sport bike take it to the twisty roads or a track day
I couldn't decide what I liked so I took a vfr and 900rr and married them together. Every thing in front of the engine is 900rr everything behind is a vfr 😂
You can compare anything against anything. Both are classic Hondas from the same era, both have their strengths and weaknesses. As I say at the end of the video ...if I could have only one which would it be?
@blueyondermoto here in the Netherlands you can..I can mail the ads iff you don't believe me..what do you pay in the UK for those 2? Mabey we can make money,bro
@blueyondermoto 2200 is easy 800 vfr easy as well over here...for me it was also unbelievable...I go for a supermoto because here in the Netherlands you can't race anymore
Regardless of which is 'best', can we agree that the 90's era Honda's were truly the brand's golden age. From Cub to Goldwing, they literally had the class leader in every category...
Absolutely Paul
90% agree. The 80s Magnas were much cooler and nicer than the 90s Magnas. As someone with a 95 Magna, its super apparent that its a cost cut bike.
I Loved your retro bike comparison. Hopefully more to come. I own a VFR750FR for over 22years now and it run over 100k miles. It has a lot of modifications undertaken e.g suspension upgrade (WP) dynojet mod. Full stainless steel exhaust system (Delkevic) Scorpion carbon exhaust. Hel brake lines. Heatergrips! Best mod ever. And more…
Sometimes I I feel lonely on the road with all those GS’s these days. I love to talk to those riders about the VFR and tell them whats not on it….. ABS traction control fuel injection TFT and a lot more I guess. And yes, I still dare to ride it..
Bart, you're in luck there's another VFR video out this weekend. If you're not already subscribed push the subscribe button then you won't miss any new releases!
Nie jesteś sam poprostu ludzie nie doceniaja vfr750 wszyscy chcą nowy motor.pędza jak barany za tym co nowe. Sam obecnie posiadam 5 już vfr 750. 1995 roku
Honda vfr to niesamowity motor.
Jestem wielkim fanem rc36 do tego stopnia (uwierz lub nie)kiedyś mieszkałem w Bristolu (2008-2009) i nie miałem moto około 6-mcy,kupiłem na ebay vfr rc36 1990 w York za 275£ bez bocznego panela, pojechałem fordem escortem którego porzuciłem w krzakach z kluczykami aby odebrać hondę.
Wracając zrobiłem ponad 500miles i powiem Ci że to był jeden z najlepszych pomysłów jaki zrealizowałem a było ich kilka odnośnie vfr.pozdrawiam posiadaczy VFR.
Thanks for a very thoughtful video. I own a 97 VFR and love it. A bit like you say in the video and comments, it feels faster than the engine power would suggest and it also feels a lot heavier than the weight would suggest. A brilliant all rounder as long as you aren't riding sub 5mph.
Spot on that walking speed clumsiness needs your full attention.
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I constantly push my slow race skills on my 92 at every light and traffic clog. It certainly helps. When I am coming into hard turns, I have adapted with a strong downshift and/or front braking prior to load the weight on the front, amd it makes turns a lot more fun. Took a long time for me to train myself, but I am pretty happy now with my agility improvements. That was an area that I never considered too much with 2 previous bikes (77 XS650 & 79 XS750). After now reaching about 25k miles experience on my VFR in the last 3 years--my riding skills have dramatically improved and I can really open it up and enjoy the high performance the VFR750F is capable of. I do wish it could lose a good 40 lbs (*wish I could too though...).
I now own my second VFR750FV, and there great. I think the only winner there is you for owning both bikes.
Lucky boy.
Couldn't agree more Geoffrey. We've both got the best of the Viffers!
I have owned both. With mentioning the white tank 900rr is a rare HRC paint scheme 😁
I wish you had gone a little bit more into the over engineered gear driven cam VFR engine but that aside, great video. This level of Honda will never be seen again. No ABS, No electronic aids, just man & machine. The 20 somethings have no clue what real motorcycles are all about
Couldn't agree more, analogue bikes are purest riding for me, it's all down to the rider.
@@blueyondermoto plus the 16” front wheel… I love it. Throws a lot of “hardcore” riders off which I love 😀a bad workman blames his tools
Enjoyed your thoughts on the bikes- I have a 97 Viffer and a 99 Blade and the two are so different in character that they are not really comparable. The VFR is my every day go anywhere, do anything bike and the Blade is a fun toy. The VFR is the keeper...
Glad you enjoyed the video both are great and splitting them almost impossible, the Blade just feels a little more special, but as you point out, the VFR is probably the better all round bike. Arguably the best all round bike of all time.
Great review, I've owned a few fireblades over the years including the 919, but never owned a VFR, I've found one on marketplace and I'm seriously considering buying it, thanks for the well thought out and informative information.
You're welcome Ghosty. Classic 90s VFRs are ridiculously undervalued.
Really good vid this mate 👌 I own a 1995 sc28 fireblade and my brother has just today bought a 1996 rc36 vfr750! It's going to be a fun summer!!
Glad you enjoyed it Jim. Have a great summer riding.
@@blueyondermoto thank you buddy and you!
That was relly well done and entertaining, you done well on describing the merits of both machines, but I'm gonna stick with my vfr
Whichever one you have, it's a winner.
I had a Honda VFR-750 American version which is just a little different than the one you have in your video.
One of the differences between the two is that the American version. The blinkers are not set into the faring like so your VFR are.
But instead they put the blinkers on those usual black rubber mounts on each side of the bike.
Kind of like your CBR 900RR has, but back then I bought a kit that I could put the blinkers.
Pretty much in the same areas on your VFR. That and of course like you I put a bunch of aftermarket parts. On my VFR starting with of course a new exhaust system and then I had the front suspension revalved and a new rear shock setup for my riding style.
I also did the same thing as you and put a better taller windshield on it. That really helped for those long rides because even though the VFR.
Is a very comfortable touring type sport bike that can do or go just about anywhere anytime.
It's the small little upgrades that can make a big difference between. Getting off and feeling like a Pretzel for the next hour like on something like your CBR.
I know this because when I had my VFR, it was the second year for the Honda RC-51\RVT 1000 V-Twin.
And my local Honda Motorcycle dealer happened to be a good friend of mine.
He only could receive 5 of them each year and I wanted to wait until the first year.
Before I pulled the trigger on buying one just in case there were some problems with them.
Like Honda did with the first version of the VFR and having issues with the either the cams or something in the valve train.
Anyway, back to what I was talking about with feeling like a Pretzel. After riding for a long time was exactly how I felt when I got off of my RC-51. And one of the reasons I originally bought my VFR was that it looked a lot like the Honda NR-750.
That was my dream bike back in the day, but ended up being a huge failure. Because of the engine design having oval pistons and rings.
But from what I have heard is that when a NR-750 was running perfectly. They had a maximum RPM of around some 14000 but was still low on Horse Power.
By the way, when I had my Honda RC-51 I just had to put some aftermarket parts on it as well. I pretty much did the same thing as with my VFR but step it up a notch.
And spent some big bucks on the suspension upgrades, not to mention the exhaust system and the HRC stage two performance upgrade package.
Which included a new and much better rear swingarm, and some internal engine parts.
My riding buddy had a motorcycle performance shop. Which included a Dynometer that we put my RC-51 on while it was still in stock condition. It pulled around 128 HP during the three test runs we did on it.
After I had my local Honda shop install the HRC stage two performance upgrade package on it. I probably could have done it with my riding buddy at his shop.
But I wanted to keep the warranty and the only way to do that. Was to have a authorized Honda shop install it.
But afterwards we put it back on my friends Dyno and now it pulled a good 142 HP.
Man was it fun to ride on track days where I could really open it up!!!
142hp on an RC51 is more than respectable! I only rode one once (did a swap on a rideout with a friend) and loved it, but at the time I couldn't afford one unfortunately.
The RC36 though is such a great all rounder. I do have some further improvements planned (see my little shorty vid on that) and the plan is to take the VFR to the TT 2024.
Thank you for your comments Melissa I enjoyed reading them.
great comparing and good points on all. I have a 92 VFR in black and, my brother--it is gorgeous compared to either all red or the crazy confetti color scheme on the Fireblade. That said--I would miss the wind protection on the legs, but love to feel the difference in lightweight handling and power of the Blade.
Perhaps I will find room in the garage for one sometime soon. All black would be a nice match for ol' Darth VFR!!
Congrats on owning 2 amazing bikes. ✌️
Thanks, I always liked the bronze colour option on the 98/99 bike.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these 2 machines, i found it really informative !, i own a 2001 Blade & a 95 & a 91 vfr, all great bikes in their own rights, the blade i have to say has the edge in terms of power, agility & a deep storage space under the pillion seat, keep them coming, love them all ❤️👌🏻🏍️💨
Really pleased that you liked the video, feedback is always good but positive even more so 😄. If you haven't subbed yet please do the click! Cheers, Alan
RC36 was my favourite bike when I was young. I still love them.
They are still great bikes. I'm taking mine on a very long 250+ miles day ride this Easter. It will be interesting to see how it copes!
Two lovely bikes, i think you have the best blade in the best colour. I had the 5th gen vfr800fi...great bike but heavy and over complicated to work on. I now own a CBR900RRX and absolutely love it in every way.
Thanks SuperKotaa. If you see my 5 things I hate video of the VFR, I say pretty much the same about the VFR.
So interesting this comparison! Btw, it's not the first time you're talking about super sport bikes in front of a graveyard😂. I guess that's just pure coincidence 😊. Thanks for this great video.
That location has nice quiet neighbours 😂.
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@@blueyondermoto Haha, yes subscribed couple of days ago. Great channel.
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@Peter-Alexander don't forget the dog! Many thanks, Peter
Nice bikes ,love you're videos 🎉,I'm struggling between 3 bikes vfr rc 36 ,the fireblade ,and a suzuki 750 srad,but I must say the vfr is leading🎉🎉 greetings from holland
Cheers Roy. You can't go far wrong with any of those.
I bought myself a vfr ,the Same ,very nice bike and wow wow wow ,that thing sounds amazing...I've got a scorpion damper on it 🎉, really lovely bike
@@roywolgenwolgen4978 congratulations 🎊 a great choice! There's a new VFR video out this weekend, I'm sure you will like!
Had both the rrv & rrw loved them both. Enjoying a zx12 and v2 tuono at the moment but still miss my old carb blades, might have to get another😂
The big Z is a thirsty beast! The V2 Tuono ❤️
105 hp in motor, around 91-94hp backwheel stock with a exhaust around 97-100 hp Vfr✊🔥
You just cost me £2k but i feel it may be the best 2k i ever spent. Bought a beautiful 97 rc36 model. If its anything like as enjoyable as the RC30 I had 28 years ago I'll be very happy. Really good intelligent review, thanks.
James, you said it, it WILL be the best £2k you've spent. You will probably want to tweak it here and there but you will love it the more you ride it.
Even though I'm nudging 65 !!
@jamesfox1514 age is no barrier!
I love "old" Hondas. They age so well
When Honda over engineered their bikes.
Interesting video, it’s always good to hear other opinions.. I have a ‘99 Fireblade, and 6 other 90s era sport bikes.. But I just had delivered yesterday, a totally original 1991, VFR750 with 14k miles, in white (I wanted a white one 😊).. But as I haven’t ridden it yet (thank you UK weather 🌧️) I can’t make a comparison.
I’ve had my Blade 5 years, and it’s a great bike..but I haven’t bonded with it as I have my other bikes. It’s a typical Honda, it does most things well. And even after 25 years, it’s still doing things well, even though modern fuels are determined to bugger those things up. I have just refitted the carbs after cleaning.. & boy were they horrible.. Ethanol 👎🏼
I am looking forward to putting some miles on the VFR. I may then return back to this video with a better understanding of both.
Cheers for the video 👍🏼
You're welcome, you will find a big difference in the two. The VFR though is under estimated as a "soft" sports bike. Enjoy it.
Nice channel, curious which one I will rate higher, I own a VFR 750 1995 and last Saturday I test drove and bought a Fireblade 1999 blue/white/gold.
I thought it would be nice to own a 90's Fireblade for once after previously owning a Blackbird 1996 and now the VFR 750.
For me the VFR 750 beats the Blackbird, more agile, V4 sound, more sport than tour, livelier and more character.
After the test drive, the Fireblade already beats the VFR 750 and Blackbird on maneuverability and appearance, curious about the rest.
Also test drove a 1995 Fireblade with superbike handlebars and lower footpegs, felt even more comfortable than my VFR, but technically and visually not as good as the 1999 Fireblade.
The Blades got a lot more practical as the 90s went on. Ideally you'd have the VFR (for longer rides or when it's less favourable conditions) and Blade for the sunny day rides.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have quoted wheel bhp for the VFR,and crank bhp for the blade.....I'm sure it's atleast 105 bhp for the 750 as a direct comparison to the 900.
Good video,thanks for the upload
Watching this one, long form. My style. Makes me feel like i am learning something
Well that's good to know. 👍
That VFR is the best version of the best bike ever made .. such wonderful engine breaking ..
Best looking one too.
Hey i have a honda vfr 750 f rc 24 from 1986 and i love it the best bike in the word nothing come close to the honda vfr the best bike ever made in the hole world its my opinion
Difficult to disagree with that.
TT 🏁🏁🏁 Philip mcalan
I own the same VFR, but a MK1 FireBlade. I personally look upon them as very different motorcycles, with the blade my choice if I want to go a bit mad, but the Veeeefa my go to machine for a comfortable more relaxed ride.
Pretty much the same as me Patrick.
Funny, my fireblade is used when I want a relaxing cruise! 🤣
I have a bonkers R1 I use for going mad
I have both the same models.
Pretty much all the same views as yours except I much prefer the fireblade.
Its a huge win for the blade on my eyes.
Its supposed to be a sports bike but compared to modern sports bikes it so comfortable and nice to ride.
The vfr is just sooooo heavy even if the gearbox and clutch are way better.
I swear its way heavier than quoted.
I also feel the fireblade is lighter than my R1s.
It would be great to actually weigh them to compare.
Ps great video but a little constructive critisism, a few less (erm's) in your talks would be better 😊
Yes I need to work on that 😀.
Agree that the VFR feels heavier than spec suggests. Feels on a par with my 235kg R1200R.
@@blueyondermoto also the cbr900 was raced in america as a 1 make series. Check it out on youtube, its a fun watch.
fireblade , are you considering the airbox mod on it? its very effective
the gearbox yes could be better, when coming to a halt be sure you downshift before.
could try different oil. i am switching to motul. have to try it out . will let you know.
I wasn't aware of an airbox mod on the Fireblade. I'll Google that.
Having also ridden both of the above mentioned bikes, I’ve owned a 97 Vfr same colour as yours since the last 6 years.Here’s a list of the changes made;
🟢 Sbk Handlebars
🟢 „GeL“ seat insert
🟢 YSS rear shock
🟢 Progressive fork-springs
🟢 V-Trec hand Levers
You’re feeling good and hardly tyred after long hauls. I’m using Hepco Becker Journey (42Lit each side!!!) for hard luggage when touring.
Positively unrecognizable after the above mentioned changes. My back hurts after 60mins of riding the Blade, a Vfr‘s got more long distance sympathy 😉
Thanks for an informative review…
We are on the same page 😃
I don't think you should ask which is best, just which suites you best. I've got a 93 ( and a blackbird and zzr14)) blade and it's a load of fun to ride because it really doesn't have that much power. To go fast you really have to wring it's neck. If I ride it like a complete hooligan, I'm still slower than riding the BB or 14 moderately sensibly. One thing I will argue with is MPG, on mine pushing on, on my own, I get 55mpg and with another bike around 60...Best advice I'd say, of the two get the one that does it for you.
Had the rrt blade and it was a weapon on the road. Weaknesses included fragile 2nd gear and a propensity for eating steering head bearings due to ease of wheelying😆. Economical and would tour at 60mpg (measured) commute (commuted daily on mine) and wipe the floor with most bikes of the day until the aprilia mille rsvr came along. Great bike. Reliable, fast and great fun.
Thanks Paul. The gear change in lower gears isn't great I do agree.
Mine does 150 miles to reserve kicking in, which is pretty good in my book.
@@blueyondermoto early blades that were tracked or raced generally had gearbox failures. It was less about being clunky (many bikes were) but it was a weakness in the design. 2nd would often strip if put under repeated stress. The Aprilia mille’s were one of the few bikes so well put together that they could be taken off the road and raced without any mods other than a filter and pipe. They were utterly bomb proof and ran rings around many other superbikes . Later blades got better but first three generations had an iffy gearbox. Mine occasionally jumped out of second but remained reliable. Remember mine with fondness even if it lacked enough character to make me want to keep it. Had it a good few years. Tyre choice was important. 16 inch front had a habit of tucking in a bit too rapidly with poor tyre choice. I ran mine with pirellis. It could also encourage tank slappers if rear suspension wasn’t well set up allowing front to get too flighty. Setting correct rear sag (15mm or so) and softening preload and compression damping a little helped but a steering damper would have been welcomed too.
@@ReferenceFidelityComponents lively handling!
I had a monoshck VFR750, it was stolen, I tested a CBR900 as a possible replacement. I took along my girlfiend (who was lightweight and very practiced pillion). Lesson learnt... You put a girl on the pillion and the CBR is completely unstable. I just touched a puddle in the road in a corner and it went sideways. Yes it has amazing handling and I could catch that and spend a fair amount of the time on the back wherel (not the best way to corner). I live in France and do long distances touring with Girl on the back and baggage thrown over VFR does that VERY well. Solo, without baggage it is still fast compared with 99% that you will meet on the road. On my current VFR800 I came up behinf a brand new 911 softop who was reving and bullying traffic. I slipped in behind him and out of a roundabout Screamed npast him at 12 000 RPM. He didn't know what hit him. It is fast enough in these times of Radar.
Nice comment Peter.
omg, owned that 1996 VFR. for about 10 years. Smashed by someone passing on the right. I loved that cycle. Never wanted anything else. The red-line was 11.5?
Yes 11.5 red line, but my old girl doesn't get taken up that high these days 😀
Well, I find myself here again. We seem to share the same taste in bikes… truly the Golden Age of Honda.
I own the exact same model VFR and the slightly earlier SC28 Blade, and I would agree with you on most points. Both truly great bikes that hold their own in the modern world. Honda’s build quality from that era was jewel-like.
If I had to keep only one, it’d be the Blade, as I have the iconic Urban Tiger color scheme, and it still has that snarling, squat presence. To keep one purely for riding, I think it would be the VFR, as it is that bit more comfortable and refined for my ageing bones and back nowadays, but can still hitch up its skirt, accompanied by that V4 symphony.
An interesting design feature of the VFR was that the fairing was designed to look like a Samurai helmet from the front. Could I ask what brand that tasteful carbon can is, as well?
Keep up the good work.
Hi Roger, welcome back to channel for men of a certain age! 😀 yes you're clearly on the same page. Great fact about the Samurai helmet!
The carbon can is an SP Engineering Trioval and its ace!
Thanks Alan. I’m not normally a fan of more modern design exhausts on older bikes, but that one really suits it. Sounds good, too.@@blueyondermoto
@@rogerwredford and its road legal and very light.
I owned an earlier VF1000F, and that big V4 was a wonderful lusty engine and full of character. Brakes scared the shit out of me though!
Ha yes, brakes have improved a hell of a lot ....and those big VFs were big buses to stop.
I’ve god a 1996 ‘blade and love it, but very intrigued by the VFR (had an NC30 before). Is the seat hump standard / Honda? Never seen a VFR with one, and looks ace,so much better than the big double seat
Ignore comment re seat - got the end of vid and you mention it!
Lots of owners lose them so not many out there with a genuine hump. I've got the detachable grab handles for it also. Lots of useful detailed thinking was put into the VFR ....when Honda did things the right way all the time. Take a look at my "300 miles" video of the VFR also.
Lovely comparison, I would choose the VFR cause of it's timeless design but I'm biased
It's a very difficult choice to make.
Maybe I'm the only one to think this but the subject seems it bit like saying "which is best, jaguar or a land rover"? I've owned both and I've toured on both and done track days on both, the vfr is hands down the best tourer and the blade is the best track tool. Surely a better comparison would've been "which is best, a VTR 1000SP2 or a fireblade"?
Good video mate how ever you say you can get 160 miles to the tank I have owned 3 vfr750 and I can tell you that 200 miles is easily available fully luggaged up touring across Europe
Thanks Jason. On my recent 300 miles video I got 170 between fill ups. That was not to dry but to light/last indicator.
VFR tank range : I’m getting 207 to the fuel light then 30 more to empty so your figure of 160 is very low. I just did a run up to Wales and back 240 miles each way and the fuel light came on at 207 and 208 miles
On my 300 miles run as there was a lot of motorway it ran to 190.
Hi, where dis you bought your vfr windscreen?
Hi Remi, I bought direct online from a company called Powerbronze. Hopefully they will still have some stock for you. Its an excellent screen.
I've just had a look for you I attach the link. I don't think my "double bubble" style is available anymore, just a "touring" flip screen. My advice would be to message them to ask. Show them the video if needed to identify which screen you are looking for. (Hope you have liked and subscribed! 😄)
www.powerbronze.co.uk/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?finder_id=1&category_id=2&brand=HONDA&model=VFR750F&year=1996
Ok thanks.
Im glad I kept Ikept my 1990 26k miler. In red of course
Only colour to have!
Don't forget the Yamaha YZF750 R Probably beats both of these but over shadowed by the Blade launch Just thought I would mention the shy one !!!
The Red, White and Black one looked a handsome bike.
The reason you find i hard to find neutral on your fireblade is because of your clutchbasket is worn. I had the same problem on my 97 fireblade and after a new outer and inner basket, it's perfect again. The only problem is - there is no new baskets to buy, so u can use a file to make it smooth again.
Thanks John. The bike is actually in for some work with the Honda specialist mechanic tomorrow, I'll mention it.
rc36/2 is still a beauty even by todays standards.. but so is the sc33!
Both genuine classics you can afford to buy, run and ride.
Enjoyed, visit Minneapolis and do a similar video on my 97 VFR and 98 VTR1000f Superhawk- why stop ? I call em Honda gold
They are definitely golden oldies. Yes riding in the States sounds a great idea!
Got a vfr just in black. Was looking for a blade for that extra kick. But i think ill stick with vfr , powerfull enough to take you to Jesus 😂 and an engine which is nearly unbreakable🎉.
Any idea if there is a cbr engine at tough as the vfr 🤔
Thnx for a gr8 video.lovely bikes both
Cheers from Denmark
I think if the Blade engine has been looked after well, they should be OK but I agree the gear driven cam VFRs are the best.
I would avoid the VFR purely on the unreliability of the electrical charging system. If you’re prepared to upgrade the rectifier and get uprated charging system cabling they are great bikes. Otherwise they can leave you on the side of the road with alarming regularity. Flawed masterpiece.
I've never had any charging issues (but there is an upgrade RR fitted and all the connectors are good) but you're right, some other owners haven't been so lucky.
Wasn't the fox eye less than 919cc?
No this model is the 919. The first two iterations were 893.
www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_cbr900rr_94.html
@blueyondermoto Ah ok, I'm buying a Blade this weekend but it seems like it fits somewhere between this model and then 954, almost like a facelifted SC33? I think it's a '98.
@@DigiKiller I think that had a few more horsepower. The 929 definitely had.
@blueyondermoto I did some digging, the call it an RR-X model but its still SC33. I'm in love with the pictures of it, can't wait to get my hands on it haha. Great video man, subbed!
Sunday - VFR. Everyday - CBR. I own both :)
Good call !
Love those bikes
The VFR definitely looks and sounds better! Just a shame they are so heavy and the power doesn't match the delicious V4 noise!
I think that sums it up. Its how they carry the weight too, that's where the design shows its age.
Vfr is 230 kg dry I have both mine is 93 vfr 750 though my cbr 919 is same year .
Hi Patrick, I think you'll find that's about the wet weight and from my pushing it around weight indicator thar feels about right..
www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/honda/vfr750/1995/
the Fireblade has a much better "luggage trunk" under the seat.. opends with the key and the passengerseat pops open with room for your lock/gloves etc. the vfr has nothing realy. i had a blade like that and i have a vfr like that now. i do miss my blade. theyr both good bikes. the estatic finish on the vfr is exelent though.. with its passenger hump and indicators build into the fairing. personally i loved the blade better. but the fuelgauge and clock, more comfortable seating position turn out to be very convieniënt.
Don’t you think putting that VFR against a 600 would make a better match? If you had one….
You said it.....if I had one.
@@blueyondermoto OK
You should have added a “ease of maintenance” section too 😢
Thanks Daniel. I wanted to keep this video as simple and high-level as possible, plus there is always a danger of the video being too long! However, it's an interesting idea for a follow up video.
My 3.5 tonne lwb carpet van, as aerodynamic as a block of council flats does 29 to the gallon.
💪💪👏👏
Good aren't they 😀
@@blueyondermoto yeah!
Very simple... The RC36 I is just the Best Honda ever...
You'll like an upcoming video then! 😉
lol the 900 RR isnt even in the same class the VFR 750 is just a sport tourer with a bit more on the sport side but it just didn't have the power most of the other sport bikes had of the time. An updated VR750 interceptor from the 80s Honda just didn't put more sport into the bike I think due to they have the CBR line for that .Now I like the v four hell I really like the 800 VFR but the VFR just didn't have the power that a lot of the other sport bikes had at the time the VFR is more of a long huge ride or ride to work bike the 900 RR is more of a race around on the weekend sport bike take it to the twisty roads or a track day
Thank you for your comment John 😃
I couldn't decide what I liked so I took a vfr and 900rr and married them together. Every thing in front of the engine is 900rr everything behind is a vfr 😂
That sounds interesting!
Like anything “Best”….. it is all based on an individual bias and is subjective just like the judging of the arts and figure skating.
It is indeed.
Mid-90s Hondas. That's all you have to know.
Yep. The best.
If you're trying to define 'best' then you first of all need to define 'best at what'?
Thanks I'll bear that in mind
Not sure why you would make a comparison between these two, they are chalk and cheese!
You can compare anything against anything. Both are classic Hondas from the same era, both have their strengths and weaknesses. As I say at the end of the video ...if I could have only one which would it be?
Nothing, even to this day comes close to that 750/800cc V4
They've still got many fans. As do the inline 4s.
Ahhhh the days before the accountants took over!
Exactly.
There is no winner, that's why this guy bought both off them..and why not? They are allmost for free these days. You buy them all 2 for about 3k...
You can't buy two as good as these for 2 to 3k though! 😜
@blueyondermoto here in the Netherlands you can..I can mail the ads iff you don't believe me..what do you pay in the UK for those 2? Mabey we can make money,bro
@sivodesilva9866 every bike is different if you can find a Blade as good as mine for less than £2k, buy it.
@blueyondermoto 2200 is easy 800 vfr easy as well over here...for me it was also unbelievable...I go for a supermoto because here in the Netherlands you can't race anymore
i got the vfr but its not in very good condition sadly. i wish i can find a vfr 4 or 5 gen in perfect condition like urs
Finding a really good one is very difficult. Don't be put off by high kms if looked after properly these bikes can take it. Have you subscribed? 😆
@@blueyondermoto its not about the engine but broken fairings and overall bad cosmetic look
You are comparing chalk with cheese, totally different bikes for different purposes. 👽
More Cheddar with Stilton.