You know you're a real Naruto fan when you actually pay attention to small details and hints in the series instead of saying, *"This is lazy writing"* I always knew the Naruto series was alot better than what people gave it credit for
Ngl I actually agree with a lot of points made here if you look at part 1 you'll realize how small scale the world is considering back then orichimaru was viewed as unstoppable and the mastermind but enter akatsuki and more villages now we truly see how big scale the world. Also i don't think Kishimoto ever intended for characters like Lee and Neji to get popular so hence the backlash for them being "wasted" I DO think Kishimoto intended for the two main rookies outside of team 7 to be Shikamaru and Hinata considering Shikamaru was the one to become chunnin before everyone else as well as getting his arc as MC in shippuden and Hinata is well the love interest. Also I think Ino is actually one of the more useful konoha rookies maybe not combat wise but support and communication wise she helps greatly in the war and now for the village. As for the others thats just typical shonen where they suffer that shonen side character effect like the human z fighters hell Kiba was definitely inspired by Yamcha 😂
lol at that Kiba being Yamaha comment! But yeah, I agree. Shikamaru was always poised to have a more important role than the rest of the rookies, and Hinata clearly being the MC's love interest.
i know boruto isn’t talked about a lot on this channel but ino and shikimaru are pretty relevant all things considered with ino managing the barrier and communication and shikimaru becoming hokage
Six had made the point that Naruto is already 700 chapters long. Having Kishimoto add more chapters to focus on the side characters would’ve just made the manga even longer, which is a turn off for many people. Just look at One Piece and how many people don’t wanna give it a shot purely because it’s so long
Coulda been something as small as replacing sai with any other of the konoha 9. Coulda brought one of them on a mission or something they didn’t need chapters
@@sephirotten2413and that’s why it’s dragged out. Not every character needs an arc. The konoha 11 all had their time to shine in part 1 and most of their character arcs concluded in part 1. Shippuden introduced new characters. Only thing you could argue about the konoha 11 is that they should’ve had more screentime but most of them didn’t need more characters arcs or moments
That attamept to confront Sasuke wth Lee, Kiba and Sai was more interesting than Sakura crying and getting saved AGAIN, to see how far they got compared to Sasuke.
@JuubiTaz even though they would likely lose but at the same time Sasuke just fought Danzo so he is at his limits, they stand a chance until Tobi inteteferesbut Kishinoto wanted this to be about Team 7, which is boring
One aspect why i think they never got to any type of high level in anything is that they just stuck to their clan's jutsus, for example, Shikamaru isn't really fit for this conversation because he went on to become a politician pretty much, but a guy like Shino, if he learned other things besides his bug jutsus, he could've went on to be a pretty decent shinobi, i know it's so everyone is unique but you gotta ask yourself at a point, if i am so weak, why not try to diversify my arsenal?
that's true, but I also dont think they had the stronger motivations/drivers for power that Naruto (bringing Sasuke back, tackling hatred) & Sasuke (avenging his clan/brother) had. Even Sakura had a stronger drive (to catch up to Naruto/Sasuke)
They got wasted but tons of other characters did get love. Many anime don’t expand on other characters the way Naruto does. Look at the Akatsuki, other villages, Kages, Uchiha, villains, and reanimations.
I honestly agree that some of the side characters should've had some more screetime. I'm not saying they needed central chapters, cuz the manga is already 700 chapters long, so no need for more. But they could have been included in some of the stories, like how Team Gai was in the Gaara Rescue arc, or how Team Asuma got the central role in the Akatsuki Supression arc. Team Kurunei could have been part of a major story arc, rather then just be part of a search team during the Itachi Search arc. Plus I'd have loved to see the dynamic between Hinata and Naruto play out a bit more. Not to mention the rivalry-like friendship between Naruto and Kiba. Heck, most of Shippuden, Kurenei was on maternal leave so Kiba, Hinata and Shino barely got to do anything. I'm just saying they could have involved the other characters a bit more in the story. I loved the Sasuke Retrieval arc because it showcased more of Choji and Kiba who previously hadn't done much, Choji was mostly just a joke character, and Kiba was just an obstacle for Naruto to overcome. I'd have loved for more arcs like that in Shippuden.
Wouldn't say kiba not being able to break a rashomon gate is that much of an anti feat. Three of those things can redirect the force of a four tails bijuu bomb
One thing I would change about naruto is make the Konoha 11 feel more like a cohesive unit. And probobly give Sauske more of a dynamic with the rest of them
Good video one of the the problem with naruto is that kishimoto doesn't do anything with his side character rock lee and neji are example of wasted potential
@@dytgyfgyffuh243”doesn’t do anything with his side characters” is false. They all had their moments in part 1, the konoha 11 don’t need more character arcs. Nejis arc concluded in part 1 when Naruto proved him wrong and when he learned the truth about his clan. Lee is a tragic story bc hard work only beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard. And as we see, a lot of talented characters started training and working hard so Lee was surpassed. Shippuden introduced so many new characters to say kishi doesn’t do anything with them just bc the konoha 11 don’t have as much screentime is false.
*watching this made me realize there was major misunderstanding in the fandom about this topic (at very least that's how i interpret this situation)* the confusion between character plot relevance and character (power) development for me, I don't really care that much that they're weak but i care more about their contribution to the story ... basically screentime even though they're side character but they're also established earlier as important side character to the mc like you said you don't have to be strongest to contribute to the story which is i totally agree 💯 i just want they to play more role in contribution to the mc and plot in EACH ARC you can develop the side character without making them powercreep by mc example; team 8 is supposed to be intel gathering expert right ? i wish they can do just that more consistently to help driven the plot like any well written side character supposed to be ... you got what i mean right ? 700 chapter is long but at the same time it feels short because to me kishimoto didn't utilize the story writing very efficiently i feel like i can write more but clearly english isn't my strongest attributes, i hope you can read and understand my point here and give me your thoughts on this very short essay i write here i love your video and here a bit gift from me ❤
Yea no Im with you. I do think they could've been given more relevance to the plot even without making it to the power creep. The problem is that, as the series progressed, the stronger characters became more relevant to the story. That's due to all the chaotic events, and the introduction of strong S-ranked characters, and even the war. The rookies still had some moments of relevance. Ino for example played an important role in the war, and like u said, team 8 helped track Sasuke on 2 separate occasions. Ofc as Naruto advanced, his sensory skills became the best. Honestly, I think that's what the filler/movies (even rock lee & ninja pals) are for, they give the rookies a lot more screen time & side stories. Ofc its not as important as the canon, but you needed to be a lot stronger to be more relevant in the later stages of Naruto. Anyways, im glad you enjoyed the video & I really appreciate your gift bro. Make sure to check out more of my videos if you liked this one.
Okay, I know I'm going to sound a bit miserable, but the problem with the Rookies isn't that they were wasted, but seeing how you say it, rather the vast majority of them no longer had any changes in Part 2, not only in power scale, that their abilities for Part 2 are already very meh but also in Story since they weren't very interesting in that aspect either, or in some cases they had already fulfilled their purpose in the Work but Kishimoto made the worst mistake by saving their lives when their deaths were good endings like Lee, Chōji, Neji... with Lee in his fight against Gaara, and Chōji and Neji against the sound ninjas. So I feel that Kishi should have killed the vast majority of the Rookies before entering Part 1, and that only a few remained, besides Team 7, the others who should have survived are Shikamaru, Hinata and... I think Ino, of the rest and sorry for sounding quite cold but they should have died, that way nobody would feel so much about the waste of most of them fulfilling their roles well, and seeing that most of them were not in Kishi's plans would have been perfect, to sit down more quickly in the things of Part 2. By the way, if you ask me what if that happened and how I would have made a leading group that was quite wide, well simple the Jinchūriki that they fulfilled that function and even much better than All the Rookies, that simple and even more so that they fit better with the messages and ideas of Part 2 and in general what Naruto means as a Work. Basically the same as in Jojo's, changing the Leading Group every time there is a new part.
I've always wondered wat did naruto actually learned in his 3 years of training???? cuz all i saw was him just learning the giant rasengan & learning how to break out of genjutsu wat else did jiraya teach him
you're referencing sakura at her earlier shippuden state. sakura by war arc and beyond could compete with a few of the Akatsuki outside of pain, itachi, may kisame. Everyone else she could fight toe to toe
I enjoyed the video and no disrespect to you bro, but Guy's team is NOT a part of the Rookie Nine. Neji, Lee and Tenten graduated from the academy one year before others so they are no longer considered rookies at the start of the series. Guy held his team back for a year so they could hone their skills before entering the Chunin exams. The Rookie Nine are the genin from Teams 7, 8 & 10.
Dygoknights Naruto/Shippuden rewrite honestly made me hate the abuse Kishimoto has done against his own characters. Dygo managed to write and build up supporting characters like the Konoha 11, Anko, Team Hebi, etc. Not only that, he managed to build alot of them up with good powerscaling to where they can fight strong opponents without ass pulls
Yeah i am waiting for him to finish it so i can watch it in it's entirety, if i watch parts at different times, it just gets confusing, the best rewriter in the naruto sphere, if you look at things like The Amagi, most of the things they do is cringe.
Naruto "fans" when side characters are treated like side characters 😢😢😢
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Just because they’re side characters doesn’t mean they have to do nothing and get wasted.
@@reality4saints that's exactly what it means. The story isn't about them
@@uspahle no it’s not lol they didn’t get wasted Naruto part 1. This must be the only show you ever watched
@reality4saints okay bro😂it's not that deep, it's just a cartoon
You know you're a real Naruto fan when you actually pay attention to small details and hints in the series instead of saying, *"This is lazy writing"*
I always knew the Naruto series was alot better than what people gave it credit for
Shino in part 1 was so OP he couldnt go on the sasuke retrieval mission
basically
Ngl I actually agree with a lot of points made here if you look at part 1 you'll realize how small scale the world is considering back then orichimaru was viewed as unstoppable and the mastermind but enter akatsuki and more villages now we truly see how big scale the world.
Also i don't think Kishimoto ever intended for characters like Lee and Neji to get popular so hence the backlash for them being "wasted" I DO think Kishimoto intended for the two main rookies outside of team 7 to be Shikamaru and Hinata considering Shikamaru was the one to become chunnin before everyone else as well as getting his arc as MC in shippuden and Hinata is well the love interest.
Also I think Ino is actually one of the more useful konoha rookies maybe not combat wise but support and communication wise she helps greatly in the war and now for the village.
As for the others thats just typical shonen where they suffer that shonen side character effect like the human z fighters hell Kiba was definitely inspired by Yamcha 😂
lol at that Kiba being Yamaha comment!
But yeah, I agree. Shikamaru was always poised to have a more important role than the rest of the rookies, and Hinata clearly being the MC's love interest.
i know boruto isn’t talked about a lot on this channel but ino and shikimaru are pretty relevant all things considered with ino managing the barrier and communication and shikimaru becoming hokage
yeah that's true, even in Part 1 & Shippuden, team 10 was always the most relevant after team 7
Six had made the point that Naruto is already 700 chapters long. Having Kishimoto add more chapters to focus on the side characters would’ve just made the manga even longer, which is a turn off for many people. Just look at One Piece and how many people don’t wanna give it a shot purely because it’s so long
yes I agree, Kishimoto had too many characters to cover & he had to prioritize
Coulda been something as small as replacing sai with any other of the konoha 9.
Coulda brought one of them on a mission or something they didn’t need chapters
Yes but unlike naruto, one piece everything could be a foreshadow into the story and every character matters
@@sephirotten2413and that’s why it’s dragged out. Not every character needs an arc. The konoha 11 all had their time to shine in part 1 and most of their character arcs concluded in part 1. Shippuden introduced new characters. Only thing you could argue about the konoha 11 is that they should’ve had more screentime but most of them didn’t need more characters arcs or moments
@@JuubiTazget to the point if you're going to criticize something at least be good at it shit we already know kishimoto's writing
That attamept to confront Sasuke wth Lee, Kiba and Sai was more interesting than Sakura crying and getting saved AGAIN, to see how far they got compared to Sasuke.
that would've been interesting to see, I think Sasuke would murk them until he goes blind
@JuubiTaz even though they would likely lose but at the same time Sasuke just fought Danzo so he is at his limits, they stand a chance until Tobi inteteferesbut Kishinoto wanted this to be about Team 7, which is boring
Great video as always dude
One aspect why i think they never got to any type of high level in anything is that they just stuck to their clan's jutsus, for example, Shikamaru isn't really fit for this conversation because he went on to become a politician pretty much, but a guy like Shino, if he learned other things besides his bug jutsus, he could've went on to be a pretty decent shinobi, i know it's so everyone is unique but you gotta ask yourself at a point, if i am so weak, why not try to diversify my arsenal?
nah fr they were doomed from the beginning
that's true, but I also dont think they had the stronger motivations/drivers for power that Naruto (bringing Sasuke back, tackling hatred) & Sasuke (avenging his clan/brother) had. Even Sakura had a stronger drive (to catch up to Naruto/Sasuke)
@@JuubiTaz exactly
They got wasted but tons of other characters did get love. Many anime don’t expand on other characters the way Naruto does. Look at the Akatsuki, other villages, Kages, Uchiha, villains, and reanimations.
yeah true, the Rookies are kinda like the Z fighters
They had enough screen time in the fillers
I honestly agree that some of the side characters should've had some more screetime. I'm not saying they needed central chapters, cuz the manga is already 700 chapters long, so no need for more. But they could have been included in some of the stories, like how Team Gai was in the Gaara Rescue arc, or how Team Asuma got the central role in the Akatsuki Supression arc. Team Kurunei could have been part of a major story arc, rather then just be part of a search team during the Itachi Search arc. Plus I'd have loved to see the dynamic between Hinata and Naruto play out a bit more. Not to mention the rivalry-like friendship between Naruto and Kiba. Heck, most of Shippuden, Kurenei was on maternal leave so Kiba, Hinata and Shino barely got to do anything.
I'm just saying they could have involved the other characters a bit more in the story. I loved the Sasuke Retrieval arc because it showcased more of Choji and Kiba who previously hadn't done much, Choji was mostly just a joke character, and Kiba was just an obstacle for Naruto to overcome. I'd have loved for more arcs like that in Shippuden.
That's kinda what the filler is for.
@@JuubiTaz Sure, but I'd prefer them being official episodes, that actually played a part in the story.
1:11 Rin holding adult Obito really doesn’t sit right with me.
lol
Especially with that pose, disturbing. Is that a canon image or fan made?
@@talesthesalesman3106 Fan made obviously😭
Wouldn't say kiba not being able to break a rashomon gate is that much of an anti feat. Three of those things can redirect the force of a four tails bijuu bomb
idk if they were able to redirect it. The Gates were obliterated on contact
@JuubiTaz they kept oruchmaru from dying, which he said he would if that hit him. That's redirection if I've ever seen it
Love your videos man!
One thing I would change about naruto is make the Konoha 11 feel more like a cohesive unit.
And probobly give Sauske more of a dynamic with the rest of them
I agree with everything, but I still think neji should have been stronger and got a shippuden death fight
yes I completely agree!
Good video one of the the problem with naruto is that kishimoto doesn't do anything with his side character rock lee and neji are example of wasted potential
@@dytgyfgyffuh243”doesn’t do anything with his side characters” is false. They all had their moments in part 1, the konoha 11 don’t need more character arcs. Nejis arc concluded in part 1 when Naruto proved him wrong and when he learned the truth about his clan. Lee is a tragic story bc hard work only beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard. And as we see, a lot of talented characters started training and working hard so Lee was surpassed.
Shippuden introduced so many new characters to say kishi doesn’t do anything with them just bc the konoha 11 don’t have as much screentime is false.
Good ol TuubiJaz
Yo whats that sasuke theme remix at the beginning of the video👀
*watching this made me realize there was major misunderstanding in the fandom about this topic (at very least that's how i interpret this situation)*
the confusion between character plot relevance and character (power) development
for me, I don't really care that much that they're weak but i care more about their contribution to the story ... basically screentime
even though they're side character but they're also established earlier as important side character to the mc
like you said you don't have to be strongest to contribute to the story which is i totally agree 💯
i just want they to play more role in contribution to the mc and plot in EACH ARC
you can develop the side character without making them powercreep by mc
example; team 8 is supposed to be intel gathering expert right ? i wish they can do just that more consistently to help driven the plot like any well written side character supposed to be ... you got what i mean right ?
700 chapter is long but at the same time it feels short because to me kishimoto didn't utilize the story writing very efficiently
i feel like i can write more but clearly english isn't my strongest attributes, i hope you can read and understand my point here and give me your thoughts on this very short essay i write here
i love your video and here a bit gift from me ❤
Yea no Im with you. I do think they could've been given more relevance to the plot even without making it to the power creep.
The problem is that, as the series progressed, the stronger characters became more relevant to the story. That's due to all the chaotic events, and the introduction of strong S-ranked characters, and even the war.
The rookies still had some moments of relevance. Ino for example played an important role in the war, and like u said, team 8 helped track Sasuke on 2 separate occasions. Ofc as Naruto advanced, his sensory skills became the best.
Honestly, I think that's what the filler/movies (even rock lee & ninja pals) are for, they give the rookies a lot more screen time & side stories. Ofc its not as important as the canon, but you needed to be a lot stronger to be more relevant in the later stages of Naruto.
Anyways, im glad you enjoyed the video & I really appreciate your gift bro. Make sure to check out more of my videos if you liked this one.
W reading comprehension people saw chunin exams and thought everyone would stay together in power/impact
Naruto fans complaining about not seeing enough of the side characters yet ignore the filler 🗿🗿🤦🏿♂️😊
lmao I swear its absurd
Okay, I know I'm going to sound a bit miserable, but the problem with the Rookies isn't that they were wasted, but seeing how you say it, rather the vast majority of them no longer had any changes in Part 2, not only in power scale, that their abilities for Part 2 are already very meh but also in Story since they weren't very interesting in that aspect either, or in some cases they had already fulfilled their purpose in the Work but Kishimoto made the worst mistake by saving their lives when their deaths were good endings like Lee, Chōji, Neji... with Lee in his fight against Gaara, and Chōji and Neji against the sound ninjas. So I feel that Kishi should have killed the vast majority of the Rookies before entering Part 1, and that only a few remained, besides Team 7, the others who should have survived are Shikamaru, Hinata and... I think Ino, of the rest and sorry for sounding quite cold but they should have died, that way nobody would feel so much about the waste of most of them fulfilling their roles well, and seeing that most of them were not in Kishi's plans would have been perfect, to sit down more quickly in the things of Part 2.
By the way, if you ask me what if that happened and how I would have made a leading group that was quite wide, well simple the Jinchūriki that they fulfilled that function and even much better than All the Rookies, that simple and even more so that they fit better with the messages and ideas of Part 2 and in general what Naruto means as a Work.
Basically the same as in Jojo's, changing the Leading Group every time there is a new part.
Song link at the beginning?
it's Sasuke's theme version 2
I've always wondered wat did naruto actually learned in his 3 years of training???? cuz all i saw was him just learning the giant rasengan & learning how to break out of genjutsu wat else did jiraya teach him
they also tried to train how to master the Fox's powers, but Naruto just wasnt ready for that.
@ instead of the 9 tails power jiraya should have taught naruto sage mode
Could have had the potential to rival the strongest in dragon ball
you're referencing sakura at her earlier shippuden state. sakura by war arc and beyond could compete with a few of the Akatsuki outside of pain, itachi, may kisame. Everyone else she could fight toe to toe
I enjoyed the video and no disrespect to you bro, but Guy's team is NOT a part of the Rookie Nine. Neji, Lee and Tenten graduated from the academy one year before others so they are no longer considered rookies at the start of the series. Guy held his team back for a year so they could hone their skills before entering the Chunin exams. The Rookie Nine are the genin from Teams 7, 8 & 10.
nah ur right dude, I may have been using the term 'rookies' sparingly. I just meant the other 3 man Konoha teams
What happened to team 9😅
Bleach: unnecessary screen time and fights for side characters
One piece : enough attention
Naruto : who?
@@jaybronx98 bro chill😂😂i was just try to make a meme
Dygoknights Naruto/Shippuden rewrite honestly made me hate the abuse Kishimoto has done against his own characters. Dygo managed to write and build up supporting characters like the Konoha 11, Anko, Team Hebi, etc. Not only that, he managed to build alot of them up with good powerscaling to where they can fight strong opponents without ass pulls
Peak rewrite honestly
Yeah i am waiting for him to finish it so i can watch it in it's entirety, if i watch parts at different times, it just gets confusing, the best rewriter in the naruto sphere, if you look at things like The Amagi, most of the things they do is cringe.
@@jiero3253 if you're looking for another good rewrite I recommend Polydueces's rewrite
i just want you to know naruto community hate Dygoknights tho
@@716_ハディくんTo put it simply... The guy is very conceited and is a serious troublemaker.