Yeah even I was taken aback by how amazing this fight actually was. Granted, you gotta go through a lot of steps to have every character involved which is doing every NPC quest while doing certain specific steps in some said quests. If you don’t do all the NPC quests, this fight won’t hit as hard which could hold it back for some people. But if you did everything you needed to do for this specific 3 on 5, this is probably the best NPC fight in any souls game. I can’t really think of any other NPC boss fight that felt this climactic, emotional, high stakes, hype, sadness, joy, etc. You talk with every one of these characters and they are all likeable in their own way and some fight with you or against you. And this music? One of the best OSTs in this game now. Even how the gank fight was handled was really solid because they don’t bring out everyone all at once which I appreciate. It gives you a chance to battle a 1v1 or 1v2 before bringing in your own NPC in. It’s like a top 5 fight in the DLC for me and I can’t believe I’m saying this for what is essentially a PvP NPC based gank fight. And we had the gank squad in DS2. My lord…
It can become a 3 vs 3. Kill Moore by doing his questline and say "stay sad forever" after u talk to him after the Miquella charm is broken. And by doing Hornsent questline and summoning him to fight messmer, they r all easy to do
@@Dayz3O6all that have been trying to take lordship on the frenezy flame cant hadle it die and what it remains its the esscence of the old lord that was turned into frenezy torch
This fight agains Leda and they allies vs you, Ansbach, Thiollier and your Mimic If William Regal had come out just to say: "WarGames!" would haven been the epitome of From Software
I was so hyped of the fight that all of it went away when I see my boy Moore rushing on me with a shield. I didn't even want to kill him. He just loves things, there's really no good endings in these games.
At first, they're all controlled by Miquella's great rune. Once it breaks, they have to choose if they want to follow Miquella anyways. Their choice depends on if you progress their quest or not. In this video... Ansbach decides to betray Miquella, after realizing he intends to use his lord Mogh's cadaver as a vessel for Radahn. Thiollier decides to betray Miquella at the request of St. Trina, because becoming a god would be a fate worse than death for Miquella. Freyja decides to side with Miquella, after learning that he intends to resurrect her lord Radahn. Hornsent decides to side with Miquella for a few reasons, such as a promise to save his people, but mostly because he wants to kill the player (the soon-to-be Elden Lord). As part of his revenge against Marika. Moore (not in this video) can decide to side with Miquella, because only he will provide a world that accepts unwanted children such as himself. This player didn't progress his questline so that he'd come to that realization, however, so he's absent.
@@mariuszgaaj2814 Because being a god is a burden and not a privilege. Gods in Elden Ring are sock puppets for aliens, wombs to birth a new order unto the world, and then bear all the sins and consequences.
@@mariuszgaaj2814 Miquella is not as good of a person as he thinks he is. He's motivated primarily by guilt and has a naive almost childish/pure idea that he can do better and that he could help people. However, it's clear from how he handled the whole situation and how much he manipulated/brainwashed with Radahn that he's not really all that better compared to Marika. The world he intends to make would just become a Golden Order 2.0 and Miquella would just end up repeating the mistakes of Marika and that guilt would just crush him eternally.
@@koshilowell9531in the area where St. Trina resides there is a rune where he leaves behind his Love. Which in turn would mean that if he became a god he wouldn’t be a loving god. Everyone would love him but he wouldn’t love anyone. It would just be an order of control
yeah... I feel like there were some fights and questlines in this DLC (this one being the most notable) that felt almost tailor made to try to shake people out of the no summoning mindset and force them to engage with the mechanic (even if only for NPCs. personally I've always kind of understood the stigma against co-op summons but NPC summons have always felt like they add to the experience) Hornsent's questline actually requires that you summon him for a successful attempt against Messmer in order to get one of the outcomes.
1v5 for me, i never look any guides for quests and this is the reward i get for soloing all the other bosses, now i have to start all over again, but this time im gonna kill these bums right at the start so i dont have to get ganked again
I thought it was very fun with all quests unlocked. Unsung mimic tear makes it a fair fight and you can focus down the weaker enemies first to make the fight easier. But I can see how painful it is without the quest
I love the story behind this fight. But the fight it’s self…let’s just say it’s been 15 years since NPC’s were released in demon souls and in 2024 SOTET, the function identically and have never been great. From needs to rework how NPC’s fight if they want to use these battles in the future imo.
Im the only one who spected freyja as an allie??, i mean, a true redmane will feel horrified if his general revives (like jerren and the redmane soldiers in the castle for example)
Jerren and the rest wanted him dead because he was a zombie. Killing him was mercy. She wants him alive again without the rot. Nothing implies that jerren doesnt want that too
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And the result is 10x better than Gideon. This is imo genuinely one of their best fight story and emotional wise, especially if you go out of your way to do their quests
The blame is on the player's end. People who said that Gideon's fight was easy are the same people who skipped the dialogue and attacked him immediately.
Them realizing it was the grace leading us on and not miquella was dope. And then them realizing that they could very well be fighting the next lord. Everything about this fight was cool. Say it’s 2nd nothing beats Igons dialogue for me
Igon is Born Again Dragon Chad, paraplegic inspiration. Bro's legs were broken, and he crawled his way out of despair back to Mount Doom to get his on Dragon Satan. He encourages us talking us up like a dragon bro and gives us his finger knowing we will make it, and he actually hypes us up so much Bayle the dread is referred to as Bayle the dead.
I’d like to imagine their horror when they see the Tarnished drop his yee yee ass Great Katana and pulls out the DMGS as if he’s Ludwig and his HP bar pops up when they provoke him enough
@@KhangNguyen-ij4xh*_"(Chuckles) The Erdtree?_** No, dear Leda. That which guides me, **_is with me all along._** **_(Raises Dark Moon Greatsword high)._** The gift, **_from my ONE TRUE Love._** MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT."*
Stuff like this makes me wish From was investing more into “direct” story in their games All that ambient lore and item descriptions get boring after a while Sekiro had a nice, quite direct story
Starting dialogue feels like a remixed words of SIR GIDEON OFNIR, THE ALL-KNOWING: "I knew you would come. To stand before Elden Ring, to become Elden Lord..." "I thought I'd see you. [...] For the birth of a new God and the coming of a Lord."
@@spicydong317For real. All that amazing story and world building lost behind cryptic item descriptions, which must be told by lore channels... it's a tragedy.
I adore Ansbach's dialogue here, he is probably my second favorite character in the dlc just because he feels like the lost nobility of Mohg back to take its vengence. An idea that maybe, just maybe, Mohg was not entirely a lunatic and was (perhaps slightly) more than the raving nightmare we saw as a boss.
If the fight extends a little you can hear this epic dialogue: Leda: “I can’t fathom to understand your reasons, how has it come to this?” Ansbach: “you and I, fighting, what a tragedy”.
Completing everyone's quest is basically mandatory for this fight. If you don't do that you won't get the full experience and the fight itself will be extremely tedious. But man is it worth it in the end
Had to go with my gut canon for the first run. Killed most of my allies with Leda 😂. Working on maximizing damage 2 down at least without max blessings.
@@symkoi i did the blood guys quest AND the red manes quest and she's still an enemy, I triple checked everything to make sure I didn't have to fight her
@@I_Vlad_Draculea_Iim not sure but didn’t she explicitly state that she is looking forward to meet you in battle? If you don’t kill her she is always gonna be there right?
Freja's line about you being the righteous lord of the Erdtree makes for a very cool concept. Technically - you're the boss in this fight. Leda has her squad to fight YOU and all the tricks and skills you bring.
Not gonna lie, almost cried, and had goosebump when doing this combat. The music, the story, the voice acting, it was for me, truly, the culminating point of the DLC.
@@Starkism ngl i take back what i said, i've been so dissapointed in the lame empty ending of the DLC that i'm disgusted of playing Elden ring anymore.
@@KateDerWolf believe it or not, it's par the course for from software DLCs. they always end fairly un-dramatically. because the "end" is the ending of the base game.
@@soulslasher7890 Others dlc got at least an NPC bringing closure to the quest with a monologue (Exemple : The painter, Artorias GF (forgot her name) This time it's just lame... Given what happened, all the stories we got into, it would only had been justice to get an ending for it.
@@KateDerWolf yeah, i would consider those two dlcs very good endings by from standards. but then i look at something like ashes of ariandel or the brume tower dlc and i realize that more often than not, they usually go for the abrupt anticlimactic ending. they seem very fond of it.
I was fucking tearing up when fighting Moore, his line: “You and I fighting. A tragedy.” Was so damn sad, after I helped him put sadness behind him, too.
I mean, to be fair, Leda and Hornsent were absolute murder happy shitters so I had no problem putting them down. Killing Dane and Freja was unfortunate but they lived for combat and ultimately this fight is what they wanted. Moore was just tragic tho
Bro when hornsent called me lord of marika my urges won i cosplayed godfrey and beat their asses amazing fight amazing dialogue gave me chills best dlc fight by far
I wish your allies gestured to you if they survive the fight. Insane that Ds2 had NPCs gesturing 10 years ago and not one character in Elden Ring does it
It’s cause the ds2 devs tried more cool new stuff. I don’t like ds2 but I really respect it for doing things like that. Playing Ds2 is like going to a 3 star restaurant with a great chill vibe, and the other games are like a 5 star restaurant where the whole table will stare at you if you make a joke
I feel like a protagonist in a children's action cartoon having to fight his friend whose been brainwashed by the villain,these people have been brainwashed by Miquella clearly.
They are not brainwashed. Miquella's enchantment upon them lifts after the first few boss-fights, and they still follow him because they know his intentions are good and that he will make the world a better place
@@berrie572 But they were brainwashed by him before,Miquella is a god,and the gods never have good intentions for mortals in souls games,even if the endpoint seems nice on the surface,if the road to get there requires them to toy with human lives,they do not care for us...
@theunknown7441 I'll give you the 1V1 was sick, but a collective of characters who all thought their goals aligned only to come crumbling down; that hit me harder narratively. Better than some dude creepin and stealin moves from bosses I had to kill lol!
People who say this boss fight was trash was just trying to unga their way through it. This is literally one of the best fights in the game. Super fun and emotional
Sorry but no. Gameplay wise this was just a gank pvp fight that is unbalanced. Just look at the fight in the video, everyone just bonks each other with no grace nor style. Also emotional? I guess, but still it's just some dialogues plastered over the fight. Sorry but this was a very mediocre fight, no matter how much you love the concept
@@NovacainJayR yes summon, the fight is still a mess. Just a gank pvp fight that is either hard or easy af depending of you summon or not. This fight is an unbalanced mess. Also no, tje fia fight was easy af
@@NovacainJayR well both fights suck in execution. Yes this fight is trash, no matter if it's easy or hard. It's just a pvp gank fight. Look at the video here, everyone just bonks themselves with random pvp moves and looks like a mess. There is no choreography, no balance no strategy like when you fight an actual boss with implemented moves. No, it's just a gank pvp fight with some sad lines of dialogue in between. In concept it's good, but in execution this fight is trash
I think from everything that’s talked about from this fight, I think the most striking thing is the arena. Specifically how it just becomes ABSOLUTELY covered with EVERYONE’S blood, yours included during this fight In a way, It truly felt like you were making an art piece with everyone here fighting for their ideals. And that EVERYONE left a piece of themselves there
Leda: I'm sorry for speaking to you as a compatriot when we stood before the withered arm. Me: Heh, was this your first time in the position being betrayed by a compatriot, Leda? Then clearly, you have never earned a seat at the Roundtable Hold.
looking at her lore, it's indeed possible that it's her first time in the position as the betrayed. it certainly wouldn't be her first time in the role of the traitor though. it seems like a paranoia-driven urge to stab all her allies in the back has been an issue for her since long before she started following Miquella (if anything Miquella's charm suppressed her worst traits for quite a while. she might just be the only one where the charm was a good thing)
Fighting them solo is like the worst gank you’ve ever seen x10. I’m trying to blender the first two before Leda and Kung Fu show up but the fat one has that damn shield and his pots will instantly proc rot, even if it’s an indirect hit. Thank goodness I couldn’t figure out Freyjas quest or it would be 5v1 instead of 4
Exactly. This fight is so boring. A boring pvp gank fight with some cheesy dialogue. So glsd you agree this is one of the worst executes fights. You are not so brainless, pully boy
this is one of the only fights you get complimented in aside from morgott talking crazy about flames, and killing malenia, its kinda nice, even if it all ends in death
Dude I'm doing the exact same thing and played the whole game solo up till now but probably gonna summon at this point cause it feels like it's impossible by myself and even with just me and Ansbach lol
i've regretted not being able to finish ansbach and redmane freyja's questlines, its because i played the game completely blind and despite all of my exploration in the whole map i still managed to miss their questlines from the specimen storehouse
For me it was Leda, Moore, Dane vs Me & Ansbach. Didn't look up what I needed to do for Thiollier and Freyja so they didn't make it and I helped Leda kill Hornsent before he could reach Messmer.
Yeah I also missed out on the Freyja questline, got ansbach in the right spot in that library area but he was gone after i progressed something (not sure what). So it was me ansbach and thiollier vs leda Moore and dane
May honestly be my favorite fight in the DLC. Might not be the hardest but story, execution, music, voice acting, and just everything about it pushes it ahead of everyone COUGHYKNOWIFYOUDIDALLTHESIDEQUESTSANDHAVEYOUROWNGANKSQUADTOOCOUGH
Yeah it was just me and Ansbach and it was ROUGH 😭 I caved for the first time in my 300 hours of Elden Ring and used mimic tear to win since winning the gank is largely just RNG, not skill… fighting Malenia for 70+ attempts was fine with me because whenever I failed, it was because I either mistimed a dodge or didn’t know the boss well enough. Whenever I died to this gank it was because the npc’s AI decided to heal or run me down as a group without giving me a chance to breathe. Also as much as I love Moore I feel sad that I rejoiced whenever he died because holy shit those rot pots made the fight so much fucking harder than it had to be 😭
this is the best gank/npc fight they've ever made, its so emotional and fun and powerful, the music made me start rethinking my actions and it was truly a wonderful fight
This fight is so beautiful and I’d argue even more climactic if you stand mostly alone against all your friends… but holy shit the DLC absolutely PUNISHES YOU if you don’t finish everyone’s questlines. I just had Ansbach and holy SHIT he was passive af so it was essentially me vs everyone. (Also I want to clarify I was at 18 scadutree levels at this point) After about 20 attempts and realizing my success was entirely dependent on rng (mainly, the npc ai choosing to heal or not, as well as which NPC Ansbach managed to aggro since he was so passive he never aggro’d more than one) I caved and used mimic tear for the first time in my 300 hours of Elden Ring. I won immediately and it wasn’t even close. This is still an amazing fight purely because of the lore behind it and the emotion of it but holy SHIT it is hands down the worst designed fight in all of Elden Ring. If you only have Ansbach with you or are by yourself you are COOKED. Freyja’s fun to fight (though her lion claw CAN one-shot), Hornsent is disgusting and horrible and an actual plague-infested rat (those orbs he summons one-shot at 1850 hp and are hard to avoid if Hornsent and Freyja are running you down), Moore would be fine if it weren’t for those DAMN ROT POTS that cover 5 square kilometers (and good luck using a bolus or using flame cleanse me when Leda and Dane are running you down), Dane is also a miserable rat (not as much as Hornsent ofc) because he makes it very apparent that NPC’s have NO stamina (he’s easy to kill by himself but the issue is if you ever need to heal you can’t, he is ALWAYS sprinting at you so if you let him get close you CANNOT get him out of your face since YOU can’t run indefinitely but HE can- combine that with his quick attacks as well as the other npcs running you down and Dane becomes the guy who finishes you off most of the time), and lastly Leda… her Ash of War does massive damage if it hits but it’s easy to dodge- the issue is similar to Dane- she is always running you down and it’s really hard to recover since she and Dane are always on your ass.
This is exactly how it played out for me. The 2 vs 5 was just awfull so i used the mimic the first time in that run. Its only on level 4 but already made the fight a joke
This fight hurts me. More then any other game. These people were your allies. Warriors who fought by side against bosses that motivate and feel like a real team when you summon them. Making me BELIEVE that miquella was worth fighting for and helping them. Then you find out who miquella truly was and what he really did to them. All because they were charmed and manipulated into doing miquellas bidding. When freed, they were so deep gone and believed he was right they still took his side. Miquellas influence and ambition on them, completely made them enemies to us. And having to make once allies turn enemies hurts because you know that deep down, they are victims. I know that Elden Ring makes it clear no matter what you do, everyone and anyone will turn on you in this game or will die because you cant stop them. But those that stay by your side, those that fight with you, those that motivate, inspire and make you feel strong just being there, those are real comrades in the game.
Nah this fight was honestly bullshit. Took me more tries than the actual bosses. They gang up on you and continously chase after you with infinite stamina and gank you with bullshit moves that almost one shot.
@EfecanYSL Yeah, this is a cinematic fight but they should cut the tongues out of the guys who keep saying "we should do player npc gank fight again". Stick to good boss design like the fire giant and radagon.
@EfecanYSL I never use summons, but no matter how fast I kill one npc, it always becomes 3 vs 1. This is when they gonna have to deal with two of me lol.
Neither of the player's allies in this fight are followers of Marika. Ansbach fights to avenge Mohg's defilement and Thiollier fights to fulfill St. Trina's wishes.
I don't know how we went from Halflight to this. This may honestly be my favourite DLC Boss. Never had so much emotions in a single fight and I can say that I replayed the DLC and completed all Questlines just for this fight to be perfect.
I think you have to complete all the quests or progress them to this point for them to show up. For some reason I have a Mohgwyn Dynasty guy there offering to help but idk what that’s about
How people could like this shitshow of a gank fest is beyond me, seriously if any other souslike did the exact same thing they'd be laughed at, ER does it and somehow it's "incredible".
Why do people think this fight is good? I genuinely consider it one of the worst encounters FromSoftware has ever created. The gank squad in DS2's first DLC is better than this mistake. 1. Hornsent's Barin does unreasonable damage and can possibly one-shot 2. Moore's Rot Pots have too big of a AoE where I get rotted when i don't see a cloud for and it doesn't directly hit me 3. It's too easy to get in a situation where you need to heal but the two NPCs chasing you won't go after your allies and only focus on you. a. Yes i know that you need to get them to take damage from them for their aggro to shift, the problem is that this requires going into danger when you're likely one-hit away from death. And going into the middle of a fight is a sure-fire way to get killed. However what ruined this fight for me was a failed attempt that i almost won where Asnbash killed the last one aside from the insufferable b**ch herself and would break aggro from me running away when one hit would kill me and go after the one acticely trying to kill her and not the one fleeing trying not to die. I like the idea of this fight, but the execution is so bad that removing it would make the DLC much better. Shame that such an incredible soundtrack was wasted on this shit.
They somehow made a up to 3v5 gank fight the most emotionally charged and cinematic fights in the whole series
bro i was just thinking this, in the entirety of souls games, this was the greatest npc battle of them all, just so damn epic
Fr, my favorite fight of the dlc tbh.
Yeah even I was taken aback by how amazing this fight actually was. Granted, you gotta go through a lot of steps to have every character involved which is doing every NPC quest while doing certain specific steps in some said quests. If you don’t do all the NPC quests, this fight won’t hit as hard which could hold it back for some people. But if you did everything you needed to do for this specific 3 on 5, this is probably the best NPC fight in any souls game. I can’t really think of any other NPC boss fight that felt this climactic, emotional, high stakes, hype, sadness, joy, etc. You talk with every one of these characters and they are all likeable in their own way and some fight with you or against you. And this music? One of the best OSTs in this game now. Even how the gank fight was handled was really solid because they don’t bring out everyone all at once which I appreciate. It gives you a chance to battle a 1v1 or 1v2 before bringing in your own NPC in. It’s like a top 5 fight in the DLC for me and I can’t believe I’m saying this for what is essentially a PvP NPC based gank fight. And we had the gank squad in DS2. My lord…
This was the best fight in the DLC
It can become a 3 vs 3. Kill Moore by doing his questline and say "stay sad forever" after u talk to him after the Miquella charm is broken. And by doing Hornsent questline and summoning him to fight messmer, they r all easy to do
"the erdtree was leading you all along"
(me with giant flaming frenzy head)
.... yeah, definitely
lore wise all character who side with frenzied will eventually become like the torch that Nanaya held. And the frenzied will pick a new one.
@@Dayz3O6 not so sure since he and the rest were apparently too weak to become lords - to burn the erdtree. Vyke, midra, they failed, but we succeed.
@@Dayz3O6all that have been trying to take lordship on the frenezy flame cant hadle it die and what it remains its the esscence of the old lord that was turned into frenezy torch
@@Dayz3O6Except the tarnished we're actually successful in fulfilling it's purpose.
@ciaranartorias264 we have the plot armor and shonen powerups.. they don't... lol
Everything about this is so cool.. All of the npc quests lead to this moment, and there are unique dialogues for choices you have made..
Goodness. Leda got the looney tunes, hemmed in, treatment.
You killed Freya before she could finish her lines
this is how the bosses feels when you summon coops and mimic
This fight agains Leda and they allies vs you, Ansbach, Thiollier and your Mimic
If William Regal had come out just to say: "WarGames!" would haven been the epitome of From Software
I was so hyped of the fight that all of it went away when I see my boy Moore rushing on me with a shield. I didn't even want to kill him. He just loves things, there's really no good endings in these games.
ng+6, i just cant do this
ng+3, its horrid
Can somebody explain why Band of the hawk fight each other?
At first, they're all controlled by Miquella's great rune. Once it breaks, they have to choose if they want to follow Miquella anyways. Their choice depends on if you progress their quest or not. In this video...
Ansbach decides to betray Miquella, after realizing he intends to use his lord Mogh's cadaver as a vessel for Radahn.
Thiollier decides to betray Miquella at the request of St. Trina, because becoming a god would be a fate worse than death for Miquella.
Freyja decides to side with Miquella, after learning that he intends to resurrect her lord Radahn.
Hornsent decides to side with Miquella for a few reasons, such as a promise to save his people, but mostly because he wants to kill the player (the soon-to-be Elden Lord). As part of his revenge against Marika.
Moore (not in this video) can decide to side with Miquella, because only he will provide a world that accepts unwanted children such as himself. This player didn't progress his questline so that he'd come to that realization, however, so he's absent.
@@UltraStarWarsFanatic Why would becoming a god would be a fate worse than death for Miquella?
@@mariuszgaaj2814 Because being a god is a burden and not a privilege. Gods in Elden Ring are sock puppets for aliens, wombs to birth a new order unto the world, and then bear all the sins and consequences.
@@mariuszgaaj2814 Miquella is not as good of a person as he thinks he is. He's motivated primarily by guilt and has a naive almost childish/pure idea that he can do better and that he could help people. However, it's clear from how he handled the whole situation and how much he manipulated/brainwashed with Radahn that he's not really all that better compared to Marika.
The world he intends to make would just become a Golden Order 2.0 and Miquella would just end up repeating the mistakes of Marika and that guilt would just crush him eternally.
@@koshilowell9531in the area where St. Trina resides there is a rune where he leaves behind his Love. Which in turn would mean that if he became a god he wouldn’t be a loving god. Everyone would love him but he wouldn’t love anyone. It would just be an order of control
I was too stubborn to summon Ansbach at first and that kind of ruined my experience with this fight
A shame really, as it’s so great lore-wise
yeah... I feel like there were some fights and questlines in this DLC (this one being the most notable) that felt almost tailor made to try to shake people out of the no summoning mindset and force them to engage with the mechanic (even if only for NPCs. personally I've always kind of understood the stigma against co-op summons but NPC summons have always felt like they add to the experience)
Hornsent's questline actually requires that you summon him for a successful attempt against Messmer in order to get one of the outcomes.
Absolute cinema
Where’s Moore??? wtf you only had to fight 4 of them???
Pretty sure Moore only shows up if you tell him to put the sadness behind him. If you tell him to stay sad forever he dies early
whats your chestpiece for this it looks great
I think that is Yura's chestpiece. the Ronin/Samurai who gets overtaken by the frenzied flame.
This fight is cancer, the 1v4 gank with heal gave me brain damage
Hahahahah 1v5 for me in ng+5 the fight is so toxic
1v5 for me, i never look any guides for quests and this is the reward i get for soloing all the other bosses, now i have to start all over again, but this time im gonna kill these bums right at the start so i dont have to get ganked again
I did all the quest lines so it's a 3v5 for me and it's still toxic AF. They have way too much health.
I'm trying to beat the DLC with no summons but this fight is absolute asscheeks.
I thought it was very fun with all quests unlocked. Unsung mimic tear makes it a fair fight and you can focus down the weaker enemies first to make the fight easier. But I can see how painful it is without the quest
I love the story behind this fight. But the fight it’s self…let’s just say it’s been 15 years since NPC’s were released in demon souls and in 2024 SOTET, the function identically and have never been great. From needs to rework how NPC’s fight if they want to use these battles in the future imo.
wow the map is huge
BRUH i guess i know where is the problem, i am doing 4x less dmg lmfao
Im the only one who spected freyja as an allie??, i mean, a true redmane will feel horrified if his general revives (like jerren and the redmane soldiers in the castle for example)
Jerren and the rest wanted him dead because he was a zombie. Killing him was mercy. She wants him alive again without the rot. Nothing implies that jerren doesnt want that too
Calling this a "boss" is actually demented
hey we dont know each other but i hope ur doing well and I wanna say that GOD still loves u and wants u to be with him all u must do is trust in Jesus and repent of ur sins. GOD loves u more than u can imagine. ☺️☺️☺️🎉🎉❤❤❤
Fromsoft knew how Gideon died mid dialogue so they disabled attacking while Leda was talking 😂
I saw her standing and got Gideon flashbacks. So I ran as fast as possible to smack her just to find out I couldn’t 😂
And the result is 10x better than Gideon. This is imo genuinely one of their best fight story and emotional wise, especially if you go out of your way to do their quests
Starcaller him. Never stood a chance
The blame is on the player's end. People who said that Gideon's fight was easy are the same people who skipped the dialogue and attacked him immediately.
Jori took his place, tho.
Them realizing it was the grace leading us on and not miquella was dope. And then them realizing that they could very well be fighting the next lord. Everything about this fight was cool. Say it’s 2nd nothing beats Igons dialogue for me
CURSE YOU, BAAAAYLE❗❗
I loved that realization was so nice to have it sink in for them that I was no friend of Miquella’s.
Mfs realized that this random tarnished is actually the main character 😭
Igon is Born Again Dragon Chad, paraplegic inspiration. Bro's legs were broken, and he crawled his way out of despair back to Mount Doom to get his on Dragon Satan. He encourages us talking us up like a dragon bro and gives us his finger knowing we will make it, and he actually hypes us up so much Bayle the dread is referred to as Bayle the dead.
WITH A HAIL OF HARPOOOONS!!! Best deliver I've ever heard from a VA. Igon is legendary.
"It was the Erdtree leading you all along."
Me, with Ranni's ring on my finger: "The Erdtree?"
I’d like to imagine their horror when they see the Tarnished drop his yee yee ass Great Katana and pulls out the DMGS as if he’s Ludwig and his HP bar pops up when they provoke him enough
to be fair all those ending do require for us to reach the erd tree
My crazy ass frenzied flamed burnt eyes staring at Leda:
@@KhangNguyen-ij4xh*_"(Chuckles) The Erdtree?_** No, dear Leda. That which guides me, **_is with me all along._** **_(Raises Dark Moon Greatsword high)._** The gift, **_from my ONE TRUE Love._** MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT."*
@@Jamushu Erdtree? Marika? No! The one who guides me is the great Dung Eater 💀
FOR THE DIGNITY OF MY LORD AND MASTER, MOHG🗣️🗣️🗣️
I STAND WITH BLADE ALOFT AND BLOOD AFIRE
My favourite knight for sure🔥🔥
Was not expecting Mohg to be free from the allegations justice for my lord
@@SpaceElvisInc mohg was indeed Miquellested
when Ansbach speaks, I sit my white ass down listen.
I love all of the dialogue from this.
Stuff like this makes me wish From was investing more into “direct” story in their games
All that ambient lore and item descriptions get boring after a while
Sekiro had a nice, quite direct story
Starting dialogue feels like a remixed words of SIR GIDEON OFNIR, THE ALL-KNOWING:
"I knew you would come. To stand before Elden Ring, to become Elden Lord..."
"I thought I'd see you. [...] For the birth of a new God and the coming of a Lord."
@@spicydong317For real. All that amazing story and world building lost behind cryptic item descriptions, which must be told by lore channels... it's a tragedy.
I like how mid fight she roasts thrioller, along with the music made this fight amazing
Everyone choosing sides was a fitting end for the crew
I adore Ansbach's dialogue here, he is probably my second favorite character in the dlc just because he feels like the lost nobility of Mohg back to take its vengence. An idea that maybe, just maybe, Mohg was not entirely a lunatic and was (perhaps slightly) more than the raving nightmare we saw as a boss.
If the fight extends a little you can hear this epic dialogue:
Leda: “I can’t fathom to understand your reasons, how has it come to this?”
Ansbach: “you and I, fighting, what a tragedy”.
Sir Ansbach is spitting facts 🗣️🗣️
Pretty sure that second lines from Moore
@@GaymerSunday21789 （that’s the joke)
@@sky-ow6rm sowwy 🥺
Also from Freyja to Ansbach there’s more dialogue between them if you haven’t killed her yet
Completing everyone's quest is basically mandatory for this fight. If you don't do that you won't get the full experience and the fight itself will be extremely tedious. But man is it worth it in the end
Truly a mistake 1v5 is not cool, this is not dark souls 2
@@theunknown7441 Someone didn't summon Thiollier and Ansbach
@@mingQWERTY ansbach basically stands in the center watching you get fucked until you move toward him, im pretty sure i diditn do thiolliers area yet.
Had to go with my gut canon for the first run. Killed most of my allies with Leda 😂. Working on maximizing damage 2 down at least without max blessings.
@@mingQWERTYand his mimic or the sanguine noble. It’s supposed to be a brawl of builds and stories, and yet people don’t seem to like this fight.
“Spear of the church, MAKE HASTE!”
Judicator argo sweep🗣️
The king's decree is no trifling matter 🗣️📢🔥🔥🔥🔥
At least Halflight was just one and you could actually spawnkill his two slaves.
This is the coolest lore fight in the history of fromsoft games hands down.
No it isn't, it's a fucking gank, all ganks are horrible
@@I_Vlad_Draculea_II said lore fight dunderhead.
@@I_Vlad_Draculea_I ganks if you dont do the quests and summon
@@symkoi i did the blood guys quest AND the red manes quest and she's still an enemy, I triple checked everything to make sure I didn't have to fight her
@@I_Vlad_Draculea_Iim not sure but didn’t she explicitly state that she is looking forward to meet you in battle? If you don’t kill her she is always gonna be there right?
my heart shattered when I had to fight Moore, since I did all the quest I had a great time with this fight because I had the summons.
Bro when I saw him I literally cried 😭
Sad forever???
@@Dominus564 @jacopovilla2028 the tears status effect is brutal messes up your vision 🤣
shouldve told the fatty to give up all hope
but he was pissing me off with all of these hefty rot pots tho😭
Freja's line about you being the righteous lord of the Erdtree makes for a very cool concept.
Technically - you're the boss in this fight. Leda has her squad to fight YOU and all the tricks and skills you bring.
This is so fucking cool GODDAMN. Ansbach's line as he appears is great.
Elden ring : civil war...was peak
this was like the airport fight lmao
The voice actings are so good.
“For the birth of a new God, and the coming of a Lord!”
This fight and the entire DLC was just peak fiction.
Never in my lifetime would I think Miyazaki would recreate the final mission of armored core for answer in a souls game but here we are.
We didn't commit genocide though so it's not really like that mission
100 million dead
the thumbnail look like y'all bout to throw some pokemon
You are challenged by Needle Knight Leda!
Leda sent out Cresselia!
Go! Zacian!
I wouldn’t mind a discussion on what Pokemon each character would use lol
This quest felt like an Armored core battle, everyone had their own dialogues.
Not gonna lie, almost cried, and had goosebump when doing this combat.
The music, the story, the voice acting, it was for me, truly, the culminating point of the DLC.
Crying is insane
@@Starkism ngl i take back what i said, i've been so dissapointed in the lame empty ending of the DLC that i'm disgusted of playing Elden ring anymore.
@@KateDerWolf believe it or not, it's par the course for from software DLCs. they always end fairly un-dramatically. because the "end" is the ending of the base game.
@@soulslasher7890 Others dlc got at least an NPC bringing closure to the quest with a monologue (Exemple : The painter, Artorias GF (forgot her name)
This time it's just lame... Given what happened, all the stories we got into, it would only had been justice to get an ending for it.
@@KateDerWolf yeah, i would consider those two dlcs very good endings by from standards. but then i look at something like ashes of ariandel or the brume tower dlc and i realize that more often than not, they usually go for the abrupt anticlimactic ending. they seem very fond of it.
This is literally just his band of the Hawk....lmao
GRIIIIFFFFIIIITHHHHH!!!
BAYYYYLE!!!!!!@@magiklam2991
MIIIIIQUELLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAA
BAAAAAAYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLEEEEE!
Not everything's the band of the hawk just bc its a couple of medieval dudes lmao. Ain't got a lot in common other than that
I was fucking tearing up when fighting Moore, his line: “You and I fighting. A tragedy.” Was so damn sad, after I helped him put sadness behind him, too.
The hardest part of this fight was trying to see the screen through my tears
I mean, to be fair, Leda and Hornsent were absolute murder happy shitters so I had no problem putting them down. Killing Dane and Freja was unfortunate but they lived for combat and ultimately this fight is what they wanted. Moore was just tragic tho
@@SteveDonev"Sad forever? "😢 -Moore
Bro when hornsent called me lord of marika my urges won i cosplayed godfrey and beat their asses amazing fight amazing dialogue gave me chills best dlc fight by far
This is better than the boss that follows.
Especially with Ansbach and Thiolier. This is so good.
I wish your allies gestured to you if they survive the fight. Insane that Ds2 had NPCs gesturing 10 years ago and not one character in Elden Ring does it
I've said it before I'll say it again, from soft's phantoms AI peaked in DS2
At least some enemy NPC's do gesture before they fight you, such as Juno and Alberich
It’s cause the ds2 devs tried more cool new stuff. I don’t like ds2 but I really respect it for doing things like that. Playing Ds2 is like going to a 3 star restaurant with a great chill vibe, and the other games are like a 5 star restaurant where the whole table will stare at you if you make a joke
Yeah NPCs in Ds2 were peak. Will never forget that damn Maldrom from the DLCs
Igon points one of his harpoons at bayle when you summon him
Never thought a gank fight would feel hype
The real final boss fight
I feel like a protagonist in a children's action cartoon having to fight his friend whose been brainwashed by the villain,these people have been brainwashed by Miquella clearly.
They are not brainwashed. Miquella's enchantment upon them lifts after the first few boss-fights, and they still follow him because they know his intentions are good and that he will make the world a better place
No loser
Except Anbach for lore reasons. Spoiler of course ha
Miquella brainwashing actually made Leda sane and reasonable, her first thought upon breaking the brainwashing was "I can kill all of these dudes"
@@berrie572
But they were brainwashed by him before,Miquella is a god,and the gods never have good intentions for mortals in souls games,even if the endpoint seems nice on the surface,if the road to get there requires them to toy with human lives,they do not care for us...
Finally a From Software npc boss fight that has some immediate personal weight. Like holy fucking Marika, it is just so cool.
I loved this. Very theatrical
Ummm look at the fight again with glasses
What a damn tragedy. Not ashamed to admit I ugly cried after this one.
Man. Frejya is the only one who’s quest I missed out on completing. Ansbach was gone (after I gave him the scroll) before I found Frejya.
Saber alter or lion king are always a hot, noble, charming women with flaws. A lot of flaws. ….
The music here is so melancholy. It felt so wrong fighting everyone.
I was a big fan of Moore until he threw that pot with scarlet rot
He had to go...
Gideon WISHED his fight was this amazing!
Gideon fight was way better at least he fights alone this is just a run of a mill spam gank
@theunknown7441 I'll give you the 1V1 was sick, but a collective of characters who all thought their goals aligned only to come crumbling down; that hit me harder narratively. Better than some dude creepin and stealin moves from bosses I had to kill lol!
Also the dialog was so really cool. I was so sad after seeing Moore lying on the floor. The whole fight felt so tragic
@@gandalfthestoned7523 "Sad, forever?"
@@bigdaddybison_2276yes "Sad forever“
People who say this boss fight was trash was just trying to unga their way through it. This is literally one of the best fights in the game. Super fun and emotional
Sorry but no. Gameplay wise this was just a gank pvp fight that is unbalanced. Just look at the fight in the video, everyone just bonks each other with no grace nor style. Also emotional? I guess, but still it's just some dialogues plastered over the fight. Sorry but this was a very mediocre fight, no matter how much you love the concept
@@mihaimercenarul7467 summon. Stop making shit harder for yourself. The 3v1 in fias quest was harder than this.
@@NovacainJayR yes summon, the fight is still a mess. Just a gank pvp fight that is either hard or easy af depending of you summon or not. This fight is an unbalanced mess. Also no, tje fia fight was easy af
@@mihaimercenarul7467 it's as difficult as you make it. That's entirely on you. Fia's champion fight is a 5v1 regardless and you can't summon at all.
@@NovacainJayR well both fights suck in execution. Yes this fight is trash, no matter if it's easy or hard. It's just a pvp gank fight. Look at the video here, everyone just bonks themselves with random pvp moves and looks like a mess. There is no choreography, no balance no strategy like when you fight an actual boss with implemented moves. No, it's just a gank pvp fight with some sad lines of dialogue in between. In concept it's good, but in execution this fight is trash
This was one of the most epic fights in the game; music, NPC dialogue, perfection
A pvp gankfight with some cheesy sad dialogue? This ks so mediocre
Probably my most favorite part in the whole DLC to be honest..
A boring pvp gank fight? Bad taste?
I think from everything that’s talked about from this fight, I think the most striking thing is the arena. Specifically how it just becomes ABSOLUTELY covered with EVERYONE’S blood, yours included during this fight
In a way, It truly felt like you were making an art piece with everyone here fighting for their ideals. And that EVERYONE left a piece of themselves there
The crazy part is this supports coop, you can go in with the 2 npcs and 2 friends making it a 5v5 shit was peak
3:12 "Now, my blade. Watch closely."
In fact, the boss here is tarnished, in fact they are a bunch of ragamuffins who are attacking LORD ELDEN
I also had to fight Moore since I did his quest line. I wonder just how many characters can show up against you
in total, it becomes a 3v5
Yea it's mich harder with Moore, if you don't kill him soon the other two jump in and it's a nightmare
Tarnished: All my friends are dead :(
Leda: I'm sorry for speaking to you as a compatriot when we stood before the withered arm.
Me: Heh, was this your first time in the position being betrayed by a compatriot, Leda? Then clearly, you have never earned a seat at the Roundtable Hold.
looking at her lore, it's indeed possible that it's her first time in the position as the betrayed.
it certainly wouldn't be her first time in the role of the traitor though. it seems like a paranoia-driven urge to stab all her allies in the back has been an issue for her since long before she started following Miquella (if anything Miquella's charm suppressed her worst traits for quite a while. she might just be the only one where the charm was a good thing)
I hate every ounce of this
You and I, fighting? A tragedy this is..... Sad......forever? 💔😢
Fighting them solo is like the worst gank you’ve ever seen x10. I’m trying to blender the first two before Leda and Kung Fu show up but the fat one has that damn shield and his pots will instantly proc rot, even if it’s an indirect hit. Thank goodness I couldn’t figure out Freyjas quest or it would be 5v1 instead of 4
This fight genuinly made me giddy with excitement. 2nd favorite fight in the dlc
Exactly. This fight is so boring. A boring pvp gank fight with some cheesy dialogue. So glsd you agree this is one of the worst executes fights. You are not so brainless, pully boy
this is one of the only fights you get complimented in aside from morgott talking crazy about flames, and killing malenia, its kinda nice, even if it all ends in death
SL 150, Scadutree level 0...
This fight fucking sucks to do
Dude I'm doing the exact same thing and played the whole game solo up till now but probably gonna summon at this point cause it feels like it's impossible by myself and even with just me and Ansbach lol
i've regretted not being able to finish ansbach and redmane freyja's questlines, its because i played the game completely blind and despite all of my exploration in the whole map i still managed to miss their questlines from the specimen storehouse
I love this fight more than final boss of this DLC .I hope they update this area to pvp area
"This battle could not be for fitting, for the birth of new god, and the coming of a lord"
The way she delivers this line feels so epic
Leda has immaculate fashion. I loved her
Gross
Who else let this battle last longer to enjoy all the dialogue
For me it was Leda, Moore, Dane vs Me & Ansbach. Didn't look up what I needed to do for Thiollier and Freyja so they didn't make it and I helped Leda kill Hornsent before he could reach Messmer.
Wild, should have let hornsent get his revenge at least
@@AngelCastro-mv5jp True but I didn't want to antagonise Leda and possibly the majority of the group right away
Yeah I also missed out on the Freyja questline, got ansbach in the right spot in that library area but he was gone after i progressed something (not sure what). So it was me ansbach and thiollier vs leda Moore and dane
I did the same. This boss fight was challenging to me because of that
May honestly be my favorite fight in the DLC.
Might not be the hardest but story, execution, music, voice acting, and just everything about it pushes it ahead of everyone
COUGHYKNOWIFYOUDIDALLTHESIDEQUESTSANDHAVEYOUROWNGANKSQUADTOOCOUGH
@@koshilowell9531 HOW DID YOU BEAT THEM
@@kimberlyfrye8116 Do all the quests which gives you 2 allies to help you with the gank squad
@@koshilowell9531 no, only hornsent, but he shows up almost 2 minutes after the battle starts
Yeah it was just me and Ansbach and it was ROUGH 😭 I caved for the first time in my 300 hours of Elden Ring and used mimic tear to win since winning the gank is largely just RNG, not skill… fighting Malenia for 70+ attempts was fine with me because whenever I failed, it was because I either mistimed a dodge or didn’t know the boss well enough. Whenever I died to this gank it was because the npc’s AI decided to heal or run me down as a group without giving me a chance to breathe.
Also as much as I love Moore I feel sad that I rejoiced whenever he died because holy shit those rot pots made the fight so much fucking harder than it had to be 😭
My game glitched or something and only three bodies appeared. Last boss also died before I even got into the arena
this is the best gank/npc fight they've ever made, its so emotional and fun and powerful, the music made me start rethinking my actions and it was truly a wonderful fight
And yet this fight is still awful. You are very positive and defensive of bad fights, you poor puppy
Freyja dying on her feet is so bada**.
She really lived up to her name.
The True Co-Op experience summed up in a bossfight. Truly a marvel this was.
Literally the coolest moment in the entire DLC
A boring pvp gank fight with cheesy dialogue? This was so lame
Thats actually epic .... The followers of mohg and st trina coming together to stop miquella
This fight is so beautiful and I’d argue even more climactic if you stand mostly alone against all your friends… but holy shit the DLC absolutely PUNISHES YOU if you don’t finish everyone’s questlines. I just had Ansbach and holy SHIT he was passive af so it was essentially me vs everyone.
(Also I want to clarify I was at 18 scadutree levels at this point)
After about 20 attempts and realizing my success was entirely dependent on rng (mainly, the npc ai choosing to heal or not, as well as which NPC Ansbach managed to aggro since he was so passive he never aggro’d more than one) I caved and used mimic tear for the first time in my 300 hours of Elden Ring. I won immediately and it wasn’t even close.
This is still an amazing fight purely because of the lore behind it and the emotion of it but holy SHIT it is hands down the worst designed fight in all of Elden Ring. If you only have Ansbach with you or are by yourself you are COOKED. Freyja’s fun to fight (though her lion claw CAN one-shot), Hornsent is disgusting and horrible and an actual plague-infested rat (those orbs he summons one-shot at 1850 hp and are hard to avoid if Hornsent and Freyja are running you down), Moore would be fine if it weren’t for those DAMN ROT POTS that cover 5 square kilometers (and good luck using a bolus or using flame cleanse me when Leda and Dane are running you down), Dane is also a miserable rat (not as much as Hornsent ofc) because he makes it very apparent that NPC’s have NO stamina (he’s easy to kill by himself but the issue is if you ever need to heal you can’t, he is ALWAYS sprinting at you so if you let him get close you CANNOT get him out of your face since YOU can’t run indefinitely but HE can- combine that with his quick attacks as well as the other npcs running you down and Dane becomes the guy who finishes you off most of the time), and lastly Leda… her Ash of War does massive damage if it hits but it’s easy to dodge- the issue is similar to Dane- she is always running you down and it’s really hard to recover since she and Dane are always on your ass.
This is exactly how it played out for me. The 2 vs 5 was just awfull so i used the mimic the first time in that run. Its only on level 4 but already made the fight a joke
No mercy, grind the "age of compassion" into dust.
This fight hurts me.
More then any other game.
These people were your allies. Warriors who fought by side against bosses that motivate and feel like a real team when you summon them.
Making me BELIEVE that miquella was worth fighting for and helping them.
Then you find out who miquella truly was and what he really did to them.
All because they were charmed and manipulated into doing miquellas bidding.
When freed, they were so deep gone and believed he was right they still took his side.
Miquellas influence and ambition on them, completely made them enemies to us. And having to make once allies turn enemies hurts because you know that deep down, they are victims.
I know that Elden Ring makes it clear no matter what you do, everyone and anyone will turn on you in this game or will die because you cant stop them.
But those that stay by your side, those that fight with you, those that motivate, inspire and make you feel strong just being there, those are real comrades in the game.
"The Erdtree was leading you all along"
(I sided with Ranni)
Me: .... Sure, you think that as I spill your guts.
@@BloodyArchangelusno she isn't
So I won't get to do this cause I missed one step. Cool. Awesome. Honestly, I am seeking places to lay my salt down. XD
Nah this fight was honestly bullshit. Took me more tries than the actual bosses. They gang up on you and continously chase after you with infinite stamina and gank you with bullshit moves that almost one shot.
@EfecanYSL Yeah, this is a cinematic fight but they should cut the tongues out of the guys who keep saying "we should do player npc gank fight again". Stick to good boss design like the fire giant and radagon.
@EfecanYSL I never use summons, but no matter how fast I kill one npc, it always becomes 3 vs 1. This is when they gonna have to deal with two of me lol.
@@co2_os it isn't a boss so feel free to use summons. This fight is obviously built around summons to get the full cinematic experiance
@@IREQUIREFLESH ain’t no way you said Fire Giant is good boss design
damn..literal chills... Marika's followers versus Miquella's followers
Neither of the player's allies in this fight are followers of Marika. Ansbach fights to avenge Mohg's defilement and Thiollier fights to fulfill St. Trina's wishes.
@@unbearable505 owh thanks for the correction
I don't know how we went from Halflight to this. This may honestly be my favourite DLC Boss. Never had so much emotions in a single fight and I can say that I replayed the DLC and completed all Questlines just for this fight to be perfect.
Without the tree upgrades this is easily the hardest fight in the game, every single NPC has like 20k hp and a 15k healing flask
I only faught Leda, hornsent, and Dane. Not freyja or Moore. Does anyone know why?
I think you have to complete all the quests or progress them to this point for them to show up. For some reason I have a Mohgwyn Dynasty guy there offering to help but idk what that’s about
Alright, tysm!
We were the boss fight all along.
Great dlc but fuck these bosses poise like my god…
What I would give to experience this again for the first time. Top 5 moments in all fromsoft games 😭
How people could like this shitshow of a gank fest is beyond me, seriously if any other souslike did the exact same thing they'd be laughed at, ER does it and somehow it's "incredible".
Why do people think this fight is good? I genuinely consider it one of the worst encounters FromSoftware has ever created. The gank squad in DS2's first DLC is better than this mistake.
1. Hornsent's Barin does unreasonable damage and can possibly one-shot
2. Moore's Rot Pots have too big of a AoE where I get rotted when i don't see a cloud for and it doesn't directly hit me
3. It's too easy to get in a situation where you need to heal but the two NPCs chasing you won't go after your allies and only focus on you.
a. Yes i know that you need to get them to take damage from them for their aggro to shift, the problem is that this requires going into danger when you're likely one-hit away from death. And going into the middle of a fight is a sure-fire way to get killed.
However what ruined this fight for me was a failed attempt that i almost won where Asnbash killed the last one aside from the insufferable b**ch herself and would break aggro from me running away when one hit would kill me and go after the one acticely trying to kill her and not the one fleeing trying not to die.
I like the idea of this fight, but the execution is so bad that removing it would make the DLC much better. Shame that such an incredible soundtrack was wasted on this shit.