The prologue of Clash shows Stannis having his typical frowning expression while Patchface does his dumb jester stuff. Everyone else is laughing and Stannis is just cold as ice. Stannis despises jesters and fools, but keeps him around because Shireen likes him.
I wish some Greyjoy’s go North and capture him for some reason, or one of the Queens men at Castle Black (at the walk there are around 50-100 of Stannis’ men, though they aren’t the best in his army) and kill him as a sacrifice or something
Yeah now that I think about it why does Stannis the Mannis allows him to be anywhere near Shireen? I get that her crazy mother and the religious arsonist aren't the best company for the princess but I don't see how being with a disturbingly looking, crazy and mad jester is any better?
Top TVGames Stuff to be fair, Dragonstone isn’t exactly a nice holiday destination: not many people live there, and none would live with a princess. If I were Stannis, I’d either get Edric Storm to stay with me before shit hit the fan, or sent her away to one of my rich banner men (Velaryon, Celtigar) while I was in K.L
"Come with me beneath the sea, away away away." He took the little princess by one hand and drew her from the room skipping - Sounds a lot like - "Ocean man, take me by the hand, lead me to the land that you understand "
Jaded Wonderland he’s not exactly the greatest parent. In the show, he brings his family on a military campaign and burns her, while in the much better books he makes her live on Dragonstone: a cold dreary island. His wife is a Florent and the Velaryon’s are his banner men. I don’t think he takes Shireen to K.L so why didn’t he send her to one of his banner men?
@@duckboiii4441 He lets his daughter live in her childhood home where she grew up, where he has people they know and trust to protect her, instead of sending her away to a unfamiliar place to be taken care of by people she doesn't know. Yeah, that's totally a sign of a shitty father
bighand69 just in the TV show, in the books he leaves his family at C.Black while he goes after the Bolton’s. I just used the burning as an example of why he isn’t the best parent
@@minecraftpro110 You are a damn fool if you still have high hopes for the series to be finished. GRRM actually said today that he is confident he will have Winds finished next year July (and otherwise people should luck him up)... but I don't trust him with that. He said the same shit many, many years ago. And even if we get Winds in the next ~2 years.... the series will at least need A Dream of Spring to be finished, if GRRM manages to get it all in 2 books. I dont have high hopes for A Dream.
I enjoy the interpretation that Patchface saw thousands of the dead wights on the ocean floor just sitting there waiting and lost his mind. It’s unlikely at this point, but still a chilling image of the dead emerging to invade from all sides of Westeros rather than just marching straight down south from the North.
Your 4 year old comment really took me on a mind bender! Just imagining the wall suddenly falling while dead people rise from the sea all over Westeros is a truly epic thought. Would be awesome reading all the POV characters reacting and dealing with it
As someone who used to enjoy writing, I can't imagine having the foresight to create such a well constructed and interconnected world the likes of which Martin has made.
@@toshiroyamada2443 the most, Tolkein made an entire lore to inspire his books and give them depth then wrote those 3 bricks while teaching at oxford and after ww1, hopefully martin'll be able to finish his own books.
I've always wondered if Patchface is partially intended to serve as a preview of how Euron's plan is going to backfire. He gained some powers through a mass sacrifice at sea, not dissimilar to what Euron is planning in the preview chapter. But Euron seems to think he will just gain these powers and become a god able to act on his existing ambitions. But maybe like Patchface (and similarly Beric and Lady Stoneheart), he is going to lose himself in the ritual and just become either a thrall of some higher power or a barely thinking force.
In Lovecraft, messing with the eldritch monster usually ends terribly for the person doing the messing. In Euron's case, he's probably going to take a good chunk of Oldtown down with him.
Yes! It is ASOIAF after all. Magic and gaining power is not free, as you probably know. Everything has a price, sometimes cruelly high. But let's consider whether the sacrifice of these priests of different religions, and above all their own brother and girl carrying Euron's child in her womb, is not this cruel price? Maybe Euron has the right knowledge and such a sacrifice will be enough to give him power and protect him from potential consequences? George, please give us Winds and Dream.
Nah, he is not so creepy in books imo, as spooky and broken and a sorta woebegone prophet nobody takes as such. Like ravens and hodor he makes a perfect X factor plot device.
@@davidryan7386 yeh but you don't hear Melisandre describing Hodor with blood around his mouth and surrounded by Stark skulls :) besides I don't know about the book but TV Hodor is so cute!
And Melisandre isn’t creepy herself lol? Not to mention her visions being so inaccurate so often. No, I’ve always seen Patchface as one of the “broken people/things”. The fact that he was so brilliantly talented before being drowned makes it extra sad. I definitely think it’s possible he has some form of greensight but because of his brokenness he’s dismissed.
I forgot just how dark the world of the books is. Everything is bleak and there are all of these different powerful forces in competition with each other and all of them are essentially terrifying Eldrige horrors (Rhllor, The Others, The Drowned God, the tree dude, etc.)
it's ironic because the world of the books is described as so much more colorful. People dying their hair so many different colors and clothing being so abstract
@@ModuliOfRiemannSurfaces plus whatever the fuck wounded Balerion the Black Dread when he was stolen by Aerea Targaryen. not to mention the fire wyrms with hands and faces that cook Aerea from the inside out??? there's also the Doom of Old Valyria, which has been theorized to be caused by the amount of dark magics used by the Valyrians, creating chimeric monsters and such. the above two creatures are even theorized to come from Old Valyria (a historic site of blood magic), and Euron Greyjoy being the only person to return alive from there and also expressing to gain godlike power via dark magic, it makes you wonder what primeval forces lurk in the more hidden parts of asoiaf's world, and how they might be influencing the story from so far away!
The idea about patchface biting people seemed to make sense, but it'd make more sense if a plague of grey scale was started by Patchface (or someone else) kissing Shireen's cheek. Since Patches had bloody lips in Mel's vision, and Garin is supposed to rise from the sea to spread greyscale with "a grey kiss." And there was even that part in ADWD where Selyse made sure to kiss Shireen on her non-grey cheek. P.S. Is it a coincidence that Asshai, home of the "fire god" is the city furthest to the East, and the Iron Islands, home of the "water god" is the furthest to the west?
Asshai is... something else it's connected to Necromancy and shadow magic and all types of weird stuff like blood mages and demons but it never gives me the same vibe as something Eldritch it's more... Gothic in nature which is a really interesting parallel.
Asshai is not the home of R'hllor. The entire city is built of creepy black stone and constantly in darkness. That never sounded like a home for a fire god.
Pretty sure the biggest temple of R'hllor is in Volantis, the religion being very popular in the free cities and Asshai is not home to any particular god that we know of. It's more like a dark, twisted hub for all kinds of strange sorcery. The reason Melisandre is associated with Asshai isn't her priesthood but the fact that she is also a shadowbinder who are said to be the most sinister of sorcerers in Asshai.
Also the Maesters with their Anti-Magic. I like it in other stories, magic is considered as this fantastic thing, it usually saves the day. But in ASOIAF, it's something dreadful.
It just hit me that when you were saying of Patchface and the sacrifice aspect of the men on the ships when he died being part of the offering that would work the magic that made Patchface what he is, that not only did shiploads of men die, but Steffon Baratheon who has "Kings Blood" dies as well. Big Juju dat!!!
Wow, This made me remember that DampHair is the only priest ever with a perfect record of reviving people with the kiss of life in the Iron Islands. (Feast for Crows - Chapter "The prophet") He has in fact powers but not as powerful as patchface for the quality of the sacrifice. It makes sense, if Aeron didn't had any power the ritual Euron is going to perform in Oldtown wouldn't work.
I was always sad Patchface never appeared in the series. He’s one of the eeriest parts of the whole novel series and he would’ve given people the chills. Such an underrated supporting character
True, the Faith of the Seven is probably the only religion in Westeros that is entirely bunk. All of the other ones have at least some sort of magic or telepathy or something going on behind the scenes, even if there aren't any actual gods involved.
Wangtorio Jackson I think about this a lot. I think maybe the seven are aspects of the only two God's, a dark and light one. they either worship one or the other or both God's. I also think that many of the characters have died and been resurrected; bran, Dany, aria, the hound, Davos and others have had near deaths experiences. Interesting stuff that makes the books great.
Wangtorio Jackson I don't think it is, in one of Catelyns chapters in ACoK, she prays in a sept for her children. She prays to the Warrior for Robb to win all his battles, he did. She prays to the Mother that Renly and Stannis don't battle eachother, they don't. She prays to the Smith that Bran will survive and be protected, Bran survives all the way from Winterfell to Beyond the Wall. She prays to the Maiden to preserve Arya and Sansas innocence and lend them her courage, innocence could mean their virginity.
It seems more and more obvious that "A Song of Ice and Fire" doesn't stand for the meeting of Jon and Daenerys, and even less for the conflit between North and South, but rather for the song (songs used to be poems which narrated gods' and heroes' adventures) describing the Lovecraftian epic battle between the Death God and the Light God and their respective champions.
how does the drowned god, the old gods, maybe the seven gods, and maybe the gods of Valyria come to play? I think there is not just two sides to the war of gods. maybe more. maybe the drowned god is an ally of the great other? this is really cool
Abraham Andika Satria In Zoroastrianism I believe there are two opposite forces that are manifested in many different deities/spirits aligned with either side of the dichotomy. This lines up with the idea of the Drowned God as a vassal of the Great Other, who in turn lines up closely to the syncretic religion of the death-centric Many-Faced God. The idea of the cult of the Many-Faced God being that across all religions, Death (see: the Great Other) is one true god worshipped by different names such as the Stranger, the Black Goat, etc
Brcause slavers are people who sell people for money and rapists, well, they rape. We can comprehend them and what they want and do. We have no concrete idea of what Patchface does or what he wants. We can only speculate, and doing so only takes us down some honestly cary paths
@@tazaycharla3426 Yeah. You can protect yourself from slavers and rapists by killing them. Pretty simple, even if scary. You can mentally prepare to deal with things you can understand. How the fu*ck are you supposed to defend against an insane zombie clown which apparently channels a drowned aquatic Eldritch god? Even if you kill yourself, that apparently just puts you in an afterlife under the sea where you'll be eaten by fish or something???
The seaweed is always greener In somebody else's lake You dream about going up there But that is a big mistake Just look at the world around you Right here on the ocean floor Such wonderful things surround you What more is you lookin' for? Under the sea Under the sea Darling it's better Down where it's wetter Take it from me Up on the shore they work all day Out in the sun they slave away While we devotin' Full time to floatin' Under the sea Down here all the fish is happy As off through the waves they roll The fish on the land ain't happy They sad 'cause they in their bowl But fish in the bowl is lucky They in for a worser fate One day when the boss get hungry Guess who's gon' be on the plate? Under the sea Under the sea Nobody beat us Fry us and eat us In fricassee We… oh oh I know I know
I wonder if there is a god for each season, the old gods for spring, R'hallor for Summer, drowned god for Autumn and The Night King for Winter. Would explain why the seasons length fluctuates wildly as their attributed to the strength of each seasons god.
Someone probably already commented this, but, in the very first chapter of the very first book. The epilogue of Game of Thrones. Ser Waymar Royce says "lets dance" to an other as he draw his sword, meaning lets fight - "The shadows come to dance my lord" good video ty bye
I think Patchface has greensight like Bran (and maybe Euron). Maybe his near drowning was some kind of triggering event like Bran falling out of the tower? Maybe he stayed in greensight too long while dead and "drowned", losing his sanity when he saw the future before returning to his body?
Interesting insight. Traumatic experiences can change people dramatically, sometimes. Though, Euron doesn’t have Greensight. He drinks ‘Shade of the Evening’ which can cause people to dream, hallucinate and see visions.
Yup, exactly. And oh I know Euron having greensight isn't really a thing officially. I'm referring to a fan theory where some people think he may be a former student of Bloodraven's. For example his "blood eye" may be a sign of greensight, as powerful greenseers were often reported to have red eyes. Then there's the fact that he's literally known as "crow's eye" and even his sigil features the imagery of the bloody eye and crows more heavily than his own family's iconography. He certainly seems to know a lot of things about magic and the impending apocalypse that would be strange even for a well-traveled pirate to know. Euron also talks about having dreams of jumping off a tower and flying and how he wanted to fly (sound familiar?) in the Forsaken chapter from WoW. It's pretty interesting if you look into it, though obviously nothing super solid yet evidence-wise.
What’s interesting about that is that Euron’s nicknamed the Crow’s Eye. He wears an eye patch with a red eye on it which, according to Theon, covers a black eye, his other eye is blue. His personal emblem has the red eye on a black field and a crown carried by crows. Through his consumption of Shade of the Evening, he’s perplexed by dreams. Bloodraven had red eyes, but lost one, he left that socket empty and uncovered. He has a blood red birthmark (patch) on the one side of his face, that’s reminiscent of a raven. BR was also the LC of the Night’s Watch, (the 13th LC declared himself King of the Watch) whom’s members are dubbed “crows” by the Wildlings. BR has the Greensight, the ability to Warg and was known to employ spies. It’s possible that Bloodraven has either employed Euron as a spy (via proxy) or has manipulated him through his drunken dreams. In light of reading the Forsaken chapter and just recently hearing a similar theory somewhere, I’m inclined to think that BR may have attempted to manipulated him, but Euron is insane and has a god complex, and therefor is neither a trustworthy ally, a reliable tool or predictable. And now Euron wants to bring all gods and mystics down or at least twist their followers into abandoning them for himself (Euron, the God).
Shireen inadvertently infecting others with grey scale after they think her disease is dormant could explain George R R Martin’s claim that there will be a huge twist coming involving a character that is dead in the show but not in the books. Just a thought...
Perhaps the Deep Ones were the original 'salt wives' of the Iron Isles and started their worshiping of the Drowned God. Over time, their relationship with the men of the Iron Isles ended and the men replaced the mermaids with women they took while raiding.
That’s pretty fucked to think about. The drowned gods taking the deep ones as sex slaves and than over generations becoming the slaves of the eldritch god that is the drowned god is terrifying.
If Shereen's grayscale wakes, it could lead to a plague in at the Wall. There are hundreds of thousands of people there, a lot of whom will likely leave now that Jon is dead and the Wildlings are out of control. Shereen might infect a Wildling and then go south with the Queen's men, continuing to spread it. Then there's JonCon in the Stormlands. He's a military commander who spends all his time around soldiers and servants and washerwomen. And if I remember correctly, the Tyrell army is coming to Storm's End. And the Dornish army will be headed north as well. And then there's the plague in Slaver's Bay. Winds of Winter has a lot more than winter and wind and battles. There might be 3 different plagues landing in Westeros. Covid was just a marketing campaign for Winds of Winter.
Excellent, not only Westeros has to deal with Mad Queen Cersei, Grand Northern Conspiracy and the Starks Restaurationists (and don't get me started about the Stark children's situation here), the Brotherhood Without Banners with Lady Stoneheart as leader planning a Red Wedding 2.0, the return of the Blackfyres and the coming of the 2nd Dance of the Dragons, Euron and his Eldritch Lovecraftian apocaliptic magic at Oldtown (and let's not talk about Sam, Gilly, Aemon Steelsong and Alleras), Jon Snow becoming a Otherized Wolf-Man post-resurrection and the New Long Night knocking the door, now they have to deal with a Greyscale plague as well?! What a horrible time to be alive!
I bet it's going to be the third option. Patchface is gonna die, and his death scene will be the tear jerker of the book(like Hold the door) yet at the same time serve as a catalyst to a disaster. If you'll find Stannis doing way too good at the beginning of TWOW, expect this to happen.
kindlin Not me, Although I certainly know what you mean, as upon my second listen, I always enjoyed the enthusiasm Dotrice read the line with but at first listen through it did become annoying the more he repeated it. And now for something completely different... Are you a Firestarter, a twisted Firestarter?
After a Google search, no, I've never played Witcher. Also, I've never listened to any book reading of any kind, professional or otherwise. If I did, it was my parents when I was very young. I love reading tho, my bookcase is ever-growing.
"the shadows come to dance, my lord, the shadows come to stay" always reminded me of how the dead come dancing in the tent when mirri maaz duur works her blood magic--- the shadows come to dance when she says the prayer, and once daenerys enters the tent, death comes to say (rhaego)
When I read the books years ago I always found Patchface to be the creepiest character. I thought I was the only one, but apparently not. Great video and I hope GRRM does use him in big ways in the story's future!
Patchface reminds me of the Greek mythological figure Cassandra, who was cursed by Apollo with the ability to see prophetic visions of the future that no one else would believe when she tried to warn them. I wonder if this was a deliberate allusion by GRRM.
I think GRRM has a lot more planned for Stannis. While he was destroyed in the show by poor writing and utter hate, I believe that there will be some kind of link in the future between himself, R’hollor, patchface, Jon, Melisandre, and the others. I personally would love to see Stannis succeed in the battle of winterfell and then help defend the attack from the others coming down from beyond the wall.
That is, if Jon survives in the books. It would be so like Martin to kill off Jon and replace him with some other character completely out of left field.
I’m almost convince that Stannis will be the one to defeat the others but will die in the process. The second Dance of the Dragons will be the big climax.
I've just started reading the GOT books. and I'm at book 3. After watching so many theories about what will happen next I just realised the magnitude of George R.R.Martin genius . In the beging I thought about the books as being a larger and more complex story about the song of ice and fire presented by the show( I watched it first ) , but after a while it hit me. This is not just a story , this is so much more . The books contain so many things far beyond what is presented in the show. Wow , this is amazing , and thinking about my journey to finish them , gives me goosebumbs . I've stepped into something so complex and misteryous , that makes my mind go wild . So many peoples that didn't read the books , are missing the story of they're life , and I've just stepped into it. Amazing and eye opening . I take a bowl and I pledge to this incredible story .
Patches' talk of "under the sea" could very well relate to Valyria - someone noted in a theory that nearly every single thing he said could be directly translated to be about Old Valyria - "The fish eat us" could be referring to dragons, or simply Valyria falling into the sea. "Under the sea, the birds have scales for feathers." - almost certainly referring to dragons. "The merwives wear nennymoans in their hair and weave gowns of silver seaweed." - "Nennymoan" could very well be a Sea Anenome, but it is also the name of a flower which is commonly purple in colour. This sounds like a reference to the silver hair and purple eyes of the Valyrians. "Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black." - The area around Valyria after the doom is known as the Smoking Sea. This sounds like an accurate description of that area. "Under the sea the mermen feast on starfish soup, and all the serving men are crabs." - one of the old houses of Valyria who served the Targaryens were the Celtigars - whose sigil is a crab. The starfish could be referring to the star of the Andals, who Valyria conquered in Essos and drove to Westeros. "Under the sea no one wears hats" - Could be referring to crowns - In Valyria, there were no kings. Perhaps the weirdest one was "Under the sea, you fall up". OK Tinfoil time - When I thought about this I think it has WAY more significance than we realise - he could very well be referring to resurrection magic, and the biggest mystery in ASOIAF is what actually caused the Doom of Valyria. If the Valyrians found the secret of resurrection and abused it, that could account for the Doom. We know that magic in this world has a price, and blood magic has the highest price. If the Doom was caused by this, then the resurgence of resurrection magic in Westeros could be cataclysmic.
Nah, the doom was caused by volcanic eruption as the relentless digging underneath its land eventually cuased ruptures in the underground lava pools which in turn caused a huge volcanic quake. The abuse of magic might have dulled them into thinking the city would be eternally invincible though, as prophecies had been made about the doom. The Targaryens left precisely because one of their members had a prophetic dream about it and they tried to warn others, the Velaryons are one of those families who listened, and why they lived near Dragonstone and were closely tied to Targaryens.
Great video as always. Hopefully Patchface just wants to go to Hardhome to borrow the White Walkers' scuba equipment and take Shireen on a diving trip.
U know ur baked when you thought you read strongest GoT character, was waiting for him to explain how he was so strong, then reread the title at the end of the video. Oh well I still enjoyed it.
@@Invincible-Under-the-Sun Filthy casual here but is getting more and more fascinated. I'd be thankful if you could give a brief break-down as to how the Drowned God is real in the books. I'll dance at your wedding.
@@mrtrench538 How is he real? Well for starters Patchface has predicted a lot of major events,and has also talked about the under the sea world. Then we got Euron talking about him becoming a under water God and it's been implied by red priest that euron is Daenerys biggest threat. Then there's the tradition of drowning people in the iron island and being reborn as a new person with a different appearance but same thoughts. The list goes on.
Probably never will read it... GRR Martin is making more money off the show than the actual books... he is basics letting HBO kill a deep and beautiful series with mainstream horseshit and appeasement for the zombified masses in pop culture
Lmfao he aint finished writing? My god thats too funny and sad at the same time, aint no way hes gonna finish it after getting paid... Lololololol gonna be soooo many pissed ppl, only person to capture me and disappoint me at the same time i love it xD
I remember reading “Dragons of Ice and Fire”, a damn good AU fanfic that made some of its own predictions of what “Winds of Winter” could bring. It mentioned that with all of the chaos spreading in Westeros, what we are likely to see is instead of the War of the Five Kings, it would be the War of the Five Monsters: The Others on the North The Drowned God of the Ironborn The Red God with Stannis The Dragons with Dany And likely the rise of the Mad Queen, Cersei
i wonder if they are all gonna have the undead champion thing as well. the others obviously have undead soldiers, the ironborn are drowned and brought back to life so you could consider them undead, obviously the red god resurrects people that he knows are important to the upcoming battle, and even cersi has an undead champion in the form of Robert Strong (who is very obviously a resurrected Gregor Clegane in the books). the only missing link is dany, so I'm wondering if she will get her own version of the undead champion trope everyother faction follows. it's also interesting to note that the seven don't seem to have a champion/prophet in the game currently, unless you count the high sparrow as such, and he's certainly not undead.
I forgot all about this guy. He annoyed me to no end when I was reading the books. Now I see that, as always, Martin had a deeper meaning to the character. Thanks Alt Shift X! Insightful as always!
Also the name Shireen is very similar with the word Siren, the mythological creatures that enchanted sailors with their songs. Show Shireen likes singing (I can;t remember if she also likes it in the books) and Patchface is also related with singing. A bit far fetched but still :P
The drowned god, Patchface, and Damphair all make for some of the most somber and terrifying characters I know of, and they are just chilling in the background of a huge and wonderful world, GoT is so good damn.
When Shireen is burnt it will release the grey plague. That is my prediction. Burning greyscale, dormant or not, creates a fuming gas and smoke that spreads the deadly grey plague. That is why in the past they had all people with greyscale exiled to somewhere isolated and distant instead of just burning them. That was an effort to prevent the deadlier grey plague. So Melisandre will awaken a stone dragon, a misinterpretation of dragon actually meaning a weapon of mass destruction. And the stone part had to do with the appearance of grey scale looking like a person made of rock.
i know this comment is 3 years old but holy shit you just made the stone dragon metaphor click for me with this one. if this is how shit goes down in the next book id be very pleased
@sglauney oh my, thank you! I also have a theory Grey plague could be released from the kings landing area from Jon Connington and Fake Aegon, causing wildfyre to explode while invading kings landing. So Grey plague could be spreading all over westeros as the long night comes.
That commonality between all the gods was always really interesting to me, that they all have the resurrected champions just under slightly different packaging, it's always seemed like Martin has magic be real but people just attribute it to gods I mean the line with patchface giving his seed is really similar to the nights king and his bride It is odd how much the wildlings distrust greyscale and the ominous visions around patchface are concerning
It’s just Stannis’ luck. In the book, his dad writes something like, “ maybe this new guy will even bring a smile to Stannis’ face”. What happens happens and now Stannis is yet to suffer another fool for the rest of his Life. Stannis Baratheon ≠ Jan Brady
the show is exactly just as much canon as the books for the simple fact that martin was a greedy son of a bitch and sold the rights to hbo, stop trying count everything the show has ever portrayed as fanfic
jupân gealat boss de boss Sansa never went back to winterfell to marry ramsey, catlin is still alive, robbs wife is still alive, elia and rhegars baby aegon is still alive, tyrion actually hates jamie now, jorah never got grayscale, half the characters from the bools dont exist in the show.
I think it's acceptable to consider both the books and tv show and their own respective stories. Both of them contain sub-plots or events that are unique to them alone, so I think it's fine to respect them equally.
@@hecht0520 and because of all that stuff the books got very convoluted in the 4th and 5th books and spent way too much time on characters no one cares about. Like Quentin Martell and young griff
Here's my theory, Patchface was blessed with ominscience by some divine being, and the sinking of the ship was his intentional sacrifice to that god, but the ship had so many people on it that it went to beyond a sacrifice and just a mass murder, so as a punishment, he could only convey his knowledge in the form of these rhymes.
You are most definitely the best youtuber that makes content about the ASOIF universe. Thank you for all your hard work at bringing us these detailed videos.
I always think that patchface didn't drown at all. I think some deepones found him and took him to some type of underwater cave or secluded island and abused him and drove him mad (as deep ones tend to do in H.P. Lovecraft fiction) and eventually he escaped but was broken forever. So I don't think he's a friend to the deep ones he probably hates them. That's just my head cannon though. Such a dark character.
Sunkyoship it was 3 days from when the ship went down to when he washed up on shore. That's enough time to be raped by a lovecraft fish monster (Or maybe they were saving him for food but he got away)
Shit like this is part of the reason I love the story. Patchface prophesied stuff in the first chapter of ACOK that wouldn’t happen until mid-ASOS and beyond. Like how far in advance had all this stuff been planned out? And likewise, if/when the story is eventually finished, how much stuff that seems innocuous now are we gonna be able to go back and say “oh shit that’s foreshadowing”
If the story of Durran Godsgrief and Elenei is true, then Shireen might already be descended from the Deep Ones. According to legend, Durran was the first Storm King and married Elenei, daughter of god of the sea and the Baratheon's claim descent from him through the female line.
At the end of the Lovecraft story Shadow Over Innsmouth, the protagonist discovers that he's descended from the Deep Ones, and goes to join them in the sea - could be a parallel there...
@Laurel: GRRM said he gave 3 spoilers to D&D for the show; Hodor's name origins was one, one more we haven't seen yet...and apparently, Shireen's burning was part of it. My guess is that the books will have it be for reasons surrounding the Deep Ones or Drowned God rather than Stannis being the Anti-Mannis and sacrificing her to make the snow melt.
No wonder George will never finish this, like how do you even give all this jibber jabber of jumbo shit a satisfying conclusion, i don't get how writers minds dont just fry.
How cool would have been that instead of the ending to Stannis' story, the burning of Shireen would have infected most of Stannis' men with greyscale, including Stannis himself, and his mad, rambling march towards certain death with his few remaining loyal men was quite literally a death march, penance for his sins?
I can't wait for the conclusion of the show...but I'm even MORE excited for the conclusions in the books tbh. Way more plot ends to tie up, way more potential options on how shit could go, and just way more shit to take into account
This video made me immediately think of Roy Doltrice' voice of Patchfaces 'I know! I know! Oh, Oh, Oh' - annoying and brilliant both at the same time :)
@Jason: I can't tell if you mean "bring back" as a joke on resurrection, or if you think Roy was fired, but in case it's the latter...Roy Dotrice died.
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Patchface being an avatar of the drownee god is such a wonderful idea. I love how alien this makes the characte. Berric loses himself slowly, Melisandre misinterprets but Patchface seems to be desperately to get some message through, but the damage done to his body is too severe or something. Dark stuff
"Oh, Shireen, you came at the perfect time. There's a fine stash of treasure right down that hole. I found it first, but... well, we're friends. So i'll split it with you! In any case, have a look, it'll shimmer you blind! Heh heh heh..."
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You had me at "Stannis' jester".
That would have been hilarious to see the guy whose job it is to make Stannis laugh.
The prologue of Clash shows Stannis having his typical frowning expression while Patchface does his dumb jester stuff. Everyone else is laughing and Stannis is just cold as ice. Stannis despises jesters and fools, but keeps him around because Shireen likes him.
Patchface really impressed pre-drowning, afterward he's just a loon.
Patchface is one of those characters left out or changed in an attempt to aim at more realism within the characters. Shame.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 he was supposed to teach Stannis how to laugh.
Imagine parents bringing someone to make you laugh but instead they die and give you even more trauma
Patchface's artwork is really disturbing. The empty eyes, the dried-up spit on the side of his mouth... Just makes him seem that much more inhuman.
After all this I wish he gets executes
I wish some Greyjoy’s go North and capture him for some reason, or one of the Queens men at Castle Black (at the walk there are around 50-100 of Stannis’ men, though they aren’t the best in his army) and kill him as a sacrifice or something
I got chills with him
Yeah now that I think about it why does Stannis the Mannis allows him to be anywhere near Shireen? I get that her crazy mother and the religious arsonist aren't the best company for the princess but I don't see how being with a disturbingly looking, crazy and mad jester is any better?
Top TVGames Stuff to be fair, Dragonstone isn’t exactly a nice holiday destination: not many people live there, and none would live with a princess. If I were Stannis, I’d either get Edric Storm to stay with me before shit hit the fan, or sent her away to one of my rich banner men (Velaryon, Celtigar) while I was in K.L
"Come with me beneath the sea, away away away." He took the little princess by one hand and drew her from the room skipping
- Sounds a lot like - "Ocean man, take me by the hand, lead me to the land that you understand "
I died😂
Tuuune
Yes fuck
Night king= spongebob confirmed
🎶Everything’s better down where it’s wetter take it from me🎶
I really love how Melisandre is scared of Patchface and Stannis is like, "eh, he can hang out alone with my daughter. No big deal."
Jaded Wonderland he’s not exactly the greatest parent. In the show, he brings his family on a military campaign and burns her, while in the much better books he makes her live on Dragonstone: a cold dreary island. His wife is a Florent and the Velaryon’s are his banner men. I don’t think he takes Shireen to K.L so why didn’t he send her to one of his banner men?
@@duckboiii4441 He lets his daughter live in her childhood home where she grew up, where he has people they know and trust to protect her, instead of sending her away to a unfamiliar place to be taken care of by people she doesn't know.
Yeah, that's totally a sign of a shitty father
@@jonttopia And Dragonstone is in the Crownlands, someone can give her to Cersei or with the gods now who.
@@duckboiii4441
Did he actually burn her in the book or is that just the TV show?
bighand69 just in the TV show, in the books he leaves his family at C.Black while he goes after the Bolton’s. I just used the burning as an example of why he isn’t the best parent
Fire god : skilled righteous warrior
The Great Other : scary ice zombies
Drowned God : fat clown boiii
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defentily pachtface
At least he is not played by John Leguizamo...
A lot better than tree man so there's that.
Christian Holzschuh what was wrong with John Lequizamo as Clown
Goddamn the Books are so much more intense than the show. I love it.
When the new book comes out I kinda wanna start reading them
@@minecraftpro110 When? Don't you mean IF
@@fatearcher Don't you dare!
I was about to say this. So true!
@@minecraftpro110 You are a damn fool if you still have high hopes for the series to be finished. GRRM actually said today that he is confident he will have Winds finished next year July (and otherwise people should luck him up)... but I don't trust him with that. He said the same shit many, many years ago.
And even if we get Winds in the next ~2 years.... the series will at least need A Dream of Spring to be finished, if GRRM manages to get it all in 2 books. I dont have high hopes for A Dream.
I enjoy the interpretation that Patchface saw thousands of the dead wights on the ocean floor just sitting there waiting and lost his mind. It’s unlikely at this point, but still a chilling image of the dead emerging to invade from all sides of Westeros rather than just marching straight down south from the North.
It's interesting! Before Hardhomes they speak of "dead things under the sea" so you might be right
.... RIP GoT
Your 4 year old comment really took me on a mind bender! Just imagining the wall suddenly falling while dead people rise from the sea all over Westeros is a truly epic thought. Would be awesome reading all the POV characters reacting and dealing with it
Holy shit, this could be a badass epilogue/prologue for TWOW/ADOS!
@Johnny H. D&D has a multitude of water oriented undead
Season 8 would have made more sense if patch face assassinated the Night King and started riding dragons.
Best ending.
ahahahahahaha
"Who climbs a fookin dragon"
That show made me sad in the end. Not bc it was over. Bc they fu*ked it up so bad. So so bad. Bran as the king? Warged off his tits Bran? Ugh
Hmmmm, ice dragon....stone dragon. Hmmm.
As someone who used to enjoy writing, I can't imagine having the foresight to create such a well constructed and interconnected world the likes of which Martin has made.
His world building skills really are incredible.
Martin says he took heavy inspiration from the works of Tolkein. He was a brilliant writer too.
@@toshiroyamada2443 the most, Tolkein made an entire lore to inspire his books and give them depth then wrote those 3 bricks while teaching at oxford and after ww1, hopefully martin'll be able to finish his own books.
Let’s pray that we get an end to all these interconnected stories 😢
“used to”? what happened?
Shireen sings one of patchfaces songs during the credits of a season 3 episode.
Patrick Jones which one?
@@pantscatcher7547 It's Always Summer Under the Sea
Heard her actress is a singer.
I know ,I know oh oh oh!!!!!😂
@@TelAdare Sebastian from the little mermaid would have been so proud of patchface 😂🤣
I don't know man. It sounds to me like Patchface just saw the Little Mermaid and took it a bit too seriously.
Your clones are impressive
Hello there!
Tell that to Anakin with the kiddie jedis
@@BenDover-ch7rf general Kenobi
"Oh, but under the sea..."
I've always wondered if Patchface is partially intended to serve as a preview of how Euron's plan is going to backfire. He gained some powers through a mass sacrifice at sea, not dissimilar to what Euron is planning in the preview chapter. But Euron seems to think he will just gain these powers and become a god able to act on his existing ambitions. But maybe like Patchface (and similarly Beric and Lady Stoneheart), he is going to lose himself in the ritual and just become either a thrall of some higher power or a barely thinking force.
Probs
In Lovecraft, messing with the eldritch monster usually ends terribly for the person doing the messing. In Euron's case, he's probably going to take a good chunk of Oldtown down with him.
Yes! It is ASOIAF after all. Magic and gaining power is not free, as you probably know. Everything has a price, sometimes cruelly high. But let's consider whether the sacrifice of these priests of different religions, and above all their own brother and girl carrying Euron's child in her womb, is not this cruel price? Maybe Euron has the right knowledge and such a sacrifice will be enough to give him power and protect him from potential consequences? George, please give us Winds and Dream.
It's a awful pity patchface was not in the series he would added a creepy element to it
@DE VANOV there was a character that only said "hodor"
@DE VANOV but we never got patchface so you cant really know if it would have annoyed u?
@DE VANOV
It depends on how it is played. If he had a squeaky voice it would become annoying but a good voice and it could be cool.
@@davyk515 to be fair, Hodor is a very significant character
D&D prefered the porn of Littlefinger's brothels.
A guy Melisandre is afraid of is a guy you better not take lightly.
I've not read the books but this video makes Melisandre sound good in comparison
Nah, he is not so creepy in books imo, as spooky and broken and a sorta woebegone prophet nobody takes as such.
Like ravens and hodor he makes a perfect X factor plot device.
@@davidryan7386 yeh but you don't hear Melisandre describing Hodor with blood around his mouth and surrounded by Stark skulls :) besides I don't know about the book but TV Hodor is so cute!
And Melisandre isn’t creepy herself lol? Not to mention her visions being so inaccurate so often. No, I’ve always seen Patchface as one of the “broken people/things”. The fact that he was so brilliantly talented before being drowned makes it extra sad. I definitely think it’s possible he has some form of greensight but because of his brokenness he’s dismissed.
@@tzaph67 talent often is in those who are viewed as damaged by others
I forgot just how dark the world of the books is. Everything is bleak and there are all of these different powerful forces in competition with each other and all of them are essentially terrifying Eldrige horrors (Rhllor, The Others, The Drowned God, the tree dude, etc.)
it's ironic because the world of the books is described as so much more colorful. People dying their hair so many different colors and clothing being so abstract
Don’t forget whatever the fuck is going on with the oily black stone, Stygai, etc
@@ModuliOfRiemannSurfaces plus whatever the fuck wounded Balerion the Black Dread when he was stolen by Aerea Targaryen. not to mention the fire wyrms with hands and faces that cook Aerea from the inside out??? there's also the Doom of Old Valyria, which has been theorized to be caused by the amount of dark magics used by the Valyrians, creating chimeric monsters and such. the above two creatures are even theorized to come from Old Valyria (a historic site of blood magic), and Euron Greyjoy being the only person to return alive from there and also expressing to gain godlike power via dark magic, it makes you wonder what primeval forces lurk in the more hidden parts of asoiaf's world, and how they might be influencing the story from so far away!
The idea about patchface biting people seemed to make sense, but it'd make more sense if a plague of grey scale was started by Patchface (or someone else) kissing Shireen's cheek. Since Patches had bloody lips in Mel's vision, and Garin is supposed to rise from the sea to spread greyscale with "a grey kiss." And there was even that part in ADWD where Selyse made sure to kiss Shireen on her non-grey cheek.
P.S. Is it a coincidence that Asshai, home of the "fire god" is the city furthest to the East, and the Iron Islands, home of the "water god" is the furthest to the west?
Asshai is... something else it's connected to Necromancy and shadow magic and all types of weird stuff like blood mages and demons but it never gives me the same vibe as something Eldritch it's more... Gothic in nature which is a really interesting parallel.
Asshai is not the home of R'hllor. The entire city is built of creepy black stone and constantly in darkness. That never sounded like a home for a fire god.
Pretty sure the biggest temple of R'hllor is in Volantis, the religion being very popular in the free cities and Asshai is not home to any particular god that we know of. It's more like a dark, twisted hub for all kinds of strange sorcery.
The reason Melisandre is associated with Asshai isn't her priesthood but the fact that she is also a shadowbinder who are said to be the most sinister of sorcerers in Asshai.
@@Neo587shadow is described as the servant of light because shadow cannot exist without light, so Asshai being the fire god base made sense
See, Varys was right, don't trust anyone who uses magic.
Varys was right so many times!
Varys is antimage
Also the Maesters with their Anti-Magic. I like it in other stories, magic is considered as this fantastic thing, it usually saves the day. But in ASOIAF, it's something dreadful.
Yeah magic is fucked in ASOIAF. Really makes sense that the Maesters would wanna get rid of all of it.
@@ladyvader2648 what you talking about, pottah!?
I’ve only watched the show, but your videos about the more complete storylines found in the books show me I really need to read them
Yes :) you really should.
They're worth it.
You can find the ebooks for free on almost any good torrent site. Just googling a song of Ice and fire pdf/epub also works
@@akaaoife2312 that's stealing- good authors deserve payment for their work
@@celan4288 Good authors should finish their work.
It just hit me that when you were saying of Patchface and the sacrifice aspect of the men on the ships when he died being part of the offering that would work the magic that made Patchface what he is, that not only did shiploads of men die, but Steffon Baratheon who has "Kings Blood" dies as well. Big Juju dat!!!
Wow, This made me remember that DampHair is the only priest ever with a perfect record of reviving people with the kiss of life in the Iron Islands. (Feast for Crows - Chapter "The prophet")
He has in fact powers but not as powerful as patchface for the quality of the sacrifice. It makes sense, if Aeron didn't had any power the ritual Euron is going to perform in Oldtown wouldn't work.
@@camiloruizcastellar4740 Maybe his powers are repressed by his childhood abuse?
@@arraikcruor6407 Studies have shown that childhood trauma *can* fuck up a person's later abilities to perform advanced eldritch magic.
I can only imagine that our boy George R.R. Martin gets a huge kick out of watching your videos like this
KempQ He probably watches them and then goes "oh shit that's a great idea I should include that"
Thomas Bixler yeah because alt shift was making game of thrones videos even before the books!
Thomas Bixler he has said that he has seen ideas by fans and be like that’s better than my idea. But he doesn’t change his writing
Mr44andMore he actually said that he avoids fan theories because he doesn't want to be swayed
Martin did read some of the theories, one of them almost got it right about the ending?
Baratheons sigil Is just an ancient Ferrari
lmao, imagine a hip, red carriage with the Baratheon sigil, pushed by 2 pairs of the strongest dothraki stallions.
Actually thats the Volvo moose logo.
Lol I know I'm 7 months late with this but isn't the Lannister sigil just a fancy Peugeot then?
@@admontblanc Sounds like Wells Fargo to me.
I'm dying 😂😂😂
I was always sad Patchface never appeared in the series. He’s one of the eeriest parts of the whole novel series and he would’ve given people the chills. Such an underrated supporting character
5:37 "All the cool, hip gods have undead human champions." This may be my most favorite thing I've ever heard anyone say about Game of Thrones.
Wangtorio Jackson Ain’t it the truth, though? The Seven don’t have a champion whatsoever because, IMO, they’re just made up by the Andals
True, the Faith of the Seven is probably the only religion in Westeros that is entirely bunk. All of the other ones have at least some sort of magic or telepathy or something going on behind the scenes, even if there aren't any actual gods involved.
Wangtorio Jackson I think about this a lot. I think maybe the seven are aspects of the only two God's, a dark and light one. they either worship one or the other or both God's. I also think that many of the characters have died and been resurrected; bran, Dany, aria, the hound, Davos and others have had near deaths experiences. Interesting stuff that makes the books great.
Wangtorio Jackson I don't think it is, in one of Catelyns chapters in ACoK, she prays in a sept for her children. She prays to the Warrior for Robb to win all his battles, he did. She prays to the Mother that Renly and Stannis don't battle eachother, they don't. She prays to the Smith that Bran will survive and be protected, Bran survives all the way from Winterfell to Beyond the Wall. She prays to the Maiden to preserve Arya and Sansas innocence and lend them her courage, innocence could mean their virginity.
His comment on being a god's avatar made me rethink all those stories about Hindu gods.
I could write a book or several books about that.
It seems more and more obvious that "A Song of Ice and Fire" doesn't stand for the meeting of Jon and Daenerys, and even less for the conflit between North and South, but rather for the song (songs used to be poems which narrated gods' and heroes' adventures) describing the Lovecraftian epic battle between the Death God and the Light God and their respective champions.
Inspired by: Zoroastrianism.
R'holor = Ahura Mazda
The Other = Angra Mainyu
how does the drowned god, the old gods, maybe the seven gods, and maybe the gods of Valyria come to play? I think there is not just two sides to the war of gods. maybe more. maybe the drowned god is an ally of the great other? this is really cool
Abraham Andika Satria In Zoroastrianism I believe there are two opposite forces that are manifested in many different deities/spirits aligned with either side of the dichotomy. This lines up with the idea of the Drowned God as a vassal of the Great Other, who in turn lines up closely to the syncretic religion of the death-centric Many-Faced God. The idea of the cult of the Many-Faced God being that across all religions, Death (see: the Great Other) is one true god worshipped by different names such as the Stranger, the Black Goat, etc
@@sihfbaozgfengieg it's like a God Mexican standoff with about 50 players and sub-players.
Yup, and I am at that point where I don't want the story to be about them. Familiarity breeds contempt, I've grown too familiar with the characters.
in a world where there tonnes of characters that are slavers and rapists
Patch face is the one character that freaks me the f**K out
Brcause slavers are people who sell people for money and rapists, well, they rape. We can comprehend them and what they want and do. We have no concrete idea of what Patchface does or what he wants. We can only speculate, and doing so only takes us down some honestly cary paths
@@tazaycharla3426 Yeah. You can protect yourself from slavers and rapists by killing them. Pretty simple, even if scary. You can mentally prepare to deal with things you can understand.
How the fu*ck are you supposed to defend against an insane zombie clown which apparently channels a drowned aquatic Eldritch god? Even if you kill yourself, that apparently just puts you in an afterlife under the sea where you'll be eaten by fish or something???
He is made of what nightmares are made of
Under the sea
Under the sea
Darling it's better
Down where it's wetter
Take it from me
I know, I know, oh, oh, oh
Jouni Lipponen hahahaha, damnit, now I'm going to hear Sebastian every time I read future Patchface bits or review the first five books.
The seaweed is always greener
In somebody else's lake
You dream about going up there
But that is a big mistake
Just look at the world around you
Right here on the ocean floor
Such wonderful things surround you
What more is you lookin' for?
Under the sea
Under the sea
Darling it's better
Down where it's wetter
Take it from me
Up on the shore they work all day
Out in the sun they slave away
While we devotin'
Full time to floatin'
Under the sea
Down here all the fish is happy
As off through the waves they roll
The fish on the land ain't happy
They sad 'cause they in their bowl
But fish in the bowl is lucky
They in for a worser fate
One day when the boss get hungry
Guess who's gon' be on the plate?
Under the sea
Under the sea
Nobody beat us
Fry us and eat us
In fricassee
We… oh oh I know I know
Wow, maybe sebastian was a disciple of the drowned god??!?
OCEAN MAN
TAKE ME BY THE HAND
LEAD ME TO THE LAND
THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
@@tulud I also have seen the halls of the Drowned God - - in scuba gear in the Red Sea.
I wonder if there is a god for each season, the old gods for spring, R'hallor for Summer, drowned god for Autumn and The Night King for Winter. Would explain why the seasons length fluctuates wildly as their attributed to the strength of each seasons god.
I love that interpretation kind of like how demeter and Persephone in Greek mythology are responsible for the season
"Like a bikini bottom Valhalla"
Alt shift X -2018
Troper H'ghar
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Quality content right there
The Ironborn die and end up working in the Krusty Krab
Someone probably already commented this, but, in the very first chapter of the very first book. The epilogue of Game of Thrones. Ser Waymar Royce says "lets dance" to an other as he draw his sword, meaning lets fight - "The shadows come to dance my lord"
good video ty bye
Thays awesome! Never caught that one, love it
Prologue not epilogue :P
But yeah, thats an awesome catch
holy shit. And I thought that is meant for Mel's shadow demon
CHADmar Royce, telling an other to fucking dance with him then. What a way to go
@@xDamage69 absolute Chad honestly
This is genuinely creepy, I love all these mysterious elements of Westeros.
I think Patchface has greensight like Bran (and maybe Euron). Maybe his near drowning was some kind of triggering event like Bran falling out of the tower? Maybe he stayed in greensight too long while dead and "drowned", losing his sanity when he saw the future before returning to his body?
NotYurAverageJoe great insight 👍🏼
Interesting insight. Traumatic experiences can change people dramatically, sometimes.
Though, Euron doesn’t have Greensight. He drinks ‘Shade of the Evening’ which can cause people to dream, hallucinate and see visions.
Yup, exactly. And oh I know Euron having greensight isn't really a thing officially. I'm referring to a fan theory where some people think he may be a former student of Bloodraven's. For example his "blood eye" may be a sign of greensight, as powerful greenseers were often reported to have red eyes. Then there's the fact that he's literally known as "crow's eye" and even his sigil features the imagery of the bloody eye and crows more heavily than his own family's iconography. He certainly seems to know a lot of things about magic and the impending apocalypse that would be strange even for a well-traveled pirate to know. Euron also talks about having dreams of jumping off a tower and flying and how he wanted to fly (sound familiar?) in the Forsaken chapter from WoW. It's pretty interesting if you look into it, though obviously nothing super solid yet evidence-wise.
What’s interesting about that is that Euron’s nicknamed the Crow’s Eye. He wears an eye patch with a red eye on it which, according to Theon, covers a black eye, his other eye is blue. His personal emblem has the red eye on a black field and a crown carried by crows. Through his consumption of Shade of the Evening, he’s perplexed by dreams.
Bloodraven had red eyes, but lost one, he left that socket empty and uncovered. He has a blood red birthmark (patch) on the one side of his face, that’s reminiscent of a raven. BR was also the LC of the Night’s Watch, (the 13th LC declared himself King of the Watch) whom’s members are dubbed “crows” by the Wildlings. BR has the Greensight, the ability to Warg and was known to employ spies.
It’s possible that Bloodraven has either employed Euron as a spy (via proxy) or has manipulated him through his drunken dreams.
In light of reading the Forsaken chapter and just recently hearing a similar theory somewhere, I’m inclined to think that BR may have attempted to manipulated him, but Euron is insane and has a god complex, and therefor is neither a trustworthy ally, a reliable tool or predictable. And now Euron wants to bring all gods and mystics down or at least twist their followers into abandoning them for himself (Euron, the God).
I like that theory. Bloodraven informs Bran that if he stays too long in the past (weirwood network) he will be "drowned" by it.
This better not be another trick. I'm still embarrassed after last week
Last week's video was beautiful. 😂
SERIOUSLY! That April Fool's joke had me going..... no lie!
Ohhh, I didn’t even watch it because I didn’t want spoilers 😂
I still have trust issues.
I totally got taken by it as well!! It was a good April Fool's joke!!
Shireen inadvertently infecting others with grey scale after they think her disease is dormant could explain George R R Martin’s claim that there will be a huge twist coming involving a character that is dead in the show but not in the books. Just a thought...
who do you have in mind ?
How horrible is it that the book hasn't released yet btw lol
I think thats jon connington
It’s too bad that Martin got rich and lazy because we’ll never know. He’s enjoying his recliner and pallet of hostess cakes.
Tbh if shireen begins to infect others with greyscale that's the one thing that could get stannis to burn her, destroying all the diseased out of duty
"Underwater the fish eats us"
"The afterlife is a feast under the sea"
The afterlife dosen't sounds fun
I didn't pick up on that, the feast is totally not for the people! Great point!
Holy shit
Does that sound like the behavior of a fish who has had "all he can eat?"
"Underwater, fish eats you!"
I didn't know Yakov was cast as Patchface, probably why he doesn't appear on screen
in soviet water valhallah, fish eat *you*
Perhaps the Deep Ones were the original 'salt wives' of the Iron Isles and started their worshiping of the Drowned God. Over time, their relationship with the men of the Iron Isles ended and the men replaced the mermaids with women they took while raiding.
That’s pretty fucked to think about. The drowned gods taking the deep ones as sex slaves and than over generations becoming the slaves of the eldritch god that is the drowned god is terrifying.
If Shereen's grayscale wakes, it could lead to a plague in at the Wall. There are hundreds of thousands of people there, a lot of whom will likely leave now that Jon is dead and the Wildlings are out of control. Shereen might infect a Wildling and then go south with the Queen's men, continuing to spread it. Then there's JonCon in the Stormlands. He's a military commander who spends all his time around soldiers and servants and washerwomen. And if I remember correctly, the Tyrell army is coming to Storm's End. And the Dornish army will be headed north as well. And then there's the plague in Slaver's Bay. Winds of Winter has a lot more than winter and wind and battles. There might be 3 different plagues landing in Westeros.
Covid was just a marketing campaign for Winds of Winter.
Excellent, not only Westeros has to deal with Mad Queen Cersei, Grand Northern Conspiracy and the Starks Restaurationists (and don't get me started about the Stark children's situation here), the Brotherhood Without Banners with Lady Stoneheart as leader planning a Red Wedding 2.0, the return of the Blackfyres and the coming of the 2nd Dance of the Dragons, Euron and his Eldritch Lovecraftian apocaliptic magic at Oldtown (and let's not talk about Sam, Gilly, Aemon Steelsong and Alleras), Jon Snow becoming a Otherized Wolf-Man post-resurrection and the New Long Night knocking the door, now they have to deal with a Greyscale plague as well?! What a horrible time to be alive!
That would all be amazing.....if George bothered to finish his own damn series.
@@PedroLucas-mg5je , yep.
@@PedroLucas-mg5jeThe 2nd Dance of Dragons will be insane if more of the lost dragon eggs hatch now that magic is back.
"He didn't find a wife but he did find a slave boy."
Uh oh
Finally! Thanks for covering Patchface, in my opinion he is the most interesting character cut from the show!
PatronofDeath You seem to be forgetting shitmouth
He's kind of like Peeves in Harry Potter in that way, in my opinion at least.
I bet it's going to be the third option. Patchface is gonna die, and his death scene will be the tear jerker of the book(like Hold the door) yet at the same time serve as a catalyst to a disaster.
If you'll find Stannis doing way too good at the beginning of TWOW, expect this to happen.
Nope that goes to the ghost of high heart!
You don't think that Catlyn Starks afterlife character (some call her Lady Stoneheart) is more interesting than Patchface?
Patchface and his relationship with Shireen always bothered me and I just became more and more horrified watching this.
"I know, I know, oh, oh, oh"
Lol. RIP Roy Dotrice. He always read that with such joy.
That phrase really got to me after a while. I'd almost cringe....
kindlin
Not me, Although I certainly know what you mean, as upon my second listen, I always enjoyed the enthusiasm Dotrice read the line with but at first listen through it did become annoying the more he repeated it.
And now for something completely different... Are you a Firestarter, a twisted Firestarter?
After a Google search, no, I've never played Witcher.
Also, I've never listened to any book reading of any kind, professional or otherwise. If I did, it was my parents when I was very young. I love reading tho, my bookcase is ever-growing.
drove me nuts!
"the shadows come to dance, my lord, the shadows come to stay" always reminded me of how the dead come dancing in the tent when mirri maaz duur works her blood magic--- the shadows come to dance when she says the prayer, and once daenerys enters the tent, death comes to say (rhaego)
3:52 it could also refer to the witch attempting to cure Kal Drogo in his tent, as the book describes Dany seeing dancing shadows
When I read the books years ago I always found Patchface to be the creepiest character. I thought I was the only one, but apparently not. Great video and I hope GRRM does use him in big ways in the story's future!
Patchface reminds me of the Greek mythological figure Cassandra, who was cursed by Apollo with the ability to see prophetic visions of the future that no one else would believe when she tried to warn them. I wonder if this was a deliberate allusion by GRRM.
I think GRRM has a lot more planned for Stannis. While he was destroyed in the show by poor writing and utter hate, I believe that there will be some kind of link in the future between himself, R’hollor, patchface, Jon, Melisandre, and the others. I personally would love to see Stannis succeed in the battle of winterfell and then help defend the attack from the others coming down from beyond the wall.
That is, if Jon survives in the books. It would be so like Martin to kill off Jon and replace him with some other character completely out of left field.
I’m almost convince that Stannis will be the one to defeat the others but will die in the process. The second Dance of the Dragons will be the big climax.
I've just started reading the GOT books. and I'm at book 3. After watching so many theories about what will happen next I just realised the magnitude of George R.R.Martin genius . In the beging I thought about the books as being a larger and more complex story about the song of ice and fire presented by the show( I watched it first ) , but after a while it hit me. This is not just a story , this is so much more . The books contain so many things far beyond what is presented in the show. Wow , this is amazing , and thinking about my journey to finish them , gives me goosebumbs . I've stepped into something so complex and misteryous , that makes my mind go wild . So many peoples that didn't read the books , are missing the story of they're life , and I've just stepped into it. Amazing and eye opening . I take a bowl and I pledge to this incredible story .
Once my set arrives, I too will be on my way to that very journey.
You are 100% correct. Sadly the show is only canon until the end of season 2, everything after that should not be taken seriously.
Bowl like pot?
@@kikiwest2001 I've read them all I'm gonna reread them again when the last book comes out in oh idk... 20 years maybe?
@@masterson0713 I think George misspelled "bow" as in the gesture.
"Under the sea, you fall up-..."
They all float down here~!
Patches' talk of "under the sea" could very well relate to Valyria - someone noted in a theory that nearly every single thing he said could be directly translated to be about Old Valyria -
"The fish eat us" could be referring to dragons, or simply Valyria falling into the sea.
"Under the sea, the birds have scales for feathers." - almost certainly referring to dragons.
"The merwives wear nennymoans in their hair and weave gowns of silver seaweed." - "Nennymoan" could very well be a Sea Anenome, but it is also the name of a flower which is commonly purple in colour. This sounds like a reference to the silver hair and purple eyes of the Valyrians.
"Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black." - The area around Valyria after the doom is known as the Smoking Sea. This sounds like an accurate description of that area.
"Under the sea the mermen feast on starfish soup, and all the serving men are crabs." - one of the old houses of Valyria who served the Targaryens were the Celtigars - whose sigil is a crab. The starfish could be referring to the star of the Andals, who Valyria conquered in Essos and drove to Westeros.
"Under the sea no one wears hats" - Could be referring to crowns - In Valyria, there were no kings.
Perhaps the weirdest one was "Under the sea, you fall up". OK Tinfoil time - When I thought about this I think it has WAY more significance than we realise - he could very well be referring to resurrection magic, and the biggest mystery in ASOIAF is what actually caused the Doom of Valyria. If the Valyrians found the secret of resurrection and abused it, that could account for the Doom. We know that magic in this world has a price, and blood magic has the highest price. If the Doom was caused by this, then the resurgence of resurrection magic in Westeros could be cataclysmic.
Nah, the doom was caused by volcanic eruption as the relentless digging underneath its land eventually cuased ruptures in the underground lava pools which in turn caused a huge volcanic quake. The abuse of magic might have dulled them into thinking the city would be eternally invincible though, as prophecies had been made about the doom. The Targaryens left precisely because one of their members had a prophetic dream about it and they tried to warn others, the Velaryons are one of those families who listened, and why they lived near Dragonstone and were closely tied to Targaryens.
The faceless men caused the doom of Valyria theory sounds more believable
Really reaching
na this is a popular theory with too many similarities to be reaching@@mooglefluff
"This is no swish and flick shit. The gods only give at great, terrible cost."
Great video as always. Hopefully Patchface just wants to go to Hardhome to borrow the White Walkers' scuba equipment and take Shireen on a diving trip.
Never trust a man named patches.
Treasure you say? hmmm over the ledge you say>!>!?
Trusty Patches
I'll stick you in my prayers. A fine Dark Soul™ to you.
@@setokaiba3102 It'll change yer life. Go on!
Are you a cleric or something?
Patchface is so creepy..
The sole fact that MELISANDRE finds him creepy is enough for me to know that Patchface gonna do some creepy scary shit in the next book.
alexBRMC Lol
alexBRMC That's actually true. The fact that Melisandre finds him scary could definitely hint that he is involved with as powerful beings as like gods
he can be one for what we know
My Jolly Sailor bold but he seem to be loyal to Shireen
U know ur baked when you thought you read strongest GoT character, was waiting for him to explain how he was so strong, then reread the title at the end of the video.
Oh well I still enjoyed it.
Even tho he is fat, he is able to do some jumps and tricks. So maybe he has the strongest legs on GoT?
Wow... I thought it said strongest also, thanks for telling me😂😂
Rahhhhh I thought the same thing man
I bet he has a very good singing voice tbh
Patchface can bench The Mountain
Patches?! How many clerics has he pushed into the pit inside the catacombs?!?!
Gamez R Hard too good bruh
he's everywhere, lonely old patches is the only character in dark souls who doesn't turn hollow because he has a purpose
Not enough
The gift of the Godhead cometh!
Damn, and I was about to comment something like that, Came down here just to see I have been beaten
but maybe he is just crazy and weird
Cheap Codes nah he is too accurate, the drowned God is real at least in the books.
All the prophet's are a little crazy and weird. Some are simply more correct than others.
@@Invincible-Under-the-Sun Filthy casual here but is getting more and more fascinated. I'd be thankful if you could give a brief break-down as to how the Drowned God is real in the books. I'll dance at your wedding.
@@mrtrench538 How is he real? Well for starters Patchface has predicted a lot of major events,and has also talked about the under the sea world. Then we got Euron talking about him becoming a under water God and it's been implied by red priest that euron is Daenerys biggest threat. Then there's the tradition of drowning people in the iron island and being reborn as a new person with a different appearance but same thoughts. The list goes on.
Jajajajaja yes, but his words... Are really creepy.
Shit like this only remind me that Winds of Winter still isn't out and that I want to read it
the most amazing thing about it is that martin will not live long enough to finish it
Probably never will read it... GRR Martin is making more money off the show than the actual books... he is basics letting HBO kill a deep and beautiful series with mainstream horseshit and appeasement for the zombified masses in pop culture
still waiting
Lmfao he aint finished writing? My god thats too funny and sad at the same time, aint no way hes gonna finish it after getting paid... Lololololol gonna be soooo many pissed ppl, only person to capture me and disappoint me at the same time i love it xD
And that Martin is 70 and you may never get to read it.
I remember reading “Dragons of Ice and Fire”, a damn good AU fanfic that made some of its own predictions of what “Winds of Winter” could bring. It mentioned that with all of the chaos spreading in Westeros, what we are likely to see is instead of the War of the Five Kings, it would be the War of the Five Monsters:
The Others on the North
The Drowned God of the Ironborn
The Red God with Stannis
The Dragons with Dany
And likely the rise of the Mad Queen, Cersei
i wonder if they are all gonna have the undead champion thing as well. the others obviously have undead soldiers, the ironborn are drowned and brought back to life so you could consider them undead, obviously the red god resurrects people that he knows are important to the upcoming battle, and even cersi has an undead champion in the form of Robert Strong (who is very obviously a resurrected Gregor Clegane in the books). the only missing link is dany, so I'm wondering if she will get her own version of the undead champion trope everyother faction follows.
it's also interesting to note that the seven don't seem to have a champion/prophet in the game currently, unless you count the high sparrow as such, and he's certainly not undead.
Holy shit George R. R. Martin’s mind never ceases to amaze me. Great video!
trust he does not know this himself........
@@finalfrontier001 Eeh sure...
I forgot all about this guy. He annoyed me to no end when I was reading the books. Now I see that, as always, Martin had a deeper meaning to the character. Thanks Alt Shift X! Insightful as always!
Also the name Shireen is very similar with the word Siren, the mythological creatures that enchanted sailors with their songs. Show Shireen likes singing (I can;t remember if she also likes it in the books) and Patchface is also related with singing. A bit far fetched but still :P
She also sings along with Patchface in the books, it actually makes people even more nervous and uncomfortable.
Interesting note, but Shireen's name is actually Persian in origin, specifically an alternate transcription of Shirin (شیرین), which means "sweet".
It's like if Jar Jar Binks was written by Lovecraft.
Caleb Chaney In my opinion, Jar Jar allready IS a lovecraftian horror.
Shit just got real!
Jar Jar was probably inspired by Lovecraft.
Patchface is the key to all this.
It's so dense. Every single page has so many things going on.
“The Drowned God’s Hall is like a Bikini Bottom version of Valhalla.”
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The Prince that was Promised
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The drowned god, Patchface, and Damphair all make for some of the most somber and terrifying characters I know of, and they are just chilling in the background of a huge and wonderful world, GoT is so good damn.
When Shireen is burnt it will release the grey plague. That is my prediction. Burning greyscale, dormant or not, creates a fuming gas and smoke that spreads the deadly grey plague. That is why in the past they had all people with greyscale exiled to somewhere isolated and distant instead of just burning them. That was an effort to prevent the deadlier grey plague. So Melisandre will awaken a stone dragon, a misinterpretation of dragon actually meaning a weapon of mass destruction. And the stone part had to do with the appearance of grey scale looking like a person made of rock.
i know this comment is 3 years old but holy shit you just made the stone dragon metaphor click for me with this one. if this is how shit goes down in the next book id be very pleased
@sglauney oh my, thank you! I also have a theory Grey plague could be released from the kings landing area from Jon Connington and Fake Aegon, causing wildfyre to explode while invading kings landing.
So Grey plague could be spreading all over westeros as the long night comes.
That commonality between all the gods was always really interesting to me, that they all have the resurrected champions just under slightly different packaging, it's always seemed like Martin has magic be real but people just attribute it to gods
I mean the line with patchface giving his seed is really similar to the nights king and his bride
It is odd how much the wildlings distrust greyscale and the ominous visions around patchface are concerning
It’s just Stannis’ luck. In the book, his dad writes something like, “ maybe this new guy will even bring a smile to Stannis’ face”. What happens happens and now Stannis is yet to suffer another fool for the rest of his Life. Stannis Baratheon ≠ Jan Brady
Lol Stannis can't catch a break
Luckily for stanis the man does manage to make his daughter happy, so that's still a mission accomplished
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Drowned God R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."
J. Smith
A Cthulhu reference?
Too bad the Drowned God isn‘t called R‘hllor. Would be a great fit.
J. Smith ia! IA! Cthulhu ftagn!
Im happy everyone agrees that the books are the true canon
the show is exactly just as much canon as the books for the simple fact that martin was a greedy son of a bitch and sold the rights to hbo, stop trying count everything the show has ever portrayed as fanfic
jupân gealat boss de boss Sansa never went back to winterfell to marry ramsey, catlin is still alive, robbs wife is still alive, elia and rhegars baby aegon is still alive, tyrion actually hates jamie now, jorah never got grayscale, half the characters from the bools dont exist in the show.
@@vladu__e
The show is fanfic. Period.
I think it's acceptable to consider both the books and tv show and their own respective stories. Both of them contain sub-plots or events that are unique to them alone, so I think it's fine to respect them equally.
@@hecht0520 and because of all that stuff the books got very convoluted in the 4th and 5th books and spent way too much time on characters no one cares about. Like Quentin Martell and young griff
Oh man I came up with some absolutely wild theories regarding patchface on some forums back in the day
I have an inkling that patchface is the only one who was Drowned properly and the iron born are only mimicking the process
Patchface is one of the most interesting minor characters of ASoIaF even though he seldom appears.
Here's my theory, Patchface was blessed with ominscience by some divine being, and the sinking of the ship was his intentional sacrifice to that god, but the ship had so many people on it that it went to beyond a sacrifice and just a mass murder, so as a punishment, he could only convey his knowledge in the form of these rhymes.
"I am in charge now"
~R.I.P Patches 2018
You are most definitely the best youtuber that makes content about the ASOIF universe. Thank you for all your hard work at bringing us these detailed videos.
I love how you call Melisandre "Mel," in the way you would call an old friend
Do a video on eastern Essos, the farther east you go the more demonic and scary things get
Dragons are alive and soar the skies of Yi Ti beyond the lands of Ashai in the Shadow.
@@admontblanc yi ti is not beyond asshai. asshai is southeast of yi ti and leng
I always think that patchface didn't drown at all. I think some deepones found him and took him to some type of underwater cave or secluded island and abused him and drove him mad (as deep ones tend to do in H.P. Lovecraft fiction) and eventually he escaped but was broken forever. So I don't think he's a friend to the deep ones he probably hates them. That's just my head cannon though. Such a dark character.
TheBd62 does the timeframe workout?
Sunkyoship it was 3 days from when the ship went down to when he washed up on shore. That's enough time to be raped by a lovecraft fish monster (Or maybe they were saving him for food but he got away)
LockHowl Maybe he was brainwashed by them too
They abused him for only a few days and he ended up like that? I think even Ramsey took at least a week to make Theon forget his name...
In_Vas_Por then again Ramsey isn't a descendant of a god and theon was a proud ironborn prince not a poor slave boy from across the narrown sea
Shit like this is part of the reason I love the story. Patchface prophesied stuff in the first chapter of ACOK that wouldn’t happen until mid-ASOS and beyond. Like how far in advance had all this stuff been planned out? And likewise, if/when the story is eventually finished, how much stuff that seems innocuous now are we gonna be able to go back and say “oh shit that’s foreshadowing”
Patchface is creepy, I remember reading about him in Clash of Kings Prologue and I saw sort of creeped out.
If the story of Durran Godsgrief and Elenei is true, then Shireen might already be descended from the Deep Ones. According to legend, Durran was the first Storm King and married Elenei, daughter of god of the sea and the Baratheon's claim descent from him through the female line.
At the end of the Lovecraft story Shadow Over Innsmouth, the protagonist discovers that he's descended from the Deep Ones, and goes to join them in the sea - could be a parallel there...
This will not end well for those involved will it?
Merritt Animation If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
EvanSol919 i didn't think this theory could get even more fucked up than it already was
@Laurel: GRRM said he gave 3 spoilers to D&D for the show; Hodor's name origins was one, one more we haven't seen yet...and apparently, Shireen's burning was part of it. My guess is that the books will have it be for reasons surrounding the Deep Ones or Drowned God rather than Stannis being the Anti-Mannis and sacrificing her to make the snow melt.
No wonder George will never finish this, like how do you even give all this jibber jabber of jumbo shit a satisfying conclusion, i don't get how writers minds dont just fry.
How cool would have been that instead of the ending to Stannis' story, the burning of Shireen would have infected most of Stannis' men with greyscale, including Stannis himself, and his mad, rambling march towards certain death with his few remaining loyal men was quite literally a death march, penance for his sins?
That would have been George RR Martin level of disturbingly awesome. And now the north is filled with a brutal grayscale epidemic.
Amazing analysis of a deceptively foolish character! You can really feel the fandom oozing out of these videos, thank you!
I can't wait for the conclusion of the show...but I'm even MORE excited for the conclusions in the books tbh. Way more plot ends to tie up, way more potential options on how shit could go, and just way more shit to take into account
Books always win
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Dragonstone reminds me of Minas Morgul.
....only with a stunning seaside view!
thought the title said “strongest” and i just accepted it
Patchface got bars🔥🔥🔥
A scene where Aeron Damphair meeting Patchface would be nice.
sadly euron will likely kill aeron
Great content as always
Thomas Roe the best
Great profile pic Charlie
Whenever Patchface mentions "..under the sea.." he's speaking of Valyria. Worth looking into, very interesting theory.
Valyria might be game of thrones version of atlantas.
@@rhysoneill7399 That would be epic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This video made me immediately think of Roy Doltrice' voice of Patchfaces 'I know! I know! Oh, Oh, Oh' - annoying and brilliant both at the same time :)
I will really miss the man's performance to the next two books
NimbleDick Crabb Yeah we should make a petition to bring him back
@Jason: I can't tell if you mean "bring back" as a joke on resurrection, or if you think Roy was fired, but in case it's the latter...Roy Dotrice died.
Reaching Higher former.
Who else remembers when a Brienne chapter starts. "Brainne."
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Patchface being an avatar of the drownee god is such a wonderful idea. I love how alien this makes the characte. Berric loses himself slowly, Melisandre misinterprets but Patchface seems to be desperately to get some message through, but the damage done to his body is too severe or something. Dark stuff
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she.... calls him... "patches"?!!? all my dark souls alarm bells are ringing...
Perhaps he kicked Steffon Baratheon off his ship...
i bet he did!
Poor Davos, sitting in a well isn't quite enjoyable I'd imagine...
"Oh, Shireen, you came at the perfect time. There's a fine stash of treasure right down that hole. I found it first, but... well, we're friends. So i'll split it with you! In any case, have a look, it'll shimmer you blind! Heh heh heh..."
Ace of Wind I know, I know, I know
Gotta respect how much effort and time this guy puts into his videos. Must reread the books constantly to get all the quotes and stuff
Or just looks up patches quotes and chapters and prepares like anyone else would.
@@bossmusic6969 Cool man
Love this. It's a shame he got cut from the show. And symbolic in the way that Shireen and he were friends, she dies to fire and him to water.
"This is no swish and flick shit..."
I love it. I love your subtle, yet on point references.
My GOD, if someone could portray the books as they are written in a series, then GOT would go on forever and would be so much more interesting,.....
He always reminded me of the Fool from the Farseer books.
Great video, as usual
Thats a fun connection, the wit and skill are similar to skinchanging in AWOIAF as well!
i love the Fool!
The fool is actually intelligent though.