Carrying a flag into battle. Remember, back then they had no communication system except shouting and messengers. The flag was a rally point to help keep the troops in ranks. It is only with modern radio that such reference points were no longer needed. In some weird way, I think of Glory as a Rogue One kind of movie.
I've read reports in military records, that troops were punished with anything like being forced to do laps around the camp ,wearing a pack pack full of rocks or running while holding something heavy overhead to slapped into iron chains w/ a heavy iron ball locked to ones ankles. Those are just a few examples, as the punishments were numerous. There were times men were drummed out of the army and suffered humiliation in the process , being branded a coward .The ultimate punishment was being shot by firing squad. These punishments were dealt to ALL soldiers ,no matter their backgrounds. And if anyone is curious... $13 U.S. dollars (1 months pay) back in 1863 according to inflation today, is equal to $324.04 (2024)
Usually, the bodies of officers were returned for burial. The Confederates defending Fort Wagner buried Shaw with his men, intending it as an insult, as this was done as a purposeful slight. Robert Shaw's father, however, did not want his body returned, but insisted that he remain buried with his men. He later wrote a letter on the subject: "We would not have his body removed from where it lies surrounded by his brave and devoted soldiers. ... We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies, among his brave and devoted followers, nor wish for him better company. - what a body-guard he has!"
U prob know, there's many Americans buried in WW1 & WW2 cemeteries overseas whose families were later given choice of having bodies exhumed & returned to the US. Some of the cemeteries established cuz of their close proximity to battle sites. Many of the families elected to let their loved one rest near their fellow fallen soldiers. Definitely a personal decision made by individual families. I hope to tour some of those cemeteries in Europe one day (Meuse-Argonne, Normandy, etc.). I hv bn to the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor. Strange to walk not far over the fighting sailors entombed in their ship. Cemetry or Ship - Holy Ground.
8:39 A bit of hollywood inaccuracy. They DID have anesthesia in Civil War hospitals. The bigger problem back then is that they still didn't have Pasture's Germ Theory Of Disease so doctors operated in filthy conditions and infection set in far more that necessary.
During the time of the Civil War, the states and sometimes even individual people recruited units to serve alongside the Federal Army. These privately raised units had a lot of freedom in their organization and whoever raised the unit could appoint the commanding officer. At lower officer positions, many were elected by their peers. That's how Gould became a captain at the beginning. When the 54th was raised, Gould was appointed as the colonel in command. He chose his own staff officers. These ranks were parallel to US Army ranks. The units could also have their own uniforms and there were some pretty extravagant uniforms on both sides at the beginning of the war although, in time, things settled into the familiar blue and gray. Basically, the "Golden Rule" was in effect. The one with the gold to pay for raising the unit got to make the rules.
So the battle int the beginning was Antietam about nine months before Gettysburg and Emancipation of the slave. It was widely considered a stalemate as the Union complete they military goals but some 23000 men were killed wounded or captured by the end of it. In this way it was a horrid defeat.
39 lashes was the maximum for desertion. Since Biblical times to exceed the order of 40 was a crime punishable by death. So it was safer to end at 39 than lose count and exceed 40.
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Thanks for reacting. I'm a Southerner myself and find your comments quite reasonable. Also I believe it was William T. Sherman who was know for burning towns throughout the South.
The movie captures the spirit of the 54th Massachusetts, but I do have a couple of criticisms of the film. First of all the flogging never happened because by 1860 flogging had been banned in the Army. I do wish they had included Fredrick Douglas's sons, Lewis Henry and Frederick Jr., who were some of the first to volunteer for the 54th. I also wish they had included Sgt. William Harvey Carney the real flag bearer in the assault on Ft. Wagner who earned the Medal of Honor in that engagement. Though wounded several times he carried the Colors through the battle never letting the flag touch the ground. Why he was portrayed in the movie I'll never know. Maybe because he survived the war.
Whipping someone is not a army thing it was a slavery thing. The Denzel character wasn't a problem he was a man who has been through slavery and mistreatment and working for the slavers which is why he was mad.
Armies around the world used to whip their soldiers as a corporal punishment. The US Army banned it in August 1861 and in the Confederate Army in August 1862.
@@SiblingsReactandDrinkI want to emphasize this since I haven’t seen anyone directly say it. Denzel Washington’s character getting flogged is a powerful and moving scene, but it never would have really happened. The Union army banned flogging two years before the formation of Black troops.
@@gabrielegenota1480 I don't watch reaction videos for the purpose of listening to a dissertation. If I wanted a lecture, then I would sign up for university courses.
People laugh, but actually the rules of war were more clear & fair during the civil war than they are today. Even with bringing along the drummers and flag bearer. Just compare it to today's terrorist attacks & guerilla warfare style of urban combat. Never mind using long range missiles, jet fighters, land mines, tanks, drones etc.
I am a 76 year old history major, specializing in the American Civil War... At 51:43 you say, "Fuckin' South. What the hell, man." What a terrible thing to say. Obviously, you (1) have no concept or understanding of what motivated individual soldiers (mostly uneducated, mostly with no earthly idea of politics and such issues at state and national level) to fight in the war, other than "slavery." Remember, there was no internet, no radio, no television, very little, if any, education. The country was mostly rural and many people had never traveled farther than the nearest town or their own county. They simply fought out of loyalty to their family and neighbors. They did not want to bear the shame of not serving their family or state--that was all they needed to "understand." The whole war was terribly complex, both at the higher political levels, and at the lowest soldier level. So confusing. (2) You don't understand who your viewers are. Many viewers have no idea what the war was about, when it happened, and who the two sides were. But there are many other of your viewers who had ancestors on both sides. Out of family loyalty--a rare thing nowadays--they pass along from one generation to the next, the sacrifices those men and blue and gray made. And NEITHER side was totally "clean." Burning that house in Darien? Study William T. Sherman's "March to the Sea" with his federal troops through Georgia and South Carolina. So when you say "Fuckin' South," you show both a lack of balanced understanding of the war, as well as disrespect to viewers. (3) I enjoyed this movie when it premiered in 1990 or so. That said, it is Hollywood, and Hollywood exists to turn a profit for its investors. And profit comes from drama. And drama derives from "adjusting" the true facts. You just cannot cram two or three years of complex events into a two-hour film without truth suffering. I had three direct ancestors from Mississippi who fought in that terrible war, pitting Americans against each other. One was a 20 year old student when killed on the second day at Gettysburg. I have his pocket Bible and his pocket watch with broken glass. He was buried in a common grave, and his parents never knew what happened to him. Another was grievously wounded with a bullet through the jaw at the Battle of Atlanta, but somehow survived. The last one make in through the war unscathed. I also had others who served with the Union army. Our family lost men on both sides. Southern mothers and Union mothers were mothers, and they grieved for each others' losses. Lastly, as the war dragged onward, the soldiers on both sides found that they had more respect for each other than for the civilians and politicians who sent them off to war. Weather, disease, primitive medical care, lack of uniforms and shoes, awful food, contaminated water, lack of sanitation.....the list goes on for both sides. You see the Confederates removing Union shoes? In June-July 1863, as the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia marched into Pennsylvania, many were barefoot. A rumor of a warehouse of shoes in a little town of Gettysburg led to three days of combat and the worst battle of the war. At the surrender of Lee's Army at Appomattox Court House in 1865, the Union soldiers saluted the surrendering Confederate units. After the war, at the many reunions held on the battlefields, Union and Confederate soldiers would intermingle. If anyone had a right to say, "Fuckin' South.", it would be them. They were there; they made the sacrifices, not you or me. All we have done is watch a movie on a comfortable couch and sip a drink. So much for any "sacrifice" of our current generations. With respect, I would ask you to take a moment to reconsider what you said at 51:43, to let the emotion of that moment calm down, and to apologize to your viewers. Again, with respect.
@@RonnieGomes-rr4dl 😆😆😆 "Neo-confederate"? Well, if I am neo-confederate, then it stands to reason that I am just as much a neo-Union. I had three ancestors in Pennsylvania regiments and two from New York. Three of the five were wounded. One was KIA. But I'm sure you already knew that, right? And I'm so impressed that you are a close acquaintance with everyone else in the world--each and every person--such that you can speak for all of them when writing, "...no one else would get offended." Such searing intellect and comprehensive knowledge in depth of that war are certainly commendable. As it was, having been a US Army infantryman and commander for 26 years, I was brought to tears when I first saw this flick way back when. I could, and still do, relate to Colonel Shaw's loyalty to his men every time I watch this. I'd give Glory a nine our of ten, and in my opinion, Washington, Broderick, and Freeman should all have received Oscars.
I grew up in the South and had relatives that fought for the Confederacy. I respect them as soldiers, but they were on the wrong side of history. At least Sherman was freeing slaves when he marched. During Lee's invasion of Pennsylvania in 1863, his troops rounded up blacks(most were not fugitive slaves) and sent them South into slavery(many of these abductions were done by Albert G. Jenkins' cavalry brigade).
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I have never come out of watching this with dry eyes after "GIVE'EM HELL 54TH !!!"
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Carrying a flag into battle.
Remember, back then they had no communication system except shouting and messengers. The flag was a rally point to help keep the troops in ranks. It is only with modern radio that such reference points were no longer needed.
In some weird way, I think of Glory as a Rogue One kind of movie.
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At the final battle you actually see the guy holding the flag up on the parapet shouting “Rally!”
I've read reports in military records, that troops were punished with anything like being forced to do laps around the camp ,wearing a pack pack full of rocks or running while holding something heavy overhead to slapped into iron chains w/ a heavy iron ball locked to ones ankles. Those are just a few examples, as the punishments were numerous. There were times men were drummed out of the army and suffered humiliation in the process , being branded a coward .The ultimate punishment was being shot by firing squad. These punishments were dealt to ALL soldiers ,no matter their backgrounds. And if anyone is curious... $13 U.S. dollars (1 months pay) back in 1863 according to inflation today, is equal to $324.04 (2024)
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Usually, the bodies of officers were returned for burial. The Confederates defending Fort Wagner buried Shaw with his men, intending it as an insult, as this was done as a purposeful slight. Robert Shaw's father, however, did not want his body returned, but insisted that he remain buried with his men. He later wrote a letter on the subject:
"We would not have his body removed from where it lies surrounded by his brave and devoted soldiers. ... We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies, among his brave and devoted followers, nor wish for him better company. - what a body-guard he has!"
Thanks for watching and sharing this story.
U prob know, there's many Americans buried in WW1 & WW2 cemeteries overseas whose families were later given choice of having bodies exhumed & returned to the US. Some of the cemeteries established cuz of their close proximity to battle sites. Many of the families elected to let their loved one rest near their fellow fallen soldiers. Definitely a personal decision made by individual families. I hope to tour some of those cemeteries in Europe one day (Meuse-Argonne, Normandy, etc.). I hv bn to the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor. Strange to walk not far over the fighting sailors entombed in their ship. Cemetry or Ship - Holy Ground.
8:39 A bit of hollywood inaccuracy. They DID have anesthesia in Civil War hospitals. The bigger problem back then is that they still didn't have Pasture's Germ Theory Of Disease so doctors operated in filthy conditions and infection set in far more that necessary.
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"I'll see you in the fort, Thomas."
During the time of the Civil War, the states and sometimes even individual people recruited units to serve alongside the Federal Army. These privately raised units had a lot of freedom in their organization and whoever raised the unit could appoint the commanding officer. At lower officer positions, many were elected by their peers. That's how Gould became a captain at the beginning. When the 54th was raised, Gould was appointed as the colonel in command. He chose his own staff officers. These ranks were parallel to US Army ranks. The units could also have their own uniforms and there were some pretty extravagant uniforms on both sides at the beginning of the war although, in time, things settled into the familiar blue and gray. Basically, the "Golden Rule" was in effect. The one with the gold to pay for raising the unit got to make the rules.
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So the battle int the beginning was Antietam about nine months before Gettysburg and Emancipation of the slave. It was widely considered a stalemate as the Union complete they military goals but some 23000 men were killed wounded or captured by the end of it. In this way it was a horrid defeat.
39 lashes was the maximum for desertion. Since Biblical times to exceed the order of 40 was a crime punishable by death. So it was safer to end at 39 than lose count and exceed 40.
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This is some of the state history I'm most proud of. We massachusettians have a lot of great history to learn about.
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@@SiblingsReactandDrink smoking a bowl actually but same thing. If you want to learn about history fr there's some great RUclips channels id recommend
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Excellent! Got my coffee!!
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Glory was a great movie you guys are fun to watch
Thanks for saying that. We loved the movie.
That Denzel whip scene is tough man
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Thanks for reacting. I'm a Southerner myself and find your comments quite reasonable. Also I believe it was William T. Sherman who was know for burning towns throughout the South.
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The South was kicking our behinds for much of the war. We turned the tide eventually. thank god
So meaningful. I had ancestors on both sides ;-( Union soldiers in camp invented baseball.
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The movie captures the spirit of the 54th Massachusetts, but I do have a couple of criticisms of the film. First of all the flogging never happened because by 1860 flogging had been banned in the Army. I do wish they had included Fredrick Douglas's sons, Lewis Henry and Frederick Jr., who were some of the first to volunteer for the 54th. I also wish they had included Sgt. William Harvey Carney the real flag bearer in the assault on Ft. Wagner who earned the Medal of Honor in that engagement. Though wounded several times he carried the Colors through the battle never letting the flag touch the ground. Why he was portrayed in the movie I'll never know. Maybe because he survived the war.
Thanks for sharing the story of the sons and Sargent. Too bad they did not include them in the movie. we will never understand Hollywood.
There were approximately 10,500 battles and engagements during the 4 years of the American Civil War.
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My only real criticism of this perfect film is that the 54th were not jiving, southern ex slaves. They were Yankees. Boston boys. Freeborn.
Whipping someone is not a army thing it was a slavery thing. The Denzel character wasn't a problem he was a man who has been through slavery and mistreatment and working for the slavers which is why he was mad.
Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion.
Armies around the world used to whip their soldiers as a corporal punishment. The US Army banned it in August 1861 and in the Confederate Army in August 1862.
@@SiblingsReactandDrinkI want to emphasize this since I haven’t seen anyone directly say it. Denzel Washington’s character getting flogged is a powerful and moving scene, but it never would have really happened. The Union army banned flogging two years before the formation of Black troops.
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I'm afraid shoes are reserved for those who can Jump to conclusions doormat.
Office Space is one of my favorite movies...Rick
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Jesus Christ! These people comment every time they take a breath! It's like THEY are the entertainment.
Yes they are the entertainment! We are hear to see their reaction to the movie and hear their comments.
wh… what else would you watch a reaction video for? If you just want to watch the movie without anyone else’s input, just watch it on your own.
@@gabrielegenota1480 I don't watch reaction videos for the purpose of listening to a dissertation. If I wanted a lecture, then I would sign up for university courses.
@@1MahaDas what, do you like- watch reaction videos for them to just go
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while you watch the movie lmao
You two must watch Gettysburg when you have time. It's another great Civil War movie.
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People laugh, but actually the rules of war were more clear & fair during the civil war than they are today. Even with bringing along the drummers and flag bearer. Just compare it to today's terrorist attacks & guerilla warfare style of urban combat. Never mind using long range missiles, jet fighters, land mines, tanks, drones etc.
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the brother is so annoying by the end just stfu and watch the film
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I am a 76 year old history major, specializing in the American Civil War...
At 51:43 you say, "Fuckin' South. What the hell, man." What a terrible thing to say.
Obviously, you (1) have no concept or understanding of what motivated individual soldiers (mostly uneducated, mostly with no earthly idea of politics and such issues at state and national level) to fight in the war, other than "slavery." Remember, there was no internet, no radio, no television, very little, if any, education. The country was mostly rural and many people had never traveled farther than the nearest town or their own county. They simply fought out of loyalty to their family and neighbors. They did not want to bear the shame of not serving their family or state--that was all they needed to "understand." The whole war was terribly complex, both at the higher political levels, and at the lowest soldier level. So confusing.
(2) You don't understand who your viewers are. Many viewers have no idea what the war was about, when it happened, and who the two sides were. But there are many other of your viewers who had ancestors on both sides. Out of family loyalty--a rare thing nowadays--they pass along from one generation to the next, the sacrifices those men and blue and gray made. And NEITHER side was totally "clean." Burning that house in Darien? Study William T. Sherman's "March to the Sea" with his federal troops through Georgia and South Carolina. So when you say "Fuckin' South," you show both a lack of balanced understanding of the war, as well as disrespect to viewers.
(3) I enjoyed this movie when it premiered in 1990 or so. That said, it is Hollywood, and Hollywood exists to turn a profit for its investors. And profit comes from drama. And drama derives from "adjusting" the true facts. You just cannot cram two or three years of complex events into a two-hour film without truth suffering.
I had three direct ancestors from Mississippi who fought in that terrible war, pitting Americans against each other. One was a 20 year old student when killed on the second day at Gettysburg. I have his pocket Bible and his pocket watch with broken glass. He was buried in a common grave, and his parents never knew what happened to him. Another was grievously wounded with a bullet through the jaw at the Battle of Atlanta, but somehow survived. The last one make in through the war unscathed. I also had others who served with the Union army. Our family lost men on both sides. Southern mothers and Union mothers were mothers, and they grieved for each others' losses.
Lastly, as the war dragged onward, the soldiers on both sides found that they had more respect for each other than for the civilians and politicians who sent them off to war. Weather, disease, primitive medical care, lack of uniforms and shoes, awful food, contaminated water, lack of sanitation.....the list goes on for both sides. You see the Confederates removing Union shoes? In June-July 1863, as the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia marched into Pennsylvania, many were barefoot. A rumor of a warehouse of shoes in a little town of Gettysburg led to three days of combat and the worst battle of the war.
At the surrender of Lee's Army at Appomattox Court House in 1865, the Union soldiers saluted the surrendering Confederate units. After the war, at the many reunions held on the battlefields, Union and Confederate soldiers would intermingle. If anyone had a right to say, "Fuckin' South.", it would be them. They were there; they made the sacrifices, not you or me. All we have done is watch a movie on a comfortable couch and sip a drink. So much for any "sacrifice" of our current generations.
With respect, I would ask you to take a moment to reconsider what you said at 51:43, to let the emotion of that moment calm down, and to apologize to your viewers. Again, with respect.
This dude is an obvious neo-confederate because no one else would get offended by your statement. There is no need to apologize to him.
@@RonnieGomes-rr4dl 😆😆😆 "Neo-confederate"? Well, if I am neo-confederate, then it stands to reason that I am just as much a neo-Union. I had three ancestors in Pennsylvania regiments and two from New York. Three of the five were wounded. One was KIA. But I'm sure you already knew that, right? And I'm so impressed that you are a close acquaintance with everyone else in the world--each and every person--such that you can speak for all of them when writing, "...no one else would get offended." Such searing intellect and comprehensive knowledge in depth of that war are certainly commendable. As it was, having been a US Army infantryman and commander for 26 years, I was brought to tears when I first saw this flick way back when. I could, and still do, relate to Colonel Shaw's loyalty to his men every time I watch this. I'd give Glory a nine our of ten, and in my opinion, Washington, Broderick, and Freeman should all have received Oscars.
F**K THE SOUTH and anyone who fought to uphold slavery. They were all guilty of treason. They didn't need the internet to know slavery was wrong.
I grew up in the South and had relatives that fought for the Confederacy. I respect them as soldiers, but they were on the wrong side of history. At least Sherman was freeing slaves when he marched. During Lee's invasion of Pennsylvania in 1863, his troops rounded up blacks(most were not fugitive slaves) and sent them South into slavery(many of these abductions were done by Albert G. Jenkins' cavalry brigade).
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