These Players' Cards Are in DANGER
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Baseball superstars are starting out the year SLOW. This is not anything abnormal as some players start they year slow before turning it on later in the summer. It is a long season, but at times it can be challenging to not get caught up in good and bad starts. This is very prevalent in sports cards as we can see drastic swings in card values. In this episode the Spitballin' team discusses players who started out hot and cold and what is happening with their cards.
15.40. Philmington distilled the whole hobby into one great point right there. Hype drives prices far more than performance. It's literally better to not be playing than playing well. The anticipation of a player doing well impacts prices more than when the player actually plays well. When a guy actually plays well it's time to move on. It's quirky alright, lol.
Chris here - I wish this wasn’t true…
Well-said. Sad, but true...
Kind of like human nature, It is the seriousness of the accusation and not the actual crime. We are a strange lot us humans
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FINALLY. 64 videos and 40 minutes in. Roy finally gets the recognition he deserves.
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Acuna will have a month with a .390 ba and 12 hrs and be right back on track. Julio was brutal, and now he's swinging a hot bat.
Yep, Chris here and I’m guessing it all evens out. Though I admit I’m a huge Acuna fan.
Hoping so, a lot of season left!
Totally agree! None of us think he’ll be down for long!
Julio is not swinging a hot bat. He looks awful still. Swinging at everything out the zone, 1 homer, 4 extra base hits. Everyone should be worried
Spring training is for guys to get reps and practice new pitches against live batting. This is why they pitch by committee more. For a player to hit well in spring training doesn’t mean much. More fastballs and coaches seeing if pitchers can hit spots.
Yep, all about getting in rhythm and feeling healthy and confident.
I like just hearing knowledgeable people’s opinions. This style or topic driven it does not matter. You guys are great
Hey, thanks! Really appreciate the support.
Love the format. Great show.
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I loved everything that MLB did to improve the game last year. Unfortunately, 2024 MLB is off to a catastrophic start. The best starting pitchers in the league are hurt. My hero Corbin Carroll is playing well below replacement level.
Offense is down across the board. Lower April OPS league wide in 20 years!
Maybe it picks up as temperatures rise.
Yeah what is up with Carroll? You think he could be hurt? He looks terrible and the hard hit % is NOT encouraging.
Judge, Trout, Acuna, Carroll, Strider, Bieber, Cole, Alcantara, Perez.... baseball is a tough sell right now.
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Rough start to the season. Painful.
Feel free to add Vladdy to that list and even JRod.
Ohtani, has more upside! Remember he is a global icon 👌
Chris here - totally agree.
Jeff here -- Right there with you. Ohtani has way more rookie cards than some players, but also way more fans and collectors.
I agree 100%. I just wish he only had one flagship, one real one auto, one bowman chrome auto. My collector mind set prefers it, but I understand if others don’t see it that way. Ohtani is a stud!
I've never heard of him.
Acuna is cold AF.. y’all know how baseball is he’ll get hot.. He didn’t forget how to play. .
No he didn’t! And he’ll got hot sooner or later. Hopefully sooner
I've been extremely consistent with my collecting habits. I have collected the same player since 1988 (Nolan Ryan), had a 2 year period in the early 90s I added Steve Avery to my collection, then ended that, and my secondary collection is Ken Griffey Jr. But he is only like 2-3% of my collection. I do have a "general" collection of several players including Michael Jordan, but Nolan Ryan is a pretty serious collection I have on him. Have never waivered, but I'm strictly a collector. I have all of Nolan Ryan early cards, but i mainly just focus on current on card auto cards in low numbered parallels on him, preferably /5 or 1/1.
This is awesome! Do you have your collection on IG? Would be amazing to see.
Chris here - do you have an IG for your Ryan collection? I’d love to take a look
@@SpitballinCards lol....I don't. I'm so old school, I have Facebook and I watch RUclips. That's the extent of my social media. I'll have to work on an IG then 😃
It doesn’t matter how many cards you have if nobody will remember you. Goldy may have less cards but he’s forgettable now and he’s actually good, imagine how forgettable he will be when his career is actually over. Ohtani is just getting started. I know it hurts to put that kind of money into ohtani all at once but you just need one card. Secure one within your budget that you are happy with and you will be fine. Plus you already have Mookie so having the guy who will be batting behind him for the next 10 years will be even more fun for you to keep up with. Ohtani is can’t miss. Period.
I totally respect that opinion, but I’m sticking to my guns and would rather have the Goldschmidt for the same price of okay Ohatsni rookies. I understand the generational/all time great aspect of Ohtani, but I’m a Goldschmidt fan and it will always be a desired card in my eyes. Thanks for watching!
I respect it! Spoken like a true collector.
Ohtani is special. Scott will come around. Eventually.
I’m not saying Ohtani is bad. I think he is generational. I just like this Goldschmidt more 😂
The key reason behind the Braves struggles is the Angles manager. Ron Washington kept them in check
Washington is definitely missed. Already a couple questionable moves from the new 3B coach.
They’ll get the offense turned around. But it’s been painful to watch lately.
ohtani started with a super cold streak with risp. if you split his stats, they look fine. we can all check back in at the end of the season.
Chris here - absolutely! Very small sample size where plenty of abnormal numbers can surface. Like you said, we’ll check back in September.
having spent a small fortune on ball cards starting back in January as a way to get back into watching sports events...i have finally started to do just that. In any event i knew nothing about the Dodgers incredible line up until just recently; obviously i was aware that Ohtani was coming here to LA but I had not watched any sports for the most part in a couple years. I watched highlights of Ohtani just last night - he did go 4-4 but i gotta say he makes it look effortless. Pop ups, seemingly pop ups, like doesn't sound like much or look like much coming off the bat yet clearing the fence in dead center. It's impressive. I couldn't imagine that the hype wasn't overdone. But it may not be overdone. I am so impressed that instead of wasting another grand on cards I'm gonna buy tickets for the Dodgers/Yanks series.
@@stueystuey1962 Ohtani does indeed make things look much easier than they are.
Enjoy those games!!
I would like to hear your take on Elly as a switch hitter. His numbers against lefties are awful, at least when I look at his counting stats. I can't imagine he'd be worse against lefties if he just hit from the left side. What's the advantage of having him hit from the right side? You guys ever look into his advanced stats from both sides (exit velo, etc)? Love your show. Keep up the great content!
Chris here - I’ve wondered the same thing about Albies, who occasionally struggles mightily from the left side.
I look forward to the hobby’s over reaction to a player having an injury, a slow start or a bad month. This is often the best time to buy key cards for long term hold. I bought a 2018 Bowman Chrone Ohtani green refractor auto right after his first injury in his second season for $500. They’re selling for huge money today, tens of thousands. Similar to fliers on risky stocks…the huge winner more than covers a few misses.
Love this strategy! Nice buy on the Ohtani. Scoping out any deals on this year's slow starters??
I do this most seasons, have hit on Judge and Acuna, recently on Soto. May have missed on Tatis, time will tell. I love Bowman autos, and find the green /99 the best value, and look for the good team bonus. I am a believer in The Martian, aka Jasson Dominguez. Bought a couple refractor autos for low dollars after he had his surgery and ended his season. I’m betting on a nice resurgence and solid career.
Great strategy!
On the difficulty of buying modern players…even with the injuries, do we really think any current guys will match Trout’s career accomplishments? How that translates to card values, I’m not sure. But he set the ceiling incredibly high.
That’s an interesting thought experiment.
Can Betts catch him in WAR?
How does Freeman have 500 more hits than trout?
Will Harper’s postseason heroics over take trouts regular season dominance?
@@SpitballinCards those were definitely the 3 I had in mind, plus whatever Acuna can continue to accomplish. I think Ohtani is probably a class of his own - not for career accomplishments yet but just the uniqueness of what he brings. Trout is probably 3 great seasons ahead of Betts on WAR. Freeman could ultimately finish with incredible counting stats. Harper could be a 500-homer guy and add another MVP. But Trout still dominated for a good 10 seasons, so it’s all a tall order.
@@ryanosborne31 I really worry that with absolutely no postseason moments or team success that trout can be kind of forgotten.
I wasn’t a big Cruz fan, coming into this season. He is electric, beyond the stats, type guy. I’ve done a huge turn on him. The way he scorched the ball in his last HR vs pads, not a lot of people can do that.
Remember when Jordan played ball, and he was so crazy athletic that it sort of worked (but looked so strange being crazy tall)? Cruz looks like if Jordan stuck with baseball all his life. The Bucks should be signing this guy.
Right there with you.
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbinwhere do you get your county stadium shirts? Born and raised in Wi but live in south Florida. Would love to rock them, county stadium is really underrated. Seeing Nolan Ryan’s #300th, Canseco stolen base to go 40/40, “the beat goes on” for molitor, are hard to top memories.
Great show again!
Thanks John, we appreciate that!
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Good stuff gents. Braves/Dodgers tonight. Getting ready for more Freddie water works. 🤣🤣
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Bring tissues!
Scott jumped off the Lindor train super fast. lol
Chris here - I think he cashed out to make a play for the red Goldschmidt auto. How many chances will he have at one of those??
I would def put 5K into a nice Ohtani card or 2 over any Goldy card!
Chris here - as a freeman collector, deciding between a red Freddie or an Ohtani would be tough. Real tough. You may have seen my brain crack on video here haha
YES SCOTT THE BANTER IS GOOD!! STRAIGHT BASEBALL BARBERSHOP TALK! LOVE IT
Thanks for watching and commenting! Much appreciated
29:24 you forgot Billy!! 😢
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While some collector's spin over print runs, I think it's a mistake to prioritize rarity over desirability. Rare does not = iconic.
Chris here - this is true. Value come a from demand AND rarity. If nobody wants it, doesn’t matter how rare it is.
We have to find that sweet spot where a card is both heavily desired and rare enough that you can’t easily find copies.
What’s a good example to you? Gold refractors?
@@SpitballinCards For me that sweet spot (if we're talking parallels) is long standing parallels...Chrome gold, Chrome blue, Flagship gold, Flagship black etc. OR, non numbered case hits, of course. That said, if a card's image is such that it's so desirable/unique/popular, the rarity won't matter nearly as much - i.e. Soto shuffle, Bat down, LeBron chalk toss, 2008 Kobe shown vs. Lebron, Jordan RC, etc.
You guys fail to remember Chris Davis and his last couple seasons.. now that is the definition of SUCKS 😂
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Chris here - absolutely brutal. Nobody ever cared less after getting paid than Davis. Just an embarrassment.
Fantastic point!!
When do you think contributing to a ws championship will do to a players card. For instance if trout hit a walk off to win the WS in game 7 would that add to his value? Does having a moment that would last in history while having a HOF career help?
I think it absolutely helps! It has to! A big part of David Ortiz’s hobby love comes from big postseason moments.
Harpers 2022 heroics definitely made his cards move.
A moment like that would be absolutely incredible for trout - and really for any big name player!
Don’t agree with Scott’s take on Ohtani cards. Kinda strange that he won’t have at least one, there might be a bunch available on the market (now) but that’s likely to change and the ones that will be on the market will just get more and more expensive tbh.
Chris here and I’m on your side. I love Ohtani and actually picked up another card recently!
Thanks for watching and commenting
Hi, let me explain more. I have very limited hobby funds. Usually it’s from cards I sell to buy other cards. For me, I collect Mookie, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Trout, Greinke, Butler, and a few Rockies players. If I were to buy an Ohtani I would need to sell cards I really love to get an Ohtani I don’t have any excitement to own. The cards of Ohtani that I would be excited to own are too far out of my budget currently. A blue bowman chrome auto for example in a good grade is 15-20k. For that reason I’d rather have a Goldschmidt red that I like in my pc and I still think would gain value. If I were to own a card that I don’t like looking at I’d just end up selling it.
So for me it’s not that I think Ohtani is a bad buy, but rather it just doesn’t do anything for me and my collection. I’m cool just buying the players I like even if it’s not the best ROI move. Hopefully that explains it better!
@@scottiebcards2354 hey I’m all for buying whoever you like. Do I need more Freddie Freeman cards? I certainly do not. But that’s not stopping me. Even as I type this.
Also if you want something fun that is still liquid and holds value but isn't insane, some of Shohei's 2013 BBMs are really nice.
As the pipeline from NPB > MLB continues to develop I wouldn't be surprised if the prices continue to go up. I have all of the Ichiro 1993 rookies (BBM, Tomy, and Takara) and it's a fantastic collection of 'true' rookies. People always ask me about them.
Chris here - the Japanese cards are something I Need to do more research on.
Thanks!
If you want out of Acuna, I will buy all your high-end Acuna’s.
Going to a local trade show tomorrow so I hope to find some deals on Acuna.
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@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin hey quick question Chris, you think Luis Arraez could be a good long term hold? Or do you think he just won’t have any hobby power because of his style of play?
@@Bravetrain13 I wouldn’t bother with his cards. I don’t see the long term value/appeal.
Unless you’re a BIG marlins fan.
@@SpitballinCards got you. I appreciate it. I got his Independence Day on auction for pretty low. I’ll probably just see if I can make $20 out of it
Can’t say clutch hitting without saying the pitcher isnt clutch
Maybe pitcher was clutch
Chris here - this is exactly right! It’s two players competing. If one screws up, huge boost to the other. And vice versa.
elly is 7th in OBP+SLUG fantasy leagues... so hes damn good.
He’s amazing right now
Definite breakout - can he keep it up??
Would love to know your thoughts on this about Topps Heritage Autographs:
A red ink & cooler photo but non RC?
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A blue ink RC but not as rare or as cool of a picture?
Oh man, great question.
Chris here - it’s hard to argue against the rookie auto, so I’m thinking about Acuna’s cards. His 2019 gold cup red ink auto is just a sweet card. But would I rather have that or his blue ink rookie auto?
I think I’d have to say his blue ink rookie auto is the more desirable card and the one I’d choose. But damn, it’s close.
Perfect example of what I was thinking of! Thanks!
@@baumbamentality I reserve the right o waffle back and forth on this!! Haha
@@SpitballinCards fair enough😂
Have to disagree with you Scott on the Utley HOF bump being easily 50%. No way would his cards get a substantial bump
Chris here - Mauer’s cards definitely jumped. Not sure by how much, but I guess we’ll wait and see with utley. Anytime it seems easy to make money on an players cards, it scares me.
Jeff here: totally agree. I don't see it as easy money the way Scott does.
Since 2019 chase Utleys Bowman paper rookie psa 9 has gone from $25 to $99.
9/2019: $25
2/2021: $55
5/2023: $68
4/2024: $99
Chase Utley has not played a game. The only thing that changed is people started to talk about him being on the ballot in a few years. This is what I was referencing. The moment that player is brought back up, people about them, start sharing their stats on Twitter, and see journalists say they think he is a shoe in is when they jump.
This is what has happened to Utleys cards and is the play I was referencing. Between now and HOF induction it won’t move, but it is the years before you can make money.
great episode guys. I would have to pick the Goldschmidt over Ohtani.
Scott will be glad to hear that!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
So I was thinking why Alec Bohm doesn't get enough love the other day. Which led me to wonder if you guys have ever done a video focusing on players that enter the league as 25 plus year old rookies. Because there seems to be a few good ones out there but I wonder if any of them will get any hobby traction.
Steven Kwan! Just verified he was 25 last April.
With all do respect...Paul Goldschmidt is not even a HOF lock yet and he's 36. I don't think that he will get to 75 WAR which will be needed since he's a first baseman.
75 is required? I didnt know there was an actual requirement. I looked up the first baeman hall of fame average. Its 65 but the numbers are all over too. Some are low. Some are high. It doesn't seem fair that there can be a first baseman in the hall that doesnt have a 75 but the new inductees are required. Especially when the average is 65.
I personally think he is in. Here is why:
The average HOF first baseman has a 7 year peak war of 42.0 Goldschmidt is at 45.0. Freeman for example is currently at 39.5. On top of that the average first base JAWS (average of total war and 7 year peak) is 53.4 Goldschmidt is at 53.2.
Goldschmidt has 4 top 3 MVP finishes and an MVP. He also has 5 other years in the top 20 MVP voting. He is one of two first baseman ever to have 300+ HR AND 150+ SB. Meaning he’s one of the best power speed 1B ever alongside Jeff Bagwell.
Goldschmidt also has 5 SS at 1B which is the most EVER at the 1B position.
He is also not done accumulating hits, HR, and WAR. With Helton getting in, Goldschmidt will get in. The next few years will determine if he is a 1-2 ballot hof or a 5-6 ballot hof, but he will get in.
Also, Miguel Cabrera only has 67.1 war so I do not think 75 is a needed benchmark whatsoever.
@scottiebcards2354 It doesn't make sense considering WAR isnt a top contributer factor. What you say absolutely sense. I was thinking of Helton too! Why wouldn't Goldy make it if he did.
Chris here - I don’t think he’s in yet either. His career stats outside of WAR just don’t jump off the page.
Under 400 homers from a 1b?
He should have time to do some compiling though. If he can get going in 2024.
Again Scottie, congrats on your *cough* GoldShlt pick up!
Haha! Thank you Will. 😂
Just clicked on hope tork is mentioned cause man he’s awful lately.
Chris here - we didn’t mention Torkelson, but we really should have. 0 home runs in April?! Crazy.
Wasn't mentioned as he hasn't really been a superstar in the past, but he sure is underachieving for what people expected after last season. What a disappointing year so far!
I think Goldy gets in…eventually. But did you say first ballot like it was a given? I’m not so sure about that…
Chris here - I don’t think he has the career stats for first ballot. At least not yet. Does he need 400 hr??
Agreed. Not there yet - unless credentials to get in for voters drops a lot in the next 7-8 years. He definitely has a path to get there, but yeah, he still has some work to do.
I'm figuring out how Harold Baines got into the HOF
Tony Larussa.
When you figure it out, please let us know.
Weird I don’t see a team named the Indians anywhere. That might explain Acuna’s problems last week.
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Hey there guys, been watching your videos for a while now and commenting for the first time now to take up for Scottie on the Ohtani/Goldy debate! 😂 So he admitted to actually liking Goldschmidt and being a collector of him. He never said Ohtani wasn’t a great investment or that he’d never invest in him at all, her merely admitted that the collector side of him won out and preferred buying a nice card of someone he actually collects over someone who is a generational player but not one he personally collects!
Having said that - as a lifelong Braves fan who actually collects Acuna and Braves legends (yes pitchers even Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz) - if I had the chance to nab an extremely rare Acuna or one of our 90’s legends the collector in me would take them all day long over Ohtani! And I actually have some Ohtani cards bc I believe he’s a great investment. But the best part about our hobby is that there really is no wrong way to collect, we all have different likes/styles and that’s what makes us unique as collectors! So I would never bash anybody over picking the player the collect and love over someone who might be a better investment money-wise. Will ohtani go down in the books as one of the all-time greatest players? Perhaps - but you can’t put a price tag on childhood memories (in my case) growing up watching the greatest dynasty in the history of sports (90’s Braves baseball)! I respect that Scotty has enough balls to go after his guys and hold off on the bandwagon of great players like Ohtani - even if he is indeed a good investment, he’s sticking to his collector’s heart!
Btw Jeff, Chris Scotty and Ty - thank you for doing these videos, y’all are amazing at what you do and I’m not alone in showing my sincere appreciation for all the good you guys consistently bring to our hobby and the sport of baseball! Keep up the amazing work guys! 👍
Thanks for commenting! And I definitely see Scott’s side of the story - what a card for a Goldy collector to obtain! Appreciate the watching 💪🏼
Does Utley live in RI? Great to hear an obscure RI reference. Fun discussion
I think it was a reference to the Curt Schilling scandal
@@Philmington Thanks for the translation Phil! I only have a vague memory of that.
@@cacsports yeah it’s close to here so it was bigger local news
@@Philmington I was living in Bedford, MA at the time but didnt follow it too closely since Schilling annoyed me so much.
@@cacsports haha I don’t blame you
I would take the Ohtani over the Goldschmidth, but I am also an Ohtani collector. I got back into watching (some) baseball because Ohtani and his generational talent in both hitting and pitching. I am slowing building a large collection, but don't know when I am willing and able to purchase one of his big cards. Is baseball investing easier or harder with all of the advanced baseball metrics?
Chris here - I think investing in baseball cards is extremely difficult. It’s a tough sport and payers can go into slumps any time and injuries are heartbreaking.
I think you’ve picked a good player to collect in Ohtani. Good luck and thanks for watching!
New segment. Does the hitter suck or did he just finish a series against mariners pitching?
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Mariners pitching doesn’t mess around!
Chris here - unfortunately, Acuna hasn’t been facing the mariners all season…
Or the reverse.
Is the pitcher good or did he just face the Mariners lineup? 😂
@@Philmington sell high on max Fried
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Love this, please dump your Acuna Auto RCs to me on the cheap!
Chris here - not a chance! Hahaha
none of us is Nostradamus so the people saying their decisions are the right ones are the biggest fools among us. pick your horse, spend your money and cross your fingers.
Chris here - this is exactly right! Baseball and people are unpredictable.
100%. All we can do is roll the dice on what we believe is best and see what happens,
Great show guys! I think I would take a mid tier ohtani he is truly a generational player especially if he pitches well again.
Ohtani just doesn’t seem human, does he?
Chris here - after this weekend, I think in need MORE Ohtani!
Scott, we need to talk about your background flair…
Excellent topic suggestion!
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Traded my 2011 Topps Update Trout PSA 10 for 2022 bowman chrome sapphire aqua /99 Jrod PSA 10 plus 💵 before Mike plummeted!
The SP-Aqua or regular?
@@Bravetrain13 regular
That was a bad trade imho. To each their own
@@ayeitskq Nice. If you’re happy with it, that’s all that matters.
@@tubenachos you don’t even know how much cash he got along with the card?lmao
Chase Utley going into the HOF makes me disappointed in the HOF. Way less than 2000 hits. He’s a WAR darling, but I don’t understand why, Biggio had a similar WAR, but had a much better career and was a much better defender. The only thing Utley was exceptional at was getting hit by pitches.
Doesn’t Biggio hold the career record for HBP???
Yes, last I knew Biggio held the record, but I’m not sure what you’re implying.
I actually agree with you Keith in a lot of ways, but it is how the HOF has evolved. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the future!
I remember hearing time and time again growing up, the Hall is for the greatest players ever, it’s not the “hall of very good.” Well, now it seems like it’s becoming more and more like the hall of very good.
I have ZERO problem with Utley as a player, the dude was incredible in the 2009 World Series. Obviously was a very good player, but 16 years in the league is long time to have counting stats that just aren’t that impressive, especially compared to other members of the hall.
@@thekeithy4999Think Chris is just saying that the one thing you say Utley excelled at was still something that Biggio did better.
Hall of Very Good to me for Utley.
pretty sure Michael Jordan proves that being clutch is a real thing. different sport i know but still. i think its all about how a person deals with pressure. pressure busts pipes, lol
Chris here - basketball is different like you said. Just a man and the hoop.
In baseball you can relax, stay calm, identify the pitch, good swing, barrel it up, hit it 110mph and still be out, then get gold you choked.
You can also get beat by a great pitch, shatter your bat and have a pop up drop in to a perfect spot and be told you “came through.”
It’s a crazy game.
@SpitballinCards aint that the truth. i really enjoy the dynamic of a pitcher verses a batter in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line. the most clutch hitter against the most clutch pitcher and a bloop single and an error ends the game, lol.
Everybody hypes players to much, but baseball has a way of humbling you. Ask any real player, thats why you're a great player when you actually only succeed 30% of the time. In most anything else that would say you are a failure. Humility... come catch it.
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Yep! Thanks for watching and commenting!
The man crush bald Mookie and Goldshit 😅 I would pass on Ohtani I would get. Great show gents. Like the just talk about it
I’m allowed to do so as a fellow bald man 😂. Thanks for watching!
Chris here - pass on Ohtani?!
I hope Corbin Carroll can get out of this slump. I am not giving up on him just yer. I am more worried about Acuna as he has been in the game a lot longer and these guys are running my blood pressure up worrying lol!
I would worry more about Corbin than Acuna. Acuna is clearly just experiencing a bad slump. Corbin could be damaged goods.
I worry a lot less about Acuna because he’s still hitting the ball hard. Carroll is not. And the team has dropped him in the lineup. Big red flag.
@@SpitballinCards My logical mind knows You are right but my spirit is trying to keep the hope alive. Corbin was my favorite player when he came up and to end like this...The universe is cruel :(.
@@joerussell9574 it’s not over!! But it might be something physical. We don’t know. But he’s got a smaller track record so concern is warranted. If you believe in him, might be a buying opportunity. Maybe. MAYBE.
well He Hit One Tonight so maybe he seen this or GOD did. Ozzie Albies has a 15 game Hit streak
More likely Acuna…
Albies has been great so far this season!
Great stuff guys! Give me Ohtani and the hairline all day long. Comes down to...the HOF is littered with Goldschmidt type players that have been forgotten or given no love (Eddie Murray for example). Ohtani is going to be remembered for a LONG TIME in my opinion.
Agreed. Thanks for watching and commenting!
That is a great point, but if Eddie Murray had a Bowman Chrome auto red /5 I’d have to imagine it would still be a 10k+ card right?
@scottiebcards2354 True. Guess it goes back to collect what and who you like ;-)
I have nothing against Ohtani, but hasn't he been struggling with injuries since year 1? Trout was supposed to be the goat but started with the injury bug 6 or 7 years in, I just don't want to dump that much into Ohtani for what he could be, when I know it could easily turn into what could have been.
There were no injuries in his 2021 MVP season and 2022 MVP runner up season.
Both players have already been quite a lot.
Chris here - Ohtani has so much talent it’s impossible for me not to want his cards. We’ll be talking about him forever.
On another episode you guys talking about “Staying Power.” I think Ohtani is very much intertwined with that phrase.
I don’t know if we will ever see a player like him in our lifetime. He truly is, a 1/1
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Lol the clutch comment. Yes sample size is big enough of course
Chris here - players can only control what they can control. Hit a ball hard and hope for the best.
Totally agree! We all know Ohtani will be fine over 162 and 10+ years!
Trade in for GUNNAR
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Just mad cause Soto cards are in the dollar bin😂
Bwahahahahahahaha....... Spare Us.
That thumbnail is just wrong...lol
lol just noticed it now
I mean according to Fangraphs 162 on pace metric he is only projected at this same pace for 6 HR 😂. Triple A is a joke obviosuly. Acuna will crush these metrics once he gets right!
@@scottiebcards2354 I need it sooner rather than later. Without his normal performance, it's like watching a whole different game.
Chris here - I can’t even look at this thumbnail. Hopefully it’ll look as dumb as I think it will by august.
Hopefully Acuna doesn't do a Vladdy who in 2021 looked like he was about to go to the moon but now looks to have a Gleyber Torres feel about him. Acuna is a young man with a lot of money and fame and he might be living his best life off the park and baseball is coming second right now. I would buy Acuna but the one thing that worries me is that the hobby focus is continually on the next hottest prospect(s) and there's only so much money that can go around. Even if he starts mashing tomorrow and wins another MVP there's no guarantee that his prices go up again in a meaningful way. Are Juan Soto cards going up? They should be. He may be another victim of the hobby's appetite for the next man up. It's crazy stuff. In short Acuna might think he's already achieved what he set out to do( become extremely wealthy and famous) and he's going to be in cruise control from time to time.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment! You'd hope Acuna wouldn't be satisfied -- and he definitely seems frustrated with how he is playing --- but you never know.
This new garbage are horrible investments
Chris here - there are a lot of bad ultra modern investments out there for sure.
Can't take the comments too seriously - people are generally invested either via cards, Fantasy, or it's their favored team. Not exactly objective.
I'll buy some nice Elly stuff... in a couple of months or during the offseason. Has buying someone on a turbo ascension ever worked out for anyone? I honestly cannot think of one time.
@@Bravetrain13 According to 130point, last comp on Independence Day parallel was 600. The one before that was 810, and the one before that was 785.
It's also not 2018 - the independence day parallels have been ugly and not very sought after for years. Then add in the fact that he is going to end up having rookies in how many sets?
The math don't add up. 0% chance people don't end up losing money on these cards in the short and long term.
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I had 130point sorted by highest, my bad. The most recent comp was only double the 300 that you originally quoted.
If you truly believe that the ridiculous number of increased sets won't and hasn't already cannibalized the prices of the 'traditional' high end cards then I don't know what to tell you. If you got in early on Elly, good for you. But my original point stands - this is NOT a good time to buy Elly. You came in with some made-up comp #s and here we are.
@@Bravetrain13 Please wow us some more with your high IQ strategy of 'Buy players when they are at their absolute highest'. I'm sure that works out really well for you.
The most recent comp was 600. We can agree on that, right? I told you I had the sorting wrong. 600 is NOT close to 300. If you think it is, feel free to sell me any high-cards you have at 50% comps.
You are proving my initial point - you hold Elly and getting mad because someone took the extremely reasonable position of not buying a player's cards when people are saying things like 'they are the best player in baseball' after one month of production. Be a dick all you want, I'm going to laugh when you holding that bag.
@@Bravetrain13 This is a comments section. Are you 5?
They appear to be deleting the comments (which isn't cool) so I'm done with this discussion. I'll buy your cards at a discount in the offseason.
@@Bravetrain13 Buying rookie cards during their rookie season is almost never a good idea. Doubly so when they are going absolutely bananas. Care to show one example where it has worked out?
I goofed on the sorting, which I admitted you muppet. You straight up claimed you can buy these cards for half of the most recent comp. That's called LYING.
Thousands? I thought it was a couple of hundred dollars each? Good luck on your Psych project champ. And thanks for continuing to prove my point - the only people who feel super strongly either way about a particular player are people with skin in the game.
You hear how Scottie mentioned moving some Mookie Betts, even though he was NL Player of the Month? He actually understands the game. And the floor of Mookie is roughly 10x of Elly so yeah.
Watching out of shape card collectors say Acuna sucks doesn’t sit right. He had literally the single best season I’ve seen in my 46 years just last season
Chris here - Acuna is a phenomenal baseball player, who just had a bad month. Probably the worst of his career. Great buying opportunity IMO.
I said he’ll bust out and team will
Pay for this month.
And for the record, not all of us are out of shape.
Though Acuna is obviously in much, MUCH better shape lol
Personally I would dump and sell all Ohtani cards. Hes a gimmicky player. There is a very good reason why many do not support pitching and hitting. He was young previously, however he will start getting injured more often. This year he will suck, he's injured. Next year he will suck, as he will be recovering. Don't get scared about collecting pitchers. Luis Gil just recovered from TJ, and he's on fire. Stop using analytics to make final judgements on what cards to collect, use it as a tool but shouldnt be the end all. Pick your team, watch your players and you will be surprised on what you can predict.
If you’d like to trade me any Ohtani for Gil cards, hit me up on IG - @baseballcardaddict
I agree Braves suck and Acuña sucks great show 🎉😂😂😂❤❤❤
Chris here - what’s all this now??
Acuna hr for tonight. Bats warming up 👍 chop on 🪓
He just needed the ol' Spitballin' callout! 🤣
The Spitballin Jinx is a real thing! It’s almost poetic. Thanks for watching!