The World's Best Sports Sedan is a Cadillac? - The Carmudgeon Show with Cammisa and Hyphen - Ep. 56
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2022
- In this episode of the Carmudgeon Show, 95-year-old Derek Tam-Scott and ex-Yinzer Jason Cammisa discuss their enjoyment of the Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing. They cautiously approach the startling conclusion that the Blackwing is the world's best current sports sedan - but not without a seaworthy exploration of Cadillac’s post-landyacht identity crisis. While unpacking the good, the bad, and the Malaise, Derek realizes that maybe there’s more to our perception of a 120-year-old brand than meets the eye.
Naturally, this discussion is not without mention of past performance sedan greats - including the Chevrolet SS, E39 BMW M5, and Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. And the ATS-V with the pushrod, small-block V-8 - which totally should have existed.
Jason’s ten cars become nine as he bids farewell to Rose Gold, his Cashmere-Beige BMW E30 325i, but not without sending it off with a bumper-to-tailpipe warranty and a deep investigation of a tacho-metric truth. He also celebrates 25 years and 100,000 miles with his 1987 Volkswagen Scirocco 16V and the newly-realized vulnerabilities that come with long-term ownership.
All that and more, brought to you by the Hagerty Podcast Network. 
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cammisa being almost as much of a linguistics nerd as a car nerd is making me feel less alone with my specific esoteric collection of bullshit i know way too much about for no reason at all. a man after my own heart
And his German pronunciation is on point!
I seriosly originaly wrote Pronunciation with a capital P in that comment, because the theme was the German language...
@@TarmenAmzarian well he lived in germany for quite a while
@@TarmenAmzarian I learned some basic German decades ago as a child, and I still find myself capitalizing stuff incorrectly in English.
I'm a new 4 Blackwing owner. My first Cadillac. Traded a BMW for it.
I don't care who makes it, it's the best driving experience I've had in a sedan.
Yes, exactly this! You're a hero.
Just picked mine up and will never sell it!
@@jtthebrick3 it really does feel special in a way I can't fully quantify. I love it. Congrats on yours!
You’ve made the right choice! That’s coming from a BMW enthusiast who’s still rooting for them. The blackwings sure are awesome cars. Personally for me, it’s just saddening to see how far BMW has fallen from grace.
Same. Best shifting car I've had too. I have a boosted e36-7 M Roadster I converted to a 6mt from an e46. It feels rubbery in comparison.
Still waiting on that Piëch episode!
Additionally, what GM needs to do is just make the fuckin SS sedan again. It was absolutely perfect and they killed it for more crossovers. Also, what're your thoughts about the possibility that journalists from magazines and TV shows that spur on companies to make cars faster, not more engaging for the sake of "it's not as fast as [competitor] so it's bad"?
Beyond that why not stick the Aussie turbo cylinders in something, there have to be a few of those lying around and I could see a kid wanting a 2jz from an American company
No one bought the SS...loved it but no one bought it...GM didn't help the cause with no marketing but still...no one bought the SS so why would they make it again...
@@triaxe-mmb for sure but the Australian cars have a cult following with a lot of people because in a lot of ways they embody the best of European and American design, I still think the Barra turbo 6 if offered in a mustang in the US would sell well because it's a 2jz with an American badge on it, the Chevy SS is the definition of horrid marketing, the car should have been branded as the old M5 you really want not an Impala but fast
@@coreygolphenee9633 they can't market it as the M5 you wanted...cause it really wasn't IMO.
it was an e39 M5 clone in handling only; the build quality was inferior to even the Dodge of the era...just very poorly put together cars, and they weren't cheap for the time compared to it's piers.
I would still have one today (shopping for a SS or CTSV) but I remember thinking of getting one new back then in 2016 but the test drive was so off putting I passed - all because of the rattles and squeaks and such from a brand new vehicle...try closing the door of one with the window half open and do the same with a Camry let alone a e39 or modern M5...
@@triaxe-mmb ok there's about 5 or 6 points I cant refute there but you have touched on what Chevy should have been marketing there cars as a while ago, modern Chevy to me feels a lot like 2000-2007 Honda, rock solid reliable often innovative power train and running gear, with a dog shit interior you live with because you know the money was spent where you wanted it to be, historically Chevy is our innovative company in a way and sometimes they don't market as such
It sounds like the "dynamagic" Jason is referring to is the Cadillac stiffening the magnetorheological shock at the outside rear tire (or both rear tires to simulate a stiffer anti-sway) to induce rotation at the limit. That trick would require sufficient weight on the nose of the car to pull it off.
How is it possible that these two can be so good week after week on any range of random eclectic topics? A joy to watch.
And with ZERO preparation.
@@gustavoflorio5383
The truth is that they both have years of preparation. Like a good jazz musician, practice lets you improvise. They both have driven a ton of cars of many stripes and develop opinions. This seems like we are listening on discussions/arguments that they have been having for years.
@@jimiverson3085 only think i would add here is that they both have a big ass brain and they can remember the smallest detail of pretty much every car they ever driven.
@@markokozic , does Jason have a degree in engineering, or economics, or something like that. 🤔
I seem to remember him mentioning - in passing, a year or so ago - that his studies helped him tackle a complex article / episode / etc.
love Hyphen's amazement at Yinz. you'd figure he'd heard of it in his 95 years on this earth.
It's the midwest/east coast version of "y'all."
Australia has 'youse' (pronounced _yooz_ as in, ewes).
It translates directly to yinz or y'all.
@@forgottenautos8461 y’all in the east coast version of y’all as far as I’ve heard- life long east coaster and this is the 1st I’ve heard of yinz
Yinz is just Pittsburgh and maybe Philly. Most of Pennsylvania and Appalachian Ohio has "youse guys" (pronounced 'yooz').
My one complaint about this show, I wish it came out in time for my east coast morning commute. Other than that I love it and happy to have quality content on a Monday. Just need a car podcast to fill Friday.
Have you tried the Everyday Driver Car Debate podcast? Posts Tuesdays and Fridays.
@@gdscheiwe01 Will give it a shot.
Which ones fill the rest of the week?
@@luketmosley Smoking Tire Tues and Thurs, Spikes Car Radio on Wed
@@gdscheiwe01 A little more dry than the others but still added to the rotation. Thanks.
Imagine a CT4-V Competition. Same chassis, same dynamics, short-ratio 7-speed manual, but with the flat-plane V8 out of the new Z06.
Sploosh.
While we're dreaming make it a wagon...
@@Mogy Well, duh. You have to have a comp and a comp shooting brake. And the wagon would probably outsell the sedan.
@@Mogy yes
@@Mogyyes make it uglier and heavier with a higher center of gravity. Amazing.
"I have never seen an invoice from a prostitute" - I'll take things I'd never expect Hyphen to say for 500, Alex
I took delivery of my same colored Blaze Orange 6mt this week. So far I am in love. Gotta get rid of the 4500rpm break in redline on the tach.
4 or 5?
@@neoleo593 4, nearly identical to the car in the preview picture
Just bought the same one...pick it up Monday.
I live in the Pittsburghese part of the USA and your little lesson to hyphen was great.
but eric Clapton did head up Derek and the Dominoes
I bought my ct5 blackwing because I enjoy the fact few know what it is/it blends in with the old man cars. As someone who has dodged many speeding tickets in my Saab wagons, I want stealth.
As a young millennial in Detroit, Cadillac has always had the dual personality of old people/soft suspension and maniacal sport sedans.
This is exactly what I want. I am surprised fewer people desire the blackwings, but I am happy there is still a wait for allocations.
Life changing how this has me looking forward to Mondays!
Hey, you know, if you guys loved the CT4 V Blackwing so much, and all you're wishing for is a V8, can you guys do a Camaro episode? Surely a current gen Camaro SS should be easy for you guys to find/borrow? If a CT4 with a v8 would be "the greatest sports car of all time", I want to know what you guys think of the Camaro SS, which is essentially a CT4 with two doors and a v8 (and no visibility)
I know Jonny Lieberman loves the SS 1LE
that is a good point. poor Camaro getting over looked
@@M67v the 1le is the kind of car thet usually aren't into though
Throttle House has sung the praises of the SS 1LE for years. But it ain't a Cadillac. There's a reason BMW sedans are (were) the ultimate driving machine and not Volkswagen Chevy.
Jason repping the Toyota GR shirt and talking Caddys! Which is your favorite GR offering, available or upcoming? (I'm patiently waiting for a Cammisa episode on the GR Yaris/Corolla!)
Not sure how he would get ahold of a GR Yaris, but I'd love to hear/see what he thinks about the two cars matched against each other.
@@jimiverson3085 Well, based purely off numbers, the Yaris has a fairly noticeable hp deficit, but then also a decent torque boost compared to the Corolla, and, depending on the market, it's also got a little better hp/kg. I think the technology and electric wizardry is much the same between the two.
In short: Yaris is the torquey, flicky lightweight one, the Corolla is the heavier powerful one. All relative of course considering the average weight of most modern cars.
@@joelbillington8536
I'd mainly be interested to see what differences things like weight and wheelbase make to the handling dynamics. HP is a "meh" for me - both are fast enough in a straight line. But It's also academic since there is no way I can buy a GR Yaris in the USA even if I want one.
@@jimiverson3085 I quite agree with you on the power front, both plenty to get yourself out (and in) of trouble. I think inherent to the Corolla being a bigger car it will probably handle a big more sluggishly compared to the Yaris, but again, when you compare the Corolla to a "normal" modern sports car, I'm sure it'll be handling magic.
I used to love listening to these guys, but I can't anymore... I am done hearing their voices! I have to watch them instead... absolutely love the RUclips version! Monday night ritual now. Keep up the great work!
"Standard of the World" refers the the Dewar Trophy. The Trophy required the several cars be disassembled, the parts mixed up and the cars reassembled. Since other cars has such loose machining standards they would not run. Cadillac tight enough standards of manufacture that the reassembled cars ran. So they were truly the "Standard of the World"
E39 M5. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. :)
25:48 Derek's suggestion that the CT4V startup sounded '3800ey' made me crack up. So oddly specific, niche, incisive, and informed.
This is one of the few reasons to open RUclips. Bless y’all.
you guys make my monday better!
Okay, the Buick 3.8 doesn't sound good, but my Dad was unable to kill it, then he gave it to me, and I gave it to a friend who finally took it (still running) to the junkyard. Rust holes the size of your head in the floorboards, but running. 31mpg on the highway in a full size platform. That engine is legend in my book. Damn the haters....
Along with the iron head 3.4 from Chevy and 3.0 V6 from Ford, the 90s economy v6s are all bad ass in my book, dead simple over built and economical if driven within the great highway gearing
@@coreygolphenee9633 The Ford 300ci straight six is a legend. We got more than 300,000 miles out of them. Cheers!
46:16 Cammisa, I actually bought a BRZ, voting with my dollar as best I can. Bought it in 2019 for dirt cheap. Previous cars (recent to oldest): '07 Honda Accord coupe (don't ask), '08 BMW 328i sedan, and the '02 Ford Expedition that I learned to drive on.
I really appreciate the driving characteristics of a sports car. It's a little cheaply made, but it also hasn't (until the pandemic) carried a dealer markup. I got mine for almost 6k under MSRP way back when. Checked the KBB and they say it's worth more now (with 60k miles) than when I paid for it brand new 😄
How does it compare to your old 3 series?
@@ogpd4898 The BMW had a little more power, but it was a bit more unweildy. Plus it was auto, and it would shift at all the wrong times unless you had it in the tiptronic quasi-manual mode. The bimmer was tossable, really confidence inspiring, competent in most situations. Competent, but not grin-enducing.
BRZ is lighter, nimbler, but perhaps a shade less refined. Bit more road noise, bit more of the bumps make it to your butt, but it's way more fun. A little less practical with only two real seats, but God is it more fun.
@@redlion145 I look forward to grinding towards a gr86 i also have an 08 328i I got for around 5k
Jason is correct, the object of a sports car/ sedan is to make an ordinary trip into a drive that puts a smile on your face, and an extraordinary trip into a memory
What is really great about this is that there is an explanation on the magic happening with dyna-thing that spread thin through the episode!
Love the show and, both of you alking about cars. Keep up the awesome show.
Also about to order Gr86 thank you Jason
Jason is correct. Western PA/Eastern Ohio/Northern KY (aka Pittsburghese) is its own unique dialect. And an excellent speech pathology based explanation to the audience of the nuance.
Those magneto realogic dampers are Honda vtec genius and should be marketed as such, they use it in the Silverado for towing which speaks to the versatility
Just finished a final exam. Happy to see this up!
I saw the 'Icons' episode on the 5BW, which definitely helped my decision to buy one. Took delivery on Friday, and drove it on the Breakfast Club Rally on Saturday -- During the break-in period it's totally possible to work through the gears and have fun with the engine at mostly legal speeds, and I didn't really have a problem on tight backroads. I haven't test driven the 4BW, but alongside a small-ish handler like my 911 I think the 5BW offers better variety in driving experience.
I drove the ct4v bw at a cadilac event around the roads near Laguna seca and was abit disappointed. I drive a base Carrera 3.4 and my friend recently acquired an Alfa qv. The ct4v bw engine was just extremely boring compared to the Alfa's. If the ct4v bw had the lt2 from the c8 I would buy one tomorrow.
Have to ask - what was the ADM on it?
@@triaxe-mmb ADM was about one Miata
@@melondoc gheez...and thus out of my price range, lol.
I could afford the CT4V-BW or even "afford" (i.e. don't tell the Mrs, 😆) a CT5V-BW but I definitely can't afford that kind of an ADM on it...sigh...
Congrats on a great car
It’s Jason day like…. all the time now! I love it!
And his trusty sidekick hyphen!
The two long gear sets available in that trans is how tremec keeps the transmission in one piece. Tail rated shaft torque limit is 1450 ft lbs. Either 2.26 or 2.29 gear set x 650 ft lbs is technically over the limit not accounting for mechanical loss already. If you look at torque ratings of the TR6060 gear sets and torque limits are intertwined. At least the caddy and ZL1 have a 3.73 rear end to help low speed. Vettes have a 3.42 making tall gear problems worse. Supercharger isn’t clutched but the LT4 has 460lbs of torque at 1k rpm or 200 rpm off idle. It’s a torque monster.
I moved to Pittsburgh almost a decade ago. I'm dying how much Pittsburgh-ese Jason knows.
I do think that the electric converted land yachts have a lot of potential as classic cars because they represent a truly 100 percent American motoring experience that you can't necessarily replicate anywhere else even if in a lot of ways it can be terrible
I fully understand the 25 year anniversary sentiments, I'm approaching 27 years with corrados and I explain to my son that its where time stands still even as my corrado/s have evolved. It will always be where 2+2=4 and on some days 5 but you know the 5 is right on those oddball days.
Have either of you ever driven a JDM only FD2 civic type R?
Curious to know, thanks
I’m still addicted to my 2007 CTSV the new BW’s are so good but something about the previous gen ATSV still calls my name, especially in carbon pack 👌🏼👌🏼
Monday has become my fav day (eww) because of this podcast series!
E30 coding plug has to match the cylinder count. If you have a 4 cyl plug in a 6 cyl car, it multiplies the tach output by (4/6) like yours. Hence the 740 RPM looking like 500 at idle. I had the opposite problem, my 318is 4 cyl had a coding plug for a 6 cyl and multiplied the tach by (6/4). Coding plugs are cheap and easy to replace.
ATS/CAMARO 1LE Steering was/is magic. Amazing feeling.
I see the LF4 V6 as the main sticking point for properly celebrating the 4BW. My thing is, I have a disease where I can't leave cars stock. From experience a car with factory forced induction has a lot of headroom compared to naturally aspirated. Of course you can throw a blower on an LT small block. But the cost is far more than tuning the V6. The V6 is known to take 600+whp reliably and commonly now. An BlackWing 4 with downpipes and a tune will crack 500whp for maybe $1000. I think that would really change people's impression of this car and motor. A 7500rpm redline would be a game changer too. I bet you upgraded turbos would give you pull to an extended redline. Manuals already have titanium connecting rods and a stout bottom end.
Hey Jason, there’s a GMC Typhoon for sale for 12k over here in PA pretty good condition from all the pictures I’ve seen but it is a rebuilt title… Figured I would mention it since it’s cheap enough that you hopefully wouldn’t feel guilty about buying it… 🤷 or maybe someone else in the comments will be interested, either way I thought I would let you know.
Wow! If an endorsement like this can't convince people to buy the Blackwings, nothing probably will.
@Jason: a revelation on the CT4 Blackwing would be nice.
Love the Pittsburgh shout-out, I'm currently at Pittsburghs own race track
Jason Speaks in Pittsburghese should be a reoccurring segment.
OMG, hearing Jason talk about long gearing in San Francisco...I took my mk7 GLI there and if you know, these cars have an electronic parking brake and hill hold-all a recipe for an unhappy clutch.
Congratulations Jason on 25 years with your VW! I have a few cars that I've had for a very long time so I know how you feel. I have a custom E30 without doors or a top that I just pasted 18 years with. I have a 1949 Ford that my dad got me when I was 14 25 years ago that I drove when I was 14, on a private road of course, but haven't driven since because I started a project to but a Mustang Cobra 5.0 engine and trans and a C4 Corvette superior in it but then got very sick for over a decade which involved 24 surgeries and dying twice so it got put on the back burner. I have a couple other cars I've had for over 15 years but the one that has been in my life for 34 of my 39 years and my dad gave it to me when I was in my early 20s then he passed away when I was in my early 30s so it's becoming another reminder of him is a 1959 Austin Healey Bugeye. I will never part with it. It helps that's it's a ton of fun! My dad had a FB RX7 rotary put in it in the late 80s and I'm in the process of putting a newer and more powerful 13B rotary in it because what everything 1100 lb car needs is 300 hp and a 10k rpm redline!!!
I have loved all the Cadillac performance cars since the 2000s (including XLR -whatever is said about the drivetrain, it was a damn nice looking car) but these black wings are unobtainium...they aren't available and when they are the ADR is insane...the CT4V-BW is great at sticker...after 25-40k markup it's no longer affordable for the guy that wanted it...but it is for those who want to add to a collection...
I am now just looking for a decent used CTSV or something...it still OP for what it is given the current market but it atleast has no insane ADR
Superb review - very entertaining Gentlemen!
Just bought my 2022 CT4-V Blackwing and it's by far the best car I've ever driven. The one thing I do like about the V6 is the potential to make more power with just a tune and minor mods.
6spd or auto?
@@daboxer181 6 speed
Referencing the Cadillac conundrum and why you don’t see more of them; I’d venture to guess the dealers are a large part of the problem. When 5 different dealers either refused to discuss Blackwing variants or demanded multiple thousands over MSRP, but the BMW dealer let me order my M3 however I wanted for MSRP the choice became really easy for me. I would still trade for a CT5 Blackwing, but not at a markup.
Same thing happened to me. One dealer was confused about the blackwing model line-up, where another were asking 20k+ markup along with foolish lies once I discovered the right cadillac forum. Funny thing was that there was a BMW dealership right across from the caddy one but had my eyes set on the 4. Definitely was a LOT longer wait to receive a 4 bw. ~7 months
How do you like the ct4 compared to the QP5 quattroporte?
The avatar concept is interesting to me especially as a Buick Regal TourX owner..... 5 years ago I would have laughed at the idea of being seen in a Buick. I've gotten plenty of (deserved) ribbing from friends over the Buick but find me another German AWD turbo wagon you could/can/would buy in the US (& for under $35K)
What was the best powertrain in a Cadillac? I say the LQ9 6.0 Vortec V6
I thought you guys are going to cry and hug each other. So touching 😝
I'm curious, has Cammisa driven an camaro SS 1LE? Would it just be the can't see out of it, don't want to look at it coupe equivalent?
Curious to know also ...
I mean Pontiac had a SOHC I6 in the early 60's, the tempest was an all aluminum engine rear transaxle IRS car. and honestly cam in block isn't really a lack of tech development when you're making double the hp of a ferrari v12.
You could say it "Dyes-coo-shun-
Cam in block is just another way of doing it, the HP in those instances com from super precise design and tolerance which would be way expensive on a mass scale
Oh, and the other Australian connection.... is the old Chevrolet SS. Here, it was a product of GM's Holden brand, and called the Commodore. What you received, branded as the Chevrolet SS, was the near ultimate version of our Commodore: 6.2L SSV. (Am not sure that you scored the supercharged variant.)
They got an ssv redline with hsv suspension
When Jason dropped the “SS over CT4 Blackwing” I immediately hopped on used car dealers Lmao
Historically, the Holden built GM sedans that came over to the US and North America, have held their value very very well. Just be aware. :)
clarkson put it well with the C7 'vette, and it applies here too. you dont have to make excuses for them because they're genuinely great cars, but you do have to explain them.
Gentlemen, IMO this was a top notch episode. . . Strong words - Jason - about Chevy making the best V8. Better than an AM[F] 4.0 biturbo? But so right IMO. Know thyself, indeed! We could have had the LS engine in 1990 if GM knew themselves as well as I think Porsche does/did!? Instead Lotus was hi-jacked and we got the completely un-Chevy LT5 priced astronomically in an almost normal Corvette skin. Well done yinz; thanks!
Can someone explain to me Blackwing CT6? Why was it here for 2.3 minutes and then off the market? 😭
Surprised you didn’t say “CT4 hyphen V” at any point lol
If you watch Motorsport, especially IMSA you know what Cadillac can do, Dpi is my favorite race car in service right now (9X8 maybe has smthng to say about that in a month)
Long gearing also a result of emissions and/or gas mileage tests?
The _'n' that_ suffix is common in much of Australia - as is changing the double-l final phoneme, to a _w_ , eg. still becomes _stiw_ .
Weird, eh*!
(* pronounced _ay_ , as a form of invitation to consider agreeably. 😄)
they should bring this back on Spotify
My first car would do 60 in first gear, and about 104 in the quarter mile.😁
1971 Torino GT, 351 Cleveland 4v, 4spd.
Learned to drive the 4spd, two weeks after turning 16, on the 60 mile trip home from the dealer in Eugene Oregon, to Florence Oregon on a Beautiful summer day in August of 1977!
Karma was kind to me that day, as when I was driving home, I saw my ex-girlfriend and her cousin, standing by his car parked on the side of the road. Of Course I had to stop!
She dumped me because I lived too far away from her.
Man that sounded so great when down-shifting as I drove up next to them.
Felt even better when I left and lit up the tires! 😁
Oh to be young and stupid, and lucky!
The same night I got the car I was racing a friend of mine.
I asked him how fast I was going when I started to leave him behind. I couldn't tell as my Speedo was buried in the dashboard! He said I pulled from him at about 143 mph. He had a 160 Speedo. Who knows how accurate it was! 😁
I went a bit faster, but the front end started getting floaty, so I shut it down. First time experiencing that and luckily even my 16 year old brain decided to slow down.
Had a lot of "Firsts”, thanks to that car!😏
Only had the car for about 2 years and regret selling it to buy a 1972 Chevelle Malibu 350, 4spd.
Torino was a beast, had all 4 wheels off the ground twice.
Second time landing on the beefy frame skid plate, knocked the rear view mirror off the windshield. Who says Torino's can't fly! 😁
For fun now, I have a 1995 Cadillac Seville STS. That Northstar sounds Sweet when you get up on the cams and give it a good Italian tune up! 👍
Would love to drive a Blackwing.
Mike in San Diego. 🌞🎸🚀🖖
To be fair, GM did innovate in the 60s -- they made an affordable, all independent suspension, turbocharged Corvair, for example. And a V8, FWD Toronado and Eldorado. And had the best automatic transmissions and air conditioners. They did innovate, just not across the board.
I think GM and Cadillac were just innovative in an area -comfort- in which neither Hyphen nor Jason have any particular interest. Cadillac innovations of the 50s and 60s that I find noteworthy are Twilight sentinel (Autronic eye), Power steering 1951, dual circuit brakes 1962-63, climate control (not just ac)1964, cruise control and power "memory seats" 1957 on the Brougham, seeking fm am radio 64, telescopic tilt steering wheel 66.
New Caddy dealership open next to the serramonte vw/subaru.
Raining so heavy in my country *island* podcast + rain + hot chocolate = 💕
Love it
I guess I have to agree with the conclusion... I drive a 4 cyl Giulia. I have previously owned to G8 GTs, essentially a chevy SS, one tuned by Livernois. I really really want a cadillac V.
I got a g8 gt currently, I’ve driven an SS but not a manual. One I drive was a 2014 car without the magnetic ride also. How much better is the 4cyl Giulia? I still think these guys should looks at a G8 considering your can get gem for less than a mk7 gti
Just today, I stopped by a Toyota Dealer in NORTH Miami they were changing 47k for an auto 86. Sat it in saw the monroney left almost running.
What about Quattroporte V, E92 M3 sedan, IS-F, and the new IS 500?
Maybe it's a Midwestern thing where American car enthusiasm is pretty strong, but I have thought that Cadillac did a reasonably good job in their attempts to pivot toward performance with the V branding. My dad has had two CTS-Vs and my gen Z daughter is obsessed with his current one and having one one day. Vs have been held back by Que, interior gripes, and internet hateraid, but they are also undeniably good and IMO do have presence and cool factor.
I think it's awesome that your daughter likes the CTS-V but I'm not sure if it's an indication of the mass appeal of the Cadillac brand. I'm also a gen Z. My friend owns a modified Gen 2 CTS-V. A powerful brutal highway car with an incredible engine. He thought that the ct4v black wing would be a smaller version of his car. But in reality it's focus is completely different. It took us getting a ride at Laguna seca to convince him it wasn't just a smaller version of his car. The rest of my friends don't even think of Cadillac or even GM. I almost bought an ATS-V but the gauge cluster and the engine were awful. I bought an SS 1le instead. All of my friends were confused of my purchase and kind of made fun of me untill I could keep up with their light weight modified cars around an autocross and smoke them around a track. GM performance cars are incredible but nobody knows about it. For example even the most hardcore euro or JDM fan probably has a fairly realistic idea of what a corvette hellcat or mustang is and what they can do. But take like an SS 1le or a ct4v black wing. Most people think it's gonna have bad brakes a squishy rolly ride and either be a straight line drag car or this brutish muscle car when in reality both are excellent balanced track cars.
@@memememine1 totally agree that my anecdote is thin and that GM, particularly Alpha platform cars do not get the credit they deserve. Some of that is our fault, being brand snobs and hating on everything on the internet, and some of that is GMs fault, as they can be exceptionally good at shooting themselves it the foot in idiotic ways - that ATS gauge cluster is a good example, just atrocious. Congrats on the SS, super sweet car. I have a Fiesta ST, so im used to the, "no, it's actually really good..." conversation. 😆
"What's a Cadillac?" In its Icon episode you said its purpose of the Supra was to get people in the door and them say "Man, if they can build THAT thing then I'll take my Yaris with a Sport Pack!" Is Cadillac not doing much the same here? They just did it way, WAY too well.
And I haven't checked, but I bet Cadillac sales people have NOOOO idea how to sell a Blackwing.
P.S. Nice guns, Derek, respect.
Sprinkles are Jimmies in New England too.
I think Cadillac's direction is clearer with their transition to EVs. Looms like they're going for real luxury again. When/if we see a Blackwing EV?? My guess is at least another generation or two of Ultium before the tradeoff between battery density, range, and weight is there but I have no insight.
Liked this discussion. Only small point of contention - Blackwings sell very well, no need to tell people to go try one as there's a 6-12+ month waiting list.
On the sales tax. I agree its stupid but its a sop to the dealers. If I'm buying a new (or used) car and trade in a car on the deal I only pay tax on the difference between the car I'm buying and the car I'm trading. So the State uses the sales tax to subsidize the dealer.
I’d take the Giulia Q - any day. Pref. manual ’16-’17 we got here in Europe
Question from a podcast listener: are you not updating your podcast feed any more?
There's a new one that Hagerty has done, you'll have to subscribe to that one separately unfortunately.
Never considered the ATSV4 to be a good vehicle. Hopefully that’s not the same 3.6 engine architecture as the old 3.6 which was a nightmare to many. In that case sign me up for the Alfa. BTW the HT 4100 had the aluminum block but wore cast iron heads. I know very strange!
In Northeast PA, they actually say "youse" instead.
If it was a straight six instead of a v6 i dont think anyone would have a problem
would love to see that spreadsheet of jasons
Ok, what’s the 2nd best sports sedan?
Also, what’s the best V8 sports sedan (since I only plan to buy a V8).
Pontiac G8! (Literally a cheaper SS)
Thanks Jason I now know where to direct my rage for the habsburg excrement equivalent of Automotive design that BMW is happy to make us look at and sell. Adrian Van Hooydonk
RE: 4 banger gulia
THANK YOU. I daily an E63s wagon. I love my Gulia Ti Q4. So under fucking rated.
Cadillac content - talk about rare stuff that didn't sell, my currently owned 2016 ELR. But - it going bye bye Jason - R1T within the next few months :)
Going left to right, clutch, brake, gas was a Cadillac invention
HT4100 had Iron heads (deep skirted aluminum block). Dare I say the only engine made with iron head and aluminum block.
Vega was also aluminum block with an iron head.
@@tonyflorio3269 I said dare I say because I did not want to look it up. Leave it to GM to build two different engines this way.
"Make the Cadillac of cross-overs. Don't Take a re-badged Chevy..."
If we're talking brand identity for Cadillac, "re-badged Chevy" is it.
Cammisa is fostering cars.
I could genuinely sense the sadness of BMWs demise from you two. Truly is upsetting.
McLaren SLR ! Tell more about that awesome car with the greatest proportions a Supercharged V8 as it should be and the automatic I love
Can confirm his Pittsburgh yinzer accent is correct
Someone V8 SWAP a CT4!!!!
I agree with Derek. BMW after 2013 has been dead to me
I rewatched this after seeing Doug Demuro defending the new BMW M2 design.