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"Yorkshire isn't a place, Yorkshire is a state of mind."
I'm from Yorkshire, and that Mighty Boosh quote always stuck with me.
That's the mighty boosh! I was convinced I had heard that before
Now I got Jay-Z and Alicia Keys in my head blearing:
Tell by my attitude that I'm most definitely from
York-shire (ayy, ah-ha) (uh, yeah)
Pastries of green (yeah) where dreams are made of
There's nothin' you can't do (yeah) (okay)
You can get help for it⁉️
ye can take the lass out yorkshire, but ye can’t take the yorkshire out the lass
I’m: “Yorkshire born, southern bred, strong in arm, and intelligent in head”.
Yorkshire Tea is grown in Equatorial Yorkshire, the locals seem to want to call it Kenya but we all know it's Equatorial Yorkshire
I wonder why they don't call it New Yor... never mind.
New Yorkshire?
New New Yorkshire?
Brand New Yorkshire?
New Yorkshire upon the Equator?
😂😂😂
@@anentity8960 The Newest York?
Kenshire.
Ey up lad that'll do.
@@anentity8960 "Newer York"
Just on a technicality,
1) the word sheriff actually comes from the shortening of the word shire-reeve (a reeve being a Anglo-Saxon local official)
2) counties were never ruled by counts, and count was never a English title. Count is the French/European version of earl, who ruled the shires at the time of the Norman invasion. Because they spoke French, they renamed the shires counties, as it was the equivalent term. This is also the reason why the female equivalent of earl is countess.
Those are both very good technicalities. Thanks for explaining! Wish I’d known them when I made this video.
Its said the reason why the Normans didn't change the English Earls into counts is because the word in Norman French sounded very like a rude word in Old English
Now I REALLY wish I’d known about this before making the episode.
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@@torna2508 tysm for telling me this! i’d thought it be smthn like map men is cancelled but i’m happy they’re coming back!
Did you hear about Yorkshire airways first flight?
A passenger asked "where are we headed?" and was told by the crew "why, we'll fly about for a bit and then land back in Yorkshire - why would anyone want to go anywhere else?" 😊
Hale and Pace fan, eh?
Leave it to jay to write a joke song that’s cut off, only for him to actually have a full song in the credits. Love this stuff
I loved that - really appreciated
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RUclips's gotta do something about these bots, it's getting really out of hand.
Can’t wait for them to try to pinpoint and pronounce Welsh county names in another video
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Being Welsh, they're really easy for me. However, English place names are really weird, with stupid letters and weird pronunciation. It's a mad place East of the Border.
And the only complicated bit we have is Dyfed, and that's just because it hasn't existed for ages, but is still on things as the alternative is changing it to "Ceredigion-Sir Benfro-Sir Gaerfyrddin" on everything.
They said this was their last video if I'm not mistaken
It was always Gwyneff for me.
the way Mark says "different" at 7:11 kills me every time
It sounds like snape
As someone who grew up in greater Manchester, I can tell you that there a lot of people who don't like their hometown being considered part of Manchester, especially the ones on the Lancashire and West Yorkshire border. There are towns in greater Manchester where people fly Yorkshire flags from their windows 👀
I live on the Wirral and I hate it when people insist that we're still part of Cheshire and refuse to acknowledge the existence of Merseyside. Similarly, there are people in Southport that insist that they should be in Lancashire (until you remind them that being in Merseyside means they can use their travel passes to take the train into Liverpool!)
Blooming flag wavers 🦆😁
I spent years living in 'Altrincham, Cheshire' with a Warrington, Cheshire, postcode - but we clearly had Trafford Council logos on our bins and belonged in Greater Manchester. 40 odd years of not being Cheshire wasn't about to stop us though.
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz Both Southport and Liverpool are historically in Lancashire, but people do not realise that the Local Government reorganisation of 1974 was not supposed to alter the historic counties. The correct name, which is rarely, if ever used, should be Local Authority Area.
@@ianatpr Warrington is properly in Lancashire, but politicians put it into Cheshire for reasons unknown. The Mersey is the proper boundary, so it is fair to say that Warrington's southern suburbs belonged to Cheshire. Central Warrington is, however, north of the Mersey. When Local Government came into being in 1889, it was a rule that no town could be administered by more than one county, so Warrington's southern suburbs became Lancashire. 1974 Local Government reorganisation was not supposed to alter the historic counties, and maps were supposed to show the old boundaries, not the new. Unfortunately, cartographers have ignored this rule. Postcode areas are not county-based, and never have been. They are based on Post Office Administrative Areas.
As well as being the smallest county in England, Rutland also has the claim to fame of being the last English county to open a McDonald's. It didn't have one until November 2020.
What an achievement, go Rutland! XD
It also got only one train station, Geoff Marshall visited it in his Least Used Stations videos
The Macky D thing is true, it was a big story on local telly news. However Rutland being the smallest county is England is apocryphal: It had been, until City of London was granted county status. Rutland is now either third or fourth smallest, depending on whether the tide is out around the Isle of Wight.
@@arthurterrington8477 The *City* of London is a county now? These idiots never learn, do they?
@@donaloflynnHenry I was the idiot in in question, in 1132 he granted the City of London county status. So you have the square mile core of the City of London as one county, then Greater London is the other county which covers the rest of London. Therefore two counties form London as a whole (which is also referred as a city, but has no actual status as such... so it makes perfect sense!)
8:23 The ukelele smashing wasn't because Mark wanted Jay to stop singing, but that he'd been reminded that Rutland still exists
Well its an area where most BBC producers, directors, and lovelies live.
Exactly
As an American I realized recently when I started playing more games on maps that I knew tons of names of English counties and cities from books and stuff but had no idea where most of them were, other than like London and Yorkshire.
Same.
And as the years have past I have supplemented those books with the vast majority of my visual media being from Great Britain as well. You think some of the locations and distances would start to sink in through shear osmosis. Nope. Now I just have even more English counties, cities, and dialects, that I "know", and am still confused as to WHERE it all is. 😄
What you need is a pre-1974 map of Great Britain, showing the historic counties. You might be able to obtain a road atlas before this date from a second-hand bookshop, or jumble sale, and they are by no means rare. Most of them indicate the "proper" counties.
As an American, you won't have a difficult time convincing anybody that you are lacking in certain geographical knowledge.
Notably the US has counties too, and very few people know where any of them are either. Not because they aren't well defined, but because there are literally thousands of them.
I do actually wish they had done more to teach counties in school. Map geography is actually more useful then a lot of what we did learn in geography
One used to be able to obtain plywood jigsaws of the counties of England and Wales. There was also one for Scotland, and probably one for Ireland, but I never had that one. There were also similar jigsaws of the USA and Australia. For the USA
each state had one piece, except California and Texas, three pieces, and Montana, two. (This was before Alaska became a state.) In the case of Australia, the states had to be broken up even further. There were roughly 200 pieces per puzzle, and the seas were included to make a rectangle.
What you need is a pre-1974 map of Great Britain and Ireland. I learned the counties by studying maps. I also learned the main trade routes of Great Britain, such as the main rail routes (before Beeching), the main trunk roads. I think everyone should know which London terminus you should go to to travel to other major towns, and the basic road numbering. For instance, roads A1 to A6 radiate clockwise from London, and A7 to A9 radiate clockwise from Edinburgh.
the three types of rock are metamorphic, igneous, and sedimentary
Heck, they don't even need to replace anything with map geography. They could fit it into the curriculum if they don't spend 6 months teaching about how rainforests are wet then speedrun everything else.
How tf is map geography more useful?
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I do not know why that is so funny.
Genius British comedy
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why is J in map men, she has to go back to Copper 9
"What's going on?"
"We're doing Map Men."
Idk why, but that cracked me up so much. You guys are great.
Same, that made me laugh out loud
It would've been great if Mark responded there with "we're the men," Jay replied, "and here's the map" and the video started over
@@shanearnold7781 The first intro was just a fakeout. There's no way they'd do the intro the normal way.
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My fiancé is British and I’m moving over in a couple months.
He spent so long trying to explain counties to me. I was so confused by it all. Too bad that he didn’t know about this video. Could’ve saved him a couple hours 😂
Welcome!
I've been doing research on Wikipedia, wasted time...
Hows england treating you?
@@sethkeown5965 it’s been great, thanks 😁
I watched the video, but I am still not sure about the meaning of this all.
Kentucky used to have laws that made it really easy for locals to split off and form their own counties if they didn't like how the county they were in was being run. That's why Kentucky has more counties (120) than any other US state, despite it only being medium size in area and on the small side in population. When it was first granted statehood, Kentucky had a grand total of three counties.
Georgia (159) and Texas (254) both have more counties than Kentucky (120), as does Virginia (133) if you count its independent city-counties.
Quite the big step up considering at one point Kentucky was itself just a county of Virginia
In addition to Kentucky definetly not having the most counties in the USA, which someone else mentioned, it had 9 when it was admitted as a state not 3.
Did they only ever break apart further and further or did they join together with other counties when they wanted too?
I learned the most counties thing when I was a kid as well. Turns out it’s wrong, even though I’ve been spouting it off my whole life.
Learn something new every day! 🧠🗺
Holy shit, youtube itself has commented on a video wtf
WHAT
Hey RUclips
Bruh?
7th comment ever from yt?
You and Tom Scott posted 3 minuites apart and this isn’t the first time. Together you have made my monday 10 x better
They clearly coordinated this when they were off partially melting/puking into a paper bag in those planes.
IIRC they said that they each schedule their video for 4pm on a Monday, which is a really boring reason, sorry.
Ah, a nerd with good taste, always great to see one of my kind
Just 16:00 on Monday, not a big deal
Woooaaah this blew up, erm ok then.
Now you should make videos about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, since they are DIFFERENT as made clear in the video.
And Cornwall because it is not a county it is it own country unofficially
Onen hag oll!
Moved to the UK 12 years ago and every time someone confirmed my address in the first year, I was horrendously confused 😂
I believed we were in Manchester, got corrected to Greater Manchester, but wrote Cheshire at the end of the address (no mention of Manchester). And the postcode is Warrington…
Postcode districts are not based on counties, and never have been. Please also remember that they were introduced in 1967. (The guinea pig, Croydon, was introduced the previous year.) At the time there were no immediate plans to reform Local Government.
I'm from Worcester, and my computing teacher once said: "we use a base 10 counting system because humans have 10 fingers, apart from in Hereford where they use base 12". All in all I think it's a good thing we are separate again.
I'm also from Worcs. I always thought it bizarre that Herefs and Worcs got combined -- weren;t they both big enough on their own? Even more so that Herefs got first billing when it was the less important and less populous of the two counties, and with the less important county city.
@@rosiefay7283 Exactly, and they're on the wrong side of the Malverns
Hereford is not human?
you can count to base 12 using your fingers by using your thumb to count each of the three phalanges of your remaining 4 fingers.
In Hereford that would give you base 15!
I was born in Herefordshire and grew up in Worcestershire, I was always picked on for having bigger webbed feet than the other kids
Jay: "Now that we've eaten all those biscuits, can do some research."
Mark: "I've done it all."
Me being like jay in every group project
I am like Mark. Usually, I have to take in a coworker that will do almost nothing and I have to do almost all of the work.
I am both, i do nothing and eat biscuits until t-2 days till a project where i will then have miraculously completed it just by the due date
I am the Mark of group projects.
@@SpahGaming who are you trying to lie to? We know what reality is
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What fascinates me is that in Ireland we very much do have a county system, and everyone's familiar with it (Mostly due to gaelic football and hurling teams). I wonder if the difference is also due to the fact that England has a lot more proper cities with their own identity than Ireland. e.g. Manchester and Liverpool are both in Lancashire, but both have completely different identities. Compare this to Ireland, where we have about half of the major cities in those counties named after the county itself, except in certain cases, e.g. Belfast, Downpatrick, Omagh, Enniskillen, Carrick-on-Shannon, Castlebar, Ennis, Killarney, Clonmel, Naas, Tullamore, Navan, Mullingar.
It seems although half of the major cities in other regions are named after the county.
I think also you had a long tradition of local kings, so didn't have too many cities besides that slaveport which the Norse imposed upon your east coast. Your kings then figured it was more fun to fight each other for the right to sell slaves to the Norse and, later, the Normans.
Sherriff is I believe a contraction of "Shire Reeve" or magistrate.
The smallest county Rutland was abolished in the 1960s and after much protest recreated in 1997.The interesting thing is it was too small to have its own services which are done by the neighbouring counties but it's about size of Barbados. Thought - if it was an island in the Caribbean or anywhere else it would be entitled to a seat at the United nations.
Abolished in 1974 not the 60s
-Vatican City- The Holy See is entitled to a seat at the United Nation, and that's just one hill in Rome. Whether or not Rutland gets a seat at the UN has less to do with what services it can provide its citizens than with whether the countries on the Security Council think it should be.
@@timothymclean As the United Nations decolonization committee is reportedly taking an interest in Pitcairn island which has a population of about 50 I don't think Rutland would have any problem.
@@timothymcleanThe Holy See has non-member observer status at the UN, alongside Palestine. The Sovereign Military Order of Malta also has observer status, and they don't really have any territory at all.
Is the Rutles from Rutland?
The entire county situation is so incredibly british. Based on tradition and complete chaos, yet somehow it works anyway.
Break the Union
Release England from this Imperial Shackle
^ Fruitcake XD
*doesn't work in the slightest but everyone's still cheerful and having a beer in the pub and making small talk about it.
County's arnt British exclusive and didn't originate they're
@@ericwalsh2954 nobody fucking asked
I had to memorise all the counties of my home state for school but when I tried figuring out the counties of England I quickly gave up
It’s pretty cool that US states teach kids about the history and geography of the state
Well even if you did, I don't think many Brits have them memorised either...I could probably rattle off more US states than UK counties!
It was a good video tho
From Delaware?
@@OHYS America is a nation of immigrants with nothing to bind them together, that's why they work so hard to indoctrinate American-ness into children.
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That's a lot of counties
@@cheeseburgermonkey7104 after a year of thought, I think those might be better translated as municipalities
I was born in The West Riding of Yorkshire, went to my first school in The East Riding, which then some politicians claim became part of Humberside in my third year, and then East Yorkshire - I only moved down t'road! Now live in ancestral home of 'The Ridings'.
As someone who sleeps on a bed, with a Yorkshire flag hung on the wall overlooking me as I sleep, protecting me from the horrors of Lancashire and the South, I am happy that our pride has been highlighted in this video. God's own County
YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE
I recently was told it was God's on country bc of the Yorkshire countryside not gods own county
My great-grandfather left the West Riding in 1848, first of the family to venture so far, and that's how I always phrase it when people ask where my family came from.
God must really hate football then.
@@sophiabroom Both are acceptable. Depends how secessionist you're feeling that day.
I can't be the only one whos hyped for Unfinished London to start back up
Maybe someone should start an Unfinished Unfinished London series.
AYOOO UL HYPE
may be
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The county song! 🤌🏻😂 Just found your channel tonight & binge watched it all! Excellent content.
4:17 postman pat
I personally enjoyed the postman pat theme being played while discussing postal counties
I'm 100% convinced that music wasn't there until I rewinded to check!
What video was that?
Didn’t notice it. So checked. And now it i my head. Thank you very much for the earworm.
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They should put the bob the builder theme in something about construction.
A nod to the Rutles and their cultural significance is always much appreciated
I have always thought
In the back of my mind
Cheese and onions
@@noalarms4618 I have always thought that the world was unkind
Cheese and onions
@@michaelrobinson166 Do I have to spell it out?
@@noalarms4618 C-H-E-E-S-E-A-N-D-O-N-I-O-N-S
Oh, no
What are rutlians (sp?) like? They seem to like having their own county. Do they have a distinct accent? Can you tell immediately if someone came from Rutland? If there were two people and one was from Rutland and the other from the counties surrounding Rutland could you make a distinction between the two? If so what would tip you off?
The reference at 3:23 is to a limerick by Edward Lear. "There once was a man with a beard, who said: It is just as I feared. Two owls and a hen four larks and a wren - have all made their nests in my beard." I know everyone knows this, but couldn't resist adding it in the comments because I know the poem off by heart.
Never heard of that limerick before. I guess Edward Lear and I both independently came to the conclusion that birds in beards are funny.
You should indeed adjust your opinion that everyone knows this. I'm Czech and I am not familiar enough with the works of Edward Lear, and I suspect most of those I am familiar with I only know in translation. :-)
This has now become my go-to reference when trying to explain counties. Funny, succinct, and surprisingly accurate. A big thumbs up from me 👍
Notts County football club is in the city, and therefore not the county, meanwhile Forest play in the City Ground… which is across the Trent and therefore in the county, not the city.
Classic. Like chelsea playing tottenham for decades (they might still do?)
Imagine being a county fan
@@Oblivion9873 You mean like Chelsea being called Chelsea despite being in Fulham?
American sports teams do that too. New York Giants and Jets both play in New Jersey. Dallas teams technically play in a separate city called Fort Worth. Some of the Washington, DC teams like the NFL team that no longer has a name play in Virginia or Maryland instead of the District of Columbia
Sounds like how in California, Mount Shasta is in Siskiyou County, not Lassen County; Lassen Peak is in Shasta County, not Lassen County, and nothing is in Lassen County except one of California's toughest prisons.
"Right, now that we've eaten all those biscuits, should we start doing some research?"
Absolutely brilliant
Brilliant and delicious! 😊 Those are good cookies.
I love British Biscuits it's quite good and goes well with tea
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In Ireland, the counties and their borders have remained unchanged for centuries.
Co.Tipperary used to be split, Yorkshire-style, into a North and South Riding, but this was abolished in the mid 90s I think. I think Co.Cork was also split into 3 ridings 🤔 but these were abolished a long time ago.
Glad to see that Rutland has returned!
We do have administrative and historic counties, but they match up perfectly except for Dublin.
Your counties remained unchanged, but your language is dying. Many Irish dialects has already died like: *Leinster Irish †* *&* *Newfoundland Irish†*
The first time I saw one of Jays videos I thought what a twit. But I now apologise. Having watched many more of your videos the subtle humour and quick fire gags have bitten me and I can`t get enough. (The theft of the phone gag in the Tower Bridge video ..classic Monty Pythonesque) Loved the Counties song. Keep up the good work. Brilliant.
Thank you Mark for making an executive decision regarding Jay's absurd pink ukelele.
What a lovely comment, I sure hope there aren't any bots/self-promotion/spams in its reply section
A few fun facts:
Just like Yorkshire, Honolulu doesn't really exist. This is because Hawaii has no cities. The lowest level of government in that state is the county. Hawaii's counties are made up of multiple islands, and none of them have any municipalities within them. Honolulu is not legally a city, but a highly urbanized part of Honolulu County.
Arlington, Virginia is another "city" that doesn't exist. It is actually a very small, highly urbanized county with no municipalities.
In the US, counties exist in 48 states; the other two have different names for their administrative units between the municipal and state levels. Louisiana calls its county-equivalents "parishes" and Alaska calls its county-equivalents "boroughs".
Due to a weird state law, Virginia's cities are independent of the counties that surround them, so out of the 43 jurisdictions in the US that are not part of any county or county-equivalent, 38 are in Virginia. The other five are Washington DC (a federal district not part of any state), Alaska's Unorganized Borough (technically not a borough but simply a bunch of land managed directly by the state), and the cities of St. Louis, Missouri; Baltimore, Maryland; and Carson City, Nevada; all of which are independent of the counties surrounding them.
Some cities merge with the county to create a single metropolitan government, as in the case of Jacksonville and Duval County, Florida. Because of this, the entire county is legally considered to be the city, which is why Jacksonville is the most populous city in Florida by technicality while Miami is the "actual" biggest city in the state. This technicality also means that Jacksonville is officially the largest city by land area in the continental US, even though a significant portion of that land is rural.
Cities can cross county lines, but neither cities nor counties can cross state lines. This is because cities are units of the state, not of the county. Counties are also units of the state, which is why they also cannot cross state lines.
You may be wondering, isn't Kansas City in two states? The fact is, there are two cities called Kansas City, one in Kansas and one in Missouri. They make up a single metropolitan area, but legally they are different cities in different counties in different states.
Some states in the north officially have counties but have little to no county government. Whereas the county sheriff's office would police the unincorporated parts of counties in most states, some states such as Delaware simply leave all policing outside of city limits to the state police.
Excellent comment!
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 thanks lol, I spent the better part of an hour typing it out at 2 or 3 am, so I'm glad people are enjoying it
And then you have New York City, which has subsumed 5 counties and renamed them “Boroughs” and now governs them all as a sort of quasi-SuperCounty that exists somewhere between a county government and a State government.
And also: in order to subjugate these counties into the government of Greater New York, 2 of them had to be broken off from other neighboring counties which did not agree to join the new city government.
The five “counties” governed by New York City are (in decreasing order of historical importance):
The Borough Of Manhattan
(formerly New York County)
The Borough Of Brooklyn
(formerly Kings County)
The Borough Of Queens
(formerly part of Queens County)
The Borough Of The Bronx
(formerly part of Westchester County)
The Borough Of Staten Island
(formerly Richmond County)
(Also it should be noted that because the Courts system of New York State is operated at the County level, these extinct counties are still used in all official Court jurisdictions. For example, the superior court of Brooklyn is referred to as Kings County Superior Court)
@@zacharytaylor2983 From what I understand the counties still nominally exist today and are legally distinct from but geographically coextensive with the boroughs. The Borough of the Bronx broke off from Westchester County and joined New York County as part of New York City, then the land that it occupies became its own county, Bronx County. The Borough of Queens stayed part of Queens County when it joined NYC, but the part of the county outside the city limits became part of Nassau County, meaning the Borough of Queens now makes up the entirety of Queens County. New York, Richmond, and Kings Counties were already coextensive with the boroughs and still are. Therefore each borough is exactly coextensive with a county today.
Fun fact: I am not from and haven't been to New York. I just have an obsession with US geographical oddities and way too much time on my hands lol.
@@zacharytaylor2983 same with their District Attorneys. Instead of a single DA covering all of NYC, there are five DAs. Even stranger is with the Roman Catholic Church in Greater New York City: Manhattan, The Bronx, and Staten Island are in the Archdiocese of New York (which also includes Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Orange, and Dutchess Counties), while Brooklyn and Queens is located in the Diocese of Brooklyn (with Nassau and Suffolk Counties, since the 1960's, being part of the Diocese of Rockville Centre, but before that, they were part of Brooklyn).
More Map Men episodes please!!!
jay said on the community posts that map men will come back at the start of 2023
This is how you should teach wisdom - it can't get any better than this. When even the ads at the end are entertaining enough to make up for a video in itself, it's clear that this is one of, if not the, best edutainment (sorry for that word, but as a German, I hope for your understanding) channel on RUclips. Absoulelty brilliant. Please, please, please keep up with it.
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*Cornwall has entered the chat*
They’re just angry that they still have webbed feet
Northumberland has also entered the chat
yeah I agree ahaha I'm literally a Devonian Ultranationalist
The fact that we’re a duchy just complicates things more
@@thereptilianoverlord1346 correction it’s Northumbria that’s entered the chat
And now I know why the Cheshire Cat introduces himself as Unitary Authority of Warrington Cat.
Oh thank you Nextian, my friend!
There was a Prime Minister once who had a “Cheshire cat smile.“ What was his name again, now?
For a comment like that, I can aFforde a like.
@Tofu_0w0 Yep - that’s who I was referring to. There were a Diana movie where Prince Philip was irritated with Tony Blair and referred to “his Cheshire cat smile.”
Or perhaps Halton-- wasn't Lewis Carroll associated with Daresbury?
I don't even live in england, i have no idea about the counties in UK, but i so love to watch these guys!
Every time after a hard work day when i see Map Men on youtube suggestions, i begin singing its song and decide that it is exactly what i need right now! :)
4:54 "Coventry's got all the big shops"
can't believe they predicted binley mega chippy
Am from the states. Couldn't care less about british politics or geography. Have watched every Politics Unboringed, Unfinished London, and Map Men. You make these topics so much fun to learn about. Keep up the good work.
I am also from the 'States. I think it's hilarious their counties are so small, and yet some states in the 'States have counties nearly 3/5ths as large as the entirety of *England*, not including the whole U.K.
@@sigmasquadleader Then you've got San Bernardino County in California, which is a shade under 21 thousand square miles... Only English as a whole is bigger.
@@sigmasquadleader If the population in those large counties in the US somehow gain a large influx in people, those counties will turn into smaller ones. That's the nature of how local government works.
@@sigmasquadleader Just give it more time. Once you have more people living within those counties, each cities from every corner of those counties might diverge to their own counties, or at least there will be a level of division or re-drawing. Even the electoral districts change once there's enough people to create a new one.
@@sigmasquadleader Hell, Alaska's biggest county-equivalent, the Yukon-Koyukuk Census Area, is bigger than the UK as a whole. It's roughly the size of Norway or Japan.
I used to work at a power company in the "Address Maintenance" section, which was essentially going through an enormous and badly formatted database and making sense of addresses that the National Grid said were wrong.
This video and the whole business with 1974 does explain why I kept encountering "Cleveland" and "Humberside" although, I am still baffled at "Perthshire", a Scottish county which I believe has not existed since 1932. How and why someone's address had a county listed that had (at the time I worked there) not be used for eighty years is beyond me.
The county councils of Perthshire and Kinross-shire merged in 1932 though legally they remained seperate counties until 1975. The post office or Royal Mail never recognised the new regions and Islands Areas of Scotland created in 1975 and largely kept to the old system. Since the 1990s though the Royal Mail has officially discoursged the use of counties in addresses.
@@pedanticradiator1491 Ah, I see. So, "*just* a 40 year discrepancy rather than a 80 year one.
Only slightly less embarrassing for the power company I worked for?
Perthshire does exist and was never abolished!
@@pedanticradiator1491In the Civil Service we were always instructed to include the county in the address, unless it was a "large town", or one which had the same name as the county, and a few others which politicians moved from one county to another in 1974. I retired in 2012 and we never had a directive to omit the county name, except as above.
@@andrewtaylor5984 fair enough but I can remember reading something about the Royal Mail saying that as long as there is a postcode you don't need the county pius they do not mind which county name you use
8:20 Aged FANTASTICALLY
Jay, I thank you for taking the time and effort or hiring someone with it to supply closed captions for the deaf and hard of hearing.
Makes it a lot easier to share your content when you are able to be understood by more people! Thank you so much :)
You’re very welcome! :) Please let me know if there’s any way I can improve it. (I type them out meself!)
@@JayForeman adding names before the actions or statements performed always helps, but never EVER have travelling captions, it drives the everyone in the Deaf community that I know crazy.
You're doing rather well, actually, and unless you have someone talking over you, it's quite understandable. By using an "[ACTOR]: [STATEMENT/ACTION]" phrasing of CC it can help sort out who is who in each video, since the Deaf can't always get a name registered quickly. Just easier for one-time watchers.
Thanks for checking in and asking! It's hard to find someone who cares so much :) I hope when I start my own content that I can pay such attention to the wishes of my own viewers to make my content the best it can be.
Thanks, Jay!
@@buzzfiend Hi Seth. Thanks for these useful tips to help improve subtitles/captions. But, one thing, what’s a “travelling caption”?.
@@pete.youtube it appears my reply has been removed...?
"Travelling captions" meaning captions that change position often. Another major issue is splitting info across the screen. As long as the information expressed stays in one place, and isn't fractured into multiple places, it should be more help.
I hope I've helped in some way! I would post a link to something that would help me explain more, but I think RUclips censored my comment for some reason.
@@buzzfiend Thanks!! That's very helpful.
You forgot the real reason this was all done:
To ensure that in the event of an invasion by Johnny Foreigner, they'd be so confused that they give up and go home.
That seems like exactly the kind of wishful thinking that the English have been employing in their relations with foreign nations lately 😉
@@Snowshowslow it's worked flawlessly since 1066...
@@Snowshowslow Give it a go, mate
Who is Johnny
@@adonaiyah2196 Johnny Guitar ofc
Your videos are very informative and entertaining, and lead to good discussions. Keep up the good work!
I just stumbled over this... This is by far the best RUclips Intro I have ever seen!
Glad we got to hear Jay's all the counties song.
To listen without skipping to the end, here: ruclips.net/video/_zoctfMk69c/видео.html
Some added info to the "manageabke chunks of land" (2:05): After the French revolution, the country was divided into "départements" (roughly the size of counties...), and their dimensions AND the choice of the town as administrative centre were defined such that this town could be reached on horseback in one day from any place in the département.
That’s a lovely fact!
@@JayForeman when’s the next video coming out?
@@JayForeman there was a similar standard in the US of counties needing to be a days journey since county seats contain the county courthouse. That's why east of the Mississippi the counties are small and irregular since horse was the primary form of transport at the time the counties were founded, but west of the Mississippi the counties are big and boxy since by that time the primary form of transit was rail
@@buildermaster4421 It’s came out now.
Replying from 26.02.22 (02.26.22 if you are American.)
And up northern sweden around the same time the parishes was so big that the peasants were exemt from going to church every sunday as it took several days by sled to reach the church!
As someone who is a first male line descendant of Thomas Manners, 1st Earl of Rutland of whom I share a name I have honestly no idea why Rutland is a county
Just binged all of map men in the last 2 days and this is the last video (idk why. random order). You two have such a fantastic style. Love the videos. Hope to see more map men soon
"Hey pesto!" The uke's fixed! And Jay got his yearly haircut.
Pesto. Olive oil, bay leaves and pine nuts crushed together into a paste. Usually ate with pasta. Hmmm. Nope still do not understand the comment.
@@mbak7801 Basil leaves, not bay leaves, are more traditional. Also, the comment above is referring to 9:06 in the video, when the sock puppet says "Hey pesto!" instead of the more common "Hey presto!"
*presto mate
@@mbak7801 usually eaten with pasta. If you’re going to be pedantic at least be right.
He almost never uploads, but when his people need him he comes through.
Yes
@Suddenly I don't want to hear voice of Satan
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I love that you use Postman Pat’s theme tune for the bit about the royal mail
This is amazingly informative.
2:29 I love this channel because of moments like this. For a gag less that five seconds long, Jay has put on an entire suit with three (?) layers and styled his hair differently, then the rest of the video carries on normally.
There was the time he carried an entire drumset to the set just so he could bah dum tss
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@just do it ookooooloooooookooookokookokkookklokkllolll
"But we're not taking Citation Needed for an answer" subtle jab at the Technical Difficulties (who are mostly from Yorkshire)
Mystery biscuits
@@ArtyFartyBart oh yeah
Thanks for finally clearing this up! I´ve been trying to get better at geography, and the UK always leaves me a bit puzzled. This will end now, thanks to you guys! :)
As a native of Hull... properly Kingston upon Hull, I must offer a correction. The Humber is an estuary, not a river. Brilliant video.
As a foreigner living in the UK, this is both fascinating and horrifying. Love your vids, guys!
Where are you from
Can I ask which county?
I'm in Worcestershire :P
@@ZombieUniverse132YT-channel I’m in Devon :p
@@jamaphy8621 im in t' famed YORKSHIRE
Horrifying?
I was SO RELIEVED when the county song came on at the end. Had me very upset at Mark for a moment.
6:51 that is a mouthful in 20 seconds. Love you Mark.
This is wonderful! I’m English and have always lived in London. I grew up in Camberwell which is part of the Inner London Borough of Southwark BUT when I was growing up, we were part of the County of Surrey. The Oval cricket ground is the home ground of Surrey County Cricket Ground and even further into London.
Now I live in Beckenham which is part of the Greater London Borough of Bromley. However, our postal address is Kent!
There's actually **two** East Riding of Yorkshires.
One with Hull ("ceremonial"), and one exactly the the same but with Hull removed ("administrative") as they don't like the country they're (not) inside and wanted to rule themselves.
Even confusinger, the postal town of many villages in East Riding, but near Hull is "Hull", despite it being a seperate thing.
And then there's a supposed "East Yorkshire" (no riding) that groups the non-Hull East Riding and Hull into one thing. 😅
This is the case for most counties.
Were you watching the video?
meanwhile if you need the police or fire brigade they're still branded for Humberside, although if my house was on fire the county may be the least of worries,
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Feckin Hull
All of which are different from the 'Yorkshire East' parliamentary constituency, which just to add to the confusion only contains part of the East Riding (and none of Hull).
Your work is brilliant and only getting better.
Im an Australian bloke with two grandparents from yorkshire.. was talking to my nan who's still alive and was telling me about her time in England before she got on a ship and came to Australia. It's truly fascinating my roots. G'day to all you Yorkshire people.
This is, by a county mile, THE *BEST* episode of the excellent map men, ever, in the history of time.
~ signed an unbiased Yorkshireman.
It was really good and I don't even care about the topic all that much.
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"county mile"
Hehe
No such thing as an unbiased Yorkshireman.
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@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 We've got a lot to be unbiased about ;-)
I hope Jay’s county and county town song exists in full somewhere.
* waited until the end. Was rewarded.
Of course you know it's going to end up like the underground stations song - people'll always be insisting he has missed one.
Exactly this. I wrote a tweet, came to the comments before sending it, read the first comment and knew I could delete my tweet.
Thank you for this comment.
@@AgentWaltonSimons I tried making a transcript and used Wikipedia's list to see if I got the spelling right. I can't make sense of the list, so it's somewhat impossible to tell whether he has missed any. There are 39 counties listed in the song, as far as I can tell, but I'm not sure what number to compare it to.
Oh, and in case you want to look up the transcript and my comment is buried, I might as well copy it:
Leicestershire, Oxfordshire, Rutland, and Warwickshire,
Northamptonshire is next door,
Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Lincolnshire,
Huntingdonshire and there's more,
like Suffolk and Essex and Surrey and Sussex
and Nottinghamshire in the center,
Devon and Cornwall and Dorset and Somerset,
Kent, and what comes after Kent? Er-,
Westmorland, Cumberland, also Northumberland
and County Durham below,
There's Lancashire, Gloucestershire, Derbyshire, Cheshire,
Eleven more counties to go!
Shropshire and Staffordshire, Berkshire and Hampshire,
and Herefordshire, next to Wales,
there's Hertfordshire, Middlesex, Worcestershire, Wiltshire,
and Yorkshire with all of the dales,
And Buckinghamshire's the end of the list,
There's no need to sing any more,
'Cause we're not doing Scotland or Wales or new ones invented in nineteen seventy-four!
@@Codraroll Those are indeed all 39 of the historic counties of England: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_counties_of_England#List_of_counties for the reference list.
I work at a current English heritage organisation and the “county” thing is a constant source of contention among our audience.
This was such a great video. Funny and informative. Cleverly done.
Sheriff comes from "shire reeve". Reeve's were chief magistrates in the Anglo-Saxon days of Britain who essentially policed each county, hence the current meaning of the word "Sheriff".
Sherriff's coming hide the duty free 😂
As a resident of Nottinghamshire I appreciated the "where's Derbyshire?" joke
I felt exactly the same!
I live in Leicestershire and I’m still not sure where it is
Same lol.
As a Leicestershire resident, I can agree. Always a first time I guess :D
as a Derbyshire resident, I can agree that no one knows we exist.
Wow, not sure how I got here but I'm really enjoying how well put together this is. Nice one 👍
This video made me realize I need to know more about English thingies. Subscribed.
IDEA: If you haven't done it before, I'd love to see a video investigating the problem of online maps changing their place labels at different zoom levels. Sometimes I'll look for a town and be unable to find it because at almost every zoom level it's showing me some inconsequential suburb's name but not the name of the town. I've no idea why this issue persists, and I'd love to see some BTS investigation.
You and me both!
tbf people where im from always get annoyed because on the zoomed out version of most maps, our slightly bigger rival city gets put on as the main town in the area instead of us, despite us having wayy more historical significance, and just being the better city.
I read the start of this comment as "IKEA:" at first. And thought, "Yeah, now there's a place that really _needs_ a map".
According to a particular strain of conspiracy theorist, my local area doesn't exist either.
It's probably better to call it my _country_ - Australia.
Or.....road names - I'll be looking for the A501 and suddenly there's this road called Marylebone Road and the A501 has disappeared.....or a friend tells me to meet them on Marylebone Road and all I can see is a massive A road with a load of B roads hanging off it.
I love that you played postman Pat's song in the background while talking about postal stuff.
How did I miss that! Brilliant :D
Lol French flag. I wanted to say that the French régions are kinda similar to counties. The historic regions still exist but modern administrative divisions are completely different (Nantes isn't in Britanny, Occitania should've been all of southern France and not just the southwest). And on top of that in 2015 they've changed administrative divisions once again, forcefully uniting Germanic Alsace with ethnic French Champagne (which is horrible!) And on top of that, even the historic cultural regions aren't completely the same as ethnic regions, for example in Alsace there's a small place with a French dialect and not a German one (In the Pays Welche they speak a romance Lorrain dialect).
Plus, the fictional town of greendale is supposed to be placed in yorkshire.... fantastic stuff ill say. and yes i looked that up.
Im from denmark, where postman pat, is famously known as Postman Per... so i recognised it instantly.
But as a Czech, I have yet to figure out why they play Dvořák's New World Symphony for Yorkshire.
@@beth12svist there’s a brand of bread which used to use a nice theme from the New World in its ads!
On the back of this... do you think you could do something about the "Isle of Axholme" and it being the only slice of Lincolnshire on the west of the trent?
It has a Gainsborough telephone code, and DN Yorkshire postcode and is 100% in North Lincolnshire having previously been 100% Lincolnshire.
Thanks for all the fantastic videos, Jay ! If you'd ever consider explaining the highly confusing british commonwealth, surely not only i would be very grateful. Admittedly, it's a slightly larger scale. However i can't image anybody better suited for the task than you. Thanks again !
Mark’s deep-seated hatred for Rutland rises to the surface once more. What did Rutland do to make him this way?
Probably had a ex girlfriend from Rutland
It's more about how Rutland hasn't done anything at all.
Competing musical talent.
@@frederickoftheartic2209 nah. That would require there being someone from rutland.
Exist
"Named after the Rutles"
I bloody love the visual gags you guys put in these videos. Always worth the pause.
A great band - truly a musical legend that will last a lunchtime.
Then there's Monmouthshire where no one knew if it was English or Welsh for 500 years
It's a peculiarly English talent to take a simple concept and bureaucratically butcher it
Every time Jay uploads another Map Men, I get excited to see how many 'men's he decided to include in the opening song.
One day it's going to be "mappity mappity mennity mennity" and i will die of happiness
I’m still waiting for a maps only map men song. Map map, map map, map map MAP (map map).
the fact that the subtitles are accented really goes to show the effort put into these videos
Great, now I'm gonna have to watch it all again with the subtitles on.
What do you mean?
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Just came across this channel by accident. Instant subscriber, hilarious and informative 😂😂😂
I am so glad you did this video lads. As a resident of a town in Lancashire and West Lancashire, it’s appreciated
2:11 personal time stamp
It is not personal anymore.
tehehehehe
Faint.
i love their cheeky laugh
So many soundbites in every video
"isn't that only for nerds?" I think you may be unaware of your target audience here lads
Not really. When a RUclips video is getting over a million views in a single month, its audience is naturally going to be diverse.
@@donaloflynn There are a lot more nerds than you think due to the Digital Revolution, depending on your definition of what a nerd is. The old definition doesn't work anymore since everyone uses computers and plays video games while comics and superheroes are seen as geek culture (a group nerds are increasingly disowning due to toxic behavior). Plus, there's 67 MILLION people in Great Britain. That's more than enough for a million nerds.
Especially because this is definitely watched by people not in Britain, such as me. There's your diversity of the audience, I guess.
The Counties Song at the end of the video is almost unreasonably catchy. I might watch the entire video a second time just to hear it again.
because of what happened in 1972, by grandparents grew up, got married and gave birth to my dad in Lancashire, raised my dad in Cheshire, then my grandad died in Lancashire. all without moving house since the 1960s
Don’t forget that between 1542 and 1972 everyone was confused over whether Monmouthshire was part of Wales or England.
Considering England took over Wales in 1349, it didn't really matter :-)
It's a weird bit of confusion considering that the Laws in Wales Acts fully annexed all of Wales to England, meaning there was supposed to be no administrative difference between being "in Wales" vs "in England", because being in Wales meant you were in England. I guess the only time it really mattered was when they fully defined Wales as legally its own thing in the 1970s, which included Monmouthshire on the basis that it had been counted as one of the counties of Wales in the 1535 Laws in Wales Act, among other reasons.
@@vladimirlenin8917 Sunday closing act 1881 repealed the annexation of Wales and identified it as a separate entity
@@thomasellis445 Sort of but not really though. It acknowledged that Wales existed, as did some other laws in the following decades, but did not give it the legal distinction of being fully separate from England. It also did not apply to Monmouthshire, which makes it clear that, until 1972, laws applying only to Wales just ad hoc decided whether they thought Monmouthshire counted as part of Wales.
Sort of like Berwick-upon-Tweed.