You can buy this very watch from our friends at Watches of Lancashire here! - watchesoflancashire.com/product/1965-omega-seamaster-300-st-166-0324-watch-co/ And if you like the straps it's on, you can visit our shop: www.watchgecko.com
I bought a date model from Watchco back in 2010. Got it serviced by Omega UK straight after it arrived and again last year. No issues at all. If I remember right i paid for it approx £1,200 back then 🙃
I think this might look better than a vintage original. I like patina and even faux patina in some cases (Longines heritage military is gorgeous) but this looks so good with crisp, clean lume.
Interesting content but I don't agree with your point, just because a buyer knows what it is and is happy with it, doesn't mean it's not a fake. It's not assembled by Omega or licensed by them, so I would consider it fake. You can't even consider it a homage as they literally used Omega dials and case backs with their trademarks.
I think unless they currently sell a reissue or very similar successor they don't really have the right to complain about that. If people want a new vintage Seamaster, they'll get a new vintage Seamaster. Demand and supply.
The recent auction scandal regarding the "fake" Omega rather puts a dent in the purists arguments. Omega has even suspended their "Extract From the Archives" service because of what went on. Myself, I recently bought a virtually NOS Watchco Baby Ploprof on the Shark Mesh. Paid about the same as a higher-end Tudor Sports & am loving it. I'd only caution to make sure your parts-bin build is fitted with a suitable donor movement, having the correct reference & correct vintage serial. Sellers of watchco S/M 300's seem to be upfront on what they're selling...not so with Shom or Baby Ploprof unfortunately.
I refrain from commenting about these particular watches but what I can say is I absolutely love this model and I wish Omega kept in production like they did with the Speedmaster Professional.
Thanks! I tried to keep it to the point, and save the history of the Seamaster 300 for another time. And yeah, these were a lot cheaper to get 10 years ago. Just goes to show how strong the vintage market is right now! - James
I have a 1970 to 1979 18k automatic watchco omega seamaster antimagnetic and 1980 1420 gold plate omega seamaster quartz still working til this day. I think it great that omega company services these watches and is a great vintage time piece.
Nice looking watch. IMHO it's a Franken because it is assembled from different parts bins and also not by Omega. And because of the later, to me it's not a real Omega. The problem I see with these is, that without corresponding papers/documentation it could be sold as a "real" SM300. and that's an absolute NO GO in my book. Also for a "Franken" it's a damn pricey thing they're offering here.
Hardly the case. It is assembled from genuine Omega parts of the correct type and date, just as Omega would do themselves. Omega supplied their own genuine stock parts to their service centre in OZ, and you could not tell the difference. If a watch is sent to Omega for repair, exactly the same process occurs - you must therefore believe that a watch repaired by Omega is not a real omega. Ridiculous.
@@1977ajax In my book: If an Omega was not made in the factory at Bienne ... it's not an Omega. ALL Omegas are produced and assembled in Switzerland. This was not. It was assembled by WatchCo in Australia and not by Omega in Switzerland. The question also bears, should it even state "Swiss Made"? Because at least 60% of the labour must be done in Switzerland. Still, it is a nice watch ... but it's not the same watch as the originally Omega-manufactured OMEGA Seamaster. It's a WatchCo (Omega) Seamaster, made from parts acquired from Omega, not by Omega. That's simply not the same.
As a hardcorre fan, and having the original one, it's hard for me to accept it. But i understand your business; As long as nobody sells it as original, it's ok!
@@LuisFranciscoAguilar What ever we say it's full 100% geniune Omega or OMEGA without any doubt. All parts are Omega's. What is a matter who is assembler? How you call Omega Speedmasters made for Apollo program Omega or OMEGA? As a hardcore fan I hope you know what I asking you?
Help! What do I give my dad on his 80th birthday? I'm considering something in the $750 - $1500 range. The ones I like the best so far is the Tissot Gentlemen Powermatic 80 Silicum and the Longines Flagship Heritage. What do you think about these choices? Any other I should be considering? He's not a watch collector, just someone who deserves a nice watch. He's someone who doesn't like anything too feminine or modern/outlandish looking, and he's someone who mostly wears blue jeans and a checkered shirt, rarely a suit and a tie. He actually likes square/rectangular watches, but I haven't found anyone I like in that price range. I'm sure he would appreciate a nice round one just the same. I'm thankful for your suggestions.
I had two. The second broke my heart. I'd just had it serviced when I flew overseas, landed in Beijing and pulled the crown right off while changing the date! I couldn't get it serviced in China because all the watchmakers were screaming "FAKE!" One even tried to smash it with a hammer, which caused a fist fight and police to be called (my girlfriend there was able to prevent me from being arrested). Needless to say, I sold that Watcho and moved on. But nothing I've purchased since has felt as amazing on my wrist. By the way 6000 is an insane amount to ask for a Watchco. They are $3250 to $4000 USD depending upon the condition and if they have a bracelet or not.
quote: "open and honest about what these Seamaster.s are, I do not see the problem". Creating new Seamaster,s from NOS, donor movements, they are not vintage watches. Sorry, not at the moment they are sold. The (resale) value of these new pieces is depended on the rarity of the true vintage pieces still existing. So Yes it is a scam. A watch that never has been assembled by Omega, is not a true Omega. The fact that Omega was upset is enough to see the harm done to Omega, to the vintage piece owners and in general to the watch branch of AD. I agree that technical these pieces are better than the vintage Seamaster. Spare parts used for creating new "vintage watches" are lost for maintaining the true Vintage pieces still in use from the original Seamaster. So harm is done, it is not a win win situation.
Wrong. It WAS assembled by Omega at their Australian service centre. Did you even watch the video. They were not 'spare parts' as such either, they were genuine Omega replacement parts, exactly the same as the parts Omega would use for repairs. You really can't be trying to say that an Omega repaired by an Omega service centre is 'not an Omega'!
Omega fanboys would not be happy to hear you liken this to a Certina 🤣 Luckily there are a few companies that offer good homages of this watch for less than £1000. - James
Are they fake? Hardly, to me they’re far more desirable, they have a cool story. I’d say they have more mystique and charm than the factory built originals.
The genuine one is £8.5k from the same guys. And that's obviously in way worse condition because it's over 50 years old. I completely understand why you'd rather get a new watch for the money though! - James
You may want to do some research before dropping your opinion. During the 1960s when these Omega Seamaster 300s were originally made, Omega did not place a serial number on a stainless steel case, just on the movement. These cases originally only had a reference number. When Omega later created these "service cases" for their 1960s model, they followed the same practice of no case serial number, instead just relying on the movement serial number for identification purposes. You can argue that these watches are fake if you wish to but that the case doesn't have a serial number is not a legitimate argument. The movements are original Omega from the 1960s and the cases, bezel, crown, gaskets, case screws and clamps, dial and hands are all genuine, more recent Omega service replacement parts.
@@rotorself-winding698 Maybe try watching the video before opening your mouth. They are talking about omega watches not built at the omega factory. Grow up son.
@redauwg911 Sorry, you're still wrong. Your statement was incorrect, and once you lost on the facts, you began a personal attack. The video states exactly the facts and history of these Watchco watches. That these Omega watches don't have a case serial number isn't the issue. Another example is that 1960s Speedmasters don't have a case serial number nor do their replacement cases. Please spend some time and research 1960s steel Omega watches. If your point is that these watches weren't assembled at the factory that's a another matter but vastly different from what you argued for originally some months ago.
You can buy this very watch from our friends at Watches of Lancashire here! - watchesoflancashire.com/product/1965-omega-seamaster-300-st-166-0324-watch-co/
And if you like the straps it's on, you can visit our shop: www.watchgecko.com
That price is a little insane.
Out of stock. :-(
Omega would make a killing if they released a watch like that again
Which they flatly refuse to do because they are insane.
Yeah I’m done waiting on them I’m just going to buy one of these
IMHO 2024 and Omega design creativity has reached a bankrupt stage 🥲
imagine .....no hideous HEV at 10o'clock. truly beautiful design
I bought a date model from Watchco back in 2010. Got it serviced by Omega UK straight after it arrived and again last year. No issues at all. If I remember right i paid for it approx £1,200 back then 🙃
I think this might look better than a vintage original. I like patina and even faux patina in some cases (Longines heritage military is gorgeous) but this looks so good with crisp, clean lume.
Yeah, there's something really cool about seeing one in this condition. The fact the lume still glows is really neat too! - James
I worked for WatchCo for a few years, Marcus was a great boss :)
Interesting content but I don't agree with your point, just because a buyer knows what it is and is happy with it, doesn't mean it's not a fake. It's not assembled by Omega or licensed by them, so I would consider it fake. You can't even consider it a homage as they literally used Omega dials and case backs with their trademarks.
If it's fake how come omega company service watchco omega watches..🤔
Also what you think about swatch omega watches is it fake too?
I think unless they currently sell a reissue or very similar successor they don't really have the right to complain about that. If people want a new vintage Seamaster, they'll get a new vintage Seamaster. Demand and supply.
Very true! And clearly a lot of people like these, because they sold very well.
I have a Helson Sharkmaster homage, very good quality and finishing, just no Omega on the dial...
I'd love to see a Helson in the flesh one day. They look like fantastic watches! - James
@@watchgecko Sharkmaster back in stock at the end of the month ;)
The recent auction scandal regarding the "fake" Omega rather puts a dent in the purists arguments. Omega has even suspended their "Extract From the Archives" service because of what went on. Myself, I recently bought a virtually NOS Watchco Baby Ploprof on the Shark Mesh. Paid about the same as a higher-end Tudor Sports & am loving it. I'd only caution to make sure your parts-bin build is fitted with a suitable donor movement, having the correct reference & correct vintage serial. Sellers of watchco S/M 300's seem to be upfront on what they're selling...not so with Shom or Baby Ploprof unfortunately.
I refrain from commenting about these particular watches but what I can say is I absolutely love this model and I wish Omega kept in production like they did with the Speedmaster Professional.
so you could just buy the vintage movements fully assembled or did they have to assemble them themselves
Best video on a Watchco SM300!
I read they were once less than $2k to get all the components..... Yikes!!
Thanks! I tried to keep it to the point, and save the history of the Seamaster 300 for another time. And yeah, these were a lot cheaper to get 10 years ago. Just goes to show how strong the vintage market is right now! - James
I know a guy who made one for just $1200 back in the day.
they need to bring back the seamasters from the 90s. today the newer ones are too thick
I have a 1970 to 1979 18k automatic watchco omega seamaster antimagnetic and 1980 1420 gold plate omega seamaster quartz still working til this day. I think it great that omega company services these watches and is a great vintage time piece.
Nice looking watch. IMHO it's a Franken because it is assembled from different parts bins and also not by Omega. And because of the later, to me it's not a real Omega.
The problem I see with these is, that without corresponding papers/documentation it could be sold as a "real" SM300. and that's an absolute NO GO in my book. Also for a "Franken" it's a damn pricey thing they're offering here.
Hardly the case. It is assembled from genuine Omega parts of the correct type and date, just as Omega would do themselves. Omega supplied their own genuine stock parts to their service centre in OZ, and you could not tell the difference. If a watch is sent to Omega for repair, exactly the same process occurs - you must therefore believe that a watch repaired by Omega is not a real omega. Ridiculous.
@@1977ajax In my book: If an Omega was not made in the factory at Bienne ... it's not an Omega.
ALL Omegas are produced and assembled in Switzerland. This was not. It was assembled by WatchCo in Australia and not by Omega in Switzerland.
The question also bears, should it even state "Swiss Made"? Because at least 60% of the labour must be done in Switzerland.
Still, it is a nice watch ... but it's not the same watch as the originally Omega-manufactured OMEGA Seamaster. It's a WatchCo (Omega) Seamaster, made from parts acquired from Omega, not by Omega. That's simply not the same.
@@7rslender ' made from parts acquired from Omega, not by Omega. ' Do you even read what you blather before posting!
@@1977ajax Thanks for pointing that out. Have a great one ... oh ... and buy whatever you like. Cheers!
@@7rslender Maybe work on losing gracefully without further gibberish to save face. Blocked now.
As a hardcorre fan, and having the original one, it's hard for me to accept it. But i understand your business; As long as nobody sells it as original, it's ok!
But problem is that this watch in fact is a 100% genuine Omega aside who assemble it. In other words this is 100% NOS Omega Seamaster 300m.
@@stevanpavic Absolutely correct, genuine Omega.
@@morganthedruid1 mmmmm no.
@@stevanpavic ‘Omega’ but not OMEGA.
@@LuisFranciscoAguilar What ever we say it's full 100% geniune Omega or OMEGA without any doubt. All parts are Omega's. What is a matter who is assembler? How you call Omega Speedmasters made for Apollo program Omega or OMEGA? As a hardcore fan I hope you know what I asking you?
Looks just like my $299 Citizen. Has a fantastic automatic movement that runs consistently 3 seconds fast per day.
Good video. Great idea. But not an Omega…..
Nonsense. It is assembled from the correct Omega parts of the correct type, by an omega service centre.
I own the same no date version and I’ll never sell it. Much more interesting and beautiful than a black bay 58 and the same price.
Best looking Seamaster ever, best looking dive watch ever alongside the firsts 50 Fathoms. Period.
Help! What do I give my dad on his 80th birthday? I'm considering something in the $750 - $1500 range. The ones I like the best so far is the Tissot Gentlemen Powermatic 80 Silicum and the Longines Flagship Heritage. What do you think about these choices? Any other I should be considering? He's not a watch collector, just someone who deserves a nice watch. He's someone who doesn't like anything too feminine or modern/outlandish looking, and he's someone who mostly wears blue jeans and a checkered shirt, rarely a suit and a tie. He actually likes square/rectangular watches, but I haven't found anyone I like in that price range. I'm sure he would appreciate a nice round one just the same. I'm thankful for your suggestions.
Fascinating, I wasn’t aware of this. Not fake IMHO 👍🏻 Thanks for another great video James & WatchGecko!
which omega caliber is in them?
Interesting history.
These are really nice watches. They are hard to categorize, but to me, it’s an Omega.
Interesting piece. Regards.
hello friend, please, where can i buy a homage like this?
It is what it is...
I own a WatchCo Seamaster 300 and find it charming enough. 😉 it’s a beautiful piece.
I had two. The second broke my heart. I'd just had it serviced when I flew overseas, landed in Beijing and pulled the crown right off while changing the date! I couldn't get it serviced in China because all the watchmakers were screaming "FAKE!" One even tried to smash it with a hammer, which caused a fist fight and police to be called (my girlfriend there was able to prevent me from being arrested). Needless to say, I sold that Watcho and moved on. But nothing I've purchased since has felt as amazing on my wrist.
By the way 6000 is an insane amount to ask for a Watchco. They are $3250 to $4000 USD depending upon the condition and if they have a bracelet or not.
quite interesting, thank you :)
If they released this again, I'd instantly pick one up, preferably a blue dial.
A Porsche 356 Carrera 4 cam made up from FA Porsche and OEM parts is still a Porsche 356 Carrera...
If it does not have a Porsche Carrera 4 cam serial number it is a kit car. Will never have the resale value of a real one.
@@redauwg911 yeah your right i will take it off your hands for 400 bucks........
quote: "open and honest about what these Seamaster.s are, I do not see the problem". Creating new Seamaster,s from NOS, donor movements, they are not vintage watches. Sorry, not at the moment they are sold. The (resale) value of these new pieces is depended on the rarity of the true vintage pieces still existing. So Yes it is a scam. A watch that never has been assembled by Omega, is not a true Omega. The fact that Omega was upset is enough to see the harm done to Omega, to the vintage piece owners and in general to the watch branch of AD. I agree that technical these pieces are better than the vintage Seamaster. Spare parts used for creating new "vintage watches" are lost for maintaining the true Vintage pieces still in use from the original Seamaster. So harm is done, it is not a win win situation.
Wrong. It WAS assembled by Omega at their Australian service centre. Did you even watch the video. They were not 'spare parts' as such either, they were genuine Omega replacement parts, exactly the same as the parts Omega would use for repairs. You really can't be trying to say that an Omega repaired by an Omega service centre is 'not an Omega'!
I have one!
Nice watch
God damn, that's one nice looking watch but at £6K a piece, well out of my price range. It kinda look like the Certina diver
Omega fanboys would not be happy to hear you liken this to a Certina 🤣 Luckily there are a few companies that offer good homages of this watch for less than £1000. - James
@@watchgecko 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃👍👍👍
@@watchgeckowhy? Certina made similar spec military divers in the 60s with sword hands and fully graduated bezels
It was indeed made by Omega, simply not assembled by them, but by their service centre in Australia.
Are they fake? Hardly, to me they’re far more desirable, they have a cool story. I’d say they have more mystique and charm than the factory built originals.
6000 bloody pound for this guy lol
The genuine one is £8.5k from the same guys. And that's obviously in way worse condition because it's over 50 years old. I completely understand why you'd rather get a new watch for the money though! - James
The proper average price is $3250 to $4000.
Nice looking but yes it is a fake no question. There is no Omega serial number,
You may want to do some research before dropping your opinion.
During the 1960s when these Omega Seamaster 300s were originally made, Omega did not place a serial number on a stainless steel case, just on the movement. These cases originally only had a reference number. When Omega later created these "service cases" for their 1960s model, they followed the same practice of no case serial number, instead just relying on the movement serial number for identification purposes.
You can argue that these watches are fake if you wish to but that the case doesn't have a serial number is not a legitimate argument. The movements are original Omega from the 1960s and the cases, bezel, crown, gaskets, case screws and clamps, dial and hands are all genuine, more recent Omega service replacement parts.
@@rotorself-winding698 Maybe try watching the video before opening your mouth. They are talking about omega watches not built at the omega factory. Grow up son.
@redauwg911
Sorry, you're still wrong. Your statement was incorrect, and once you lost on the facts, you began a personal attack.
The video states exactly the facts and history of these Watchco watches. That these Omega watches don't have a case serial number isn't the issue. Another example is that 1960s Speedmasters don't have a case serial number nor do their replacement cases. Please spend some time and research 1960s steel Omega watches.
If your point is that these watches weren't assembled at the factory that's a another matter but vastly different from what you argued for originally some months ago.
@@rotorself-winding698 do some research before dropping your opinion.
@redauwg911
I started researching and studying vintage watches some decades ago. Thus the reason I initially responded to your initial comment.
They aren't fakes...I'd say...refurbished?
Everyday is a school day. Thank you.
Our pleasure! We hope you enjoyed the video! 😁 - James
they are repurposed Omega watches.