As far away as the movie was from the book, the recrutment officer is one thing that fits really well. It's easy to imagine them putting him there on purpose as a put off.
I dunno why but referring to the previous lore stuff arch have done, maybe he simply were born disfigured, insisted on serving, and so he got some fancy prosthethics along with a desk job!
Actually I think he was in the books in two separate sections. If I remember correctly then Rico bumped into him a long while afterwards and he had all sorts of fancy prosthetics on that allowed him to act normally like everyone else. The gig at the recruiting station was intended just to scare people off.
@@Fingered22 It was later the same day, not exactly a long while, after Rico's evaluation and assignment, and as Sgt. Ho was about to head home after work.
@@Elenrai His dialogue in the book implies he lost both legs and an arm testing experimental space suits in extreme cold. And by extreme cold, we mean Pluto or one of the moons of Uranus or Neptune, don't remember that exact detail off the top of my head.
@@Fingered22 Yeah his intention was to soberingly discourage people from joining up. The Federation and its military only want people that are 100 percent willing and so they try to discourage continuation and make quitting federal service very easy with the only penalty being that you can not apply again. This ensures that those who remain and graduate are highly motivated individuals. If memory serves the book states that the federation purposefully put maimed and disfigured citizens on the main desks for this very reason to show that federal service is a hard and great personal sacrifice.
@@crypto1223 Thats why Morita assault rifle has 160 rounds of 7.62x51mm ammunition and 16rounds of 8gauge shotgun shells and firepower increase from next generations of Morita assault rifles, well as trooper has combat knife(s?), pistols and i somehow recall seeing thermal detonators/frag grenades somewhere, so plenty of firepower to do the carving and then some!
@@Hellsong89 Are you sure it is enough? Just to be safe I'm gonna get one of those battlesuits! OK! If it tries to run give a caller and I'll take care of it!
@@Hellsong89 You forgot the nuclear 2kT submunitions thrower mounted on every piece of powered armor, even the "Scout" variant. Rico and his team level a skiny-city in the very beginning of the book with those.
As far as i remember Rico gets whiped for "killing" another trooper in a simulation when he activates a simulated nuke without calculating the area of effect before pushing the button.
Cool, they took a simulated scenario as an actual event of friendly fire, and punished accordingly. That should keep the recruits from being desensitized from their actions in simulations.
@@crypto1223 He was lucky, MI thought he had potential, so he was flogged. Had he been trailing in his training he would have recieved a Dishonerable Discharge rather than Field Punishment.
@@crypto1223 They also use live ammunition mixed in with training blanks (about one in 200 rounds) with instructors trying to hit them while training to move in cover under fire. And if they thought the trainees weren’t taking it seriously, they’d increase the ratio of live rounds
The Canine Corp has one very unpleasant consequence of the nature of the relationship between the handler and dog. It's mentioned in the book that if the handler is killed, they simply shoot the dog, and that it would be much easier if they could just shoot the handler if the dog is killed. The recruiting officer Rico goes through (who's missing both legs, one arm, and a large part of his FACE) explains he was a handler. In the MI, not only does everyone fit to drop drop in every drop their unit is involved in, the drops go in rank order from top to bottom. And yes, this does result in a disproportionately high casualty rate among the officers, particularly the senior officers. This results in both a high rate of promotion in the MI officer ranks, and most officers having to juggle multiple duty positions, because there are never enough officers in any formation after it begins to engage in any serious combat. The various formations also have a very British flavor to them. Like the traditional British Regiments, each formation has traditions, ranks, and even decorations unique to it. One formation Rico is in for a while (until it is retired from use for a while because it lost too many people at once, and the survivors are distributed as veteran replacements to other formations) has a tradition of wearing a gold skull earring, with a short chain dangling from it with a bundle of gold bones on the end, one for each drop the wearer has survived in the formation. Rico is rather proud of his when he gets it, and it marks his full acceptance by the other members of the formation, because he's now actually gone into combat and come out the other side alive. Combat is also not seen as honorable or noble. It is viewed as a grim necessity if humanity is to survive in a hostile universe. There's a reason that recruiting officer was so extensively maimed. They don't blow any sunshine up your skirt when you're recruited. They want you to be fully aware that you may very well get crippled or killed and they want to be very in your face about it. There's also no compunction about doing what is viewed as expedient. The book opens with Rico in a terror drop against the Skinnies, a humanoid race with some kind of alliance with the Arachnids that the Federation is trying to break. By hurting them for having it. The MI (who in the books wear power armor festooned with weapon systems of many kinds) drop into a Skinny city for the express purpose of causing as much mayhem and suffering as they possibly can, which is a LOT. Yes, they are INTENTIONALLY attacking civilians, and they're doing it because they believe (correctly, as it happens) that it will work. (By the end of the book, the Federation has concluded that cleaning Arachnids out of any world they've seriously infested isn't worth the effort, and are building an immense weapons platform to simply destroy such worlds, Death Star style. They've long since concluded that this is a war of extermination, and it doesn't bother them in the least to win such a war.)
@Zack Ceasar The flying is a significant part of why they take so many casualties. Flying means not being in any sort of cover and being exposed to anti-air defense systems that are pretty much irrelevant to infantry on the ground. This is why real-world jet packs were never developed beyond early test models. (The lack of endurance could have been improved a huge amount, but there's no feasible way to armor a soldier against the kind of fire they would be expected to attract flying above a battlefield.)
@@Morgomir09 particle beams that can cut a trooper in armor in half with a single shot. And the casualty ratio mentioned in the book is about 10000:1 in favor of the humans and they're still losing the war, implying the actual troop ratio is far higher.
To be fair on the injured guy refusing medical leave- a guy I know who is a US army veteran had a buddy who took an RPG to his vehicle and barely survived and had a good chunk of his skull replaced decide to stay on the front lines, later he got shot twice and still refused. He felt he hadn't served enough and thought he could serve more. They Almost decided to kick him out but didn't. So it's not that unrealistic. This was pre-joining the army iirc too. He was a marine first then just decided to swap branches because "I heard the army has better tasting crayons"
It always takes a bit longer to upload one of these! first you contest the copyright strike (the rights owner of starship troopers are awesome people btw and release it within minutes) then ask RUclips if i can "pretty please monetize the video with the bad bird in it?" Oh! also the membership will be up as soon as RUclips deigns to flip the switch!
RUclips doesn’t know that the eagle is a damn ancient symbol of republics and empires. It says more about their historical and moral failings in their censorious behavior.
Best thing about all the modern screeching and mania around this franchise is that the book is from 1959. Less than 14 years after the end of World War 2 and 43 years after “the war to end all wars” In that sense Heinlein literally lived through and took first hand influence from those events and the direct social and monetary costs that were required to fight them. (hell, his experiences in themselves make for quite interesting reading). Then 60 years later a bunch of privileged weirdos point and call forth Godwin because a director used a certain style of clothing.
I'm loving the fact that you are doing lore videos for other series as well. Especially since Starship Troopers is where the entire concept of space marines originates from in the first place.
Actually, it predates Starship Troopers by more than 25 years. Bob Olsen's "Captain Brink and the Space marines" named the trope in 1932 and E.E. Smith's Lensman series already had power armor in 1947.
@@jsn1252 E E "Doc" Smiths idea of Space Marines was more like David Drakes Hammer's Slammers than the Armor clad space marines of Starship Troopers.. All he can really get credit for is the name.
People who don't understand the mobile infantry: "Training with 1 out of 500 rounds a live round? Barbaric!" * Death Korps infantry trainers calmly go back to loading a fresh artillery shell for the next batch of recruits.
I remember my basic training. We were doing night infil training. Our DS's were firing 50cals with live rounds and tracers over our heads. The point being unless you actually experience being under fire, with rounds wizzing over your head, and explosions going off all around you, you would not be able to keep calm and cope with the situation.
@@Scaevola9449 I mean when your planets grows people like a factory and they don't value there lives it's kinda perfect for the military where the top brass at best will see it as a game to keep those numbers down
don't worry, in the book they all died off and we get a fascist utopia... eventually. (honestly I don't get why only those that hate it are allowed to dictate it's value and effects on society)
@@PelagiustheGrey Oh you are a minority? Im guessing you must be white then... since most of the world's population is black, asian, or latino... you know, cause they have entire continents where they are the majority?
@none none Hah, so you are banking on corporate america maintaining this safe space bubble? If it's a survival thing, then let the welfare state collapse. I'm sure the end you will see isn't the one you are hoping for.
The books government is a bit different from the movies. It's also based on something most civilians don't realize about military and law enforcement personnel. Yes, their are individuals that join for a sense of power and the opportunity to kill, they are not the majority and never have been. Most that enlist though do so out of a sense of duty to serve and protect, to not just country but also community. This is why Heinlien talks about the need for understanding morality and history, is Arch explains so well. But that's just an assumption based on what I know about Robert Heinlien.
maybe but the idiot puts so much faith in these people for instance collective punishment and letting teachers beat there students is encouraging them to act like psychos violence against children should never be done by some asshole who took a teaching job
@@marley7868, maybe I am dense, but I do not recall that anywhere in the book? For the record, I was spanked by the principle of my school and had may hand slapped with a steel-edged ruler by a teacher. I do not think that corporal punishment encourages children to act like psychos.
@@edwardsummey8843 no corporal punishment lets teacher act like cunts to there pupils (who ya gonna believe the student through a punch or the teachers making shit up) collective punishment lets an asshole who doesn't care drag others down with him and piss them off
Well a lot of people don't understand law. They literally think things like entrapment means than an undercover police officer has to tell you they are a cop if asked. That's why you got people like Akilia that still thinks Sargon stole her work from RUclips. Granted there are those that shout "that's illegal" with no grounds other than they think it is or should be.
@@marley7868 not to mention given the woke curriculum these days. Can you imagine getting beaten for answer 4 instead of 5 on a basic math problem 2+2=? Or how about having to do a full page report on how your parents or grandparents are awful people and you should be punished for their crimes, and get beaten because you weren't apologetic enough.
However, you're likely going to run into the kind of person who thinks that any sort of physical punishment is child abuse, no matter how light. I'd say that's why there's a bunch of lunatic children running around killing people outside.
It goes deeper than that. Theach your children to behave, by whatever means you figure would work best. And if, for all that, they still go and commit a punishable offense - the child gets whipped in public, and you get whipped alongside them because you failed at parenting.
The mum says to the child stop playing by the road, the child ignores and keep playing by the road, she tells the child one more time to move, the child continues to ignore and play despite being able to clearly hear. The mother then slaps the childs arse a good one, and the child runs screaming away from the road. Better to listen in the first place, and made to understand, but second to that is to take the quick lesson from a whooping, if necessary, and learn that way than to remain ignorant and the world or a car teaches you a much harsher lesson than a smacked arse.
I first read Starship Troopers in the early 80s, I loved it. I own several copies of the paperback with the different cover art. No one who has actually read the novel could ever consider the Terran Federation fascist. I am glad that you are doing this series.
@@porkchopexpress07 He does. In fact, the post above your comment clearly shows these kind of implications by Heinlein. One of the ironic features of this book is that it advocates strongly against the idea of communism, however in the same manner the political ideology is determined to fail, Heinlein's "ideology" is based on the perfect rational human being. This book is so dumb besides some ideas like armed space suits. If you would not know the background of the author and his intentions - iRL -, you would think his book is satire. I am so glad the crazy Dutchman - although he had not even read the novel entirely, because of its boringness and hilariousity - unmasked this whole military theme as what it is.
@@Peter-vf3dl His ideology doesn't rely on human rationality any more than the United States or French Revolutionaries did. If that's your only criteria for "determined to fail." then what you're criticizing applies to any form of government.
The part I loved about the books was the wholesome feel that the federation had. The letters Mr Dubois sends to Rico throughout his service really made the federation seem like a close community.
Just waiting for the join USA-UK-Russian war against China. And seeing how expansionist China is becoming I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't very soon.
We need some of that "parent gets punished alongside their child, for the their childs crimes", I dislike parents who think it's the schools duty to disipline their children.
While I, as a former High School Teacher agree to a certain extent, the actual situation is, as it almost always is in the real world, far more nuanced. I taught for several years in a School in a less well off area. Many of the parents there were working multiple jobs simply to make ends meet. They could not afford child care, o the school was literally their only option if they wanted to keep a roof above their heads and food on the table. The point here is really that you need to look at things in both a more nuanced manner, and on a case by case basis rather than with blanket statements. The latter generally pushes many of the actually real problems under the carpet and ignores them. Those problems however are central to the main issue and need to be addressed. While there most certainly are parents who believe as you have indicated (I have met my fair share of them), they are not, in my experience, in the majority.
My favorite part of Starship Troopers is the higher you are in government you can receive far worse punishment for breaking laws and they actively search for corruption and wrong doing to punish, ensuring only those who truly desire to govern for the actual betterment of the people of the Federation. Maybe I am terrible for thinking this but maybe we need a sword of Damocles over our government representatives.
The idea, as Heinlein puts it, is accountability and self responsibility. The higher you are the more things you effect, the more power you wield, the more responsibility you have. Heinlein said in Starship Troopers, something to the effect of, the General would get the noose for the same offence that a private would get flogged. More responsibility means higher and much harsher penalties for the individuals actions. Politicians of today, I am sure, would think thrice of dabbling in corruptions and starting unjust wars if it meant their position could cost them their necks.
I have a question for you. Other than the fact that I see you often, what's with your obsession with snakes? Do you like snakes or something? Just curious
43:30 I had a buddy I ended up deploying with in 2009. He joined the Army because his wife did. His wife ended up cheating on him while we were deployed and she was back in the states. Moral of the story. Don't join up for a woman. If only he had watched Starship Troopers more.
Pretty much what happens in military with women, can't say it's rare with how much you hear about mass pregnancies when deployments start being handed out.
For some reason this sounds similar to the French Foreign Legion candidate program in some ways. Fulfill your term and you become a citizen. The training program is extremely intensive, they would send such soldiers to the worst zones of conflict towards the end of your service and if you survive, you are a citizen of French republic. Thank you as always, wonderful upload.
Tbh France would benefit a lot from routing their naturalized citizenship exclusively through the FFL. In France the amount of citizens who are explicitly not culturally French in the slightest is deeply concerning and will undoubtedly be the downfall of their Republic.
Mandatory military service for people with mandatory citizenship: Free democracy. Volunteer citizenship in exchange for volunteer military service: Fascism Leftists actually keep arguing that..
Rightards: huurr durr go military obey the boot, lick the boot, only then citizenship, hail fuhrer, nice eagle, hurr durr (glue eating sounds) Leftists: if you want to tax me and take my money I should have a right to vote.
@@justiceforjoggers2897 I mean he's right with the example the names are aweful though should be cowards: "obey state" any with half a brain "fuck you you took my money i'm involved"
@@marley7868 Exactly. Right now I see a lot of cowards who want me to pay taxes and labor to support their tyrannical whims and die, of course, that guy isn't going to acknowledge Progressives and Communists as the bad guy because he doesn't want to give up that he's a Fascist.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz In my opinion the Federation is pretty accountable, the citizens vote to elect new leaders or re-elect incumbents, and there's separation of powers, military leaders are also accountable, they're not eternal or plenipotentiary, making impossible the birth of a military dictatorship. I know most people don't like the idea of reserving franchise to a certain type of person, and literally banning the majority of individuals from political power, they don't understand that citizens deserve the franchise because they have been willing and are willing to put everything they have in the line to serve and protect their society, their family and loved ones. There is also a notable absence of oppressive taxation, or restrictions on speech, religion or association, and also a high level of access to information.
@@cesargonzalez4146 oh, I agree. Obviously the book idealizes it a but, but the system of govt proposed is very good, and held to account. Only cotizens can vote, but ANYONE can become a citizen, regardless of things such as physical disability. They'll find something for you to do for 2 years. I wouldnt be the least bit upset if that became the way things are.
@@Jdne199311 I thought his point was he discovered warhammer because of Arch. Never knew about star sip troopers but because Arch has posted it he is looking into it. That's where I thought he was coming from.... but I am not a part of the Inquisiton so to be fair I am easily misled...
I don't know about Warhammer, but Warhammer 40k is like if someone ripped off Starship Troopers while simultaneously ripping off roman history (and many many more), and then acting like they single handedly created the space military genre.
Thanks for producing a video that presents the actual content of the BOOK. Back when I first read "Starship Troopers", I was serving in the military and was wishing our service, our society and government, were a lot more like it. Why? Because it made SENSE.
I think killing someone over just looting entirely too merciful. Ruining their life by exposing them or getting them arrested is a fate worse than death.
I'm reminded of the stories I've read from WW1 logistics corps' they often saw more artillery fire than the men on the front lines as the enemy would shell the bejesus out of the roads to try and limit supply to the front, and unlike the guys squating on the front the logistics corps didn't have a trench for cover.
The biggest flaw I see possibly cropping up in this society is if there ever aren't enough willing volunteers to serve to defend it from another force. If that scenario occurs the federation has a hard choice between adhering to its principles and going down on them or violating its principles and forcing unwilling civilians into service which could save it from takeover but would spawn a massive moral crisis in the aftermath That aside the idea that in order to exercise power over a society you must be willing to sacrifice yourself for it is a pretty logical one
I think its been long enough not the concept of military service(?) As a shorter tho more dangerous way to gain citizenship then the others kinda helps that plus the federation is multiple planets full of ppl and some of those places have an even greater civilian to citizen population, in favor of citizens, so they can pull from those places but even before that there has been enough time that socially serving the community is seen as a virtue even if it is discouraged person to person so it's kinda a toss up
If there is a shortage of people willing to enlist in the military then that means civic virtue and patriotism is long gone replaced by decadence and entitlement. Meaning Society has been going down the drain gradually and military recruits are the least of the worry. Similar to the US army recruit shortages nowadays...the country is comming apart at the seams.
@@stuka80 or maybe maybe the civilians or a planet just doesn't like the skymarshal not everything is about the "worthiness of your population" usually it's your leader being a c*nt
@stuka80 As an Englishman, I always giggle at that. A small army in peacetime is why we became freemen in the first place. But then again, George Washington needes a nice big army in case any 2A militias came a-knockin with a crown.
"a society that cannot rally it's citizens to its own defense has no right to exist," No country fighting on its own soil has ever had a problem finding people willing to defend their homes and the ones that did had already gone down the crapper.
@Johnny Weedseed That's no joke. I used to live in a city where if you registered but didn't vote they would send you mail saying something like "we see you registered but did not vote". Twice I voted for someone on the right and twice I got the mail saying I didn't vote.
Trooper: "Who's a good boy?" K9: "It is I, I am the good boy." Also Trooper: "Whose a good boy?" K92: "I am a bitch, you would know this if you looked, but I am a good bitch, you know this to be true."
Curze lowered the crime rate to near zero by making everyone afraid to break the law. It worked. The planet became more productive than it ever had been on record.
"An armed society is a polite society." "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." "Men are not potatoes." These are three quotes I have carried with me since childhood. I read most of Heinlein's novels before I left high school.
@@edwardsummey8843 "Specialization is for insects." "Big boys dont cry, but men do." Fun fact; I was conceived about the same time that "Starship Troopers" was first published.Ten years later i was a rabid Heinlein fan and read everything translated in to Swedish. I learned to read in English so i could read the rest. Now collecting everything he wrote is on my bucket list. Afterwards i have realized that he was a sort of stand in for my absentee father.
It's nice to see someone talk about what is actually written in the book, instead of simply declaring it Fascist without reading it. God, I hate that movie as much as I love the book.
I mean the movie is actually a good piece of cinema that is a fair enough depiction. It's the director that can go suck a big fat rooster. Fortunately the guys doing the writing managed to do well inspite of the donkey in charge.
So, if you want a say in where your nation is going you first need to prove you are dedicated to it? Sounds like a damned fine idea to me, sign me up! (Armed Forces member for 14 years and counting)
Oh.... rightists everywhere. We've had so much as 2 world wars and they STILL like to be the cannon fodder for the ruling class. Voting rights stem from TAXATION. If a state (representing the ruling capitalist class) wants your TAXES it is obliged to give you voting rights. Otherwise - no money, no cash, no taxy taxy, no tolls, fees etc. etc.
@@JohnSmith-ez7ip if the government dose not just desided to take... what they beleave you owe of course. Don't forget the only reason you have to pay them taxs is because the government monopoly of force. Police, fbi, cia, nsa, and all the other acronyms. Governments get taxs because they have the means of force required to collect said taxs. Monopoly of force. They have trained armed violent people ready to do as I structed by the state for the state, and In the interest of the state alone. Voting is the illusion of control of the governing body that you are slave to because if you refuse you will suffer consequences.
@Pub Thumpin Heinlein's federation system is capitalist. Hence is basically the same we have, with the ruling class are the wealthy, they just put yet _Another_ barrier between people and voting rights. Yeah, of course, there are the all-unifying "ENEMY" the bugs, but you can call some nationality the all-unifying "ENEMY" and it would be basically the same. Ergo, we have the same system, where the deprivation of people's rights is mandated by the wealthy (see US military complex) by creating yet another barrier for people, allowing to throw people into the grinder. We're talking a 30ies dystopian society, excused by the "bugs" basically. Note, any government that tries to take away your rights and milk you for taxes is a fascist dystopian government that should be repelled with the force of free citizens as per US 2 amendment. And regarding "semper fidelis". The mere Idea of some uneducated low-class jarhead thrown to murder children for the sake of corporations 9000 miles away being more entitled to vote is ridiculous at its best. Their "faithfullness" is to the ruling class, they murder innocents, occupy other countries, bring misery to others so just that the fat cats can get more oil. Grinded down to having no free will and blindly execute orders as the boot-slaves they are. And opposing such tendencies of such people to take away the educated people's rights to vote is very important. Molon labe.
@@Josh-ye9ol The first part of your comment - I totally agree with you. The state is the instrument of oppression of the ruling class. That's understandable by anyone with an IQ above room temperature. The second part - not so much. In 1st world countries voting actually matters and voting does change policies. Like with the 2A for example.
@@JohnSmith-ez7ip Loving your own nation, culture and people is an inherently natural thing, so having to join a compulsory military service isn't exactly a bad thing unless it's corrupt to the point you don't even fight for the interests of the nation anymore so much as those of another country (1srael, anyone?). Crying about "muh world wars" won't change the fact that world peace is a pipe dream that will never happen unless you want to erase literally all cultures, history and r@ces outside your own as to minimize any potential conflicts, be it religious or otherwise, that could potentially lead up to a war. Welcome to the real world, lefties.
I would say that how you can get vote should be expanded to those you pay net taxes the idea of if your going to take my money then I should have a say what you do with it ( ps this is not a fascist state )
@@davedave8986 I like the idea of working people only getting rhe right to vote, but with period of 8 months remaining valid voter for people who lost jobs. Lazy Unemployed should only get "lesser vote" cause they are leeches of society
@@davedave8986 I agree that net taxpayers should elect the representatives who are entrusted with spending tax revenue. I’d argue that veterans/active-ready reservists maintaining a set standard of physical fitness, equipment, and training should be electing the commander-in-Chief. Tie the authority directly to the relevant responsibilities. And I’m not a veteran
You are quickly, quickly becoming one of my favorite RUclips personalities. Fun topics that you take with a neat mix of serious and sarcasm, but never insofar as being more than just a really, really interested fan.
3:30 That sounds like the Roman Republic, where your political career started by demonstrating your military excellence, except much more streamlined. Regarding 29:30, the Greek Paideia taught a similar idea with the Boar of Erimantus, that those without limits would become destructive to themselves and others.
sounds like the Greater Terran Union : where a emergency military coalition to a powerful world government with a mandatory 4 year military service and tier citizenship
Well a lot of civic systems we have this day can be traced through the Roman period. I recommend watch Invicta's channel. He does a great job explaining how they enforced rule and law back in the day and including electoral processes. The idea of Legal Experts, Civil Firefighter/Police force and examples on why and how.
Don't forget the mandatory interpretation to NEWSPEAK so it can be posted to Twatter. They have to use DOUBLETHINK so it is all one word, PEACEFULPROTEST.
Damn today is a good day on RUclips. The book was the single most influential bit of literature in my young life, I'm so happy it is getting attention.
That's a highly interesting theory of the state and citizenship. Always been a fan of the movie but didn't know the source material had that much philosophical substance. Thanks Arch, you lovely man! 👍
Even in a modern context it makes sense that there are no women in the mobile infantry. In universe, the mobile infantry are a frontline heavy combat unit with extreme physical demands. Roughly the equivalent of Army Rangers or Navy Seals. To this day not a single woman has passed the training required for these special forces units. This isn't for a lack of trying either many women have attended ranger school, but so far none have passed. Please note I am not saying women should not be soldiers. I have served next to very capable and badass women in the military. However the physical demands of serving, especially in combat roles, make it more difficult for women to succeed in those roles.
I find your timing on this subject fortuitous on my part. I just finished listening to the audio book and watched all five movies(2nd and 3rd being the hardest to watch). I am very intrigued by Robert's vision of the Federation and why and how it is successful. I did find it interesting that that Robert thought up that they had a branch of mathematics that allowed for proving some concepts. It reminded me a bit of Asimov's Foundation series (Psychohistory). I wait eagerly for your next installment that covers the pros and cons of Robert's system of governance. One thing that is either visionary on his part or just applicable to our age is the concept of is the use of corporal punishment. I remembered getting spanked as a child by either my parents or school administration (for something bad I did in second grade) and now see the lack of it in early education or parenting. In today's American society (I do not know of other culture's view of this), we are afraid to discipline our children this way because it now viewed negatively and people tend to think of it as abusive rather than thinking of it as a tool).
About that time was when "scientific" government...not quite on the socialist model, but the idea that it was possible to create a "science of government" in one form or another was VERY popular about the time that Henlein wrote this book. (And, remember, by his own words, this was a book written in REJECTION of Communism, Fascism, and Socialism.)
One fallacy in this video is that Rico is not whipped for using his optics in training, he is whipped for not using them, which results in his weapon to shoot low and simulates killing a fellow trooper. Also corporal punishment was partially left up to commanders discretion, as when the recruit punches Zim in the mouth. The officer could have hanged the recruit but chose lashes.
Even just listening to this, one can't help to wonder how prophetic this book is, especially with what is currently happening in our modern world... Strange times, we are living in. Hopefully, there is no hostile race of space bugs in the future. Why? I currently live in the country that is in the trajectory of the bugs' space rock.
As modern assault rifles are gas operated for the recoil system they need some sort of attachment in the barrel to block the easy discharge of gas and force it through the recoil system. If the Terran Federation rifles are anything like that then that 1 live round among 500 blank would blow the attachment off the end of the rifle and bugger it up. It also says that they don't load their own ammo into magazines as blank and live ammo look different and are easy to distinguish at a glance or feel. The only way I can think of is if the Terran Federation's rifle uses something like a Metal Storm system with electricly fired rounds that come in a block, load into the weapon all at once.
27:30 This is precisely what my parents, most people grandparents, today talk about as far as disciplining the children. When simply "saying so" or even reason (to be used sparingly and for only specific causes) in not enough, "That's a paddlin'". What we have today is Government, usually at the behest of "Do-gooders" and "Buttinskis" imposing their personal ideas and ideals on a parent-child relationship that is anything but "Cosby show" perfect. When and outsider may read as abuse is "training up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old he shall not depart from it. (Proverbs 22:6)" As a result, Parents are literally afraid to properly rein in and discipline their children. And we get gangs, leftist revolutionaries, Anarchists, the willfully ignorant, and all assortment of ne'er-do-well and villain.
In the books it was the government's responsibility and obligation to find a suitable job for ANYONE who wanted to complete a term of federal service to get the franchise , no matter their race , sex , or disability. And it had to be a suitable job that they could actually do , even if someone was quadriplegic they would find a useful job they could do for their term of service , even if it was just acting as a receptionist and blowing into a straw to buzz people into a door if they have a valid ID card.
Something that I have discovered; after watching this video the first time I decided to read this book. So in my search I have come to the grimm discovery that there are no new copies of this novel anywhere here in my country, the only way tl get one is either used or to import it.
The more I hear about the Federation the more I wish it was reality. I don’t even care that I might not be worthy of the franchise. I crave a world that preaches duty and responsibility; whereas all I get now is an endless one sided, self serving and conveniently endless list of “rights.” Everyone wants more and more of everything for nothing and want so serve nothing. I’m in hell and I want out.
That argument doesn't work for one specific reason taxation depending on where you live heavy taxation remember what happened the last time people were taxed without representation oh we had this little thing called the American revolution the Terran federation works because the government operates with an incredibly light touch statistically that wouldn't really happen in the real world
Truly I would prefer this federation society over what’s happening in ours right now. At least you earn your keep. Instead of being too entitled to it. Duty and responsibility.
In my head canon, the United citizens federation is a space stratocracy that had the human earth colony dealing with self stability and such elites that rule this earth created a greater inequality with its working class citizens. That such a group of veterans and dredd judges decide to govern one nation and then another. Inspired partly by zeons independence movement, elysiums hoarded med bed access and over populated rebooted citizenry, and the chaos of rivaling inside nations of the earth that instead of uniting. Only want to dominate one another. And the fact the elites never had to deal with sacrificing alongside with their soldiers.
Looters were probably rioters and arsonists, too. It wouldn't be surprising if they also murdered people to steal shit from them. It was a time of extreme civil unrest, after all. And if the blm riots where "mostly peaceful arsons" and "mostly peaceful looting" occurred during a time of *minor* civil unrest, I understand why Heinlein wrote that the veterans thought hanging "looters" was fine.
If the UFC (Terrin Federation) was, in fact, Militarian, then all of the soldiers' chin straps would be secured squarely upon their chins at "Muster" (standing at attention for inspection)...
In medieval euro, some place has no resource to maintain a large police force, so whoever they caught will be punished publicly to sent an message to other would be criminals
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As far away as the movie was from the book, the recrutment officer is one thing that fits really well. It's easy to imagine them putting him there on purpose as a put off.
I dunno why but referring to the previous lore stuff arch have done, maybe he simply were born disfigured, insisted on serving, and so he got some fancy prosthethics along with a desk job!
Actually I think he was in the books in two separate sections. If I remember correctly then Rico bumped into him a long while afterwards and he had all sorts of fancy prosthetics on that allowed him to act normally like everyone else. The gig at the recruiting station was intended just to scare people off.
@@Fingered22 It was later the same day, not exactly a long while, after Rico's evaluation and assignment, and as Sgt. Ho was about to head home after work.
@@Elenrai His dialogue in the book implies he lost both legs and an arm testing experimental space suits in extreme cold.
And by extreme cold, we mean Pluto or one of the moons of Uranus or Neptune, don't remember that exact detail off the top of my head.
@@Fingered22 Yeah his intention was to soberingly discourage people from joining up. The Federation and its military only want people that are 100 percent willing and so they try to discourage continuation and make quitting federal service very easy with the only penalty being that you can not apply again. This ensures that those who remain and graduate are highly motivated individuals. If memory serves the book states that the federation purposefully put maimed and disfigured citizens on the main desks for this very reason to show that federal service is a hard and great personal sacrifice.
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But they can still push it with their other hand! And toes, and their tongues. I have to carve a bitch up to keep them from pushing a button!
@@crypto1223 Thats why Morita assault rifle has 160 rounds of 7.62x51mm ammunition and 16rounds of 8gauge shotgun shells and firepower increase from next generations of Morita assault rifles, well as trooper has combat knife(s?), pistols and i somehow recall seeing thermal detonators/frag grenades somewhere, so plenty of firepower to do the carving and then some!
@@Hellsong89 Are you sure it is enough?
Just to be safe I'm gonna get one of those battlesuits!
OK! If it tries to run give a caller and I'll take care of it!
@@Hellsong89 You forgot the nuclear 2kT submunitions thrower mounted on every piece of powered armor, even the "Scout" variant. Rico and his team level a skiny-city in the very beginning of the book with those.
@Action Speaks Louder Than Words SO MUCH THIS 😄😄😄
As far as i remember Rico gets whiped for "killing" another trooper in a simulation when he activates a simulated nuke without calculating the area of effect before pushing the button.
Yeah, he gets flogged for gestimting.
Yep, Mobile Infantry doesn’t mess around with professional standards or friendly casualty
Cool, they took a simulated scenario as an actual event of friendly fire, and punished accordingly. That should keep the recruits from being desensitized from their actions in simulations.
@@crypto1223 He was lucky, MI thought he had potential, so he was flogged. Had he been trailing in his training he would have recieved a Dishonerable Discharge rather than Field Punishment.
@@crypto1223 They also use live ammunition mixed in with training blanks (about one in 200 rounds) with instructors trying to hit them while training to move in cover under fire. And if they thought the trainees weren’t taking it seriously, they’d increase the ratio of live rounds
The Canine Corp has one very unpleasant consequence of the nature of the relationship between the handler and dog. It's mentioned in the book that if the handler is killed, they simply shoot the dog, and that it would be much easier if they could just shoot the handler if the dog is killed. The recruiting officer Rico goes through (who's missing both legs, one arm, and a large part of his FACE) explains he was a handler.
In the MI, not only does everyone fit to drop drop in every drop their unit is involved in, the drops go in rank order from top to bottom. And yes, this does result in a disproportionately high casualty rate among the officers, particularly the senior officers. This results in both a high rate of promotion in the MI officer ranks, and most officers having to juggle multiple duty positions, because there are never enough officers in any formation after it begins to engage in any serious combat.
The various formations also have a very British flavor to them. Like the traditional British Regiments, each formation has traditions, ranks, and even decorations unique to it. One formation Rico is in for a while (until it is retired from use for a while because it lost too many people at once, and the survivors are distributed as veteran replacements to other formations) has a tradition of wearing a gold skull earring, with a short chain dangling from it with a bundle of gold bones on the end, one for each drop the wearer has survived in the formation. Rico is rather proud of his when he gets it, and it marks his full acceptance by the other members of the formation, because he's now actually gone into combat and come out the other side alive.
Combat is also not seen as honorable or noble. It is viewed as a grim necessity if humanity is to survive in a hostile universe. There's a reason that recruiting officer was so extensively maimed. They don't blow any sunshine up your skirt when you're recruited. They want you to be fully aware that you may very well get crippled or killed and they want to be very in your face about it. There's also no compunction about doing what is viewed as expedient. The book opens with Rico in a terror drop against the Skinnies, a humanoid race with some kind of alliance with the Arachnids that the Federation is trying to break. By hurting them for having it. The MI (who in the books wear power armor festooned with weapon systems of many kinds) drop into a Skinny city for the express purpose of causing as much mayhem and suffering as they possibly can, which is a LOT. Yes, they are INTENTIONALLY attacking civilians, and they're doing it because they believe (correctly, as it happens) that it will work. (By the end of the book, the Federation has concluded that cleaning Arachnids out of any world they've seriously infested isn't worth the effort, and are building an immense weapons platform to simply destroy such worlds, Death Star style. They've long since concluded that this is a war of extermination, and it doesn't bother them in the least to win such a war.)
@Zack Ceasar the bugs have plasma cannons and lasers, and there are 1000 of them for every MI
@Zack Ceasar The flying is a significant part of why they take so many casualties. Flying means not being in any sort of cover and being exposed to anti-air defense systems that are pretty much irrelevant to infantry on the ground. This is why real-world jet packs were never developed beyond early test models. (The lack of endurance could have been improved a huge amount, but there's no feasible way to armor a soldier against the kind of fire they would be expected to attract flying above a battlefield.)
@@Morgomir09 particle beams that can cut a trooper in armor in half with a single shot. And the casualty ratio mentioned in the book is about 10000:1 in favor of the humans and they're still losing the war, implying the actual troop ratio is far higher.
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@@Morgomir09 I say kill em all!
To be fair on the injured guy refusing medical leave- a guy I know who is a US army veteran had a buddy who took an RPG to his vehicle and barely survived and had a good chunk of his skull replaced decide to stay on the front lines, later he got shot twice and still refused. He felt he hadn't served enough and thought he could serve more. They Almost decided to kick him out but didn't. So it's not that unrealistic.
This was pre-joining the army iirc too. He was a marine first then just decided to swap branches because "I heard the army has better tasting crayons"
It always takes a bit longer to upload one of these! first you contest the copyright strike (the rights owner of starship troopers are awesome people btw and release it within minutes) then ask RUclips if i can "pretty please monetize the video with the bad bird in it?" Oh! also the membership will be up as soon as RUclips deigns to flip the switch!
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RUclips doesn’t know that the eagle is a damn ancient symbol of republics and empires. It says more about their historical and moral failings in their censorious behavior.
Hey Arch there is a Starship Troopers TV show it’s called Roughnecks Starship Troopers Chronicles.
Have to say Arch. The Federation's past, at its inception. Doesn't sound too far off with "our", modern times, does it.
Do you think Federal Service could possibly work in our time? I love the concept.
Best thing about all the modern screeching and mania around this franchise is that the book is from 1959. Less than 14 years after the end of World War 2 and 43 years after “the war to end all wars”
In that sense Heinlein literally lived through and took first hand influence from those events and the direct social and monetary costs that were required to fight them. (hell, his experiences in themselves make for quite interesting reading).
Then 60 years later a bunch of privileged weirdos point and call forth Godwin because a director used a certain style of clothing.
Exactly.
I'm loving the fact that you are doing lore videos for other series as well.
Especially since Starship Troopers is where the entire concept of space marines originates from in the first place.
yup but tbh I`d prefer 2 videos a week instead no warhammer couse, well I come here for wh :p
Actually, it predates Starship Troopers by more than 25 years. Bob Olsen's "Captain Brink and the Space marines" named the trope in 1932 and E.E. Smith's Lensman series already had power armor in 1947.
@@jsn1252 Interesting, I'll have to look up those books. I really enjoy reading old scifi and fantasy
@@jsn1252 E E "Doc" Smiths idea of Space Marines was more like David Drakes Hammer's Slammers than the Armor clad space marines of Starship Troopers.. All he can really get credit for is the name.
@@ajobdunwell2585 I don't know why you think you're the arbiter of how "power armor-y" power armor has to be to count as power armor, but you're not.
Why does ALL of the beginning of this seem...
TOO DAMN REAL AND RELEVANT?!
It happened in the past and it will happen again in the future.
Nations rise and fall as they did since the beginning of Civilization.
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Shut up emperor constantine the first, you had your chance!
The protests of the Vietnam War are similar. The only thing is there is no war right now.
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No. There are several. A rumors of more.
People who don't understand the mobile infantry: "Training with 1 out of 500 rounds a live round? Barbaric!"
* Death Korps infantry trainers calmly go back to loading a fresh artillery shell for the next batch of recruits.
"ok there the death korps I don't question them"
Warhammer or anything even remotely alike it is not something to aspire to. This goes double for suicidal idiots like Kriegers.
I remember my basic training. We were doing night infil training. Our DS's were firing 50cals with live rounds and tracers over our heads. The point being unless you actually experience being under fire, with rounds wizzing over your head, and explosions going off all around you, you would not be able to keep calm and cope with the situation.
@@dralord1307 yeah the korps does the same except the crew is actively aiming at you
@@Scaevola9449 I mean when your planets grows people like a factory and they don't value there lives it's kinda perfect for the military where the top brass at best will see it as a game to keep those numbers down
"...it was due to large scale rioting, general unrest and upheaval in general societies..." *sees the world in 2020* **heavy sweating starts**
don't worry, in the book they all died off and we get a fascist utopia... eventually.
(honestly I don't get why only those that hate it are allowed to dictate it's value and effects on society)
Then we'll get to build the federation!
@@ArchivedFox that's what am saying fascism sounds alright. Nazism now that is bad because I am minority and would die.
@@PelagiustheGrey Oh you are a minority? Im guessing you must be white then... since most of the world's population is black, asian, or latino... you know, cause they have entire continents where they are the majority?
@none none Hah, so you are banking on corporate america maintaining this safe space bubble?
If it's a survival thing, then let the welfare state collapse.
I'm sure the end you will see isn't the one you are hoping for.
The books government is a bit different from the movies.
It's also based on something most civilians don't realize about military and law enforcement personnel. Yes, their are individuals that join for a sense of power and the opportunity to kill, they are not the majority and never have been. Most that enlist though do so out of a sense of duty to serve and protect, to not just country but also community. This is why Heinlien talks about the need for understanding morality and history, is Arch explains so well.
But that's just an assumption based on what I know about Robert Heinlien.
maybe but the idiot puts so much faith in these people for instance collective punishment and letting teachers beat there students is encouraging them to act like psychos violence against children should never be done by some asshole who took a teaching job
@@marley7868, maybe I am dense, but I do not recall that anywhere in the book? For the record, I was spanked by the principle of my school and had may hand slapped with a steel-edged ruler by a teacher. I do not think that corporal punishment encourages children to act like psychos.
@@edwardsummey8843 no corporal punishment lets teacher act like cunts to there pupils (who ya gonna believe the student through a punch or the teachers making shit up) collective punishment lets an asshole who doesn't care drag others down with him and piss them off
Well a lot of people don't understand law. They literally think things like entrapment means than an undercover police officer has to tell you they are a cop if asked. That's why you got people like Akilia that still thinks Sargon stole her work from RUclips. Granted there are those that shout "that's illegal" with no grounds other than they think it is or should be.
@@marley7868 not to mention given the woke curriculum these days. Can you imagine getting beaten for answer 4 instead of 5 on a basic math problem 2+2=? Or how about having to do a full page report on how your parents or grandparents are awful people and you should be punished for their crimes, and get beaten because you weren't apologetic enough.
Having received beatings in my childhood while being reminded of the reason for them, I personally think that they work within reason
However, you're likely going to run into the kind of person who thinks that any sort of physical punishment is child abuse, no matter how light.
I'd say that's why there's a bunch of lunatic children running around killing people outside.
"Go cut that willow switch" was a common threat in my household growing up.
It goes deeper than that. Theach your children to behave, by whatever means you figure would work best. And if, for all that, they still go and commit a punishable offense - the child gets whipped in public, and you get whipped alongside them because you failed at parenting.
The mum says to the child stop playing by the road, the child ignores and keep playing by the road, she tells the child one more time to move, the child continues to ignore and play despite being able to clearly hear. The mother then slaps the childs arse a good one, and the child runs screaming away from the road. Better to listen in the first place, and made to understand, but second to that is to take the quick lesson from a whooping, if necessary, and learn that way than to remain ignorant and the world or a car teaches you a much harsher lesson than a smacked arse.
I first read Starship Troopers in the early 80s, I loved it. I own several copies of the paperback with the different cover art.
No one who has actually read the novel could ever consider the Terran Federation fascist. I am glad that you are doing this series.
Heinlein considered the book's government fascist not that he was advocating fascism. Bit of nuance.
@@porkchopexpress07 He does. In fact, the post above your comment clearly shows these kind of implications by Heinlein. One of the ironic features of this book is that it advocates strongly against the idea of communism, however in the same manner the political ideology is determined to fail, Heinlein's "ideology" is based on the perfect rational human being. This book is so dumb besides some ideas like armed space suits.
If you would not know the background of the author and his intentions - iRL -, you would think his book is satire.
I am so glad the crazy Dutchman - although he had not even read the novel entirely, because of its boringness and hilariousity - unmasked this whole military theme as what it is.
@@Peter-vf3dl god I was losing hope scrolling through the comments below this annoying fash larping video
@@Peter-vf3dl His ideology doesn't rely on human rationality any more than the United States or French Revolutionaries did. If that's your only criteria for "determined to fail." then what you're criticizing applies to any form of government.
The part I loved about the books was the wholesome feel that the federation had. The letters Mr Dubois sends to Rico throughout his service really made the federation seem like a close community.
The collapse of civilization sounds eerily familiar. Widespread riots and unrest?...
Yup sounds like a demoralized people who've been destabilized and put Into a crisis. Just like they are now.
@Blue .Barrymore, there can be a difference. The Coronavirus caused unrest. BLM caused riots.
Veterans stepping in...i feel it could happen.
Just waiting for the join USA-UK-Russian war against China. And seeing how expansionist China is becoming I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't very soon.
@Blue .Barrymore, it did in June.
We need some of that "parent gets punished alongside their child, for the their childs crimes", I dislike parents who think it's the schools duty to disipline their children.
Kind of a problem when said children are the spawn of satan who are incapable of recognizing their own faults
@@lucasbeck1391 or are just psychos who don't care and want to see there parents suffer and won't care about getting punished to do it
@@lucasbeck1391 when you get whipped together with your parents publicly, you will recognize your fault.
@@cadeyrndragheim22 kinda extreme
While I, as a former High School Teacher agree to a certain extent, the actual situation is, as it almost always is in the real world, far more nuanced. I taught for several years in a School in a less well off area. Many of the parents there were working multiple jobs simply to make ends meet. They could not afford child care, o the school was literally their only option if they wanted to keep a roof above their heads and food on the table.
The point here is really that you need to look at things in both a more nuanced manner, and on a case by case basis rather than with blanket statements. The latter generally pushes many of the actually real problems under the carpet and ignores them. Those problems however are central to the main issue and need to be addressed. While there most certainly are parents who believe as you have indicated (I have met my fair share of them), they are not, in my experience, in the majority.
54:27... Noooo! I want to know more! * searches for red button to press *
My favorite part of Starship Troopers is the higher you are in government you can receive far worse punishment for breaking laws and they actively search for corruption and wrong doing to punish, ensuring only those who truly desire to govern for the actual betterment of the people of the Federation. Maybe I am terrible for thinking this but maybe we need a sword of Damocles over our government representatives.
That's not terrible, that's fully appropriate given our current government corruption
The literal point of the 2A. In case of political tyranny, our duty(and right) is to be armed, and to maintain the Free State.
You missed the point 😂 you did not take responsability thus you are not a citizien of the fédération.
The idea, as Heinlein puts it, is accountability and self responsibility. The higher you are the more things you effect, the more power you wield, the more responsibility you have. Heinlein said in Starship Troopers, something to the effect of, the General would get the noose for the same offence that a private would get flogged. More responsibility means higher and much harsher penalties for the individuals actions. Politicians of today, I am sure, would think thrice of dabbling in corruptions and starting unjust wars if it meant their position could cost them their necks.
“How did the old world collapse?”
“Well you see son, it began with a gorilla in a zoo...”
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Damn, been forever since I've seen a harambe meme in the wild. Dicks out bro
I have a question for you. Other than the fact that I see you often, what's with your obsession with snakes? Do you like snakes or something? Just curious
@@CBRN-115 look up the phrase "Don't tread on me".
@@CBRN-115 It's basically the gasden flags don't tread on me as a simplified meme
"And then there was this Orange pensioner"
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43:30 I had a buddy I ended up deploying with in 2009. He joined the Army because his wife did. His wife ended up cheating on him while we were deployed and she was back in the states. Moral of the story. Don't join up for a woman. If only he had watched Starship Troopers more.
If only he knew more
Pretty much what happens in military with women, can't say it's rare with how much you hear about mass pregnancies when deployments start being handed out.
Dames is trouble!
“Just barrack room gossip” I know firsthand how soldiers get frustrated and wishful without enough leave
Please tell me I'm not the only one upset that RUclips took down sargon's starship trooper vids
Of course they did.
Go figure
I feel you, luckily it still exists here in archive form. archive.org/details/ThePoliticsOfStarshipTroopers
RUclips does not desire for you to know more.
Wait, they did? They were incredibly good and balanced. How fucking dumb. God i hate google
"Knowledge is power, hide it well."
Why do I get the feeling most of the 80s action films set in the bear future were just 20 years off?
The backstory of the federation sounds scarily like a possible future right now...
What's the Revolt of The Scientists is about?
@@Joshua_N-A Fauci
For some reason this sounds similar to the French Foreign Legion candidate program in some ways. Fulfill your term and you become a citizen. The training program is extremely intensive, they would send such soldiers to the worst zones of conflict towards the end of your service and if you survive, you are a citizen of French republic.
Thank you as always, wonderful upload.
Tbh France would benefit a lot from routing their naturalized citizenship exclusively through the FFL. In France the amount of citizens who are explicitly not culturally French in the slightest is deeply concerning and will undoubtedly be the downfall of their Republic.
@simonnachreiner8380 so French colonialism was beneficial to the Republic, but if those colonies send its citizens to France, then there's a problem?
Mandatory military service for people with mandatory citizenship: Free democracy.
Volunteer citizenship in exchange for volunteer military service: Fascism
Leftists actually keep arguing that..
Yeah, it not like the economic ism a thing or anything like that.
Rightards: huurr durr go military obey the boot, lick the boot, only then citizenship, hail fuhrer, nice eagle, hurr durr (glue eating sounds)
Leftists: if you want to tax me and take my money I should have a right to vote.
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What a dumb take
@@justiceforjoggers2897 I mean he's right with the example the names are aweful though should be
cowards: "obey state"
any with half a brain "fuck you you took my money i'm involved"
@@marley7868
Exactly. Right now I see a lot of cowards who want me to pay taxes and labor to support their tyrannical whims and die, of course, that guy isn't going to acknowledge Progressives and Communists as the bad guy because he doesn't want to give up that he's a Fascist.
It's not the perfect government, but it's damn better than anything we have today, or in the past.
No govt will ever be perfect. But it can be fair, accountable, and accessible.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz In my opinion the Federation is pretty accountable, the citizens vote to elect new leaders or re-elect incumbents, and there's separation of powers, military leaders are also accountable, they're not eternal or plenipotentiary, making impossible the birth of a military dictatorship. I know most people don't like the idea of reserving franchise to a certain type of person, and literally banning the majority of individuals from political power, they don't understand that citizens deserve the franchise because they have been willing and are willing to put everything they have in the line to serve and protect their society, their family and loved ones. There is also a notable absence of oppressive taxation, or restrictions on speech, religion or association, and also a high level of access to information.
@@cesargonzalez4146 oh, I agree. Obviously the book idealizes it a but, but the system of govt proposed is very good, and held to account. Only cotizens can vote, but ANYONE can become a citizen, regardless of things such as physical disability. They'll find something for you to do for 2 years.
I wouldnt be the least bit upset if that became the way things are.
@Harvey Dustin tl:dr every system can be abused, we know this. The difference between them is the ease of abuse and accountability of the abusers.
I’m not surprised it was a band of Scots that kicked things off for the Terran Federation. XD
Nicola Sturgeon had probably closed the pubs again ... damn near caused me to kick off last week!
Honestly I had thought it would be us Irishmen lol
Arch: posts Warhammer lore
Me: what's Warhammer?
Arch: posts Starship Troopers lore
Me: So anyway, I started clicking
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You don't know Warhammer ... Hersey
@@Jdne199311 do not worry he will if he likes starship troopers
@@Jdne199311 I thought his point was he discovered warhammer because of Arch. Never knew about star sip troopers but because Arch has posted it he is looking into it. That's where I thought he was coming from.... but I am not a part of the Inquisiton so to be fair I am easily misled...
I don't know about Warhammer, but Warhammer 40k is like if someone ripped off Starship Troopers while simultaneously ripping off roman history (and many many more), and then acting like they single handedly created the space military genre.
Thanks for producing a video that presents the actual content of the BOOK. Back when I first read "Starship Troopers", I was serving in the military and was wishing our service, our society and government, were a lot more like it. Why? Because it made SENSE.
14:29 I think hanging looters and rioters is perfectly acceptable if they are cought in the act.
And those enabling them.
I agree. Deterrence is the best way to prevent mob criminality. Otherwise, they always think they'll get away with it.
I think killing someone over just looting entirely too merciful. Ruining their life by exposing them or getting them arrested is a fate worse than death.
@@kitchenjail3546 Eh, I'd personally rather be identified and imprisoned, than killed.
In a vacuum, yes, but the problem is accountability.
*Non-combative auxilliar troops being harrassed, bullied, injuried and purposefully endangered*
Imperial Citizens: "First time?"
I'm reminded of the stories I've read from WW1 logistics corps' they often saw more artillery fire than the men on the front lines as the enemy would shell the bejesus out of the roads to try and limit supply to the front, and unlike the guys squating on the front the logistics corps didn't have a trench for cover.
"Bronski! Keep pace!!" *Pulls out baton and starts running*
Terran Federation outlook on voting “You didn’t put in on this, man”
Me: legitimately taking notes "yes, yes very good"
The biggest flaw I see possibly cropping up in this society is if there ever aren't enough willing volunteers to serve to defend it from another force. If that scenario occurs the federation has a hard choice between adhering to its principles and going down on them or violating its principles and forcing unwilling civilians into service which could save it from takeover but would spawn a massive moral crisis in the aftermath
That aside the idea that in order to exercise power over a society you must be willing to sacrifice yourself for it is a pretty logical one
I think its been long enough not the concept of military service(?) As a shorter tho more dangerous way to gain citizenship then the others kinda helps that plus the federation is multiple planets full of ppl and some of those places have an even greater civilian to citizen population, in favor of citizens, so they can pull from those places but even before that there has been enough time that socially serving the community is seen as a virtue even if it is discouraged person to person so it's kinda a toss up
If there is a shortage of people willing to enlist in the military then that means civic virtue and patriotism is long gone replaced by decadence and entitlement. Meaning Society has been going down the drain gradually and military recruits are the least of the worry. Similar to the US army recruit shortages nowadays...the country is comming apart at the seams.
@@stuka80 or maybe maybe the civilians or a planet just doesn't like the skymarshal not everything is about the "worthiness of your population" usually it's your leader being a c*nt
@stuka80 As an Englishman, I always giggle at that. A small army in peacetime is why we became freemen in the first place. But then again, George Washington needes a nice big army in case any 2A militias came a-knockin with a crown.
"a society that cannot rally it's citizens to its own defense has no right to exist,"
No country fighting on its own soil has ever had a problem finding people willing to defend their homes and the ones that did had already gone down the crapper.
10:35 Holy shit, that story plays exactly like our own history plays right in front of our eyes, today!
The writer was definitely on to something.
I just carried out my civic duty of voting for the God Emperor and this pops up in my subs.
You do not vote for your God Emperor,
You worship him.
Why y'all have so many arms.........?
Oh no!......
Should have voted in person. Mail in is not a legit form of voting imo. Only in person, in the solitude of the voting booth, on paper with ink.
@@cyruslupercal9493 I did vote in person. It’s called early voting.
@Johnny Weedseed That's no joke. I used to live in a city where if you registered but didn't vote they would send you mail saying something like "we see you registered but did not vote". Twice I voted for someone on the right and twice I got the mail saying I didn't vote.
damn, the more i learn about this system the more i love it
Huge civil unrest. Oh boy, we are in for a treat.
UwU
Trooper: "Who's a good boy?"
K9: "It is I, I am the good boy."
Also Trooper: "Whose a good boy?"
K92: "I am a bitch, you would know this if you looked, but I am a good bitch, you know this to be true."
Aberdeen went full Konrad Kurze. Nice. Seems to be effective in sci-fi.
Curze lowered the crime rate to near zero by making everyone afraid to break the law. It worked. The planet became more productive than it ever had been on record.
The terran federation unironically sounds like paradise
Robert A. Heinlein made me the political man i am today.
"An armed society is a polite society." "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." "Men are not potatoes." These are three quotes I have carried with me since childhood. I read most of Heinlein's novels before I left high school.
@@edwardsummey8843 "Specialization is for insects." "Big boys dont cry, but men do." Fun fact; I was conceived about the same time that "Starship Troopers" was first published.Ten years later i was a rabid Heinlein fan and read everything translated in to Swedish. I learned to read in English so i could read the rest. Now collecting everything he wrote is on my bucket list. Afterwards i have realized that he was a sort of stand in for my absentee father.
"Service guarantees citizenship" is perhaps the best governmental system ever.
It's nice to see someone talk about what is actually written in the book, instead of simply declaring it Fascist without reading it. God, I hate that movie as much as I love the book.
The movie is just mindless fun. :-) but i do really love the book.
I mean the movie is actually a good piece of cinema that is a fair enough depiction. It's the director that can go suck a big fat rooster. Fortunately the guys doing the writing managed to do well inspite of the donkey in charge.
So, if you want a say in where your nation is going you first need to prove you are dedicated to it? Sounds like a damned fine idea to me, sign me up! (Armed Forces member for 14 years and counting)
Oh.... rightists everywhere. We've had so much as 2 world wars and they STILL like to be the cannon fodder for the ruling class. Voting rights stem from TAXATION. If a state (representing the ruling capitalist class) wants your TAXES it is obliged to give you voting rights. Otherwise - no money, no cash, no taxy taxy, no tolls, fees etc. etc.
@@JohnSmith-ez7ip if the government dose not just desided to take... what they beleave you owe of course. Don't forget the only reason you have to pay them taxs is because the government monopoly of force. Police, fbi, cia, nsa, and all the other acronyms. Governments get taxs because they have the means of force required to collect said taxs. Monopoly of force. They have trained armed violent people ready to do as I structed by the state for the state, and In the interest of the state alone. Voting is the illusion of control of the governing body that you are slave to because if you refuse you will suffer consequences.
@Pub Thumpin Heinlein's federation system is capitalist. Hence is basically the same we have, with the ruling class are the wealthy, they just put yet _Another_ barrier between people and voting rights. Yeah, of course, there are the all-unifying "ENEMY" the bugs, but you can call some nationality the all-unifying "ENEMY" and it would be basically the same. Ergo, we have the same system, where the deprivation of people's rights is mandated by the wealthy (see US military complex) by creating yet another barrier for people, allowing to throw people into the grinder. We're talking a 30ies dystopian society, excused by the "bugs" basically.
Note, any government that tries to take away your rights and milk you for taxes is a fascist dystopian government that should be repelled with the force of free citizens as per US 2 amendment.
And regarding "semper fidelis". The mere Idea of some uneducated low-class jarhead thrown to murder children for the sake of corporations 9000 miles away being more entitled to vote is ridiculous at its best. Their "faithfullness" is to the ruling class, they murder innocents, occupy other countries, bring misery to others so just that the fat cats can get more oil. Grinded down to having no free will and blindly execute orders as the boot-slaves they are. And opposing such tendencies of such people to take away the educated people's rights to vote is very important.
Molon labe.
@@Josh-ye9ol The first part of your comment - I totally agree with you. The state is the instrument of oppression of the ruling class. That's understandable by anyone with an IQ above room temperature. The second part - not so much. In 1st world countries voting actually matters and voting does change policies. Like with the 2A for example.
@@JohnSmith-ez7ip Loving your own nation, culture and people is an inherently natural thing, so having to join a compulsory military service isn't exactly a bad thing unless it's corrupt to the point you don't even fight for the interests of the nation anymore so much as those of another country (1srael, anyone?). Crying about "muh world wars" won't change the fact that world peace is a pipe dream that will never happen unless you want to erase literally all cultures, history and r@ces outside your own as to minimize any potential conflicts, be it religious or otherwise, that could potentially lead up to a war. Welcome to the real world, lefties.
Thank God I’m not medically able to re-enlist. The book is what got me in the first place
Damn dude , Starship troopers lore is lookin the 2020s
I think the Terran Federation is a much better system than we currently have in our nation.
Call me Nazi but I think this is the kind of society I want to live in
I would say that how you can get vote should be expanded to those you pay net taxes the idea of if your going to take my money then I should have a say what you do with it ( ps this is not a fascist state )
@@davedave8986 I know its not but surprise surprise ppl call it names
@@Mtom9388 good point
@@davedave8986 I like the idea of working people only getting rhe right to vote, but with period of 8 months remaining valid voter for people who lost jobs. Lazy Unemployed should only get "lesser vote" cause they are leeches of society
@@davedave8986 I agree that net taxpayers should elect the representatives who are entrusted with spending tax revenue. I’d argue that veterans/active-ready reservists maintaining a set standard of physical fitness, equipment, and training should be electing the commander-in-Chief. Tie the authority directly to the relevant responsibilities. And I’m not a veteran
"QUIT OR ILL BEAT YOUR ASS!"
dude best thing ever! lmao
So, what you're saying is that the first Veterans were like the Night Haunter....
Desire to know more intensifies!
The Terran Federation is the most realistic sci-fi government available in print. Voluntary service for life perks! You are free to serve or not.
28:30
i suport that idea
Karrens would disapier is days from face of the Earth
You are quickly, quickly becoming one of my favorite RUclips personalities. Fun topics that you take with a neat mix of serious and sarcasm, but never insofar as being more than just a really, really interested fan.
Well, this sounds kinda familiar... I think is the way we are leaning towards
3:30 That sounds like the Roman Republic, where your political career started by demonstrating your military excellence, except much more streamlined. Regarding 29:30, the Greek Paideia taught a similar idea with the Boar of Erimantus, that those without limits would become destructive to themselves and others.
sounds like the Greater Terran Union : where a emergency military coalition to a powerful world government with a mandatory 4 year military service and tier citizenship
pfft shame the roman republic was worthless and constantly made irrelevant
Well a lot of civic systems we have this day can be traced through the Roman period.
I recommend watch Invicta's channel. He does a great job explaining how they enforced rule and law back in the day and including electoral processes. The idea of Legal Experts, Civil Firefighter/Police force and examples on why and how.
@@Marinealver I already do, I also recommend watching Historia Civilis. The presentation is simple, but the research and explanations are fantastic.
My first thoughts turned to rome. They had a decent government structure.
Im a simple man, Arch does Starship Toopers Lore Video of Terran Federation, I click like.
As a veteran I support this idea.
Anyone else feels like this Lore video sounds extremely familiar _for some reason._
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CNN news channel in the background: *(Mostly peaceful burning)*
Don't forget the mandatory interpretation to NEWSPEAK so it can be posted to Twatter.
They have to use DOUBLETHINK so it is all one word, PEACEFULPROTEST.
AYYYY, Big up Aberdeen!
Sorry just we're never in anything, I got excited
You can be in the real version too. You know what must be done when the riots start there.
@@janehrahan5116 *Loads knife with intent*
Thank you for your service Aberdeen 🖖
This political philosophy makes sense to me. You wouldn't have low information voters electing someone senile to the white house.
Damn today is a good day on RUclips. The book was the single most influential bit of literature in my young life, I'm so happy it is getting attention.
That's a highly interesting theory of the state and citizenship. Always been a fan of the movie but didn't know the source material had that much philosophical substance. Thanks Arch, you lovely man! 👍
I woke up wanting to know more. Thank you, sir!
Even in a modern context it makes sense that there are no women in the mobile infantry. In universe, the mobile infantry are a frontline heavy combat unit with extreme physical demands. Roughly the equivalent of Army Rangers or Navy Seals. To this day not a single woman has passed the training required for these special forces units. This isn't for a lack of trying either many women have attended ranger school, but so far none have passed. Please note I am not saying women should not be soldiers. I have served next to very capable and badass women in the military. However the physical demands of serving, especially in combat roles, make it more difficult for women to succeed in those roles.
I find your timing on this subject fortuitous on my part. I just finished listening to the audio book and watched all five movies(2nd and 3rd being the hardest to watch). I am very intrigued by Robert's vision of the Federation and why and how it is successful. I did find it interesting that that Robert thought up that they had a branch of mathematics that allowed for proving some concepts. It reminded me a bit of Asimov's Foundation series (Psychohistory). I wait eagerly for your next installment that covers the pros and cons of Robert's system of governance.
One thing that is either visionary on his part or just applicable to our age is the concept of is the use of corporal punishment. I remembered getting spanked as a child by either my parents or school administration (for something bad I did in second grade) and now see the lack of it in early education or parenting. In today's American society (I do not know of other culture's view of this), we are afraid to discipline our children this way because it now viewed negatively and people tend to think of it as abusive rather than thinking of it as a tool).
About that time was when "scientific" government...not quite on the socialist model, but the idea that it was possible to create a "science of government" in one form or another was VERY popular about the time that Henlein wrote this book. (And, remember, by his own words, this was a book written in REJECTION of Communism, Fascism, and Socialism.)
One fallacy in this video is that Rico is not whipped for using his optics in training, he is whipped for not using them, which results in his weapon to shoot low and simulates killing a fellow trooper. Also corporal punishment was partially left up to commanders discretion, as when the recruit punches Zim in the mouth. The officer could have hanged the recruit but chose lashes.
Thank you! This is easily one of the most enjoyable offerings you've made yet.
Even just listening to this, one can't help to wonder how prophetic this book is, especially with what is currently happening in our modern world...
Strange times, we are living in.
Hopefully, there is no hostile race of space bugs in the future.
Why? I currently live in the country that is in the trajectory of the bugs' space rock.
You must need Skinnies to provide Earth's coordinates to Bugs so they can warp jump there.
As modern assault rifles are gas operated for the recoil system they need some sort of attachment in the barrel to block the easy discharge of gas and force it through the recoil system. If the Terran Federation rifles are anything like that then that 1 live round among 500 blank would blow the attachment off the end of the rifle and bugger it up. It also says that they don't load their own ammo into magazines as blank and live ammo look different and are easy to distinguish at a glance or feel.
The only way I can think of is if the Terran Federation's rifle uses something like a Metal Storm system with electricly fired rounds that come in a block, load into the weapon all at once.
27:30 This is precisely what my parents, most people grandparents, today talk about as far as disciplining the children. When simply "saying so" or even reason (to be used sparingly and for only specific causes) in not enough, "That's a paddlin'".
What we have today is Government, usually at the behest of "Do-gooders" and "Buttinskis" imposing their personal ideas and ideals on a parent-child relationship that is anything but "Cosby show" perfect. When and outsider may read as abuse is "training up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old he shall not depart from it. (Proverbs 22:6)"
As a result, Parents are literally afraid to properly rein in and discipline their children. And we get gangs, leftist revolutionaries, Anarchists, the willfully ignorant, and all assortment of ne'er-do-well and villain.
I know this is an old video but looking at the world over the past year I'd almost welcome a change like this.
I’m really enjoying these.
I know this is weird to say but this form of government actually sounds pretty awesome.
A good bug is a dead bug
40:52 Alfabusa : "Most Holy Fuck ! YASSSsss ! Praise the Omniss... oh. Cyber DO_G..."
''Service guarantees citizenship!''
In the books it was the government's responsibility and obligation to find a suitable job for ANYONE who wanted to complete a term of federal service to get the franchise , no matter their race , sex , or disability. And it had to be a suitable job that they could actually do , even if someone was quadriplegic they would find a useful job they could do for their term of service , even if it was just acting as a receptionist and blowing into a straw to buzz people into a door if they have a valid ID card.
Ah, the welfare state
just realised that with all the info dumps in the novel Heinlein should have been alive for MMOs :)
Weird how starship troopers history sounds so relivent currently.
Something that I have discovered; after watching this video the first time I decided to read this book. So in my search I have come to the grimm discovery that there are no new copies of this novel anywhere here in my country, the only way tl get one is either used or to import it.
"Veteran's Council"
Ah so a "Soldiers and Sailors Soviet"
The more I hear about the Federation the more I wish it was reality. I don’t even care that I might not be worthy of the franchise. I crave a world that preaches duty and responsibility; whereas all I get now is an endless one sided, self serving and conveniently endless list of “rights.” Everyone wants more and more of everything for nothing and want so serve nothing. I’m in hell and I want out.
I agree, this is one of the reasons I feel completely alien in todays society (Sweden).
@@SvengelskaBlondie lol your nation in 100 years will probably collapse from supporting certain 'people'.
That argument doesn't work for one specific reason taxation depending on where you live heavy taxation remember what happened the last time people were taxed without representation oh we had this little thing called the American revolution the Terran federation works because the government operates with an incredibly light touch statistically that wouldn't really happen in the real world
Truly I would prefer this federation society over what’s happening in ours right now. At least you earn your keep. Instead of being too entitled to it. Duty and responsibility.
@spartanx9293 There would be no Declaration of Independence without backing from globalists with guns drawn at the patriots who resist it.
Now I feel like watching Starship Stoopers Roughnecks again.
*I'm doing my part!*
A citizen doesn't boast ;)
In my head canon, the United citizens federation is a space stratocracy that had the human earth colony dealing with self stability and such elites that rule this earth created a greater inequality with its working class citizens. That such a group of veterans and dredd judges decide to govern one nation and then another. Inspired partly by zeons independence movement, elysiums hoarded med bed access and over populated rebooted citizenry, and the chaos of rivaling inside nations of the earth that instead of uniting. Only want to dominate one another. And the fact the elites never had to deal with sacrificing alongside with their soldiers.
14:38
Is it? Looters are scum. Sure, hanging is harsh, but in that situation I doubt anything else would have gotten the message across.
Looters were probably rioters and arsonists, too. It wouldn't be surprising if they also murdered people to steal shit from them. It was a time of extreme civil unrest, after all.
And if the blm riots where "mostly peaceful arsons" and "mostly peaceful looting" occurred during a time of *minor* civil unrest, I understand why Heinlein wrote that the veterans thought hanging "looters" was fine.
If the UFC (Terrin Federation) was, in fact, Militarian, then all of the soldiers' chin straps would be secured squarely upon their chins at "Muster" (standing at attention for inspection)...
I believe they were called "Neodogs" not cyberdogs, and the Federation also had a Combat Engineering Corps.
Arch: Calls modern day politics nonsense
The Codex Astartes: *Approves of this action*
Hey Arch can you please cover Gundam?
Well I would actually prefer to have Arch do some battletech stuff... I mean Tex is great, but just the eloquence...
@@Paerigos We need a cross colab with Tex and Arch. Imagine the commentary high jinks would would get from both of those snarky lore masters.
Which one? UC?
In medieval euro, some place has no resource to maintain a large police force, so whoever they caught will be punished publicly to sent an message to other would be criminals
Only a little over 3 minutes in and Arch already debunks the myth that only military personnel can vote in the TF.
Issuing driver's license is also a Federal Service.
We need this Memetic Military Meritocracy more than ever