@@rewriting-historyrealism:6 it was very realistic except how napoleon would have won at Waterloo other than that it would be a 10,and that's why I like your channel semi realistic scenarios that are fun and focus on storytelling instead of just continueing our timeline but Yugoslavia owned Bulgaria before collapse
Id say this video was a 5ish like many of your videos, though i personally think maybe it could of just been "what if napoleon the third never came to power" but still love your videos man!
It'd be cool, but even if he didnt lose a single man, he wouldnt be able to defend the spanish, german, and italian front, as he wouldnt be everywhere at the same time, plus the british navy would keep their blockade and maybe naval invade brittany, to make the war faster and even occupy mainland french lands
Great video! I like how you get straight to the alternate history, unlike other creators. I’m not going to do the realism thing, cuz I don’t know the specific stuff. Once again, great work!
I think this scenario started off pretty realistic (7 - 8), but then became kinda unrealistic by the end (4 - 5). examples of how unrealistic the numbers mean could also be good, because a "6" could mean a different amount of realism from person to person. For example if a 1 is Aliens landing in 1913 and a 10 is Franz Ferdinand surviving assassination, what would a 5 be?
Isn’t odd that the main reason Italy unified when it did was mostly because of foreign help from napoleon the third and Bismarck and even in those wars were mostly carried against the Austrians which are usually them selves being carried
For Napoleon to win Waterloo, he was going to need to organise his army and have a more effective chief of staff to relay orders and properly execute them with efficiency. Worse for Napoleon was the fact France had already be drained from the previous coalition wars, and this seventh one would leave him with hardly any resources left to try and fight for France with. For a victory at Waterloo to be possible, Napoleon would need some serious luck on his side, plus the talents of his Marshall Louis-Alexandre Berthier, who had served as his chief of Staff since as far back as his Italian Campaign and served with him until Napoleon's abdication in 1814. Now he alone wouldn't ensure Napoleon wins, but his part would allow for a more effective Grande Armee to face off against Wellington and likely prevent Marshall Grouchy from being unable to come to Napoleon's aide as what had happened in the OTL. Napoleon would likely have captured Brussels and forced Britain and Prussia to withdraw and resemble their forces, whilst Napoleon's remaining Marshalls would defend France's Frontiers. A victory might boost moral and keep Napoleon on the throne for a couple more weeks or months, but I think the man himself had lost his spark by the time of Waterloo. Exhausted from so many years of war, loss of friends and allies who had died or turned their back on him, the death of his wife Josephine, and stress of defending France this second time would leave the man in a poor state to prosecute this new war.
The communist France idea is fun but Prussia helped suppress the Paris Commune, and wouldn't support them. However, I do believe that fun overlords over realism in alternate history (unless it's beyond stupid. The only time I am okay with beyond stupid is when it's embraced, like in the Monarco video)
@ing-history First take: The shifts in the European balance of power that prompts the First World War might de-necessitate having a conflict in 1914, as (assuming everything above plays out as suggested) Prussia would face a weaker French rival while Italy is unable to change the balance of power much thanks to its non-existence. If there were a war around that time, many of the underpinning issues would not be present, thus potentially making a war like the one we know impossible.
Love your work man! Kee it up! Suggestion: What if Napoleon was more pragmatic and avoided crucial mistakes (Made his brother joseph stay in naples, not invade spain but instead maintaining Carlos IV on the throne, don't create warsaw, plus playing nicer with austria while still neutering prussia)
if Napoleon won realistically he'd need many more big victories so personally dunno why its so guaranteed to people that theyd win it all if they won there, however guessing from the videos picture you agree to this but believe theyd become communist due to this I dunno about that either, I believe the victory at waterloo would lead to Napoleon getting a peace and then going to war again and again until he actually loses or just getting victories until he dies.
Why people saying Napoleon winning at Waterloo is unrealistic is beyond me. I can say it was more likely to him to win at Waterloo than lose.There where many events and decision that could turn battle into a Napoleon victory if it didn't rained before the battle if, Prussians where late if Grouchy came to support if Napoleon decided to attack without waiting artillery support if more of Napoleon's Marshal's joined him. also I gave it 7.5/10 on realism
Realism 7 not bad. I actually liked the scenario a lot. I don't think that everything necessarily plays out like this just because of the point of divergence. But the scenario as a whole was actually fairly likely
I have been for half a year (wow time flies quick) asking you to make a lithuanian video, it would be very epic to do that at 10k subs pd: realism 7, i also like the idea of a communist france
How about if Napoleon captured the Russian army at Borodino by pursuing them instead of leaving them be by forbidding his cavalry to finish them, and then march to Saint Petersburg without any opposition.
Realism:4 because it's absurd that Italy doesn't unite because Napoleon III doesn't take power, historically his help was useful, but even without him, Italy would probably have united thanks to the Roman Republic, which France would not have repressed in this timeline
Realism 2 i don't think france would become communist but more likely ultranasionalist because of how radicalized the population would have been with the ineffective government ,poor economic situation and living standards and the lost of a war with all the meaningless death would have made them look back at napoleon and all his achievements causing them to look for a relative to napoleon to give him the throne in hope for a better life
Realism is about 4. I highly doubt that the great powers would ban a Bonaparte leader or actually enforce the rule, however I agree with a commune of France after the Franco Prussian war
More French soldiers would have died in other battles. Plus other soldiers from other nations would have died . Unfortunately He was very good at filling up cemeteries.
Realism 3/10, but it’s not really your fault, considering all the elections(as you said). Also napoleon III might just not care and install himself on the throne, the great powers might not interfere if napoleon proves to them he is harmless during his presidency
I expected you to talk about how napoleon would run France if he won and somehow agreed to a ceasefire with the coalition, not a video about the effects of napoleon 3 not being in power because napoleon 1 was instead. Should have titled the video "What if napoleon 3 never came to power?" This is not a very realistic idea anyway since it wasn't possible for napoleon to win the war even if he'd won at waterloo.
Realism: 5; the idea that Napoleon Bonaparte would not come to power is spot-on, but the implications through the 1850s seem off by virtue that had there not been a Crimean War, the Austrians would have a lot more options going forward thanks to keeping their alliances and not overstraining their capabilities. This would include possibly stymieing Prussian unification plans, which would insure no conflict for German unification pulling in the French, which would undercut the appeal of the Commune. One thing I'm surprised wasn't considered would be that without French intervention in Mexico, an unstable country along the border with Texas during the American Civil War would change how that conflict would unfold. Off the top of the head, the naval strategy for the Union would have to be re-thought now that the Confederacy could use Mexican ports for supply centers, which leads to quite a few variations on how that war would be resolved...
what if the Kingdom of the two sicellys United italy What if the Greek revolution caused the destruction downfall of the ottoman empire Balkan empire What if king Charles 10 of France kept his throne What if the khevate of Egypte won the war against the Ottomans for greater Syria
I don't think you need to worry too much about realism because at the end of the day anything that did not happen in our timeline is unrealistic. As long as its a fun scenario I don't care.
Realism about 2-3 Even if Napoleon 3 lost that election he would have won the next one, you said it, the republicans were very divided, that is why he was able to win, the people got tired of the political stalemate Also the Crimean war would absolutely happened, even if Napo 3.0 where to have died years earlier, is still in Frances and England big interest to stop Russia from controlling the Ottomans, and even if France didn’t joined (wich is a really big stretch) England would had declared war
Realism 2/10. Many things don't make sense. It doesn't make much sense that countries add a clause about invading France to their constitutions, as that was akways an option. Makes some sense for France to do so, but just because it says so in the constitution doesn't mean much. Constituions always require interpretation and so can become diametrically opposed to their original intent. An example of a potential anti-Bonaparte clause goes as follows: "no man of the line of Bonaparte, related to the former French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, may occupy any government office within the nation of France." A way to get around this? Napoleon the third changes his last name to be something slightly different (Bonepart, perhaps) and a legal system in agreement with him rules that he is not of the line of Boneparte because of his different name, and the fact that he is not directly in the line of Napoleon but is instead his nephew. He can then become president because of this. There is also the question about what would happen to Lucien Murat, the nephew of Napoleon through his sister Caroline, who historically gained a seat in the National Assembly in April of 1848. There were others as well, but would he be excluded, he who is not even a Bonaparte? Beyond this point of clarification, just because a constitution says something doesn't mean it will get enforced. There has to be will to do so. Napoleon the third was successful because of his ability to organise. Cavaignac failed because he was unable to organise as effectively. A way to get a similar outcome to this, a severely weakened France with different politics, would be for Napoleon the third to launch a military coup, but because of the ban on Napoleons more of the military sides against him and it leads to a civil war. With France weakened by internal conflict, so soon after the revolution, they would be increasingly isolated from foreign powers who have more of a free hand to consolidate their own positions without French involvement. An alternative is to have Napoleon move to Paris earlier so that he is present during the June days revolution and is forced to weigh in and have a definite position rather than being vague and allowing everyone to think he was on their side. Perhaps he is carried away by the enthusiasm of his supporters, mainly on the left, and participates himself. In either case, his reputation is tarnished which would allow general Cavaignac to be more successful in cajoling the Party of Order, who would give their support to the general. Cavaignac can use the justification for his opposition to Napoleon to be that France had sworn to never again be beholden to a Bonaparte. If Napoleon seems to be winning regardless, Cavaignac could possibly conduct a coup against Napoleon, an action he was urged to do to preserve the republic but he was unwilling to as he wished to preserve the peaceful transition of power. Perhaps with Napoleon's reputation tarnished and the constitution being flagrantly violated through his participation alone, the general could be convinced that a coup was in the best interests of the French Republic.
3/10 not a bad video at all but ignoring the implausibility of Napoleon winning, the Paris Commune itself would never remain and quickly be ousted by Germany. Russia only managed to remain because they were distant and still fought a huge civil war. If a communist France existed Britain Germany and Austria would quickly put a stop to such a threat
@@rewriting-history hey, it'd be interesting to see an unrealistic scenario, like what if napoleon not only won at waterloo, but defeated the entire coalition as well
The war would have likely still been lost but he would have gone out with a victory.
What happens after the war is more important, you will have to wait and see!
@@rewriting-history Will do
@@rewriting-historybro..... we NEED a sequel to this
@@rewriting-historyrealism:6 it was very realistic except how napoleon would have won at Waterloo other than that it would be a 10,and that's why I like your channel semi realistic scenarios that are fun and focus on storytelling instead of just continueing our timeline but Yugoslavia owned Bulgaria before collapse
the Piedmontese-French border is the Vichy-Iitalian ww2 border, which is different from how the border looked in actuality
IDK how you notice these stuff, I will look at at and fix it for future videos!
I knew it looked funky!
Id say this video was a 5ish like many of your videos, though i personally think maybe it could of just been "what if napoleon the third never came to power" but still love your videos man!
It'd be cool, but even if he didnt lose a single man, he wouldnt be able to defend the spanish, german, and italian front, as he wouldnt be everywhere at the same time, plus the british navy would keep their blockade and maybe naval invade brittany, to make the war faster and even occupy mainland french lands
Great video! I like how you get straight to the alternate history, unlike other creators. I’m not going to do the realism thing, cuz I don’t know the specific stuff. Once again, great work!
I think this scenario started off pretty realistic (7 - 8), but then became kinda unrealistic by the end (4 - 5).
examples of how unrealistic the numbers mean could also be good, because a "6" could mean a different amount of realism from person to person.
For example if a 1 is Aliens landing in 1913 and a 10 is Franz Ferdinand surviving assassination, what would a 5 be?
I agree and 5 is really hard to guess. I would say that 5 is my average realism of the video
Well, you stopped while it git really interesting. Would have love to see an alternate WW1
Isn’t odd that the main reason Italy unified when it did was mostly because of foreign help from napoleon the third and Bismarck and even in those wars were mostly carried against the Austrians which are usually them selves being carried
Oh my God! This ending is even worse than I thought…
And in my next video is even wilder!
Bro by 2:00 he went unhinged on England and Bulgaria
I find it amazing how you have all these coins
For Napoleon to win Waterloo, he was going to need to organise his army and have a more effective chief of staff to relay orders and properly execute them with efficiency. Worse for Napoleon was the fact France had already be drained from the previous coalition wars, and this seventh one would leave him with hardly any resources left to try and fight for France with.
For a victory at Waterloo to be possible, Napoleon would need some serious luck on his side, plus the talents of his Marshall Louis-Alexandre Berthier, who had served as his chief of Staff since as far back as his Italian Campaign and served with him until Napoleon's abdication in 1814.
Now he alone wouldn't ensure Napoleon wins, but his part would allow for a more effective Grande Armee to face off against Wellington and likely prevent Marshall Grouchy from being unable to come to Napoleon's aide as what had happened in the OTL.
Napoleon would likely have captured Brussels and forced Britain and Prussia to withdraw and resemble their forces, whilst Napoleon's remaining Marshalls would defend France's Frontiers. A victory might boost moral and keep Napoleon on the throne for a couple more weeks or months, but I think the man himself had lost his spark by the time of Waterloo. Exhausted from so many years of war, loss of friends and allies who had died or turned their back on him, the death of his wife Josephine, and stress of defending France this second time would leave the man in a poor state to prosecute this new war.
The communist France idea is fun but Prussia helped suppress the Paris Commune, and wouldn't support them. However, I do believe that fun overlords over realism in alternate history (unless it's beyond stupid. The only time I am okay with beyond stupid is when it's embraced, like in the Monarco video)
I kinda wonder how this would change the cold war if it even happens in the 1st place
also realism I think it would be 4 cuz I think it's very unlikely
For that we need to discuss both world wars, it's quite interesting on how this would turn out
@ing-history First take: The shifts in the European balance of power that prompts the First World War might de-necessitate having a conflict in 1914, as (assuming everything above plays out as suggested) Prussia would face a weaker French rival while Italy is unable to change the balance of power much thanks to its non-existence. If there were a war around that time, many of the underpinning issues would not be present, thus potentially making a war like the one we know impossible.
An upload when I’m out of school less goo I’ll try to Watch it if I can
Love your work man! Kee it up! Suggestion: What if Napoleon was more pragmatic and avoided crucial mistakes (Made his brother joseph stay in naples, not invade spain but instead maintaining Carlos IV on the throne, don't create warsaw, plus playing nicer with austria while still neutering prussia)
Nice video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I'd say realism is at like 5.5
That's good, so slightly above average
if Napoleon won realistically he'd need many more big victories so personally dunno why its so guaranteed to people that theyd win it all if they won there, however guessing from the videos picture you agree to this but believe theyd become communist due to this
I dunno about that either, I believe the victory at waterloo would lead to Napoleon getting a peace and then going to war again and again until he actually loses or just getting victories until he dies.
really cool video.
Thanks for the visit! Really appreciate that!
Why people saying Napoleon winning at Waterloo is unrealistic is beyond me. I can say it was more likely to him to win at Waterloo than lose.There where many events and decision that could turn battle into a Napoleon victory if it didn't rained before the battle if, Prussians where late if Grouchy came to support if Napoleon decided to attack without waiting artillery support if more of Napoleon's Marshal's joined him. also I gave it 7.5/10 on realism
Day 5 of asking you to do "What if Skanderberg's crusade succeseded"
Realism 7 not bad. I actually liked the scenario a lot. I don't think that everything necessarily plays out like this just because of the point of divergence. But the scenario as a whole was actually fairly likely
Loved the butterfly event
I appreciate that, I took the video the distance and made it more interesting
He would most likely still loose the war.
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Oh yeah, but what happens after that is the meat of the video!
@@rewriting-historymeat???🤨🤨🤨
@@The-tank-enginethe meat is the best part of Rewriting History videos
I have been for half a year (wow time flies quick) asking you to make a lithuanian video, it would be very epic to do that at 10k subs
pd: realism 7, i also like the idea of a communist france
What if Napoleon lost the battle of Waterloo?
Canon ending 😂😂😂
Hmmm 🤔
i would love to see a "what if the battle of quebec (December 31, 1775) was an american victory"
How about if Napoleon captured the Russian army at Borodino by pursuing them instead of leaving them be by forbidding his cavalry to finish them, and then march to Saint Petersburg without any opposition.
Video idea: what if the Franco-Prussian war became a major conflict resulting in Prussia and Italy fighting against most of the great European powers.
Realism:4 because it's absurd that Italy doesn't unite because Napoleon III doesn't take power, historically his help was useful, but even without him, Italy would probably have united thanks to the Roman Republic, which France would not have repressed in this timeline
Realism 2 i don't think france would become communist but more likely ultranasionalist because of how radicalized the population would have been with the ineffective government ,poor economic situation and living standards and the lost of a war with all the meaningless death would have made them look back at napoleon and all his achievements causing them to look for a relative to napoleon to give him the throne in hope for a better life
communism was a very popular ideology in france at the time (and to an extent still is today) so this is realistic
Realism is about 4. I highly doubt that the great powers would ban a Bonaparte leader or actually enforce the rule, however I agree with a commune of France after the Franco Prussian war
Can you do "What if France Became Communist"?
You should make more unrealistic scenarios
Can you do What if Napoleon didn´t create Code civil?
More French soldiers would have died in other battles. Plus other soldiers from other nations would have died . Unfortunately He was very good at filling up
cemeteries.
I’m off today since an incident where I can’t move a hand
But I still have the other hand to comment on!
You cannot convince me that living in Bulgaria is worse than living in knifeacidistan formerly known as London.
London and Bulgaria are the same population, but London is more developed than Bulgaria
@rewriting-history and bulgaria has a lower crime rate, more beautiful landscape and doesn't have the troglodytes we call British "women."
Realism 3/10, but it’s not really your fault, considering all the elections(as you said). Also napoleon III might just not care and install himself on the throne, the great powers might not interfere if napoleon proves to them he is harmless during his presidency
I expected you to talk about how napoleon would run France if he won and somehow agreed to a ceasefire with the coalition, not a video about the effects of napoleon 3 not being in power because napoleon 1 was instead. Should have titled the video "What if napoleon 3 never came to power?" This is not a very realistic idea anyway since it wasn't possible for napoleon to win the war even if he'd won at waterloo.
Realism: 5; the idea that Napoleon Bonaparte would not come to power is spot-on, but the implications through the 1850s seem off by virtue that had there not been a Crimean War, the Austrians would have a lot more options going forward thanks to keeping their alliances and not overstraining their capabilities. This would include possibly stymieing Prussian unification plans, which would insure no conflict for German unification pulling in the French, which would undercut the appeal of the Commune.
One thing I'm surprised wasn't considered would be that without French intervention in Mexico, an unstable country along the border with Texas during the American Civil War would change how that conflict would unfold. Off the top of the head, the naval strategy for the Union would have to be re-thought now that the Confederacy could use Mexican ports for supply centers, which leads to quite a few variations on how that war would be resolved...
3, I only think this because if Napoleon won at waterloo than he might have been able to stay in power. LOVE your videos
He did win! Anglo-Saxons cheated him out of victory
If Napoleon won Waterloo, France could win the War of the 7th Coalition
realism 5.5
if I can use fractions but if not then a 5
what if crassus conquered persia and the civil war went 3 ways
Can you do a scenario about napoleon iii?
My next video should be about him winning in mexico
@@rewriting-history Nice! Can't wait for that video to drop
Imagine if the video was 2 seconds long
The victory against the British side and the Prussian side in the battle is guaranteed, he almost won the battle OT
Realism 4, but fun video
Glad you still had fun!
Realism for me is probably like a 6 or 7
That joke 1:20 got me
There we go, I'm a genius!
A video how videoing with my comment so commenting for the algorithm to be Algorithmic
algorithm do be agorithmic
what if the Kingdom of the two sicellys United italy
What if the Greek revolution caused the destruction downfall of the ottoman empire Balkan empire
What if king Charles 10 of France kept his throne
What if the khevate of Egypte won the war against the Ottomans for greater Syria
What if South America united after the napoleonic wars
Do you have all the coins of the world, lol
I like to think that I do, yeah :D
I don't think you need to worry too much about realism because at the end of the day anything that did not happen in our timeline is unrealistic. As long as its a fun scenario I don't care.
Realism about 2-3
Even if Napoleon 3 lost that election he would have won the next one, you said it, the republicans were very divided, that is why he was able to win, the people got tired of the political stalemate
Also the Crimean war would absolutely happened, even if Napo 3.0 where to have died years earlier, is still in Frances and England big interest to stop Russia from controlling the Ottomans, and even if France didn’t joined (wich is a really big stretch) England would had declared war
Please play sabaton as the background music :)
and i would get a copyright strike, not earning anything from the hard work i put in the video
@@rewriting-history Fair point, Perhaps get some new funky music instead of sabaton. Great video as well keep it up!
Realism: 6/10
Oh nice, so it's above average!
Realism: 3/10 it was very entertaining, though.
What are your favorite coins that you have?
I have all bulgarian coins so I would say the 5 leva from 1884, as it's really expensive
@@rewriting-history that’s a month’s rent in one coin
What if napoleon helped the USA win the qar of 1812.
Realisim meter 6.5
That's a good above average score
Please do one for 9:40
1:26 you mean second?
I would love to write something and send it to you
7 realistic?
Realism: 4.5
epic
You need to wait and see what I came up with!
Realism: 10/10
5/10
So it's average in terms of realism?
@@rewriting-history yes
It would be napoleon II after napoleon I that would probably be the biggest change
cool
hope you liked it!
Realism 5 - 6
Realism: 6
Realism 2/10.
Many things don't make sense.
It doesn't make much sense that countries add a clause about invading France to their constitutions, as that was akways an option. Makes some sense for France to do so, but just because it says so in the constitution doesn't mean much. Constituions always require interpretation and so can become diametrically opposed to their original intent.
An example of a potential anti-Bonaparte clause goes as follows: "no man of the line of Bonaparte, related to the former French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, may occupy any government office within the nation of France."
A way to get around this? Napoleon the third changes his last name to be something slightly different (Bonepart, perhaps) and a legal system in agreement with him rules that he is not of the line of Boneparte because of his different name, and the fact that he is not directly in the line of Napoleon but is instead his nephew. He can then become president because of this. There is also the question about what would happen to Lucien Murat, the nephew of Napoleon through his sister Caroline, who historically gained a seat in the National Assembly in April of 1848.
There were others as well, but would he be excluded, he who is not even a Bonaparte?
Beyond this point of clarification, just because a constitution says something doesn't mean it will get enforced. There has to be will to do so.
Napoleon the third was successful because of his ability to organise. Cavaignac failed because he was unable to organise as effectively. A way to get a similar outcome to this, a severely weakened France with different politics, would be for Napoleon the third to launch a military coup, but because of the ban on Napoleons more of the military sides against him and it leads to a civil war. With France weakened by internal conflict, so soon after the revolution, they would be increasingly isolated from foreign powers who have more of a free hand to consolidate their own positions without French involvement.
An alternative is to have Napoleon move to Paris earlier so that he is present during the June days revolution and is forced to weigh in and have a definite position rather than being vague and allowing everyone to think he was on their side. Perhaps he is carried away by the enthusiasm of his supporters, mainly on the left, and participates himself. In either case, his reputation is tarnished which would allow general Cavaignac to be more successful in cajoling the Party of Order, who would give their support to the general. Cavaignac can use the justification for his opposition to Napoleon to be that France had sworn to never again be beholden to a Bonaparte. If Napoleon seems to be winning regardless, Cavaignac could possibly conduct a coup against Napoleon, an action he was urged to do to preserve the republic but he was unwilling to as he wished to preserve the peaceful transition of power. Perhaps with Napoleon's reputation tarnished and the constitution being flagrantly violated through his participation alone, the general could be convinced that a coup was in the best interests of the French Republic.
Realism - 6
Realism: 4
3/10 not a bad video at all but ignoring the implausibility of Napoleon winning, the Paris Commune itself would never remain and quickly be ousted by Germany. Russia only managed to remain because they were distant and still fought a huge civil war. If a communist France existed Britain Germany and Austria would quickly put a stop to such a threat
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Realism: 6-10
Realism 4
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5/10 realism
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Realism 7
Realism 6
I like that!
Im sorry, but there is no way he wins that war. There were a million men being thrown at him. He'd have to fight them again and again,
Realistic 1
Sad
@@rewriting-history hey, it'd be interesting to see an unrealistic scenario, like what if napoleon not only won at waterloo, but defeated the entire coalition as well
I hate napoleon iii; no body is going to change my mind.
well you should love this video, as he didn't rule france
@@rewriting-history I did.
I win waterloo
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Realisim 7
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