I am a convert to the “diamond” tool holder, using the Australian commercial product. It gives the best finish and is so versatile. Using round hss on brass is a joy. Your home built tool holder demonstrates not only your creative ability, but also the dexterity of both your shaper and the Deckel milling machine. Fabulous 👏👏👍😀
This brings back many memories for me. I'm very familiar with your machinery...lol love it. A. Place I could walk in and feel right at home. For 17 years I worked for a 3 generation family owned diamond tool company in southern NH. We made various style diamond dresses, Hardness testers, Penetraters , indenters, etc etc. Everything was achieved using older machines nothing being digital or computerized. Our hardness tester was dial calibration, lol. The founder actually made some of machines we most often used. A diamond tool bender with a magnified screen that showed the diamond point as you bent it then in a lathe you would trim off the he high side. We worked on Southbend and Harding lathes and your milling machine looks very similar ! There's a certain pride that comes from doing work by hand that is now completely done robotically.
Hi Michel ☺ thanks for another interesting video, that was some difficult angles to machine , but the Deckal adjustability makes it easy for you, great machine. I was worried that on the lathe the cutting load on the diamond tool would force it down in the holder, but apparantly this doesn't happen, so an excellent result for your efforts. Stay safe my friend, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Funny, I made one nearly at the same time and discovered the video only one year later.... It is neayly the same and I played with the table on my Schaublin 13 witch is very similar to yours. Not smart enough to calculate the rotation but corrected it when making a plastic sample piece. I fixed the bit in a similar way, but with consistent cuts (and oil) it slips down constantly. Maybe something to improve ! Great tool except that ! Thanks for your great videos. Mathieu.
Myford used to do a set of tangential tools for use on the Myford, but not a popular item it seems. Homemade is the way to go to try the concept, then buy commercial if you can justify cost for "better" quality. 😉 I have a boxed set of Myford tools bought at a rummage sale but prefer my homemade one on my Colchester.
I have a commercial version of the Diamond Toolholder and I find I use it for 99% of the turning work I do. Something to consider is after grinding your tool bit use a stone to very slightly radius the cutting edge. I find this improves surface finish and extends tool bit life between sharpenings.
The Sharpening Block as provided by Eccentric Engineering is an extremely simple and effective means to consistently sharpen a Diamond Tool (Tangential Tool Cutter) I have several other jigs and methods and I end up using the Jig designed by Des Burke because of its simplicity.
I had an idea to use a shorter tool, and have an adjustment screw/bold on the 'bottom', to allow for tweaking the position of the tool after grinding, incase it's difficult, or unwieldy, to adjust the tool holder position in fine enough resolution. Just thinkin'
Great video, very funny and enjoyable to watch. That milling machine is amazingly versatile, I didn't know it quite so adjustable ...... still prefer watching you use the shaper though, great slow motion sequence. Good luck from Spain!! PS Thanks for the links to the other videos, good idea!!
Hi Rusty Firstly I really enjoy your work. The diamond tool holder is a commercial product designed and made in Melbourne Australia. Yes I have a couple. They are great tools. The correct term to use is a tangential tool holder, that term will describe a generic tool holder that uses the "tangential" alignment of the tool bit, enabling the grinding of a single face to align it.
The actual idea is victorian era but you are right xbout who makes them now. I made a copy of the 19th century one but prefer my homemade version of the ozzie one as it is stiffer.
Wow... with that particular montage music, I kept imagining you running along in slow-motion, shaking your head with sweat pouring off your forehead... :)
You did a great job on this. I didn't understand where the 4 degrees of twist came from on the two different angles. I love how versatile the FP1 is. I really like this project.
A good idea to make one of these and I think you will like using the tool but i would have suggested 12 degrees in both forward and lean and the tool ground to 30. I also think a smaller cross section piece of HSS like 1/4 or 6mm would be better, quicker to regrind and you dont need such a long cutting edge. As others have said a radius along the entire length of the active corner makes a better cut and stronger longer lasting one. You will also find that a left to right cut, on the same or slightly deeper cut, gives acsheared very smooth finish. If there is one slight disadvantage of these tools it is that the tool can be drawn into the work, if your cross slide screw has play, making you take a deeper cut than expected. I have made many versions of this tool, from one like yours to a one piece version of the Australian one, i even made a copy of the original Victorian idea from the 1880's.
@@Rustinox Just thought of one of the other advantages of the tool that being able to adjust cutting height if you don't have a quick change tool post.
I was always surprised by one moment with this holder. Why does HSS blank sharpen not at every corner? Indeed, in this case, it is enough to turn the cutter when it becomes dull and work? Trips to the grinding machine are 4 times less frequent. And the cutter consumption is 4 times slower?
Awesome Michel, I lost 9 days of filming on my build, but the world is still spinning I the last time I looked (@@)!. Always great to see you making something useful, and Sammie is giving you a Big Thumbs up from above :)> Bear
I've been thinking about making myself a diamond tool holder for a while!. your process looked nice and simple (we will just skip over that Deckel bit...!) just one question, did that bolt hold the HSS well? I was worried it might slip when you loaded up the tip when cutting.
Well done!
Love to see the FP in full use :-)
Thanks Stefan. The fp1 is made for it, so I might as well use it :)
I am a convert to the “diamond” tool holder, using the Australian commercial product. It gives the best finish and is so versatile. Using round hss on brass is a joy.
Your home built tool holder demonstrates not only your creative ability, but also the dexterity of both your shaper and the Deckel milling machine. Fabulous 👏👏👍😀
Thanks Andrew. The toolholder works great.
Always worth the time I spend with you, Thanks.....
That's nice. Thanks.
I have a pirate sword, brilliant 👏 😀 👌 👍.
That's another tool on my list make Rusti 🧐😄🥺.
Great job and video, thanks for sharing.
Go for it. It's easier than it looks.
This brings back many memories for me. I'm very familiar with your machinery...lol love it. A. Place I could walk in and feel right at home.
For 17 years I worked for a 3 generation family owned diamond tool company in southern NH. We made various style diamond dresses, Hardness testers, Penetraters , indenters, etc etc.
Everything was achieved using older machines nothing being digital or computerized. Our hardness tester was dial calibration, lol. The founder actually made some of machines we most often used. A diamond tool bender with a magnified screen that showed the diamond point as you bent it then in a lathe you would trim off the he high side. We worked on Southbend and Harding lathes and your milling machine looks very similar ! There's a certain pride that comes from doing work by hand that is now completely done robotically.
Thanks for your input, Willy. Really interesting.
I've never used a diamond tool like this, but your Deckel is definitely the machine to make it with. Nicely done!
You should make one. It works great.
Nice project, Rusti! Compound angle setups sure do add spice to life. Of course, that’s where the Deckel really shines. Thanks! 👍
With the fp1 it becomes a piece of cake.
Nice job Michel. Deckel to the rescue, with backup and support from the trusty shaper.
Thanks Preso. They make a good team :)
Nice tool thanks for sharing the video
Thanks Frank Ward.
I have been using the Diamond Tool holder since 2012 when I began my journey into hobby machining
They work very well.
wow thats pretty cool! enjoyed it a lot Rusti. thanks
Thanks Emma.
Great job, Rusti! Another fine tool for your collection 😁.
That little mill can practically mill around corners! 🤣
Cheers!
Almost :)
Brilliant RUSTINOX the smell of freshly cut steel in the morning. Your looking extremely well these days. Keep it coming big style. Tony
Thanks Tony.
Fantastic build
Thanks Craig.
Deckel FP1 are so great milling machine! Great project.
Thanks. It's indeed a very nice machine.
Good build…simple/smart….awesome adjustments on the deckel
Thanks Chuck.
great video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks.
Superb. Another project for my list...
Go for it.
great job Michel
simplicity is the best
rake care
Kev
Spot on, Kev. Thanks.
Good one . The new mill came in handy there . 👍
Thanks Max. It's a joy to use.
Nice project!
Thanks Patrick.
Hi Michel ☺ thanks for another interesting video, that was some difficult angles to machine , but the Deckal adjustability makes it easy for you, great machine. I was worried that on the lathe the cutting load on the diamond tool would force it down in the holder, but apparantly this doesn't happen, so an excellent result for your efforts. Stay safe my friend, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Thanks Stuart.
Brilliant Rusty - I have seen these tool holders, but not yet tried one. Your build came out great 👍
Thanks Craigh. I haven't used it much, but I will.
Funny, I made one nearly at the same time and discovered the video only one year later.... It is neayly the same and I played with the table on my Schaublin 13 witch is very similar to yours. Not smart enough to calculate the rotation but corrected it when making a plastic sample piece. I fixed the bit in a similar way, but with consistent cuts (and oil) it slips down constantly. Maybe something to improve ! Great tool except that ! Thanks for your great videos. Mathieu.
Mine works just fine. I use it all the time.
Great build there and makes me excited to finish my FP1 Clone rebuild. Such a flexible machine.
Go for it!
Brilliant. And I love the editing. Bravo. Gilles
Thanks you very much, Gilles.
Great result there Michel. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
Thanks Harold.
Fantastic work as usual Rusti. The FP1 is perfect for this kind of job, very versatile machine. Great entry, well made! Well done. Cheers, Jon
Thanks Jon. After all, it's a toolmakers machine :)
LOL - may need to step up to a lab coat when working with the FP-1. Great work as always. Enjoyed it greatly.
Thanks.
as always, noice job 👍👍
Thanks Peter.
11/10/22 Congratulations on winning 👍🏴
Thanks Al.
I made a left and right hand diamond tool holder two years ago. They are now my go to tool holders!
I think they work great.
Awesome project Rusty ! Should be quite handy...Enjoyed 👍👍
Thanks Dean.
That’s quite a versatile mill you have there . Never seen one of those before. Thanks for sharing.
It's indeed a very nice toy.
Looking nice rusty!
Thanks Chris.
Hello Michel,
A really good tool, I have been thinking of using a diamond cutting tool on my Myford... A good video, thank you.
Take care.
Paul,,
Thanks paul. It's working great.
Myford used to do a set of tangential tools for use on the Myford, but not a popular item it seems. Homemade is the way to go to try the concept, then buy commercial if you can justify cost for "better" quality. 😉
I have a boxed set of Myford tools bought at a rummage sale but prefer my homemade one on my Colchester.
@@chrisstephens6673 Hi Chris, thank for the interesting info...
Something like that is on my list of things to do... thanks for further inspiration Michel!
Go for it. It works really well.
Very interesting project rusty, excellent job...
Thanks.
Very interesting take on tool cutters.
And it works!
I have a commercial version of the Diamond Toolholder and I find I use it for 99% of the turning work I do. Something to consider is after grinding your tool bit use a stone to very slightly radius the cutting edge. I find this improves surface finish and extends tool bit life between sharpenings.
You're right. A small nose radius improves the finish a lot.
Great work!
That mill is working really well for you
Thanks Tom. It's indeed a very nice toy.
As always...Thanks
Welcome Niel.
Today we will use all the angles.
Indeed, all of them :)
Thanks Rusty loads of good info
Thanks Paul.
Very nice job sir. You are going to cost me money I don't have cause every time you use the shaper I feel the need to own one hahaha
Go for it Jim. Shapers are not very expensive.
The Sharpening Block as provided by Eccentric Engineering is an extremely simple and effective means to consistently sharpen a Diamond Tool (Tangential Tool Cutter) I have several other jigs and methods and I end up using the Jig designed by Des Burke because of its simplicity.
Thanks for your imput, David.
I had an idea to use a shorter tool, and have an adjustment screw/bold on the 'bottom', to allow for tweaking the position of the tool after grinding, incase it's difficult, or unwieldy, to adjust the tool holder position in fine enough resolution. Just thinkin'
Yes, that could work.
Great video, very funny and enjoyable to watch.
That milling machine is amazingly versatile, I didn't know it quite so adjustable ...... still prefer watching you use the shaper though, great slow motion sequence.
Good luck from Spain!!
PS Thanks for the links to the other videos, good idea!!
Thanks David.
Hi Rusty
Firstly I really enjoy your work. The diamond tool holder is a commercial product designed and made in Melbourne Australia. Yes I have a couple. They are great tools. The correct term to use is a tangential tool holder, that term will describe a generic tool holder that uses the "tangential" alignment of the tool bit, enabling the grinding of a single face to align it.
Thanks for your imput, John.
The actual idea is victorian era but you are right xbout who makes them now. I made a copy of the 19th century one but prefer my homemade version of the ozzie one as it is stiffer.
Wow... with that particular montage music, I kept imagining you running along in slow-motion, shaking your head with sweat pouring off your forehead... :)
... and plunging my hand in an ice bucket and picking a can of cold beer out of it...
@@Rustinox Pop the tab... pour it over your head... shake your hair some more...
thats a very handy table on your mill good job
It's indeed a nice machine.
This is great! Thanks! I'm thinking a diamond tool holder for the shaper.
Go for it.
Excellent as usual Rusti. That Dekel sure is amazing. Cheers
Thanks Paul. It's a nice toy :)
That deckel sure is a cool machine
Absolutely.
I wonder how I am going to get this compound angle cut? The Deckel says "Hold my beer." LOL!
Spot on Tom :)
You did a great job on this. I didn't understand where the 4 degrees of twist came from on the two different angles. I love how versatile the FP1 is. I really like this project.
It's a bit hard to explane in the comments, but I will show it in an upcoming video.
@@Rustinox That is very gracious of you. Thank you.
A good idea to make one of these and I think you will like using the tool but i would have suggested 12 degrees in both forward and lean and the tool ground to 30. I also think a smaller cross section piece of HSS like 1/4 or 6mm would be better, quicker to regrind and you dont need such a long cutting edge.
As others have said a radius along the entire length of the active corner makes a better cut and stronger longer lasting one. You will also find that a left to right cut, on the same or slightly deeper cut, gives acsheared very smooth finish.
If there is one slight disadvantage of these tools it is that the tool can be drawn into the work, if your cross slide screw has play, making you take a deeper cut than expected.
I have made many versions of this tool, from one like yours to a one piece version of the Australian one, i even made a copy of the original Victorian idea from the 1880's.
Very interesting comment Chris. Thanks for your imput.
@@Rustinox Just thought of one of the other advantages of the tool that being able to adjust cutting height if you don't have a quick change tool post.
I can see why the FP1 is such a desirable machine. Is there any thing you can't make with it. KOKO!
The FP1 is indeed very versatile.
I was always surprised by one moment with this holder. Why does HSS blank sharpen not at every corner? Indeed, in this case, it is enough to turn the cutter when it becomes dull and work? Trips to the grinding machine are 4 times less frequent. And the cutter consumption is 4 times slower?
The face of this cutting tool is the highest point. If you want to ude the four corners, it will change the angle of the face.
Did you search for "epic vise tramming" for background music? Well chosen.
I was looking for some other music and I foun this. So, I used it :)
I loved the slow motion shaper... but I wanted the chip to make a "boing" noise at the end of each stroke. :)
Well, it just made a subtile "click" sound... Maybe next time better :)
Awesome Michel, I lost 9 days of filming on my build, but the world is still spinning I the last time I looked (@@)!. Always great to see you making something useful, and Sammie is giving you a Big Thumbs up from above :)> Bear
Thanks Bear. Let's hope the world will keep on spinning for a while :)
Now youre just showin off.
Well, that's part of doing RUclips :)
Ist sehr lustig.
Danke
Thanks.
I've been thinking about making myself a diamond tool holder for a while!. your process looked nice and simple (we will just skip over that Deckel bit...!) just one question, did that bolt hold the HSS well? I was worried it might slip when you loaded up the tip when cutting.
Absolutely no problem. Just to be sure, you can install two bolts, but I think there's no need.
👍👍😎👍👍
Thanks Joel.
Fp1 showoff, great video, but you could have done it in the shaper instead.
Indeed, it's possible to do it all on the shaper. Exept drilling and tapping the hole.
I think you're all screw up, you don't need to compensate 4 degrees, totally unnecessary.
I think you don't understand. I explane in this video; ruclips.net/video/Ywp7dGFD8Q8/видео.html
Enjoyed, thanks!
Thanks John.
I was enthralled by your style, amazing bit of machining, why I wasn’t subbed I don’t know but am now.
Thanks for the sub, Ian. You're welcome.