😱😱😱 The story of the 1970 Dodge Challenger 426 hemi known as the Black Ghost looks to be FAKE
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- 😱😱😱 The story of the 1970 Dodge Challenger 426 hemi known as the Black Ghost looks to be FAKE! Is there any proof the Black Ghost actually raced on the streets of Detroit?
There's proof of the Plymouth GTX known as the "Silver Bullet" at the time. And the 1975 Ford Mustang known as the "Sudden Death" Mustang built by Jack Roush himself. You be the judge!
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You clowns are something else...so make a video and list all their names and continue nthe slander. Ifv they are scammers. See how they feel about being slanderd...say some names and leabel them...i wanna see it
your Rider clip IS A LINCOLIN not a caddi!!!!!!!
nice AI generated voice ripping off others work just to make a shit youtube video, also the history of this cars so called drag racing history has been called into question because its just a stock hemi with a 4 speed and there were plenty of other cars it supposedly raced against that were easily faster, the story is fake and completely made up and guess what? the son sold the car surprise surprise.
A total B/S story !!!
Everybody loves a good ghost story. But no ghost story has ever been proven to be true.
Old guy here owned a few hemis back in the day.They didn't really make good street race cars without chassis work more money alot of tuning more money and a bunch of dyno work. Best street car I ever owned was 1970 340 Dart. Less money and work and a lot more fun,easy to drive and maintain Nothing special just a good run what you drive car. The Black Ghost is a 14 second chassis and a 14 second car at best The story is B.S.
Mopar A Bodies Forever!!..
I have twin 68 Darts...
Grandma cars.. nothing like your Badass Coupe,,
Both model 270
Built here in CA,
Slant6 Aire Temp car's
Hers is still Slant6 and mine went 318 swap, 11 years on the road.. weather permits Daily Driver..
Someday a Coupe.. I'll return mine to Slant6
Very funny how he distances himself from a lawsuit, my dad never said anything, whoever said it was I’d sue his ass, paying a million for a stock anchor.
Anybody who was around in the 70's street racing scene knows this story is pure fiction. If you were any kind of player back, then you had an ex-race car that had plates on it just to be competitive.
That car has lots of body rust on the floor, the engine rings are worn out and the motor smokes, and the NET horsepower of a stock 426 hemi is only 350 at 5,100 rpm or 372 at 6,000 over revved which is why in stock form this car NEVER went quicker than 13.6 in the 1/4 mile. And new 2022 Dodge Challenger with 5.7 can run just as quick in the 1/4 mile. Real value is only about $80,000 but somehow it got $980,000 at auction. I still say the entire bid was a hoax as we can't find the new owner as of yet.
because of the fake story the son started spreading around trying to make the car seem like it was some sort of legend "black ghost" except for the fact that the from first and second hand accounts from people who raced where this car supposedly dominated, nobody remembers ever seeing this car, the story is completely fake and was made up just so the son could sell his dads car for some easy cash.
A fisherman's story except its about a car instead of a fish. How big was that fish??? It keeps getting bigger with each telling.
I'm sure the guy who bought the car at auction is kicking himself now for spending $975,000 at Mecum for that car. Could have built an original perfectly for far less.
Fool and his money,, right?....
Isn't true the Smithsonian recognizes this car etc,, Also the First Merc..
Mecum Is laughing all the way to the bank.
Not necessarily. Even if the story is a fabrication, a triple black Hemi RT/SE with a Gator Grain top is probably a one of one car anyway.
@@joninpgh sure it's rare, but the selling price was based on the embellished story. See what Uncle Tony's Garage has to say about it. He is very clear on the car.
I would love to have the car too, but not for that money.
@@joninpgh one of one worn out car. Worth close to a million dollars? NO
Oh its absolutely a bs story.
I was aware of the car, yes it did do some racing at night a few times. It was not a particularly fast car. Because Havanese were known to overpower the woeful polyglass white ovals. And if that car in its condition ran better than 15 seconds it would have been a Wonder to behold. 15 second quarter mile car is not a particularly fast car. There were Dodge Darts all over the place that would have cleaned its clock. I had a Dodge Dart with a 318 2 Barrel that could have beat it. I was running a 13-5 the only time I ever tested it on a drag strip. That was mostly because I had a really neat shift kit in the transmission and a 500 CFM to barrel and a dual-point ignition. It literally shift it out of first gear at 52 miles an hour at 7200rpm. I lost count of how many times I had to change the front U-joint. And I think I changed the rear one about 4 or five times.
I actually saw this car a number of times. Yes it was a cool Hemi Challenger. But it was not uniquely fast. Any 440 six pack with somebody who knew how to Pedal the car a little bit could beat it. Soundly.
I am also aware of the silver bullet. And knew several of the people who were around it. Mancini racing was only about three-quarters of a mile down six mile from me. And much of the work that was done either at their facility or at a small little shop at Dresden and 6 Mile, about a block-and-a-half from my home, it was not unusual for me to be around there. I even picked up the mopar hot rod manual from them. A book about three and a half inches thick on 8 by 11 paper. With a plethora of tips and tricks for making cars go faster. From ignition all the way to suspension.
The Silver Bullet did most of its racing before it stroked out the Hemi. I believe the car ended up weighing only about 2,800 lb which is why it was blisteringly fast. The black ghosts, was a box stock Challenger with the Hemi engine. Along with almost every option you could order. It's probably dressed out at about 3,800 pounds if not more.
I even met the owner a couple of times, he was a police officer if I remember correctly. And I knew a number of Detroit police officers. One who even went on to make an appearance in the movie Beverly Hills Cop.
so is the story cap or not?
@@thephantomzoneboxing its mostly fake, the guy did race the car sure, but being it was 100% stock it wasnt actually that fast, look up the drag times for stock challengers with a hemi, not actually that fast...
That was awesome. Take a roachy old challenger and hold it. Come up with this fantastic back story and sell the story to dodge whom couldn’t possibly fact check it 🤦🏻♂️ then sell that same story to Hemings because they obviously know nothing about cars 🤦🏻♂️ or could it have been all in the timing?🤔 let’s think about this. It was during the whole blm movement. Hey you try to punch holes in this decorated black soldiers story who was also a public servant? You racist, you just can’t stand to hear about a black man who had something special! At this point in time the CEO’s and Big companies couldn’t risk it and sure as hell didn’t want to be cancelled or boycotted! So they helped perpetuate what would eventually be known as one of the greatest car LIES EVER TOLD, and some poor SUCKER paid almost a million dollars for a story. His dad NEVER told him not to sell his car he said DONT GIVE IT AWAY. Now we have the 250k black ghost edition challenger 1:18 scale models and a potential movie deal. Good job son!
The 14 second king of drag racing😂
I part that really bugged me was in the original story his father told him to not sell it and then he sells it for about 4 times it true value as a car in need of a full restoration. Also odd is the fact not any real street racers remember this car or even thought of following this car home to talk to the owner of this unbeatable stock fully loaded up and heavy for racing and bragging rights car.
I agree with you 💯
Father said dont give it away...he didnt give it away....his gift to his son created some generational wealth
@@NOLAZACK Ha ha yes you are right on that word play. Good thing we do not take everything literal as i have said as well as many others if you do this or that i will kill you! i will stick to my opinion of his father wishing the car to remain in the family or dad would have sold it a long time ago and gave the money to his son to use as he wished. Nice try bud.
@@henrybourdon6712 It's funny that you said "dad would have sold it a long time ago" - because guess what? The dad _actually did_ try to sell the car all the way back in 1986 for $80k. The only reason he didn't sell it then was because it wasn't worth _nearly_ that much. You can "stick to your opinion" all you want, but it's wrong. Godfrey Qualls said quote:
"Don't GIVE my f**king car away." ..which is not the same thing as "Don't ever sell my car. I want it to stay in the family."
Words have meaning. The words give and sell are not synonyms. ..and common sense would dictate that if you're passing a family heirloom down to your son while you're on your deathbed, and it want it to stay in the family, you're going to be _very_ clear about your wishes.
I don't know why everyone is even choosing to focus on the fact that he sold the car. It's irrelevant. What's actually important here is that the backstory that he used to sell it is a lie and someone got scammed out of a million bucks..
@@clicheguevara5282 I will have to agree with you about meaning what he said and how others may interpret what he said.
The older we are, the faster we were. LOL. That Black Ghost was a 14 second car at best.
I like how back in the day even the Detroit car manufatcurers were street racing their test mules cars.😁
Yeah, the racing part is all bullshit. But we have ourselves to blame for believing this shit.
My take … the guy probably threw slicks on it and beat other stock cars at the light. Maybe got lucky once or twice and out raced some other smaller known drivers on their off day.
From there he probably embellished then his son probably embellished some more.
But that’s just my 2 cents.
PS, the barn shot, those definitely are not stock wheels on the back. We all know the hardest part of the 1/4 mile times in that time period was gripping the tires. It all goes back how you define ‘legendary’.
When new, bet it was fun as Hell, Hemi was for Top end, unless built for Drag racing etc,, Lots of Long Straight streets there, Highway blast etc,
I don't own a E Body Mopar,
I have Darts..
But the Suspension geometry is similar enough, Mopar hooks, no real need for Traction Bars etc...
Cheers from Orange County California 🇺🇸
Daily Driver 68 Dart Grandma special Slant6 to 318 swap,
Certainly not the major league street racers, that’s for sure, just the local guys driving mildly warmed over muscle cars used for daily transportation, the sort of action 95% of us were happy to be a part of.
Absolutely and was great fun!
Wtf would his dad not tell him.
Been plenty of L78 optioned novas and Camaros that laid cars like this to rest on the streets. All hype. Hemi hemi hemi. Don’t get me wrong they was fast cars and one of the most desirable cars today. And who knows. He was probably only racing a few city blocks where the car options was thin and sub par to the beast machines that was running around outside of his area. It’s just a story. But it was a good story. And that same story has been told by many people. It’s amazing how many people have owned cars that was never beat. lol.
Grew up with Pontiac in my young life, Chevy's also, Chevy built some Truly amazing Turn Key Race Cars, 57 Black widow etc,, Then Someone at GM does math and then, Kills them, Hemi yes Race engine for Top End, NASCAR etc..
Only one.. ok two.. Mopar A Bodies,, Dart and Barracuda were true to the GM style of Factory Race Cars..
Cheers from Orange County California 🇺🇸
Daily Driver 68 Dart Grandma special V8 swap.. Not sure what cruising is, but she rolls to 85 and beyond with ease..
Maybe there is some truth to the story but maybe pumped up a lot. Maybe he drag raced slower cars and won a few races.
I honestly don’t know what the truth is. I just stated the facts and let everyone else come to their own conclusion. That was before my time so I have no idea what the truth is
@@mruniqueone1975 what facts? have you seen the car in person? were you around in detroit back then in 70s? they interviewed people who knew of the car....you say its a scam. i say if you wanna say some s*** like that then say their names and say they are scammers. slnder them! go all in and crash out!!!!
I honestly don’t know what the truth is. I just stated the facts and let everyone else come to their own conclusion. That was before my time so I have no idea what the truth is
I’ve watched a few videos on it and came to the same conclusion. He probably did some stoplight racing and won a few. He embellished, his son embellished. He was maybe known of around his section of town.
Also probably had wider than stock wheels on it. Slicks on back of a well maintained stock 426 with a high gear ratio will be very quick stoplight to stoplights. Especially against pure stock cars with the bad tires of the 70s. And barn pictures in the video show it with wider than stock rims on the rear (plus a few other rims in the background that look about 9-10 inches?)
@@NOLAZACK If you want the facts, go watch Uncle Tony's video about the car. It was a STOCK Challenger and was a 14 second car at best. There's NO WAY IN HELL that a stock Hemi Challenger was beating all of the other much faster and much more modified cars racing in Detroit at the time.
The biggest evidence that the story is a lie is the car itself. It's quite simple. It's literally _not physically capable_ of being the undefeated legendary racer that they claim it to be. Anyone who knows anything about cars knows the story is BS.
I lived the street racing scene in a small town in the late 70s. A little town called Kannapolis in NC. I bought my first car at 17 in 1976. I bought a Hemi Orange 72 Duster. It had a manual three speed on the floor with a 318. 8 3/4 rear end. Manual brakes and steering. The very next month I started modifying the engine. A set of worked over 340 heads. An edlbrock 4 bbl intake with a 750 Carter avs. Bought a set of cyclone headers and an accel super coil with 8mm yellow wires. Recurved distributor by a guy who owned a garage down the street. My dad and a buddy from school helped me out on the goodies. Car tan great but needed more. My buddy helped me put in a cam dynamics cam and lifters with a true double roller timing chain. The car really woke up and off to street racing we went. That light Duster with its blacked out hood and strobe stripes up the middle. Also black twister stripes down the side. I racked up quite the reputation around school and I never lost a race to a class mate. But on the street I did lose a few to some older guys. That was the way it was in those days. We raced for $20-$40. I never raced for the big money. This was a NASCAR town and a lot of hot cars were here. So I raced cars that I knew would be close or I could beat. I’m sure a lot of guys remember those days here and at the cruise in here I get to relive those bygone days of fun in my youth. But these days I’m in my 70 Challenger. I bought it in 79. Or my 70 GTX I bought in 80. The Duster is long gone. But I still miss that car today. Memories are still crisp and the street racing is in my blood. Every once in while I still get the itch to turn it loose.
A friend of mine had a Duster. He just sold it. I actually have a video here on my RUclips channel of it. His brother has an early 70’s dart that’s had a lot of work done to it. There’s a video of that one on my channel too.
Sounds like you’ve have lots of memories with Mopar’s. All good 👍
@@mruniqueone1975 I am Mopar through and through. I have several that I did have a chance to keep. But I do miss my first car the 72 Duster and my second car a 69 Charger R/T. I will look up the videos and watch them. Thanks for the videos.
@randylear8264 your very welcome
Even Hot Rod magazine was fooled... Mmmmmm !
The world is awash in lying liars
Car deserved a litte more respect and preservation than it got from its original owner in my opinion.
total BS story
Guy who bought it for a million got duped. Dumb money once again overpays. A sucker born every minute.
I did a vid on this too. This was also at the height of the reparations talking bs, and I think a lot of those people wanted to believe this was real. Even Dodge made the Black Ghost to honor a car, they KNOW was complete bs. THey have records they never released about the Silver Bullet, yet, took the struggle session, and bent over, and let this con artist give it to them.
They were made the fool. Thats when I knew, Dodge was done. And now, with the EVs, we know. RIP Dodge.
From what I can tell, there’s no actual proof that the black ghost ever existed.
Hey Bros- Things in the 70s were more simple and Fun ! I feel this is True ,it may have been only a few Races ! the Beauty of the story really is a working man could own something that was considered special ! In High School I bought a rough 66 Chevelle 396 making $2.15 an hour part time. That's the real reason the love of these Cars stand today
Please don't tell me you drink Bud Light ?
Lmao! No bro 😎 I drink Guinness! And whether it’s true or not, I agree with you. It’s awesome working your butt off to get the car of your dreams
@@mruniqueone1975 But you calling them scammers....say it to their faces.
@@NOLAZACKthey are scammers. Fly them out and I'll say it to this soft ass son's face over and over again.
All the street racing shit has been proven as bullshit.
@@NOLAZACK How? Is he literally supposed to fly to Detroit and knock on their door? Lmao
@@NOLAZACK😂piss off, mo ron
I grew up in that era and let me say this. If the Black Ghost owner ran slicks and had the right axle in back, he could clean up. Obviously he would be racing other warmed over performance cars. Not professionally prepped drag cars. Get real! I'm amazed at all the nonsense being spewed about this story from people that for one reason or another, want to minimize the feel good aspects. Apparently they are not happy with their own lives.
🤔… I don’t doubt that it was raced, I just don’t think it was all that.
I don’t doubt that the car was street raced but there’s no way it was “king of the streets” like the son’s film says it was. The Silver Bullet GTX, Sudden Death Mustang II, and the Steve Lisk Challenger were all high 9 or low 10 second cars and a loaded stock Hemi Challenger was a low 14 second car.
Let the buyer beware. He got taken, boo hoo. Should have done his homework and not listened to this snakeoil salesman.
The black ghost challenger is a fraud and a fake. A stock 426 hemi (with zero mods!) would have been anemic during the early 70's Detroit street race scene.
The Black Ghost story is nothing more than a bold face lie. I was born in 73. My dad bout a brand new 1970 Challenger. I now have that Challenger. I have never heard of any black ghosts stores from anyone up until about 2 years ago. Not in any books or papers or magazines anywhere. If it was some kinda legend as he claims, it would have been known before now.
Purple Heart Green Beret paratrooper cop who races illegal in the off-hours? Yeah, yeah, Show me his DD discharge form, because I'm calling bullcrap. EVERYBODY: read your mileswmathis updates daily.
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my 67 belvedere sold used by mr norms in 68 with a dick landy industry , DLi mike landy built 383 spanked it 2 out of 3 races ! the guy who bought it got killed in vietnam it sat in a chicken coup a lot the black ghost is a scam on everyone mabe a hi 12 to 13 second quarter mile car at best ! my belvedere went 10:80s before the widow blew it up !
A D.E.I. fairytale.
Car looks trashed.
Yep this is fake
The 2023 Dodge Black Ghost Challenger makes the original worth some money.
Yeah he is a phibba ,,phibba's can make up some pretty good stories but that one is not even good .
If the story was a lie IT WOULD HAVE NEVER SOLD FOR 1,000,000.
Lol a sucker is born every minute. How embarrassing for you!😂😅😅🤣😂
True
Another idiotic video about this car.
Just because people don't remember a car drag racing on the street & winning over 50yrs ago doesn't mean it didn't happen. You're always going to have haters & nay sayers.
If you knew anything about cars especially Mopars and Hemis from that period this is complete fantasy. Hate as nothing to do with it.
@user-wj2jd8rl9j I've been a Master Auto Tech for 30+ yrs & I'm also very familiar with cars/engines from that Era. There's more than the few witness' in the video that remembered the car. I guess whenever there's a remarkable story about a muscle car & owner in the future regardless of make we will have to subject everyone to lie detector tests. I don't even know y I'm wasting my time responding to this,
Old guy who owned a few hemis back in the day. Takes chassis work more money alot of tuning and dyno time I do not know everything but neither do you. Lets see it run down the strip. Hate has nothing to do with. this B.S.
@@tomboyer2469I grew up in the area , I’m 58 years old . In my youth in the 70’s the Silver Bullet was known by everyone as the unbeatable Mopar, never heard of the Black Ghost. The people in the video recalling the Black Ghost winning are all friends of the family or had become friends with them, of course they will back up a BS story. I street raced cars in the 80’s on Gratiot Ave, because my car was no where near good enough to race on Woodward where the real cars raced and that’s where the Silver Bullet still ruled.
@@tomboyer246930 years a tech and still green enough to buy this bull shi t story? I'm actually embarrassed for you right now. Jfc