Starship Troopers! Terran Federation Commentary, Should Service Guarantee Citizenship?
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Given how modern democracies across the world, just give things away to gain votes. Or get in the way of hard working people.
*"The first lesson of economics is Scarcity there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics."*
~Thomas Sowel
Well said, it’s concerning how few people have an understanding of basic economics nowadays
@@strafe155, Thomas is definitely one of greats of our time.
Heh, ah the political serpents are horrid things.
The problem is that nowdays career politicians are based on private (usually company) sponsors for marketing making them puppets of them
@@christoforosdrakiotis8987 that has been an issue for a long time.
Not teaching children economics, civics, philosophy, and critical thinking isn’t a failure of the public indoctrination system, it’s a core feature
hey knowledge comes from the family not schools
@@320466 not when the family has spent generations losing those very traits, through the school systems.
As a communist I do agree ! Tho if you look at philosophy school in France weeeeelllllll, you will probably see that is for the best, + a lot of philosophy requiere to be mature to truly be understood, so you will always have to look Dominique Pagani vids to educate yoruself later, a bit like with History.
But it is essential for public services to give everyone the basic.
Yeah. My country's education system was created to produce peons and after independence it still does. No attempt was made to change the basic system
@@darthrevan3342 why do you support communism. It is such a stupid ideology. Sure a welfare state is a good thing but giving compelete cantrol over everything to a bunch of politicians and bureaucrats, bad idea.
The...uh...the Sky Marshal certainly commands a certain presence, doesn't she?
She's got my vote when I finish my service.
Giving her a standing salute even as I am sitting down
Someone just made Tehat Meru a waifu...
I'm convinced it is the Sky Marshal's "presence" as to why the chibi-brainbug has stopped sucking his juice box is staring intently in her direction.
@@spartanalex9006 I believe the position of Sky Marshal is an appointed position, there's no popular election for it. In the novel the Sky Marshal don't have any political or executive power, he is appointed by some kind of legislative process, and is ultimately accountable to the same legislative. Is an extension of the same restriction of political rights all service members have during their service.
Theres an old story by Aristophanes,
PraxagoraI: I want all to have a share of everything and all property to be in common; there will no longer be either rich or poor; I shall begin by
making land, money, everything that is private property, common to all
Blepyrus: But who will till the soil?
Praxagoral: *The Slaves.*
The Robots. EDIT: given the etymological root of "robot", it's an appropriate modernism.
@@sciencemile I be honest , i don't trust the robot can do everything .
@@kampfer91 I trust the robots to try and take over the world once they realize that they’re the ones doing all the work 🤖👾
Nevermind robots.
Whip daddy harder. You won't get any work done, I just want callouses and scars for right now.
@@JPLOWMAN2 "Keep it simple, keep it dumb, or else you'll wind up under Skynet's thumb."
I think it's telling that Isaac Arthur, a self-described techno-optimist, who believes that advancing technology under known science could solve pretty much all woes, still warns that reckless use of technology is like juggling live hand grenades.
Somewhere, a leftist is having a stroke watching this.
Not a leftist, but that I would say that it is easier for a dictatorship to seize control of a democracy if the public had start with no voting rights until they qualify, instead of having the right to vote but can forfeit that right through high crimes or neglect.
See the thing the leftist are doing to subvert the democracy is two fold. One is foreign influence by demanding everyone in the world is allowed to vote, including "undocumented" residents, then furthermore the other part is proposing a requirement to vote say a college degree, or at the very least make an educational requirement to run for office. Both are against the principles of Universal Suffrage.
what KIND of stroke? the Sky Marshall does look rather morale-strengthening after all ;3
@@Marinealver Citizenship should be a prevelige that should be earned and not something that you're born with.
@@kinagrill Leftist hate attractive women. Thats why they have the body-positivity movement aka. "Obese should be model for attraction, the beach-bod is offensive"
For those who are wondering if the Terran Federation could work in real life:
The long answer is Yes, with a 'but'.
The short answer is Yes, with an 'if'
I liek this. Too often people jsut go "It wouldn't work, because corruption!" and then get angry when same issue is pointed in their preferred system (I had anarchist get very agitated when I pointed how his "perfect" system could easily be twisted into fascist state. All while playing by his rules)
Could system of Terran Federation work? Yes, as long as people are not actively trying to sabotage it. But that goes for everyone system, even our democratic systems of today. They work as long as everyone agrees not to kick the foundations.
@@Mandemon1990 To be fair, getting anarchists to throw temper tantrums is so easy it's barely worth the sport anymore. All you have to do is ask them questions.
@@stevenschnepp576 True, I just remember this because they were so sure that they had their perfect system thought, and we went on "Okay, lets pretend this system in action and i am the asshole wanting to take over" route. He didn't like how his "perfect" system of direct democracy with no actual governmental positions still lead to fascist takeover.
I mean yes, but so could nazism. Or feudalism. Just because a system could work doesn't make it good, which is what you seem to be implying?
@@sambutton8494 Nazism failed because, like all offshoots of socialism, it became a lumbering bureaucratic hellscape, more focused on it's ideological goals than the well-being of its population. Feudalism fails because it requires a massive underclass of poor, uneducated people to prop up a very small aristocratic class, and there was no true social movement in such a society; and what happens if that underclass of people suddenly disappear, as they did with the black plague?
The Terran Federation, at least as shown in the book and the movie, is neither. Anyone can become a citizen in the Federation, provided they complete their federal service. The ideological goals of the Federation include the well-being of the people as a priority, and they believe it's best accomplished by letting a class of people who understand why the Federation does what it does, that being the Veterans, vote. While being more authoritarian than our current governments, it appears to have created a system which is good by most measures.
But, one could argue, and as Arch pointed out, that Heinlein provided a bit of an idealistic version of his system of governance. This is why I said the answer was "Yes, with a but.": Because if we were to attempt to create this system of governance in the real world, there would need to be some checks and balances on the voting class to ensure they don't become another form of Aristocracy. That doesn't even cover the other things that may need to be changed too, like the severity of training because medical tech hasn't progressed that far yet, among other policies.
I’d argue Heinlein DID write the setting where, prior to the Bug War, the majority of Federal Service was not military (or at least non-combat jobs like transportation, equipment maintenance, research and development.)
In Chapter 2 A fleet sergeant tells us “But if you want to serve and I can’t talk you out of it, then we have to take you, because that’s your constitutional right. It says that everybody, male or female, shall have his born right to pay his service and assume full citizenship-but the facts are that we are getting hard pushed to find things for all the volunteers to do that aren’t just glorified K.P. You can’t all be real military men; we don’t need that many and most of the volunteers aren’t number-one soldier material anyhow. Got any idea what it takes to make a soldier?”
Excerpt From
Starship Troopers
Robert A. Heinlein
Doesn't one of the commanders point out that before the bug war most of the military service was just training drills and marching around a parade ground anyway as there weren't enough conflicts to keep the M.I engaged.
@@bengale9977 In chapter 2 the idea of actually having a war is seen as ridiculous by Rico’s father.
“I didn’t say anything. None of it was news to me; I’d thought about it. Father stood up and put a hand on my shoulder. “Son, don’t think I don’t sympathize with you; I do. But look at the real facts. If there were a war, I’d be the first to cheer you on-and to put the business on a war footing. But there isn’t, and praise God there never will be again. We’ve outgrown wars. This planet is now peaceful and happy and we enjoy good enough relations with other planets. So what is this so-called ‘Federal Service’? Parasitism, pure and simple. A functionless organ, utterly obsolete, living on the taxpayers. A decidedly expensive way for inferior people who otherwise would be unemployed to live at public expense for a term of years, then give themselves airs for the rest of their lives. Is that what you want to do?”
@@InquisitorJack Which seems to be a common opinion of militaries whenever there is extensive stretches of peace. I can just as easily see the M.I.'s being assigned to ditch digging duty when training ends and they got no other patrol positions to fill. A standing army will always be hanging around in a modern state, so it's possible the M.I. and navy was a lot smaller before the war, being replaced by police and firemen and other critical civil servants.
Advanced technology would solve that problem. By focusing their scientific efforts on avenues of research that would enable literally anyone to achieve the full functionality of a normal, standard human being, anyone could serve as military personnel.
Furthermore, the military always needs more men. You can never have a military that is "too big" from its own perspective. The more soldiers/officers you have, the more space you can claim and conquer, the more space you can claim and conquer, the more territory you have to defend and the larger a populace you have to draw from, and the cycle continues in an endless expansion.
To make my point, if any single nation on Earth conscripted its entire populace into being military personnel, with the "most useless" becoming cannon fodder and the best becoming full-fledged soldiers, Spec Ops, naval officers etc, that nation would rule the entire planet within a century, OR cause a nuclear apocalypse.
@@StarboyXL9 north korea has the largest military to population size and they are a complete basket case.
The mini-brain bug is just adorable.
I will call it Trumpybrain ;)
In the book, the Brain Bug was around that size.
I find the idea that a bug can think offensive
@@Bar_Steward
No Probleme, Trumpybrain will never think a geniuin thought
The Sky Marshal is THICC AF
“Takes more than a few potshots at communists” is there really a better pastime tho?
They are lucky they are shot in the street. They are just as bad as ghe fasciats.
@@jorawarsingh2595 they are even worse, the body count proves it.
@@jorawarsingh2595 Hitler's high score was surpassed by the Soviets and China.
@@mutegrab666 And that's assuming the mathematically impossible claim of the mainstream narrative that the Nazis somehow killed at least 2 million more jews than they had access to and also somehow left millions of survivors.
@BenjaminTheRogue Considering they still failed to take Ethiopia during the days of the monarchy, maybe they just suck at warfare. Adding in their fuel shortages that forced most of their ships to remain docked, they just don't have what it takes to wage a war that can make body counts to rival the Soviets.
remember that Citizenship also guarantees a beautifull assistant and a Bug Plushie of your prefference.
Where is the dotted line, the bus stop to boot, and how soon can I expect my power armor?
With Chocolate Mommy Milkies like that, who wouldn't?
Brain just had weird visions of chocolate and women. Now as enticing as that weird kink can be, I am not bought out by anything, including fun times in the bedroom.
@@TheKing-qz9wd An actual chocolate woman would be funny. "Eating her out" would take on a whole new dimension.
Uh oh, Mommy issues over here.
@@StarboyXL9
Uh...
Oh...
Hmmm... yeah, you're not wrong but I think it's not healthy to follow your train of thought for too long.
Arch, I'm already into Starship Troopers, I don't need a sexy dark skinned Sky Marshal to lure me in...but I'm not opposed.
If its kinda supposed to be like hes speaking up on the stage, then is he the bug, the little bug or the sky martial? choices choices.
I'd say the words are Arch's, but the voice is hers.
Yes, I am at peace with this.
@Mexican Rocks for Trump 2020
Huh. So you got that kink.
@Sleep Paralysis Demon Nope, I'm half-black half-puerto Rican
@Sleep Paralysis Demon yep you want to fight about it
*"Desire To Know More, Intensifies!"*
m.ruclips.net/video/zwFMszIVGko/видео.html
This is the best Audiobook version of Starship Troopers out there. I highly recommand this.
Dude was scarily accurate about the looting/insurrectionist stuff
Not really, the same thing happen to the sixties, depend on who you ask
Dude wrote in 1949 that we would be on the moon in less then 2 decades. Also talked about solar power, led displays, and the rolling roads. Ok everyone has a miss now and then. Edit: Also gay right and trans genders.
@@woaddragon yes but this book was written in the 50's and Heinlein was writing about civil unrest to in the later half of the 20th century as early as 1941.
@@alexdryver5090 And civil unrest and anarchist movement were around the Gilded Age 1880-1900. Heinlein predicting about incereaction is the same as Otto von Bismark in 1889 that "some Grand European war was going to occur because of what going to happen in those blasted Balken state"
paraphase.
Regardless of whether you agree with their ideology, Ayn Rand and Heinlein were absolutely spot on with a lot of their predictions (the unholy marriage of big business and government stifling competition and increasing incompetence and terrible ideologies destroying economies and causing disasters while masquerading as charity and compassion for Rand).
Could we please get the T H I C C leader image? :3
For all its flaws, I would still take the Chad Heinlein Federation over the Virgin Roddenberry Federation.
I can give you a worse one.
The Kurtzman Federation that just collapsed because he blew up all petroleu...uhhh I mean dilithium.
Yeah that is the worst Federation Kurtzman published his wet dream of destroying the United Staa... I mean United Federation of Planets.
@@Marinealver Yeah, true.
I'd prefer the mega chad the culture from Iain Banks over both though. Honestly one of the most awesome depictions of a futuristic civilisation, if only for the fact their AI ships have the best names ever. The gunboat diplomat, so much for subtlety and no more mr nice guy are my favs.
They say Rome's fall started when they made everyone a citizen, instead of serving or earning it in the legions.
They wanted FULL TAXES from everyone, thats why they started handing out citizenship cards.
The Federation-grade Waifus definitely guarantees Service.
And makes us desire to know more~
“One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” ― Plato
And one of the penalties of participating is the realization that only the top 5% of politcians actually holds the power to do anything about it - Some danish dude :p
“We should just offer the bugs citizenship! We need to be open minded about their beliefs and systems too! BUG LIVES MATTER!”
- Seorge Goros, Bug propagandist
🐍
💀 no step on SNEK! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Skaven: yes yes destroy society
That letter change, got a good chuckle out of me you bastard hahaha
@@thewayfarer8849
No clue what you’re talking about. 😉
*pets the SNEK*
*steps on snek*
Also, the chibi bugs are freaking hilarious, and they better be turned into a plushie
No, don’t turn them into a marketable plushie
@Godd Howard The franchise man, the franchise!
Plushie SkyMarshal waifu please
@@kieranh2005
Ssssshhhhhh...
It's still really just fire in the end
@@deadlymindscape
I think we have enough body pillows and dolls in existence, man.
"If more of our so-called leaders would walk the same streets as the people who voted them in, live in the same buildings, eat the same food instead of hiding behind glass and steel and bodyguards, maybe we'd get better leadership and a little more concern for the future."
-Captain John Sheridan
Their salary could buy them their own guns, ammo and vest.
Once again, even as a science fiction, the book is prophetic, considering what happened in our reality lately and presently.
Isn't that true for every science fiction book.
@@woaddragon no
@@ottersirotten4290 I don't know, Jules Verne "Journey to the moon, has some really weird coincidences. ..
@@woaddragon you mean like how the moon is not made of cheese?
@@diigeri No I referring to this.
During their return journey from the Moon, the crew of Apollo 11 made reference to Jules Verne's book during a TV broadcast on July 23.[3] The mission's commander, astronaut Neil Armstrong, said, "A hundred years ago, Jules Verne wrote a book about a voyage to the Moon. His spaceship, Columbia [sic], took off from Florida and landed in the Pacific Ocean after completing a trip to the Moon. It seems appropriate to us to share with you some of the reflections of the crew as the modern-day Columbia completes its rendezvous with the planet Earth and the same Pacific Ocean tomorrow."
Just to note, the Terran Federation is based on the Roman model, not fascism.
Please actually watch the video before you start demonizing the dude.
That's not RUclips's M.O., they demonetize and play with their d*cks the rest of the time.
RUclips demonizes everything and everyone for being fascists, even if they're just talking about donuts, or something.
@Brett Musil wasn't holding fasces a term used to describe which of the two sitting elected Consuls had first say for a month? The Roman Republic isn't proto fascist at all, that's silly
Using a Roman symbol is not the same as copying the Roman model of governance dude. By that logic, nazi Germany was a dharmic system of government, because of its appropriation of the swatstica
Please read up more than Wikipedia articles when you are researching history
Mr Arch.
I f**king love hearing that 'greetings and salutations'
It makes me happy,
In these troubling times.
I and many others are going through some disconcerting stuff.
And to hear your wee voice say that opening line.
Provides a ray of sunshine in a currently rather bleak life.
So I wanted you to know I appreciate it.
Thank you again Mr Arch.
There's also a thing in a book about the reason of such stability and the absense of any major unrest or uprisings. The service attracts all people agressive, active and combative enough to actually rebel and takes away a reason for them to do it by giving them political power.
So if you don't want to be a civilian, who's rights are theoretically enfringed upon by the state - nothing is stopping you from joining the state and preventing it from enfringements. If you care enough about those rights that is.
It's not really an aristocracy or the forming of any other elite if anyone can choose to join
Also, there's a lot more service available than just the military - you have to volunteer for military service to get it, and the military was very choosy about who got in. Only in Verhoeven's schlock was the military a Hollywoodish collection of boors, thugs, and cannon fodder.
Thicc sky marshal.
Also idk. Skinnies could be decent auxilliaries.
They sold the coordinates of earth to the Pseudoarachnids and are directly responsibel for the Earth-Bug War. Still, the Federation, instead of wiping the Skinnies off the face of the galaxy, which the Federation is perfectly capable of, makes them fall into the fold.
Even while fighting the Skinnies, the Federation did it not to win, but to draw a line in the sand from which negotiations can take place. There is a great paragraph describing this.
Even the War against the Pseudoarachnids isn't one of extermination.
We have xeno lover here, call the inquisition
I would like you both to look into starship troopers rough necks. The c g I series. It will introduce you to 1 of the greatest aliens to ever fight alongside humanity in the terran federation. He was the leader of the people known as the skinny's from the planet of tawphet. His name is colonel tophai. Well, his rank within the military of the humans is only a simple private. The fact that he has earned the respect of the roughnecks is why they still address him by his rank in his People's military order the rank of colonel. Not because they respect the rank , but because they respect the alien man and calling him by his rank shows their respect. He essentially in the show became sergeant Razak's unofficial. Second, in command any time that he encountered any sort of bugs that he was unsure about. You would always ask the colonel. Have you ever encountered this with your people? And the colonel usually would either say. Yes, we have. This is how we figured out how to defeat them or no, we have never discovered this before and I am very worried. I hope that we can defeat it. The colonel had a very pragmatic attitude towards combat , something that the leader of the rough next greatly appreciated because he finally had a fellow commander to discuss certain things with something that he just really couldn't discuss with the rank and file or his top kick a k a his staff , sergeant
Back when we had the Draft in Germany there was a choice between military service and a civillian service for people refusing any form of millitary service (Kriegsdienstverweigerer). It was certainly not as harsh as the Starship Troopers Service, but you can see a certain lack of something in the young adults of today.
The federation is the worst form of government, except for every other form of Government that's been tried.
Ah yes, Winston Churchill 2.0
I trust my monarchy more still.
@Mexican Rocks for Trump 2020
Damn it! Censored.
Look, that's the point. 1 tyrant, one target to destroy.
@@TheKing-qz9wd I think I'd prefer a meritocratic dictatorship. It takes the birth lottery out of it, but keeps the single target.
@@ShamanMcLamie
Somehow that sounds like it has an even greater problem with nepotism. I always imagined the succession of kings was there for comfort sake.
This is by far, the most detailed breakdown of social and political culture form Starship Trooers I have ever heard.
I think I need to re-read the book. I clearly missed a few things. Good news! I still own a copy on my bookshelf... I still own a bookshelf... huh.
bookshelf's are like a treasure chest, just for the mind instead of spending. a home with a nice bookshelf are usually a good sign
I've owned the book twice and at least two copies of ebook. Starship troopers and Dorsai are very very useful for understanding life. Asimov and HG Wells are also helpful.
Hey I'd love a breakdown on the factions in UC Mobile Suit Gundam. As it would be fun to go over.
I second this man's idea.
Can we get this at some point?
... A complete history of Zeon would be... LONG. Like, Seige of Vraks long given the ideas behind it just kept coming up because the centeral system government never learned their damn lesson about their colonies. Which doesn't mean I'm objecting.
See who is the most corrupt. Bets on the Feddies.
In Canada their supreme court ruled that disabled people don't have to pay back their loans. Best part is it is also illegal to deny them a loan.
Please tell me this is bad joke, because if it is real then Canada needs a purge of its politicians. And for the idiot's who voted for said politicians to be burdened with all of the debt from those loans.
@@cesarlacome9383 It was the Supreme Court that decided that. Canada has a really crappy constitution made by Pierre Trudeau. It puts all the real power into the hands of the courts. It puts the rights of the minority above the majority.
@@StylesV13 Wait, so the Supreme Court ruled that Disabled People cannot be refused a loan and also ruled that they don't have to pay it back, or was the part where they can't be refused a loan the parliaments decision?
@@bumblingbureaucrat6110 It's all the courts. If I recall it was a case involving a deaf and blind woman taking out student loads. She complained that since she is disabled it takes her longer to finish the program and thus has to take out more loans and more interest she has to payback. So the courts agreed and said yeah it is unfair for her to have to pay it all back.
As a disabled person, I am forced to ask what fucking pepegas thought that was a good idea?
Loving this series. Especially the duality of the serious versus non-serious episodes.
I highly enjoy the idea of not being able to be turned down for the military as someone who was being groomed to be a pilot, only to have that opportunity ripped from me due to scoliosis.
Mind you, I still wouldnt get a jet, but a helicopter co pilot would be nice
Bro how does Scoliosis stop a jet fighter
@@justiceforjoggers2897
The Gs pulled while turning would cause some serious problems.
Also the military doesnt like paying medical bills.
They initially wanted me because I dont get motion sickness.
@@UltimatePowa
Man that really is a bummer
@@justiceforjoggers2897
Dude... I was heartbroken
They still got my buddy his Drone Pilot job though
@@UltimatePowa There's also the fact that the number of people who want to be fighter pilots and have the basic skill set and physicality to begin the training vastly exceeds the number of fighter pilots that are actually needed. Even for the relatively sedate position of transport pilot, there are vastly more candidates than positions to fill. (The fact that even after military service, being a highly trained jet fighter or transport pilot means there are many lucrative and high-status jobs available to you means that even people who don't particularly want a military career will vie for these positions.) Thus, most militaries will deny those career paths for any slight physical shortcoming. For instance, I knew someone who got denied transport pilot training because her eyesight measured at 19/20, almost the smallest shortcoming from normal that is measured, but it was sufficient to get her a medical denial. (I also know of someone who was being groomed as a fighter pilot candidate, then got denied a Cadet promotion due to the political maneuvering of another Cadet's father...and soured on the whole thing and left at the earliest opportunity. Oh, and a couple years later he turned up on the technical staff of the Prime Ministers Office. People remembered him being on the track to become an RCAF fighter pilot candidate and wanted to know what had happened, and he told them. I wouldn't want to be the officer who politicked his son into that position over this fellow.)
Your rant about Norway is one of the main reasons i like your content. Most fellow Norwegians i know arent as aware of these issues as id expect.
As a norgie that was absolute bullcrap
"I'm 21 and I still don't know who to vote against." - from A Heinlein Novel.
Service guarantee's citizenship.
What I've always taken away from this is that the citizenship in the terran federation is proof that you CARE ABOUT SOCIETY. Veterans, people who have served that society to the standard set, have shown that they care. Thus the vote, citizenship is a symbol that you CARE.
the issue this doesn't always work, there are alot of people out there with wacky convictions, I've known more than a few people who serve in the military for years after coming here from another country only to then say that being in the army gives them a right to demand that american turn into the third world shit hole they proudly boast about despite having fled from there.
@@DeathSithe92 Yep. Tribalism always trumps everything else. That's why the Citizen Service model would only work in an ethno-state.
@@DeathSithe92 I've known more than a few who serve in the military after coming here from another country, and then proceed to be quite happy our country is nothing like the third-world shithole they've come from. I don't see where demanding term of service prior to gaining citizenship would result in more immigrants who refuse to integrate.
@@DeathSithe92 Now obviously this to a degree relies on the higher ups being moral but wouldn't the wackos be kicked out eventually? Arch has a point that maybe people dying in boot camp is a bad thing, but I'd say that's a decent deterrent for nairdowells. Plus, no one is perfect, so the bad eggs will eventually slip up and reveal their true colors, right? I dunno, maybe I'm being a bit optimistic.
Arch, every time you bring up star ship troopers lore and subjects. We must have chocolate sky marshal waifu in EVERY thumbnail.
I love how arch becomes more and more of a weeb every day
If Arch is a weeb ... count me in ;-)
If his taste in cat girls is to be considered, he's been a weeb for a long time
Dude, since ancient memorial the running joke in his rpg streams is something along the lines of arch close your download of "special" mangas n anime XDD.
He literally at once point gave us insight in which genres of drawn smut he prefers, just to remind just in case youi forgot or missed it (If he goes any more in that direction, the swedes will call him one of theirs one day, i tell you).
You can`t go more f-ing weeb than that ... withoug making/shilling dakimakura as merch or something :P
And if he ever will bring out a arch n kibbs n co bodypillow line, i will demand a share. And bring in turn other ideas of dege ...interessting merch for the plea ... i mean enjoyment of the dear customerbase XD
Always has been.
You say as thought he is not already one in the first place.
We definitely need to fix our education system. I know teenagers who haven't heard of the world wars, have no idea who Stalin or Mao were, and don't know how old the US is. Its an absolute outrage and the people responsible should be held to task for this miserable failure.
Because many of the Teachers are the same people rioting with Antifa.
If remembered well Plato he mentioned that Socrates warned about democracy in the sense that voting should be a skill that needs to be thought because if anyone could vote the uneducated voter will vote for the candidate that tell him or her what they want to hear instead of.the one that tells them what will happen and it will be tough but it will grant prosperity in the long run
And you'd get those old-fuddyduddy people that's voted the same Party for 50 years and not really kept up with the changes within that party. They just vote the same thing cuz they always voted it.
@@kinagrill he was ahead of his time
Basic psychology - You usually appreciate and protect something you worked you're sorry a*s hard for much more than something you get for free. Plus if you see other people fail to get it or even die trying (the military service) you will appreciate it even more.
By my recollection, the book States that the military is infact, quite small. The focus was on the military and it was clear that military veterans where the most respected but that doesn't mean that it was the largest.
I'm pretty sure the oath of service itself states that the term is two years no matter if it's civil or military.
I don’t believe they state a size. It’s known that most people who join up aren’t MI material, but the only statistic we have regarding MI is that 3% of it is officers.
The time period of enlistment , regardless for military or civilian service is no less than two years or until a time period of emergency for the federation has passed at which point during that time of emergency , you are not able to remove yourself from enlistment because everyone must work together in the effort of the war
TANSTAAFL
This shows up in a lot of Heinlien's books, it means "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
Grammatically it has issues, but it's a good point otherwise.
It's never a free lunch. It's just a lunch that you're given. And you're not told that was stolen From somebody else in another room. Just ignore the brown paper bag with the name Blanked out with a black marker and yours replaced with it. It was always your lunch so eat up fast
We have an entrenched aristocratic political class in the USA, who think the rules don't apply to them, even WITH universal suffrage, so I don't see how the Starship Troopers system could be worse in that particular regard. Though I think it would be a good idea to extend additional legal protections for civilians as an understanding that there is the potential for abuse.
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, is my favorite Robert Heinlein novel, with my 2nd favorite being Starship Troopers.
Voting in Australia is mandatory otherwise it'll result in a fine. You are right Arch, we can donkey vote (ie vote randomly instead of our 2 major parties) Every vote matters though if the policies of the winning party makes your life worse.
Hearing of the book and especially the History and Moral Philosophy sections really changed my outlook on voting. Made me realize the power I wielded and the responsibility that comes with it. I do hope one day we get a system where no class, or group is considered by default to be part of a political party and I think only with a system like the Federation in Starship Troopers is such a system possible.
One thing you could limit is the holding of office. Require anyone holding office itself to undergo a set of trials to prove fitness and allow anyone to vote
One thing that would be not very controversial and would help instill more of a duty in holders of office would be to cut any and all lavish salaries and either provide them with bare essential food shelter transport etc or just enough of a salary for their basic needs and disallow them from using any money they may have from before. If being in office denies the holders of office any luxury items or the chance to make money from holding office it would weed out anyone who wants to hold office for that reason.
No. You would need to deal with the floride in water. It weakens people
I’m going out of order watching these Starship Trooper lore videos but it is a breath of fresh air to see someone getting it right when it comes to the Terran Federation. I’m also planning on making my own videos on these cases, and it’s good to bounce ideas off great minded people like yourself. So cheers and please keep making more.
I thought it would be "should service the citizens."
Yeah the artwork reminds me of some things I look up late at night.
I won't say that my vote doesn't matter, but I will point out that the presidential elections are almost always decided before Alaska's votes are even counted.
Imagine how Hawaii feels.
Also how much is a vote worth when you can only choose between plague and cholera?
I'm glad I'm not American. I wouldn't want to vote either candidate into leadership of a daycare facility responsible for a few dozen of lives... much less the post of president of the USA where they will be responsibility for millions under their "care" and will inevitably have an impact on the entire world for better or worse...
@BenjaminTheRogue That's what gets so lost in our political discussion. Your local politics impact you the most, the State government less and the Federal government the least.
I live near Chicago, so I'll be lucky if my vote simply wasn't thrown in the trash or canceled out by a dead person.
Not to mention there have been three elections in which a candidate has lost the popular election (recieved a minority of the individual votes from people) but won the election because it's the electoral college that actually decides who gets to be president (and the rules for how the college votes varies by state, anywhere from "split the votes proportionally based on popular vote," to "winner take all, even if by narrow majority," to "the popular vote is actually just a tool to tell us how the general population wants us to split the electorate ballots, but actually there's no rule stating that I _have_ to vote like that, and I think they're all uneducated and unwashed masses that can't be trusted, so screw 'em. Also, I always wanyed the other guy anyway because he promised me a cabinet position that puts me in line of a ton of lobbyists with a lot of cash, so long as I just screw over a few million American citizens and protect this company's right to break the law without consequence.")
Remember, at least in America, the system was initially designed by a bunch of people who had a _deep_ distrust of both authority and the general population wanted the political process to be as convoluted and cumbersome as possible as a _de facto_ defense against the abuse of authority, the "tyranny of the majority," and, to an extent, corruption. But they could hardly agree on anything, and it took a _ton_ of compromise to actually create anything resembling a cohesive whole, or even a general consensus (but by barely, vevause even after the Constitution was signed and ratified and the Bill of Rights amended, there were still tons of dissenters). It's also been changed remarkably little in the past 231 years, despite there being clear provisions to do so. Partly, I think, due to how cumbersome that process is, and partly because of teo centuries of partisan poltics and periods of intense gridlock, bickering, and corruption. Any system can be corrupted, and no system can be made invulnerable to it. But I do think career politicians shouldn't be a thing.
TBH Arch, it was hard to pay attention to what you were saying because of the picture. I mean come on: BiG TiDdY Sky Marshal, green kawaii memelord arachnid gamer girl, and *ESPECIALLY THICC* Brainbug-chan and you expect me to listen attentively?!
Dude, I really enjoy these Starship Trooper videos. Thanks
Most people who call this book Fascist.......probably NEVER read the book or read other people's opinions and concluded it was a Fascist. People don't generally know even what Fascism is.
If no thicc sky marshal gf why live or attempt citizenship?
service doesn't give you anything other than the chance at ms thicc sky marshal and citizenship upon completion. you gotta want it for yourself and impress her of your own volition. good luck.
@@NotoriusBEN1 With my luck, she's only packing extra ammo storage.
There's a few thousand women who look like that, and a few hundred of them are likely to dress up in whatever costume you want if you can win them over.
Why put yourself through military training when you could just scan the environment for women?
@@TheKing-qz9wd Because they don't want a sky marshal cosplay. They want the sky marshal. :D
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It is a drawing. They want a real woman. Something to hold, something that can cradle, and some big, bouncy titties to get frisky with. They can find plenty of women who look like that.
In some sense.
I am South Korean, we have mandatory military service(mandatory for male only) about 18months if you go into the army. We don't enter combat and most of the time it is a peace time thing.
This shit doesn't work, most are still stupid and make bad choices.
I think the best solution is education part. I find most of the time we lack the ability to sit down and think or talk to each other.
Military service is completely voluntary in Heinlein's created universe.
The time served before getting your vote also varried depending on how dangerous the job you had was.
It helped to weed out the people who were not dedicated to their society.
To add on to the previous commenter, it is very important distinction between a voluntary one and a mandatory one.
You choose to make a sacrifice, and with that brings the respect of others that you earn from that sacrifice which you chose.
A forced conscription on the other hand is treated as a duty whereby the citizens are expected to perform and shoulder that responsibility before passing it that same duty to the next generation.
@@mikealvas we do it in denmark too but that does not prevent dumbasses among the regulars, heck, if I am not mistaken the US army is considered the army equivalent of 4chan users or redditora, and marines eat crayons?
Oh and there is a few doing solo gay porn in Hawaii!
Service gurantees citizenship! HURRRR
@@goolabbolshevish1t651 That is true, and I don't know why I forgot about that part. I think I only focused on the rights part.
@BenjaminTheRogue :D
Whos the artist btw?
I know I'm late to the video for this comment, but as a Sub Teacher, I found it ironic that the other Maths you've mentioned (Taxes, Rent etc.) has been labeled under "Dummy Math". Gotta love the sheer arrogance academia has brought to people. Hell, I almost got into an argument over a Math Major long ago about the usefulness of Advanced maths compared to trades. The light doesn't shine out of his arse, doesn't it?
The netxi and heinlein unironically share the same disdain for intelligence and the academia.
What's funny he wrote Starship Troopers and then 10 years later wrote" Stanger in a strange land which is basically the hippie hand bible lol
He wrote that one after he moved to a Naturist/ nudist colony. Ended up marrying 3 redheads divorced 2 of them. But the two of them still stayed on the resort and remain friends with him. Apparently he was one of the few men who realized that men and women can still have relationships even after having a sexual one just as friends. In some ways, he was considered to be very much. So a conservative in other ways. He was also one of the most progressive believers in the concept of free love. However he did definitely have a big bent towards homosexuality and a dislike of it. But then again so did orson scott card and I do I hate the novel enters game either. So for me it's a concept of separating the art from the artist period for example, jeepers creepers is made by a genuinely confirmed and convicted childpredator it's still a Incredibly great horror movie. But it was made by a horrible person. However, I am able to separate the difference between the. Artist and the art. It seems like eighty eight point 99 percent of all of humanity is incapable of making this mental understanding choice to separate the two concepts into art and creator. A more modern example is the creator of the manga known as ronin kenshin. They were convicted for possession. They serve their time and they Returned to doing the Manga after the time served now everyone knows this guy did that bad tbing. But there are people who understand I can appreciate the art but not pay the artist and so those people go to online sites that basically scan and pirates the manga. Which in my opinion is a morally just stance. Even if you like the art , if the creator is a bad person don't support the creator directly just steal the art
The publication dates are less than two years apart, 1959 and 1961. He had rewritten Stranger several times, and only was satisfied with the copy in 1960 or so.
Heinlen doesn't mean "Our society ie. the Terran Federation" When he says survival of the society, he means the human race.
Yet another good video, love the artwork, love snark; and above that, i love your northern European non-french, non-british, non-irish accent.
Bruh, stop hating on math, you need that stuff for all the hard sciences, accounting and economics, e.g. shit that actually produces value and is generally well compensated financially and provides a net benefit to society.
Ten programmers are better than 10 wannabe writers that will never break even and will end up as baristas.
Geography and literature and the artsy garbage need to go first, IMO.
But I definitely agree on the need for adding some more economics and something akin to history and moral philosophy, where we should add stuff like Plato's Republic, Roman Stoicism, John Locke, and Max Weber's stuff about the social contract.
There is mention in the book about the Merchant Marine attempting every so many years to get their service equated to Federal Service.
And every single year being told no you are not able to apply for that. Until the bug war started and then suddenly they realized they definitely did need a merchant marine corps And instantly said yes you are now all federal citizens welcome. Amazing, how fast a government will pull its stick out of its. But if it really is desperate enough for the need
@ 15:00 during the break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s the "smart" solution to poverty was to print more money. So if you wanna know about hyperinflation in the "modern age" just look at the articles from that period.
Man, we got people talking about Modern Monetary Theory these days. That scares me more than the rioters and wildfires. :D
@@shorewall Imagine 10 eggs costing you something like 10 dinars and later around 1pm the price rises up to 500+ dinars. Ehm welcome to hyperinflation.
So Arch, I just wanted to bring up two things related to the Federation quickly
The first is your observation of everything within the state, nothing without the state, nothing against the state
The second is how would the Federation actually keep its military up in the middle of something like say World War 1 with its recruitment system.
Another aspect of people not properly being educated is that you have the flip side where people don't understand that there are things government can do that are worth paying for. The most basic example probably a reason why the first government type organizations evolved was to provide for common military defense and to uphold a commonly agreed framework of preventing abuses between its own people to prevent disruption from within. From there in a modern context I think it is not unreasonable that natural monopolies where multiple competing structures cannot be reasonably created such as highway networks and/or things that are strategically valuable can be held in common trust. On a similar note of preventing abuse I think it should be the duty of government to actively innovate to reduce the burden of cost
As harsh as it sounds I think there should be some kind of class that must be passed to exercise political power at very least when it comes to holding political office
Great video Mr Arch, to be honest all ideologies have only one flaw, that being human nature.
Another problem is voting + a large landmass. You see this a lot in both the USA and Canada where regions vote for their own self interest even if it conflicts with what another region desires leading to essentially the more populous side winning
30:40 In Switzerland, Service is mandatory for all men 18yrs of age. BUT it's notoriously easy to avoid military service and get into either "civil protection" or "civil service" branches of duty, if one really wants. Close enough I guess.
When I hear "Veteran" in Starship Troopers, what I think of is a veteran of service. Not Military but any service, if I recall there was a line about a guy assigned to counting hairs on caterpillars because he was disabled and couldn't do anything else but the standing requirement was to be mentally able to understand and accept the oath of service and what costs it may entail... so by law they had to make something up for him, aka holding little bugs for fishing catalog testing I guess lol. Also, I may be mistaken, but wasn't the only difference between citizen and civilian the right to vote? There was no difference in any other law or charter other than who got to vote on it. If citizens voted for higher taxes, it wouldn't be on "higher taxes for civilians and not citizens" it was just a "well now everyone's paying extra".
Please oh please dear Arch do cover the Bugs at some point!
Sincerely yours,
#1 Bug supporter
@James Stockdale That's all well and good but human meat is tasty and packed with protein! Perfect larval food!
I don't know how it is in your Country, but in Switzerland (if you're male) you have to be examined medically, do physical-, mental-, and moral-tests, fill out a paper with your 3 preferences and then either get sorted into the military if you were good (fully-able) or civil-service if you don't want to be in the military for some reason and receive a payment for that period.
Then, if you don't suck but aren't that great either (half-able) you get sorted into civil-protection, which consists of Staff-Assistant (Office-Jobs), Pionier (Builder/Digger), Cook (Cook), Asset-Manager (Repairing/Installing Pipes, Electricity, etc), Material-Manager (Organising what is needed) and Keeper (Healthcare). You have to pay a extra tax since you aren't in the military, but you get a reduction based around how many days in the year you work in your role.
And lastly, those that failed (unable) are sorted into all sorts of stuff where you need people. Helping in Museums, cutting down Trees, extra Security on Events, etc. They have to pay the extra Tax and get no reduction.
Every ethno-nationalist I've ever heard from has been quite passionate about NOT wanting society to collapse. The solution generally tends to be reduce immigration, increase native birth rates, and foster pride in one's home and group. I've never seen anyone seriously advocate segregation. I think the passing reference was a straw man.
Historically, that isn't the case. They love to segregate, they simply leave it _unsaid_ that is until recently.
@@TheTrueAdept Who is "they"? Do you mean any ethnic enclave you see in the various metropolitan cities? I agree: people do typically self-segregate.
Kudos for the African Kaiser quote; an oft overlooked theater of The Great War. Additionally: this is a WELL thought out & balanced video.
"If you earn your vote the hard way ..."
Multiple problems with that one. Rome had the same system but people who got their votes with their legionnaire service simple used it to enrich themselves at the expense of common public. During Punic Wars, Senate simply sent all their young men to die on Africa and then voted to pass a law that gave a lot of fertile soil in Roman lands to themselves or people they were "connected with". The man when they came back from Carthage found their lands were now taken over by these "people who earned their vote through service" and now the slaves these wars provided worked on these "plantations". It got so bad that Ceaser came into being. And even after he was assassinated Emperors took his place, staying on the side of common people and the army.
Honestly talking, every kind of system that works on voting has the same problem, whether republic or democracy.
"Multiple problems with that one."
Agreed.
" Rome had the same system but people who got their votes with their legionnaire service simple used it to enrich themselves at the expense of common public."
Like I mentioned in another comment regarding Ancient Athens, this is not understanding the system correctly.
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You had to be REGISTERED for military service in order to vote (especially since the Romans liked eugenics even more than the Athenians did), and to access more of the "Cursus Honorum" and get access to some stations one had to serve in certain roles.
This article talks about it more.
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" During Punic Wars, Senate simply sent all their young men to die on Africa and then voted to pass a law that gave a lot of fertile soil in Roman lands to themselves or people they were "connected with". The man when they came back from Carthage found their lands were now taken over by these "people who earned their vote through service" and now the slaves these wars provided worked on these "plantations""
This sounds more like it's been run through a conspiratorial filter a couple of times. Not the least of which because even on its face, the soldiers in the Legions would have also "earned their vote through service" (the reality being a bit more complicated than that), the most common form of land redistribution throughout Roman history was distributing conquered land to ROman settlers, often military veterans of the conquering army, and it would take most of a century after the last Punic war before Caesar emerged.
Furthermore, the main time that a Roman Army outright "died" in Africa- in the First Punic War at the Battle of the Bagradas River- it triggered utter shock and horror throughout Rome and including the Senate (and it's easy to see why), indicating against the idea that this was some kind of grand conspiracy by patricians to steal land from dead soldiers by destroying their own army.
More likely, the shock of the defeat and other manpower losses raised the question of what the hell to do with the vacant land (which was necessary for long term Roman prosperity), so the senate and other "connected people" painted with a broad brush and arrogated the land to people "best able to take care of it"....namely themselves and other wealthy people with capital and (often slave) manpower to spare, which annoyed the dickens out of both small farmers and the landless poor, as well as any surviving soldiers who found their turf redistributed under the idea they were dead.
4:44 there's the real trick of "one government" systems.
How to you get the lawmakers and those within the established and unmatched powerstructures to WANT to actively uphold it's own rules and rights without getting lazy/incompetant/corrupt/infitrated and choosing to weild power for itself rather than on behalf of those "other" people.
I give the federation 3 generations before one of two things happen:
1) large scale nepotism in the service results in the relatives of politicians and officers given cushy jobs that start appearing in the service, with normal jobs perhaps becoming harder. Thus it will result in a de facto Aristocracy.
2) The service as a whole is made easier, resulting in it becoming a 2 year job given by the government to start everyone out.
2) already happened, to an extent. Only if you volunteer for the military do you get the military. Everyone else gets some job where they're useful. It may suck, but it'd be something they could do.
I've taken quite a liking to Terran Federation's model of government, and it's one of those thing that when I'm casting forward and looking into drafting a scifi government, and trying to answer the fundamental question of "who gets to decide." Modern democracies and republics have drifted and appear from my little understanding to be entirely of the grove of "everyone" which I'm drifting away from and think may have been in error, though perhaps failure to really pound in civics is the breaker that was short circuited. Service, of some class guaranteeing citizenship and the various duties doesn't seem like a bad idea. The modern democratic state appears to be built on the assumption that everyone has the right to exercise even in a small way influence over the course of the nation in it's decision-making, but most everyone here knows there are people whom an ear should not be given to.
Who should the franchise encompass? Whoever is necessary to the maintenance of the state and society. From that you could draw some pretty broad and well defined categories of people who are and are not franchised. In a fictional context, you can draw on this and mold a government into any flavor and form of republican or democracy one wanted, all dictated on who exactly in that society is bestowed this right.
Alterations of this scale though are purely theoretical I think. Unless these modes of thought are seriously being debated in some country's halls of power, this is not happening except in a case of major governmental collapse shifting the paradigm of civic thought radically. Makes good fiction, but I'm not so sure about a stable government lasting into the future. For a state in an era of technological stagnation, or running into the limits of what can be done with the sciences and engineering we possess, maybe it could work. But, all states with a limited franchise are going to end with the disenfranchised coming to a head with those who are at some point or another because of how a decision affects them. If anything, I think this only works well at a sort of federal level, and one where that federal level is of a much more limited scope, in order to limit the abuse of power or political imbalance possible.
Well that's about as long and rambly as I thought.
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Please enjoy my cheese.
@OMGitsAzreal Gouda joke
@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion that's grate
26:48 One of the first-order effects of mandatory voting is the "donkey vote" - picking the first option on the ballot. As a result, Australia has to _randomize_ its ballot papers to ensure that this is spread out evenly.
Which would play *very* badly with any sort of Proportional Representation system. Better to have the uninterested self-deselect, rather than dealing with the statistical dilution of the results.
The sad part is i just got done voting how ever the only person i know to vote was the presidential election everything else I had no idea.
So you are a yankee?
Ya im Yankee.
So long as you didn't vote for candidates and ballot measures you were ignorant about then that's okay. I always applaud people who choose not to vote when they don't keep up with politics, or anything on the ballot box. It's okay to be ignorant of such things. It's an investment in time to actually be an informed voter, and it's understandable if you don't wish to do the research, but if your not willing to put that time in you shouldn't vote. The problem is when people vote and they haven't a clue what it's about. You don't even have to go super deep(although the more in depth knowledge the better). At the very least set aside one day to research things. I always do my research the weekend before an election.
@BenjaminTheRogue Just to add to this. See where candidates stand on issues and look at what groups endorse certain candidates. If you're not a fan of labor unions you might not want to vote for a candidate that has an endorsement from the SEIU. If you like law enforcement you might want to see which candidates are endorsed by the police. If you trust your local chamber of commerce see which candidates got their endorsement. You should do the same thing for ballot initiatives and propositions. You might vote for a measure, but then find a group you don't like is supporting it.
Now if you completely trust one party, or the other you can often find a voting list on your local parties website saying what candidates for what positions they endorse, or what measures on propositions they support. Endorsements can be a useful tool in getting an idea about the candidates running for the more obscure offices.
I almost did that, I had to go hunt to find out what was down ballot.
Arch, you have missed your true calling. You should have become a motivational speaker.
I sometimes feel voting power Is like a recently emerged ability evolution finally finished installing and we’ve been wasting it on RUclips and Simon Cowell shows.
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Your point statement in 18:10 is just not true. In the book it never says that they found the 100% correct morality. They just state that it prooved itself scientifically by working so far. And they lay out a lot of problems that they still face, like creating enemies of the system due to human error or shortage on soldiers in a species threatening war.
Does service guarantee a dark skinned muscle waifu? Asking for a friend...
You can find that in a night club or something.
The tech might get there in a few decades.
It guarantees you the chance to get a dark skinned muscle waifu. What you do with that chance is up to you. :D
Thanks a lot, i. So happy i can listen to person that makes sense
The book is a much better picture than the movie, the book shows the Federation as a multi-planet, multi-species democratic government.
The movie threw all of that out to make a Vietnam alagory with a psudo-fascist xenophobic Federation, glossing over the fact that freedom of religion and freedom of movement for civilians in the Federation caused the war.
Wait.
Which religion?
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The citizenship is a religion in starship troopers who provides benefits you wouldn't have if you weren't member of the group. Rich people who do not follow the citizenship are exterminated by the federation, Johnny Rico lost his parents because an asteroid hit a rich part of the planet who was tactical placed to fuel the hatred to make rich people join the citizenship
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Well that answered me but it also didn't.
@@TheKing-qz9wd
In starship troopers the novel it is a society where each can have any role. Many of the wished jobs were to be doing things like driving cargo between planets because they were highly sought by their importance of the logistics. The novel's author described today's US military advertising, where it won't matter if your name is Emma and you have 2 moms. Instead of fundamental belief that everything around is evil and solution to overpopulation is war, the federation expanded colonies while the movie solved overpopulation by killing people. The novel described soldiers as less value than the gear they carried, the movie describe heroes higher valued than the gear protection. Citizenship wasn't only soldiers, it included the entire society, those who work gains citizenship. Starship troopers is a national society based on the Germans ideology. Instead of citizenship replace the word with freedom. No man is allowed to do what them wish until them have earned the right to be free. That freedom is citizenship. Replace federation with cooperation, all who do not work for the corporation do not gain corporative rights.
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Yes, I get that. But I was asking what religion would've sparked a war.
I lucked out, the school district i went to had a mandatory credit requirement for graduation. Pass or fail class going through how to fill out tax forms, balance checkbooks, credit card fine print and apr, how to organize and keep track of bills, and how to calculate paychecks so we'd know if there were mistakes. Should be a fedral requirement.
A few years from now Starship Troopers will be revered next to Common Sense as the philosophical founding doctrine of a new nation.
So, I know this is an old video. But as an American I can safely say that there's a lot of accuracy here. In addition, I would argue for civil Federation service to include some form of customer service and retail work.
Why? Because as a grunt in retail the hours are abysmal, the management are incompetent incomprehensible and often contradicting buffoons while you serve a very self indulging arrogant, noisy, self-centered lot that if something is off by so much as a penny would like to see 10 employees, 3 maintenance workers, 4 managers and even the franchise owner to be fired (see Karens, their second form Becky, and their male counterpart, the Kevin), in the loudest, most obnoxious way possible lmao 🤣
I don't think humanity can ever exist as a unified entity. You could have all nations of the Earth unified under a single government, but some would eventually rebel, seeking independence.
I'm Greek, you have no Idea the IRONY that is you releasing this video at the eve of one of our national holidays, indeed the one at which we remember our involvement in WWII.
Long story short, I know about Empires and Nations, nothing is eternal. You could however have two or more global superpowers gathering smaller nations around themselves and building alliances until the form some short of confederation which, if it defends its citizens' liberties, could even conquer the very stars. Unfortunately, we don't have a God-like superhuman with the most broken stats and equally OP armies to unify humanity.
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I don't know how much of such a rebellion will happen the thing is if a simple nation revolted from a united federation of Nations it will a)be crushed from overwhelming response b)be ostracized economically forcing to come back to the fold.Revolutions don't happen magically either you must have public unrest and political instability to happen.
Under such system the only revolts that allow nations states to exist are system colapsing one (collapse of rome style)
The most likely revolts would be civil wars between polical parties and ideologies but those dont really destroy the fact that you have one government at the end
For example our country, we haven't returned back to city states since Philip the II conquest.(but still we have plenty of civil wars)
As a fellow Greek I agree.
I think interstellar colonization will happen the same way American and African colonization did. Just imagine Europe, America and Africa as different planets. Europe during intercontinental colonization wasn't united and I'm sure the Earth won't be united during interstellar colonization either.
@@teyrncousland7152 hello greek sir, just curious but what are veiws of the greek people but the propaganda that the greeks are lazy and only survive because they take money from hard working northern europeans
@@ypsawbones3646 you are mostly w
Right but you forgot to take mass casualty weapons into account as well as the fact that a weaker power will often use subversive tactics like embedding their fighters in civilian populations and use propaganda to weaken the resolve of the people of a stronger nation.
A strong nation is only strong so long as it has the will to wield it's power, this is especially true for democracies.
Just wait for the antichrist. It's about the best thing the most common kind of human being can ask for.
No idea if he has even been born yet, though. Just know he's supposed to show up eventually.
Amazing video Arch. Very well thought out and fair. I really wish we could make some of these things happen in the USA.
The problem with Heinlein's analysis of modern democracies, and specifically with applying those criticisms to the state of modern US politics, is that the US isn't a democracy and hasn't been for a while. You can't say that the citizens are voting us into ever greater debt when the opinions of the citizens have no relationship with the policies that are passed. The problem with modern america isn't that it's ruled by the coddled, greedy masses of peasants, instead the problem is that those peasants have next to no say in politics at all. I mean, how much can a vote really matter if you are only allowed to pick between one of two pre-approved candidates that are each primarily loyal to their donors before their voters.
And what this leads to is a situation where the people writing and passing legislation have no reason to care about the well-being of any of their constituents, so they don't. And when people are trampled on and neglected by the organization that's supposed to represent their interests above all else, that is to say being tyrannized by an absentee oligarchy pretending to be democratic, then why wouldn't you expect them to get angry and riotous. Afterall, humans are human, and if you trample on our most sacred rights and deny us the ability to resolve things peacefully, what else is a human to do other then get angry and potentially violent.
"The problem with Heinlein's analysis of modern democracies, and specifically with applying those criticisms to the state of modern US politics, is that the US isn't a democracy and hasn't been for a while."
The US was never a pure democracy; it was always a Federal or Confederal Republic (or coalition of Republics) that organized itself by democratic vote of its citizenry. If anything the US has grown more democratic over time as franchise widened, for better and for worse.
"You can't say that the citizens are voting us into ever greater debt when the opinions of the citizens have no relationship with the policies that are passed."
This strikes me as the exact inverse. There is an issue with a "professional bureaucracy", "science-industrial complex", and "Deep State", to be sure, as well as "representative drift", but ultimately if people don't like the way their representatives vote on a matter they can vote them out. That they don't do so is another problem.
" The problem with modern america isn't that it's ruled by the coddled, greedy masses of peasants, instead the problem is that those peasants have next to no say in politics at all."
Again, compared to what? We've seen remarkable insurgency campaigns like AOC storm through politics by exploiting weak, complacent, and greedy institutional politics.
" I mean, how much can a vote really matter if you are only allowed to pick between one of two pre-approved candidates that are each primarily loyal to their donors before their voters.
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A: There are systems where this is a way bigger problem (See: the UK).
B: Donors are voters too, and most tend to be grassroots.
C: There is the Third Party candidates, which face an uphill battle (as do insurgencies) but it is possible.
"And what this leads to is a situation where the people writing and passing legislation have no reason to care about the well-being of any of their constituents, so they don't."
This greatly overstates matters. The average Pol living too long on Capital Hill doesn't have a HUGE amount of reason to care about the well-being of their constituents, but they do have reasons to care about their support. Which means they have to at least give some care to retain the support of those motivated enough to vote, unless they get complacent or out.
"And when people are trampled on and neglected by the organization that's supposed to represent their interests above all else, that is to say being tyrannized by an absentee oligarchy pretending to be democratic, then why wouldn't you expect them to get angry and riotous."
This is a fair point, but the bigger issue is why enough of them keep voting for the "absentee oligarchy." And frankly an "absentee oligarchy" would in some ways be better than the problems modern democracies have (indeed, the era of "salutary neglect" in the American colonies was a time of massive development and relative prosperity). In general politics have become more sensitive to public sentiment, not less- indeed, there's a reason why even those "absentee oligarchs" have had their staff expand and take polls on their constituents calling them to weigh in.
" Afterall, humans are human, and if you trample on our most sacred rights and deny us the ability to resolve things peacefully, what else is a human to do other then get angry and potentially violent.
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The problem is that they're not denying you the right to "resolve things peacefully." To the extent what you describe is a problem it tends to be outside of the legislative branch, with the growing rot of judicial and bureaucratic power (and to a lesser extent the executive) to an extent it was never intended to go. But this doesn't fit with many systems like Westminster in the UK, and in general politicians get away with what you let them get away with.
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Firstly, I'd like to say that I think you are assuming far too much guilt should belong to the people interacting with the system than is justified. You mentioned multiple times that people can just vote out their representatives if they don't like them, but throughout most of the United States this really isn't the case.
For example over half of house races during any given election don't even have more than one candidate on the ballot, and in the rest of that do the only opposition candidate is just as bad on most if not all issues. And while yes, a dissatisfied voter could run as a third party or challenge the incumbent in a primary, the former of those is so statistically improbable that it might as well be impossible, and the ladder of those is an almost insurmountable uphill battle because the primary elections are almost entirely unregulated Private Affairs wearing the only thing that really limits the degree to which the party can cheat for an establishment candidate is there public image. As an example of how parties can stack their primaries for preferred candidates, look no further than 2019, where the Democratic establishment not only cut back on the number of voting machines and the hours that polling stations would be open in order to decrease turnout in practically every state on super Tuesday, they also got every establishment candidate to Rally around Biden while Warren stayed in the race to split the reform vote. And none of this is even considering the amount of resources it takes to run a political campaign, resources that most Americans can't possibly hope to have access to, meaning they're only auctions are to start sucking off the corporate teet or find a Grassroots group that'll sponsor them. My point is, that for most Americans there is no good option on the ballot, not because Americans just love all of these Bad actors, but because aspects of the electoral system in the United States specifically prevent any kind of meaningful competition in our elections. Which is why when I said that the u.s. is not a democracy, I was implying that it was a plutocratic oligarchy not a republic.
Now, as a last thing let me respond specifically to a few points:
“Again, compared to what?“
- Compared to the rest of the developed world, compared to countries like the Netherlands, Germany, Norway, New Zealand, and any other country whose use electoral system is capable of accurately representing the views and opinions of the public in the legislature. Countries that don't have first-past-the-post elections, rampant gerrymandering, or blatant and legal political bribery through the form of unregulated private campaign donations. Countries that don't just hold votes, but actually hold those votes in such a way as to accurately and proportionally represent the citizens of their nation in government.
"Donors are voters too, and most tend to be grassroots"
- yes, but most of the money donated is donated by a small circle a political insiders and corporate Elite, which is why their views are the only views which are represented in any meaningful way by the United States government. While there may be absolutely no correlation between public opinion and public policy, there is and almost perfect correlation between the opinions of the top 1% of income earners and public policy. And while correlation does not necessarily equal causation, these are still not at all the results that a properly democratic system would be expected to produce, and they're also the exact the results you would expect to see if my above comments how about the American government were accurate.
"In general politics have become more sensitive to public sentiment, not less- indeed, there's a reason why even those "absentee oligarchs" have had their staff expand and take polls on their constituents calling them to weigh in."
- yes, to an extent you are correct, but that extent begins and ends at how much more or less popular one party is than the other. A party or candidate who is on track to beating their only opponent will have absolutely no incentive to care about the public good, and even one who isn't practically guaranteed to win the race will often have a large list of bass positions where they and their competition agree not to call each other out. This is because these positions are usually the positions supported by the political donors who are funding both sides of the race. As such you get a situation where the public good only matters if a politician is facing a tough re-election and the public good won't alienate their donors. That isn't democratic, nor is it representative of the wants and needs of practically any American, it's just a sham.
I'd say more of a Plutocracy than anything else. Think about why the founders put in the electoral college. If they intended the commoners to decide who their leader was why the college? The line "all men are created equal" really just meant the landed gentry. The problem is that people always look with the viewpoint of the contemporary and not the viewpoint of antiquity.
@@mutegrab666 "I'd say more of a Plutocracy than anything else. Think about why the founders put in the electoral college. If they intended the commoners to decide who their leader was why the college?"
Because they understood history very, Very well.
Firstly: the Presidency was not meant to be nearly as strong as it has become in recent years; it was still meant to be stronger than it was under the Articles of Confederation but the Legislature and Congress were still supposed to hold the whip hand in matters. After all, these people were (estranged/former) British subjects in an era when the office of "Prime Minister" was just coming into its own.
But secondly- and this is a big one- they had seen how brutal and bullying big urban centers had been and how they often used their raw manpower to oppress the surrounding countryside and smaller towns/cities. They had studied things like the Athenian Empire, the rise and fall of Rome, great commune-empires like Milan and Florence in Renaissance Italy, and in their own time had witnessed the emergence of Vermont in its so called Green Mountain Republic where a bunch of small holders essentially declared independence from places like New York.
So they understood quite well how pure democracies- ESPECIALLY one with the snail mail communications technology of their day- would usually give power over to the largest and most coherent urban power, which could then use its ability to spam larger numbers of votes, credit, and soldiers to strongarm others into parasitic and/or predatory arrangements.
The Electoral College was meant as a compromise to try and avoid the twin extremes of Old Sarums disenfranchising vast numbers of people by their sheer existence, and someone becoming the New Rome or Florence-on-the-Western Atlantic and disenfranchising everyone else.
" The line "all men are created equal" really just meant the landed gentry."
No, it meant all men, as you'd expect from a document drafted by a lawyer. Which also isn't surprising when you remember that while Jefferson was landed gentry, many of the people who went to the Continental Congress and Constitutional Convention were not. Moreover, while the Founders did believe (for the most part) in property-graduated franchises, there a reason why many of the abuses that the Declaration of Independence lists happened to people who were ineligible to vote (or just not practical to, like frontier settlers). Likewise many of the rights of the Constitution; you might not be able to own enough property to vote but you can avoid being forced to testify against yourself if brought up on charges.
" The problem is that people always look with the viewpoint of the contemporary and not the viewpoint of antiquity.
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Indeed, but I would say you are guilty of that.
@@valdamirlebanon4508 "Firstly, I'd like to say that I think you are assuming far too much guilt should belong to the people interacting with the system than is justified. "
Perhaps, but I can say you are assuming far too little guilt, particularly when it comes to the legislature and local governments. I'm entirely happy to talk about faithless representatives and the growth of un-democratic parts of the system like the administrative state and judiciary, but that only applies so much.
And while you attribute this to largely being a sign of US issues or lack of turnout, the issue I see is how plenty of systems run into similar problems even with means to do it (I'm Californian by birth so I remember the Referendums we have been forced to run).
One of the places where I do think I went overboard is the fact that we see similar problems popping up even in systems that are more "democratic" and have higher voter turnout, such as New Zealand, Australia, and the UK. But I think that goes back to the question of Why?
"You mentioned multiple times that people can just vote out their representatives if they don't like them, but throughout most of the United States this really isn't the case. ..."
Why so? Is there a law somewhere saying "So and So cannot be voted out of office?" Do they have storm squads of people ready to march about shooting people who don't vote for him? Often times these people can't really get people to vote for them and so skate by on having not many vote but those that do voting for them.
I'm not saying it will be EASY; inertia and institutional bias are a biotch. But what is horrifying is the degree to which even longstanding political machines like Chicago/Cook County rely upon voters going along with the nonsense they pull, and the degree to which the people often do it.
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Poor because they can't go on vacation or buy over priced stuff, dam I wish i was that poor, instead of working 2 jobs to pay for school
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That was an amazing, intelligent discussion. Thank you!!!!