Seems like service comes with some other benefits as well. I think the Imperial Guard could learn something about recruitment from Arch's Mobile Infantry.
@@earnestbrown6524 wait! Probably just means they're Native Cadians, they get a pass. That chest however, could be a sign of Slaaneshi taint and will require a thorough examination!
I've just started reading the book. I got two chapters in and was like "wait, why do people think this is fascist?" Their society is nothing like fascism.
Because Commiewood said it is and "look they have a eagle and a Kommissar and are pro-militarism" which of course falls flat on its face, but works well enough to justify a Leftist Media propaganda storm meant to bury the author and his arguements against Communism, against welfare states, and against the "____ that i want is a human right" statement under the label of "Fascist". I mean the bugs are the litteral perfect Communists. So collective minded they can't even comprehend another species as having individual groups or members. This book and a large number of others have a very strong argument against Communism...and yet despite many of them being very anti-fascist they are all labeled as "fascist" to keep them burried, or the societies they present labeled as "Satire" so you know to just mentally disregard everything and stop thinking at all as you watch the funny lightshow, "see how his leg was ripped off... funny... audience laugh now."
Because trench coats and armies pretty much, basically retardo reasons. Edit: It also probably helps that just like the film director the leftists are unlikely to have ever actually read the book (FFS most of them have clearly never even read their OWN ideological works).
@Brett Musil Fascism is definitely an overused term, but the society of starship troopers doesn't reject liberalism. If anything it seems to embrace it more than we currently do. To put it simply the society is a worldwide "founding fathers" vision of America.
@@thanquolrattenherz9665 k Kommissar, they were state agents to ensure that the "free evil capitalists" or however Socialists like to describe capitalists, obeyed they party's directives or they lose their companies and freedom...and maybe life because selling to 'those' people is now treason.
The director was already working on a film that in production was called “Bug Hunt at Outpost 9” ... care to guess what parts of that movie got carried over to Starship Trooper when the studio Paul was working at bought the movie rights?
Julian Kirby that... I’m not really sure what point that scene was for... though for as much as I dislike Paul I will give him credit for actually filming that scene nude when the actors told him that’s the only way they would do it.
- Federal Network - "Each day starship troopers fans are finding out new ways to educate others." - FEDERAL SCIENTIST - "Your average fan isn't very smart, you can show them the movie and they still have an 86% chance of calling it fascist. "So here's a tip: Show them book, and put down there opinions for good." - Would you like to know more? -
It's really not either. There is separation between military and civilian government. The sky marshals are shipped serving to the u c f administration and the federal council
@@DeinosCZ Magazine is what holds and feeds ammunition into a weapon. A clip holds ammunition to be fed into a magazine but not into a firearm. Cheers.
Starship Troopers has a good helping of silliness with the bureaucracy and society; 40k has the same silliness its Orks. A spoonful or two of 'not taking itself too seriously' does an expansive sci-fi universe good, it would seem.
Fun movies I just would have enjoyed them more if it didn't take almost all its proper nouns from the book and claim to be Starship Troopers which it was not.
starship troopers has a societal and political, notwithstanding military, organization that reminds me more of the early Roman empire more than anything else. A militaristic society where you have to earn your citizenship through a process where the values of the society become your own through harsh training and blood shed, regardless of your religious affiliation, race or sexual orientation....also gender.
@@p_serdiuk Well with how vast the Federation is, especially compared to the Romans, it only makes sense to have a shorter service time to become a citizen. Plus in the beginning of the movie, the Federation wasn't actually at war with the Arachnids. So there wouldn't really be a reason to have a longer time.
.458 SOCOM does absolutely terrifying things with the right bullet selection (penetrators designed to punch through the skull of dangerous game), fits into an AR-15, at the cost of 10 rounds per standard 30 round magazine, less range, and more recoil
And to be fair, after some modifications (replace heavy MG with light/general purpose MG and instead of one person distribute mags/belts in whole team) it still works
To be fair not much of battlefield logistics has changed. If the kit of a unit is too heavy to reasonably distribute to the average soldier simply stick it on the biggest man available. There's a reason why the image of a stereotypical machine gunner has them covered in ammunition belts.
Actually 400 rounds of ammo is not that crazy, the US soldier has already +300 (not always but a lot of times) rounds of 556 and with the new 6.8 round the army wants to adopt being lighter 400 rouds is completely posible.
@@Lee1enfield Except then it wouldn't be 7.62x51, it'd be a different round that replicates it. But it is specifically stated to be 7.62x51. Also caseless is probably a dead end, polymer cased telescoped is much better and more feasible. Either way your weight/ bulk savings is significant, but not magical; iirc it's a ~40% weight savings for pct, which means that even a PCT 7.62x51 equivalent would still be heavier than a standard brass cartridge 5.56 (and I'm being generous with those numbers, the latter is less than half as heavy to start with). So the soldier would still be way overloaded, with so many of such a large cartridge.
Starship Troopers is probably my favourite book of all time, but I heartily recommend anyone who enjoys it to then read Joe Haldeman's The Forever War for a different take on a similar concept.
I read the book in middle school it was in my teacher's classroom on her bookshelf and I remember reading that book because I was in trouble for I don't even remember why but the teacher realized that punishing me by forcing me down and requiring me to read a book was like throwing a rabbit into a briar patch. If you get the literary reference to left at the end you get a cookie.
Can confirm both are excellent. I would even recommend Old Man's War (despite Sclazi being a shithead, I still fucking adore OMW, it's a much more modern flavor of Forever War, kinda, it's pretty fucking good just read it).
The novel never try to proselytize or endorse war and conflict. It's a very subtle anti-war story, mainly because the bug war is a never ending war, between two species biologically unable to communicate with each other to reach an understanding.
17:22 In the book the instructors do shoot live rounds (from a normal rifle) at the recruits to "motivate" them to seek cover fast, and intentionally aim for arms and legs. Anything that is not a fatal hit, can be fixed by the medics.
it’s only 1 in ever 500 or so sounds is actually live(or at least that’s what the recruits are told... and then have confirmed when a live bullet gazes one of them across the butt cheeks if I recall right) and as the training goes on and intensifies that ratio gets smaller and smaller.
@@demonocolips maybe, though in the books it sounded like workers were supposed to be a very high portion of the population and they warriors had ranged weapons
@@jeice13 I remember from the book a quick rule of thumb when it comes to telling warrior bug and worker bug apart, was, if it runs at you, warrior, if it runs away, worker
The M2 "Ma Duce" is the longest serving firearm in the US Military having entered service in 1933 - so 87 years of use at this point. The .50 cal is the epitome of "if it ain't broke don't fix it," and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The only other firearm to come close to the M2 is the Colt 1911 at 74 years.
The Colt 1911 was superseded by the M9 in the 90s, but the 1911 was still issued afterwards. Although the latest formal US military project I can find relating to it was 2004 by the Army Marksmenship Unit. So although the 1911 isn't 'issued' as a standard sidearm it is still formally utilized by special forces units of all branches of the United States military. Almost 110 years of significant first-world military use for that one. Then there's the Browning 1919 - that was formally adopted in 1919 (of course =) ) and variants in 7.62x51 are still in widespread military use as a medium machine gun - Humvees and coaxials on second-line armor and emplacements and such. I wonder if that means we're going to see militaries carrying M4s and M16s in 2060 and police carrying Glock G17's in 2080?
@@angry_zergling I'm pretty sure 200 years from now AK47 will likely still be used by militia forces or Rebels around the world. The Assault Riffle is durable and easy to use as heck.
@@worlds3061Actual AK-47s aren't as common as you think(Though they are VERY common) because there's a whole line of AKs, from the 47 to the modern day (104 or something?) with the most common being the AK-47, AKM, AK-74, and AK-74M.
Never forget that in the original books they had jump pack, power armor, and wrist mounted nuke launcher flamethrower combo. They are the only sci fi ‘space marines my that could hold a candle to 40ks. Also the whole sleep on command from superior officer via hypnotic conditioning was mentioned in one of the alpha legion Horus heresy books
The funny part, is that Germanys fascism wasn't fascism, it was socialism. Italy was fascist, stalin said that germany was fascist for propaganda as it would have looked bad for two socialist States fighting
@@rebeccaconlon9743 fascism as it is discribed, very flexible yet i would argue it was fascism, And not socialist, see fascism is a third party position striving to take from both left(wich you can argue is socialism) and right wing. but in essence only that wich works and is proven to work. the vast differense in social, economical, and ethics in the nation socialist movement is vastly different from that of Stalin's and any other socialist or communist state that has existed. Also there is the obvious red line that fascism existed due to counter communism, especialy the national socialist party was directly risen to combat the communist gangs and political army's and very real army's sent from Russia to topple governments.
The left selected to hate the book and use it as their "this is fascism" so no matter what and no matter how much qny Aspect of any Communist society might mirror it, its the satanic opposite of the glory of our lord and savior Maxist Christ...i mean Communism...because we said it's Fascist and Fascist is magically the opposite of authoritarian Statist Dictatorship, by being a Statist Dictatorship with heavy Authoritarian principles.
@Archaon The Everchosen well Starship trooper presents to us a Communist society as per the Manifesto. The bugs, they randomly attack everyone because they cannot comprehend a single individual or planetary collective being seperate from the entire species, and they have no regard for life, or for anyone else, let alone how they destroy their own worlds.
@Brett Musil yet the party members (aka those who served in the military and can noe vote) cannot own buisnesses the government doesn't control any buisnesses, there isn't a dictatorship, and the buisnesses which we already established aren't owned by the government aren't competing for the favor of the dictator so they may do buisness. (Funny how a study of fascist economics shows that theyand the modern US have more in common than the so called Fascists of the book)
The spice must flow. Wait wrong series. Don't wake the dragon! Wait not that one either. Geralt's tsundere girlfriend? No? Man so many purple eyes I can't keep them straight.
@@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536 I know. PurpleEyesWTF is also a YT channel that did some weeb stuff like half a decade or so ago. Which was a Hail-Mary throwback on my part.
I follow this one youtuber, also a lore jockey, every time he talks about star ship troopers. He calls them fascist and claims to have read the book. I'm fairly certain he has never read the book. Its total cringe. Arch you should do a play through of starship.troopers Marauder. Also watch the series.
*several decades later when a remake of the movie is announced and that it will actually try to follow the book* Paul: I really wish they wouldn’t, this is the last thing we need in Trump’s America, more fascist propaganda.(not even joking... the man really said, though not word for word, this in a interview when he was asked about the upcoming remake) Me: Paul... I understand your upset the Nazis invaded your country when you were a baby... but the Nazis are dead... MOVE ON.
@@danielbissett-taylor4450 oh yes it's a horrible adaptation but incredibly fun and even the movie which is supposed to be satire of fascism wasn't all that fascist lol
Verhoeven: Make a satire of Fascism out of this novel! Writer 1: How? …… Writer n: Make a reference to the bombing of Hiroshima as a symbol of might makes right. Me (an ethnic Chinese): You what, mate?
Context: Japan got nuked into submission, thus sparing my grandfather's generation at least a couple more years of war physically kicking the Japanese out of China, and both Japan and the US the Operation: Downfall. So yeah- if Verhoeven thinks he's got even a toss-up, let alone a preferred alternative, for me on this subject, he'd be *gravely* mistaken.
@@JeroenDoes i think you'll find most armies and nations through history think "killing my civilians is bad, killing yours is a regretful necessity" and once in a while you'll get one that does it for shits and giggles.
Neither Klendathu nor the Arachnids will bother us again in the millennia to come. The defeat will be purged from records and the creatures forgotten. The planet's name will be: "Murder". ... What could possibly go wrong?
8:02 The problem with all of this, Arch, is that the Morita was a pre-war design. It clearly was NOT intended for use against the arachnids. In fact, none of the Mobile Infantry is prepared for combat against the bugs. They're trained against human opposition at boot camp. All of their tactical acumen seems aimed at dealing with pilots, raiders, and other trouble makers, not arachnids. In the book, they are armed with the capacity to take on entire nests of bugs in small groups. The Starship Troopers Anime actually does an amazing job covering this element of the SST universe. If we could get the way the anime depicted the combat, and combine it with the movies usage of the political philosphy, but shed off all the nazi imagery, we'd have the perfect adaptation of the book.
8:57 Problem with that is, you do need to aim if you want to be effective. Shooting the warriors randomly is not effective. You have to aim for the nerve stem. AIM. FOR. THE. NERVE. STEM.
21:47 Again, the problem with a lot of this theorizing is its not taking into account the reality the film presents us. The Mobile Infantry was not setup to fight the bugs. They had to make do with what they had. None of their weapons or equipment are designed for the war against the bugs. The closest thing to that description is the nuke launchers.
22:52 That's their excuse, but if they had spent the money on building a few ape suits instead of building hundreds of mobile infantry combat armors and stunt Moritas, they could have built APE suits. Design them like an elegant space suit, and they would be relatively inexpensive to make. Helmet, leotard, additional armored and sculpted pieces on top, keep them light so that the actors can perform in them. Put some lights on em. Boom. Ape suits. You also wouldn't need the dropship to be so complex if you built the ape suits, because they are dropped directly from the ship in orbit to the planet.
26:48 I'm going to stop you right there because I know where you're going already... We see the bombers at Klendathu. We see them de-orbitting with the dropships. We just don't see them in action once we get to the surface. Presumably they were dropping ordinance, but the thing is... Those bombers can only, or seem to be only capable of doing one run at a time. Meaning they drop their ordinance, return to orbit, and then have to rearm and refuel for another sortie. It's not that they weren't at Klendathu, it's just that we didn't see them in action.
Arch I think you forgot about the CGI TV show: Roughnecks Starship Trooper Chronicles, Which borrowed from both the Movie and Book series and in there things were a little different
@@MLPDethDealr32 I Recommend it, it maybe toned down in terms of violence but in a weird way it ramps up the Horror elements. and granted the CGI has not aged well but hey if you like Reboot then you'll like it.
The same can be said of other Sci-fi societies like the Gamilas from Space Battleship Yamato( fighters based off of German WW2 aircraft, a very similar salute and the biological determanism of their species) but at closer looks they are a "religiously" derived monarchy with a leader who uses similar techniques to rule over an interstellar empire with an iron fist. But is not fascistic.
But isn't the punchline that they're just literally Blue-Skinned Humans with purple blood because of their "Homeworld's" atmospheric contaminants that actually make it harder for them to settle other worlds (kinda like the Helgast from Killzone now that I think of it).
@@cnlbenmc and they have different kind of sun Also alexandrians are at fault because they will one way or another will kill billions of gammilans because they are a twin planet and alexandria blocked their sun
The forward-of-grip magazine well, mixed with the bullpup action (behind the grip), attached to a very long barreled forend... never ceases to make me laugh how ridiculous their weapons are. xD
Yep a bolter round to a bolter magazine is sort of the same thing as a .458 SOCOM or .50 Beowulf round is to an AR-15 magazine. At that width, it HAS to be a single stack mag.
@@jeice13 You might be right. I havent read the book in years. Allthough Swedish blanks have wooden projektile in the case of the 6.5 and 7.62 mm calibre blanks, and a bakelite projektile in the case of the 9 mm blanks. The wooden ones were quite dangeous up to a distance of five meters until we developed a muzzle stopper. The bakelite ones went through a one inch plank at five meters.
@@kangkong6795 real life movies. Also astartes and death of hope are not movies yet.
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From my memory of the Course Scene is that after the event, everyone was acting like if he only kept his helmet on he would of survived the shot to the head.
arch, in the first world war, the arditi group were issued 1 knife and 20 handgranade each for platoon, 2 platoon with 1 smg and 10k rounds added to the previous loadout and 2 soldiers with 4 sack of 150 granades each. So, yah, 500 rounds is pretty belivable in future
Space Marines power armour, assault squads, wrist and shoulder mounted weapons are what the Mobile Infantry exactly are. There was an anime of Starship Troopers back in 88 that showed this. Yes GW are very much the Blood Ravens at this point.
Except the power armor in the Book Starship troopers was much more "mobile" and the firepower of an individual soldier is compared to that of a WW2 armored division. With some soldiers being given suit mounted mini nukes if the occasion warranted. The tech would be closer to WH40ks tech from the "Dark Age of Technology".
@@Greymist73 Yeah all I'm saying is GW took the whole MI concept chopped it up and put it different units. You could totally kitbash an MI using space marines
Hrm, you may want to read the books Arch. Its quite the contrast form the insane movie you describe to the rational Books' description of the marine's flying jepack powerarmored exoskeletons with rapid-fire shoulder-launched nuke rockets.
Arch a M249 Weight: With bipod and tools: 15.16 pounds (6.88 kilograms) 200-round box magazine: 6.92 pounds (3.14 kilograms) and we carry 4 that not counting optics and lasers or god only knows what else the ARMY thinks you need i could see them carrying that big POS rifle
I think this will need 2 lore video series, one being the movies, the other being the actual book and original. As there is so much the movie subverted from the original its basically a parallel universe difference between the 2.
I would be honoured to live in this society. Sadly I'm in Britain and my people are now subservient and weak. Most haven't even had a fight in their lives and cannot imagine a world of danger
2:45 "War situation has not necessarily developed to Japan's advantage" -The Showa Emperor (aka Hirohito), in the broadcast announcing the surrender of Japan at the end of WW2. Yeah, governments do not like giving bad news to their population.
So for those who, like me, need something to visually imagine the idea of the bugs : A polar bear weighs around 500kg. So picture a heavily armored, multi legged polar bear ploughing down on you. Then imagine thousands of them. Once you stop wetting your pants, you will have the rough idea xD
Pretty certain why men and women still join the federal army is because they get angry when they see their men died so they join up with more anger and courage as young teens being told not to do it it encourages them to actually do it.
Lord Askr no i mean the book has many believe to be the first scifi power armor, is in the book cover And is a main selling point omiten from the movie
@J Redfield Except Rico did not get Field Punishment for that in the book. It was a simulated rocket that he snapped across his line of advance without clarifying the situation, which would, had it been real (it was not, it was simulated in the suits HUD systems) have killed a squad mate. Even though it was a simulated fire it was still considered gross negligence by MI, thus why he was punished for it.
Dont think, just because I liked the video, that I will wear a silly uniform too. My Inquisitorbagde and my Psistaff is all I need. The EMPEROR protects !
@@Aserbic Thankfully I know enough about what that is to NOT Google it! That was very mean of you to try to make me claw out my own eyes. You are NOT bae, or my senpai, or my bro!
Arch, one thing that stuck out for me about the live fire course in the movie was the fact that the targets in it were shaped like humans, firing human weapons. During the throwing knife scene, they keep talking about how their style of warfare seemed pointless, due to the existence of nuclear weapons. Disabling the enemy's hand, so that they cannot press the button, seems to only apply to humans. That Mormon colony that was wiped out by the arachnids early on was also described as being a separatist colony. It seems likely that, before the bug war, the Federation military was used to keep both the populace of Earth and it's colonies in line. Also, the bug war seemed to catch people by surprise, as well.
AGLs are heavy and extremely wobly in shooting. Requires at least tripod, at best full scale vehicle to mount. And those are not AP, they have low muzzle velocity. If you need AP 20+mm, you will end up with something as heavy as soviet 2A42 or US M242 variation. (vehicle only)
@@heyhoe168 Well, sorta. One of the most common rounds for 40mm grenades is the HEDP, or “High Explosive Duel Purpose” which can penetrate the side of LAVs like MRAPs. Not to mention shrapnel and concussive forces, 40mm AGLs loaded with HEDP would probably be quite effective. Even then, I don’t think average warrior bug could tank a regular 40mm HE anyone, much less a close grouping of them.
I love the assault course cause I was once shown it on a briefing for a gun range on what NOT to do. However understanding that there were location and budget concerns got in the way, it’s not so egregious. Still amazingly stupid and annoying, but understandable considering what got in way. They did want a good assault course, but couldn’t get it.
I was a machine gunner in Afghanistan and I would like to refute the weight issues raised by Arch. My standard patrol gear would consist of: M240B ~26 Lbs 1200 rounds of 7.62x51mm ~45 Lbs M4 w/RCO strapped to my pack~8Lbs 6 mags of 5.56 (28/mag) ~? M9 +2 mags~? Body armor+Helmet~45-50Lbs I don’t see it as unreasonable for the Mobile Infantry to carry 500 rounds.
US army veteran here, standard loadout is 300 rounds for regular dude, way more if you were carrying anything special like a “machine gun”. With practice you can “snap” the sight picture of the iron sights or scope almost instantly, like almost zero noticeable difference between firing instantly and that’s if you don’t take into effect that when combat is happening it’s already up ready to fire. Muscle memory is the key
"I personally find the idea of a "thinking bug" offensive." This is why anyone on the left side political compass shouldn't be allowed to make political decisions.
I'll forever hate Paul Verhoeven for what he did to my favorite book. Their society was basically libertarian for everyone but citizens. Normal folk ignored the government and lived free lives. Only citizens were restricted in behavior, and rhey were ruled by military law their whole lives.
I heard that this movie was originally supposed to be called "Assault on the Bug Planet", but someone noticed the slight parallel to the then-40-years-old book, so it was decided to add the satyrical aspect and change the title.
It's pretty obvious nobody was ever meant to think this hard about the SST movie. Also the tv show had tanks on Pluto which was also a planet with no infrastructure and shit terrain and those tanks used wheels instead of tracks.
Hi Arch, Thank you for the video. I'm a veteran combat engineer. I was in the U.S. Army active duty. I also served in Afghanistan. I only mention that last part to talk about my combat gear. You're spot on about the Morita, and it would be far too heavy, with all the extra rounds to carry realistically. You wouldn't be able to move at all, but they have mech suits in the book so it makes more sense there as you already know I'm sure. For the movie it makes zero sense. Especially for smaller soldiers, average, or even fit females. Not being sexist, I couldn't do it either and I'm reasonably fit and strong. Especially while I served. I carried 240 rounds with an M-4, (5.56 btw) and I also had a M-249 (also called a SAW) for a little while. I could probably have carried around 400 but it would be difficult. Some soldiers carried more ammo than I did but mine was the average amount. My total gear weight was probably about 50-80 pounds already. It changed sometimes. The Mobile Infantry load would be like 3 times that I would guess. That's insane. I've also operated a .50 cal and they're crazy to use. It would tear through bugs that's for damn sure. It's definitely not the same as the Mobile Infantry. I'm about the same size as Casper Van Dien. He's a bit taller. The only thing I wonder is if the humans from that universe are enhanced somehow. I kinda assumed that with the football scenes. They were doing flips with ease. It made the amount they had to carry a bit more believable for me at least. Though after your video that's laughable. I had no idea it was supposed to hold that many rounds. WTF. :) What I would have liked is if the Morita was a kind of rail gun. That would make sense for it's size and ammo count in that case. I just thought I'd add a little personal experience to what you said in the video.
Too slow damage. You need something similar to ww2 era anti armour shells. heavy piercing ammo, that actually has minor explosive charge to do maximum immediate damage behind armour. Also, chemical warfare.
16:00 The swiss army used to have similar life fire training. Over and side firing was often trained. The machine gun firing 5 m over the heads of advancing infantery.
I've fired an L85, AUG and AR15....recoil was mildest in the AR15. Overall mass of moving parts, recoil/buffer spring strength, bolt travel distance (ultimax LMG is a good example where this is all looked at to mitigate recoil)...then how much mass you have forward of the trigger, the muzzle devices like directional brakes (Holbeck device or the Cutts compensator being early examples).
The Morita actually inspired a real life weapon, look up Forgotten Weapons OICW, it was invented by H&K to replace the M16 but was considered to big and heavy but when H&K asked the US army how they wanted the system to look the General staff said "we want it more Starship Trooper like"
i was very young wen i first saw that movie like 13 or something an i never thought that federation were nazis.... havent crossed my stupid little mind
Film version of starship troopers universe a modified version of 18th century line infantry tactics. I.E a massive firing line or square footage of this is an appointment to volley firing 2 to 3 ranks deep on fully automatic would seem to be a logical tactic against bug hordes and more modern tactics for small squad engaments
12:00 as a veteran of the United States Army and my squad's machine gunner / ECLS (Emergency Combat Life Saver) I carried my ECLS Medic bag, M249 (loaded w/ 100 round belt), 2 extra belt bags, my M16, 210 rounds for my M16 (7 magazines), helmet, plate carrier vest w/ armor plates and whatever else little nicks and nacks. I'm small having only weighed 140 lbs. at the time but I still carried all that shit into battle and was combat effective.
So just so everyone knows you can fire th AA12 12 gauge shotgun in full automatic with one hand and aim. Tge have already figured out how to due recoil dampening that would match what is shown in the movie. Russia for the win.
Fem-Arch has quite the... assets...
That's just extra ballistic protection.
Seems like service comes with some other benefits as well. I think the Imperial Guard could learn something about recruitment from Arch's Mobile Infantry.
Purple eyes? Purge the Mutant. *BLAM*
True but as the god emperor always said ' they're no good fighting' mind you only a filthy non believer would want to fight with them
@@earnestbrown6524 wait! Probably just means they're Native Cadians, they get a pass.
That chest however, could be a sign of Slaaneshi taint and will require a thorough examination!
*100,000 dead in one hour.*
Terran Federation: Sound a general retreat.
Imperium of Man: Send in the next wave!
"resistance was lighter than we anticipated!"
That was the attack on Beunos Aries and it was the reasons why Earth went straight to war against the bugs.
Terran Federation: whatever send another few millions iron man.
Imperium of Man: how much troops we have left? whatever call in a exterminatus.
Only 100,000 dead in one hour? Decisive victory.
-Death Korps of Krieg
"Whatever it is, I'm willing to put wave after wave of men at your disposal. Right, men?"
To quote the man-emperor:
"Have you tried giant bug-spray?"
I've just started reading the book. I got two chapters in and was like "wait, why do people think this is fascist?" Their society is nothing like fascism.
Because Commiewood said it is and "look they have a eagle and a Kommissar and are pro-militarism" which of course falls flat on its face, but works well enough to justify a Leftist Media propaganda storm meant to bury the author and his arguements against Communism, against welfare states, and against the "____ that i want is a human right" statement under the label of "Fascist".
I mean the bugs are the litteral perfect Communists. So collective minded they can't even comprehend another species as having individual groups or members. This book and a large number of others have a very strong argument against Communism...and yet despite many of them being very anti-fascist they are all labeled as "fascist" to keep them burried, or the societies they present labeled as "Satire" so you know to just mentally disregard everything and stop thinking at all as you watch the funny lightshow, "see how his leg was ripped off... funny... audience laugh now."
Because trench coats and armies pretty much, basically retardo reasons.
Edit: It also probably helps that just like the film director the leftists are unlikely to have ever actually read the book (FFS most of them have clearly never even read their OWN ideological works).
@Brett Musil Fascism is definitely an overused term, but the society of starship troopers doesn't reject liberalism. If anything it seems to embrace it more than we currently do. To put it simply the society is a worldwide "founding fathers" vision of America.
@@codyraugh6599 commisars were part of the red army not the Wehrmacht
@@thanquolrattenherz9665 k Kommissar, they were state agents to ensure that the "free evil capitalists" or however Socialists like to describe capitalists, obeyed they party's directives or they lose their companies and freedom...and maybe life because selling to 'those' people is now treason.
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I've spotted the Tau.
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@Only Death And it's definitely not canon
The director was already working on a film that in production was called “Bug Hunt at Outpost 9”
... care to guess what parts of that movie got carried over to Starship Trooper when the studio Paul was working at bought the movie rights?
The part with the outpost?
@@robertnelson9599 You win a cookie
Makes me imagine a movie about actual nazis fight giant insects, and I kinda wanna watch that now.
Umm, the co-Ed shower scene?
Julian Kirby that... I’m not really sure what point that scene was for... though for as much as I dislike Paul I will give him credit for actually filming that scene nude when the actors told him that’s the only way they would do it.
The imperium news network
“Only a 100 000 guardsmen dead in the first thirty minutes”
Hey in the imperium that would be a glorious victory.
100 000 dead in the first 30 minutes? Great news indeed!
@@LeaderoftheFates That's just the losses from equipment failure on landing to the Imperium
That's great news!! They it took 30 minutes! They lost that much in far less time.
Only 100,000? In thirty minutes?! That's one of the most elite regiment of guardsmen I've ever heard of!
The United Citizen Federation is not a fascist regime, its a Stratocracy
- Want to know more? -
Yes
@@yorksky9305 I guess he didn't know.
- Federal Network -
"Each day starship troopers fans are finding out new ways to educate others."
- FEDERAL SCIENTIST -
"Your average fan isn't very smart, you can show them the movie and they still have an 86% chance of calling it fascist.
"So here's a tip: Show them book, and put down there opinions for good."
- Would you like to know more? -
It's really not either. There is separation between military and civilian government.
The sky marshals are shipped serving to the u c f administration and the federal council
Arch listing off the kits for Mobile Infantry.
Imperial Commissar: I need a new pair of pants.
and extra ammunition clip.
I run out of ammo last time from shooting cowardly guardsmen.
@@DeinosCZ
Magazine is what holds and feeds ammunition into a weapon. A clip holds ammunition to be fed into a magazine but not into a firearm. Cheers.
Did he get too excited or just shit his pants?
cnlbenmc yes
@@StevenTheAristolianNerd Clipazines
Regardless of silliness, I will always love Starship Troopers
Starship Troopers has a good helping of silliness with the bureaucracy and society; 40k has the same silliness its Orks. A spoonful or two of 'not taking itself too seriously' does an expansive sci-fi universe good, it would seem.
Everytime I play Starcraft I always do Zerg vs Terran and pretend it is Starship Troopers.
Fun movies I just would have enjoyed them more if it didn't take almost all its proper nouns from the book and claim to be Starship Troopers which it was not.
starship troopers has a societal and political, notwithstanding military, organization that reminds me more of the early Roman empire more than anything else.
A militaristic society where you have to earn your citizenship through a process where the values of the society become your own through harsh training and blood shed, regardless of your religious affiliation, race or sexual orientation....also gender.
Difference is in service length. 2 years vs 20+.
Yes very Hellenic
@@p_serdiuk Well with how vast the Federation is, especially compared to the Romans, it only makes sense to have a shorter service time to become a citizen.
Plus in the beginning of the movie, the Federation wasn't actually at war with the Arachnids. So there wouldn't really be a reason to have a longer time.
.458 SOCOM does absolutely terrifying things with the right bullet selection (penetrators designed to punch through the skull of dangerous game), fits into an AR-15, at the cost of 10 rounds per standard 30 round magazine, less range, and more recoil
AA12, Saiga 12 or Fostech Origin 12 (style points for looking like a bolter) are magazine-fed shotguns and would work well scaled up.
@@InquisitorJack do I hear an 8 Gauge Halo M90 CAWS somewhere in here?
I like how Arch describes what was basically machinegun crews from WW1 as a solution for ammunition logistics in a sci fi universe.
And to be fair, after some modifications (replace heavy MG with light/general purpose MG and instead of one person distribute mags/belts in whole team) it still works
To be fair not much of battlefield logistics has changed. If the kit of a unit is too heavy to reasonably distribute to the average soldier simply stick it on the biggest man available. There's a reason why the image of a stereotypical machine gunner has them covered in ammunition belts.
I carried that many rounds with me in Afghanistan. That is just a little less than double individual load out for standard patrols.
Plus that Clip carrier you can convert into Magazine Bandolier if you are expecting businness
Always nice to have former soldiers in the comments section.
Ah, but was it 7.62?
@Russian Bot #568984 My condolences for your knees, then.
@@rdubayoo 7.62 x 39? The one they're talking about here I think is the 7.62 x 51, M-14/FAL ammo.
Actually 400 rounds of ammo is not that crazy, the US soldier has already +300 (not always but a lot of times) rounds of 556 and with the new 6.8 round the army wants to adopt being lighter 400 rouds is completely posible.
And federation absolutely have tech to go ultra light polymer casings or caseless...
Yeah, but this is supposedly .308/ 7.62x51.
@@farmerboy916 It would be posible if it is caseless telescopic ammo it would be lighter and more compact but it would keep the power
@@Lee1enfield Except then it wouldn't be 7.62x51, it'd be a different round that replicates it. But it is specifically stated to be 7.62x51. Also caseless is probably a dead end, polymer cased telescoped is much better and more feasible. Either way your weight/ bulk savings is significant, but not magical; iirc it's a ~40% weight savings for pct, which means that even a PCT 7.62x51 equivalent would still be heavier than a standard brass cartridge 5.56 (and I'm being generous with those numbers, the latter is less than half as heavy to start with). So the soldier would still be way overloaded, with so many of such a large cartridge.
But not in 3 magazines and definitely not in 7.62x51.
Starship Troopers is probably my favourite book of all time, but I heartily recommend anyone who enjoys it to then read Joe Haldeman's The Forever War for a different take on a similar concept.
ColinP Smith or a warhammer 40k story
I read the book in middle school it was in my teacher's classroom on her bookshelf and I remember reading that book because I was in trouble for I don't even remember why but the teacher realized that punishing me by forcing me down and requiring me to read a book was like throwing a rabbit into a briar patch. If you get the literary reference to left at the end you get a cookie.
It's an awesome book worth it if you're a fan of power armor or 40K. Or just reasonably well written sci-fi war stories.
@@MichaelBW-bn9gf Brer Fox' cookie?
Can confirm both are excellent. I would even recommend Old Man's War (despite Sclazi being a shithead, I still fucking adore OMW, it's a much more modern flavor of Forever War, kinda, it's pretty fucking good just read it).
“Brain Bug”?
_Don’t be Absurd!_
🎩
🐍 no step on SNEK! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Wouldn't have guessed to see the big snek man here
*pets the SNEK*
@In the halls of madness, dwells a mad philosopher. ahead of its time, lol
Put your hand on the wall soldier.
Snek dude even more based than I expected
The novel never try to proselytize or endorse war and conflict. It's a very subtle anti-war story, mainly because the bug war is a never ending war, between two species biologically unable to communicate with each other to reach an understanding.
That works until the third film where it turns out the bugs could speak to us all along lol
I highly recommend the Forever war which a portion of the book is dedicated to this very concept.
I’Z LIKE DA OOMIE IN THE THUMBNAIL
Federation has nice weapons.
DA ONLI GUDD 'OOMIE IS A DEAD 'OOMIE AN' IF YOUZ DON'T KNOW THAT YOU AIN'T ONE OF DA BOYZ! IF YOU WAS HERE I WOULD KRUMP YOU GUDD.
Great, another species to Q Bomb
17:22 In the book the instructors do shoot live rounds (from a normal rifle) at the recruits to "motivate" them to seek cover fast, and intentionally aim for arms and legs. Anything that is not a fatal hit, can be fixed by the medics.
it’s only 1 in ever 500 or so sounds is actually live(or at least that’s what the recruits are told... and then have confirmed when a live bullet gazes one of them across the butt cheeks if I recall right) and as the training goes on and intensifies that ratio gets smaller and smaller.
Even the arachnids werent accurate because theyjust ignored the existence of the workers and made the warriors much weaker than indicated
wait i thought the giant cockroaches were the workers in the movies.
@@demonocolips maybe, though in the books it sounded like workers were supposed to be a very high portion of the population and they warriors had ranged weapons
@@demonocolips and the workers were supposed to be almost indistinguishable from the warriors
@@jeice13 I remember from the book a quick rule of thumb when it comes to telling warrior bug and worker bug apart, was, if it runs at you, warrior, if it runs away, worker
@blackrave404 I honestly prefer the movie version of the bugs. Makes more sense humanity would underestimate their intelligence
The M2 "Ma Duce" is the longest serving firearm in the US Military having entered service in 1933 - so 87 years of use at this point. The .50 cal is the epitome of "if it ain't broke don't fix it," and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The only other firearm to come close to the M2 is the Colt 1911 at 74 years.
The Colt 1911 was superseded by the M9 in the 90s, but the 1911 was still issued afterwards. Although the latest formal US military project I can find relating to it was 2004 by the Army Marksmenship Unit. So although the 1911 isn't 'issued' as a standard sidearm it is still formally utilized by special forces units of all branches of the United States military. Almost 110 years of significant first-world military use for that one. Then there's the Browning 1919 - that was formally adopted in 1919 (of course =) ) and variants in 7.62x51 are still in widespread military use as a medium machine gun - Humvees and coaxials on second-line armor and emplacements and such.
I wonder if that means we're going to see militaries carrying M4s and M16s in 2060 and police carrying Glock G17's in 2080?
@@angry_zergling I'm pretty sure 200 years from now AK47 will likely still be used by militia forces or Rebels around the world. The Assault Riffle is durable and easy to use as heck.
@@worlds3061 personally I would bet more on that AK in 7,62 and 5,45 will be issued in 2060s due to sheer stocks of them if nothing else
@@Jfk2Mr Aaand easy to make , like reeeealy easy to make ,maintain , u can punish that gun to no end and it will still fire
@@worlds3061Actual AK-47s aren't as common as you think(Though they are VERY common) because there's a whole line of AKs, from the 47 to the modern day (104 or something?) with the most common being the AK-47, AKM, AK-74, and AK-74M.
Never forget that in the original books they had jump pack, power armor, and wrist mounted nuke launcher flamethrower combo. They are the only sci fi ‘space marines my that could hold a candle to 40ks. Also the whole sleep on command from superior officer via hypnotic conditioning was mentioned in one of the alpha legion Horus heresy books
People don’t know what fascism is, they just know what it _looks_ like.
@J Redfield the joke is, people need to read up on what they are spouting bullshit about.
People don't know what fascism looks like in modern day life
The funny part, is that Germanys fascism wasn't fascism, it was socialism. Italy was fascist, stalin said that germany was fascist for propaganda as it would have looked bad for two socialist States fighting
@@rebeccaconlon9743 fascism as it is discribed, very flexible yet i would argue it was fascism, And not socialist, see fascism is a third party position striving to take from both left(wich you can argue is socialism) and right wing. but in essence only that wich works and is proven to work. the vast differense in social, economical, and ethics in the nation socialist movement is vastly different from that of Stalin's and any other socialist or communist state that has existed. Also there is the obvious red line that fascism existed due to counter communism, especialy the national socialist party was directly risen to combat the communist gangs and political army's and very real army's sent from Russia to topple governments.
Thank Leni Reifenstahl for that.
I’ve heard the society in the book described as a “Fascist Meritocracy”. Wot?
The left selected to hate the book and use it as their "this is fascism" so no matter what and no matter how much qny Aspect of any Communist society might mirror it, its the satanic opposite of the glory of our lord and savior Maxist Christ...i mean Communism...because we said it's Fascist and Fascist is magically the opposite of authoritarian Statist Dictatorship, by being a Statist Dictatorship with heavy Authoritarian principles.
@Archaon The Everchosen well Starship trooper presents to us a Communist society as per the Manifesto. The bugs, they randomly attack everyone because they cannot comprehend a single individual or planetary collective being seperate from the entire species, and they have no regard for life, or for anyone else, let alone how they destroy their own worlds.
@Archaon The Everchosen It requires a certain level of ignorance and evil to think that.
@Brett Musil
Starship Troopers is a society I'd like to be in, absolutely
@Brett Musil yet the party members (aka those who served in the military and can noe vote) cannot own buisnesses the government doesn't control any buisnesses, there isn't a dictatorship, and the buisnesses which we already established aren't owned by the government aren't competing for the favor of the dictator so they may do buisness. (Funny how a study of fascist economics shows that theyand the modern US have more in common than the so called Fascists of the book)
Ah purple eyes, a man of culture I see you are Arch!
The planet broke before the guard did
The spice must flow. Wait wrong series. Don't wake the dragon! Wait not that one either. Geralt's tsundere girlfriend? No? Man so many purple eyes I can't keep them straight.
PrupleEyes? WTF?
@@OzixiThrill it’s from warhammer 40k the planet cadia people born on there tended to have purple eyes
@@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536 I know.
PurpleEyesWTF is also a YT channel that did some weeb stuff like half a decade or so ago. Which was a Hail-Mary throwback on my part.
The Federation. "WOULD you like to know more?"
Fascism. "You ARE going to know more."
Klendathu Drop song still gives me chills after all these years.
I follow this one youtuber, also a lore jockey, every time he talks about star ship troopers. He calls them fascist and claims to have read the book. I'm fairly certain he has never read the book. Its total cringe.
Arch you should do a play through of starship.troopers Marauder. Also watch the series.
Roughnecks was pretty good. Points deducted for early CGI but a good show.
@@26th_Primarch yeah i have it all on dvd.
"The news all tells the truth"
Media majors be like: "..This doesn't make sense, what am I reading?"
Paul Verhoeven: make me a movie that's political satire of facism.
Everyone who read the book: be a lot cooler if you didn't
*several decades later when a remake of the movie is announced and that it will actually try to follow the book*
Paul: I really wish they wouldn’t, this is the last thing we need in Trump’s America, more fascist propaganda.(not even joking... the man really said, though not word for word, this in a interview when he was asked about the upcoming remake)
Me: Paul... I understand your upset the Nazis invaded your country when you were a baby... but the Nazis are dead... MOVE ON.
I've read the book, and I love the movie.
@@tehkill3r it's a wonderfully campy movie, but it doesn't do its source material justice
@@danielbissett-taylor4450 oh yes it's a horrible adaptation but incredibly fun and even the movie which is supposed to be satire of fascism wasn't all that fascist lol
19:46 "Wouldn't it be nice if we had some grenades about now??" - Jayne Cobb
Verhoeven: Make a satire of Fascism out of this novel!
Writer 1: How?
……
Writer n: Make a reference to the bombing of Hiroshima as a symbol of might makes right.
Me (an ethnic Chinese): You what, mate?
Context: Japan got nuked into submission, thus sparing my grandfather's generation at least a couple more years of war physically kicking the Japanese out of China, and both Japan and the US the Operation: Downfall. So yeah- if Verhoeven thinks he's got even a toss-up, let alone a preferred alternative, for me on this subject, he'd be *gravely* mistaken.
@Archaon The Everchosen whoa holy shit I saw in in another comment section can't remember the video though
Surely you can still agree that the massive loss of civilian live was a tradigy right?
dy031101 but in that case the example is correct right? Using violence to solve problems , which is what the federation wants
@@JeroenDoes i think you'll find most armies and nations through history think "killing my civilians is bad, killing yours is a regretful necessity" and once in a while you'll get one that does it for shits and giggles.
last time I was this early, Klandathu had been designated a pesticide free area by PETA as bugs were our friends!
Neither Klendathu nor the Arachnids will bother us again in the millennia to come. The defeat will be purged from records and the creatures forgotten. The planet's name will be: "Murder". ... What could possibly go wrong?
8:02 The problem with all of this, Arch, is that the Morita was a pre-war design. It clearly was NOT intended for use against the arachnids. In fact, none of the Mobile Infantry is prepared for combat against the bugs. They're trained against human opposition at boot camp. All of their tactical acumen seems aimed at dealing with pilots, raiders, and other trouble makers, not arachnids.
In the book, they are armed with the capacity to take on entire nests of bugs in small groups. The Starship Troopers Anime actually does an amazing job covering this element of the SST universe. If we could get the way the anime depicted the combat, and combine it with the movies usage of the political philosphy, but shed off all the nazi imagery, we'd have the perfect adaptation of the book.
8:57 Problem with that is, you do need to aim if you want to be effective. Shooting the warriors randomly is not effective. You have to aim for the nerve stem. AIM. FOR. THE. NERVE. STEM.
12:06 ... Not really. Have you seen a modern infantry pack? With dozens of pockets for 30 round magazines? 360 rounds is pretty standard.
21:47 Again, the problem with a lot of this theorizing is its not taking into account the reality the film presents us. The Mobile Infantry was not setup to fight the bugs. They had to make do with what they had. None of their weapons or equipment are designed for the war against the bugs. The closest thing to that description is the nuke launchers.
22:52 That's their excuse, but if they had spent the money on building a few ape suits instead of building hundreds of mobile infantry combat armors and stunt Moritas, they could have built APE suits. Design them like an elegant space suit, and they would be relatively inexpensive to make. Helmet, leotard, additional armored and sculpted pieces on top, keep them light so that the actors can perform in them. Put some lights on em. Boom. Ape suits.
You also wouldn't need the dropship to be so complex if you built the ape suits, because they are dropped directly from the ship in orbit to the planet.
26:48 I'm going to stop you right there because I know where you're going already... We see the bombers at Klendathu. We see them de-orbitting with the dropships. We just don't see them in action once we get to the surface. Presumably they were dropping ordinance, but the thing is... Those bombers can only, or seem to be only capable of doing one run at a time. Meaning they drop their ordinance, return to orbit, and then have to rearm and refuel for another sortie. It's not that they weren't at Klendathu, it's just that we didn't see them in action.
Arch I think you forgot about the CGI TV show: Roughnecks Starship Trooper Chronicles, Which borrowed from both the Movie and Book series
and in there things were a little different
I remember the TV show. Liked it better than any of the live action movies.
I think i watched that series here on youtube. We're talking like 10-15 years ago. They weren't bad. Took a few episodes to get into it.
They also use some personal transports/weapon platforms like mechs for front line support too.
i havent seen that one yet, only other Starship Troopers movie i own on DVD is Invasion.
@@MLPDethDealr32 I Recommend it, it maybe toned down in terms of violence but in a weird way it ramps up the Horror elements. and granted the CGI has not aged well but hey if you like Reboot then you'll like it.
The same can be said of other Sci-fi societies like the Gamilas from Space Battleship Yamato( fighters based off of German WW2 aircraft, a very similar salute and the biological determanism of their species) but at closer looks they are a "religiously" derived monarchy with a leader who uses similar techniques to rule over an interstellar empire with an iron fist. But is not fascistic.
But isn't the punchline that they're just literally Blue-Skinned Humans with purple blood because of their "Homeworld's" atmospheric contaminants that actually make it harder for them to settle other worlds (kinda like the Helgast from Killzone now that I think of it).
@@cnlbenmc and they have different kind of sun
Also alexandrians are at fault because they will one way or another will kill billions of gammilans because they are a twin planet and alexandria blocked their sun
Saw the background I click
The forward-of-grip magazine well, mixed with the bullpup action (behind the grip), attached to a very long barreled forend... never ceases to make me laugh how ridiculous their weapons are. xD
Oh lord that is funny, I never noticed that.
11:40 to be fair it's not like 40k is any better. You cannot look at a bolter and tell me that carries over 10 rounds.
Yep a bolter round to a bolter magazine is sort of the same thing as a .458 SOCOM or .50 Beowulf round is to an AR-15 magazine. At that width, it HAS to be a single stack mag.
Bolters in 40K art are slightly not to scale.
Slightly.
I still wonder where they are hiding all the magazines that they must chew through.
Arch you might want to consider the Starship troopers anime ( Yes yes I know) as it was overseen by Heinlein and thus is fairly close to the book.
Wait WHAT WHERE
@@helldiverintelligencehighcom It's available with English Subtitles right here on RUclips.
Thx
@@reignick1133 Do you have a link?
@@QwertyBoredom122 ruclips.net/video/XIZty-Eol4s/видео.html
There ya go.
If i remember correctly; In the book they use inderpowered rounds in training, but every 500th is a regular one, to keep the training interesting.
Blanks arent underpowered im pretty sure the distinction is that it has no projectile
@@jeice13 Im well aware of the difference, but i believed they used underpowered rounds. I might have to go back to the book for confirmation.
@@thomasrehbinder7722 i just went through it as an audiobook yesterday. Though i think in the movies they didnt use blanks hence the helmet issue
@@jeice13 You might be right. I havent read the book in years. Allthough Swedish blanks have wooden projektile in the case of the 6.5 and 7.62 mm calibre blanks, and a bakelite projektile in the case of the 9 mm blanks. The wooden ones were quite dangeous up to a distance of five meters until we developed a muzzle stopper. The bakelite ones went through a one inch plank at five meters.
@@thomasrehbinder7722 interesting. I expect that has something to do with mitigating recoil so blanks without that do probably reduce the powder load
Ah yes the best 40k movie we will ever get.
That is event horizon :). Followed closely by Astartes.
Come on ya Jakaros! You wanna live forever?!!
-Commissar Johny Rico.
*laughs in Helsreach, Astartes and Death Of Hope*
@@kangkong6795 real life movies. Also astartes and death of hope are not movies yet.
From my memory of the Course Scene is that after the event, everyone was acting like if he only kept his helmet on he would of survived the shot to the head.
@J Redfield And at least one season of Power Rangers....
arch, in the first world war, the arditi group were issued 1 knife and 20 handgranade each for platoon, 2 platoon with 1 smg and 10k rounds added to the previous loadout and 2 soldiers with 4 sack of 150 granades each. So, yah, 500 rounds is pretty belivable in future
Space Marines power armour, assault squads, wrist and shoulder mounted weapons are what the Mobile Infantry exactly are. There was an anime of Starship Troopers back in 88 that showed this. Yes GW are very much the Blood Ravens at this point.
Except the power armor in the Book Starship troopers was much more "mobile" and the firepower of an individual soldier is compared to that of a WW2 armored division. With some soldiers being given suit mounted mini nukes if the occasion warranted. The tech would be closer to WH40ks tech from the "Dark Age of Technology".
@@Greymist73 Yeah all I'm saying is GW took the whole MI concept chopped it up and put it different units. You could totally kitbash an MI using space marines
Hrm, you may want to read the books Arch.
Its quite the contrast form the insane movie you describe to the rational Books' description of the marine's flying jepack powerarmored exoskeletons with rapid-fire shoulder-launched nuke rockets.
There's more than one book?
Arch a M249 Weight:
With bipod and tools: 15.16 pounds (6.88 kilograms)
200-round box magazine: 6.92 pounds (3.14 kilograms) and we carry 4
that not counting optics and lasers or god only knows what else the ARMY thinks you need i could see them carrying that big POS rifle
I think this will need 2 lore video series, one being the movies, the other being the actual book and original. As there is so much the movie subverted from the original its basically a parallel universe difference between the 2.
As a former m60 e3 gunnery. Carry 4 drums one on the gun.and three on me and my ag caring the spare barrel and and 1000 to 1500 rounds
I would be honoured to live in this society.
Sadly I'm in Britain and my people are now subservient and weak. Most haven't even had a fight in their lives and cannot imagine a world of danger
"DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE" yes, yes we do :)
Sargon actually made a really great video about the politics of Starship Troopers a while back.
Arch starred in it.
Was a very good watch
2:45 "War situation has not necessarily developed to Japan's advantage" -The Showa Emperor (aka Hirohito), in the broadcast announcing the surrender of Japan at the end of WW2.
Yeah, governments do not like giving bad news to their population.
Is it me or did you thought when you saw the picture for the first time the girl lips was a moustache?
Can't unsee this XD
♤♤ Yep
No but now I can't not see it.
I was too busy looking at, uh.... other things.
Obviously I'm talking about the cool warrior bug in the background.
I didn't but I do now. Damn.
So for those who, like me, need something to visually imagine the idea of the bugs : A polar bear weighs around 500kg. So picture a heavily armored, multi legged polar bear ploughing down on you. Then imagine thousands of them. Once you stop wetting your pants, you will have the rough idea xD
Starship Arch fanart incoming :D
Pretty certain why men and women still join the federal army is because they get angry when they see their men died so they join up with more anger and courage as young teens being told not to do it it encourages them to actually do it.
Fresh meat for the grinder
Gotta Keep in mind that the movies budget also influenced the lack of certain aspects like power armor
That is good. Otherwise the Ultramarines would have won that tyranic war too...
Lord Askr no i mean the book has many believe to be the first scifi power armor, is in the book cover And is a main selling point omiten from the movie
J Redfield true true, the art of being cheap is not a easy one, And that's why a 40 k movie seems like a pipe dream
@J Redfield Except Rico did not get Field Punishment for that in the book. It was a simulated rocket that he snapped across his line of advance without clarifying the situation, which would, had it been real (it was not, it was simulated in the suits HUD systems) have killed a squad mate. Even though it was a simulated fire it was still considered gross negligence by MI, thus why he was punished for it.
Dont think, just because I liked the video, that I will wear a silly uniform too. My Inquisitorbagde and my Psistaff is all I need. The EMPEROR protects !
I find that brain bug in the pic "offensive".
Do you think the arachnids circumcise their brain bugs when they are born or no?
@@angry_zergling Arachnids do clitoridotomy. Google it and have pleasant dreams.
@@Aserbic Thankfully I know enough about what that is to NOT Google it!
That was very mean of you to try to make me claw out my own eyes. You are NOT bae, or my senpai, or my bro!
@@angry_zergling no I am not...
For I am your WAIFU.
And you will join me in the darkness someday...
Arch, one thing that stuck out for me about the live fire course in the movie was the fact that the targets in it were shaped like humans, firing human weapons. During the throwing knife scene, they keep talking about how their style of warfare seemed pointless, due to the existence of nuclear weapons. Disabling the enemy's hand, so that they cannot press the button, seems to only apply to humans.
That Mormon colony that was wiped out by the arachnids early on was also described as being a separatist colony. It seems likely that, before the bug war, the Federation military was used to keep both the populace of Earth and it's colonies in line. Also, the bug war seemed to catch people by surprise, as well.
this is a tragedy, that one of the best political systems described by a man was put in line with nazi and facizm
Wasn't there a 20mm semiautomatic grenade launcher seen on the YT channel Forgotten Weapons? Seems like a good solution to the charging warrior bugs.
AGLs are heavy and extremely wobly in shooting. Requires at least tripod, at best full scale vehicle to mount. And those are not AP, they have low muzzle velocity. If you need AP 20+mm, you will end up with something as heavy as soviet 2A42 or US M242 variation. (vehicle only)
@@heyhoe168 Well, sorta. One of the most common rounds for 40mm grenades is the HEDP, or “High Explosive Duel Purpose” which can penetrate the side of LAVs like MRAPs. Not to mention shrapnel and concussive forces, 40mm AGLs loaded with HEDP would probably be quite effective. Even then, I don’t think average warrior bug could tank a regular 40mm HE anyone, much less a close grouping of them.
@@stuglife5514 there is a big difference between 20 mm and 40 mm.
Great video, Arch. And great *ballistics*
I love the assault course cause I was once shown it on a briefing for a gun range on what NOT to do. However understanding that there were location and budget concerns got in the way, it’s not so egregious. Still amazingly stupid and annoying, but understandable considering what got in way. They did want a good assault course, but couldn’t get it.
Still feels like something the armory supervisor for the movie should have brought up though
I was a machine gunner in Afghanistan and I would like to refute the weight issues raised by Arch. My standard patrol gear would consist of:
M240B ~26 Lbs
1200 rounds of 7.62x51mm ~45 Lbs
M4 w/RCO strapped to my pack~8Lbs
6 mags of 5.56 (28/mag) ~?
M9 +2 mags~?
Body armor+Helmet~45-50Lbs
I don’t see it as unreasonable for the Mobile Infantry to carry 500 rounds.
nice background image.
need to know more intensifies!!!!
US army veteran here, standard loadout is 300 rounds for regular dude, way more if you were carrying anything special like a “machine gun”.
With practice you can “snap” the sight picture of the iron sights or scope almost instantly, like almost zero noticeable difference between firing instantly and that’s if you don’t take into effect that when combat is happening it’s already up ready to fire.
Muscle memory is the key
from what ive heard the live firing course was built like this because budget reasons now if its true or not i cannot say
"how do we make it facist?" giant flags? yes, and it worked.
"I personally find the idea of a "thinking bug" offensive."
This is why anyone on the left side political compass shouldn't be allowed to make political decisions.
now thats sum spicy artwork arch! X3
also this video is utterly hilarious XD
Man, I dunno why, but I suddenly feel an urge to volunteer.
I feel two urges....
this thumbnail is pretty good at representing the silly yet.....terrifying nature of the SST universe.
I'll forever hate Paul Verhoeven for what he did to my favorite book.
Their society was basically libertarian for everyone but citizens.
Normal folk ignored the government and lived free lives. Only citizens were restricted in behavior, and rhey were ruled by military law their whole lives.
I heard that this movie was originally supposed to be called "Assault on the Bug Planet", but someone noticed the slight parallel to the then-40-years-old book, so it was decided to add the satyrical aspect and change the title.
It's pretty obvious nobody was ever meant to think this hard about the SST movie.
Also the tv show had tanks on Pluto which was also a planet with no infrastructure and shit terrain and those tanks used wheels instead of tracks.
Hi Arch, Thank you for the video. I'm a veteran combat engineer. I was in the U.S. Army active duty. I also served in Afghanistan. I only mention that last part to talk about my combat gear. You're spot on about the Morita, and it would be far too heavy, with all the extra rounds to carry realistically. You wouldn't be able to move at all, but they have mech suits in the book so it makes more sense there as you already know I'm sure. For the movie it makes zero sense. Especially for smaller soldiers, average, or even fit females. Not being sexist, I couldn't do it either and I'm reasonably fit and strong. Especially while I served. I carried 240 rounds with an M-4, (5.56 btw) and I also had a M-249 (also called a SAW) for a little while. I could probably have carried around 400 but it would be difficult. Some soldiers carried more ammo than I did but mine was the average amount. My total gear weight was probably about 50-80 pounds already. It changed sometimes. The Mobile Infantry load would be like 3 times that I would guess. That's insane. I've also operated a .50 cal and they're crazy to use. It would tear through bugs that's for damn sure. It's definitely not the same as the Mobile Infantry.
I'm about the same size as Casper Van Dien. He's a bit taller. The only thing I wonder is if the humans from that universe are enhanced somehow. I kinda assumed that with the football scenes. They were doing flips with ease. It made the amount they had to carry a bit more believable for me at least. Though after your video that's laughable. I had no idea it was supposed to hold that many rounds. WTF. :) What I would have liked is if the Morita was a kind of rail gun. That would make sense for it's size and ammo count in that case. I just thought I'd add a little personal experience to what you said in the video.
Mortars would have been useful as well, especially with incendiary rounds.
Too slow damage. You need something similar to ww2 era anti armour shells. heavy piercing ammo, that actually has minor explosive charge to do maximum immediate damage behind armour. Also, chemical warfare.
16:00 The swiss army used to have similar life fire training. Over and side firing was often trained. The machine gun firing 5 m over the heads of advancing infantery.
Typically, bullpup rifles have lower recoil. The recoil spring tends to be longer and keeps the recoil internalized
I've fired an L85, AUG and AR15....recoil was mildest in the AR15.
Overall mass of moving parts, recoil/buffer spring strength, bolt travel distance (ultimax LMG is a good example where this is all looked at to mitigate recoil)...then how much mass you have forward of the trigger, the muzzle devices like directional brakes (Holbeck device or the Cutts compensator being early examples).
Excellent vid
But you underestimate controlled hip fire haha
The Arch-tist sure do work fast
"the whooshy fire". Nice to see he's using the scientific technical terminology here.
The Morita actually inspired a real life weapon, look up Forgotten Weapons OICW, it was invented by H&K to replace the M16 but was considered to big and heavy but when H&K asked the US army how they wanted the system to look the General staff said "we want it more Starship Trooper like"
I always knew the Morita looks like the German G36 Rifle.
Love the preview, I thought I would not see it in the video. The best 36:17 minutes on youtube
i was very young wen i first saw that movie like 13 or something an i never thought that federation were nazis.... havent crossed my stupid little mind
Film version of starship troopers universe a modified version of 18th century line infantry tactics. I.E a massive firing line or square footage of this is an appointment to volley firing 2 to 3 ranks deep on fully automatic would seem to be a logical tactic against bug hordes and more modern tactics for small squad engaments
I'm not comfortable with the amount of 'uwu' energy coming out of that brain bug...
movie did not show it, but while world was fighting the bugs, japan artist were lewding bug-girls.
I prefer the Morita carbine to the full size rifle, It seems to have a more realistic size for a bullpup.
All that weight they have to carry it’s almost like the M.I need big AC mech suits just saying
In the book they have armor suits
river george yes I know it one of my fav books as is stranger in a strange land
That vest can pb bounce artillery shells back at the enemy
Not gonna lie, that brainbug is looking Kawaii....
*Brainbug*: UwU I'm gonna slurp your bwains out, desu!
TFW no brainbug GF
*RELIEF INTENSIFIES*
12:00 as a veteran of the United States Army and my squad's machine gunner / ECLS (Emergency Combat Life Saver) I carried my ECLS Medic bag, M249 (loaded w/ 100 round belt), 2 extra belt bags, my M16, 210 rounds for my M16 (7 magazines), helmet, plate carrier vest w/ armor plates and whatever else little nicks and nacks. I'm small having only weighed 140 lbs. at the time but I still carried all that shit into battle and was combat effective.
So just so everyone knows you can fire th AA12 12 gauge shotgun in full automatic with one hand and aim. Tge have already figured out how to due recoil dampening that would match what is shown in the movie. Russia for the win.
I’m adoring this series, please keep up the good work.
Arch have you ever thought about doing a azur lane video? Perhaps lore or gameplay?
The crapsack world of Girls Frontline would probably be more familiar to him
not going to lie I saw the thumbnail and thought MajorKill had made a video response to arch.