Love that Greg speaks his opinion and tries to do this without label bias and without being scared that ESPN is gonna fire him. I find you very credible.
So everybody gets an excuse except UGA who played the toughest schedule on the road. If Oregon was tired then UGA was dead man walking at Ole Miss and it showed. Penn State ahead of any SEC team is an injustice.
You’re comparing a team that hasn’t left the south eastern part of the country, to a team that has traveled from coast to coast multiple times. Might I add, Oregon played 8 conference games straight, Georgia played 5 going into Ole Miss. I’m an SEC guy, but this is a horrendous take from you.
You are spot on correct. Texas is in playoff mode. If we lose one, we're done. But Texas also controls its future. Just win baby win, and the rest is moot!
As much as I want Georgia to have the easy route, I think only Georgia or Bama could go onto a frozen field in December beat Ohio State face-to-face. That would be something college football has never seen in a long time, not saying it would be easy by any stretch.
South Carolina could also beat OSU regardless of the weather -they are the most under-rated team in the country and also the one team hat NOBODY wants to play. Just sayin'
I’m a Longhorn. Whatever logic is applied to UT should also be applied to Indiana. Stating that IU just needs to “be competitive” against OSU to remain a playoff entrant is contradictory to saying UT needs to win out. And to be clear, I think UT does need to win out, because basically all other 2 loss SEC teams had harder schedules. If IU beats OSU out then put them in, otherwise they have no good wins which is the argument that would keep UT out.
@@SammyJ.. the UT loss is to a top 10 team that is likely in the playoff. Indiana beating scrubs in the meantime is not a reason for them to be more in the playoff conversation. If UT has one loss to GA and IU has one loss to OSU, that’s a very similar result, but UT in that scenario will be in the SEC championship, which is the main reason why they would be likely able to confirm a spot with a win there. Same can’t be said for Indiana. If UT goes to the conference championship and loses, then again wouldn’t surprise me if they fell out of contention, but at that point we’d also have a win over a ranked A&M in our resume.
@@hunterdorsett It still has a lot to do with Indiana having the one less loss. Yes, their schedule sucks, but Texas's hasn't been great, either. They have no top 25 wins either. And Indiana's loss would be even slightly "better", bc Ohio St is #2 and it's in Columbus. If they play pretty close, it probably won't actually hurt them. Texas, of course, wasn't very close in their loss, and it was in Austin. If Indiana gets blown away, that may change things. If Texas were to lose to Texas AM, it's not a horrible loss, but it's still a more harmful loss than losing at Ohio St. If they both lose those games, Indiana would still have one less loss, the "best" loss (even if by a hair), and they'd both still have the same number of top 25 wins. Big fat Zero. The head of the committee has said more than once that they won't penalize the loser of a conference championship. So while I wonder about that when it's the 10th or 11th ranked team, Texas would still probably be #3 if they got to the SEC title. They're in if they win the next 2, no matter what happens in Atlanta.
@ I agree with most everything you said. To be transparent, if Texas loses to A&M they should very likely (and deservingly) be out. And they’ve had a verryy fortunate schedule this year. Ole Miss, ALA, GA, and TENN all have better resumes assuming they win out and UT were to lose another (their losses are worse but wins are better). I just think if Indiana plays 11 cupcakes, and loses definitively against the 1 good team they play, they don’t go to a conference championship game, and they don’t have another game that’s a good win against even a decently performing team… that just feels wrong for them to get a ticket to the playoff. It’s basically the same strength of schedule and result as a non-power 4 team like Boise (lose to Oregon) or Army (likely lose to ND). That would incentivize everyone to play exclusively bad teams outside of conference, which isn’t good for the sport’s viewership or revenues. Texas was handled by Georgia for sure, that’s not in question. For me if UT wins out and makes it to the SEC championship, it feels like an easy argument they should be in. If they lose in the next two weeks they shouldn’t - easy scenario. With Indiana… I just don’t think it makes sense (this year) to reward teams that have zero good wins and don’t make it to the conference championship. Plus Indiana would be the underdog against likely the top 5 or 6 teams in the SEC.
Colin resurrects his “winning at Notre Dame is hard” speech from way back in the day when they were 4-8 with few NFL draft picks. For the past 10 years only 5 schools have more wins and Freeman is proving it’s not Kelly. They do it the “hard” way because that builds young men with character. They recruit well because there is life after football. They are a glamour top 10 program because they succeed while maintaining their student-athlete values, not because they throw money and people around like other “glamour” schools who act like simply an NFL minor league.
ND grad and fan here. ND as a "glamour school"??....that's the wrong adjective. ND has legitimately been seen as a prestige school. Just don't think you are better than anyone else. Then you lose what is special about ND. In football, ND has had great success in placing its players into the pros, and those who aren't good enough to make the pros get the benefit of an excellent education and culture that will help in life. That's the basis of ND's recruiting pitch: 4 for 40. In this current era of college football, ND has had to adapt and now does actively participate in NIL and the transfer portal as they should. But ND still seeks players who will represent its values. And yes ND's location in northern Indiana is not exciting, but the campus is beautiful, the people are great and the university is special. As for Colin Cowherd's comments re ND, they were just stupid and ignorant. He doesn't know the place. And as far as brand value, ND is doing just fine in 2024.
@@markoconnell4518 I get it. His take on ND was dumb and strikes me as rather outdated if he is comparing today’s ND football program to the 70’s and 80’s. It’s a completely different deal now, and ND has elevated its program tremendously since then.
1st - GA Game bro! and KY is old - PLUS- WE WENT to ARK and DESTROYED THEM. Understand you wishing it wasn't so; but it is... You really think the Vols would have a chance right now against the REBS on a neutral field?
i mean GA's worst loss is Ole Miss. Other loss was Bama...both were away games. GA has been injured all year and had the strongest schedule in all of college football and still managed to finish 8-2. its all good though. GA, Bama and Ole Miss going to knock them all down either way.
Who else tho? Penn St's resume is extremely similar to Texas's. Indiana's schedule so far is far worse than anyone's. Notre Dame has one pretty strong win but very little else, and an absolutely horrendous loss. Miami's wins aren't any better, have skated by a bunch, and have a loss to an un-ranked team. Then you got to the two loss SEC teams. Do 1 of them go all the way up there? Ya gotta put somebody at 3.
I'm truly curious, who outside the top 25 would you rank there? Also why is Illinois still ranked? Not saying Missouri should be ranked, in a normal year I believe they should be nowhere close to ranked, but who is more deserving than them outside the top 25?
I actually would say Kansas State is more deserving outside the top 25 but to me, no other team has a better resume than them outside the top 25. That's just my opinion tho
As a GA fan, I expect to be ranked behind teams we lost to. But it infuriates me to be ranked below a team(TX) who has beat no one good and lost to us by two touchdowns. And don't get me started on Indiana's ranking. How does TN have a beef about being 4 spots behind AL when GA is 7 spots behind TX?
The truth of the matter is they put way too much value on the number next to a team’s name when you win or lose even though we all know rankings are ridiculous in general.
@@HKmoney-Offical I don't think they care about other rankings at all. I think they're being inconsistent in how they're treating H2H. They're clearly holding UGA behind Bama and Ole Miss purely bc of weighing H2H super strongly, but not taking the same approach with Tennessee beating Alabama or Georgia beating Texas or even BYU beating SMU.
@@DJ_Cub This is the expected counter regarding UGA-Texas, but I feel like this may make the mistake of over-valuing pure Win-loss recod without looking at SoS. In cfb, you aren't just what your record says. Sure Texas only has one loss, but outside of UGA, they've played no other top 25 teams so far, let alone top 10. Meanwhile, UGA has played four other top 25 teams, three of 'em in the top 10.
Calling out UGA's OL without, at least, acknowledging the injuries it's had all season shows you're underprepared for the conversation. You can disagree and still say they suck, ok fine, but at least acknowledge the injuries and subs they've had most of the season if you're gonna question them. The OL they had in against Tenn is more of what you can expect down the stretch IMO.
Tennessee lost 3 spots earlier in the season for playing their "D" game in a WIN against Florida. Please explain the difference to me, please make me understand...
Every team should be in playoff mode. Technically, Oregon can lose to Washington and still get the first round bye (maybe even the 1 seed), but the Ducks will be super movitated to be Washington as they lost the last two rivalry fights. So you should win every game left and if you lose you give up your hope for a playoff spot. I think we should have a list of control their own destiny and ones that need help
I think Indiana and Penn St got the benefit of Easy Schedule. Both should be Ranked around 7th or 8th. SOS really needs to be weighted more. Quality of Wins against Top 25 Teams is being overlooked
It's not Penn state or Indiana's fault that Washington and Michigan are having down years. Both Washington and Michigan in recent years have been in title contention, it's just unfortunate that they had a bad season, and somehow thats being projected on penn state and Indiana
Greg, thank you for doing what you do this show your other shows you do a great job. I love your guess. Keep doing what you’re doing. You got that fire you got that dog in you go boy😂❤
Except for Oregon, OSU(B1G title game would certainly be excusable) and IU(if they can keep it competitive Vs OSU-of course. Everyone else isn't in the same situation as the SEC all with 2 losses already, just the facts Ma'am..
Texas came to the SEC and said it’ll be tough and we’re gonna get a wake up call, everyone gunning for us. It is tough but we’re 9-1 we can’t help the schedule isn’t as strong as it was last year. Either way I get it we need to beat Kentucky and tamu but we didn’t lose to Arkansas Vanderbilt and we’re not gonna lose to Kentucky either.
The thing is there are tons of SEC fans all over and there's definitely a loud, crazy fringe that says certain things. But I know I expected Texas to come in and challenge for the title, and I think most people did. The media certainly did. The way the in-conf schedule worked out has helped, and the disparity between what Texas and Oklahoma got is kinda crazy.....but you're right, not something the schools can control. I think Texas has a good chance to win the conference. We'll find out for sure, but I feel like the UGA game was mostly an off-night for Texas combined with a great effort from UGA, not something that would happen again. Ewers had just come back, wasn't himself that night.
He didn’t do it for others because comparing to out-of-conference opponents isn’t an equal comparison. He also only did it for the cluster of four teams at the line on the bubble. There’s no need to do it for other teams.
UGA has been substituting the oline all season, against Tenn they didn't sub at all with the oline and look what happened, I think they found their oline and they will be just fine.
The whole purpose of this version of the playoffs is to get the usual 4 best teams in as well as reward the conference champions. If a school does not meet either of those criteria, they really have nothing to complain about. The other spots are just filler.
Kirby is right. For years it was strength of schedule and that one more "data point" to place you over others. Now it appears to be just wins and losses regardless of schedule and competition. What is the criteria? No one knows. Why should Georgia schedule Clemson (or Ga Tech for that matter)? Take a look at Indiana's OOC schedule? Are they even trying? What about Miami? Ohio State? Texas? Georgia has the best wins cumulatively (Clemson, Texas, Tennessee) and the best losses (Ole Miss, Bama). They should be the highest ranked 2 loss team and possibly over some one loss teams (Miami, Indiana). Georgia has played 3 top ten teams. Only Ohio State will have done that after playing Indiana. Every other team in the top ten rankings has only played one. Notre Dame and Miami none. Georgia has played 5 teams in the top 25. Ohio State and Oregon have played 3. Everyone else two or less. Only Georgia, Ohio State (assuming they beat Indiana) and Oregon will have 3 top 25 wins (CFP Rankings). Georgia has two losses to two top ten teams. No other two loss team can say that. In fact, Bama, Ole Miss, Miami, and Notre Dame all have unranked losses, Ole Miss has two. Strength of schedule clearly doesn't matter.
Greg, defenses consistently play high 3 coverages against Texas because they’re afraid of getting beat deep by our WRs especially someone like Bond. He’s a shade slower than Worthy so he gives us that deep threat we had with Worrhy. So Quinn checks down a lot and looks short to take what the opposing defense gives him. I would like to see Texas go to more of a power running style with our freshman running back Gibson to soften up the defense forcing them to not play deep as much so we can take those shots over the top.
BYU fan. Yes, BYU beat SMU but SMU is a different team now. They have their QB situation figured out. I’m not that worked up over it, but I think that’s mostly because BYU is competing against only other Big 12 teams and Boise State right now. No other team affect their chance of making the playoffs or where they’re seeded.
Don't lose to Kentucky, Arkansas and Vanderbilt that's like Oregon, Ohio State and Penn State losing to Wisconsin, Nebraska and Rutgers. Stop complaining
I agree with your logic regarding TX...however, I think that if TX makes it to the SEC CCG and loses they will not only still be in but will only drop to the 8 seed behind PSU and ND at 6 & 7....but yes, I think if TX loses prior to the CCG then they will drop down behind Tenn and are likely out unless someone else like PSU loses.
It's a shame that Indiana gets to be judged on only one game. They get a pancake schedule and a bye week to prepare for their only relevant game, and they'll look significantly better than they really are. I predict it'll be close due to those factors, including no wear and tear like an SEC schedule would cause.
That's funny, ESPNs playoff predictor has Boise State at an 88% chance of a first round bye if they win out. No chance? That seems like a wild statement.
same people saying this was talking how tough a 3 game stretch Texas had prior to the season, Punish the team who played the schedule put in front of them.
The point is ogio state is balanced period the best defense in the country and run the ball better then anybody and have the best recievers in country and been dominant and offensive line too
@@damianpresha9833 no. It would demonstrate Indy still has no quality wins. No sense in rewarding a weak schedule. This is their chance. Prove us wrong by beating the one tough team on your schedule.
Main thing here to win and youre in,any team that gets to the 12 team playoffs deserves it,idc how hard the schedule is,thats the whole point of the playoffs,we are tired of seeing the same old 4 teams in the CFP for the last 20 years,this will show who the best is at the end of it all,ND has a shot just like Georgia and Allabama and Texas and etc etc,so strength of schedule is out the door now,dont be mad if Oregon or Boise State or ND wins the championship,play the teams you play and dont lose,who cares if its Indiana or ND,that is exactly why they did this 12 team playoff
Oregon was exhausted and somehow, someway, they still pulled out a win against a team that gave them everything they had. With a week off and Tez back? Washington is going to feel every minute of last years losses. Did the Ducks needs some help? Yeah, they did and great teams make their own luck. I too am more impressed with Oregon today then I was this time last week. That defense is a wall. Oh and I agree about Ole Miss.
never seen mcelroy this flustered. cowherd just threw him off center and he never recovered. led him with loaded questions and greg went right where colin led him
I genuinely am curious if I am completely missing something with this take, but can someone tell me why Georgia shouldn’t be the highest ranked SEC team? They have the hardest SOS with 3 top 20 wins (Tex, UT, Clem). Their 2 losses are to top 10 teams (Miss, Bama) and they battered Texas head to head who’s best win is at Vandy. The only argument against it would be head to head which normally should be the deciding factor BUT if you use that to say Miss and Bama should be ranked higher, then you also have to put Tennessee above bama, which wouldn’t be fair since Georgia has to be above Tennessee. It seems to be like the committee just ranked the SEC teams by how recently they lost and didn’t look at the resume at all
Battered? That’s a stretch. Texas beat themselves. Set UGA in their territory to score 3x. Georgia isn’t beating Texas again this season if they play in ATL.
Agree 100% about Texas. No big wins, I think and HOPE the committee set up the numbers that way this week BECAUSE of this as well. Letting it play itself out. Otherwise TN got screwed AGAIN and will continue to be the team they dump on. Why?
"Anyone who thinks Oregon should not be number one after playing bad against Wisconsin is taking crazy pills"- McElroy... Well, I think anyone who thinks Oregon should be number 1 after their bad win against Wisconsin and thinks they can beat any of the SEC teams currently in the top 12 is taking crazy pills. Mark my words. Oregon will be embarrassed
'Georgia benefitted from a soft schedule last year.' Difference in last year for them and weak schedule teams this year is that UGA went undefeated in the regular season. 3 years in a row, most consecutive wins in the history of the SEC. If the SEC has the most players drafted to the NFL, 17 years in a row (and counting) and the NFL is where you go to REALLY make money off playing football then you gotta think the potential of any given SEC team is higher than ANY other conference. What i mean is EVERY other conference is jockeying for 2nd place at best. So the potential for 4 or 5 teams from the SEC has the most upside financially for the players, financially for the network that broadcasts them and the entertainment value for the fans? The best. If you want to see the best players you watch SEC games. This CFP 12 team playoff deal expires at the end of next season so this is going to change, probably to 16 or 24 games anyway so then we'll see 6-8 SEC teams in and once Kentucky or LSU or South Carolina gets in and embarrasses themselves this will settle down. Then again if they win.....
Disagree with how you evaluate the quality of a team's wins Greg. A game should be evaluated based on where the teams were ranked WHEN THEY PLAYED, not weeks/months afterward. With the exception of week one, which can't possibly count because no one has any idea how a team will look for the year. You can't say ABC University hasn't beaten any top 25 teams, when they beat 3-4 teams that were in the top 25 AT THE TIME THEY PLAYED THEM. Anything could have happened during the interim (coaching changes, injuries, you name it). That can't be held against them.
Cowherd was so good here-thoughtful and relevant. When he’s on with Klatt, he’s a clown with his theories and nonsense. I guess he’s playing that for entertainment, but I’ve grown weary of it-wish he was more like this. McElroy got the best out of him.
If Greg wants an example of former players making good coaches, there are better examples. Harbaugh and Heupel at QB. Smart at DB. I don’t know that Deion has enough of a record in a tough conference to accurately judge either way.
Strength of Record doesn't mean anything to me if one of those teams is 9-2 Mercer. It inflates Bama when in reality, it's not the best metric. UGA has the toughest SOS. Not Bama. But i respect Bama being ahead because of the H2H. But there's no reason on earth Indiana, ND and Miami should be ahead of UGA at this point. The gap between UGA and Texas is wayyy to big given their H2H.
The whole point of the playoffs is to run em until theres only 2 left,this sos shyt has to end in conversations,and no Georgia doesnt deserve to be ahead of ND Miami or Penn state bc they only have 1 loss,idc how hard their schedule is,this sos shyt is dead,Georgia and Alabama in my opinion should already be out,long side of any other 2 loss team,its not fair that the same 4 teams in the last 20 years get special treatment bc of their name,we are past that now,ND and Miami and Penn state are there bc they only have 1 loss and if either team loses then they're out,sos shouldnt count in a playoff scenario,just like NFL,its the way it should be and should stay this way
Greg went to Alabama and his team gets an auto bid annually and you guys screw someone for his team annually. Like Florida state last year and tbd this year. Of course he is okay with talking about who deserves to get screwed, bc it’s never his team!
@@alanrobinson9021the bowl game was not a good barometer. Aside from the QB getting hurt, most of their starters and good portion of their backups opted out after getting snubbed for the playoff. They were demoralized and defeated before that game even started.
Ewers has been underperforming and has been very inconsistent. Texas has been beating teams by multiple scores playing C ball on offense. If they could clean things up they will be tough to beat
Wait, what are we talking about? "Combined Records"? Look, Tennessee's strength of schedule is better than the rest of the top 15 (other than Bama and Georgia), it just is. You flashed it up there. Why are we creating different measuring sticks when we already have some? I hate this pick and choosing of what is important week to week.
Greg you sound like a politician lol, again my argument for texas is how does a 2 loss texas team who so far does not have a bad loss (pending Ky this saturday) is in playoff mode. Even if texas loses in the sec championship game, thats only there second loss of the season. cmon now. Again, if this was uga and bama we wouldnt even be having this conversation. Some say theres an SEC bias, na theres an UGA and bama bias, yall ganna make sure at least one if not two of them make it somehow, even if at the expense of someone else
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How did we get Cowherd on an ESPN produced show?? Is this real life right now?? Chaos!! Bring me the chaos!!
Is not the first time with McElroy
It’s a clip from Cowherd’s own podcast from his media company The Volume. ESPN has the rights to use it
Love that Greg speaks his opinion and tries to do this without label bias and without being scared that ESPN is gonna fire him. I find you very credible.
Agreed. Greg is knowledgeable and unbiased. Very pleasant demeanor as well.
Also a good college football QB.
Media is losing its grip on employees. Just look at Pat. You really think they would allow him to stream his show on YT if they had all authority.
So McElroy has basically said in so many words what nobody else has said. Colorado has played Nobody
So everybody gets an excuse except UGA who played the toughest schedule on the road. If Oregon was tired then UGA was dead man walking at Ole Miss and it showed. Penn State ahead of any SEC team is an injustice.
How many times has Georgia travelled across the country 😂 keep crying 😂
@@stephaneleblanc-i7m SEC not dumb enough to bring in schools that are 2500 miles away 👀
You’re comparing a team that hasn’t left the south eastern part of the country, to a team that has traveled from coast to coast multiple times. Might I add, Oregon played 8 conference games straight, Georgia played 5 going into Ole Miss. I’m an SEC guy, but this is a horrendous take from you.
UGA played cupcake schedules for years
No longer got that east only weak schedule. Welcome to the SEC west.
You are spot on correct. Texas is in playoff mode. If we lose one, we're done. But Texas also controls its future. Just win baby win, and the rest is moot!
Great show Greg, loved the conversation between you ad Colin!
As much as I want Georgia to have the easy route, I think only Georgia or Bama could go onto a frozen field in December beat Ohio State face-to-face. That would be something college football has never seen in a long time, not saying it would be easy by any stretch.
South Carolina could also beat OSU regardless of the weather -they are the most under-rated team in the country and also the one team hat NOBODY wants to play. Just sayin'
@@willmiddleton9199I agree man those edge rushers at South Carolina are the real deal
I’m a Longhorn. Whatever logic is applied to UT should also be applied to Indiana. Stating that IU just needs to “be competitive” against OSU to remain a playoff entrant is contradictory to saying UT needs to win out. And to be clear, I think UT does need to win out, because basically all other 2 loss SEC teams had harder schedules. If IU beats OSU out then put them in, otherwise they have no good wins which is the argument that would keep UT out.
Difference is Indiana is undefeated and Texas already has a big loss.
@@SammyJ.. the UT loss is to a top 10 team that is likely in the playoff. Indiana beating scrubs in the meantime is not a reason for them to be more in the playoff conversation. If UT has one loss to GA and IU has one loss to OSU, that’s a very similar result, but UT in that scenario will be in the SEC championship, which is the main reason why they would be likely able to confirm a spot with a win there. Same can’t be said for Indiana. If UT goes to the conference championship and loses, then again wouldn’t surprise me if they fell out of contention, but at that point we’d also have a win over a ranked A&M in our resume.
@@hunterdorsett It still has a lot to do with Indiana having the one less loss. Yes, their schedule sucks, but Texas's hasn't been great, either. They have no top 25 wins either. And Indiana's loss would be even slightly "better", bc Ohio St is #2 and it's in Columbus. If they play pretty close, it probably won't actually hurt them. Texas, of course, wasn't very close in their loss, and it was in Austin. If Indiana gets blown away, that may change things.
If Texas were to lose to Texas AM, it's not a horrible loss, but it's still a more harmful loss than losing at Ohio St. If they both lose those games, Indiana would still have one less loss, the "best" loss (even if by a hair), and they'd both still have the same number of top 25 wins. Big fat Zero.
The head of the committee has said more than once that they won't penalize the loser of a conference championship. So while I wonder about that when it's the 10th or 11th ranked team, Texas would still probably be #3 if they got to the SEC title. They're in if they win the next 2, no matter what happens in Atlanta.
@ I agree with most everything you said. To be transparent, if Texas loses to A&M they should very likely (and deservingly) be out. And they’ve had a verryy fortunate schedule this year. Ole Miss, ALA, GA, and TENN all have better resumes assuming they win out and UT were to lose another (their losses are worse but wins are better).
I just think if Indiana plays 11 cupcakes, and loses definitively against the 1 good team they play, they don’t go to a conference championship game, and they don’t have another game that’s a good win against even a decently performing team… that just feels wrong for them to get a ticket to the playoff. It’s basically the same strength of schedule and result as a non-power 4 team like Boise (lose to Oregon) or Army (likely lose to ND). That would incentivize everyone to play exclusively bad teams outside of conference, which isn’t good for the sport’s viewership or revenues.
Texas was handled by Georgia for sure, that’s not in question. For me if UT wins out and makes it to the SEC championship, it feels like an easy argument they should be in. If they lose in the next two weeks they shouldn’t - easy scenario. With Indiana… I just don’t think it makes sense (this year) to reward teams that have zero good wins and don’t make it to the conference championship. Plus Indiana would be the underdog against likely the top 5 or 6 teams in the SEC.
Colin resurrects his “winning at Notre Dame is hard” speech from way back in the day when they were 4-8 with few NFL draft picks. For the past 10 years only 5 schools have more wins and Freeman is proving it’s not Kelly. They do it the “hard” way because that builds young men with character. They recruit well because there is life after football. They are a glamour top 10 program because they succeed while maintaining their student-athlete values, not because they throw money and people around like other “glamour” schools who act like simply an NFL minor league.
ND grad and fan here. ND as a "glamour school"??....that's the wrong adjective. ND has legitimately been seen as a prestige school. Just don't think you are better than anyone else. Then you lose what is special about ND. In football, ND has had great success in placing its players into the pros, and those who aren't good enough to make the pros get the benefit of an excellent education and culture that will help in life. That's the basis of ND's recruiting pitch: 4 for 40. In this current era of college football, ND has had to adapt and now does actively participate in NIL and the transfer portal as they should. But ND still seeks players who will represent its values. And yes ND's location in northern Indiana is not exciting, but the campus is beautiful, the people are great and the university is special.
As for Colin Cowherd's comments re ND, they were just stupid and ignorant. He doesn't know the place. And as far as brand value, ND is doing just fine in 2024.
@ Good point, I agree, I was just using Colin’s word against him in that the Irish are ‘glamorous’ (aka admirable) just in a different way.
@@markoconnell4518 I get it. His take on ND was dumb and strikes me as rather outdated if he is comparing today’s ND football program to the 70’s and 80’s. It’s a completely different deal now, and ND has elevated its program tremendously since then.
@@johntucker5994well put and I can't stand ND but I agree
Perfectly stated, @@johntucker5994 .
Just a terrific, informative discussion between Greg McElroy and Colin Cowherd. Both brought their A game.
I get the sos between Ole miss and TN, but losing at home to Kentucky is much worse than losing to Arkansas on the road. It's a toss up between them
1st - GA Game bro! and KY is old - PLUS- WE WENT to ARK and DESTROYED THEM. Understand you wishing it wasn't so; but it is... You really think the Vols would have a chance right now against the REBS on a neutral field?
i mean GA's worst loss is Ole Miss. Other loss was Bama...both were away games. GA has been injured all year and had the strongest schedule in all of college football and still managed to finish 8-2. its all good though. GA, Bama and Ole Miss going to knock them all down either way.
@@cscottfischer1. Ole miss is doo doos. 2. Ole miss is still doo doos.
@jejbsh2191 lol! And who, pray tell, isn't in your somewhat twisted mind?
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Besides the big name schools… no other school would be ranked as high as Texas with the same schedule
Who else tho? Penn St's resume is extremely similar to Texas's. Indiana's schedule so far is far worse than anyone's. Notre Dame has one pretty strong win but very little else, and an absolutely horrendous loss. Miami's wins aren't any better, have skated by a bunch, and have a loss to an un-ranked team. Then you got to the two loss SEC teams. Do 1 of them go all the way up there?
Ya gotta put somebody at 3.
Missouri is ranked because Bama beat them. Let's be honest.
Facts they lost and didn't move
Expand on that logic.
Is that why Mercer is ranked?
I'm truly curious, who outside the top 25 would you rank there? Also why is Illinois still ranked? Not saying Missouri should be ranked, in a normal year I believe they should be nowhere close to ranked, but who is more deserving than them outside the top 25?
I actually would say Kansas State is more deserving outside the top 25 but to me, no other team has a better resume than them outside the top 25. That's just my opinion tho
As a GA fan, I expect to be ranked behind teams we lost to. But it infuriates me to be ranked below a team(TX) who has beat no one good and lost to us by two touchdowns. And don't get me started on Indiana's ranking. How does TN have a beef about being 4 spots behind AL when GA is 7 spots behind TX?
The truth of the matter is they put way too much value on the number next to a team’s name when you win or lose even though we all know rankings are ridiculous in general.
@@HKmoney-Offical I don't think they care about other rankings at all. I think they're being inconsistent in how they're treating H2H. They're clearly holding UGA behind Bama and Ole Miss purely bc of weighing H2H super strongly, but not taking the same approach with Tennessee beating Alabama or Georgia beating Texas or even BYU beating SMU.
Your win over them does not matter when you’ve lost TWICE. When Texas loses again you can be mad about being ranked below them
@@DJ_Cub This is the expected counter regarding UGA-Texas, but I feel like this may make the mistake of over-valuing pure Win-loss recod without looking at SoS. In cfb, you aren't just what your record says.
Sure Texas only has one loss, but outside of UGA, they've played no other top 25 teams so far, let alone top 10. Meanwhile, UGA has played four other top 25 teams, three of 'em in the top 10.
You are what your record says you are...don't lose more games than Texas if you want to be ranked higher. HOOK'EM!!!
Calling out UGA's OL without, at least, acknowledging the injuries it's had all season shows you're underprepared for the conversation. You can disagree and still say they suck, ok fine, but at least acknowledge the injuries and subs they've had most of the season if you're gonna question them. The OL they had in against Tenn is more of what you can expect down the stretch IMO.
That lineup in the Tennessee game played the whole game with no substitutions.
I’m glad you’re sounding better
Tennessee lost 3 spots earlier in the season for playing their "D" game in a WIN against Florida. Please explain the difference to me, please make me understand...
Tennessee didn't deserve to lose sport on a win especially against Florida
You’re not capable of understanding
@@thebiscuit7725 obviously you ain't either biscuit
Finally you talk some sense as an IU fan I agree if they get blown out they out
Or just lose at all 😉
Every team should be in playoff mode.
Technically, Oregon can lose to Washington and still get the first round bye (maybe even the 1 seed), but the Ducks will be super movitated to be Washington as they lost the last two rivalry fights.
So you should win every game left and if you lose you give up your hope for a playoff spot.
I think we should have a list of control their own destiny and ones that need help
He spot on wit Penn State
I think Indiana and Penn St got the benefit of Easy Schedule. Both should be Ranked around 7th or 8th. SOS really needs to be weighted more. Quality of Wins against Top 25 Teams is being overlooked
It's not Penn state or Indiana's fault that Washington and Michigan are having down years. Both Washington and Michigan in recent years have been in title contention, it's just unfortunate that they had a bad season, and somehow thats being projected on penn state and Indiana
@@hector8491well, neither play good teams in the preseason either. Especially Penn State
Greg, thank you for doing what you do this show your other shows you do a great job. I love your guess. Keep doing what you’re doing. You got that fire you got that dog in you go boy😂❤
ANYONE who loses from here on out,,,,should not go to playoffs
Except Oregon they’ve clinched a big 10 title berth they could lose the next 2 games and would still go to the playoffs
Except for Oregon, OSU(B1G title game would certainly be excusable) and IU(if they can keep it competitive Vs OSU-of course. Everyone else isn't in the same situation as the SEC all with 2 losses already, just the facts Ma'am..
Funny how McElroy doesn’t say Alabama has to win out 🙄🙄🙄
Texas came to the SEC and said it’ll be tough and we’re gonna get a wake up call, everyone gunning for us. It is tough but we’re 9-1 we can’t help the schedule isn’t as strong as it was last year. Either way I get it we need to beat Kentucky and tamu but we didn’t lose to Arkansas Vanderbilt and we’re not gonna lose to Kentucky either.
The thing is there are tons of SEC fans all over and there's definitely a loud, crazy fringe that says certain things. But I know I expected Texas to come in and challenge for the title, and I think most people did. The media certainly did.
The way the in-conf schedule worked out has helped, and the disparity between what Texas and Oklahoma got is kinda crazy.....but you're right, not something the schools can control.
I think Texas has a good chance to win the conference. We'll find out for sure, but I feel like the UGA game was mostly an off-night for Texas combined with a great effort from UGA, not something that would happen again. Ewers had just come back, wasn't himself that night.
@@drewc771ewers is just not a good quarterback
@@benmason1166 Really??
I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on qb evaluation, but he's always seemed pretty good to me.
Good analysis but woefully inconsistan. He does the SEC win loss of opponents, then doesn't do the same for the other conferences. Do your job.
He didn’t do it for others because comparing to out-of-conference opponents isn’t an equal comparison. He also only did it for the cluster of four teams at the line on the bubble. There’s no need to do it for other teams.
Let's all agree "struggle-wins" are better than ANY type of loss in the 12 team playoff race.
UGA has been substituting the oline all season, against Tenn they didn't sub at all with the oline and look what happened, I think they found their oline and they will be just fine.
It’s laughable how flawed college football is
My issue here is the fundamental theme here is “good losses” seem to be valued more heavily than quality wins
The whole purpose of this version of the playoffs is to get the usual 4 best teams in as well as reward the conference champions. If a school does not meet either of those criteria, they really have nothing to complain about. The other spots are just filler.
In the 15 years of me watchin college football Ohio State to me has play lik oregon which is the finesse, and speed
No bigger TEXAS hater than the guy that got lucky Colt McCoy got hurt….HOOKEM
Kirby is right. For years it was strength of schedule and that one more "data point" to place you over others. Now it appears to be just wins and losses regardless of schedule and competition. What is the criteria? No one knows. Why should Georgia schedule Clemson (or Ga Tech for that matter)? Take a look at Indiana's OOC schedule? Are they even trying? What about Miami? Ohio State? Texas? Georgia has the best wins cumulatively (Clemson, Texas, Tennessee) and the best losses (Ole Miss, Bama). They should be the highest ranked 2 loss team and possibly over some one loss teams (Miami, Indiana). Georgia has played 3 top ten teams. Only Ohio State will have done that after playing Indiana. Every other team in the top ten rankings has only played one. Notre Dame and Miami none. Georgia has played 5 teams in the top 25. Ohio State and Oregon have played 3. Everyone else two or less. Only Georgia, Ohio State (assuming they beat Indiana) and Oregon will have 3 top 25 wins (CFP Rankings). Georgia has two losses to two top ten teams. No other two loss team can say that. In fact, Bama, Ole Miss, Miami, and Notre Dame all have unranked losses, Ole Miss has two. Strength of schedule clearly doesn't matter.
For 1 you're wrong,Notre Dame has 3 top 25 wins this season,tied with Georgia and OSU,and Notre Dames D is better than both of theirs
Surprise, surprise Greg puts Alabama on a golden pedestal , don’t count on Texas winning out they could plummet in the playoffs
PLEASE PLEASE GIVE THE DAWGS PENN ST AND MIAMI!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would say as of now I would rather have South Carolina in the playoffs over Tennessee
Texas' loss was to a top 5 Georgia. Not quite the same as NIU, Vandy or Arkansas.
Greg, defenses consistently play high 3 coverages against Texas because they’re afraid of getting beat deep by our WRs especially someone like Bond. He’s a shade slower than Worthy so he gives us that deep threat we had with Worrhy.
So Quinn checks down a lot and looks short to take what the opposing defense gives him.
I would like to see Texas go to more of a power running style with our freshman running back Gibson to soften up the defense forcing them to not play deep as much so we can take those shots over the top.
BYU fan. Yes, BYU beat SMU but SMU is a different team now. They have their QB situation figured out. I’m not that worked up over it, but I think that’s mostly because BYU is competing against only other Big 12 teams and Boise State right now. No other team affect their chance of making the playoffs or where they’re seeded.
Don't lose to Kentucky, Arkansas and Vanderbilt that's like Oregon, Ohio State and Penn State losing to Wisconsin, Nebraska and Rutgers. Stop complaining
Exactly.
Oregon barely scratch out a win over Wisconsin and alabama destroy Wisconsin big ten will be exposed when they play a sec team
What about Georgia then?
You can’t tell me Penn St would be 10-2 with Georgias schedule 😂
@@robbydawg6355they'll beat any sec that comes into happy valley in the playoffs. That's all that matters
Oregon is number one best team in the country I haven't seen it ain't nobody else has either
Your Laughable..most everyone thinks they should be number 1 get a life
I agree with your logic regarding TX...however, I think that if TX makes it to the SEC CCG and loses they will not only still be in but will only drop to the 8 seed behind PSU and ND at 6 & 7....but yes, I think if TX loses prior to the CCG then they will drop down behind Tenn and are likely out unless someone else like PSU loses.
It's a shame that Indiana gets to be judged on only one game. They get a pancake schedule and a bye week to prepare for their only relevant game, and they'll look significantly better than they really are. I predict it'll be close due to those factors, including no wear and tear like an SEC schedule would cause.
That's funny, ESPNs playoff predictor has Boise State at an 88% chance of a first round bye if they win out. No chance? That seems like a wild statement.
They also have Texas at 94% with a virtual 50/50 game coming. They lose that game. Bye bye.
BSU go underdogs…finally get a chance🎉😊❤
SOS and SOR should matter. If my gamecoks win out, they should be in!
same people saying this was talking how tough a 3 game stretch Texas had prior to the season, Punish the team who played the schedule put in front of them.
If it goes by SOS. Georgia has the number 1 SOS. So does that mean they should be ranked higher than bama?
No
The point is ogio state is balanced period the best defense in the country and run the ball better then anybody and have the best recievers in country and been dominant and offensive line too
@@HenryLemons-be8gy rewatch the Oregon’s game…
@danielcantrell9227 for wat they were bout to kick the winning field goal. Ran outta time
Mcelroy is logical. Unusual for most of these sports guys.
Greg is very logical until you ask him to be objective across the whole field.
Everyone has to win out but the two undefeated power 5 teams.
Indiana may not get in if they get embarrassed by OSU.
@@JamesBond-zd5jxThat would be fundamentally wrong.
@@damianpresha9833why? Depends on what’s around them. If Osu soundly beats them they’ve only proven they can beat bad teams.
@@thebiscuit7725 What is your definition of a bad team ?
@@damianpresha9833 no. It would demonstrate Indy still has no quality wins. No sense in rewarding a weak schedule. This is their chance. Prove us wrong by beating the one tough team on your schedule.
Main thing here to win and youre in,any team that gets to the 12 team playoffs deserves it,idc how hard the schedule is,thats the whole point of the playoffs,we are tired of seeing the same old 4 teams in the CFP for the last 20 years,this will show who the best is at the end of it all,ND has a shot just like Georgia and Allabama and Texas and etc etc,so strength of schedule is out the door now,dont be mad if Oregon or Boise State or ND wins the championship,play the teams you play and dont lose,who cares if its Indiana or ND,that is exactly why they did this 12 team playoff
15:30 Lies this man’s talk down on GA every time.
DUN GOOD!
Oregon was exhausted and somehow, someway, they still pulled out a win against a team that gave them everything they had. With a week off and Tez back? Washington is going to feel every minute of last years losses. Did the Ducks needs some help? Yeah, they did and great teams make their own luck. I too am more impressed with Oregon today then I was this time last week. That defense is a wall. Oh and I agree about Ole Miss.
This was awesome! Keep up the great work Greg! You're by far the best sports analyst on ESPN.
never seen mcelroy this flustered. cowherd just threw him off center and he never recovered. led him with loaded questions and greg went right where colin led him
I genuinely am curious if I am completely missing something with this take, but can someone tell me why Georgia shouldn’t be the highest ranked SEC team? They have the hardest SOS with 3 top 20 wins (Tex, UT, Clem). Their 2 losses are to top 10 teams (Miss, Bama) and they battered Texas head to head who’s best win is at Vandy. The only argument against it would be head to head which normally should be the deciding factor BUT if you use that to say Miss and Bama should be ranked higher, then you also have to put Tennessee above bama, which wouldn’t be fair since Georgia has to be above Tennessee. It seems to be like the committee just ranked the SEC teams by how recently they lost and didn’t look at the resume at all
Battered? That’s a stretch. Texas beat themselves. Set UGA in their territory to score 3x. Georgia isn’t beating Texas again this season if they play in ATL.
because they got absolutely destroyed by ole miss
@@DavidRojas-fd2tbdid you ride the short bus to school?
@@chill5045 I did. How did you know?
@@DavidRojas-fd2tb something has to be mentally wrong with you for you to believe Texas would come to Atl and beat my UGA Dawgs.
If Tulane should be ahead of Army then Alabama should be ahead of Indiana.
Agree 100% about Texas. No big wins, I think and HOPE the committee set up the numbers that way this week BECAUSE of this as well. Letting it play itself out. Otherwise TN got screwed AGAIN and will continue to be the team they dump on. Why?
SMU lost the first game of year to BYU with a different QB...they have not lost with this QB
Would UGA move up 3 spots by trouncing mighty Mercer?
TN doesnt have a gripe about beating the 7th team when GA beat the #3 team.
“We chase false gods in sports.”
Greg, you get better behind the microphone every week
I think if Texas' only loss from here on out is the SEC title game then they get in; I don't think they have to win out no matter what.
Everyone said that Mahomes was too much backyard football too.
God Colin loves to talk about USC, he can’t help himself!!!
Look at Colin defending BK…he’s good when he’s motivated but lazy at recruiting and keeping his teams focused.
"Anyone who thinks Oregon should not be number one after playing bad against Wisconsin is taking crazy pills"- McElroy...
Well, I think anyone who thinks Oregon should be number 1 after their bad win against Wisconsin and thinks they can beat any of the SEC teams currently in the top 12 is taking crazy pills. Mark my words. Oregon will be embarrassed
'Georgia benefitted from a soft schedule last year.' Difference in last year for them and weak schedule teams this year is that UGA went undefeated in the regular season. 3 years in a row, most consecutive wins in the history of the SEC.
If the SEC has the most players drafted to the NFL, 17 years in a row (and counting) and the NFL is where you go to REALLY make money off playing football then you gotta think the potential of any given SEC team is higher than ANY other conference. What i mean is EVERY other conference is jockeying for 2nd place at best. So the potential for 4 or 5 teams from the SEC has the most upside financially for the players, financially for the network that broadcasts them and the entertainment value for the fans? The best. If you want to see the best players you watch SEC games. This CFP 12 team playoff deal expires at the end of next season so this is going to change, probably to 16 or 24 games anyway so then we'll see 6-8 SEC teams in and once Kentucky or LSU or South Carolina gets in and embarrasses themselves this will settle down. Then again if they win.....
Don't the SEC beat writers always rig the AP Polling on behalf of SEC schools in order to get more teams into the College Football playoff?
hey Greg if Ohio State loses to Indiana do you really think there going to drop 8 spots.
Anyone…Is strength of schedule based on real time records (the current record of a given team), or old rankings?
Will ND beat USC?????
good point. I think they lose
lmaooo
Lmaoo yes notre dame will cook them usc doesn’t have anyone anymore
@@owenbybee8231lmfaooo you are brain dead af 😂😂😂
@@JR7600 ND doesn't throw very well
Tulane would be Oregon by 7, and almost any SEC school
Yo be honest smu is a way different team then when we played byu. Also we had a different qb
Umm byu knocked out your starter in the 1st quarter. You had 3 quarters with your current qb and lost at home
@ umm you just lost to Kansas
Alabama does not have a quality road win, if playoffs were played in Tuscaloosa they would have a chance to win it all but it's not
Lsu
Tn will get in. Just that simple.
They will loose to Texas a/m
South Carolina getting SCREWED!!!!!
#18 in CFP rankings
#8 SOS
Don't blow games you should have won... I mean its kinda simple
@ Can't beat teams when the refs are helping them... I mean its kinda simple
To answer your question Greg, Michael Jordan shot 50 percent on potential game winning shots
"The People's Republic Of Boulder" :D
I have been critical of Greg McElroy in the past, but his episodes with Colin are so good. Well Done!
Disagree with how you evaluate the quality of a team's wins Greg. A game should be evaluated based on where the teams were ranked WHEN THEY PLAYED, not weeks/months afterward. With the exception of week one, which can't possibly count because no one has any idea how a team will look for the year. You can't say ABC University hasn't beaten any top 25 teams, when they beat 3-4 teams that were in the top 25 AT THE TIME THEY PLAYED THEM. Anything could have happened during the interim (coaching changes, injuries, you name it). That can't be held against them.
They dropped Alabama with both of our losses......so we do know how that feels.
I hope Cam Ward never hears you talk about Texas check down high percentage offense take
Cowherd was so good here-thoughtful and relevant. When he’s on with Klatt, he’s a clown with his theories and nonsense. I guess he’s playing that for entertainment, but I’ve grown weary of it-wish he was more like this. McElroy got the best out of him.
If Greg wants an example of former players making good coaches, there are better examples. Harbaugh and Heupel at QB. Smart at DB. I don’t know that Deion has enough of a record in a tough conference to accurately judge either way.
Georgia dropped that many spots because they had two losses, one to Bama. Now that more teams have two losses, teams (ie Texas) won’t drop as much.
#4 MIAMI LOST WENT FROM #4 TO #7,THAT'S 3 SPOTS NOT 7
Shut up ... SMU is Playing better than BYU
I agree but you need to represent head to head, otherwise what is the point of even playing the games
lol someone big mad about SMU 😂. Win out and none of it matters
Colorado is beating BYU
@@owenknapke6932 different confidence
@@T-Dotwanderer yes, but they still played this year and smu won, how can you just ignore that?
Strength of Record doesn't mean anything to me if one of those teams is 9-2 Mercer. It inflates Bama when in reality, it's not the best metric. UGA has the toughest SOS. Not Bama. But i respect Bama being ahead because of the H2H. But there's no reason on earth Indiana, ND and Miami should be ahead of UGA at this point. The gap between UGA and Texas is wayyy to big given their H2H.
The whole point of the playoffs is to run em until theres only 2 left,this sos shyt has to end in conversations,and no Georgia doesnt deserve to be ahead of ND Miami or Penn state bc they only have 1 loss,idc how hard their schedule is,this sos shyt is dead,Georgia and Alabama in my opinion should already be out,long side of any other 2 loss team,its not fair that the same 4 teams in the last 20 years get special treatment bc of their name,we are past that now,ND and Miami and Penn state are there bc they only have 1 loss and if either team loses then they're out,sos shouldnt count in a playoff scenario,just like NFL,its the way it should be and should stay this way
Greg went to Alabama and his team gets an auto bid annually and you guys screw someone for his team annually. Like Florida state last year and tbd this year.
Of course he is okay with talking about who deserves to get screwed, bc it’s never his team!
Yeah, he’s a real Bama homer …it’s pretty bad and has always been that way .
FSU did not get screwed last year - they lost the key player in their offense making them a dufferent team - look at their bowl score
@@alanrobinson9021the bowl game was not a good barometer. Aside from the QB getting hurt, most of their starters and good portion of their backups opted out after getting snubbed for the playoff. They were demoralized and defeated before that game even started.
Miami should be outside looking in
Texas has beat Florida, Arkansas, Michigan and Vandy. They had one bad half against Georgia and we are comparing their schedule to Indianas??
Ewers has been underperforming and has been very inconsistent. Texas has been beating teams by multiple scores playing C ball on offense. If they could clean things up they will be tough to beat
Wait, what are we talking about? "Combined Records"? Look, Tennessee's strength of schedule is better than the rest of the top 15 (other than Bama and Georgia), it just is. You flashed it up there. Why are we creating different measuring sticks when we already have some? I hate this pick and choosing of what is important week to week.
Greg you sound like a politician lol, again my argument for texas is how does a 2 loss texas team who so far does not have a bad loss (pending Ky this saturday) is in playoff mode. Even if texas loses in the sec championship game, thats only there second loss of the season. cmon now. Again, if this was uga and bama we wouldnt even be having this conversation.
Some say theres an SEC bias, na theres an UGA and bama bias, yall ganna make sure at least one if not two of them make it somehow, even if at the expense of someone else
Do you think a 2 loss Texas team should get in Over a 2 loss Uga team, even though Uga has the head to head and the toughest schedule in Cfb.
@ the real question is should a 2loss uga get in over a 2loss bama or ole miss who both have bad losses . Ole miss loss to ky, bama loss to vandy.
You are skipping over A and M, the game is in College Station and Texas will lose, after getting by Kentucky and Arkansas by the hair on their backs.