@@SquimJimhey bro spys gun is likely hyper important if you wanna play decent and save yourself with good aim. So yeah 25% slower is a really big deal
From what I can tell, having run a modded mvm server for several years now. If an attack deals more than 32,768 damage, it will wrap around starting from 1 again, but this is ONLY visual. For example, an attack dealing 100,000 damage WILL do that damage, but for display this wraps around 3 times and will show as -1696. This also causes damage to not record to the scoreboard properly. Not sure why there's some sort of integer limit for this, but it's there. So, when you backstabbed the giant heavy for "21,220" damage, it added onto 32,768 once for a total of 53,988 (Not quite 54,000 as expected, but the heavy's health was flickering from the overheal so he was just under 4,500 at the moment of backstab.) Furthermore, since a backstab deals 6x the target's health, you could achieve maximum backstab damage at the 15-bit integer limit of 2,147,483,647, by simply spawning a robot in mvm with a health value of 357,913,941. If this bot is given any more health, the resulting damage becomes negative and won't do any damage at all. Hope this helps.
Actually, I think that the Spy's sapper should be counted. The stock sapper deals 25 damage per second while on an enemy building, and the rescue ranger can repair buildings but doesn't remove sappers. Therefore, against a building that was being constantly repaired by an engineer using the Rescue Ranger, the sapper could deal constant damage until the server crashes - about 6 months according to Shounic, giving the sapper a maximum damage of ~388,800,000 (6*30*24*60*60*25)
@@mr.d00m37 according to the teirlist paramaters at the end, damage over time effects count towards the total highest damage a weapon can do. Also the argument could be made that spy only clicks once, and thus does this damage "in one hit"
The rescue ranger can't actually repair things that are sapped. However, at least formerly (I don't know if this still happens) you could have one side of the teleporter sapped, and the other side not sapped, which lets you repair the sapped side with your wrench by hitting the unsapped side, and it won't break the sapper. Thus, this would still work. (assuming the trick still exists.)
@@elkssr sapping a building in the middle of it's upgrade animation you can create a sapper that cant be destroyed by engineer, instead the building gets healed. not sure if it is just mid upgrade animation in general or if it had to be a lvl 2 or 3 building picked up and being placed back on the ground by the engi and middle of it being re-built. but yeah it is possible to heal buildings that are sapped also in mvm building upgrade canteen fixes buildings that are sapped. so does upgrading building health (and you can go between adding the upgrade, then removing the upgrade and adding it back again without leaving the upgrade station to fix the buildings without credit cost or ending up maxing the upgrade)
10:09 ironically if the plugin is updated to work with the 64 bit update theres a chance that cap is lifted considering 2147m is the biggest 32-bit int.
9:17 so the reason why the number displays as 21220 is because the damage number actually overflowed. the maximum damage number the HUD can display is 32767 (max signed 16 bit integer value). you stabbed the heavy at 4499 HP, so it actually resulted in 53988 damage-- subtract this by 32768 and boom, 21220 on the HUD
Something I just noticed while watching this video, TF2 Characters will have a worried expression on their face when on low HP, specifically the portion at which you get the low health warning (the flashing health cross to be clear).
What I find funny about the knife taunt kill is you can do the same job but quicker, easier, more consistent, and just generally better by just backstabbing people normally.
I mean that's kinda true for _every_ taunt kill, isn't it? Except maybe Sniper's Skewer, due to the stun from the first half and how quick it is in general And I guess Heavy's Showdown too due to its ridiculous range and having an option to somewhat reliably set it up via the Holiday Punch
My guess (prewatching) for highest damage: Backstabbing the Heavy while the Heavy is under the effects of the King power up + full Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + Max normal Overheal; (Heavy’s base max hp of 300 + 100 from the King Powerup from mannpower +100 from the full use of the Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + max normal overheal) * 6 = 3,600 damage I FORGOT ABOUT THE DAMN KNOCKOUT POWER UP!
I remember seeing a spy montage back in the day that used the Dead Ringer's backstab protection to fly into the air and get a stab on an enemy. That thing was broken.
6:45 in addition, youd still get the normal knockback applied to yourself, so if you were airborne or otherwise above the spy who backstabs you, most commonly by having him be a friend and standing on his head, you could fly across the map.
Surely the spy can deal ludicrous amounts of damage, the backstab is really powerful. Yes, he can. And don't call me Shirley. (I know that joke is from Airplane and not the Naked Gun series, but I just couldn't resist.)
The damage rounding might be happening on each step of the damage calculation. It does depend on the ordering though. If you assume that strength and minicrits happen last, the diamondback/ambassador formula is: 40 x 0.85 is 34 34 x 1.5 is 51 51 x 1.3 is 66.3 truncates to 66 66 x 2 is 132 132 x 1.35 is 178.2, truncates to 178.
I don't know if you talked about it but in 100 player servers, soldier can do infinite damage. Like at a certain point the game literally stops counting and just puts inf.
Do as best you can to avoid getting dry sockets! I got them and food got stuck up in them, which will be far more painful than your teeth hurting even on opioids!
If I had a nickel for every tf2 related RUclipsr had a manscaped sponser in a video today. I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
With custom MvM missions, which only require writing a text file, you can give robots custom attributes and health, so there's a lot you can play around with there
I’ve got an idea. What if you made a video trying to beat Solider’s record by progressively cheating more and more, using commands that couldn’t occur in game, completely impossible situations, maybe even community game modes
For backstabbing the giant heavy; Hitnumbers are a signed 16 bit integer and cap at 32,767 and roll over. Negative values are only used for healing, otherwise it is treated like a 15-bit number and carries over. Not sure where the last 12 damage went though
honestly i really like the modern enforcer, specifically the resistance peircing. specifically because spy is an influtration class who can already kill high health targets at the risk of revealing their squishy self. and having resistances makes players particularly cocky. and with buffs often being area based or at least making them an ancour it's harder to backstab. change i would say is instead of a weird damage boost on disguise making the downside nothing, move the damage buff to when the resistance peircing activates, maybe even extend it to any buff or if you're feeling nasty any status effect so it can maintain those damage highs but make it a bit more interactive than just the first shot, cause right now it can 2 tap light classes like the other guns. i genuinly don't get why people call this weapon bad you can solo a wrangled sentry from outside of the nest with a single clip.
Related to your enforcer tangent: I think it should be able to pierce sapper armour (I think it’s technically not a resistance but a damage penalty to the revolver but still) I think I could secure a nice niche as a building buster since it pierces wrangler shield as well
Honestly would be neat to see this series with MvM upgrades factored in. You can't stack them with Mannpower powerups in the vanilla game, but it'd be cool to see Demo swords kicking ass with their damage upgrades (because yes, Demo's swords have damage upgrades in MvM! Demoknight can be viable).
considering there used to be a thing where running a tf2 server on either a linux or windows would determine whether engineer got 40 or 41 metal from small ammo packs, i wonder if that also applies to damage rounding
it seems like backstab damage is a short internally, which means values are limited to the range -32768 to 32767. when shorts are uncapped, any numbers higher than the max will overflow and any numbers lower will underflow. accounting for this, the 21220 damage + 32768 is 53988, just about perfectly on the mark for the 54000 it should be. not sure where the extra 12-13 went, likely some intermediate step in the calculations.
there is another way to get a higher organic backstab without cheats, but it's not easily done, and likely hard to track. Mann Vs Machine has the overheal mastery upgrade, which would let the medic increase the max overheal to 150% bonus health, bringing the heavy to 750 max health. With fists of steel swapped to after, that should theoretically do 9000 on a backstab. the tricky part would be to actually test this.
You could also try doing Minimum / Maximum in MvM! Such as Katana demos being 1 tapped by Zatoichi (They have 750 health), or hell, backstabs on steel gauntlets which 1 tap them too
An idea about the dead ringer You said that on a backstab against a spy using it the damage goes up to 187, killing the spy regardless. And overheal would not be able to save the spy since it caps out at 185. EXCEPT if you're using the kunai. A spy using the kunai and being healed by a medic would maintain the kunai's overheal, since while mediguns can't overheal past their limit they can still maintain overheal (this is most apparent with a stock medigun and the quick fix). So if a kunai spy that is being healed by a medic gets a backstab AND THEN gets backstabbed while holding the deadringer out, that spy would IN THEORY be able to live through a backstab.
Probably good to mention why I mentioned having a medic at all. It's just to keep the overheal at 210 without it diminishing, which would make achieving this more manageable.
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Heavy can use dalakos bar then get power up while being overhealed?
@deirasjankauskas3381 The Dalokohs Bar has never effected Heavy's max overheal, unforunately.
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@@SquimJimhey bro spys gun is likely hyper important if you wanna play decent and save yourself with good aim. So yeah 25% slower is a really big deal
Spy's maximum damage existed during Jungle Inferno, when Heavy could have infinite health.
Buh?
Elaborate
@@Jack-rb1ml there used to be a bug where heavy could repeatedly eat the dalokohs bar and get infinite hp gain
@@ocksie heavy constantly eating to make himself invincible is a very funny thought
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An Uber charge in a form of a chocolate bar. Nice.
From what I can tell, having run a modded mvm server for several years now.
If an attack deals more than 32,768 damage, it will wrap around starting from 1 again, but this is ONLY visual. For example, an attack dealing 100,000 damage WILL do that damage, but for display this wraps around 3 times and will show as -1696. This also causes damage to not record to the scoreboard properly. Not sure why there's some sort of integer limit for this, but it's there. So, when you backstabbed the giant heavy for "21,220" damage, it added onto 32,768 once for a total of 53,988 (Not quite 54,000 as expected, but the heavy's health was flickering from the overheal so he was just under 4,500 at the moment of backstab.)
Furthermore, since a backstab deals 6x the target's health, you could achieve maximum backstab damage at the 15-bit integer limit of 2,147,483,647, by simply spawning a robot in mvm with a health value of 357,913,941. If this bot is given any more health, the resulting damage becomes negative and won't do any damage at all.
Hope this helps.
Non-giant robot, I take it?
Correct, the robot needs to be non-giant.
there is an integer limit because every number in a computer has a limit no matter how obscenely high it may be, it's not like you have infinite bits
My guess, his max damage is going to be high, and his lowest is going to be low
Who told you!?
Mind blowing
My guess, his max damage is going to be low, and his lowest is going to be high
Dude, no spoilers
Early access
Man, I can't wait for the Red Tape Recorder part of this video!
The Red Tape Recorder:
Red Tape Recorder? I hardly know her!
@@SquimJim nice
@SquimJim my Friend will draw the red tape recorder as anime girl. Congrats
@@Cashbans How's the project going?
@TheLastPiecePizza-Alex- it's not me who is drawing is my Friend
They called Asexmedic so ask them
Actually, I think that the Spy's sapper should be counted. The stock sapper deals 25 damage per second while on an enemy building, and the rescue ranger can repair buildings but doesn't remove sappers. Therefore, against a building that was being constantly repaired by an engineer using the Rescue Ranger, the sapper could deal constant damage until the server crashes - about 6 months according to Shounic, giving the sapper a maximum damage of ~388,800,000 (6*30*24*60*60*25)
Not in a single hit
I'm pretty sure you can't repair a sapped building no matter what
@@mr.d00m37 according to the teirlist paramaters at the end, damage over time effects count towards the total highest damage a weapon can do. Also the argument could be made that spy only clicks once, and thus does this damage "in one hit"
The rescue ranger can't actually repair things that are sapped.
However, at least formerly (I don't know if this still happens) you could have one side of the teleporter sapped, and the other side not sapped, which lets you repair the sapped side with your wrench by hitting the unsapped side, and it won't break the sapper. Thus, this would still work. (assuming the trick still exists.)
@@elkssr sapping a building in the middle of it's upgrade animation you can create a sapper that cant be destroyed by engineer, instead the building gets healed. not sure if it is just mid upgrade animation in general or if it had to be a lvl 2 or 3 building picked up and being placed back on the ground by the engi and middle of it being re-built. but yeah it is possible to heal buildings that are sapped
also in mvm building upgrade canteen fixes buildings that are sapped. so does upgrading building health (and you can go between adding the upgrade, then removing the upgrade and adding it back again without leaving the upgrade station to fix the buildings without credit cost or ending up maxing the upgrade)
I somehow immediately recognized the thumbnail as a reference to The Naked Gun, despite never watching the movie.
cultural osmosis
I realy encourege you to watch them then!
Tntina's glider in fortnite lol
The fact that this series has been ongoing for over 3 years is so surreal to think about for me.
Still finished before Lazy Purple finished How it Feels to Play Medic. :(
@@arcshadowstormhe’s really living up to the name!
10:09 ironically if the plugin is updated to work with the 64 bit update theres a chance that cap is lifted considering 2147m is the biggest 32-bit int.
>reduced dead ringer resistance makes backstabs deal 187.5 damage
So would a buffed Kunai spy with the Dead Ringer be able to survuve a backstab then?
No, because it factors in overheal. So the initial backstab damage would also be higher.
@@SquimJim ah damn I'm an idiot then lol
Used to tho
@@SquimJimwhat about deadringer plus a mannpower power-up? Or do they not stack?
9:17 so the reason why the number displays as 21220 is because the damage number actually overflowed. the maximum damage number the HUD can display is 32767 (max signed 16 bit integer value). you stabbed the heavy at 4499 HP, so it actually resulted in 53988 damage-- subtract this by 32768 and boom, 21220 on the HUD
4:20 THE CHAT 💀😭
.... He is kind of a twink though
they're not wrong
9:05 full use of Dalokohs Bar/FishCake
I like how there always seems to be a blue spy hiding as a box whenever he's in the tutorial warehouse
Love The Naked Gun thumbnail. One of my favorite movies.
12:38 if you haven't already, you could try to see the highest and lowest damage saxton hale could do, I think that would be a fun video idea
Something I just noticed while watching this video, TF2 Characters will have a worried expression on their face when on low HP, specifically the portion at which you get the low health warning (the flashing health cross to be clear).
Love the thumbnail that’s hilarious - the naked gun reference is sick
What if instead of Team Fortress 2 it was Freak Fortress 2? And instead of the spy doing backstabs he did backshots?
Backshots are Scout’s thing tho.
@@tangerinepaint3643 technically also pyro's.
Freak Fortress 2 being an actual mod makes this really funny
@@Roddy-g2d It’s more like Backspraying but I get your point.
@@kalerug Imagine if the freaks in FF2 were extra freaky
What I find funny about the knife taunt kill is you can do the same job but quicker, easier, more consistent, and just generally better by just backstabbing people normally.
but not as humiliating
I mean that's kinda true for _every_ taunt kill, isn't it?
Except maybe Sniper's Skewer, due to the stun from the first half and how quick it is in general
And I guess Heavy's Showdown too due to its ridiculous range and having an option to somewhat reliably set it up via the Holiday Punch
Love the Naked Gun thumbnail
Small colorful frogs in the wild be packing that max damage "just in case" of 200 giant heavies
My guess (prewatching) for highest damage: Backstabbing the Heavy while the Heavy is under the effects of the King power up + full Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + Max normal Overheal; (Heavy’s base max hp of 300 + 100 from the King Powerup from mannpower +100 from the full use of the Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + max normal overheal) * 6 = 3,600 damage
I FORGOT ABOUT THE DAMN KNOCKOUT POWER UP!
I remember seeing a spy montage back in the day that used the Dead Ringer's backstab protection to fly into the air and get a stab on an enemy. That thing was broken.
12:04 Hoovies screams and explodes instantly
6:45 in addition, youd still get the normal knockback applied to yourself, so if you were airborne or otherwise above the spy who backstabs you, most commonly by having him be a friend and standing on his head, you could fly across the map.
The naked gun spy in the front is amazing
5:09 ironic considering it’s literally on their back
Surely the spy can deal ludicrous amounts of damage, the backstab is really powerful.
Yes, he can. And don't call me Shirley.
(I know that joke is from Airplane and not the Naked Gun series, but I just couldn't resist.)
We are so back spybros
4:13 sophisticated conversation in chat
Quite so
Also I agree, I'd let Scout bonk me anytime too
glad to have been here throughout this series, good luck with with whatever project/series you do next!
This is the greatest thumbnail I’ve ever seen, in my entire life.
The damage rounding might be happening on each step of the damage calculation. It does depend on the ordering though. If you assume that strength and minicrits happen last, the diamondback/ambassador formula is:
40 x 0.85 is 34
34 x 1.5 is 51
51 x 1.3 is 66.3 truncates to 66
66 x 2 is 132
132 x 1.35 is 178.2, truncates to 178.
I can't wait for The Spy Guns 33 and 1/3
Awesome series, really enjoyed it :))) Thank you for all the effort Squim!
These videos are always a treat i love your style and energy makes me watch your old videos after a while
Its finaly here!
I don't know if you talked about it but in 100 player servers, soldier can do infinite damage. Like at a certain point the game literally stops counting and just puts inf.
What about using the chocolate bar or the buffalo steak for more backstab damage?
My wisdom teeth got removed and my teeth hurt
hit your tooth with the fan o war
How can they hurt if they got removed?
@@SquimJim my back molars got pushed around by my wisdom teeth and now their moving back into place so that’s why
@SquimJim his teeth are ghosts that want revenge
Do as best you can to avoid getting dry sockets! I got them and food got stuck up in them, which will be far more painful than your teeth hurting even on opioids!
I love the naked gun parody of the thumbnail
That thumbnail is legendary.
After all this year.
Finally, I have them all
13:11 I saw sheshells in casual, played like a menace.
If I had a nickel for every tf2 related RUclipsr had a manscaped sponser in a video today. I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
Weird you could somehow survive a backstab.
What are the maximum and minimum damages that the world/ maps can deal
did you not realize that the buffalo steak increases damage taken when you eat it all this time?
The steaks vulnerability is ignored if the attack is a crit. For some reason. It was covered in the earlier vids.
Why you have so much weapons I don’t have enough weapons… I want weapons
With custom MvM missions, which only require writing a text file, you can give robots custom attributes and health, so there's a lot you can play around with there
2:41 from what i have heard, it rounds down at every multiplier calculation.
LOVED THIS SERIES!
I’ve got an idea. What if you made a video trying to beat Solider’s record by progressively cheating more and more, using commands that couldn’t occur in game, completely impossible situations, maybe even community game modes
Can’t wait for min and max Halloween damage sources, where you go over pumpkin bombs, bosses, zombies, and SPELLS.
For backstabbing the giant heavy; Hitnumbers are a signed 16 bit integer and cap at 32,767 and roll over. Negative values are only used for healing, otherwise it is treated like a 15-bit number and carries over. Not sure where the last 12 damage went though
You know it’s a good day when squim Jim uploads
The thumbnail is incredible… I wish more people knew about naked gun…
You could do what's the fastest and slowest each class can go
i love the naked gun reference in the thumbnail
12:20 pyro can use powerjack to increase the damage to 630
I loved thia thumbnail! Man... i miss Leslie Nielsen
I think the game rounds the damage *before* some of the multipliers are applied…
To this day, Soldier’s Goomba stomp remains the highest damage dealer in all of TF2
Did not expect a Naked Gun reference in the thumbnail
honestly i really like the modern enforcer, specifically the resistance peircing. specifically because spy is an influtration class who can already kill high health targets at the risk of revealing their squishy self. and having resistances makes players particularly cocky. and with buffs often being area based or at least making them an ancour it's harder to backstab.
change i would say is instead of a weird damage boost on disguise making the downside nothing, move the damage buff to when the resistance peircing activates, maybe even extend it to any buff or if you're feeling nasty any status effect so it can maintain those damage highs but make it a bit more interactive than just the first shot, cause right now it can 2 tap light classes like the other guns. i genuinly don't get why people call this weapon bad you can solo a wrangled sentry from outside of the nest with a single clip.
Related to your enforcer tangent: I think it should be able to pierce sapper armour (I think it’s technically not a resistance but a damage penalty to the revolver but still) I think I could secure a nice niche as a building buster since it pierces wrangler shield as well
Honestly would be neat to see this series with MvM upgrades factored in. You can't stack them with Mannpower powerups in the vanilla game, but it'd be cool to see Demo swords kicking ass with their damage upgrades (because yes, Demo's swords have damage upgrades in MvM! Demoknight can be viable).
Huh. That taunt kill on buildings could prove useful. I'll have to remember that.
9:24 oh god they've gained sentience
considering there used to be a thing where running a tf2 server on either a linux or windows would determine whether engineer got 40 or 41 metal from small ammo packs, i wonder if that also applies to damage rounding
I feel like there was a missed opportunity to include backstab damage from a now-official vs Saxton Hale mode.
OMG! The dr.enforcicle make a cameo. GREAT VID FOR THAT 100%
Love the thumbnail, nice reference lol
Good thumbnail reference :D
The best part of the Enforcer is that it shreds through the Wrangler's shield's damage resistance.
Spy Gaming
This came out in the middle of me revisiting the series :D
it seems like backstab damage is a short internally, which means values are limited to the range -32768 to 32767. when shorts are uncapped, any numbers higher than the max will overflow and any numbers lower will underflow. accounting for this, the 21220 damage + 32768 is 53988, just about perfectly on the mark for the 54000 it should be. not sure where the extra 12-13 went, likely some intermediate step in the calculations.
Feels so good seeing this series comes to its conclusion :') loved every single one
Very nice failstab compilation at the end there
I find the naked gun thumbnail mildly humorous
there is another way to get a higher organic backstab without cheats, but it's not easily done, and likely hard to track.
Mann Vs Machine has the overheal mastery upgrade, which would let the medic increase the max overheal to 150% bonus health, bringing the heavy to 750 max health. With fists of steel swapped to after, that should theoretically do 9000 on a backstab. the tricky part would be to actually test this.
Like the naked gun reference in the thumbnail, my hat tips to ye
You could also try doing Minimum / Maximum in MvM! Such as Katana demos being 1 tapped by Zatoichi (They have 750 health), or hell, backstabs on steel gauntlets which 1 tap them too
nice thumbnail reference
No way he actually forgot spy's emotional damage wth
This series is a journey
have you factored all the other min max videos with 100 players in mind though?
The TF2 Medic Vs. TFC Medic would be really funny to just say "TFC Medic stomps, the end."
I like the naked gun reference on the thumbnail
Do it Swuimmy Jimmy, the zombies mode in TF2 is very underrated right now.
If you want to continue this serie, maybe an episode on Halloween bosses and spells could be neato
An idea about the dead ringer
You said that on a backstab against a spy using it the damage goes up to 187, killing the spy regardless. And overheal would not be able to save the spy since it caps out at 185.
EXCEPT if you're using the kunai. A spy using the kunai and being healed by a medic would maintain the kunai's overheal, since while mediguns can't overheal past their limit they can still maintain overheal (this is most apparent with a stock medigun and the quick fix).
So if a kunai spy that is being healed by a medic gets a backstab AND THEN gets backstabbed while holding the deadringer out, that spy would IN THEORY be able to live through a backstab.
Probably good to mention why I mentioned having a medic at all. It's just to keep the overheal at 210 without it diminishing, which would make achieving this more manageable.
Except the overheal would also increase the backstab's damage.
That thumbnail is amazing lmao
We need more versus, spy, engineer, medic and demo man
Hopefully we’ll get another tf2 vs tfc video soon
Another idea would be min/max damage in MvM for each class and their various upgrades
Can't believe this series is over. What's next, bug busters?
Man.... im so sad to see this series end😢