John McGuinness FLAT OUT on 100,000 mile £500 bike: Will it survive?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2023
- We wanted to celebrate the 2001, £500 Honda VFR800 reaching 100,000 miles with a bang - potentially literally - by sending Isle of Man TT legend John McGuinness out on it. Flat our at Snetterton. Here's what happened...
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No problem for a Honda!
John McGuiness Should Have Beat Joey Dunlops 26 Isle Of Man TT Record 😈
I have a R reg black VFR with 19,600 miles on the clock, love mine just don't get on it as much as I'd like.
:D This bike sounds perfect when being sung on track. Almost as if it's engine started out in a V4 sports bike (Wink Wink). Gotta love having a bike you can throw around on track without much worries. Prolly costs less than most modern fairings alone.
John is a legend. Imagine all those expensive sports bikes being overtaken by a £500 VFR!!
I used to do track days with no limits and would occasionally see an older fella with an old CBR600F, the first "jelly mould" model so I reckon 88 or 89? He would always embarrass the rest of us on our much newer more powerful bikes.
I don't want to, the VFR is one of the ugliest bikes Honda ever made 🤣
When you watch videos of the advanced groups there's always some who really shouldn't be in that group.
@@1000sofusernames 👍
There were no cobwebs left on that bike 😂😂😂
It really is a testament to Honda build quality. My own VTR has 66,000 and still feels the same as it did 26 years ago. Watching John rag your bike was a treat!
Early 90s to mid-2000s was the golden era of Honda for me, with fantastic , jewel-like build quality that probably made the other 3 Japanese manufacturers weep. I have a Blade, a VFR750 and an SP1 from that era and they all look like they have just rolled off the production line and ride like they are just run in, with not much more than a weekly clean and an annual DIY service.
Ive got a Firestorm too.. I keep pulling it to bits every year though!
Its not very "Standard" anymore.!! lol.!
@@griffspeed join our owners group VTR1000 Firestorm owners!
If you aren't in there already👍😉
totally agree! I have this vfr , a valkyrie and a 01 blackbird. The bird is the best, just amazing engineering @@rogerwredford
Having had the privilege to meet John. He's an absolute legend and gentleman, on and off the track. Thank you for an awesome video. Keep on riding John.
What an honor, to have John ride your bike to check its limits, at a 100K no less! Of course we want to see the Dyno results! ✌
I think this video needs to be proof it's not about Dyno results.
@@needbettername8583 Fair point. I'm still interested to see the Dyno data.
Proud owner of a red VFR 800 FI from 1998. Brutal build quality: first chain changed at 60,000 km, still bright red paint, no rust after 25 years. Widely underrated, but the 1998 for the European market has an engine with fantastic torque, exceeding both those for the US market, the catalyzed 2000 version tested by McGuinness, and the VTEC itself. She drinks a lot (13 km/l at all speeds) but I love it. History will prove her right. And this video is a proof.
John is such a good guy. So humble. Great vid. Crazy miles on that Honda. And still reliable and track able. Any vid with John is worth watching.
I have a long association with VFRs having owned 6 - one VTec and the rest Fi's. Still have a low mileage 2000 Fi which I rarely use and just cannot part with. I ride much more modern bikes now but this video reminds me just how brilliant these actually were..... in fact ARE still !!! Superceded as the greatest all rounder by GS and others these days. Just fantastic hearing your bike at full chat on a race track and so very well made that the motor letting go was, in reality, not a real risk. As JmcG said ride it to France after its thrashing on tour with luggage and pillion, no worries. Totally and utterly brilliant. Am hanging on to mine forever now ! And its coming out for a rare blast this weekend as a result of this clip. Much more on your bike please..... its a real treat seeing machines from this period still living and in regular use 🙂 I must make more of an effort .....
The nicest Johns in Motorcycling! We had a great a day with you guys! Long live the mighty VFR!
So glad you enjoyed it! All the best, John (the not fast one)
John McGuiness is an absolute legend
John McGuiness Should Have Beat Joey Dunlops 26 Isle Of Man TT Record 😈
This has brought a new level of respect to my bike. I will always look at it now and say 'John McGuiness has given his seal of approval.'
Thank you and please do a Dyno test.
Spot on ! Same here 🙂
Soichiro Honda surely would have been proud to see a Honda cracking 100'000 miles, doing 12'000rpm at full chat out of a corner. What a way to set a milestone, what a bike, what a rider!
I have a 98 VFR like that one. I often think of changing it for something more modern, but then I take it out and the V4 growl grabs me. I’m going to keep it for as long as possible and have touring plans in the pipeline. It’s only done 29k so loads of life left!!
I have a 2000 VFR with about 65,000 km on it and I sure wouldn’t sell it for that price. Gen5’s are great bikes with v4 engines, gear driven cams and single sided swing arm, built to last. Mine is going to easily outlast me.
I just bought a 97 VFR with 50k on the clock 3 weeks ago, absolutly astounded by the build quality, its like its come out of the showroom, i also ride a 2001 bmw R1150GS which has 57k on the clock, the motor is great on it but the build quality in places is a bit ropy, peeling paint, alloy corrosion etc. I think honda's of the 90's were at peak build quality.
Same! Mine has 56000 Kilometers and its my daily driver.
Of only honda made a v4 nakedbike like the tuono. They should revist the rc30
@@mala7794 v4 fanboy , explains a lot
100,000 miles..and it sounds sweet. The bike has clearly been looked after!
Thanks! The first owner did a good job, and while it has been a pain to work on, it's still going strong. Cheers, John
why do you think its a pain to work on? My 1994 vfr750 hasnt been very hard compared to cbr’s in the past
Legend racer gets on what is ( no disrespect ) an old banger compared to some of the machines he has ridden and has a massive smile on his face as if he had just taken out a 100 grand one off Ducati. Top guy.
How effortless does does John make this look. Looks like he’s out for a Sunday ride out, top man.
Such a humble guy john , nothing but respect , great rider one of the best ever 👌
Great video and awesome to see a 100k miles bike still doing well. Good old McPint such a top man and what a TT legend. Love to see the dyno and maintenance work
01:37 it changes from 99,000 miles to 100,000 miles.
The 10 year old kid in me was in tears watching that. Every car my Dad had we had to cheer when it ticked over another 1,000 miles.
And he bought me my FS1-E in ‘75. Cheers Dad, a life time on bikes and I still remember those journeys.
Oh yes and to Bennetts and Mr McG, thank you so much for putting a video together that references so much about love of bikes across all generations and backgrounds
Thank YOU for your kind words! All the best. John (not the famous one, sorry)
Brilliant video featuring such a great ambassador for motorcycling. Took me back 15 years when a pal & I hired two identical bikes , each on costing 4x your purchase price, for a quick 7k km lap of New Zealand. With his already at 100k km. & mine at only 70k km, there was some concern that our enthusiastic riding may break something. Needless to say, they never missed a beat.
He looked as he was cruesing even with the rev counter at 11 thou. It was so smooth
I've got a 99 red VFR and take it on the track. I bloody love it, and end up using it more than the blade I've bought since. Was lucky to get a 1 owner 10,000 mile model and have done another 10,000 since. Please do a dyno run and thanks for showing how good these bikes still are. Finally John McGuinness you utter legend and what a cool bloke. Brilliant
John’s a real star ⭐️
Always wanted a VFR, even though I’m disabled and couldn’t ride it anyway.
Never say never.
I got an 02 vetec model for my 1st bike, and I love it. Just did my front fork oil and seals with a friend. The linked braking system is a pain but it's been all round interesting and fun. I think I will be keeping this for a long time.
Definitely! I had mine on a dyno recently and it’s putting out 114bhp at the wheel. it’s a 2002 5th gen pre vtec, with 20k miles on it. It’s a fantastic bike! just had the suspension serviced by maxton and the handling has been transformed.
This is a great video. Motorcycle youtube gets so repetative and formulaic, but who saw McGuinness spanking a vfr800 around snetterton as it clocks 100k coming? Some good real world bike maintenance related stuff too. Nice
The thing is when he got off he looked like he genuinely enjoyed riding it and was full of praise for the engineering.
Truly a legendary bike, I loved my '08. It's a good thing they are reliable because they are cramped and difficult to work on, and the linked brake system on my bike was very complex and difficult to service. What a great bike to ride though. I did several long trips on mine, it always got great mileage and with the generous tank I could comfortably go 300km without worrying about fuel. And the sound, oh man what a sound.
Great video as always. Just shows you you dont need to drop 10-15K on new metal. SC28 here... Love it.
Great to see McPint giving it beans on the track.
I had a VFR Anniversary Edition (Silver fairing and red bodywork) new in 1998 ( I think), took it to track days at Silverstone and Donnington and absolutely loved it. Not as extreme as a true track bike, but much more comfortable for an old guy with a dodgy back!
This is testament to prove the 5th Gen is a way more capable motor than the crappy pointless V-tec, I've advised countless buyers to steer clear of the V-tech models.
John is such a character !
I was just going to write that!!!!! Gutted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a brilliant, loved the video, shows what older bikes can do if they're regularly serviced etc. Honda engineering is just the best!
Totally agree with using Hagon and Wemoto, I've used them both over the years and received fantastic customer service from them both.
Those laps with 'McPint' on the VFR was magical, never under estimate an 'old bloke' with 23 TT wins on an old-ish Honda!
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Great to watch, I like the older sports/sports tourers, the size feels right compared to the modern sport bikes. Definitely want to see the dyno run!
Great video of a great bike. My 1998 VFR 800 (in red of course) has done 26k and goes great and sounds great, especially with the stainless steel exhaust fitted a couple of years ago. I've had it 20 years and it will be my last bike of the many I've owned. Usually service it myself apart from the linked brakes, and the stainless exhaust after reading horror stories about snapped studs. Did the valve clearances a while ago and they hadn't changed from the factory settings.
20 years! Nicely done!
Awesome to see! My 7th gen (1200f) is at 36k miles, wish it had geared cams but still, feels good to see the over engineering could get me so many more years if I take care of it.
Ive got a '98 gen 5 in red with 53k on the clock.
Your video sums the bike up perfectly, thrash it round a track, and its got a luggage rack on it.
Beautiful to hear on song, excellent vid lads 👍
I had a VFR 800 Fi for a long time which I serviced myself . NEVER let me down and when i brought it , it had done 6,354miles on the clock.
Sold her with 106, 874 miles covered " Brilliant bike & I still miss having it in my garage.
Love the sound of that v-four. Great video
I’ve owned two VFR’s, an FL and an FV which I’ve owned from new in 1997. Apart from a reg/rectifier and back shock it’s been totally dependable. I’ve toured it, track day’d it and used it as a courier bike. No camchain or belts to worry about, it runs like a Swiss watch. I checked the shims at 36k miles and only one was slightly out. Brilliant bike, great all rounder and one of the best engines Honda has ever made.
I had a 2001 VFR800 until recently and it was a fantastic bike. Solid as a rock, great handling and fast as I wanted. Great vid!
Sounded sweet on track. Hard to beat a VFR! Not surprised John liked it. A phenomenal racer and a true bike Enthusiast. 😎👍
My first ever bike was the Gen 4 VFR and I had a Gen 6 afterwards and now riding the Tiger Sport 1050. I still miss that Gen 4 and the character of the engine. Forget the V-TEC that the Gen 6 onwards have, the Gen 4 had all that torque on tap at any rpm, not to mention it didn't suffer from the overheating issues that started with the side placed radiators. Happy with my Tiger now but my Gen 4 VFR will always hold a special place in my heart.
My gen 6 had 200.000 km on the counter when I traded it in for the tiger. Engine was still going strong but the electrical gremlins left me feeling worried every time I went on a longer ride - would I make it back on my own power or not. Just not a very good feeling when you set off to go touring
love the vfr i was put off by what the service cost would be. i can do the basics. oil and filters pads. doing the valves. a lot of money i would guess. great video with the legend on your bike taking over an amazing 100000 miles.👍
Get a Haynes manual and they're okay to do yourself, honest! Cheers, John
Excellent video ! Great review of affordable bikes that ain’t the 2023 model … so refreshing!!!
What an absolute legend, that was mega! Looked like a lot of fun too!
Just awesome. When I saw you on this bike a while ago, I fancied getting one myself. Cheap as chips and look how strong it is after all these miles. Great video as always John.
Thanks very much Mark! Cheers, John
Brilliant video , I've got a few bikes but love the FI its the motor I've got 39000 on mine but a mechanic friend looked after a dispatch riders it had 300,000 on it all it needed was regular oil changes absolutely bullet proof cheers again Chris
Having owned 4 vfr800fi 5th gens and currently a 2008 vtec vfr800 i can say they're brilliant fun even though theyre on the portly side of the weight equation. Gear driven cam engines just rock. Saying all that my current 2008 vtec model is ok once youve spent money sorting its quirks. 1 tooth smaller on the front and plus 1 on the rear sprocket helps alot, junk the boat anchor pipes and fit something light and obviously the sound is way better. Saved 7 kgs off the exhaust and junking the rear footpegs. Power commandor 5 fitted and tuned to perfection on the dyno and now itll pull smoothly from as little as 2700 rpm with no fuss. I fitted an adjustable yss shock, racetech .95 fork springs and set up the ride height 10mm higher in the rear and lowered the forks through the clamps 5mm and she turns in like a different bike now and is a different bike to ride. Spend the money on the right mods and shes great.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video, thanks. Just reinforces what I've heard about these bikes, and I'm gong to have to buy one now!
That was VERY impressive. Can't go wrong with a Honda. Great to see McGuinnes caning it round Snetterton.
Love that it passed someone just before it hit the 100k!! A beast of a bike and rider
Brilliant video - what an honor to have your classic VFR roll the clock over to 100,000 miles while being ridden by a legend! Just hilarious that he's passing all the other, and I suppose "sportier" bikes on a VFR with a luggage rack! 🤣 The VFR IMO hit its apex with the 5th generation - brilliantly threading the needle between just enough sportiness along with long haul touring capability. Take it to the track and clock it over 130, then ride it home and the next day set out on a week's long tour on it. Sadly the market's moved on - but for those that know those bikes, they can be had for a song now - and as John says, "what a testament to Honda engineering"! And the sound - oh that lovely growl of the V4 along with the whine from the racing derived gear driven cams. 👍 Thanks for the video - well done.
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
what an awesome dood. I drove by his house when i was in Moorcomb a friend of mine knows him ... too scared to knock on his door and say hi.... a true legend
John McGuinness what a hero. I have a 04 VFR and love it. Everyone should try one. They are bargain secondhand machines. Would be great to see how much power your old VFR puts out😊
Great video. As a previous VFR owner making me wish i hadnt sold it. And given the prices i see them going for now that ones worth more than £500 even at 100k!
Got a gen 2 with 70,000 miles still runs sweet. Just had loads of electrical problems like you said I'd fix one and end up with another and and another etc etc, but will never sell it.
hey, i have a 2001 have 120,000 km and still have the original clutch and no valves arranged yet and still drives like new top bike!! nice video.
my bro's 162,000 miles 2003 honda hornet 600 only goes upto 100mph now instead of 140mph haha.
He bought this engine secondhand with 43,000 miles on it, fitted the engine himself and done 119,000 miles with it.
Oddly the original engine did only 25,000 miles, mostly from the previous owner.
Still runs perfectly even though the valves clearances have never been adjusted by him.
He checked the clearances recently and the tolerances are only just within range.
He changes the oil every 5,000 miles with fully synthetic castrol power 1 racing & a k&n oil filter.
Something's not right there! Still, glad it's still running. My first thought was valve clearances. I assume it's breathing okay?
@@bennettsbikesocial It breathes ok.
It's got a couple of weak valve springs, on the inlet valves.
Still runs very good though, and uses hardly any oil.
Must be because of the 5,000 mile oil changes from 43,000 miles with fully synthetic oil that's made it last for so long, and has been regulary thrashed nearly every day too.
On all the gearboxes i have taken off i have found the oil ways on the input and output shafts did not line up with the oil ways on the gear pinions from factory.
By lining them up, the gearboxes last much much longer.
You should also replace the oil pump no more than 50,000 miles.
When you turn the oil pump by hand it feels very stiff and graunchy when they get to 50,000 miles plus.
John McGuiness is a legend. But what a modest well-grounded guy. No ego and actions speak louder than words. Really enjoyed this video. 👍🏼
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John (the other one)
in my 40yrs riding i have all ways been with bennets i never read the renewal and god knows where it is, it seems i have been missing out.. i will check out your facebook page..🙂
Thanks so much, and look forward to seeing you on the group!
John looks more casual and relaxed than I do tootling down my favourite, best known road on a Sunday afternoon.
Oh that sweet sound of rev matching !! ❤ And to top it all off with John McG on top of it....
I enjoyed that. I've had two VFR750 and did track days on one of them at Cadwell Park. On one of those days Phil Read, and several others who were doing some sort of vintage race series, asked if they could share the track for a practice. We obviously said yes. (This was the Ixion Internet motorcycle group) The old fellows were riding aging 250cc racers against our Fireblades and 900cc Ducati but they carried so much corner speed they were lapping far faster than any of us. Come to think of it, one of our group had a 250cc Aprilia and he was having no trouble keeping up, so perhaps there is something to be said for light and nimble.
What a joy to see the legend giving the vfr a spanking…. Great video well done 👍😊
Thanks for watching!
I had exactly that model of VFR and loved it. Fabulous build quality and ultra reliable. Unfortunately eyesight problems meant I had to give up biking for a while and so I sold it. Wish I hadn't now.
It's actually refreshing to see an insurance company giving back a little, and interacting socially with it's members. It belies the money suckers I'm used to.
Brilliant video. Thanks v much.
All good stuff! Great to see McG's smooth style, with nary a knee down. A great testament to Honda engineering too. Interesting about the VTEC malarkey; for a road bike, I prefer not to have it, especially in the wet! And yes, I'd like to see how many gee-gees are actually going through the rear tyre...PNB
‘There’s some bloke out there on an old VFR who thinks he’s John McGuiness….’
Proud owner of a 96 VFR, 70,000 miles.....this bike is faster than me, but, at 82 years young, it serves me well......great video..!!
Yup, my CBF600N8 is just about to clock 125,000 miles and will have the shims checked and throttle bodies balanced, along with new spark plugs. The mechanic does this every 25,000 miles. I do the rest. Oil and Honda filter is changed every 5,000 miles - Castrol fully synthetic Power 1 Racing 10W-30 oil. New radiator at 75,000 miles and I think the bike would now benefit from the original rear shock being replaced.
Watching this, and the previous videos on the VFR make me simultaneously excited and dread the inevitable shock absorber replacement. Oh, and please put the bike on the dyno as mine is the same year (but only half the mileage)!
Turns out you don't have to remove the bottom linkage bolt to get the shock out, though I still would have preferred to as I wanted to grease it. Cheers, John
Good film. Got my CBR600F up over 60k miles with 8 Track days on it. Good to know it hopefully got many more left.
Loved that...owned same bike toured euro no problem it loved Grimsel...vfrs are class I've had 3 and that just made me start looking..
We used vfr engines in our rally buggies, we used to teach people oversteer and handling. They got hammering and just took it. Fantastic engines
John is a real gent, what a way to pass 100K miles 👍 I met him at a PB Trackday a few years back. I have a vid of me following him from my VFR800Fi poor video but was worth it. (Search McPint Rockingham) Even though he rode an RCV during the lunch break the boys voted mine the best sounding bike of the day 😁
I'd be interested in your HP dyno run.
If you fancy checking out an updated version, minus 30kg +23hp with Carbon wheels let me know 👍
Miss my old 2001 Viffer now more than ever. Such a great machine
I had a yellow VFR of the same year for something like 6 years when Iwas young and dumb- I literally never topped up the coolant and the bike rode like a champion til the last day I saw it. Being older I would definitely do regular maintenance on it if I had one now but good lord, you can't break these things. Fantastic machines
McGuiness the legend having a laugh, brilliant.
Im a Kawasaki man myself and have an 03 ZZR1200, bought it with 65k in the clock 2 years ago with replacement aftermarket shock and Black Widow slip on cans. Added Karuser panneirs and Hepco & Becker top box plus Bagster tank bag for TT kast year.
Its still a rocket ship. When my daughter and I arrived on the early morning ferry we did a lap 2 up with luggage and we were doing 3 figure speeds up the mountain mile with ease and so stable. It also clocked up 71k on the turn round at the end of my 4th run on Ramsey Sprint at the TT. Thats where I confirmed rhe clutch was slipping slightly, new plates and springs since. I still beat 4 Hyabusas on the day in the unlimited class with a best run of 7.72. My first ever go on a sprint.
Also just started my first Bennets policy two days ago so will be looking for more of the bike social stuff on RUclips now. TT diaries were good during this year's TT with my three favourite TT racers, McGuiness, Hicky and Dom the bomb.
Great video, yes a dyno test would be good 👍
I did my first track day on a VFR, which too was a 100k bargain bike! It was a great day and I'm happy to have owned it.
The value of your bike just went through the roof. Own two 99s, an 04, and an 08. I can't get enough of the experience. Many feel the weight when atop Sybil or Sylvia at a standstill. Underway, those 600 riders said all that disappeared.
Have a 2000 model VFR, same gen as this over here in Australia. It's more than double the k's of my last bike sitting at around 130,000km which is around 80,000 miles and is the third oldest bike I've had and it's still somehow the most dependable bike I've had so far. Not a hint of any trouble, no burning or leaking oil and the engine feels like it must pull just as hard as it did on day one because it seems to be a bit quicker than my 05 GSXR 600 which has an even better power to weight ratio and just under 50,000km. The extra torque surprisingly seems to make up for being heavier and less powerful though I am pretty tall.
Truly amazing bikes
Great to see the VRF caned! Yes get her on the Dyno, It'd be interesting to see where she's at. Love anything VFR, especially 5th Gen!
I had a 98 like this one and commuted from yorkshire to london every week. I found it a bit soulless. did not sound as nice as yours. Been thinking about getting another one or the v tec version. This video sold the earlier one. Great honda engineering.
Oh my god you don't need to ask we all want to see the VFR on the dyno!!! That was awesome and that's why people buy hondas over other manufacturers because their engines are bulletproof.
"Then I had to do him again at the hairpin" - racer mentality. JMcG what a legend.
And yes, dyno that thing.
Thanks for another VFR video
In praise of the VFR. I have a 750 from 1990. Reliable, looks like new, and still pretty fast. Honda engineering!
Its great to hear that v4 engine again, i spent a decade with vfr's. I preferred this one to the vtec.
That sound in the highest revs is AMAZING
I had a black '98 VFR, Gen 5, same as this one, but pre cat so even better. Rode all over the back roads in British Columbia. Absolute bullet proof rocket ship, doing the valves would cost more than the bike, so I never touched them. I honestly always felt like the bike was mocking me, "is that the best you got". Well here is the answer, put a legend on the bike and he says what a testament to Honda engineering. Enough said. Cam.
I think the Bar End Weights are Glued in at Factory, had the same Problem with the Wifes MT03 and my MT07 Tracer, (Now Sold), a right Pain in the Arse when it comes to fitting Hand Guards.
Nice video, tribute to a good bike. I've put 120K miles on my '99 and it's still going nicely.
I test rode one of these vfrs back in the day thinking I was going to love it … coming from a Kawasaki zx6-r G2 it felt flat, like it wasn’t revving enough, almost boring. And the linked brakes didn’t inspire confidence and meant it didn’t dig the front end into the tarmac like I wanted it to. Ended up with a bandit 1200 of all bikes which I loved 🤷🏼♂️
It's tough to find a good condition original Bandit 12 now... I've tried!
Great bikes. Have the same bike 5th gen and the 4th gen 1995 Vfr 750, never any problems.
I sold my 1998 VFR800Fi at 200,000km and it was still sweet as. Terrific bike!
Dyno would be interesting. Mine with K&N filter and Remus exhaust can ran 99 bhp back when it was a bit younger. 110,000 km on it just now.
This is why ive got a Honda motorbike. They do have a bullet proof engine and reliability providing they are serviced and looked after.