Kingslayer: how will Jaime's story end?
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- How did Jaime Lannister become the Kingslayer? How does Jaime’s character change? What’s his relationship with Brienne? What will happen with Jaime and Lady Stoneheart? Will Jaime die with Cersei? Is Jaime Azor Ahai?
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0:00 Jaime
2:14 Kingslayer
4:20 Judgement
7:11 Brienne
8:26 Changed
9:53 Goldenhand
12:28 Stoneheart
14:18 Cersei
15:45 Azor Ahai
16:50 Conclusion
Jaime has kind of forgot that he once sacrificed his honor to save 500,000 people.
1,000,000
EditsByErky it's 500k in the books, but aye it's 1 mill in the show. I'll give that to you EditsByErky first of your name.
@@mJC4698 It was 500k, I think, on the show, but now King's Landing has a lot of refugees from the wars there too.
@@EditsByErky It's 500,000. Qyburn asks Jaime how many people he's saved. He replies half a million, the population of King's Landing.
If you tell a lie enough you start to believe it yourself 😔🙏
*Jaime kills Cersei. At that exact moment, Jon Snow arrives to the scene.*
*They stare at each other.*
-Jon: "Queenslayer!"
-Jaime: "Ah FFS!"
Don’t want to like the comment as it’s at 420 likes
Holy shit hahaha
sreckom92 What do you mean by FFS
@@garlandremingtoniii1338 "Ahh for fucks sake"
I laughed out loud.
Jaime is so kingslayer, that he tried to kill the king 8 Seasons before he became the king.
actually he tried to saved us
😆😆😆😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Bro you are everywhere
He was never the king lol
Turns out it was bricks all along.
Bro this was foreshadowed from the start.. they pushed bran out of a tower MADE of bricks, then died under bricks from a tower. Brilliant story telling.
@@jebes909090 dude that's insane that's not foreshadowing that's yust nuts
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 🤣🤣🤣
It was obviously Bran warging Arya using her faceless man training to disguise herself as bricks. How did you guys not catch that?
@@totesjokin5354 thats so deep!!
D&D watched this video and said “lol NOPE”
Sad its true
Utter hacks.
who's D&D ??
rizal kesatu Dumb and dumber
tbh technically, he led his sister to her death, taking her to a dead end so he did kill her in the end
ironic how Jaime felt he couldn't explain himself to Ned Stark - the one other person who understands how it is to throw honor away to save an innocent person
At that point of the story Ned was months away from the Tower of Joy event and probably didn't know what to expect. Maybe Ned would have been slower to judge Jaime, if he had known he would have to besmirch his own honor in the future.
@@mormontsraven4072 I never mentioned a specific point in the story, they do meet a few times within aGoT, years after both of those events happen
@@mormontsraven4072 it makes sense why jaime made fun of ned to catelyn
@@mormontsraven4072 Something's for sure, after 15 years he would've felt very differently about Jaime if he had known why he did it.
I think Ned also found him sitting on the throne. Kind of hard to explain his true intention while looking like a usurper.
I'll take "murdered by the writers" for 1000, Alex.
Expectations subverted.
What is rocks?
sign on my forehead that says "fanboy4life" for 1000, Alex.
Oooh. That comment won't land anymore
im dead lmfao
There’s actually foreshadowing in Shrek 3 for Jaime’s death. Charming stars in a play that mocks Shrek and a tower falls on top of him, foreshadowing Jaime’s death 12 years before season 8.
lmao genius
Oh wow
Oh god oh fuck!
Not just that, the foreshadowing was 4 years before season 1 was even aired. Truly visionary from D&D
Bravo Vince!
GoT has been trying to tell us how Jaime will die all along with subtle hints. Back is S1E1, Jaime pushes Bran out of a tower... what is that tower made out of? Yup... and that isn't the only time. I dare you to count how many times Jamie has been in a building and he is literally surrounded by his killer. Quite genius by D&D really.
lmao
This comment is a great example of when life hands you lemons
Holy shit! It all makes sense now, it was all right in front of us this whole time.
And same goes for Cersei! Dammit, so subtle!
@@gaspardp7314 lets put this one together. Cersie was told that she'd die to the valonqar. What else has an O in it? House! now we're getting somewhere. Tell me, what are houses made from?
Bingo.
The fact that Jaime is still completely fucking terrified of Aerys more than ten years after he killed him is one of my favourite parts of his character.
For some reason I read that as "Arya".
@@concept5631 SAME LMAO
How is he terrified of him? I never got that impression can you elaborate?
@@abdullahaltuwaijri8550 I kinda know what he means whenever he recounts the event he has the thousand yard stare, I always remember what he said to ned"burn them all"
Definitely. We forget how young Jaime was when he served Aerys. He was like 16 when he went through all that. It feels like reliving the moment transports him back to that state of mind
Okay so funny story
XD
Lmao
Hahaha
4 years later it still hurts
@@seamusshamrock89644 years and a day later, still hurts
To be fair to Ned for judging him, Jaime did decide to sit on the iron throne right after killing Aerys, which is how Ned found him. Probably not the best move.
I mean he just went threw a sacked kings landing, a very horrible sack of a city. Im sure if you saw a city being pillaged r*ped murdered and a hundred different atrocities by a bunch of blond hair pricks you'd be pretty piss if you saw him just sitting in the throne. He didn't even bother to defend Rhegars family
Looks sick though
We also can’t look at that moment in a vacuum. Ned had been fighting and travelling nonstop for weeks since the Trident all the way to King’s Landing trying to beat the Lannisters assuming they’re enemies.
Then he gets there and the Lannisters are sacking King’s Landing. Killing and raping the innocent. And then he gets to Aerys throne room the target of his vengeance and a Lannister is sitting on the throne. A not only that, a Lannister who was loyal to Aerys up until it stopped being worthwhile to be loyal (in Ned’s mind). Of course Ned would think Jamie was scum.
Then he should have declared him self king...?
It's funny how Robert, despite heating all the Lannister's actually has sympathy for Jamie saying "there's no other chair in that damn room" which we find out is actually the exact reason Jaime sat in the chair
Brienne and Jaime have one more thing in common - they were falsely judged by their peers - Jaime for Kingslayer, and Brienne for Renly's murder.
Technically he did kill the the king
Jaime wasn't falsely judged because it was his choice to never reveal the details of Aerys' death. The only evidence was that he killed the king he'd sworn his life to when it became obvious he was going to lose.
Jaime wasnt falsely judged. No one tried to prosecute him because of his reasons to kill the king. They despised because he killed the king,not caring about why he did it
@@niranjanrajesh1058 he could of done it any time but chose to do it when his father was among the people who would be effected
Aka both were labeled as kingslayers as renly was a king
the directors in season 8 really watched this video and said "how about bricks?'
Expectations subverted.
If I could erase Season 8 from existence, I would.
That picture from Shrek looks just like him lmao.
It's uncanny. Same haircut, same jawline. Somone just 3D printed Prince Charming but designed him to look real.
@Apathetic Apparition You mean Jaime and Prince Charming? They're not at all.
I love your name Bitchslapper316
He admits that he looked like Prince Charming from Shrek on the WIRED where he answered the web's most searched questions.
@lordodysseus6908 3d printed? Cgi is hard af you first need to draw the character in 2d then by hand model them in a 3d software, then texture it,add hair with a particle system or another method, rig the model then animate it. And finally post processing, colour correcting the footage then dub the voices. Go back to the animation and add clear visemes so it look like he is actually matched with the speech.😅please don't look down on all of the process
>urge to start reading books rises
People who’ve never read the books have no idea what they are missing out on in relation to that crap show
Why bother? They’re never going to be finished.
Lance leader Finished or not these books are so much better.
Jaime is a total different character in the books. He is amazing.
Cybermat47 I just started reading the books and they're so damn good
“I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act.”
- Jaime Lannister
what is the kindness he never did?
@@kushagraagrawal7292 same question. I think he might be referring to Tyrion
@@kushagraagrawal7292 He wasn't the one who put the toilet seat down, but he took credit for it.
@@kushagraagrawal7292 The kindness he never did was getting Tyrion a prostitute, Tysha.
Tyrion is so fucked up, that he loves his brother for that gift, even though it went the way it did. Probably cause no one else would have got him laid, I guess.
@@kushagraagrawal7292 He obeyed Tywin's command and told Tyrion Tysha was just a whore he paid to make Tyrion feel better about himself. He didn't, Tysha was just a random commoner who fell in love with Tyrion after they saved her.
"tO bE HoNesT i dIdNt CaRe aBoUt tHeM"
“InNOcEnT oR oThERwIsE”
@@harrycallisto4394 "WhAtS cHaRaCtEr ArC?
gReAt wRiTiNg
bRiCKs gO cRuSH
NiCe THrEaD
Nikolaj, Coster and Waldau did a perfect performance! What an amazing team work!
lol
To be honest, I had major problems telling the three of them apart...
Good job Nikolaj, Coster and Waldau. All three did a good. 😂
"All his cynicism, sarcasm, nihilism are defense mechanism to protect him from criticism." - I like this sentence's sound when you say it out loud to the crowd.
Bunch of isms
ya its like Slayer lyrics or something :P
Almost like a Slayer Rap
#Barz
Wow. That's a mouthful. 😂
The contrasts surrounding the women around Jaime are kind of interesting. For all Jaime's talents he's kind of submissive towards women and while Cersei drags him to darkness, Brienne turns him into a better man.
“Jaime learns from Brienne’s example”
Writers: lets subvert some expectations!
You can tell Martain writes like a “gardener” the whole series feels like it’s always just growing and growing, almost coming to this grand crescendo
Yet never finishing, because there's too many different plants that he's not sure how to harvest into one nice meal
D&D are the locusts
@@trafalgarlaw8373 fr like what is he going to do with Euron for exsmple what's the endgame there
As someone who hasn't read the books but still somewhat follows the lore, me thinks GRRM has written himself into a hole. The worldbuilding is on a scale in a league of its own. I think One Piece is comparable, Oda has been writing it nonstop for over 20 years. But the difference is Oda already knows how he wants to finish off the series and how to get there.
I find that many works of fiction run into this problem. They start off strong and give us amazing stories, but once it starts approaching the ending, it suddenly runs into problems. Wrapping up a story in a meaningful way seems to be one of a writer's greatest challenges.
@@JasonJia11how much odd knew about where he wanted to take the story beforehand is debatable.
I wish that GRRM would explore the fact that Jaime was protective of Daenerys's mom in the books, would add an interesting dynamic between them in the likely event that she returns to westeros.
And If G.R.R.M makes R + L = J Canon by the 2nd time in the books, imagine how would Jaime, feeling guilty for failing in protect Rhaenys and Aegon (and I believe that Young Griff is actually a Blackfyre), alongside with the entirety of Westeros, react after discovering that Rhaegar Targaryen, The Last Dragon and Lyanna Stark, The Maid-Wolf, the 2 people 100% directly and indirectly responsible for Robert's Rebellion, had a child?
@Bla Bla care to elaborate these implications? Very intriguing. Thank you!
@blabla187 wait what??? Elaborate
@@blabla187 I am sorry what, how rhaella targaryen is not dany's mother???!!! this thing is confirmed from the first book
@@hoesmad8445they’re referring to a theory that Danny is in fact the mummers dragon that we see referenced to in Clash of Kings. People with this interpretation tend to focus on the fact Qauith seems to declare to Danny “remember who you are” which they read as Danny mistaking her identity as a Targaryen. These people also tend to cite the lemon tree theory as implying the Danny isn’t really Danny.
Not a fan of this theory myself, I personally interpret Qauith’s words to mean the opposite, that Danny should embrace her identity as a Targaryen, as that is the conclusion we see her reach in the end of the books and the lemon tree theory has it’s own problems, that i don’t care to get into because it’s so long.
Briene brings out the man.
Cersei beings out the monster.
Pretty sure Jaime killing his innocent cousin to save himself had little to do with Cersei but mkay😒🙄 Sure he might have said he did it for her, but let’s be honest, the concept of freeing oneself from imprisonment has less to do with love than it does common sense. Jaime has got issues with or without Cersei
@@hawksasuke97 Wasn't it heavily implied if not outright stated in the books or show that he was desperate to get back to Cersei?
Joseph Bapeck Again I say, Cersei or not, what reason would Jaime have for *not* trying to get out??? Lol
@@hawksasuke97 Loool I mean it's implied if not outright stated the thought of Cersei is what pushes him over the edge to kill his cousin which he obviously didn't relish in. It was a desperate move. Cersei made him desperate but if he wasn't so desperate he could have figured out he wouldn't be able to escape just like that.
Like sometimes you have such bad luck you think, why fight it? Then youthink of someone you care about and suddenly you need to survive and fight no matter what.
Joseph Bapeck Ok but at the end of the day, this whole “Cersei *makes* him do these things” is utter bs. In fact, she scolds him for pushing Bran out the window because he’s just a child yet he doesn’t feel remorse for it anyway and just teases her for worrying. Jaime is not freaking mind controlled so stop blaming Cersei for his actions. He’s a grown ass man who *voluntarily* made the decision to kill his cousin and cripple a child. No one *forced* him to crap, so enough with the “Cersei made me do it excuse” just to justify making her seem worse than she actually is and Jaime some helpless, coerced victim🙄🙄😒😒
Why no mention of him turning his back on his sister already in the books? She writes to him to be her champion and he burns the letter at the Tully castle. He has already made his mind up and left her on her own.
"How will Jaime's story end?"
D&D: *giant fart noise
Jaime is the most interesting character in GoT. He's shifted from what looks like a chaotic evil character to more of a chaotic neutral character. He's been the character to really watch through the whole story. He has no magic, he's missing a hand, and he still manages to survive. Fascinating to watch.....
I wouldn't put him at chaotic evil at the beginning, he was lawful evil at worst.
You know you're right. Totally my bad. I meant lawful evil. Thanks for the correction :)
I got u fam ;)
He's someone who wishes he could be Lawful Good, I think - but realises such a thing is impractical and will just get you and your family killed. Most of his arrogance comes from trying to deflect the accusations and dishonour, and his violence is from his frustrations and anger at his ruined life. When they are both denied him after his maiming he has to come to terms with it, and seems very repentant at some of his actions (though not all).
andromidius Yeah, I always thought, Jaime wanted very much to be the good guy in the story. He's just failing so bad... Even when he himself thinks, he's on the right track (like not killing tully's), he's still technically on the wrong side and still evil in everybody elses eyes.
I really hope that in the books Jaime's story doesnt devolve back into loving Cersei again. I want hin to stay on his path to redemption. I know ASOIAF isnt really the happy ending type series, I at least want him to stay on his path and not run back to Cersei.
I got some bad news for you mate…
@@karlwittenburg5868 wait, has GRRM dropped some big news? I'd assume we're still decades/forever away from the final two books dropping.
He will definitely go back to her lovingly and then end up Killin her. The valonqar prophecy refers to younger brother of cersei which is actually jaime and not tyrion
Yeah, that's pissed me off. I wanted Brienne to be with....I can't remember his name. The red haired wildling.
Anyway, the way they had Jaime go back to Cersei was such an injustice.
I disagree. I think ASOIAF is a happy ending sort of series in the long run. I just think it will take a lot of bloodshed and characters having not-so-happy endings to get to that point. All of this sacrifice is for a reason. I truly believe that come the end of the series, the point will be that the sacrifice was all worth it for the better world that they've made. Also, the most likely option for Jaime imo is his redemption and subsequent death. That's not exactly a happy ending. A happy ending would be his redemption and survival, which I find highly unlikely. Imo no one will get a fully happy ending except for the people of Westeros and that will be your "happy" ending. But characters like Jon, Daenerys, Jaime, Tyrion, etc. will all likely end up either dead or traumatized by the events that have led up to the conclusion. My personal prediction is that Jon is Azor Ahai and will likely end up killing Daenerys in similar fashion to how the show did it and will be tormented by that for the rest of his life but will eventually defeat the white walkers and become King Jaehaerys III Targaryen.
What is character development
Chrisman Exist... Baby don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me, no more.
Character development is dead is what it is.
Chrisman Exist What d&d doesn’t know about.
Chrisman Exist sUbVeRtiNg eXpEcTaTiOnS
the development of a character. duh.
And he we are, after S8E5, putting everything on the trash.
Well just in the show where Jamie diverged a while ago
Jaime is like Steve from Stranger Things. At the end you don't understand how you could hate him at the beginning, you just love him so much.
Jonathan I watched stranger things with my friend and we ironically rooted for Steve from the beginning. It threw us for a loop when he actually became the best character.
Wow, I've never heard of anyone doing that :D I guess you two saw the good in him earlier than the rest.
It's because of the nice hair
At least the season 2 of GoT was good
Jaqen H'ghar A man has an opinion?😂
What an terrible ending to Cersei and Jaime... Killed by debris.. 🙄🙄
The series will end very shity
Dark -war consider yourself right
@@KerioFive i guess
Dark Wizard
It’s was one of the worst deaths in the entire series. I don’t even count euron, since he’s not a character but a walking shitty plot device
@dopey monk the cast was perfect, but the script is dumb
I'm watching this in 2020 pretending like S8 never happened 🥺
that's the only sane way to do it.
The author said that the book endings will be very different
Everyone knows Game of Thrones abruptly ended after Season 4. You must have been watching some Chinese bootleg knock-off. So don't worry, there's no Season 8 to concern yourself with. Everything's fine. Go back to sleep.
Seeing this, just makes me more disappointed with season 8 D:
Stop crying. It's not that bad.
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 they literally ruined 7 years of Jaime's character development...
@@abbiecampfield8955 + Well, that's what happens when you rush through the grand finale. What did you expect from 8 episodes?
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 true. I wish they made more episodes with shorter lengths, I feel like it would space the information out a bit and the character development would probably make more sense.
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 6.... Gosh I wish it was 8 some hope we might've had, instead of 15 minutes of Arya surviving things she's not supposed to and ride off a unicorn
Definitely my favourite Got/ASOIAF character and Nikolaj Coster Waldau does the character sooo much justice.
@son goku They never do
Jamie is the Zuko of GoT
u right
Damn good connection lol
He WAS the Zuko of GoT before episode 8x04 ruined it :(
@@haruko1501 I think he was lying to Brienne to protect her. He rode back to King's Landing after hearing what happened to Dany's dragon and fleet thinking he might have a chance at talking Cersei out of it, but he knows he might die trying. Maybe he thinks it's better if Brienne thought he was a bad person, his death will hurt her less
@@Rimmonin l o l
Your analyses cut deeper than Valyrian steel.
Yeah so he got killed by a rock
Jaime and cercei got casterlyrocked
@@theonlywalltostareat5808 this is 10× better than the original comment
Hey, it was bricks! And it was the ending everyone was hoping for for Jaime and Cersei
U r lil penis
Jaime and Brienne's relationship is probably one of my favourite relationships in fiction.
I like their relationship but not as a sexual or romantic one.
Same goes for Arya and Gendry. Many little details, hints, but never anything overt.
That lady stoneheart art is pretty cool n terrifying
Ertaç does amazing work, check him out: ertacaltinoz.deviantart.com/
Makes you shake your head at HBO for the missed opportunity they clearly had.
WadeLaxtonFilm I think they probably wanted to go for it, but budget limitations must have stopped them
But they are able to pay the actors millions for every episode.
+Captain Kirby They should of included her and other storylines in the show. If they did, they would have more content and seasons 7 and 8 wouldn't be shorter than 10 episodes each. How do you cut out one of the biggest plot twists out the story?
4:37 I have an idea: Maybe the reason why Ned resented Jaime wasn't because he broke his oath, but because he secretly wanted to kill the Mad King himself. I believe that when Ned entered the throneroom he wanted to kill the Mad King for murdering his father and older brother. But when he entered the throneroom and found the Mad King dead, he hated Jaime for taking his revenge away from him.
Fool Slayer naw, ned would kill the mad king for justice rather than revenge.
@@jtamiing559 Either way, he wanted to kill him.
I think it’s more likely Ned wanted Aerys to be put on trial for everything he’d done, to be judged by everyone.
@@awaywiththefaeries9464 yeah imagine Ned anticipating catching his father's and brother's killer, like he was right there, probably thinking about a big trial and maybe even serving justice himself with Ice, so righteous, so perfect, and then just finding Aerys dead, unceremoniously stabbed in the back.
Nah he was mad because Jaime was sitting in the throne waiting for him. You have to think that by the time that part was written Jaime was still a villian and wanted the throne for himself.
Wow all of this is really compelling, a character not based around magical adventures and defeating a great enemy but by defeating the grief and sorrow within to become a better person. A slower burn of a character that would have the ability to reflect back on himself and change how people see him through his virtues.
Well nevermind then.
He's the only character that has gone through such a big transformation towards a better path. Brienne also brings his best sides out! Can't wait to see what the last season holds for him! Great analysis btw, watching your videos is always great!
palemoonlight96 the last season probably won't do him justice. They only have 6 episodes. They'll probably have danerys or Jon give Jamie some scolding about how they can't trust him or some bs and then Jamie will do something to earn their trust back and then he will be a generic good guy. The last few seasons have erased all grey area for characters and are just portraying into a generic heroes and villain story.
@Sir John - last season has only has 6 episodes yes, but some of those episodes has movie long episodes, like 2 hrs or 1hr+, usually a movie is only 1hr.30mins - 3hrs. and a lot can happen in a movie.
Jamie and Sandor imo have gone through the most shit, Show sansa has too, but doesn't happen to her in the books
Looots 13 thats not confirmed and not true either. Everyone said the same thing about season 7 as well. We would get longer episodes. That didn't happen. The last 2 episode were longer than an hour sure. But all the rest were 50 minute episodes since you have like a 2 minute theme intro and credits. In total we got 7.33 normal GOT episodes. And there is nothing to suggest longer episodes unless HBO confirms it. By linger they probably mean like 5 extra minutes or something.
"Martin has constantly shown that he's lost interest in this series both show or book"
If that were the case he would just have written something random and be done with it. George is taking his time because he wants to write something good.
I wish if he survive the whole thing, that Jaime would revive the Lannister house but more in a noble image. Still smart and rich and strong but less Evil. Maybe by marrying Brienne and have big blond babies that would become great warriors.
There's a lot of foreshadowing of a marriage between Jaime and Brienne in some of Jaime's dreams in the books. It would also make sense for his arc for him to put to rest his dishounourable side and the woman who brings that out in him by choosing another woman who helped make him a better person, since that kind of inner conflict is what his character is all about.
B-b-but Brienne and Tormund
Tormund is too fun for Brienne! He just loves the idea of a big ol' lady he can't tame. He's too funny and wild for her rule keeping ways. The scene with him last night was the funniest moment of all the funny moments in GoT combined!
That would be a "happy ending", and there are no happy endings in this show!
Yeah so about this
I think Jaime also had a troubled relationship with his father giving how opposite they are in personality. Tywin is strict realist while Jaime is an impulsive idealist.
Crushed by rocks together with cersei
Yeah quite disappointing
@man0z LOL a wee bit of stabbing, yes.
it was a perfect death scene, at least for me. They loved each other. Cersi may have been bad, but not enough to burn down the whole city lol
@@dantea.2537 it was pitiful and at odds with the prophecy. She was supposed to have the life choked out of her after her tears dried up.
I suppose you could claim this is what happened but it's a cop out if you ask me.
I can't believe this is what Martin has planned.
@@Coalemos well, his books are different. only on book three as of now but I believe the tv scripters changed things around
@@dantea.2537 yeah, not really. The main plot threads from the books are all there except for Young Griff and the Dorne storyline. Well, there is a bastardisation of the Dorne plot. Sure, a few other things left out and a few other things added but they didn't stray too far from the books while they had them.
Lots of the main dialogue was basically lifted right out the books.
Season 5 is where it started to go downhill. Season 6 was bearable, Season 7 was a disaster and this season is just utterly pathetic. The writing is utterly risible.
It's ironic and brilliant writing on GRRM's part to start having a character so despised by readers in the beginning of the series, to transition into one so loved by readers by the time of book five.
I don't love Jamie, and I read the books. I don't think people should be loved simply because they lived an extremely privileged life and decided one day, only after tragedy struck them, to not be such assholes anymore.
Then you simply don't understand people. Have you ever been disillusioned with life itself? If not, you're the privileged one.
have you even watched the video stacey?...
@@ellea3344 I sense much hate in you
It's not the first time he did it. You'll see it in many of his novelas and especially in his first full-pledged novel, Dying of the Light. There are no evil or good characters in his writing as that is simply not his world view.
'He has no more patience for lies and schemes - which frustrates his lying, scheming family.' Beautiful :]
I had finished Storm of Swords and started Feast for Crows some time ago. I remember how surprised I was by the way Jamie's personality developed and improved. He really became honorable man. He called Brienne "wench", yes, and was awful to her, and than he changed. He later insisted on others to call her by her name and to respect her.
I actually started liking Jamie Lannister.
Great video, thank you!
yep Jaime one of best developer character in the series, also feast is amazing book
Jaime is a male Sansa in my mind. He's a boy who thought the songs were real and found out other wise.
Comparing jaime to sansa in any way is an insult. Sansa is the only stark i wish was murdered. At least in the show, she’s really dumb. Littlefinger was her plot armor
@@pecoliky8793 seriously could you imagine what arya would have said and done if she was in Sansas place, never would've folded as easily
@@Rikkiwentshoppin if arya was in sansa's place she would have gotten herself killed
Sansa is not the smartest at the start, but come on, she is a literal child. And unlike Arya she is very sheltered
@@Rikkiwentshoppin Arya could have killed Tywin and could have saved Rob, but instead she threw that opportunity to kill some unknown torturer. Stupid Arya
You are a genius. The way you analyse these characters is really thought-provoking and shines out George RR Martin's brilliant mind. "Jaime's real war is within his heart" Couldn't have put it better myself, what a brilliant television character. I didn't realise the full complexity of Martin's characters before watching your videos. Thank you
ShankShark ever watched Preston Jacobs ?
and now they got butchered by d&d
At least we still have the books
5:35 Beautiful rhymes.
It's like poetry it rhymes
like haterism.
But they're different types of ism's, not just descriptive or verbal. I didn't really notice the whole breadth of the alliteration until you pointed it out, it's quite nice.
Likism
Jamie is one of the best characters of all time. Not just in fantasy, in the books he is so real and you really get to understand where has come from and why he has lived his life the way he has.
Didn’t realize “murdered by little brother” translated to “crushed under a burning castle”
D&D made too much money to be that ignorant with the show.
Maegor's Holdfast is the little brother of Red Keep because it was build by Maegor the Cruel, a younger brother. It all makes sense and the signs were there for us all to see.
@@Popepaladin lmao
My favourite character arc, along with Zuko from The Last Airbender.
hell yeah
Does that make Brienne his Uncle Iroh? :D
@@anam00090 Hey, GoT was the incest show not Avatar
Yep. Redemption truly is fascinating
@@cholinegarcia2200 I rolled my eyes so hard, they almost fell out. Just because you want a character redeemed doesn't mean they deserve it, nor does it mean that a writer is obligated to provide that for you.
Wow that Prince Charming - Jaime Lannister familiarity is uncanny. o.O
Apparently even Nikolaj himself noticed the similarity sg.style.yahoo.com/blogs/singapore-showbiz/m-prince-charming-game-thrones-star-nikolaj-coster-122025492.html
Neshy you never noticed that?
Haven't seen either of the Shrek sequels i'm afraid to say, and i can't remember if he even was in the first one, so no i haven't noticed it... forgive my pop cultural ignorance. :P
It's actually kinda scary
Jaime gets a sword plunged into his stomach yet somehow manages to walk all the way to Cersei completely fine, then dies with her crushed by rocks.
I think Jaime will become the new Night King, 'cause why not? It would fit perfectly in with the other horrendous illogical writing.
Yeah, nOboDy wOuLd eXPeCt tHaT
Johnny N. A perfect subversion of our expectations. In the worst way possible!
While Jaime kinda forgot about red keeps bricks..
*Of ths show
There is no Night King in the books so no
I disagree that the war "all started with Jaime's incest and the crippling of Bran." The war started with the hiring of the Catspaw. Without that, the crippling of Bran would've been written off as the accident it appeared to be, and Ned's eureka moment about Cersei's children might've played out any number of ways.
Think about it. Jaime attacked Ned and his men because Catelyn took Tyrion hostage... because the uber-suspicious catspaw dagger led her to stupidly take really bad advice from Littlefinger (who sent the assassin in the first place). Without that, she wouldn't have "taken the dwarf" (or left Winterfell at all), Jaime wouldn't have retaliated, and the Mountain wouldn't have been ordered to start raiding towns and villages (which inspired Ned to send off more of his personal guard).
Littlefinger started the war. A massive revelation that was just glossed right over in the show, like a footnote.
zardox78 Except Littlefinger likely didn't hire the catspaw as he wasn't in Winterfell with Robert, if I remember correctly.
No, he hired the person (whoever it was) to travel north and find some idiot along the way to hire as an assassin, who would not think to question the motives for wanting a crippled child dead or the expensive nature of the blade he was given to do the job.
Its possible Littlefinger had a 'lieutenant' of sorts with vague orders of opportunity to cause chaos. He definitely supplied the blade, but couldn't have known about Bran's injury so quickly. So his henchman must have seen the chance to stoke the fire after Bran's fall to make sure that the finger was pointed at the Lannisters whether or not Bran woke up to talk about it.
andromidius Eh, word seems to travel fast where Littlefinger and Varys are concerned. It's established (in the show, anyway) that it takes a month for Robert's large entourage to travel from KL to Winterfell. But a lone person on a horse could probably cross that distance in a fraction of that time, and news can travel even quicker (via raven).
Robert and Co. stayed in Winterfell for more than just a couple of days, ya know. You don't spend a month traveling to a place and then stay there for just a few days. They were there for weeks after Bran's "fall", and the Catspaw didn't pop up until several days after they left. There was ample time for Littlefinger to be directly involved.
Its confirmed in the books that it was Joffery who hired the assassin after hearing Robert say something like he hopes he dies better off dead than a cripple.
If there is anything I have learned from Game of Thrones it's that there are no heroes and villains. There are different points of view. No one is entirely bad or entirely good. It's not black and white only shades of grey.And that's what we all love about Game of Thrones.
And then there is Ramsay...
yeah, there's plenty of pure evil characters
Euron Greyjoy
Nonsense.
I feel bad for Ramsay .
It's kind of hard for me to judge Jamie too harshly for pushing Bran to his death.
I mean can you imagine what Robert would have done to him and Cersei? Let alone Cersei's children.
Remember, this is the guy who defended Tywin's slaughter of the entire royal family!
Well he could have resorted to bribing said child instead of trying to kill him. But yeah Robert would have killed Jaime, Cersei, the kids, maybe even Tyrion and Tywin. Robert is a violent obsessive drunkard after all.
@@spiritofarkham1235 You would have an easier time drinking from that cup than bribing a stark
@@keysersoze9651 I was just highlighting an alternative Jaime could have used. It was not meant to be taken as saying it would have worked. But most children are easily bribed. Jaime had no reason to asumme it wouldn't other then who Bran is. If a child was told that if they keep quiet Jaime would put in a good word for them with Barristan and Robert do you think most would deny the opportunity? Bran might but most would leap at the chance. Again it's more a he could have done it not that he should have.
Jamie is my favorite character in the series and his ark is so dynamic and beautiful. I'm so glad he's still with us and I hope there's a happy ending for him. He deserves it.
I am so sorry for you
My sweet summer child
This broke my fucking heart lol
Hehehe...you're in for a surprise then👍
@@addieix6340 oh I watched the episode the day it came out and I was so sad lmao
Jaime is GRRMs masterpiece. He is the poster boy for not judging a book by its cover. His done terrible things, but when you go fully into his history, it explains every decision he's ever made and you see that despite being deeply flawed, he's actually a good guy underneath. My favourite character for sure.
Jaime Lannister will go from Kingslayer to Night Kingslayer
Neanis Bran isn't the Night King, it's a bad theory.
Night King will go from Night King to King in the North
So they say...
Nah, they gave Jon all the props, ice and fire, dragons and direwolves, pussy licking abilities and magic cock....those screenwriters won't deny him the kill, I'm sure of it.
Maja Henriksen Hot Pie is getting that kill
So much potential thrown to the trash.
Explain
rajko15 all the books, all the actual depth to each character. They are just plain potatoes in the show.
I'm so, SO happy GRRM didn't go with his initial idea for Jaime. He's my favorite POV. I'm a sucker for bad boy redemption stories
All women are suckers for that all the time lol
Jaime is by far my favourite character
Best character + best channel = best video
So is mine.
+Cherie W Jaime has had the most character development. I used to hate him until mid season 3. I love his story of redemption afterwards.
I don't mean to argue, jaime is a well entertaining character, but he does screw his sister and don't forget he pushed bran hoping he would die. Also he attacked ned stark with the hope of killing him because his wife took tyrion captive. Kingsguard are supposed to put their names and house aside or did him stabbing king aerysII in the back make it ok to honor only certain oaths. I like the jaime character but he's far from my favorite. No beef here
+tulkas 42o You make valid points. Jaime is a bit of a hypocrite. Jon Snow and Tyrion are my favorites.
Once again impressed by the high quality!
Thanks Eirik!
Masonry - the natural enemy of the Lanister.
Have you met many stonemasons my lord?
Absolutely like his story was written by a clever quill --- then finnished in brown crayon.
His story is still left unwritten. D&D showed their true nature after they ran out of source material from the books
Another Cersei-Aerys parallel in the TV is when she chained Ellaria Sand in front of her dying daughter, the same way Aerys did for Rickard and Brandon.
Royraj Vichaidit i never noticed that until know!
Not really baring they were chained looking at each other.
Dude... Too much credit where it's not due.
Every time you substantiate these opinions with book quotes it makes the video better. You did an excellent job with this one. Probably my favorite video from you.
Thanks!
coming back now all that was thrown out the window
Just like Bran. #foreshadowing
7:00 Actually, in the show Jaime uses his left hand to push Bran, not his right hand. Yes, I'm a nitpicker.
I've never hated a character so much and then later loved a character as much as Jamie. The development of Jamie's character is one of the best things about Game of Thrones imo.
I find the Jaime/Brienne imagery and patterning wonderful. The bear and the maiden is the most obvious, but the Galladon myth with Brienne playing the mythical Galladon and Jaime the maiden would be an interesting topic to cover, especially considering how it fits into Martin's interest in beauty and the beast.
Great outline! My theory has always been that Jaime has been on an arc to redemption. If you picture Jaime and Cersei's story arcs as two circles connected but moving in opposite directions, then where they connect and complete the circles is where Jaime will have to kill her to complete his redemptive arc, because he will have arrived at redemption as she arrives at complete depravity.
"Jaime is a changed man."
D&D: Are your expectations subverted yet?
I will say, once again, that Azor Ahai is just a parody of the Hero's Jorney (Monomyth). Every character goes through it. They all lose someone loved one way or another, go through some tough moments and morality choices, they develope themselves as human beings and in the end they are born anew, like new human beings, transformed by their experiences. Azor Ahai isn't literally a mystical being with a sword that will save the world, Azor Ahai is everyone that manage to overcome difficulties in their lives and turn into better people. The Sword means strenght, the light is wisdom. It's literally being master of your own destiny.
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i agree i don't think George will go through with the Azhor Ahai prophecy!
Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory
I really like your comment, but we can't just get lost in all the symbolism. Somehow some shit is gonna get real; you have definitely cast doubts on one instantiation.
I think the much of all the characters left in the show are all Azor Ahai in their own respect. Take a look at all the characters that are left. Jon a bastard yet becomes lord commander and King in the North; Danny a female yet earned respect from the Dothraki, the most masculine group of warriors; Tyrion an imp yet becomes hand of the queen; Sansa, once a naive dud, now a wiser lady suited for command; Arya becomes an assassin; Bran becomes the Three Eyed Raven; Jaime, as explained in the video; Samwell’s less of a wuss; Jorah once traded slaves, now serves the breaker of chains.
"Over 5 books and 7 seasons he turns into someone much more complex than even the author imagined"
So true in such a horrible way
As bad as the entire last season was, I will never forgive how they completely negated Jamie's entire redemption arc within one episode for... well I'm still not sure what their motivation there was. At least that will never happen to Jamie in the books and he's actually on track with becoming Goldenhand the motherfuckin Just.
Character: Exists
Alt Shift X: Azor Ahai
Me: **sees title**
Me ( _appalled_ ): NO!
He was the villain at the start.
He has a redemption arc even.
Me (After video): Wow... Nevermind then
Elf Friend his actions were self preserving and reckless. In the books, Ned even isn’t sure what he would do if he were put in a similar position. GRRM’s point is that even heroes can have moments of weakness and do heinous things, unlike most fantasy stories. Tyrion has also done some very questionable things in the books.
Same reaction.
#me
Jamie is my favorite character while Jon is my most sympathizing and inspirational. And Tyrion always reminds me to not judge a book by its cover lol
same
it's a shame the series ruined one of the most interesting characters
It's hard to find screenwriters who have tried to sabotage a character's development as many times as with Jaime.
...some?
He would’ve been my #2 redeemed character under ZUKO if they went the other route of killing his sister.
They ruined every character.
I remember watching the first seasons after reading the books being hyped about Jamies arc, look what they did to my boy, GOLDENHAND THE JUST WILL ALWAYS LIVE ON!
In the books, when he thinks about being known as Goldenhand, that shit got me fucked up man. I love this character so much and it surprises me how much I want a fictional book character to be well.
A video about Theon would be awesome!
jus girl yeah i would love a video on theon/reek .
Theon and jaime are the most interesting characters in the saga
Probably the only character with a greater arc than Jaime.
I agree! If you think about it, Theon and Jaime have parallel storylines.
Theon is azor ahai reborn
How demoralising would it be for someone to meet their heroes and join their ranks then see their heroes not only turn a blind eye to evils done by a man they swear to protect but also get chastised by others for going against this way. I really feel more for Jaime than I thought.
Jaime's ending is utterly crushing.
5:45 I love how you synched the VO and the footage.
Jaime's 'redemption arc' makes him one of the most fascinating characters on television.
Whether or not he is or isn't a villain? I'm glad I have no idea. That's great writing.
Random fact, if you've watched Star Wars The Last Jedi, you'll notice in the first space battle, one of the first order officers is played by the same woman who plays Lysa Arryn (Catelyn Stark's sister). She has like one line but it was still a pretty cool cameo.
He was killed by some falling debris.
Chris MCMLXXXII bonked by a brick.
It all makes sense now, he tried to avoid casterly “rock”. Cuz he knew it would be the end og him😂😱😱😱
"If Jamie is to have a better future, he must face his past."
Well said!
The Lannisters are a very complex house. It's full of people I despised when I started the series. (except Tyrion. It is mandatory to love Tyrion.) Now it's full of people who I feel sorry for, and find to be very interesting. On rereading the earlier books, I can now see through Jaime's pain and attempts to cover up his anger at his nickname. I'm sure some part of him now even regrets deeply, for throwing bran out the window. Tywin has a massive chip on his shoulder because of his fool of a father. Unlike many other lords in Westeros, Tywin earned his reputation as well as his title for being a genius, and a cruel one at that. I like Tywin because unlike other Lannisters, he knows when to be cruel, and when to be smart. I have a lot of respect for those two. And Cersei... I have to at least find some sympathy for her since she was also dealt a bad hand with her marriage to Robert. He was a lazy drunken slob who never loved her, and he hit her on several occasions. It's when we face such cruelty that we learn to inflict it on others. It's only sad when I see what her anger and paranoia has done to her.
not really a cameo. she is an actor just doing her job
4:50 I love that both examples are from Jamie's perspective. Knowing what ned did with J, he probably would be able to understand better than anyone what sacrificing your honor to do the right thing feels like. But Jaime wouldn't know, and so wouldn't believe that reasoning with him would get him anywhere.
once every 6-9 months i binge alt shift x