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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
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We should bring the names to Valve in a bucket. Labeled as #FixTF2 or smth
NOBDY ID IN CASUAL ITS WORKING!
I used to love Valve and their games, but now I love... Just their games.
Valve is still a good company, they just have short term memory loss
@@theangrypotato2.031 they just have a very minor case of serious brain damage
Nuh uh, they are terrible... they do stuff like every other big company, they don't listen to anyone, they just do stuff that gives em most of profits, and bots... bots give em profit actually so they ain't goin to do shit
@@AnonimowyGd At least they make good games.
Valves good, sometimes u gotta move on from crappy 16 year old game and make hl3
If you’ve actually found out the identities of the bot hosters, hand them over to the authorities, and hand them over to Valve so they can file a lawsuit against them. Only consider sharing them to the public if there is no other option.
My point exactly, they are LITERALLY COMMITTING CRIMES! The point of getting thier identities isn’t to scare them, that would be stupid
Still illegal, valve won't want to associate with savetf2 if we do that
BO NOISE BETTER THAN TF2 RUclipsRS
BO NOISE SAYS THAT TF2 IS THE WORST GAME EVER
Imagine thinking cops will help
"Valve isn't going to want to interact with a community that does this"
They don't anyway.
How can you interact less than nothing?
Opened the comments to say this, was beat to it lmao.
We should boycott Valve skins across other games too until they fix their cheating issues.
@@MrTAGGER88😂 Nice joke you beleave a small ass community as TF2 will make anybody stop traiding skins you life a bubbel . TF2 was a dead game only keeped up by Valve beeing Valve thats just how it is .
@@MrTAGGER88
Seeing how CS2 is starting to have similar problems, that is absolutely true
“Let’s boycott Valve”
As a guy who hasn’t bought anything from Tf2 and even Steam for past 7 years: “Way ahead of you, whatshow”
As a PC gamer, steam is incredibly hard to avoid
Boycott the guys who own steam, what a great idea
@@shagarumedic They don't own your life mate. Also they're not gonna shut steam down. I don't get your sarcasm
Me too
@@RandomPerson-cf3gt can always fly the skull and crossbones
The soldier at 11:21 was like "ain't no way this dude is trying to kill me with the pompsom"
TF2 RUclipsRS ARE WORST LOL
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@@OFFICERGABENEWELL your penis.
@@OFFICERGABENEWELLDamm bots on youtube and tf2
dude sat completely still to give him the opportunity to kill them and he still couldn't lmao
For the record the boycott steam thing wouldn’t just be TF2. It’d be CS2 and L4D2 as well, since both of those games have been dealing with massive cheater/ddos problems as of late.
Not only that, their new game too. Deadlock will suffer the same way since valve seems to give up on the first inconvenience
@@PAT.OS96I know I'm going to shittalk that game at every given opportunity and never ever play it. If Valve was neglecting their other games I'd just ignore, but Valve's apathy encourages my vitriol.
BO NOISE SAYS THAT TF2 IS THE WORST GAME EVER
ive been playing l4d2 a lot recently and as far as i can see the ddos problem was fixed in the latest patch, posted about a week or 2 ago
i havent seen any servers crash since
L4D2 is perfectly fine, please play a few games before making up nonsense.
If we protest outside Valve HQ, one of the bot hosters might slip in undetected and start something, making the whole movement look bad
Then be vigilant and prepared to suppress sabotage within legal means. If it’s possible for it to cause you direct harm, you have the right to claim self defense.
I have faith that not even bot hosters would be stupid enough to waste their time and money heading to Seattle to loiter outside an office building.
@@veggielord1740 Bro they spend thousands of dollars ruining a game for people. Do you really think that they wouldn’t burn a few dollars to go to Seattle and ruin a protest?
@@superiornicholas412 I'd hope for them to try, the odds of them getting away in one piece are slim
@@superiornicholas412 I can completely guarantee that they would not bother, especially because the idea itself is inherently silly and time-wasting. You don't need to make a scene to make a bunch of people protesting about a video game look dumb.
The war thunder community did a few of these extremes becaise gyjin was going to ruin the economy and make playing the game even more depressing and opressive. So , we boycotted the game -96% players, we didnt spend a dime on the game, we negative review bombed the liveing day lights out of thier game for a week, and they did listen after a while but its not perfect but they are still improving the game for the players. So that is proof that the extremes can work.
This only worked because War Thunder is gajin’s life line. If every tf2 player stoped spending money that would still leave valve with CS and Dota, and even more importantly Steam. Shit it abandoning tf2 wood likely get valve to stop caring completely.
it's not gonna work tf2 economy were dominate by bot even if the player gone bit are still here and valve still get their cut
Pretty much all the positive economy/rp changes have been slowly drained back out of WT, or the increase in gains/difference after several patches has been drastically reduced.
War Thunder's protesting barely worked. The WT playerbase should really do what the Tarkov players have done and they should just cobble together/mod/host their own better version of the game. It's being run by horrible people who have been confirmed on-record as hating their own paypig playerbase anyways, and the vast majority of the work being done on the game is being accomplished by 3rd parties who clearly aren't enjoying the spoils of their work. One of the biggest and most fundamental aspects of the game, the models, are done by a 3rd party company of some sort for reference.
So that's a bad example to use unfortunately. What the Tarkov players are doing, that's a real success story. The offline mod with a co-op mod on top of it is a superior product compared to the current version of the paypig $250 "official offline co-op" mode.
4:57 “shutting down the servers would be insanely stupid from a business perspective”
I’m going to be honest, I’m trying to think what the last non-stupid decision Valve made as a company was.
BO NOISE BETTER THAN TF2 RUclipsRS
Steam deck ❤❤❤❤
Hell i'm still trying to think what the last non-stupid decision the entire gaming industry made was
@@skipthefox4858indie games
@@evandrofilipe1526Its amazing! 55% of my steam hours are exclusively on my deck!
I feel like if that bot hoster discord got sent to the proper authorities, we would have a good bit of arrests of these swatters and doxxers
Challenge FUCKING ACCEPTED
yeah, like. getting the personal info on hosters and having them reported to cops or even sued for swatting, impersonation, defamation etc. would help fixing the issue on bigger scale. Thewhat said himself, the evidences can just be digged and digged
@@TheAdspy Swatting wouldn't be a sue, that's jail time. Misuse of the police like that is serious and has killed.
Most of the bots are hosted in countries out of 5 eyes jurisdiction and at most you'd just shut down the accounts and nothing else. I doubt anything will actually happen with something like a measly petition because valve is busy making a whole other IP.
Dude there are entire criminal and cp Discord Servers and they don't ever get banned. Like wtf.
I don't care about optics. We tried being nice and polite in SaveTF2. We are beyond that. Any method to get Valve to respond is worth trying by this point.
Valve will never care, it's not their problem, and, in fact, it's not a problem.
Oh they will respond... with a nice tweet
THE HELL IT IS A PROBLEM!
Bots are ruining the game!
I don’t care if Valve never updates TF2 again! Just get rid of the GODDAMN BOTS!!
@@CSGOCOMPILERfound the bot hoster.
@@CSGOCOMPILERbot hoster detected
"Valve isn't going to want to engage with a community that does that" he said about the community Valve already refuses to engage with, about the problem caused by their lack of engagement in the past
Hahahaha this is just another tf2uber who wants a free tour of Valve. Have fun with your petitions
@@dumbcatposterFound the bot hoster
@@Minecraftlover73 Not in a million years.
@@dumbcatposterthen stop acting like one
@@dumbcatposter that makes it sound cool
Today's the day, TOGETHER WE STAND. TF2 ain't dead yet.
No matter how long it will keep going no matter how Many bot there are WE WONT GIVE UP
This is our battle and if we don’t win this the game as we know and love will be destroyed and this is for Rick May
You ain't that guy
TEAM FORTRESS! ASSEMBLE *tf2 theme starts (this is like avengers endgame and I"m here for it)*
United we stand. Together we fight. #FixTF2
Honestly, this quote from Medic sums it up best:
“Standing near ze point does nussing. Get *on* ze point, duumkopf!”
We aren’t doing anything by walking the line, we’ve gotta cross that shit and push! The final point is in sight, so keep on pushing that cart! #FixTF2
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THE BOMB HAS ALMOST REACHED THE FINAL TERMINUS!
STAND. ON. THE. POINT!!
-A brave soldier
famous medic gaming quote.
@@berberrb-3754 MAGGOT!
You wanna hand in your petition???
Exposing their identities would keep other innocent players from being exposed as well. This bot crisis has gone on long enough. Its only fair they are met with punishment for what theyve done to this amazing game.
On the "They'll shut down TF2" thing:
The most Valve would really do is shut down the officially hosted servers, meaning the rebirth of community servers. I see this as a potential good ending, provided we go back to how things were back in the day, when we could monitor and moderate ourselves. They won't touch the Item server what-so-ever.
neutral ending. we didn't win, but we lived.
Exactly, cs 1.6 is filled with community servers and it's still alive
I can see them removing tf2 off of steam
@@user-ew7vj3hw9m but the price is too great
yeah this is the real takeaway here, if we get valve to stop hosting official servers we have basically won. one man's trash is another man's treasure right?
Imagine this finishes and valve says “weee *might* do something idk”
No, we won't stop until Valve actually does it
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“What do you mean you *might* do something!?”
honestly regardless of the outcome i think good will come from this. either valve actually does something or the more likely option happens and they show a lack of care again and the tf2 community gets its confirmation its over
3:17, but they are commiting legitimate crimes, idc if its dangerous for them
Fightning fire with fire will just burn everything down. An eye for an eye makes everyone blind. That's a stupid idea to threaten people.
@@pancakewafflez And then the community will rise from the ashes as it always does. Refusing to play hardball with these bot hosters will not do anyone any good.
@@pancakewafflezStupid fucking statement. If an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, then that implies that the world deserves to go blind- which I do not believe to be true.
@@pancakewafflez Using metaphors to support your argument is fucking stupid. We aren’t using “fire” so don’t use its logic as if it applies here
How about instead of committing actual crimes we just play on community servers that don’t have bots? That’s how we beat them
Valve doesn't care, and most likely, all of the "non annoying" or "non geneva convention breaking" protest methods will not work. So, yeah, we will probably only show them that *we* care about the game and nothing else will arise from this.
EYE FOR AN EYE, AND NOBODY GOES BLIND. Since we replace our broken/lost eye, WITH THE ENEMY'S EYE.
“Valve doesn’t care”
My guy the 64 bit conversion happened not too long ago, and they still push out updates to fix exploits. Just because they can’t fix an unfixable problem that they have stated on record as being unfixable doesn’t mean they don’t care ffs. Wanna see a truly abandoned game play the earlier cods, which are genuinely unsafe to play due to multiple exploits allowing cheaters to hack your profiles
@@shagarumedic We tried it the peaceful way, now we do it the hard way.
@@shagarumedic If it's unfixable, why has this video even been made ?
@@mekacrab Because TF2 players need a way to cope for the fact they poured multiple thousands of $ into hats, lol.
I dont think "stooping to their level" applies when the other party is actively commiting crimes
Like you dont have to publically release their data, but maybe try and collaborate with Valve so they can put together an actual case
BO NOISE SAYS THAT TF2 IS THE WORST GAME EVER
@@deltempestad That's what I'm saying.
@@deltempestad That would be the best case scenario, still, we need the #FixTF2 movement to make valve finally take a stance and side with us before we can share that information with them
Releasing their private information would be actively commiting a crime.
the stray caught by Zhain was really appreciated, I fucking hate those crate gambling websites that infect tf2, cs:go, etc.
delfy is one of them too
2:00 “stooping to the same level” buddy if someone enters your home with a gun you don’t not shoot them to avoid “stooping to their level”. These people have it coming, and more.
Yes, exposing the bot hosters to the public is a bad idea.
On the other hand, collaborating with local authorities and handing them the info, since we're talking about some fairly serious crimes being committed here that could land you in jail regardless of country, is probably the best course of action.
Being a snitch isn't illegal and tracking them down with the help or permission of the police is fine. Actually, here where I live you'd be heavily encouraged/enforced by the law to send that data over as soon as possible and refusing to do so would be seen as a form of obstruction. Make of that what you will.
Yeah, honestly, sending the proof to appropriate authorities could probably help a lot
Actually in most of the worlds nations (there are strong odds that these guys aren't western) the authorities would probably scoff at this sort of thing.
@@masterofdoots5965local authorities generally give less a fuck about anything than Valve, even if someone was murdered.
@@veggielord1740 You just have to tell them beforehand, tell them that you found someone doing an illegal activity but have no personal information. Depends on where you are but most of the time they will ask you to tell them if you find anything.
"You deserve a medal doc"
BO NOISE BETTER THAN TF2 RUclipsRS
TF2 RUclipsRS ARE WORST LOL
sorry the only replies are bots
Bot hosters SHOULD be named and publicly shamed.
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CRY ABOUT IT, TF2 IS DYING LOLOLOLO
Not just publicly shamed, but also turned into the authorities. These people have committed crimes and put actual lives in danger over bots in a video game. They need to face more consequences than people over the internet booing them.
@@Zyvear they're russian, they're not gonna face any kind of repercussion
that is until they're drafted lmfao (unless they can't because they're obese and/or disabled which likely fits the caricature)
@@Zyvear I just realized that this might be good to do after the fixtf2 movement, when all eyes are on the problem
"we're all in this together" ahh video
"nooo we can't stoop to their level or we're just as bad" you watch ENTIRELY too much anime.
He said that its bad because there is even less of a chance of valve communicating with us, however i agree i was like "what the hell?"
@@LinkUnderscr Less of a chance of communication from a company that already doesn't communicate.
Said the anime pfp person, to a channel without it.
But no, it's the simple fact that MAYBE sensible people wouldn't want to talk to extremists.
"Stooping to their level" would make the movement extremist and supported by illegal means, losing validity.
In all honesty I would agree about not stooping to their levels but some of these bot hosters been soliciting cp.
The fact they got their hands on cp means it not exposing them would stoop to their level.
I say expose them.
i like the revy pfp 🔥
I am Pyro. #FixTF2. I've been real for far too long.
Pyro.
Pyro.
GO W+M1 EVERY BOT!
Pyro.
i know brother
WE ARE NOT DYING, WE ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER #FIXTF2
Edit: my most liked comment so far, thanks maggots!
"I didn't say that! I just said we have a chance at getting a playable game!"
The problem is, you died years ago.
@@caroluss6206bait used to be believable
I didn't say that. I just said we're not filled with bots
@@NeidhardtDerBlitzschnelle Same brainwave.
Boycotts in gaming don't generally do a lot.
But sometimes they do
Riot games would disagree.
@@Vanished584it was their main money supply so they would care
Helldivers would like to disagree
@@gagamer7251 Oh absolutely. Helldivers 2's review bombing worked. And hell, even savetf2 worked a bit. Bots still decreased for a little while, even though the problem wasn't solved altogether. But hopefully fixtf2 is gonna make valve work a little harder this time around.
*So whats your gameplan to save TF2?*
"Uh, like, were gonna make videos (again) and uh, make noise on twitter (again) and um, waste time by debating the efficacy of boycotts on noname podcasts or something"
Great job, guys. At this rate Valve is SURELY going to issue another "were fixing it" tweet while doing nothing in absolutely no time!!!!!
With #SaveTF2 being the first and #FixTF2 being the 2nd... (technically the third but still..)
"Together, we are a Team Fortress 2 (2007)."
it's actually the third but aight
It's the 3rd, but yee 🗿
I hope your game is not Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)
@@evdestroy4121 what was the other two i onlyknow about fix and savetf2
@@s701m5 There was a second savetf2 movement after an update broke the item servers and Valve shut down some TF2 community projects.
The fact that this video uses _The Tale of a Cruel World_ from the Calamity soundtrack is subtly genius, and morbidly hilarious.
I looked for a comment like this, thank you.
@@V.O.I.D.Productions same lmao
true
Oh my god. This is what Detroit: Become Human predicted
Imagine thinking the concepts in Detroit: Become Human are even remotely original to that game lmao
"Protesters could be seen as annoying" Oh.. and we really wouldn't want that to happen now would we? We definitely don't want to annoy valve...
Who declawed you?
right now the petition is on 125,767 signs
132.775 rn
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@@OFFICERLTG You make even the devil cry!
@@OFFICERLTG sus
2:48 valve doesn't want to engage with any community nowadays
CRY ABOUT IT, TF2 IS DYING LOLOLOLO
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dear trolls plz stop saying that tf too is dead dont say tjat its mean :(
Anyway, yeah, Valve has been staying quiet for far too long now, its high time they start talking.
@@Str8jacket192 that troll is either a bot from those bot hosters, or he is a bot hoster himself. Either way I can only feel sad for that guy, like he can do literally anything but he goes there and writes random bullshit.
Get lost bots
Don't call the Helldivers 2 situation a success. The game is still no longer available in the countries in which PSN is not available. The statement from Sony managed to kill the movement without them actually fixing the mess they are responcible for.
it was a success in the sense that we aren't at risk of getting our information leaked because we signed up to Sony
@@Phobosc if you don't get a total victory it is a loss for everyone. Never settle for less than you had before!
This is my incorrect
Says he's gonna deliver the names to valve; proceededs to admit not knowing how to go about it. Before you start a movement, plan everything out first.
As Spy once said: We are not most men. WE ARE MERCENARIES!! Now let’s go do something!
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BO NOISE SAYS THAT TF2 IS THE WORST GAME EVER
@@OFFICERLTGYou Are not ready for this fight.
Thank you Wheatley portal 2, this was very inspirational
Remember when bait used to believable?
Can't wait for Valve to retweet their previous tweet and call it a day
If they do they we will call them out on their non-apology. We aren't stupid, considering Valve lied last time.
@@maxmikester8185 Oh no, you called them out... so what ?
@@mekacrab We continue to push them until they make a real solution.
@@maxmikester8185 Oh no, you will keep writing rude tweets about them being rude.
Now what? Oh right, you'll buy some CS cases and a few games on steam to drown your sadness.
ROFL, y'all are cardboard protesters
@@jocm99 And your comment was needed how? You sound like a corporate shill. Might want to stop while you can. If you have nothing nice to say then keep your mouth shut.
We are making waves, everyone:
As of now, Tf2 is listed as “Mostly Negative” in the recent reviews on the Steam store page.
Though other review sites that allow user reviews, such as Metacritc, Gamespot, IGN or even Google have yet to see any negative reviews for Team Fortress 2 due to the bot crisis. We should downvote there too to make FixTF2 more widespread.
it's now seen on steam as overwhelmingly negative
Boycotting steam would also be unfair to the non valve devs
The eye for an eye idea isn't bad, But not too the public, DO it for the authority
funny coming from John Marston
TF2 RUclipsRS ARE WORST LOL
CRY ABOUT IT, TF2 IS DYING LOLOLOLO
@@AshleysBrother I know Ironic coming from an outlaw, that's how bad this problem is
I highly disagree with your thoughts on 'eye-for-an-eye'. The community 'played nice' two years ago and look where that got us.
EMOTICON???????? WHAT'RE YOU DOIN HERE
wasn't expecting to find another lapfox fan out in the wild like this
that was on valve
I like how he didn't mention the LFD2 protest either lol
Good luck doing that tough guy
"Eye for an eye and the world goes blind" is bunch of crap from suicidal pacifists. This is war it is to be fought.
>Boycotting Valve / Steam as a whole
>Mostly Unproductive
And that right there is why your movement will ultimately fail. You are simply not principled enough to send a message of intent clear enough for Valve to recognise.
No, it's just tf2 community 17 years after game release in too small for Valve to notice if they start to boycott a f*cking *STEAM* AKA biggest pc game distributor + valve have other games, which profit better and unlike TF2 have cybersport tournaments.
@@mixamaslyes, Valve has other games that are slowly filling up with bots too
As if valve will read any of those email
You sound like one of those smart kids show villains that monologue too much
@@FlickTheGoat update: valve made a move, quite a big one, prepare to become a clown
When i met my current wife, the moment i truley fell in love with her is when she tried Tf2 for the first time and put a solid 3 hours into a jump map trying to learn rocket jumping. Watching that magic moment where it all finally clicked for her and the muscle memory took over just like it did for me so many years ago. I can not understate how much this meant to me and still means to this day. All I want is for my future kids to also expirence that magic. Lets keep this ball rolling people!! Not just for ourselves but for our children and our childrens children. If we keep any game from our past alive please let it be Team Fortress 2!!
Valve will not turn off the water on the flower that is tf2.
Also, boycotting has proved effective before, Warhammer 3's community boycotted the Shadows of Change DLC for its shortcomings and CA addressed the problems and fixed them,
Edit: I understand my miscalculations.
it will never work lmao not on stubborn valve
tf2's profitability is not really that high compared to steam so boycotting wont be that effective
Boycotting only works when stock prices can be effected. TF2's revenue compared to everything else Valve does is literally pennies on the dollar. It certainly doesn't hurt, but its by far the least effective method of getting Valve's attention. Review bombing and the petition are the best.
@@dudemp4 @MythicTF2 there was the fact of the ripple effect. It might not be that valuable but people still buy into it, and lot of money as well. So having them turn off the servers with people spending thousands of dollars will show to other people in games (such as CS2 like mentioned in the video) this and start NOT buying into cases and skins. But who knows, maybe valve really doesn’t care about the CS2 economy or other games similar to it.
CRY ABOUT IT, TF2 IS DYING LOLOLOLO
We wont go quietly, valve can count on that.
Patrolling the dust bowl makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
@@NorthstarSystem Shouldn't have said that.
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BO NOISE BETTER THAN TF2 RUclipsRS
Gaben has marked you for ban, and the VAC obeys. Ready yourself for disconnection!"
2014: i grew up loving TF2 & Valve 2024: i am growing up still loving TF2 but not Valve
"Lets make Valve hear us, we can't loose a game that we have all grown up with"
lol you think a petition will do anything! simply epic! The only thing a hand delivered petition will accomplish is filling valves trash can faster. Maybe GabeN will use it to wipe the crust off of his mushroom tip.
at least a few Seattle hotels will get some business out of it.
''I HAVE CAME FROM THE GRAVE (to give the living haircuts)''
-TF2
TF2 RUclipsRS ARE WORST LOL
CRY ABOUT IT, TF2 IS DYING LOLOLOLO
@@OFFICERLTG so is your gate to heaven. Save yourself
@@OFFICERGABENEWELL atleast they are better than NPC's with no life.
@@Ohio102 just stop acknowledging them. They’ll never leave but never get satisfaction.
I 100% agree with the eye for an eye method. Criminals don’t have a right to privacy over the crime they’re committing, and if exposing their identities allows for justice to be served more swiftly, it should happen. The bot boaters are relying on that fear of retaliation from the community to continue holding the game hostage. It’s cowardly to allow them to continue doing this, to be afraid of Valve’s response to it.
@joeser6666 They agree with the method, and disagree with the video's opinion.
oops i didn't saw the "method" part sorry
Guys don't harass and ddos the bot hosters that might actually do something!!!!!
@@veggielord1740 Instead, just do the thing everybody's already been doing but Valve doesn't give 2 GUY FAWKES ABOUT, BOYCOTTING THE ITEM STORE! :D lmao
I think a large part of why the bot hosters are such awful people in the first place is because no one taught them that the internet is full of real people who can show up at your front doorstep one day.
2:57 bro valve doesn’t want to engage with the community when it doesn’t do that either.
Being a coward accomplishes nothing.
The biggest point I have, is that we can't just make a big deal today and then forget about it. We have to keep hounding them until they actually deliver. No twitter post, nothing but an actual fix, should get us to stop. We MUST keep at it, PERMANENTLY, until the issue is fixed. STOP THE BOTS.
TF2 RUclipsRS ARE WORST LOL
NEVER SURRENDER!
That is true, the movement needs to keep going
_Just imagine...._
TF2 Community: "Hey game, you alright?"
TF2: "I don't know, man... I uh- I don't think-
Valve: *_"I didn't come all this way to see you quit."_*
TF2: "Valve?"
*(insert shot of Gaben, Valve Employees, TF2 Voice Cast, RUclipsrs, and Members alike all in group together)*
TF2: "Guys, you're here! I can't believe this!"
Gaben: "I knew you needed a bot fixin', but I didn't know it was this bad."
TF2: "I thought you said you'd never come back."
Gaben: "Well, I really didn't have a choice. Lazy has yet to upload How It Feels To Play Medic."
the main thing is the bot hosters are counting on is the fact they are maybe minors and younger thinking that could be their shield.
the reality is literally the statute of limitations is a thing and companies wait it out until these people become older and sue the hell outta them. we seen this before so hecc.
VPN
@@ziphy_6471 They don't work the way you think, they store the true location and identities of all their users because they're legally required to. Any company or legal entity can subpoena that information.
The statute of limitations literally allows people to wait out crimes
>exposing the identity of literal criminals is bad... because... just because, okay?
did you watch the rest too?
it had the answer after it
@@mr.m2675 >giving the authorities names of criminals is literally the same as being a criminal!
@@hypnotised-clover ooh that what you mean, too many people seen to think they need to be revieled to the public for... i dont know the worst would be to vandalise their house.
that would be a bad idea
uhmm sweaty? its le immoral or something
Yeah that part is so fucking dumb honestly. Imagine acting all mighty for no reason. Just publicize all the botters names
Eye for an eye always works. F*ck around and find out.
It's a crime you fool
"Whats that saying? Dont pick a fight with a man with nothing to lose? You see im gonna show You just how much you have to lose, and I got the most powerful bot army on the planet to do it." - Handsome Jack
@@Vanished584 Everyone has something to lose.
@@Vanished584holy rakk another borderlands enjoyer?!
Eye for an eye is usually a good way to make your problem continue for generations.
If you call that working, then I guess it always works.
why would/should valve care. idk why signing a petition would make them do anything. these people are just gonna find workarounds anyway.
The existence of Deadlock makes this situation much worse.
Valve working on Deadlock indicates that they have no intention of fixing TF2.
In fact, letting things continue as they are is probably in Valve's best interest.
If Deadlock doesnt end up being another artifact-like flop and performs pretty well, then it'd not only be competing with other team shooters on the market but TF2 as well, their own game.
Letting the bot crisis drive the game into the dirt would not only remove part of their competition but it would circumvent a PR nightmare as they wouldnt be directly killing the game themselves.
Sorry for the yap wall, just wanted to share my two cents on it all
#FixTF2 This is absolutely fucking embarassing on the MULTI-BILLION dollar company's part, and the fact that Valve is so content with legitimate CRIME being commited within their game is genuinely fucking despicable.
#. SAVETF2 IS FAILED IMAGINE DUDE
#PlayJBMOD #KillTF2
@@kleinergaming2008are you a smoothbrained yt comment bot, or one of The tf2 bot hosters?
@@IsmoLaitela-hg9nj fun fact neither
@@kleinergaming2008 so you are just a smoothbrain. Got it.
Let’s goooo 🫡
oh hi @KlassicLoL
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TF2 RUclipsRS ARE WORST LOL
Bots in the comments too damm
@@rupmarch it’s crazy 💀
More than any other reason revealing the bot hosters' identities would probably be ineffective because they're likely Russian and uh... I feel like the Russian law enforcement won't really want to help Americans out at the moment...
Even under normal circumstances Russian law enforcement wouldn't give a shit lol.
TheWhatShow really deserves tons of credit for the video where he begun with all of that.
He was cooking, and he cooked.
"Valve isn't going to want to engage with the community who does that"
As opposed to them...continuing to not engage with us anyway just like it's been for the past 6 years? What?
Also, lol the Zhain callout.
Exactly
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They would be forced to interact and likely Disavow / Punish the TF2 Community if it were to stoop to potentially illegal methods.
Just because they barely engage with the community doesn’t mean they won’t instantly snap to the fear of possible legal repercussions. (Especially if the wrong person gets hurt.)
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@@OFFICERLTG Guys don’t engage.
I have been doing my part by not having spent a sinlge cent on microtransactions in my entire life.
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#. SAVETF2 IS FAILED IMAGINE DUDE
Bringing the physical signatures is a great idea. But a whole protest with signs and chanting and stuff at valve's hq over a game, it just doesn't feel right if that makes sense
Alright, what do you expect Valve to do? Give me some ideas for how to fix the bot problem, have any?
The source leak would be a problem
Remember that time people protested L4D2 in front of Valve HQ? We should do that for FixTF2.
that's a good idea
The video just said why that is a bad idea
sarcastic rigte?
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Remember:
NO SURRENDER UNTIL VALVE DOES SOMETHING.
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12:16 Zhain and Zelot : ....
Exposing the identity of bot hosters is the best idea, especially considering one of them got arrested for paedophilia a years ago or more ago (can't remember how long ago). Twilightsparkle I believe the hoster was called. God knows how bad the others are.
150k petitions signs is crazy
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"Erm we shouldn't expose the bot hosters info cuz that would make us bad!!!"🤓🤓🤓🤓
that wasn't the point, the point was valve having a problem with it. We NEED to be more civilized, we NEED to be the better side of this conflict if we want valve to listen, otherwise, to Valve , we are just a toxic community fighting amongst ourselves.
@@notTLWO If valve does nothing after this movement then what would stop us from releasing their info
@@notTLWO Uh huh, sure, lose with dignity.
@@UMADBRO64 People seem to forget that mob justice was the only justice in the early days of the internet, now there's just no justice at all because we got so worried with what a billion dollar company thinks when they have shown us nothing but willful negligence, Sundowner was right "why not give war a chance".
@@notTLWO the other point is no matter what, they won't listen anyway, Just because they react and tweet sometimes to civilized approaches, doesn't mean they listen
Good news guys, I looked on the tf2 store page on steam and on the recent reviews it says: mostly negative. So that’s some good news
The people who have the bots needs to be put on trial and be sentenced for their crimes
- Asks for majority opinion on exposing Bot Hosters
- Majority approves it
- Still refuses it as a means
Yeah. It’s a shame really
it's illegal 🤓
I like how he says if we did that valve wouldnt engage with us. Dude they dont engage with us now, nothing would change.
And the thing is they have done worst such as swatting
did you watch the video
What I don't understand is that these bots leave links to click for using to then get hacked. We have all these huge counter-hackers on youtube. Is it not possible to get one of these big names to trace these hacks and report them to authorities? They practically leave their fingerprints all over servers.
#. SAVETF2 IS FAILED IMAGINE DUDE
Boycotting does nothing with a company that does not listen or care.
Criminals do not have any right whatsoever, not even from crimes against humanity. Why are we even giving even the slightest hint of mercy or soft handed approaches towards these people?
*Mercy to an enemy cannot come at the cost of mercy for their victims*
An extremely thought through and well presented video. Thewhat, if this doesnt work, know that you have our respect for trying very very hard. Good luck with the physical delivery. Look forward to seeing it happen somehow.
I'm doing my part!
- Signed the petition when it was fresh.
- Haven't bought anything in TF2 in forever, hell I barely played in the last month.
- Just left a negative review, gone in depth of me and the communities frustration.
I was addiction to the game for a good few years back in Feb. 2015. I had a blast and remembers those moments with joy, and I don't want it to end here.
A Zhain call out was not in my cards, but I'm glad you did it.
Same I didn't realize how bad he was until now lol
@@laptopgaming4809May I ask why is he bad?
Probably the sponsors (tf2 easy I think) during his vids while talking about the topic
@@laptopgaming4809 Yup it is tf2 easy. Thats what its called.
Thanks
Boycotting might not cause the servers to shut down,
It still very could cause Valve to say “well it seems this isn’t making money anymore” and stop supporting the game, keeping the servers up but just moving from the game to other games
Stop supporting the game how, exactly? The game's completely overrun with bots that they aren't doing anything about. They've been working on their other games and are developing a brand new one as we speak. The potential outcome you're describing looks a lot like the current state of the game.
@@greasehardbody4018 stop updating and maintaining servers, they can shut Down casual servers and keep up the item servers
This is basically Avengers Age of Ultron but it's TF2: Age of Aimbots
Best Idea: Find bot hoster addresses and give it to us soldier mains
This will make a mess let us Pyro mains burn every bit host to ashes
Internet vigilantism is all we have left, it's been 6 years. Valve isn't doing anything to stop this, so we gotta do it ourselves
Valve has abandoned us, we only have ourselves now
As of this comment the petition has reached over 160,000 signatures.
My guy; it's not an "eye for an eye" IF WERE DEALING WITH LITERAL CRIMMINALS!
It is when u go to jail :v
Boycotting + Spreading awareness is best in my opinion, not only will we give Valve a reason to actually work on it it will also show the internet Valve is ignoring there playerbase and that doesnt look good for them
TF2 RUclipsRS ARE WORST LOL
@@OFFICERGABENEWELL Whats bad about wanting to play a game without cheating bots ruining everyones fun?
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@@OFFICERLTG Thats a u problem bro lot of us still like it
@@cgstudiosthebaconbroJust report these bot comments and move on.
I think it would be neat if we were to bring the names to Valve in a bucket. #SaveTF2 #FixTF2
#PlayJBMOD #KillTF2
"Dear God."
"There's more."
"No!"
@@fojisan2398 "It contains the dying wish of every man here."
Fitting really.
@@1mariomaniac Scout. You did collect everyone's dying wish.
i'd love to see it recorded them putting that bucket at the front desk or whatnot saying "This, is a bucket."
“Mission ends in 60 seconds.” PUB PUSH LETS GO!
Valve is waiting for somebody to come over the intercom and say "TF2 ends in 60 seconds!" then they'll pub rush a fix
If at all possible, we absolutely should name and shame the bot hosters.
They are evil people doing awful things and must be held accountable.
Hell, they’ve started taking _illegal_ actions against normal players.
Your thoughts about the economy boycott is interesting for sure.
Your point about CSGO is *fascinating.*
CRY ABOUT IT, TF2 IS DYING LOLOLOLO
CRY ABOUT IT, TF2 IS DYING LOLOLOLO
uttp falling so bad into irrelevancy they gotta make spam bots coping about their “trolls” to other people
just report ‘em when you see ‘em
@@OFFICERGABENEWELL When your name is leaked I will send dog shit to your door
As a F2P, I've been boycotting TF2 for like 100 hours
same
Holy based, link account so I can buy you a premium upgrade (from a 3rd party so vavle gets no money 🗿)
@@CopeAndSeeth Nah man it's cool. I think it's really funny not being able to talk.
@@CopeAndSeeththey still get money
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I love how furious u were while the peaceful calamity theme played in the background
This game was a big part of my childhood, sucks to see the state it's in now