►Follow us on Instagram @autogefuehl and @thomas.letsgo ►Subscribe here: ruclips.net/user/autogefuehl 00:00 Nio ES7 or Nio EL7? 01:01 Length and wheels 01:51 Top speed and towing 02:10 Frunk? 02:31 Battery kWh sizes and range 03:18 Battery swap system 04:17 Doors and materials 05:23 Haptics vegan seats 06:21 Passenger relax position 06:49 Interior cockpit overview 07:32 Thomas vs NOMI 10:16 Infotainment system 10:46 Long-term average consumption 11:25 Deactivate NOMI 11:45 Middle console 12:27 Rear seats 14:16 Trunk / boot 15:05 0-100 km/h acceleration 15:32 Driving Nio EL7 100 kWh 16:21 Steering and assistance systems 19:05 Air suspension details 20:15 Nio vs Germans vs Tesla 23:28 High speed motorway 200 km/h 24:42 Motorway efficiency average 25:25 Price / Pricing #Nio #NioEL7 #NioES7 Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.
its amazing how fast hyundai KIA can revise EV models. look like every 3-6 months there is a new model. that means if anything goes wrong, You own a 2 ton paperweight. Good luck getting replacing parts. i saw more than few brand new ioniq 5s in junk yard. 😱😱
I'm amazed by how easily you can bring out the worst of Nomi LOL. It seems to me that the English version of Nomi still has a long way to go before it can catch up to its Chinese speaking twin. I learned that Nio's update 1.3.0 has major improvement to (Chinese version of) Nomi. Hopefully Nio's R&D can quickly fill the gap and make the English Nomi actually useful.
Thomas, you have a very impressive set of communication skills. Your clarity and use of the English language is better than most native English speakers. Thanks from Virginia, USA.
There are two reasons behind such placement. One is that the LiDAR simply sees more on top, second is that it’s not on the bumper, so being a n expensive part, it won’t be damaged in a regular mild accident, making the insurance premium insanely costly.
Just the fact that that it has a panoramic sunroof that can be open already puts it at the top of my EV shopping list. I'm so tired of the stupid fixed glassroof trend in EVs!
I’ve been following this brand for a while now, waiting to see what they bring to Europe. The cars themselves look really intriguing and could be a challenger to Tesla and some of the mainstream brands. I will certainly be wary of buying one until things like servicing and battery swapping are announced and where you can get your car serviced/repaired etc…. Also the price point, they are very, very expensive! Great review though
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Baas is definitely the way to go. It would take 6 years for baas subscription to become more expensive than buying the battery and with baas you get battery swap which is one of the main selling features with nio. I'm not sure how it works in germany but in china you can lease a bigger battery for roadtrips so unless you drive long distances often its a no brainer to go with the smaller battery baas subscription.
Thomas always impresses with his good manners, I immediately noticed that he took off his shoes before putting his feet on the dedicated resting area on that queen seat. Nice review of the EL7, I like this car a lot, thank you and great work NIO!
the interior really looks good with an original design, the steering wheel really looks a bit like a Citroen... but it seems a bit expensive at 90k euro.. Thomas' tests always relax me, thanks!
11:49 that QR code takes you to the website! I hope the legacy manufactures take the Chinese and Korean manufacturers seriously. Exciting tech and products coming from them,.
Great review! The price of BAAS is somehow affordable sine there is no extra fuel cost. But NIO has to built more Swap Stations to make it more convenient to use.
In Mandarin, Nomi work great. I think for other languages, needs more development & cultural adaptation because language depends a lot on context & localization.
Interesting review Thomas as usual. Nice as this car is, for me the most important question here is who can afford this sort of stuff that is now coming out of the manufacturers. European and Asian. This car is listed at 74,000 Euros plus the price of a battery pack ! I'm pretty certain that for most people here that is completely unaffordable ! Not sure where the car makers are going with the price of EV's. I bought my current car,a new Audi Q8 55 TFSI in 2020 for about £63,000. That was enough for me. I cannot envisage paying more than that for a car whether I could afford it or not. As I am retired now, I probably could not . I looked at the price of a new Mercedes EQE / S and a BMW IM and they are both veey very expensive. Well specced the price touches £90,000 ! That is quite ridiculous in my opinion Not convinced by an EV still at the moment but surely the Manufacturers need to start developement of smaller more affordabel EV models that would then make more financial sense to the majority of us , if they need to convince us that the EV route is the way to go. So, I will continue with my ICE Audi. It's a fine car. Powerful enough with range of 600 miles. So good for longtouring holidays to Germany where one day we might meet you Thomas ! Please keep up the fine car reviews. I think you are the best in the business. Clear, informative and with a sense of humour.
100kWh battery or even 70kWk costs I think half of that price, even more :) IMO PHEVs are beter for price and environment as you can build 10 PHEVs with this 100kWh and let them drive the daily 40km (as most people drive) on electric, rather than give one person 400km range that is used only once a week or even less an 9 other cars are ICE. Once a week it is OK to burn some fuel, keeping in mind to drive small range daily on electricity only.
totally agreed. That's why NIO is in the process of introducing two new sub-brands to the market in the near future. Both of them are much cheaper. One has the internal codename ALPS the other has the codename Firefly. One of the brands is supposed to be in the 10 to 20K market and be launched in 2024
I think it's interesting you were pointing the mic to Nomi when it was 'her' turn to talk while actually the sound comes from the speakers. Nio got this Nomi thing right, they just need a few tweeks
I recently got to try a Nio ES7 in China. I found out that there is a way to disable the "pilot is on" voice whenever you engage in autopilot. The way is to turn off "Nomi Pilot" in the automated driving setting. Hope this helps!
7:41 best part of the series, the relationships between Thomas and Nomi. Following this since last episode. :) Back to the serious mode: definitely the silence and the less voice feedback is appreciated, this is of course cultural thing and personal preferences. I'd prefer to drive in silence and only listening to music or audiobook, if Nomi would try to interfere every 5 min telling me that something is ON or OFF, in 1 month I would end up in a mental hospital tight to the bed repeating "HIGH BEAM IS ON, HIGH BEAM IS OFF"
You say the back don't have so nice comfort as others wich cars have nice comfort. I did try the bmw i7 the middle seat in the back is hard like a rock.
NIO is not just selling cars, but also lifestyle ! Kris Tomasson, the Vice President of Design, is the “soul and mind” behind NIO’s design. From the ES8 to the ET7, he views design from the users’ perspective. The ET7 is the perfect vehicle he envisioned to create for our users. Kris says, “At NIO, we are “Driven by Design.” It is one of the founding pillars of our company.
Regarding Nomi, by observing your videos, I found the European Nomi is massively behind the Chinese version. The c Chinese version sounds very soft, pleasing, and human like while the English version sounds like from windows XP. I hope Nio's software team can accelerate their development and make European Nomi really good.
For these driver assistance systems like nomi I would much more prefer a physical wake up button on the steering wheel instead of the computer trying to interpret all speech in the cabin for the wake up phrase. I want my car to only speak when actually spoken to.
Audi suing Nio (for this stupid naming thing, which doesn't make sense) just shows how afraid they are of the Chinese brands entering the market. Love or hate them, you have to accept that their products and tech are far ahead of established automakers. And what they offer for the price is very competitive. In my humble opinion, there are literally 3 categories of EVs as of now: Tesla, the Chinese brands, and the rest.
NIO have taken some lessons from Tesla on the infotainmentsystem. This i a warning shot for German premium cars. I really like the all inclusive price Policy.
Wow, finally a car maker that looks after the front passenger - why haven't the European brands ever thought of this? I like the restrained, clean styling too. Yes, Thomas, the Nio logo does remind me of the Citroen logo also. I like it!
@@krane15 You should see the other premium Chinese EV startup, Li Auto. Their new L7 only has 2 rows, so they also gave it power recline rear seat, but you can also move the front seat forward and deploy a footrest, along with a 30 inch screen that folds down from the ceiling. That's a better setup than on the new BMW 7 series, and the L7 starts at under 50k USD in China. Li Auto only makes SUVs, yet they are outselling Nio in the Chinese market because of how luxurious their cars are.
Nomi constantly giving feedback of what's been activated reminds me of the MG Maestro with digital voice synthesiser my Dad had when I was little. Hand brake on, hand brake off, headlights on, please fasten seatbelt, low fuel, low oil and so and so forth
Honestly it’s better than expected. I like that they’re trying new things (battery swap, subscription system etc.) but the price is way too high. You won’t see this car too much in Europe. I’d rather get the Audi Q4 or BMW X3 for the guaranteed services available already.
Excellent review, Thank you!!! I am personally waiting for your review on the ET5, on the ES6, and also a short video, on the upgraded ET7. The ET5 should arrive very soon in Germany.
Thomas, your wink and beaming smile at 6:45 made me lough out loud. 🤣 Great review as always, though personally I would not be keen to go for a Chinese brand, even if they are getting much better.
The Chinese are gonna deliver some serious competition. I still think this one is a little too expensive at 100K with the big battery. You really have to lease the pack and you can't be sure whether the price will stay low for the lease. Also kinda attractive in the long-term though that you can just switch battery if it loses capacity and take advantage of new battery technology. The Xpeng G9 selling for 77K with full options in the Netherlands vs audi at 105K for equivalent options (without a third screen), Mercedes 120k and BMW 136K (without third screen) seems great on paper. This seems the real German luxury SUV killer to me. I hope you review it too, though I don't think it's available in Germany.
Why not? The Xpeng G9 AWD seems to beat this neo on some luxury and definitely on price. Also competes with German luxury evs while being 20-30k euros cheaper.
@@Jajalaatmaar there’s a reason why Xpeng don’t advertise themselves as Luxury…. Obviously it’s going to beat it on the pricing considering it’s not a luxury brand.
@@Jajalaatmaar you have less than half of the hardware plus none of the assistance you have access with nio, xpeng and li are classic auto model (you buy a car, enjoy it by yourself); nio is more like "buy a car and you became part of the family" you get access to 24h assistance, perks and support in every part of your experience
Just make Nomi's warnings about car functions being enabled/disabled an option on the infotainment, Nio. That way, everyone's happy. Edit: And the frequency of said warnings.
@@karlitono How much does electricity cost in Norway? If you get 4 swaps per free, say on the 100 kWh battery pack, and you drive it from 90% to 10% each time, that is 320 kWh of energy from the 4 free swaps a month, which lets you travel around 1000 km. If it costs 0.2 eur for each kWh to charge at home, that means you would be getting 64 eur of "free" electricity from the swaps, which means the actual lease price is more like 140 eur a month, which is damn reasonable for such a big battery pack.
@Električno Auto that means if you go for the 75 kWh battery, you are getting around 240 kWh of free charging each month, or 60 euros worth. A net cost of 80 euro to lease that battery is a great deal. Plus doing the 4 swaps a month takes less than 30 minutes in TOTAL. And if you have a road trip coming up, just bump your lease up to the 100 kWh pack for that month only, but use the cheap 75 kwH pack for normal around town driving.
This a wonderful review and not just for the comedy value of the rematch with Nomi. What I really appreciate is that NIO have rethought their car from first principles. Elsewhere I made a crack about electric being like the move from horse and carriage to horseless carriages. With this NIO there is no hint of horse or carriage. Inevitably not everything NIO have rethought is perfect - think Nomi - but there is so much that is good, and it is interesting that Thomas reports in part that NIO have outdone Tesla. The Japanese - say Nissan and Mazda - have attacked the premium sector with less is more without a €20-30k price premium. NIO are attacking Audi/BMW/Mercedes head on without trading on price at all, or at least not very much. From what I have seen in this review NIO really can do premium on a par with the German big three. The financing options are especially interesting with the battery swap option getting round most of the charging anxiety problems in many markets. A lot more wannabe premium car owners will be able to afford €1-1.5k a month than €100k upfront. Even if you are not wannabe, a no hassle monthly rental is attractive regardless of the detailed financial calculations. Would I buy German premium or NIO. Neither as it happens. What I long for is an Alfa Romeo back on song and will forgive a lot of imperfections to get one. Meanwhile I like Mazda.
Another interesting aspect or difference in markets in terms of NVH ..Asian markets will accept high frequency noises and shun low frequencies,the European and US markets are opposite, we'd rather have a low frequency noise as higher frequencies are more annoying to us.
BYD is about to unveil their new Seagull EV very soon, and it should reach customer hands before the summer. Slightly larger than a 500e, and has 4 doors, and Chinese consumers will be able to get one starting at under $9000 USD.
Great review Thomas. Really good that you take your time over all the aspects. I always feel like I know the good and bad of a car with your reviews. Looks a lovely car and great they have de-tuned NOMI. Very expensive though.
Frankly, this thing looks amazing. Priced too high, but maybe that is the market Nio is targeting. I would be afraid if I were a product manager at Stelantis and GM. Ford is relying on thier cult of trucks & Tesla just on their cult, for now. In 10 years, it will be very interesting to see how the BEV market shakes out.
Nio is way out of Stellantis and GM's league, since it plays with the "BBA" luxury brand (Benz, BMW, Audi). Instead Stellantis and GM are shitting bricks because of BYD, which has a lock on low cost high value EVs right now.
That Naomi thing is creepy. I'd have to rip that out (cut the wires) as soon as I got the car. In any event, this is the first EV that has impressed me. The ingenuity of being able to do the battery swap is something I've been saying all EV should have from day one. Not only that, they rather than playing follow the "Tesla" leader, they still have offer a traditional fully opening panoramic sun roof. That's something you don't see much of in the entire car industry. One other thing you don't see is that very ingenious lounge seat for the front passenger. That alone makes this one of the only EV I'd even consider. This EV is full of features that are truly revolutionary. Since no car is perfect, it does get point off for the tacked-on iPad infotainment and instrument cluster. Too bad its not available in North America.
The most important and interesting part of the video which if it’s True what they say about Solid State will be a game changer in EV and will force the other makers to speed up in development etc. when you was going on about the pricing etc you Seem to forget what they offering in terms recharging and long term batteries as tech improves they be able change to new batteries tech and if they offering swop to solid state then is a no brainier as you won’t have worry about both degradation of batteries but what happens to them as They will take care of all that. The Only problem is the infer-structure of there Own recharging points not enough of them .
@@Analytical_Visionary If it is an option, this is really good. I already have my wife in the car to navigate me and comment my driving. I would not stand one more Nomi guy
It is like a car version of windows cortana - something everyone turns off the second they get windows installed. It being an option is good but given how annoying it is they should pay you to take it (like the advert supported version of a Amazon Fire tablet). I bet once these cars are old enough to reach the second hand market there will hundreds of RUclips guides to deactivate Nomi.
Are you talking about an E-tron? With similar options the audi still seems more expensive. Another competitor to check is the Xpeng G9. Delivers in Q4. Cheaper than both Audi and Nio while still very luxurious. 78K euros kitted out with a 7 year warranty.
@@HenryR-fh8ev stupid comment. we are already way to dependent of China, so what can go wrong if we are becoming more dependent and destroying our own car industry.
@@redwhite_040 People are sleep walking in to a scary future. I do my best not to buy Chinese and I'd DEFINITELY never buy a big ticket item like a car. Never.
@@Steve-gc5nt That is propaganda just like Iraq WMD`s which is why despite a country where almost everyone of its 1.4 billion people are walking around with a camera and internet connection in their pocket you have no evidence only Adrian Zenz and US separatist funded groups shoddy fabrications.
@@Steve-gc5nt Did China did these atrocities to Muslim women and kids with impunity? The Iraq Body Count project, which tracks civilian deaths in Iraq, estimates that between 182,000 and 204,000 civilians, including women and children, have been killed as a direct result of violence since the US-led invasion in 2003. Other estimates put the number of civilian deaths even higher, with some sources suggesting that the total number of deaths could be as high as one million. In Afghanistan, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) has been documenting civilian casualties since 2009. According to their data, over 38,000 Afghan civilians have been killed as a result of the conflict since 2009. While the number of women and children specifically is not provided in all reports, it is known that they have been among the victims of the conflict.
@@Steve-gc5nt According to estimates, the Uighur population in China has increased significantly since the 1950s. In 1953, the Uighur population in Xinjiang, the region of China where most Uighurs live, was approximately 3.2 million. Today, the Uighur population in Xinjiang is estimated to be around 12 million. it is believed that the population of Native Americans in the Americas before European contact ranged from approximately 50 million to 100 million people, spread across many different cultures, languages, and regions. In contrast, according to the most recent estimates, the population of Native Americans in the United States today is approximately 6.8 million, representing about 2% of the total U.S. population. Native American populations in other parts of the Americas, such as Canada, Mexico, and Central and South America, also vary in size. It is generally believed that India's population was relatively large and diverse in the 15th century, with a wide range of different ethnic and linguistic groups living in different regions of the country. Some estimates suggest that the population of India in the 15th century may have been around 100 million people, although this number is difficult to verify. So in 15th century, Native Americans were around 50 to 100 million population, and now they reduced to 6.8 million. But India had 100 million population and now there are 1.4 billion population. So tell me what cruelties you Europeans did to Native Americans to have that far less population than India.
Good review. Had test drive yesterday. Passenger leg room is an issue for us due to disability of passenger. This car beats them all. Quality experience matches all big German names. More rustique atmosphere than most of those. What I do not understand is why DC max charging is 125 for 100kWh and 140 for 75kWh battery. One would expect the bigger battery to have more room for faster peak charging? At 125kW this car is not up to its league in this aspect. On very long trips with several stops this may be annoying. Sunroof scores points, and also that a sunshade can close the glass roof. Not many cars have this. Can anyone tell me if this care really keeps the charging speed for a while, and actually also reaches the top speeds that NIO says it can do?
Charging is average speed but doesn’t this get 360 miles of range in Europe? Even at that speed of charging you still get more charge volume comparing with model y at 330 miles. Also I saw some tests where nio gets 87% of claimed range and model y gets 85%. Meaning nio real world range at 360 miles will be 313 miles and Tesla at 330 will get 280 miles real world range
Never buy a VW you will have oil consumtion and the Check Engine light will be constantly on. And they are way to slow for an ev and have to small range.
Hi Thomas. I wonder you if you would have 4 options lotus, Mercedes Eqs Suv, Audi q8 etron and this Nio. Who has better quality and which of the cars have the better trunk.
In California, USA the state has a program that subsidize the cost of certain electric vehicles from $5000 - $15,000. By 2035, California plan to stop sale of consumer level petro vehicles.
The is no mention of the NIO houses or NIO life which you also get with the price and subscription. I wonder how that would factor in once built up in Europe.
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00:00 Nio ES7 or Nio EL7?
01:01 Length and wheels
01:51 Top speed and towing
02:10 Frunk?
02:31 Battery kWh sizes and range
03:18 Battery swap system
04:17 Doors and materials
05:23 Haptics vegan seats
06:21 Passenger relax position
06:49 Interior cockpit overview
07:32 Thomas vs NOMI
10:16 Infotainment system
10:46 Long-term average consumption
11:25 Deactivate NOMI
11:45 Middle console
12:27 Rear seats
14:16 Trunk / boot
15:05 0-100 km/h acceleration
15:32 Driving Nio EL7 100 kWh
16:21 Steering and assistance systems
19:05 Air suspension details
20:15 Nio vs Germans vs Tesla
23:28 High speed motorway 200 km/h
24:42 Motorway efficiency average
25:25 Price / Pricing
#Nio #NioEL7 #NioES7
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its amazing how fast hyundai KIA can revise EV models.
look like every 3-6 months there is a new model.
that means if anything goes wrong, You own a 2 ton paperweight.
Good luck getting replacing parts. i saw more than few brand new ioniq 5s in
junk yard.
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I'm amazed by how easily you can bring out the worst of Nomi LOL. It seems to me that the English version of Nomi still has a long way to go before it can catch up to its Chinese speaking twin. I learned that Nio's update 1.3.0 has major improvement to (Chinese version of) Nomi. Hopefully Nio's R&D can quickly fill the gap and make the English Nomi actually useful.
The interior design is super clean, the front passenger seat would definitely make a two person trip super cool
Thomas, you have a very impressive set of communication skills. Your clarity and use of the English language is better than most native English speakers. Thanks from Virginia, USA.
Highly appreciated my friend!
@@autogefuehl - Gern geschehen!
No door closing sound? That’s basically you’re trademark Thomas! Love your reactions to Nomi 😆
14:56 Here it is 😀
Guess I missed it due to the soft close 😄
Yes, the wind helped 😂
Good test. I like how Nio isn't shy about their sensors, I kinda like the look it gives it...
There are two reasons behind such placement. One is that the LiDAR simply sees more on top, second is that it’s not on the bumper, so being a n expensive part, it won’t be damaged in a regular mild accident, making the insurance premium insanely costly.
Just the fact that that it has a panoramic sunroof that can be open already puts it at the top of my EV shopping list. I'm so tired of the stupid fixed glassroof trend in EVs!
agree this is an important aspect
True, but most manufacturers choose to save on weight, because a panoramic sunroof is much heavier...
Exactly my opinion also.
LOL IF YOUR PURCHASE SHIT BASED ON STUPID ACCESSORIES LIKE THAT THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE LOL
Boy do I agree. Totally!
I’ve been following this brand for a while now, waiting to see what they bring to Europe. The cars themselves look really intriguing and could be a challenger to Tesla and some of the mainstream brands. I will certainly be wary of buying one until things like servicing and battery swapping are announced and where you can get your car serviced/repaired etc…. Also the price point, they are very, very expensive! Great review though
Thanks keep following!
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I am very excited about your test of the ET5 Thomas!! I think this will set the new benchmark for mid size premium EVs.
Not just ET5, but ET5 WAGON!!! That will give Volvo a run for its money indeed.
Looking forward to your reviews of the smaller Nio Cars like ET5, ES6 and/or EC6.
ET5 is not small
This proves that the quality of this brand is on par up above with the others.. very promising
This has a better interior quality than the Kia EV6, Toyota Prius Prime and Hyundai Ioniq 6!
Baas is definitely the way to go. It would take 6 years for baas subscription to become more expensive than buying the battery and with baas you get battery swap which is one of the main selling features with nio. I'm not sure how it works in germany but in china you can lease a bigger battery for roadtrips so unless you drive long distances often its a no brainer to go with the smaller battery baas subscription.
Thomas always impresses with his good manners, I immediately noticed that he took off his shoes before putting his feet on the dedicated resting area on that queen seat.
Nice review of the EL7, I like this car a lot, thank you and great work NIO!
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Looks great! the new EC7 and ES8 look even more amazing. They will come to germany too in the second half of the year
它在中国也是非常优质的车。视频无法体验它的魅力，每次在马路上遇到我都要看很久，行驶起来非常优雅，有气质。很适合城市环境……❤
the interior really looks good with an original design, the steering wheel really looks a bit like a Citroen... but it seems a bit expensive at 90k euro.. Thomas' tests always relax me, thanks!
Cheers!
Who said the Chinese build should be cheap Lol. Think over 100 years ago, china from China was an expensive symbol compared to the European-made...
@@bk2mclee I didn't say that it has to look cheap, I'm just pleasantly surprised by the design and the quality of the materials
@@make4all2000No worries mate, all I try to say is Made in China doesn’t mean cheap nowadays 😉
11:49 that QR code takes you to the website! I hope the legacy manufactures take the Chinese and Korean manufacturers seriously. Exciting tech and products coming from them,.
Great review! The price of BAAS is somehow affordable sine there is no extra fuel cost. But NIO has to built more Swap Stations to make it more convenient to use.
Cheers!
Very pricey but I might just pick this over the German brand.
I wouldn't suggest it as a good idea.
Me too
In Mandarin, Nomi work great. I think for other languages, needs more development & cultural adaptation because language depends a lot on context & localization.
Even the sound effect is more human-like in Mandarin version.
Interesting review Thomas as usual. Nice as this car is, for me the most important question here is who can afford this sort of stuff that is now coming out of the manufacturers. European and Asian. This car is listed at 74,000 Euros plus the price of a battery pack ! I'm pretty certain that for most people here that is completely unaffordable !
Not sure where the car makers are going with the price of EV's. I bought my current car,a new Audi Q8 55 TFSI in 2020 for about £63,000. That was enough for me. I cannot envisage paying more than that for a car whether I could afford it or not. As I am retired now, I probably could not .
I looked at the price of a new Mercedes EQE / S and a BMW IM and they are both veey very expensive. Well specced the price touches £90,000 ! That is quite ridiculous in my opinion
Not convinced by an EV still at the moment but surely the Manufacturers need to start developement of smaller more affordabel EV models that would then make more financial sense to the majority of us , if they need to convince us that the EV route is the way to go.
So, I will continue with my ICE Audi. It's a fine car. Powerful enough with range of 600 miles. So good for longtouring holidays to Germany where one day we might meet you Thomas !
Please keep up the fine car reviews. I think you are the best in the business. Clear, informative and with a sense of humour.
100kWh battery or even 70kWk costs I think half of that price, even more :) IMO PHEVs are beter for price and environment as you can build 10 PHEVs with this 100kWh and let them drive the daily 40km (as most people drive) on electric, rather than give one person 400km range that is used only once a week or even less an 9 other cars are ICE. Once a week it is OK to burn some fuel, keeping in mind to drive small range daily on electricity only.
And apart from the 0-100 time your Q8 is much better than comfort wise. dynamically, quality wise than any of these EVs.
Until you're out of warranty..
Thanks keep tuning in!
totally agreed. That's why NIO is in the process of introducing two new sub-brands to the market in the near future. Both of them are much cheaper. One has the internal codename ALPS the other has the codename Firefly. One of the brands is supposed to be in the 10 to 20K market and be launched in 2024
I think it's interesting you were pointing the mic to Nomi when it was 'her' turn to talk while actually the sound comes from the speakers. Nio got this Nomi thing right, they just need a few tweeks
This is a very beautiful car and the specs are amazing too. Man these cars are AMAZING!
I love the materials and the interior like you said Thomas, great video!
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This has a better interior quality than the Kia EV6, Toyota Prius Prime and Hyundai Ioniq 6!
I recently got to try a Nio ES7 in China. I found out that there is a way to disable the "pilot is on" voice whenever you engage in autopilot. The way is to turn off "Nomi Pilot" in the automated driving setting. Hope this helps!
Cheers! But afaik that setting is not saved and you have to deactivate it every time again ?
@@autogefuehl I think when you turn off “Nio pilot” it stays that way (at least in China) cheers!
So good review, with a very nice personal touch love it.
Can't wait for your review of the Nio ES8 (EL8) NT 2.0 (Refresh)
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the price of ES7 （we call here in China）is less than 75000 Eur. for the top equipment model with 100kWh (buy both car and battery)
7:41 best part of the series, the relationships between Thomas and Nomi. Following this since last episode. :)
Back to the serious mode: definitely the silence and the less voice feedback is appreciated, this is of course cultural thing and personal preferences. I'd prefer to drive in silence and only listening to music or audiobook, if Nomi would try to interfere every 5 min telling me that something is ON or OFF, in 1 month I would end up in a mental hospital tight to the bed repeating "HIGH BEAM IS ON, HIGH BEAM IS OFF"
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normally Nomi is not interfer anyone. And you can turn it off for good. I think it is the software.
This is an awesome review. I love the clarity, comprehensiveness of this review. Awesome job Autogefühl!
Highly appreciated!
You say the back don't have so nice comfort as others wich cars have nice comfort.
I did try the bmw i7 the middle seat in the back is hard like a rock.
NIO is not just selling cars, but also lifestyle !
Kris Tomasson, the Vice President of Design, is the “soul and mind” behind NIO’s design. From the ES8 to the ET7, he views design from the users’ perspective. The ET7 is the perfect vehicle he envisioned to create for our users. Kris says, “At NIO, we are “Driven by Design.” It is one of the founding pillars of our company.
Can you make comparison between Nio EL7 and other German SUVs, please?
Love this car. Seems much better than the germans
Regarding Nomi, by observing your videos, I found the European Nomi is massively behind the Chinese version. The c Chinese version sounds very soft, pleasing, and human like while the English version sounds like from windows XP. I hope Nio's software team can accelerate their development and make European Nomi really good.
Interesting
@@autogefuehl gotta thank you for the good work. Very detailed and I enjoyed your style of humor.
For these driver assistance systems like nomi I would much more prefer a physical wake up button on the steering wheel instead of the computer trying to interpret all speech in the cabin for the wake up phrase. I want my car to only speak when actually spoken to.
Audi suing Nio (for this stupid naming thing, which doesn't make sense) just shows how afraid they are of the Chinese brands entering the market.
Love or hate them, you have to accept that their products and tech are far ahead of established automakers. And what they offer for the price is very competitive.
In my humble opinion, there are literally 3 categories of EVs as of now: Tesla, the Chinese brands, and the rest.
Tesla can't use letters E and S and A in their name as it is really close to Mercedes model names! Sue Tesla! :D
@@sergeysedelnikov3015Ford actually sued Tesla for Model E, that's why it became the Model 3 haha 😅
@@kpeterrafael hehehe I didn't know that. Poor Elon
@@sergeysedelnikov3015 But they have a Model S
NIO have taken some lessons from Tesla on the infotainmentsystem.
This i a warning shot for German premium cars.
I really like the all inclusive price Policy.
I like the talkative NOMI with the facial reactions. $NIO
The best is swap system.
Great video, keep bringing the NIO videos!
We will!
Wow, finally a car maker that looks after the front passenger - why haven't the European brands ever thought of this? I like the restrained, clean styling too. Yes, Thomas, the Nio logo does remind me of the Citroen logo also. I like it!
Revolutionary for the front passenger, but did you notice the power recline rear seat too? That's something you'd see only on the luxury sedans.
@@krane15 You should see the other premium Chinese EV startup, Li Auto. Their new L7 only has 2 rows, so they also gave it power recline rear seat, but you can also move the front seat forward and deploy a footrest, along with a 30 inch screen that folds down from the ceiling. That's a better setup than on the new BMW 7 series, and the L7 starts at under 50k USD in China. Li Auto only makes SUVs, yet they are outselling Nio in the Chinese market because of how luxurious their cars are.
@@tren133 don’t get Chinese cars isn’t safe
Nomi constantly giving feedback of what's been activated reminds me of the MG Maestro with digital voice synthesiser my Dad had when I was little. Hand brake on, hand brake off, headlights on, please fasten seatbelt, low fuel, low oil and so and so forth
honestly NIO cars are really nice looking! looks very promising!
Honestly it’s better than expected. I like that they’re trying new things (battery swap, subscription system etc.) but the price is way too high. You won’t see this car too much in Europe. I’d rather get the Audi Q4 or BMW X3 for the guaranteed services available already.
@user-qr8gs8jf1t in China there are many premium EV's to compete with Tesla, the ''West'' is not that fortunate.
@@johnsmith-cw3wo Yes,you are right
In NORWAY there are a lot of NIOS
Excellent review,
Thank you!!!
I am personally waiting for your review on the ET5, on the ES6, and also a short video, on the upgraded ET7.
The ET5 should arrive very soon in Germany.
Thanks 🙏 will deliver the ET5 in a couple of days, stay tuned!
Ah yes, another episode of Thomas VS Nomi 😂
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episide 3 for ET5 please
You can give Nomi a different name other than NOMI...Would be FUN to see that!
Thomas, your wink and beaming smile at 6:45 made me lough out loud. 🤣
Great review as always, though personally I would not be keen to go for a Chinese brand, even if they are getting much better.
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The Chinese are gonna deliver some serious competition. I still think this one is a little too expensive at 100K with the big battery. You really have to lease the pack and you can't be sure whether the price will stay low for the lease. Also kinda attractive in the long-term though that you can just switch battery if it loses capacity and take advantage of new battery technology.
The Xpeng G9 selling for 77K with full options in the Netherlands vs audi at 105K for equivalent options (without a third screen), Mercedes 120k and BMW 136K (without third screen) seems great on paper. This seems the real German luxury SUV killer to me. I hope you review it too, though I don't think it's available in Germany.
Xpeng is not a luxury brand…
Why not? The Xpeng G9 AWD seems to beat this neo on some luxury and definitely on price.
Also competes with German luxury evs while being 20-30k euros cheaper.
@@Jajalaatmaar there’s a reason why Xpeng don’t advertise themselves as Luxury…. Obviously it’s going to beat it on the pricing considering it’s not a luxury brand.
@@ThanhVo-zr6iy Kind of a weird argument if they provide similar luxury to luxury brands, just cheaper.
@@Jajalaatmaar you have less than half of the hardware plus none of the assistance you have access with nio, xpeng and li are classic auto model (you buy a car, enjoy it by yourself); nio is more like "buy a car and you became part of the family" you get access to 24h assistance, perks and support in every part of your experience
Maybe will go for ES6 gen 2 end of 2023, eager to see how much cheaper will it be in Norway than EL7.
Just make Nomi's warnings about car functions being enabled/disabled an option on the infotainment, Nio. That way, everyone's happy.
Edit: And the frequency of said warnings.
Yeah u can but then it’s Being reset…
Did i hear you correctly? Battery rental is 170E and 290E per month depending on the size? Wow, that is MUCH higher than I expected.
You also get 2 free swaps or something per month which is like 800km
In Norway it's 140 and 200 eur and you had 4 swaps included before new year.
@@karlitono How much does electricity cost in Norway? If you get 4 swaps per free, say on the 100 kWh battery pack, and you drive it from 90% to 10% each time, that is 320 kWh of energy from the 4 free swaps a month, which lets you travel around 1000 km. If it costs 0.2 eur for each kWh to charge at home, that means you would be getting 64 eur of "free" electricity from the swaps, which means the actual lease price is more like 140 eur a month, which is damn reasonable for such a big battery pack.
@@tren133 historically cost next to nothing. I pay now cca 0.25 eurocent per kW via my building manager for home charging.
@Električno Auto that means if you go for the 75 kWh battery, you are getting around 240 kWh of free charging each month, or 60 euros worth. A net cost of 80 euro to lease that battery is a great deal. Plus doing the 4 swaps a month takes less than 30 minutes in TOTAL. And if you have a road trip coming up, just bump your lease up to the 100 kWh pack for that month only, but use the cheap 75 kwH pack for normal around town driving.
This a wonderful review and not just for the comedy value of the rematch with Nomi.
What I really appreciate is that NIO have rethought their car from first principles. Elsewhere I made a crack about electric being like the move from horse and carriage to horseless carriages. With this NIO there is no hint of horse or carriage. Inevitably not everything NIO have rethought is perfect - think Nomi - but there is so much that is good, and it is interesting that Thomas reports in part that NIO have outdone Tesla. The Japanese - say Nissan and Mazda - have attacked the premium sector with less is more without a €20-30k price premium. NIO are attacking Audi/BMW/Mercedes head on without trading on price at all, or at least not very much. From what I have seen in this review NIO really can do premium on a par with the German big three.
The financing options are especially interesting with the battery swap option getting round most of the charging anxiety problems in many markets. A lot more wannabe premium car owners will be able to afford €1-1.5k a month than €100k upfront. Even if you are not wannabe, a no hassle monthly rental is attractive regardless of the detailed financial calculations.
Would I buy German premium or NIO. Neither as it happens. What I long for is an Alfa Romeo back on song and will forgive a lot of imperfections to get one. Meanwhile I like Mazda.
Thanks for the feedback!
Another interesting aspect or difference in markets in terms of NVH ..Asian markets will accept high frequency noises and shun low frequencies,the European and US markets are opposite, we'd rather have a low frequency noise as higher frequencies are more annoying to us.
Very interesting!
Love the interior
Nice car that Lexus in that Thomas Blue colour!
Great review as always. Keep up the good work.
cheers !
Thomas Ian hoping that Nio and the other car manufacturers will be making small EVs such as the Fiat 500e which I drive at the moment
Nios smaller sub brand will be unveiled this year.
BYD is about to unveil their new Seagull EV very soon, and it should reach customer hands before the summer. Slightly larger than a 500e, and has 4 doors, and Chinese consumers will be able to get one starting at under $9000 USD.
The logo is Sky (top) and Earth (bottom) where Sky = Vision & Earth = Action.
3.9 secs is very impressive 😮
Stunning
Always enjoy the context on the channel well done everyone 👍👍
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Great review Thomas. Really good that you take your time over all the aspects. I always feel like I know the good and bad of a car with your reviews. Looks a lovely car and great they have de-tuned NOMI. Very expensive though.
Frankly, this thing looks amazing. Priced too high, but maybe that is the market Nio is targeting. I would be afraid if I were a product manager at Stelantis and GM. Ford is relying on thier cult of trucks & Tesla just on their cult, for now. In 10 years, it will be very interesting to see how the BEV market shakes out.
Nio is way out of Stellantis and GM's league, since it plays with the "BBA" luxury brand (Benz, BMW, Audi). Instead Stellantis and GM are shitting bricks because of BYD, which has a lock on low cost high value EVs right now.
AC info: You have the fan control on manual and the fan on the lowest setting. Putting it on auto or on more power will heat up the car quicker.
We did that in the video so fan is not too loud. Off camera we tried everything, also what u said. This vehicle had a heating problem
How does one confuse ES7 from S7? Does VW have copyright on some of the alphabets?
I also think it’s ridiculous
such a beautiful car
Impressive car overall
Another top video! Nice car, interesting comparison with MG Marvel R.
highly appreciated! Please share/recommend our channel :-)
Full subscription seem like a good deal given that depreciation for new cars are quite substantial
Lately, the Chinese car design is definitely on top of others.
Nio's design center is in Munich
You are so funny Thomas 🥰 Gut gemacht, weiter so !! Ich bin immer dein Fan !!
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Silence is golden.
Perfection, I want it.
That Naomi thing is creepy. I'd have to rip that out (cut the wires) as soon as I got the car.
In any event, this is the first EV that has impressed me. The ingenuity of being able to do the battery swap is something I've been saying all EV should have from day one.
Not only that, they rather than playing follow the "Tesla" leader, they still have offer a traditional fully opening panoramic sun roof. That's something you don't see much of in the entire car industry.
One other thing you don't see is that very ingenious lounge seat for the front passenger. That alone makes this one of the only EV I'd even consider. This EV is full of features that are truly revolutionary.
Since no car is perfect, it does get point off for the tacked-on iPad infotainment and instrument cluster. Too bad its not available in North America.
Its probably best to simply not order the extra option if you would rip it out.
@@ensteffo Of course, if its an option and not included with the car. A mechanical head talking to me. No thanks.
Creeps me out too. How that thing turns it's head towards the driver with eyes staring at you.........
Is it available in switzerland? How to buy one? Do they have dealers or they follow online purchase model?
Nomi is an interesting idea. I would agree it needs tuning, but it's nice that someone tries something new.
But i bet neo does nothing to fix it.
This superb creation !
The most important and interesting part of the video which if it’s True what they say about Solid State will be a game changer in EV and will force the other makers to speed up in development etc. when you was going on about the pricing etc you Seem to forget what they offering in terms recharging and long term batteries as tech improves they be able change to new batteries tech and if they offering swop to solid state then is a no brainier as you won’t have worry about both degradation of batteries but what happens to them as They will take care of all that. The Only problem is the infer-structure of there Own recharging points not enough of them .
Thomas vs Nomi - Round 2 😄
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Lol I’ll never understand how ES7 is similar to S7. Didn’t Lexus also have an ES?
They still do…
Man! I love your videos!!!
Highly appreciated!!
I'm wondering if there is spotify in Europe Nios?
Great video. Well done!...Hilarious!
Thanks 🙏
I would rip that Nomi thing off and throw it out the window. But the car is a very well designed car.
good idea
Nomi is a optional purchased add-on.
@@Analytical_Visionary If it is an option, this is really good. I already have my wife in the car to navigate me and comment my driving. I would not stand one more Nomi guy
It is like a car version of windows cortana - something everyone turns off the second they get windows installed.
It being an option is good but given how annoying it is they should pay you to take it (like the advert supported version of a Amazon Fire tablet).
I bet once these cars are old enough to reach the second hand market there will hundreds of RUclips guides to deactivate Nomi.
6:45 "your passengers will love this" *wink*
Translates to " this is a baby making seat" *wink*
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@@autogefuehl you're a naughty boy Haha 😂
Just a quick check on the site (Netherlands) it looks like this thing is going to cost more then an audi Q8... That is kind of nuts no ?
Build quality is much better in the Nio, and also if you spec both cars the same the Nio is way cheaper.
Nuts if you're thinking in terms of brands, not quality and specs.
@@CumBrianFries you also have to think about long term reliability and resell value.
Are you talking about an E-tron? With similar options the audi still seems more expensive.
Another competitor to check is the Xpeng G9. Delivers in Q4. Cheaper than both Audi and Nio while still very luxurious. 78K euros kitted out with a 7 year warranty.
Yeah sadly the price is way higher than in China, because all of the fees in EU...
150kWh SEMI SOLID STATE battery Thomas :) @3:50 otherwise perfect review, thank you! :)
It's frightening how far and how quickly these Chinese carmakers have come. Interesting times are ahead. Established brands need to dress warmly.
We all will. Best not to buy Chinese.
@@Steve-gc5ntYe you better start throw away all your made in china products 😂
@@Steve-gc5nt Best not to breathe, which might be easier than not buying Chinese.
@@HenryR-fh8ev stupid comment. we are already way to dependent of China, so what can go wrong if we are becoming more dependent and destroying our own car industry.
@@redwhite_040 People are sleep walking in to a scary future.
I do my best not to buy Chinese and I'd DEFINITELY never buy a big ticket item like a car. Never.
I think the feedback is great and so is the animal cruelty free interior which most Chinese car manufacturers have now.
They reserve most of their cruelty for humans. Muslims particularly.
@@Steve-gc5nt That is propaganda just like Iraq WMD`s which is why despite a country where almost everyone of its 1.4 billion people are walking around with a camera and internet connection in their pocket you have no evidence only Adrian Zenz and US separatist funded groups shoddy fabrications.
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Did China did these atrocities to Muslim women and kids with impunity?
The Iraq Body Count project, which tracks civilian deaths in Iraq, estimates that between 182,000 and 204,000 civilians, including women and children, have been killed as a direct result of violence since the US-led invasion in 2003. Other estimates put the number of civilian deaths even higher, with some sources suggesting that the total number of deaths could be as high as one million.
In Afghanistan, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) has been documenting civilian casualties since 2009. According to their data, over 38,000 Afghan civilians have been killed as a result of the conflict since 2009. While the number of women and children specifically is not provided in all reports, it is known that they have been among the victims of the conflict.
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According to estimates, the Uighur population in China has increased significantly since the 1950s. In 1953, the Uighur population in Xinjiang, the region of China where most Uighurs live, was approximately 3.2 million. Today, the Uighur population in Xinjiang is estimated to be around 12 million.
it is believed that the population of Native Americans in the Americas before European contact ranged from approximately 50 million to 100 million people, spread across many different cultures, languages, and regions.
In contrast, according to the most recent estimates, the population of Native Americans in the United States today is approximately 6.8 million, representing about 2% of the total U.S. population. Native American populations in other parts of the Americas, such as Canada, Mexico, and Central and South America, also vary in size.
It is generally believed that India's population was relatively large and diverse in the 15th century, with a wide range of different ethnic and linguistic groups living in different regions of the country. Some estimates suggest that the population of India in the 15th century may have been around 100 million people, although this number is difficult to verify.
So in 15th century, Native Americans were around 50 to 100 million population, and now they reduced to 6.8 million. But India had 100 million population and now there are 1.4 billion population. So tell me what cruelties you Europeans did to Native Americans to have that far less population than India.
headlights are the sexiest part.
Hi Thomas, will this have a right hand drive version?
Good question
Good review. Had test drive yesterday. Passenger leg room is an issue for us due to disability of passenger. This car beats them all. Quality experience matches all big German names. More rustique atmosphere than most of those. What I do not understand is why DC max charging is 125 for 100kWh and 140 for 75kWh battery. One would expect the bigger battery to have more room for faster peak charging? At 125kW this car is not up to its league in this aspect. On very long trips with several stops this may be annoying. Sunroof scores points, and also that a sunshade can close the glass roof. Not many cars have this. Can anyone tell me if this care really keeps the charging speed for a while, and actually also reaches the top speeds that NIO says it can do?
Charging is average speed but doesn’t this get 360 miles of range in Europe? Even at that speed of charging you still get more charge volume comparing with model y at 330 miles. Also I saw some tests where nio gets 87% of claimed range and model y gets 85%. Meaning nio real world range at 360 miles will be 313 miles and Tesla at 330 will get 280 miles real world range
I'm going to import these vehicles to the US for Private sales.
Thomas, very good review. Personally, Q8 e-tron is my choice. Premium is premium.
Had an e-tron sportback, after that Tesla MY, which was everything else than premium, an ET5 will be my next car. Hopefully a wagon! 🤩
@@lbtobl83 ET5 wagon will be announced in the middle of this year for EU markets.
@@lbtobl83 why e-tron wasn't premium?
@@zlatkobudetic1168 e-tron was great aside from poor range. Model Y was not premium in any way, aside from great efficiency and charging network.
Never buy a VW you will have oil consumtion and the Check Engine light will be constantly on. And they are way to slow for an ev and have to small range.
Hi Thomas.
I wonder you if you would have 4 options lotus, Mercedes Eqs Suv, Audi q8 etron and this Nio.
Who has better quality and which of the cars have the better trunk.
Try this: ruclips.net/video/GPU8gbj7Mvg/видео.html
Thank you so much
The lidar scanner makes the front profile look like a London Taxi.
In California, USA the state has a program that subsidize the cost of certain electric vehicles from $5000 - $15,000. By 2035, California plan to stop sale of consumer level petro vehicles.
The is no mention of the NIO houses or NIO life which you also get with the price and subscription. I wonder how that would factor in once built up in Europe.
My future car
buy this with the low power battery, then wait few more months and go swap with the 150kwh battery so you can get 600 miles range
Okay... so Thomas has a watch. Nicely advertised.
There was no watch advertisement
You could have fooled me, Thomas! 😉
Been waiting for this Nio!