The SHOCKING Truth About Stock Plugins
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Can Ableton Live's stock tools replace expensive VST plugins?
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I love 3rd party plugins because of their GUIs (don’t laugh). But tbh the type of plugins that can get very different from ome to the others are distortion and compressors. Each distortion has different flavour and each compressors reacts differently to the signal. Headhunterz once said that he couldn’t get his iconic kick sound he had back in the day without Logic. And even though the compressor in Ableton is so versatile that it works in almost every situation, when you want to get a sound like what 1176 or the Distressor has, you will have a very hard time to achieve using stock plugins.
Other than that, having 3rd party plugins, especially analogue simulating ones, are most about the workflow of that specific interface you are familiar with. It will be very possible to recreate the Pultec bass trick and the API bright sound using any kind of digital EQ, but it will save you way more time to just dial in the setting with relatively limited options that you know it’s going to take you to the place you want with just a few touches.
I actually prefer the version you did this time with those Ableton plugins. You got rid of that annoying 400hz peak which I heard. Which could be acoustic problem also in my listening position though. Great video! 👍
Interesting! Thanks for sharing :)
I’m always amazed at people who are able to hear such slight nuances between different tools. I really wish I hadn’t f***ed up my hearing in all those 90’s raves.
Me too!
Thing is….. no one at a rave knows the difference, then and now. By the time the Dj has eq’d the mix it makes no difference if a mix is a tiny bit this way or that way.
You even forgot to mention the YT Algorithmen… with other words, what he could notice make no sense on a YT channel…
Enjoyed this insight into your mastering chain.
Whats the view on how important it is to include a LUFS meter at the end of the chain (I don't think there is a stock one but does max for live count?)
400hz cut was missing on the original. the original is more defined and has better transients but people usally prefer the one with more high end, why i think people actually will prefer the ableton master more even if it sounds a little "cheaper"
🤔I came to the comments to see if people agreed with what I'm hearing...and I was right.🧐
To be honest if you use a different Mastering Engineer, you're gonna get a different master. If you use different tools, you're gonna get a different master.🤷🏾♂✌🏾
Ableton wins on the clarity
I think the mid frequency are better in your Ableton master as the original.
OK, this was pretty interesting. I personally like the Ableton Master a bit more as it seems to breathe a bit more. But this could be just personal taste.
But that mastering is just the icing on the cake is a statement that you can hear everywhere. If you have a nice production, then with mastering you'll get a nice mastered production. And everything starts with good sound selection and a good idea.
Well done, dude. Thank you for this video.
Nice! It just goes to show how far one can go with very basic tools. I still prefer the other way (and personally also like that version more) but I didn't expect it to get that close in terms of quality.
If you know what youre doing you can do ALLOT with a little.
I feel the mix is pretty good. so the mastering in this case is not a big deal
The longest look ahead setting in the limiter distorts less
Just as expected, Ableton stock plugins can really hold their ground when processing its really close to the 3rd party plugins..
Hey man what headphones are you using
There's a lot of gain used in the EQ eight there. I've always been told better it's better to reduce more than increase?
yesteryear knowledge
@@starkid9736 how come? It makes sense to me because you're not just adding adding adding. Things sound 'better' when they're louder. It doesn't train the ear
And it has the same result, instead of just boosting here there and everywhere
Great question! It's one of those music production myths still floating around, so it's important to have that discussion. There's nothing inherently worse when you boost an EQ as compared to reducing frequencies. Technically, it's pretty much the identical process and if you gain stage correctly, there's nothing to worry about. The interesting bit here is this: My philosophy with mixing and mastering is "enhancing the beauty within every sound", so I focus more on what I like about the mix/ master and try to bring that out. Sometimes that involves cutting, but I allow myself complete freedom to boost whenever I want to hear more of something that's already there and beautiful.
@@pickyourselfofficial yeh and also I find bumping things up and reducing so you actually know what you're changing.
I've found out myself far too often that trying high compression thresholds first and THEN increasing the threshold up to see where it should sit. Rather than tweaking it delicately first
saturator and limiter just got updated. Unlucky timing
Haha I knooooow 😂
Did the Phase issue occure that happenz with EQ8 in the Lowz? Nice track thiS!
It's not a linear phase EQ, that's true. But that doesn't mean that there's a phase issue. Happy to hear that you like the music! Paul Conrad is an amazing artist.
Great in depth easy to follow vid. How about multi band mastering?
Whenever it's necessary, yes. I use it with caution though, as it often gives me the feeling that it's ripping musical aspects apart for the sake of technical correction. Especially multiband compression. Saturating only specific bands is something I do more often.
I like the Ableton master more
Thanks for sharing, I'm also quite impressed that there wasn't a huge gap.
I never liked the Live-limiter, never used it
They recently updated it I think (right after I recorded the video). Might still be in the beta but it seems to be an improvement.
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